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Update #74
1/17/2025 11:56 AM
IT'S HERE!
Update #74
The final sprue, or should I say sprues for the Damned Mauler are off to tooling!
This one has me excited! Yes, probably more than all of the others. Not just because it is awesome but because this represents the end of the design process and the final piece of the puzzle.
Now I'll stop wasting words and get right to it!
There you have it! In all of their glory. It can be built with an open topped or enclosed rear compartment and comes with multiple weapons options for the front hull mounted gun.
Sorry for the short and sweet update but I wanted to get this done and out to you as soon as possible!
I'll be back soon with a production update but rest assured everything is moving along nicely.
Best wishes to you all
Charlie
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Post by: Banelord300
Nice to see that if you did not want the extended driver area you can just skip adding that part.
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Post by: RustyNumber
Are there any new shots of the whole model? I've only seen the old grey render.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Yea we need some beauty shots of the Mauler
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I imagine we'll see it as soon as the test shots have been made
can't wait
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
  The Damned, Plastic Beastmen test shot
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
I'd say these two-handed weapons and unaugmented heads wouldn't look too out of place in a fantasy setting, no?
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Post by: Brickfix
First impression: awesome options, full of character
Second impression: are all pistols left- /all CCWs right-handed?
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Post by: legionaires
I wish the guns had a bit more detail but it's not a deal breaker
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Post by: mithril2098
looks like a mix of an miniUzi and a MAC10, leanong more to the MAC10 in style. both firearms that don't exactly have a ton of details breaking up their boxy shape. so not sure it would matter.
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Post by: Racerguy180
Im loving it. Was hoping for a couple Kalashnikov's but alas...
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Post by: Ignispacium
I like what I see. Between the Quar and the Damned, WA is going some great work.
I'll likely be purchasing some of these.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I think I just got two sprues as part of my pledge, for the weapon options. Might use a couple bodies for furry mutants in post-apoc someday, butotherwise not interested in sci-fi beastmen. Great sculpts tho.
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Post by: Alpharius
 lord_blackfang wrote:I think I just got two sprues as part of my pledge, for the weapon options. Might use a couple bodies for furry mutants in post- apoc someday, butotherwise not interested in sci-fi beastmen. Great sculpts tho.
Sci-Fi Beastmen are great! 
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Post by: insaniak
Some fancier guns would have been nice, but even so that's a fantastic looking kit.
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Post by: modelhunter
I am really liking these Beastmen. There is so many possibilities with the 'mix n match' of the Damned range.
Keep up the great work WGA.
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Post by: Gallahad
I don't even play sci-fi games but I'll be getting a box of those beastmen. The look great and like an easy conversion to fantasy needs.
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Post by: Racerguy180
 Gallahad wrote:I don't even play sci-fi games but I'll be getting a box of those beastmen. The look great and like an easy conversion to fantasy needs.
One thing where WGA is knocking it outta the park! They're making kits that appeal to a wider range of hobbyists to maximize use of said kit.
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Post by: Eilif
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The Damned, Plastic Beastmen test shot
I like these more and more with every reveal. So glad I swapped these into my pledge.
Does seem like a slight oversight to not make it possible for all the miniatures to have a gas mask. I could be missing something, but it looks like only 5 of 6 can be masked.
To my chagrin, at this point it seems like a theme that every WGA kit will have one or two commonly-used options for a given miniature set that are impossible to apply across the entire kit. In addition to Gas-Masked heads it to be the same for double-handed CCWs. At least we have enough to give single-handed CCWs and/or pistols to each figure. My question would be whether we needed 9 single handed CCW's but only 3 double-handed CCW's.
Sgt. Cortez wrote:I'd say these two-handed weapons and unaugmented heads wouldn't look too out of place in a fantasy setting, no?
Fantasy is definitely where most of mine will probably end up. I think these will fill a nice niche in the market for both fantasy and Sci-Fi beastmen.
mithril2098 wrote:looks like a mix of an miniUzi and a MAC10, leaning more to the MAC10 in style. both firearms that don't exactly have a ton of details breaking up their boxy shape. so not sure it would matter.
those both had mags in the grip. This has mags attaching to the middle of the frame. Still, the style of these does remind me of something of a combination of the Uzi-ish autopistols that were so common in original Necromunda and the more current autopistol designs.
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Post by: legionaires
After seeing these it makes me really hope that WGA comes back and does a Damned mutants set. Those just messed being reached during the campaign if I remember correctly.
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Post by: Smokestack
 legionaires wrote:After seeing these it makes me really hope that WGA comes back and does a Damned mutants set. Those just messed being reached during the campaign if I remember correctly.
IIRC there was a poll. It had Beastmen, Heavy troopers and the mutant sprue. Beastmen and Heavy troopers took 1 and 2... (dont remember which order) so they put one as a stretch and then the other as the stretch after that. Mutant sprue took last so was kind of just stopped talking about until close to the end.
I checked my order. Got 1 box of beastmen and 3 sprues of beastmen... I think there are 4 to a box... so 7 sprues in my order. Kind of wish I had gotten more now.
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Post by: Racerguy180
I'll always feel like I should added more to my order but I'm already swimming in traitor Solar Aux & Militia. So I forced myself to refrain(very un-Slanesshi) and kinda regret it.
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Post by: Perfect Organism
I'm warming up to the beastmen.
mithril2098 wrote:looks like a mix of an miniUzi and a MAC10, leanong more to the MAC10 in style. both firearms that don't exactly have a ton of details breaking up their boxy shape. so not sure it would matter.
Eilif wrote:those both had mags in the grip. This has mags attaching to the middle of the frame. Still, the style of these does remind me of something of a combination of the Uzi-ish autopistols that were so common in original Necromunda and the more current autopistol designs.
Looks like it has Uzi-style sights (sight guards, anyway), a boxy rear reminiscent of the MAC-10 (or -11), and a magazine and grip somewhat similar to the Jatimatic, or maybe a TEC-9 with a shortened magazine well. So a blend of the 'greatest hits' of 1980s SMG design, which is absolutely perfect for these guys.
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Post by: warboss
You are indeed correct! I fully admit they fit into the current fully fleshed out 40k universe but they were a cool aspect to the earlier RT era wild west of the universe! I'm just glad the ogryns didn't get culled with the squats for multiple decades prior to their glorious return.
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Post by: mithril2098
from the looks of things the beastmen arms will be pretty similar to the arms on the sprues for the various human troops, so you ought to be able to make SMG+CCW human infantry by mixing sprues, as well as give the beastmen those AK style rifles.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
WGA roundup of 2024, and plans for 2025 https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/statum-atlanticum-mmxxv pulling out a few snippits "OTHER" PRODUCTS
Besides hard plastic sets and games we have a bunch of products in the "Other" category coming out this year. We've developed some interesting hobby tools specifically for hard plastic that we think will make your lives easier. We also have some amazing waterslide transfers in the works with original designs by the very talented Steve Beckett. And there are going to be a few other surprises coming in the "Other" category as well starting in March!
More than anything, 2024 was the year of the Quar! We partnered with Joshua Qualtieri of ZombieSmith (and Strange Plastic) to take his lovable and iconic Quar to hard plastic. Starting with the This Quar’s War: Clash of Rhyfles game we have followed up with three hard plastic sets and at writing have seven more in progress with even more to come after those! 2025 will see all these sets and more as the world of the Quar expands across dozens of hard plastic sets and more games.
We have also secured our first license for a popular television series that is fertile ground for a wargame. Contracts are signed and plans are made and work is starting. But that’s something for another day!
And 2025 will see the launch of models in a completely new scale from us. We're not talking about the 1/1200 Expanse ships (see below) and we're definitely not talking about "those nasty little 15s" or even the ridiculous 13.5mm figures! So stay tuned!
Combining two of 2025’s focuses (foci?) is the range and game for 10mm Classic Fantasy Battles! Our first set, Orc Infantry, is done tooling and the box is getting ready. Dwarven Infantry, Skeletons, and Elves will follow along soon with many other sets this year culminating in the launch of a massively small new game. You’ll be hearing a lot about that in the lead up to the release as Andy discusses gameplay, army building, and more.
OTHER GRAND BATTLE SCALE GAMES
We have three other games in the works for the Grand Battle Scale ranges. One is in partnership with the fine folks at Helion and we’ll be announcing that in the near future. Another is the brainchild of Battlegames founder Henry Hyde. And the third one is well into play testing in the wilds of Cornwall!
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Well, that's all just amazing innit
Bets on TV license?
Bets on new scale?
54mm Star Trek Lower Decks arena battler let's goooo
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Post by: Eilif
mithril2098 wrote:from the looks of things the beastmen arms will be pretty similar to the arms on the sprues for the various human troops, so you ought to be able to make SMG+ CCW human infantry by mixing sprues, as well as give the beastmen those AK style rifles.
That's a very good point. Folks who have bought into the crowdfunding will probably have enough options to convert these in a number of ways.
In addition to 4 additions to my Guard ( Riders, Ogryn, Artillery and Beastmen) I'm looking forward to my 3-box pledge bringing me an enormous amount of sprues and bits for future conversions.
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Post by: Easy E
That is a lot of stuff and SKUs. I hope they are not overstretching themselves. This is a common issue with growing companies that often leads to pre-mature closures.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 Easy E wrote:That is a lot of stuff and SKUs. I hope they are not overstretching themselves. This is a common issue with growing companies that often leads to pre-mature closures.
Pretty sure they made all the new plastics for DFC, and probably some for DZC. They’re also making plastics for a few other games that don’t show up under Wargames Atlantic. That’s a solid foundation to build on and even take some risks. If the 10mm game bombs, for example, they should be able to absorb that loss.
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Post by: Easy E
Sure, but maintaining and able to produce all those SKUs? That is not easy to do.
Granted, I am no expert in this space.
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Post by: Smokestack
January 24, 2025 Wargames Atlantic
Two "New" Hard Plastic Sets! (Let Us Explain...)
Today we're excited to announce two "new" hard plastic sets. We say "new" because they are both new versions of previous releases that we think you'll really like! Let's dig in!
First up we have our first Army Box: Skeleton Army! We've taken the frames from WAACF001 Skeleton Warriors and WAACF007 Skeleton Cavalry and Chariots and absolutely filled up a giant box with them to give you a grand total of: 18 Horses, 4 Chariots, and 85 Skeletons! A whopping 23 frames of plastic!
We also have a new Les Grognards box! When we designed the original Grognards we made the 1/2 frame of 3 infantry bodies you know and love and a 1/8 frame of extra heads. We then made another 1/2 frame just of heads and we've mixed these two head frames in the boxes ever since depending on which ones were being produced (depending on the other set that was on the other side of the mold). Well, as the Grognards continue to be super popular the head frame situation got out of hand. And the set on the other side of the 1/2 frame of 3 bodies was getting TOO much production.
To make things easier on us, and to give you something extra for the Grognards, we've retooled the original frames onto one full frame. BUT we've also added a completely new body pose along with a new set of rifle arms. So most of it will be the familiar set you've known but you get a new pose. Each of the new boxes will have 6 of these full frames giving you 24 figures with ALL those head options (with and without gasmasks!)
Both of these sets will go on pre-order next Friday January 31, 2025!
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Post by: Scottywan82
Easy E wrote:That is a lot of stuff and SKUs. I hope they are not overstretching themselves. This is a common issue with growing companies that often leads to pre-mature closures.
That is my big fear as well. I am excited for them, though!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Good to see they've lasted long enough to start updating older products!
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Post by: Banelord300
Perhaps that could mean a revision of the Raumjägers so they are less wide and more variants.
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Post by: RustyNumber
 Banelord300 wrote:Perhaps that could mean a revision of the Raumjägers so they are less wide and more variants.
I'd kill for a not-kasarkin style raumjager. I know there's the full stormtrooper models they sell but they look very leggy/less heroic scale to me.
Got into the sneakfeet and female penpals (a typo but a hilarious one I will not edit!) the other day. Great kits, especially cool how the penal sets compliment each other so well. I made a Sgt with a sniper scope on her pistol and one holding two knives with a third strapped to her back 
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Post by: Banelord300
 RustyNumber wrote:
I'd kill for a not-kasarkin style raumjager. I know there's the full stormtrooper models they sell but they look very leggy/less heroic scale to me.
Got into the sneakfeet and female penpals (a typo but a hilarious one I will not edit!) the other day. Great kits, especially cool how the penal sets compliment each other so well. I made a Sgt with a sniper scope on her pistol and one holding two knives with a third strapped to her back
That would be a cool option, I would be happy for either but if Raum were made to look closer to the artwork that would also be a really nice improvement.
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Post by: StudentOfEtherium
was checking the wga website for other reasons, but i happened to see that the skeletons box is out now; after looking at it closely, i'm now being tempted to start a tomb kings army... for a third of the price, the box comes with more than the tomb kings box gw offers, sans dragon and character. could buy two of the box and the dragon on its own and the price would be the same...
not making any snap purchases now, but it's under heavy consideration for the future. hope wga do other boxes like this in the future!
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Do note that the "85 dudes" includes chariot crew and horse riders, you don't get 85 infantry.
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Post by: StudentOfEtherium
lord_blackfang wrote:Do note that the "85 dudes" includes chariot crew and horse riders, you don't get 85 infantry.
ah, important note. still, two of the box is significantly more infantry, and still for less money overall
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Post by: Daba
Are the Quar vehilcles WGA?
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Yup, right on the same sprue as the related infantry:
 
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Post by: legionaires
I'm eh on the Quar infantry but really excited for the potential of the Quar tractors. Definitely interested to see the future tractors and if they could be bashed together easily.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
Another set of hard plastic bases from us:
These will be very useful when Green Ronin's Expanse crew set is released.
50mm textured bases are about to hit the stores also.
Pre-orders for the Villagers and Guards Classic Fantasy sets open tomorrow. And the Samurai Command and Orcs in Grand Battle Scale are coming up fast.
Just dropped two other secret projects into tooling as well. Lots on the go! Two injection presses are running pretty much non-stop now to keep up with restocks and the increased number of new releases.
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Post by: Eilif
Those are excellent. Especially as the Champ Industries Industrial theme plastic bases (Similar style) are so hard to come by these days.
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Post by: ritualnet
The bases look great, I wonder if you could do a "base upgrade" sprue too, bits you can throw onto bases to enhance them, maybe even turn a base and the bits into an objective marker etc?
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Post by: Gallahad
I looked for those bases on the website but couldn't find them. They look great for adding some flair to Zombicide Invader survivors.
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Post by: Theophony
My only issue with the bases is they are mostly "centered". The designs are focused with the center being right in the middle of the base, when multiple models are on that same design base it really shows. if the bases are off center focus then you can at least spin the base to change the focus and make them look more varied. Also, that centered look makes it seem like the models are walking to their stage directed spot.
Overall quality looks good, just my pickiness.
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Post by: Desert Dave
Spaceships? 🤔
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Yes, The Expanse
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Post by: Smokestack
February 10, 2025 Wargames Atlantic
Vox Populi Redux!
Welcome Citizen! Here at Wargames Atlantic we believe in the power of democracy!
From our earliest beginnings, we have polled wargamers to find out what we should make for you. The Famous Friday Poll on Facebook has questions for you every week. And a number of our sets have become a reality through various polling and contests including, but not limited to: Aztecs, Conquistadors, Grognard Cavalry, Skeleton Cavalry, WW1 Russians, Conquistador Cavalry, Renaissance Heavy Cavalry, Afghan Cavalry, and the BEF.
We launched our Vox Populi program in January of 2023, revised it later that year, and have been seeing how things go ever since. The idea was a multi-step process of voting through immediately redeemable gift voucher purchases, then having the top set in the voting go to a second round of pre-production orders, and once the $6000 target was hit we'd make it. Pre-production backers got a nice discount and a chance to have something they really wanted made in hard plastic.
We fear it was too complicated and in today's world of constant attention-demanding "stuff" you had to be too into it to understand how it all worked. So today we're re-launching the Vox Populi idea in a new, simpler format:
First, we wanted to make sure that we recognized what had come in V1 of the program. In looking at the most recent voting, we realized the Top 4 had 60% of the total votes for the 12 in the list.
So we've taken those top 4 and moved them directly into production to join the Dark Ages Army Builder and the Warring States sets that are already in process!
Now, going forward we've dramatically simplified the process. It's one vote for all the sets that are on the list and we'll just take the leaders and move them to production as we go. As sets come off the list we'll add new ones on based on your #voxatlantic hashtag suggestions and additional polling.
No multi-step process, just pure vote totals. All these sets will be made eventually, but this will ensure that the ones you REALLY want get made first.
We've also added a section at the bottom of the new Vox Populi page that shows the current status of the sets that have moved to production. You'll be able to follow along as they flow through the various steps to become hard plastic.
Thanks for all who have participated so far and we welcome everyone to get their votes in! Also visit the forums to discuss the various sets and add your ideas and wishes to the list.
Thanks again and Happy Wargaming! Vote here!
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Post by: Smokestack
Halfling cavalry... Hope its like the digital set. And Looks like I will be getting that Dark Age army builder to fantasy-up.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Cool, I don't hate any of those
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Post by: Smokestack
I am 5/6 on those... And only because I have no games for Napoleonic stuff. I am looking forward to the Halfling cavalry so I can finally finish my halfling army. When those are released I will also need 2 or 3 more boxes of the halfling infantry.
The Goth... I mean Dark age army builder I am looking forward to. I will use up a good majority of my left over conquistador heads and arms on them. 2 boxes makes 96 foot troops. Which will be 3 big blocks of 30 with some spares.
The Warring States stuff... I am still on the fence about. I want them... but not sure if I will end up getting more than a box,
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Post by: modelhunter
I can't wait for the Modern Operators to be released, hopefully followed by the Insurgents.
It is pity that the Gangsters dropped off the voting list.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
 modelhunter wrote:I can't wait for the Modern Operators to be released, hopefully followed by the Insurgents.
It is pity that the Gangsters dropped off the voting list.
The gangsters are off the list for a very good reason. Check back in 2026.
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Post by: modelhunter
That is promising news.
Cheers
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Under license? Great Escape Games? Or, dare I dream, you're publishing Hardboiled from the 1 box challenge
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Could it be a new game with Gangster & G-men is brewing, perhaps with another partner company ?
Colour me interested
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Post by: Racerguy180
I'd be very down for some WGA gangsters and feds....
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Post by: Smokestack
From the newsletter…
Upcoming Pre-Orders!
50mm Textured Bases (Packing)
Death Fields Upgrade (Packing)
Weird War One Conversions Parts (Packing)
Grand Battle Scale Orcs (Box Printing)
Barons' War Mounted Knights (BoxPrinting)
Barons' War Mounted Serjeants (Box Printing)
Barded Horses (Box Printing)
25MM Deck Bases (Box Design)
Grand Battle Scale Azincourt French (Ready for Paint)
Coftyran Command (Box Design)
Secret Barons' War Frames (T1 March 1)
Late Roman Shields (March 8)
Damned Mauler (T1s March 21-April 3)
Crusader Command (T1 March 10)
Crusader Specialists (March 19)
Coftyran Specialists (March 24)
Grand Battle Scale Azincourt English Longbowmen (April 6)
Grand Battle Scale Azincourt English Knights (April 12)
Genoese Crossbowmen (April 16)
Western Arnyaran Infantry (April 16)
Expanse Crew (April 18)
Coftyran Chyweethl Tractor (April 23/28)
WAAMR002 Gladiators (Tooling)
Grand Battle Scale Dwarves (File Prep)
Expanse Ships (File Prep)
Crusader Ailthean Tractor (File Prep)
Dark Ages Army Builder (File Prep)
SpaceNam Heavy Weapons (File Adjustments)
Grand Battle Scale Skeletons (File Prep)
Creevish Rhyflers (File Prep)
Warring States Chariot, Cavalry, Unarmored and Armored Infantry (File Prep)
Halfling Cavalry (File Prep)
Waterslides (final production)
Heiho game-in-a-box (book printing)
More Secret Sets (Design and File Prep)
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Post by: SU-152
Lots and lots of Grand Battle Scale!!!! I'll build a couple more armies 
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Post by: modelhunter
When WGA list a date against a set (eg Expanse Crew - April 18), what does that mean? Is that a T1 date or the planned actual production?
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Post by: Smokestack
It's been a hectic month at Wargames Atlantic but good news on the Damned!
Good day to you all!
Apologies for the lack of updates recently. It has been a hectic time the last month and I've been up to my eyeballs in all sorts! The good news is, regardless of how busy I am, the production of the Damned has not stopped! In fact, every mold is complete apart from the Mauler.
The first of the Mauler molds are due to be complete any day with the others to follow imminently. As soon as I have photo's of the sprues I will post them in an update.
The Mauler is going to hold us back a little. However, in an effort to keep things moving, as soon as the production runs start on the Mauler sprues we will start shipping pledges out
I will begin updating all of the address changes this week so if you have an address update and you haven't already let us know then please send it through.
Not long now folks!
Best wishes,
Charlie
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Post by: Racerguy180
Yes, yes, yes and more yes. Can't wait....
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Post by: Eilif
Good News.
Makes sense too. I'm sure there are a ton of sprues like mine that don't have any Mauler's in them.
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Post by: Gir Spirit Bane
So whats the latest estimate on UK pledges now? I know we're well over the initial date due to the glorious scale of it.
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Post by: Daba
Looking forward to the Coftyran Chyweethl Tractor
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Post by: legionaires
I'm so ready to get these and build some Trench Crusade warbands.
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Post by: modelhunter
I am still not clear as to what the date that WGA list against a planned set (eg Expanse Crew - April 18) actually represent?
I gather it does not refer to a T1 planned target. Is the planned production run?
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Post by: mithril2098
I would assume that if it doesn't have a stage listed, it's the rough date they're hoping to start prep work.
I agree it would be nice if they'd be clearer on what the dates mean.
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Post by: Smokestack
I don't know and couldn't find anything about it on their website. But under Vox Populi section it does show the stages...
In general the process goes: Sculpting, Sculpture Review (and any revisions), File Prep, Layout, Tooling, T1 (first test shot), Box Design, Box Printing, Release.
I am interested in the Genoese crossbowmen. I wonder if these are 28mm, or grand scale. And wonder what can be built with the sprue. If they are being released on April 18th, I would expect a preview... so the date may well be the "we will get started on these" date.
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Post by: mithril2098
Probably 28mm given they've had 28mm ones on WGA Digital for a while, and those are often where their sets start now.
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Post by: Smokestack
Ok, nice. Will admit I haven't really looked at the digital stuff. I like these. If the set is like this in plastic then I will likely get. But I have put off the new Guards or Traitor's toll stuff as I balked at the prices a bit. Same with the Gladiator set at kickstarter prices. May end up just getting a couple sprues of each.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
Update on the Dark Ages Army Builder set - one of the three frames now has a layout and is entering tooling: https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/decline-and-fall/products/dark-ages-army-builder-1
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Post by: mithril2098
mithril2098 wrote:
modelhunter wrote:I am still not clear as to what the date that WGA list against a planned set (eg Expanse Crew - April 18) actually represent?
I gather it does not refer to a T1 planned target. Is the planned production run?
I would assume that if it doesn't have a stage listed, it's the rough date they're hoping to start prep work.
I agree it would be nice if they'd be clearer on what the dates mean.
we now have clarification as to what the dates mean. was posted on the WGA forums
they're the expected T1 dates.
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Post by: Easy E
That looks useful to me for my Late Roman wargame I am working on.....
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Gonna put those Smurf hats on some victrix naked fanatics for... something.
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
Not sure if others have stated this already, but they are doing at least 10 armies in hard plastic for their new rank and flank 10mm game.
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Post by: schoon
That's very interesting! Is there any more info on it?
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Post by: Ohman
The Orc horde is the first release for the new 10mm game. Looks good. Not sure about only 2 cavalry models per base but I guess that all depends on how you want to base them.
https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/the-orcs-prepare-to-march?se_activity_id=137588047970&syclid=cval2nup3ljs73b2p7ig&utm_campaign=The+Friday+Email+from+Wargames+Atlantic%21_137588047970&utm_medium=email&utm_source=shopify_email
Sprue:
This hard plastic box set includes three frames with 84 figures for a total of 252 figures in the box along with 40mm x 20mm dual use bases. From this box you can build the following:
72 bowmen (6 bases)
36 spearmen (3 bases)
36 light swordsmen (3 bases)
36 heavy swordsmen (3 bases)
36 heavy axemen (3 bases)
12 warg riders (6 bases)
and 15 command and 9 casualties
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Post by: alphaecho
The Lord Of The Rings in Angus McBride style?
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
yes they have an old school feel for sure. I'm curious what base sizes they are going to use in their game. The article this upcoming Friday will cover that they said. Hoping they stick to 40mm wide frontage like most systems in 10mm these days.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
yes they have an old school feel for sure. I'm curious what base sizes they are going to use in their game. The article this upcoming Friday will cover that they said. Hoping they stick to 40mm wide frontage like most systems in 10mm these days.
This hard plastic box set includes three frames with 84 figures for a total of 252 figures in the box along with 40mm x 20mm dual use bases.
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Post by: schoon
Very impressive. Thank you for the sprue pics.
I was wondering if there's anything more known about the system it will use?
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Post by: legionaires
 schoon wrote:Very impressive. Thank you for the sprue pics.
I was wondering if there's anything more known about the system it will use?
I think its a new system they are making in house.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
It's written by the Baron's War guy.
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Post by: SU-152
Impresive!! they have updated and fixed the long polearms of the orcs.
and looking forward to trying the new rules.
Not sure about only 2 cavalry models per base
Maybe they are skirmishers?... that would justify it in game and in looks...
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Post by: Smokestack
Dark age army builder Sprues
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I can very easily seeing grabbing a few sprues to make unarmed peasants/pilgrims/fantasy prisoners.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I'm sure the smurf caps will come in useful
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Post by: SU-152
 amazing!!!!!!!!!
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Thats great!
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Post by: schoon
Interesting article, but quite vague as to the actual effects of specializing your units...
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Post by: SU-152
Interesting, 3*3 is a bigger footprint than other systems. I trust the author is a good designer, since he did Baron's war.
Pity I have no FB account.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
So looks like it will be more detailed than other 10mm stff Automatically Appended Next Post: https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/lead-your-retinue-to-glory-barons-war-second-edition
Not one but two sprues of medieval scatter
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Post by: Garrac
Still waiting on the Damned campaign. This originally started on June 2023. Wouldnt usually mind the long waits, but the lack of comunication from WGA is getting a bit frustrating. Sure we could get even a little update?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Garrac wrote:Still waiting on the Damned campaign. This originally started on June 2023. Wouldnt usually mind the long waits, but the lack of comunication from WGA is getting a bit frustrating. Sure we could get even a little update?
The last update was 3 weeks ago, how often do you need them?
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Post by: Smokestack
lord_blackfang wrote:Garrac wrote:Still waiting on the Damned campaign. This originally started on June 2023. Wouldnt usually mind the long waits, but the lack of comunication from WGA is getting a bit frustrating. Sure we could get even a little update?
The last update was 3 weeks ago, how often do you need them?
True, but the last update said "The first of the Mauler molds are due to be complete any day with the others to follow imminently. As soon as I have photo's of the sprues I will post them in an update." So I was hoping we would have gotten some pics by now. I think overall the communication has been good though.
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Post by: Not Online!!!
It's their first propper vehicle. I'd rather they do a propper job than a rush job.
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Post by: legionaires
I backed the Damned campaign too, so while I would love it to hurry up, I'm having trouble being annoyed since they have pulled in the Baron's War game especially with this new starter coming.
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Post by: mithril2098
Not Online!!! wrote:It's their first propper vehicle. I'd rather they do a propper job than a rush job.
agreed. especially since they've got two others ones with estimated T1 dates listed as in a couple months (the Quar tanks), which i doubt they'd have started without the experience of the mauler kit. at least the quar tanks are smaller and have less options, so might be easier to arrange on a sprue.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
And don't forget the vehicle was scrapped and remade from scratch because so many people hated the design. That probably adds a day or two eh?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
They've got to get a working test shot and a vehicle with lots of large flat panels will fill very differently from a sprue of lots of small bits so it wouldn't surprise me if it's going to take a few reworks of the sprue gates/fill points which will send the mould back to tooling (on GW sprues the number of dots indicates how many times it's been adjusted to get it to work, the spoilered example has 3, some have a lot more)
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Post by: legionaires
Are we sure this conversation is still on Dakkadakka? I thought it was tradition to slag companies for being behind, lol
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:They've got to get a working test shot and a vehicle with lots of large flat panels will fill very differently from a sprue of lots of small bits
so it wouldn't surprise me if it's going to take a few reworks of the sprue gates/fill points which will send the mould back to tooling (on GW sprues the number of dots indicates how many times it's been adjusted to get it to work, the spoilered example has 3, some have a lot more)
Never understood why it takes them so many tries to get their frames right. Most of our frames are final on T1 (i.e. the first test shot). Sometimes they go back for a gate adjustment or additional ejection pin added to facilitate fill/operation so that would be T2. I think of the 90+ frames we've done we've had to go beyond T2 maybe 4 times? It could be down to the fact that they insist on using those half-hexagon runners which aren't great for plastic flow - round cylinders are always much better. I think the new IG frame has 9-10 of those little dots!? Automatically Appended Next Post: And here's a few things to check out: https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/work-in-progress
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 Wargames Atlantic wrote:
Never understood why it takes them so many tries to get their frames right. Most of our frames are final on T1 (i.e. the first test shot). Sometimes they go back for a gate adjustment or additional ejection pin added to facilitate fill/operation so that would be T2. I think of the 90+ frames we've done we've had to go beyond T2 maybe 4 times? It could be down to the fact that they insist on using those half-hexagon runners which aren't great for plastic flow - round cylinders are always much better. I think the new IG frame has 9-10 of those little dots!?
kudos to your design techs
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Post by: legionaires
Wargames Atlantic wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:They've got to get a working test shot and a vehicle with lots of large flat panels will fill very differently from a sprue of lots of small bits
so it wouldn't surprise me if it's going to take a few reworks of the sprue gates/fill points which will send the mould back to tooling (on GW sprues the number of dots indicates how many times it's been adjusted to get it to work, the spoilered example has 3, some have a lot more)
Never understood why it takes them so many tries to get their frames right. Most of our frames are final on T1 (i.e. the first test shot). Sometimes they go back for a gate adjustment or additional ejection pin added to facilitate fill/operation so that would be T2. I think of the 90+ frames we've done we've had to go beyond T2 maybe 4 times? It could be down to the fact that they insist on using those half-hexagon runners which aren't great for plastic flow - round cylinders are always much better. I think the new IG frame has 9-10 of those little dots!?
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And here's a few things to check out: https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/work-in-progress
Likely because they are making stuff way OTT. Thankfully you guys make models to be used in gaming first rather than display painting.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
You would think but there's really no difference. The key things about what we and GW do is that it's actually some of the most complex tooling in the world and not something most plastic companies can achieve.
The reason for that is it combines several unique things on one frame: 1. organic shapes, 2. small detail parts, 3. mixed sized parts, and 4. a LOT of parts.
Most tooling is focused on multiples of the same part on one mold that allows for more consistent fill, atmosphere in the mold, etc.
So the great irony is that our little plastic toys are some of the hardest and most expensive plastic molds to engineer.
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Post by: insaniak
But it always feels so nice to get those T1s in your hand!
I think I'd be going insane by T9...
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Post by: Perfect Organism
lord_blackfang wrote:https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/work-in-progress
Excite about modern survivors!
Any idea whether they are GW / Death Fields scale, or short-arse historical / Frost-(or star-)grave alikes? Would really like some larger civilian / irregulars. Project Z survivors are too specific to have more than a couple of each figure without them being obvious clones.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
Historical 28mm size as they exist in the same range as the Zombies, Modern Operators, and some others we'll be announcing next week.
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Post by: Longstrider
Great news about you getting the RGD minis sorted, I'm glad they'll be around. I think it makes sense to go for Satyrs in the first round as they're the ones RGD learned all the lessons for, but hopefully you'll be able to sort out some of the quirks on the fauns, scythians, and amazons too. They were great in concept and mostly good in execution.
Also looking forward to the Warring States stuff and more Quar, but you've lots of fans with lots of interests so I will try to be patient.
Unrelated, but is there anything you can say about the early 1900s Japanese set?
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Post by: modelhunter
Those Survivors/Civilians look fantastic and I will certainly be buying few boxes of them.
There are so many possibilities.
I hope they're not too far away.
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
join us on Facebook (if you are on Facebook) to discuss Classic Fantasy battles 10mm. They even put up polls for us to offer input.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/665636245995442 Automatically Appended Next Post: Wargames Atlantic wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:They've got to get a working test shot and a vehicle with lots of large flat panels will fill very differently from a sprue of lots of small bits
so it wouldn't surprise me if it's going to take a few reworks of the sprue gates/fill points which will send the mould back to tooling (on GW sprues the number of dots indicates how many times it's been adjusted to get it to work, the spoilered example has 3, some have a lot more)
Never understood why it takes them so many tries to get their frames right. Most of our frames are final on T1 (i.e. the first test shot). Sometimes they go back for a gate adjustment or additional ejection pin added to facilitate fill/operation so that would be T2. I think of the 90+ frames we've done we've had to go beyond T2 maybe 4 times? It could be down to the fact that they insist on using those half-hexagon runners which aren't great for plastic flow - round cylinders are always much better. I think the new IG frame has 9-10 of those little dots!?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
And here's a few things to check out: https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/work-in-progress
Greetings Wargames Atlantic,
We are so excited for the release of Classic Fantasy Battles! can you give us some indication, however, of what variety of troops, warmachines, creatures, heros, monsters, etc. will be manufactured and present in the game? My friends and I are hesitant to purchase these new armies until we know that the game will have enough official Wargames Atlantic models for us to enjoy a truly epic scale, varied experience. Can you comment on this at all this early?
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Post by: SU-152
Shrapnelsmile wrote:
Greetings Wargames Atlantic,
We are so excited for the release of Classic Fantasy Battles! can you give us some indication, however, of what variety of troops, warmachines, creatures, heros, monsters, etc. will be manufactured and present in the game? My friends and I are hesitant to purchase these new armies until we know that the game will have enough official Wargames Atlantic models for us to enjoy a truly epic scale, varied experience. Can you comment on this at all this early?
Damn I'm not on FB!!!
I will also join the petition. I felt a bit sad when I saw there were no warmachines nor artillery on the dwarf sprue... 
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Post by: Smokestack
If this is an April fools joke, which would not be a first for Wargames Atlantic, I hope those renders will be used for a female survivor's kit at some point in the future.
The heads alone would be great to use with the female damned and Cannon fodder 2 sets.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
It's speculative (just barely) fiction right now, but might count as a historical game by the time its released. Truly this is the best timeline.
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
Does anybody remember the PC game with the same title were the USA broke into 5 factions, DC was nuked and the EU made an intervention?
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
SU-152 wrote: Shrapnelsmile wrote:
Greetings Wargames Atlantic,
We are so excited for the release of Classic Fantasy Battles! can you give us some indication, however, of what variety of troops, warmachines, creatures, heros, monsters, etc. will be manufactured and present in the game? My friends and I are hesitant to purchase these new armies until we know that the game will have enough official Wargames Atlantic models for us to enjoy a truly epic scale, varied experience. Can you comment on this at all this early?
Damn I'm not on FB!!!
I will also join the petition. I felt a bit sad when I saw there were no warmachines nor artillery on the dwarf sprue...
I am fine keeping it at infantry in the first wave of boxes, but separate releases with additional varied units is necessary if the game is to compete with the other rivals on the market. I'm sure they have big plans, the response seems very positive.
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Post by: Garfield666
Sgt. Cortez wrote:Does anybody remember the PC game with the same title were the USA broke into 5 factions, DC was nuked and the EU made an intervention?
You mean Shattered Union, don't you?
Really liked it back then, but tried it a few years ago again and it didn't click anymore...
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
 Garfield666 wrote:Sgt. Cortez wrote:Does anybody remember the PC game with the same title were the USA broke into 5 factions, DC was nuked and the EU made an intervention?
You mean Shattered Union, don't you?
Really liked it back then, but tried it a few years ago again and it didn't click anymore...
I played only one campaign with the EU because all of the US factions seemed boring and samey. It was a fun little tactical experience. No Russia, China, or Mexico made it seem very basic though. Nice throwback!
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Post by: modelhunter
This is too serious to be April Fools.
We must have the Minis, they look too good!
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The painted dudes have already been announced before April 1st as generic Civilians/Survivors https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/work-in-progress And the renders are obviously Female Survivors No danger of these not being available to buy
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Post by: legionaires
Ugh seeing the political news, I wish WGA could get the pewter molds for Baron's War into the US.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
legionaires wrote:Ugh seeing the political news, I wish WGA could get the pewter molds for Baron's War into the US.
I don't know what this means? Are you talking about Footsore Miniatures' molds? We have nothing to do with those. They are their own company. If you mean the molds to make plastic they are already in the US...and soon to be in the UK as well.
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Post by: Smokestack
From the newsletter
Latest Releases:
Barons' War Second Edition - April 25
Barons' War Mounted Knights - April 18
Barons' War Mounted Serjeants - April 18
Grand Battle Scale Orcs - April 4!
Plastic Sets Released So Far This Year: 14
Total Plastic Sets: 81
Upcoming Pre-Orders!
Coftyran Command (Packing)
Crusader Command (Packing)
25MM Deck Bases (Box Design)
Grand Battle Scale Azincourt French (Hold for Genoese)
Barricades & Market x 2 (Ready for BW2)
Late Roman Shields (Wating for Squamata)
Crusader Specialists (Box Design)
Damned Mauler (3/3 Frames Done)
Coftyran Specialists (Box Design)
Satyr Brutes (Painting)
Grand Battle Scale Azincourt English Longbowmen (April 6)
Grand Battle Scale Azincourt English Knights (Waiting)
Western Arnyaran Infantry (April 16)
Expanse Crew (April 18)
WAALR004 Dark Ages Army Builder (April 20/28)
Coftyran Chyweethl Tractor (April 23/28)
Afghan Warriors (April 29)
Grand Battle Scale Genoese Crossbowmen (May 8)
WAAMR002 Gladiators (May 12)
Crusader Ailthean Tractor (May 16/18)
Grand Battle Scale Dwarves (Tooling)
Warring States Chariot, Cavalry, Unarmored and Armored Infantry (Layout)
Expanse Ships (Layout)
Halfling Cavalry (Layout)
Grand Battle Scale Skeletons (Layout)
Creevish Rhyflers (Layout)
Civilians/Survivors (File Prep)
Modern Operators (File Prep)
WAALR005 Late Roman Legionaries (2): Lorica Squamata (File Prep)
WAAMM004 Shadokesh Ferals (File Prep)
Marcher 01 (File Prep)
Waterslides (Box Design)
Secret Historical Set 1 (Tooling)
Secret Historical Set 2 (Tooling)
Secret Historical Set 3 (Design)
Secret Napoleonic Set (Design)
Secret Classic Fantasy Set (Design)
Heiho game-in-a-box (token printing/box illustration)
SpaceNam Heavy Weapons (File Prep)
WAAQU013 Fidwog Specialists (File Prep)
So those Genoise Crssbowmen ARE grand scale... :(
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Good to see the Mauler for the Damned is all sprued up now
hopefully Charlie can post a built picture soon
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Heck even a better render is long overdue.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I thought Space Nam heavies were dead?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Maybe Reptilian Overlord meant he'd got board of sculpting space nam so wasnt going to do any more for his digital store (eg field artillery/walkers etc, the stuff that's Astra Militarum, but not specifically Catachan as i think he's pretty much already done equivalents to all of those)  I'm guessing this is what WGA have got coming up since these are on the Reptillian Overlords digital store ( https://reptilianoverlords.com/product-category/spacenam/page/2/)
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Post by: modelhunter
Reptilian Overlords stated back on 23 March on their Discord that the SpaceNam Heavy plastic is on hold so that he can put focus on the patreon work.
I was a little sad to hear this as I think his SpaceNam in plastic were great and I would have happily purchased multiple boxes of plastic Heavies.
I just hope he will eventually get time and inspiration to return to the plastic SpaceNam in the near future.
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
legionaires wrote:Ugh seeing the political news, I wish WGA could get the pewter molds for Baron's War into the US.
I know, I just want to pre-order the 2nd edition box from a NA online discount store and no one seems to have it. My go-to is Atomic Empire, which carries an array of wargames Atlantic models, and it is not there.
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
Shrapnelsmile wrote: legionaires wrote:Ugh seeing the political news, I wish WGA could get the pewter molds for Baron's War into the US.
I know, I just want to pre-order the 2nd edition box from a NA online discount store and no one seems to have it. My go-to is Atomic Empire, which carries an array of wargames Atlantic models, and it is not there.
note -- I just noticed / read that preorders don't' start until the 11th.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
There is no change to the plan to release the Spacenam heavy weapons. I think a lot of folks misunderstood what he was trying to say and went into panic mode.
Response to Shattered Union is remarkable. The game will have units of 4-12 miniatures with 6-10 units per side. Unique factions - what are called "Murders" in the game will be many and diverse. Some Core sets (Civilians/Survivors, Operators, Agents, Police) will be available to any player to add to or customize their Murder. Andy Hobday is playtesting the rules now. No dates for release yet although the generic sets will be out as part of our Pulp Adventure range over the next few months.
Classic Fantasy Battles is also moving along at a rapid pace in preparation for the launch of the two player game later this year.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Police hurray!
Hopefully it has both beat cops and SWAT Teams
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Are you serious with that?
I mean, playing insane red hat people sounds hilarious to me, but it might be a little close for comfort for a lot of folks. Especially as it might turn from fiction to reality by the time it's released.
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Post by: legionaires
Wargames Atlantic wrote: legionaires wrote:Ugh seeing the political news, I wish WGA could get the pewter molds for Baron's War into the US.
I don't know what this means? Are you talking about Footsore Miniatures' molds? We have nothing to do with those. They are their own company. If you mean the molds to make plastic they are already in the US...and soon to be in the UK as well.
Yes, I was referring to the Footsore molds. As is I'm afraid I would be hit with a huge tariff for the Outremer models if I ordered now since they are in the UK
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
legionaires wrote: Wargames Atlantic wrote: legionaires wrote:Ugh seeing the political news, I wish WGA could get the pewter molds for Baron's War into the US.
I don't know what this means? Are you talking about Footsore Miniatures' molds? We have nothing to do with those. They are their own company. If you mean the molds to make plastic they are already in the US...and soon to be in the UK as well.
Yes, I was referring to the Footsore molds. As is I'm afraid I would be hit with a huge tariff for the Outremer models if I ordered now since they are in the UK
Well you could just wait for the Outremer plastics!
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Wargames Atlantic wrote:There is no change to the plan to release the Spacenam heavy weapons. I think a lot of folks misunderstood what he was trying to say and went into panic mode.
I don't know if you or Reptilian Overlords would be able to provide some clarity - it's great to see the heavy weapons; will you also be doing a command set, or is that something you can't say anything about yet?
Wargames Atlantic wrote: If you mean the molds to make plastic they are already in the US...and soon to be in the UK as well.
This is incredibly good news (within our niche hobby). When WA had initially said you were bringing production into the US I had thought it was a net benefit but that changed (purely from an ordering for non-yanks perspective, leaving aside anything else) recently. If UK production is going to be set up as well, that'd be great news for those of us in Canada. I don't know if you'd be able to say now whether the plan is to produce EVERYTHING in two places - I would imagine that would get expensive on your business end re: molds quickly.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
We do ship to all our Canadian customers from the UK warehouse already - have CAD-specific pricing - and that generally seems to be going well for everyone.
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Post by: Longstrider
Indeed, and a very good experience it was, too! It's just if the tariff situation intensifies and whatever rules that are deployed includes miniatures manufactured in the USA but not in the UK, it'd personally be helpful for me if WA made stuff in the UK. 
EXTREMELY minor element of a much more complicated issue that has far reaching serious consequences, but I do just like the stuff WA makes.
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Post by: Rihgu
lord_blackfang wrote:Are you serious with that?
I mean, playing insane red hat people sounds hilarious to me, but it might be a little close for comfort for a lot of folks. Especially as it might turn from fiction to reality by the time it's released.
There are people that have been playing the Ukraine-Russia war so I assume there'd be some interest in an ultramodern set in a barely-speculative America
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Post by: insaniak
Wargames Atlantic wrote:Response to Shattered Union is remarkable. The game will have units of 4-12 miniatures with 6-10 units per side. Unique factions - what are called "Murders" in the game will be many and diverse. Some Core sets (Civilians/Survivors, Operators, Agents, Police) will be available to any player to add to or customize their Murder. Andy Hobday is playtesting the rules now. No dates for release yet although the generic sets will be out as part of our Pulp Adventure range over the next few months.
Wait... that wasn't an April Fools gag?
Crikey. That's certainly a choice.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
Longstrider wrote:Indeed, and a very good experience it was, too! It's just if the tariff situation intensifies and whatever rules that are deployed includes miniatures manufactured in the USA but not in the UK, it'd personally be helpful for me if WA made stuff in the UK.
EXTREMELY minor element of a much more complicated issue that has far reaching serious consequences, but I do just like the stuff WA makes.
We are in the process of finding a partner to handle injection in the UK and the first mold bases are being built now for that purpose. Early days, but I suspect later this year you will see boxes in the UK, Canada, Australia, and the EU that say MADE IN THE UK on the bottoms.
Re: Shattered Union. Not everyone's cup of tea but we believe we have a formula for making a very fun, inclusive game that will allow players to be as "real" or as tongue-in-cheek as they would like!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Police hurray!
Hopefully it has both beat cops and SWAT Teams
lord_blackfang wrote:Are you serious with that?
I mean, playing insane red hat people sounds hilarious to me, but it might be a little close for comfort for a lot of folks. Especially as it might turn from fiction to reality by the time it's released.
Absolutely, it's a great generic kit to have. When the zombies/aliens/whatever attack it'll be the cops who respond.
Alternately they can be evil oppressors running for the heroes.
Very useful and no one makes them in plastic.
EDIT or did you mean the Shattered Union game in general? Even if you don't want to play it the kits sound useful for all sorts of games.
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Post by: Eilif
Wargames Atlantic wrote:There is no change to the plan to release the Spacenam heavy weapons. I think a lot of folks misunderstood what he was trying to say and went into panic mode.
Response to Shattered Union is remarkable. The game will have units of 4-12 miniatures with 6-10 units per side. Unique factions - what are called "Murders" in the game will be many and diverse. Some Core sets (Civilians/Survivors, Operators, Agents, Police) will be available to any player to add to or customize their Murder. Andy Hobday is playtesting the rules now. No dates for release yet although the generic sets will be out as part of our Pulp Adventure range over the next few months.
Classic Fantasy Battles is also moving along at a rapid pace in preparation for the launch of the two player game later this year.
lord_blackfang wrote:Are you serious with that?
I mean, playing insane red hat people sounds hilarious to me, but it might be a little close for comfort for a lot of folks. Especially as it might turn from fiction to reality by the time it's released.
This is a very good thing for players of zombie and post- apoc gaming. There used to be a number of affordable sets like this available from Wargames Factory, but when Warlord Games acquired the molds, the price went up 3-4 hundred percent on a per-figures basis.
I realize that some folks might find that the theme hits a bit too close to home given current events (and I completely respect this), but remember that post-nuclear-apocalypse fiction, games and miniatures were coming out during the last decade of the cold war also....
Personally, I keep my apocalypse gaming firmly rooted in zanyness, Mad-Max and zombie movies -and I've got a ton of applicable minis- but I still might find a use for some of these.
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Post by: Piousservant
Good news on the space nam! I had been waiting for the heavy weapons to be available before buying any of the infantry, as they're fairly key option to have imo. Just to clarify then, you're doing the existing heavy weapons in plastic as expected and his comments were specifically about designing any new / further options for the foreseeable future?
Shattered Union is an, um, interesting choice. Not sure the concept would personally appeal into todays climate, but the range of kits that are coming will definitely have a lot of other uses which will be handy. I'd be curious to see whether it's something that ends up doing better in the US or in UK/Europe...!
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Post by: RedRowan
This would be amazing.
Steve
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Post by: legionaires
Wargames Atlantic wrote: legionaires wrote: Wargames Atlantic wrote: legionaires wrote:Ugh seeing the political news, I wish WGA could get the pewter molds for Baron's War into the US.
I don't know what this means? Are you talking about Footsore Miniatures' molds? We have nothing to do with those. They are their own company. If you mean the molds to make plastic they are already in the US...and soon to be in the UK as well.
Yes, I was referring to the Footsore molds. As is I'm afraid I would be hit with a huge tariff for the Outremer models if I ordered now since they are in the UK
Well you could just wait for the Outremer plastics!
Why not both? Seriously I love WGA plastics but sometimes painting metal scratches a different itch and I think it's only fair to throw something at Footsore since they helped get Baron's War off the ground.
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
Question for WGA. What is the design decision behind combined torso/leg bodies? It is rare for plastic minis to be split into torso and leg units which does give the consumer move customization options. The ones I have are the old Human Mercenaries from Mordheim and the Maelstrom's Edge figures, namely The Broken and the Epirian Corporation.
Your kits have one piece bodies as do Northstar, which are the kits I've been buying for the last few years. Now I could see that adding more separate elements complicates sprue layout and flow. For instance, a basic The Broken infantry squad of six comes on four sprues, though one is the weapon sprue and has no body parts. That would be just two sprues for your original Grognards kit, or 1 and a half for your later kits like the Raumjager or Bulldogs. So it's an added expense for Maelstrom's Edge.
This is not a complaint, but just curiosity.
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Post by: Easy E
Shattered Union reminds me of a more modern and US-base version of A Very British Civil War. That was a fictional UK-based civil war in the UK just before WWII.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
 Ancestral Hamster wrote:Question for WGA. What is the design decision behind combined torso/leg bodies? It is rare for plastic minis to be split into torso and leg units which does give the consumer move customization options. The ones I have are the old Human Mercenaries from Mordheim and the Maelstrom's Edge figures, namely The Broken and the Epirian Corporation.
Your kits have one piece bodies as do Northstar, which are the kits I've been buying for the last few years. Now I could see that adding more separate elements complicates sprue layout and flow. For instance, a basic The Broken infantry squad of six comes on four sprues, though one is the weapon sprue and has no body parts. That would be just two sprues for your original Grognards kit, or 1 and a half for your later kits like the Raumjager or Bulldogs. So it's an added expense for Maelstrom's Edge.
This is not a complaint, but just curiosity.
It depends on the set - for example the upcoming Expanse Crew set has split toros/legs.
But in general it comes down to a few considerations. These are the reasons I generally don't have split ones:
1. It doesn't add anything - for example if it's a WW2 soldier in a uniform probably not as they all dress the same and mixing and matching does nothing for variety.
2. It lets people make stupid poses that are too twisted from one side or the other and ultimately the figure looks bad
3. Most "normal" movement poses can be achieved in a few one piece bodies (see #2)
4. It more than doubles the parts on the frame and in plastic tooling you need at least 5mm around each part and then xmm between parts - so you're just eating up frame space that could be used for other parts
5. It complicates assembly - yes, sounds dumb but there are many people who don't like the assembly part of making plastic figures so they complain if there are more parts
Anyway, there are probably things I'm forgetting but those are the ones that come to mind .
While I'm here - BW2 on sale tomorrow! Quar Command boxes on sale tomorrow! More on Classic Fantasy Battles next week! Maybe some sneak peeks of more Shattered Union soon. And we're working on some VSF! Also a ton of other stuff. Like usual.
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Post by: Ancestral Hamster
Re: WGA. Thank you for the reply.
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Post by: McDougall Designs
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Post by: Jack Flask
Wargames Atlantic wrote:
5. It complicates assembly - yes, sounds dumb but there are many people who don't like the assembly part of making plastic figures so they complain if there are more parts
I'd say this is applicable to hobbyists of all varieties, not just those who hate assembly. I love the building and kitbashing part of miniatures the most but there are so many old plastic kits where in order to facilitate ball joints or domed torso connection they had to split a body into front torso - back torso - legs.
That's 2-3x the sprue gates you need to clean and a much higher chance that over time the mold will wear away causing mold slips and gaps in the finished assembly. It honestly just becomes a hassle past the first few figures.
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Post by: Prometheum5
Super excited to be getting a copy of Baron's War 2nd Edition for my birthday later this month. I didn't see anywhere how 2E works with the expansions, will those books also need to be updated to be compatible? I really want to get Death and Taxes and do Robin Hood scenarios.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
On facebook they've said Are either of the two original expansion periods (Viking et al and Outremer) covered in the new rule book, please?
no, they are not. The second edition is a second edition of the original rulebook. We will be issuing a free bridging PDF so you can use the current supplements until they are replaced.
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Post by: legionaires
 Prometheum5 wrote:Super excited to be getting a copy of Baron's War 2nd Edition for my birthday later this month. I didn't see anywhere how 2E works with the expansions, will those books also need to be updated to be compatible? I really want to get Death and Taxes and do Robin Hood scenarios.
I'm hoping for some Christi Militi Monks as well since the Outremer teaser.
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
I'm so stoked for The Baron's war 2nd E, a friend wants to try it. That's enough right there for me to buy and paint. I love this time period.
Still waiting for my 10mm orc horde to ship from back east, wish I could paint that this weekend. So much good stuff. A nice dilemma to have.
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Post by: Wargames Atlantic
A look at what's in this big ole box:
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Will those terrain sprues ever be available separately?
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Post by: callidusx3
Shrapnelsmile wrote:I'm so stoked for The Baron's war 2nd E, a friend wants to try it. That's enough right there for me to buy and paint. I love this time period.
Still waiting for my 10mm orc horde to ship from back east, wish I could paint that this weekend. So much good stuff. A nice dilemma to have.
I’ve never seen, let alone tried, tried Baron’ War. About what is range of the model count for a typical battle? And size of the table for such a battle?
Very much looking forward to more 10mm armies from WA. The Japanese are awesome.
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Post by: Prometheum5
I'd love to see the warband formation rules and start list building. I have a big batch of Perry knights based and ready for use in a couple games.
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Post by: RedRowan
callidusx3 wrote:I’ve never seen, let alone tried, tried Baron’ War. About what is range of the model count for a typical battle? And size of the table for such a battle?
A 500 point starter force would average around 25 models and the standard table size is 4' x 3' but you can scale that up if you have more miniatures.
If you look for 7th Son on Youtube he has recently done an unboxing of the new 2nd Edition box and includes a quick look at the Getting Stared guide which features two starter lists for the figures in the box.
Steve
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
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Charlie has built the Damned backers an easter treat
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Heck yea that was worth the delay to redesign.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Oh wow, that's a simple but elegant APC. Even I want one and 99% of what I work on these days is fantasy.
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Post by: Gallahad
Very cool APC.
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Post by: insaniak
Yup, I really like that.
Hoping there's a panel to close up the hole if you don't want the front gun, but would be an easy enough fix if not.
Looking forward to adapting this for my MEdge Epirians...
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Post by: modelhunter
WGA have done well with this kit.
Can't wait to get my hands on it as there will be so many possibilities with the different gaming systems.
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Post by: Banelord300
New Taurox proxy is looking great
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Post by: Shadox
I like that a lot and am heavily tempted to use it with the Necromunda vehicle rules.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
That is a pretty nice design.
I didn't care at the time but I have to say it's start to pull my attention in now seeing it in physical form.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Lovely APC!
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Post by: Perfect Organism
I'm going to go against the crowd and continue to be underwhelmed by the APC. The nicest things I can say about it is that it looks better than many other designs on the market (but that's a low bar), it seems to have a lot of options, and it fits well with the aesthetic of the army. However, it's just about the most boring design possible, and there are many places where it could easily have been improved. Tweak the wheel layout so they aren't as cramped. Add a step to the mud-guard so you can actually climb down from the side door. Mould a bit of detail into the inside of the hatch so it seems like there is a way to close it. What are those 'brackets' on the front edges meant to be, other than a call-out to the random bits of metal bolted onto other Damned gear? Why does the cab stick out like that other than to add random detail? How does the driver see behind or to the side? Why doesn't the pintle-mounted gun seem able to traverse? None of these things are deal-breakers, but together they chip away at my enthusiasm.
By comparison, the original Terrae Motus design still had a lot of issues, but at least it came with some real personality.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Fair point on the inside of the hatch (i guess i'm so used to having to detail these myself on older 1/35 tank kits i didn't notice it)
The pintle mount may need tweeking too (but it could just be the photo or build not showing the pivot which i'd have at the bottom of the arm)
I wonder if the brackets are there to add structural support for gluing ? If not easy enough to leave off
As to the cab sticking out i'd say it's to provided the driver somewhere to sit with the engine being behind him based on the exhausts and vents in the roof, plenty of real world APCs & Tanks had and have terrible direct vision, easy enough for the driver to have vision screens
Edit: [personal head canon, it was a civilian truck designed to have a single driver on the left, but the damned needed to add a second seat for a gunner and third seat for the commander and plenty of ammo storage, hence the driver was moved to an added on armoured box on the engine side]
The British Alvis Stalwart army truck this is heavily inspired by didn't have any steps or even a side door (you scrambled up via the wheels then in via the top hatch) but as you say it might be good to add some, or perhaps cut the guard away under the door implying a ladder unfolds from the door when it opens
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Post by: legionaires
I find the Mauler a touch plain and boring, which is to say perfect as a blank canvas of a vehicle hull. I think what the Mauler is missing is the gubbins and stowage that convey use.
Glad I got one in the crowd funding and thank goodness we finally have a hull for kitbashing again.
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Post by: ZergSmasher
Are there going to be multiple gun options for the APC? Sorry if it was discussed earlier and I missed it.
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Post by: Perfect Organism
 ZergSmasher wrote:Are there going to be multiple gun options for the APC? Sorry if it was discussed earlier and I missed it.
The sprues can be seen at: https://gamefound.com/en/projects/mwg--wargames-atlantic/the-damned/updates/74
In short, there are weapon options, but not a huge number of them. Multi-barrel flamethrower (i.e. a heavy flamer) or howitzer / grenade launcher / heavy bolter in the front hull. Machine gun / heavy stubber or minigun / rotary cannon / Gatling gun (presumably meant to serve as a multi-laser stand-in) on the pintle mount.
However, I believe that the plan (at least at one stage, see update 53) was for the option to mount heavy weapons teams and/or artillery weapons on the truck bed of the open version. That opens up the possibility of fielding it as a mortar-carrier (i.e. Gryphon or Wyvern substitute) or gun-truck (which might work for a GSC Goliath truck or Chimera with autocannon or heavy bolter in the 'turret').
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Post by: ScarletRose
I like the flatbed a lot more than the armored version, but the rear of the cab being just a flat panel seems weird.
I know it's to conserve parts count,it just seems like it should have some rivets, hatch, vision slits, etc.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Yea the flat rear is underwhelming to be sure
Gonna have to print some hatches and gak to stick there
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Post by: Smokestack
Charlie actually commented about this to your post on the update.
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4/24/2025 12:18 PM
Flat back of the cabin is a bit odd on the open version, guess I'll print some hatches and stowage to put on it
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4/24/2025 12:52 PM
Ah! There’s a gun rack on one of the sprues which is meant to go there. My bad!
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Post by: Werkrobotwerk
I like it a lot better with the flatbed than the enclosed interior.
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Post by: modelhunter
I think these kits are fantastic and will have so many possibilities with different game systems to use both enclosed and open.
I looking forward to my pledge arriving (hopefully soon).
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Post by: insaniak
I actually prefer the enclosed version, but the flatbed is nice.
And there's a lot of potential for future add-ons. I'd love to see a small turret to replace the cupola.
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Post by: Smokestack
Saw this on Facebook, and then in the newsletter. People speculating it's the halfling cavalry. I like them. I hope the final kit has the helmet option from the digital set. (second picture)
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Post by: legionaires
So are we getting close on the Damned campaign shipping? I just need to know if I need to clear a spot for the box to live for awhile, haha
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