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 kodos wrote:

it is basically only Warmaster that uses 40mm wide for infantry and 20mm wide for cavalry and that is technically not a 10mm game

The first paragraph of the first page of the Warmaster rules from the original Warmaster Rulebook would rather beg to differ.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Spoiler:

Damned outrider sprue layout done

We've had to do a few parts fixes on the Beastmen and the Beasts in order to get them right for plastic which has caused a slight delay of a couple of weeks on those sprues. I hope to have the layouts for those within the next week.

Is part #19 a helmet plume?

I think so (probably for a leader model), there are 3 'normal' plumes (17 & 2x18)

Greenfield wrote:

 kodos wrote:

it is basically only Warmaster that uses 40mm wide for infantry and 20mm wide for cavalry and that is technically not a 10mm game

The first paragraph of the first page of the Warmaster rules from the original Warmaster Rulebook would rather beg to differ.

yeah, mentioning 10mm total model size, while usually, and the WGA models the "scale" means base to eye making the models 12mm in total which means in that context Warmaster is technically not a 10mm game

 kodos wrote:

Greenfield wrote:

 kodos wrote:

it is basically only Warmaster that uses 40mm wide for infantry and 20mm wide for cavalry and that is technically not a 10mm game

The first paragraph of the first page of the Warmaster rules from the original Warmaster Rulebook would rather beg to differ.

yeah, mentioning 10mm total model size, while usually, and the WGA models the "scale" means base to eye making the models 12mm in total which means in that context Warmaster is technically not a 10mm game

It doesn't say anything about "total model size" – it says "approximately 10mm high" because, er, they're 10mm models, at least as close in size and scale to Wargames Atlantic as any other range described as 10mm. I have both on my painting table at the moment; I'd take a photo if I thought this was a good faith argument rather than just digging in on a meaningless and inaccurate distinction.

I don't have the new WGA models, but some of the original Warmaster metals and they are smaller than what you get when buying the "standard" 10mm fantasy ones you get as 3D prints or from other companies
and as WGA ones measure on their HP 10mm to the eye with 11,5-12 total size they would be also a bit larger than the ones I have

 kodos wrote:
I don't have the new WGA models, but some of the original Warmaster metals and they are smaller than what you get when buying the "standard" 10mm fantasy ones you get as 3D prints or from other companies
and as WGA ones measure on their HP 10mm to the eye with 11,5-12 total size they would be also a bit larger than the ones I have

Sure, there’s some variation within the Warmaster range – just as there is within and between pretty much any range of miniatures, but it’s a 10mm range; that’s the appropriate label and people are just pointing out that 10mm Warmaster models based on 40mm x 20mm bases has been popular with people in the past, and might be a good fit for other 10mm ranges, like Wargames Atlantic’s. I agree.

That is the point, Warmaster isn't the industry standard (there are other sizes for other games) and making a new game the focus should be on making a good new game and not to be compatible with a niche OOP from the past because some people want to use their old stuff in the new game without changing something so they can fall back to it if GW rerelease it

Which is funny because if GW rerelease a game and change base sizes everyone follows, but if someone else makes their own game they must follow legacy basing for reasons

40mm wide is the industry standard for smallscale multibase tho even if Warmaster didn't exist, and WGA probably still want to sell minis to people who don't pick up their rules.

specially as the WGA boxes come without bases anyway so people who pick them up for other games don't really care what base size is used for that game if they don't want to play it

 kodos wrote:
specially as the WGA boxes come without bases anyway so people who pick them up for other games don't really care what base size is used for that game if they don't want to play it

Wargames Atlantic themselves have already shown off 40mm x 20mm bases. https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/bases-galore

Put the models on whatever bases you like; all others are saying is that 10mm models look good on 40mm x 20mm bases, and Wargames Atlantic seem to agree.

We have gone one better with 40mm x 20mm (although those will not be the only bases in the game) by making Dual Use versions. One side is textured and basically flat like a typical base while the other has an inset area that will accommodate puddle bases. When you fill with pva or whatever other basing material the figures' feet will be flush to the edge of the 2mm tall base:




These will be available separately later this year and then included with the frames for the individual faction boxes.

I'm very confused why the slot plugs have magnet holes

This is all well and good, but what about the actually important things? Like, "When can I order a box of Valkyr" and "When are the Levvy coming?"

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm very confused why the slot plugs have magnet holes

Casualty removal?

Also storage using magnets.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm very confused why the slot plugs have magnet holes

Because those are not slot plugs. They're also bases.

 kodos wrote:
what industry standard are we talking here?

most games either use units size with the bases being up to personal preference, are those I know that have base size don't use 40mm

it is basically only Warmaster that uses 40mm wide for infantry and 20mm wide for cavalry and that is technically not a 10mm game

DBA standard which many of the evolutions of DBA also use.

Wargames Atlantic put this on their Facebook page… and have responded to questions with pics of nosferatu…so looks like plastic vampires are coming.

If they do look like nosferatu then I will use them as ghouls in pathfinder.

I wonder how large or small they'll be. Will they be teeny vampires that only a Frostgrave adventurer could fear?

And if they're truly Nosferatu-esque, what would be their ideal scale anyway? Do people generally prefer their Nosferatus tall and gaunt, or short and hunched?

Inquiring minds want to know!

That clearly shows pumpkin headed creatures ?

I'd be quite shocked to see plastic vampires, but they did plastic werewolves, so I guess it's plausible. I think they should be slightly taller than humans, but the scale for fantasy humans is all over the place now, so equal in height to the largest humans in the '28mm heroic' market (I think that is still GW) seems reasonable. In other words, at least as tall as death fields humans (which loom over stargrave ones, and look fine next to GW and A:AGDitC, which are the tallest other minis I own) and ideally a couple (but only a couple) of mm taller. So 33mm top-to-toe?

Worst case scenario? Use a sprue of them as thralls for a larger boss vampire made by another company

Halloween 2024 probably means they'll be in EU households in March tho...

 Talking Banana wrote:
I wonder how large or small they'll be. Will they be teeny vampires that only a Frostgrave adventurer could fear?

And if they're truly Nosferatu-esque, what would be their ideal scale anyway? Do people generally prefer their Nosferatus tall and gaunt, or short and hunched?

Inquiring minds want to know!

They will almost certainly be scaled to work with WGAs historical

 Gallahad wrote:
They will almost certainly be scaled to work with WGAs historical

Those are significantly smaller than death fields and most '28mm' fantasy ranges, aren't they? Including WGA's classic fantasy skeletons, I believe. On the other hand, I guess they would fit in OK with Frostgrave and Oathmark figures (WGA historicals look thinner than the chunky Northstar fantasy minis, but skinny works fine for vampires).

I'm hoping for a generic robed monster body with different head options: Nosferatu, Pumpkin, Cthlulhu, etc. Would be very useful.

ArminTamzarian wrote:
I'm hoping for a generic robed monster body with different head options: Nosferatu, Pumpkin, Cthlulhu, etc. Would be very useful.

If they do that then hopefully we get some generic hooded cultist heads too. Frostgrave cultists are nice but not enough plain cultists heads. And I still plan on eventually getting some victrix naked berserkers to put cultists heads on and traumatize my players with.

 Smokestack wrote:

ArminTamzarian wrote:
I'm hoping for a generic robed monster body with different head options: Nosferatu, Pumpkin, Cthlulhu, etc. Would be very useful.

If they do that then hopefully we get some generic hooded cultist heads too. Frostgrave cultists are nice but not enough plain cultists heads. And I still plan on eventually getting some victrix naked berserkers to put cultists heads on and traumatize my players with.

Generic robed humanoids would be good, but I'm concerned that they would reproduce the 'flaws' of Frostgrave cultists: being too damn short and having puddle bases. If it was me designing them, I think I would try to make them compatible with Guards of Traitor's Toll miniatures. There seems to be some potential for horror-themed expansions for that game.

Of course, the very idea that they are releasing robed vampire-like miniatures in plastic is pretty wild speculation from vague hints. It could well be a digital product, or some new use for their werewolves, an entirely different horror monster, or something like a range of 'horror investigators' in Victorian or 1920s style. It could even be something as small as a flash sale on werewolves and skeletons.

 Smokestack wrote:
Wargames Atlantic put this on their Facebook page… and have responded to questions with pics of nosferatu…so looks like plastic vampires are coming.

If they do look like nosferatu then I will use them as ghouls in pathfinder.

We just got werewolves so I figure Draculas or Frankensteins are next. Hoping for Frankensteins, steampunk Flesh Golems would be something new in the mini world.


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ArminTamzarian wrote:
I'm hoping for a generic robed monster body with different head options: Nosferatu, Pumpkin, Cthlulhu, etc. Would be very useful.

I like that idea a lot. Throw in a wizard head and mad scientist and we're golden.