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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/01 13:16:58


Post by: chaos0xomega


They are leaving so much money on the table by just joking around about this


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/01 13:20:54


Post by: JimmyWolf87


chaos0xomega wrote:
They are leaving so much money on the table by just joking around about this


I do think that the eventual Famine-related Eldritch faction might have a similar sort of vibe but the fishgnomes themselves are just a bit too silly to have an actual place in the setting they've built. Happily see this sculpt (or a small batch) released as a novelty set but I can't see how they'd seriously put them in the game.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/01 14:01:49


Post by: auticus


I really hope to hell that fish gnomes stay as a joke idea.

We already have one game with flying eels and turtles.

Ultra high magic the gathering fantasy is already well served in many games.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/01 14:09:48


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


release them i'll buy them (not need to include them in the game if they don't want to)


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/01 15:26:44


Post by: Theophony


If they wanted to bilk people for money they could release one a month as an "Order $100.00 or more from the website and get 1 free" collectible.

I'm sure they would make some revenue that way. Hook line and sinker

Or as tournament prizes. possibly even just for competing in the tournament you'd get one.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/04 13:14:40


Post by: Carlovonsexron


 auticus wrote:
I really hope to hell that fish gnomes stay as a joke idea.

We already have one game with flying eels and turtles.

Ultra high magic the gathering fantasy is already well served in many games.


IDK- I think they are a great take on Lovecraft's "Deep Ones", even if was unintentional. (Or maybe it wasn't?)


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/04 13:19:16


Post by: Inquisitor Gideon


 auticus wrote:
I really hope to hell that fish gnomes stay as a joke idea.

We already have one game with flying eels and turtles.

Ultra high magic the gathering fantasy is already well served in many games.


When you've got dwarves riding giant lizards with comically over-sized cannons strapped to its sides, you're already well into that territory.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/04 13:28:18


Post by: chaos0xomega


Yeah, don't really see what about fish gnomes doesn't already fit the established vibe of the lore and setting. Don't really see whats silly about them, they could have been made to look very silly, but instead they look appropriately grimdark and mildly terrifying.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/04 13:29:41


Post by: Gir Spirit Bane


 auticus wrote:
I really hope to hell that fish gnomes stay as a joke idea.

We already have one game with flying eels and turtles.

Ultra high magic the gathering fantasy is already well served in many games.


Spoiler:




Yeah I'm going to be blunt, Conquest IS ultra high magic fantasy and I will not be convinced otherwise.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/04 13:59:05


Post by: chaos0xomega


I see the low vs high fantasy debate from WHFB has finally made it to Conquest, I think that means the game has hit the big tie.

Maybe the low fantasy crowd should just take their lumps and go play ASOIF, seems to be the most reliably "low" fantasy option out there (though granted it still has hints of high fantasy present).


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/04 14:01:40


Post by: lord_blackfang


How did nobody photoshop "real-firing nerf missiles" on that drake yet, that's the real mystery.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/04/12 12:18:17


Post by: Sasorijap


Previews from recent Happy Hour

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/04 11:13:46


Post by: Sasorijap


Monster size comparison

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/04 11:19:05


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


You can tell that they improved their modeling skills over time. The Apex and the Ice Jotan looks so much better than the Abomination and the other Jotan.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/04 16:13:56


Post by: manic _miner


The Ice Jotun is a resin kit compared to the other Jotun which is the plastic one.Which would explain the difference in the looks.I think it is harder to get a good look with plastic kits and they do seem to be improving with each new release.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/04 16:18:21


Post by: Sacredroach


I really like the dinosaur swarms...they would make perfect mounts for the FishGnomes...


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/05 09:56:08


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Yeah the raptor swarms are pretty cute. I like them.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/05 14:47:43


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Sasorijap wrote:
Monster size comparison
Hm, that image makes the Hellbringer look a lot larger than it really is. I think they are trying to set up a progression-style pic but the reality is the Apex Predator is a superior kit in quality & value.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/05 17:18:49


Post by: chaos0xomega


They lined it up based on release order, The Apex Predator is the superior kit because it was sculpted and tooled after the Hellbringer Drake, but released before it because of various production delays associated with the Drake. Their positions should be swapped.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/05 20:52:06


Post by: NinthMusketeer


chaos0xomega wrote:
They lined it up based on release order, The Apex Predator is the superior kit because it was sculpted and tooled after the Hellbringer Drake, but released before it because of various production delays associated with the Drake. Their positions should be swapped.
Yup.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/06 11:35:41


Post by: Sasorijap


Yes the Hellbringer should be next to the Mountain Jotnar. It was probably the last of the old scultps that wasn't released. Everything from now one should be completely new.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/11 11:41:28


Post by: Sasorijap


They updated the Fallen Divinity with a painted version

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/11 19:14:16


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Hm, I will withhold judgement until we get more images/360, don't feel like I have a good sense of the model from just that.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/11 22:25:25


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Hm, I will withhold judgement until we get more images/360, don't feel like I have a good sense of the model from just that.


360 link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL3idEfQSoY


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/12 01:06:34


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Dam, it confirms my concern that it is a bunch of really cool parts put together in a manner which simply looks bland to me. I just see a mash of different themes thrown in without a cohesive concept. Coupled with the inevitable price tag* it isn't looking good from my perspective. Entirely subjective though, maybe I'm the odd one out.

*Unfortunate that PB is going towards GW price levels so quickly.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/12 01:47:42


Post by: chaos0xomega


Well, up until 3-6 months ago they were probably operating at a loss (and quite possibly still could be) - including offering various entires into the game by way of what were almost certainly true loss-leaders. It could be that the established community has finally hit whatever threshold they needed for them to feel they hit "critical mass" and the games growth will now be a function of its size rather than the cost-effectiveness of getting into it... or it could be that their accountant told them they were heading towards bankruptcy if they didn't set more realistic price points.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/12 18:08:16


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I'm sure GW sets 'realistic price points' too.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/12 19:45:36


Post by: lord_blackfang


I'm just not sure what the zombie dogs have to do with anything


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/12 20:23:35


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


chaos0xomega wrote:
Well, up until 3-6 months ago they were probably operating at a loss (and quite possibly still could be) - including offering various entires into the game by way of what were almost certainly true loss-leaders. It could be that the established community has finally hit whatever threshold they needed for them to feel they hit "critical mass" and the games growth will now be a function of its size rather than the cost-effectiveness of getting into it... or it could be that their accountant told them they were heading towards bankruptcy if they didn't set more realistic price points.


They should hire Wargames Atlantic’s accountant, then. He seems to know more about selling miniatures.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 01:11:26


Post by: chaos0xomega


WA is selling generic miniatures that anyone can use across a huge cross section of games, PB is sellinga game and miniatures very specifically for that game.

The two are not the same.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 03:33:38


Post by: NinthMusketeer


For me it is just about product vs price. Does the quality & quantity of miniatures I am getting justify the price paid? Certainly I am willing to give a new company/small business some benefit of the doubt, but PB is out of that grace period and quite explicitly aiming to be one of the bigger things out there--that means they are going to be compared as such.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 05:58:35


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


chaos0xomega wrote:
WA is selling generic miniatures that anyone can use across a huge cross section of games, PB is sellinga game and miniatures very specifically for that game.

The two are not the same.

To me, it sounds like Conquest has a smaller, more delicate target customer base. Shouldn’t they try to make the product more appealing outside of a narrow niche rather than less appealing?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 06:30:36


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Dunno if it's been mentioned here, top four lists from Adepticon:

https://www.para-bellum.com/adepticon-2022-final-four-tournament-lists/

Nice to see how well-rounded they all are, at least within the admittedly narrow confines of only models that have been officially released. I like that there are both combined arms and more specialized forces showing up. Hope to see it continue.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 07:39:30


Post by: Sasorijap


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1482076494

There was a Lore Happy Hour yesterday. They talked about upcoming factions.
To sum it up:

City States (Steampunk Greeks, coming next year)
Weaver Courts (Spires that infused with nature)
Sorcerer Kings (Arabic themed math wizards)
Famine (Cosmic horror Chulhu faction)

At the end they also hinted Hel and High Asgard.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 15:04:45


Post by: chaos0xomega


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
For me it is just about product vs price. Does the quality & quantity of miniatures I am getting justify the price paid? Certainly I am willing to give a new company/small business some benefit of the doubt, but PB is out of that grace period and quite explicitly aiming to be one of the bigger things out there--that means they are going to be compared as such.


If they're being compared to "one of the bigger things out there", then the point of comparison is Games Workshop, not Wargames Atlantic (which is still an extremely small new company), and in that regards PB is competitive.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
WA is selling generic miniatures that anyone can use across a huge cross section of games, PB is sellinga game and miniatures very specifically for that game.

The two are not the same.

To me, it sounds like Conquest has a smaller, more delicate target customer base. Shouldn’t they try to make the product more appealing outside of a narrow niche rather than less appealing?


PBs product is a game, not miniatures. Wargames Atlantics product is miniatures, not a game. Two completely different business models and target markets and audiences. PB is trying to develop a specific community, following, and brand linked to a specific franchise and IP they have developed. Wargames Atlantic is ultimately just pushing plastic.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 16:13:55


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Perhaps I have a distorted view from reading Auticus’ posts as indicative of the community’s opinions, but haven’t they been losing the gamer crowd?

Also, getting shades of Medge, Antares, Mythic Americas, Warcaster neo Mechanika, Dust Warfare, Project Z and all the other “selling the game” games.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 16:25:24


Post by: Rihgu


I've seen the game generally growing in online communities, but shrinking in my own community - in part due to the game itself being sloppily managed. Can't say price point has been a particular problem, but rules being generally sloppy and it being an "actual rule"(or policy, more like) that discord posts by people with special colored names are RAW until said otherwise has caused people to shy away towards more gamey-games.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 16:44:52


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Perhaps I have a distorted view from reading Auticus’ posts as indicative of the community’s opinions, but haven’t they been losing the gamer crowd?

Also, getting shades of Medge, Antares, Mythic Americas, Warcaster neo Mechanika, Dust Warfare, Project Z and all the other “selling the game” games.
I don't say this lightly; do not take Auticus' posts, predictions, or stat breakdowns as anything more than his personal opinion. Whatever analytical methods he uses end up being wrong so often they are of no practical use, and his personal perspective is skewed to say the least.


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 Rihgu wrote:
I've seen the game generally growing in online communities, but shrinking in my own community - in part due to the game itself being sloppily managed. Can't say price point has been a particular problem, but rules being generally sloppy and it being an "actual rule"(or policy, more like) that discord posts by people with special colored names are RAW until said otherwise has caused people to shy away towards more gamey-games.
Yeah, I know I tried to communicate to them more than once that the sloppy rules writing was a serious problem but I was brushed off. Though to clarify; the game is great, it's the instructions on how to play it that are bad. My advice is to just stick with whatever is on the official documents and disregard anything else.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 16:54:52


Post by: Rihgu


 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:
I've seen the game generally growing in online communities, but shrinking in my own community - in part due to the game itself being sloppily managed. Can't say price point has been a particular problem, but rules being generally sloppy and it being an "actual rule"(or policy, more like) that discord posts by people with special colored names are RAW until said otherwise has caused people to shy away towards more gamey-games.
Yeah, I know I tried to communicate to them more than once that the sloppy rules writing was a serious problem but I was brushed off. Though to clarify; the game is great, it's the instructions on how to play it that are bad. My advice is to just stick with whatever is on the official documents and disregard anything else.

Agreed on all counts. I try to stress the importance of updating RAW to match Discord rulings but get brushed off a lot. There is at least 2 vanguards taking this pretty seriously and as I understand it internally pushing for it, so I'm hoping the next few updates will clear up a lot of the issues.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 16:58:08


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I'm getting to a point where I may just re-write the whole ruleset (not change any rules, just write them in a way that makes sense) because it would take less effort for me to do that than continually re-explain rules in my local community.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 17:32:50


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm getting to a point where I may just re-write the whole ruleset (not change any rules, just write them in a way that makes sense) because it would take less effort for me to do that than continually re-explain rules in my local community.


Flashbacks to the great debate as to what constitutes a centre of a square
Shiver

Yeah absolutely, some rules are just amazingly sloppily put together tbh.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/13 21:15:20


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm getting to a point where I may just re-write the whole ruleset (not change any rules, just write them in a way that makes sense) because it would take less effort for me to do that than continually re-explain rules in my local community.


Flashbacks to the great debate as to what constitutes a centre of a square
Shiver

Yeah absolutely, some rules are just amazingly sloppily put together tbh.
Center of a square or rectangle is easy, but what about a unit with uneven ranks? What is the center of a unit with 3 in the front rank and 1 in the rear? Presumably one would draw the center as if the back rank was full since that is the only practical way to do it, but rules as written...


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/14 18:32:52


Post by: chaos0xomega


My small nascent local group thankfully hasn't really encountered the issues you guys speak of. None of us are on the discord (and so haven't encountered the ruling you guys are referring to) - if we can't find clarification in official supporting documentation we mutually agree to a solution that feels right, with the acknowledgement that its a problem with the game itself that will hopefully be addressed by the authors at a future date.

This sort of thing is more or less a problem caused by modern technology - there was a time when rulesets with unclear instruction couldn't be patched in realtime by the authors (or their designated henchmen) via online channels or issued out to the community via an online FAQ, etc. In those days, short of writing a letter to the author (which was encouraged by rulesets which featured mailing addresses for the authors) to get clarification, it was up to your local playgroup to make up an agreed upon houserule. Ultimately the discord clarifications by vanguards or whatever is just an overglorified houserule and not one that is universally recognized (my local group is hardly the only one out there that has no discord presence) - feel free to ignore them and fix the problems you encounter locally.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/14 18:52:50


Post by: caladancid


The problem the above brain trust is discussing is one hundred percent not a real problem except the very small subset of folks living on discord.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 00:35:03


Post by: NinthMusketeer


chaos0xomega wrote:
My small nascent local group thankfully hasn't really encountered the issues you guys speak of. None of us are on the discord (and so haven't encountered the ruling you guys are referring to) - if we can't find clarification in official supporting documentation we mutually agree to a solution that feels right, with the acknowledgement that its a problem with the game itself that will hopefully be addressed by the authors at a future date.
And really the Conquest ruleset works totally fine because of this. The actual rules issues are generally solved with a bit of common sense (see above) which won't work if Conquest wants to move more towards tournaments being a thing but are plenty good enough for regular people playing regular games.

The real problem is the wording. Even rules that are mechanically airtight often end up explained in such a convoluted fashion the average person needs to read it twice. That is before getting into counterintuitive elements or places where complexity has been artificially created (line of sight for shooting comes to mind). The bedrock, how the rules work and how gameplay unfolds, are excellent. A few rough edges sure, but overall a very well designed game. That is the hardest part and something PB does quite well--making it all the more mystifying that they could mess up so badly on the comparatively simple task of explaining those rules.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 00:40:41


Post by: auticus


I don't say this lightly; do not take Auticus' posts, predictions, or stat breakdowns as anything more than his personal opinion. Whatever analytical methods he uses end up being wrong so often they are of no practical use, and his personal perspective is skewed to say the least.


While everything anyone says is their own personal opinion, you better have some backup of all the things that I am "frequently wrong about" other than your own skewed and biased opinion or you may soon find out about slander and how you can be held accountable for it.

Even when you think you are anonymous behind a keyboard on the internet.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 01:31:00


Post by: ERJAK


 auticus wrote:
I don't say this lightly; do not take Auticus' posts, predictions, or stat breakdowns as anything more than his personal opinion. Whatever analytical methods he uses end up being wrong so often they are of no practical use, and his personal perspective is skewed to say the least.


While everything anyone says is their own personal opinion, you better have some backup of all the things that I am "frequently wrong about" other than your own skewed and biased opinion or you may soon find out about slander and how you can be held accountable for it.

Even when you think you are anonymous behind a keyboard on the internet.


"Pit of shades is the best Daughters of Khaine spell because it does mortal wounds!"


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 02:15:11


Post by: caladancid


 auticus wrote:
I don't say this lightly; do not take Auticus' posts, predictions, or stat breakdowns as anything more than his personal opinion. Whatever analytical methods he uses end up being wrong so often they are of no practical use, and his personal perspective is skewed to say the least.


While everything anyone says is their own personal opinion, you better have some backup of all the things that I am "frequently wrong about" other than your own skewed and biased opinion or you may soon find out about slander and how you can be held accountable for it.

Even when you think you are anonymous behind a keyboard on the internet.


Lol. Now this is prime. I mean, the person you are quoting is on my block list for a reason, but this statement is laughably internet tough guy strong. Also they are right. Your wounded pride that PB didn't feel you deserved as much praise and credit as you thought you did when the game was brand new is really old. Probably should step away or chill out.



Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 03:18:18


Post by: Rihgu


chaos0xomega wrote:
My small nascent local group thankfully hasn't really encountered the issues you guys speak of. None of us are on the discord (and so haven't encountered the ruling you guys are referring to) - if we can't find clarification in official supporting documentation we mutually agree to a solution that feels right, with the acknowledgement that its a problem with the game itself that will hopefully be addressed by the authors at a future date.

This sort of thing is more or less a problem caused by modern technology - there was a time when rulesets with unclear instruction couldn't be patched in realtime by the authors (or their designated henchmen) via online channels or issued out to the community via an online FAQ, etc. In those days, short of writing a letter to the author (which was encouraged by rulesets which featured mailing addresses for the authors) to get clarification, it was up to your local playgroup to make up an agreed upon houserule. Ultimately the discord clarifications by vanguards or whatever is just an overglorified houserule and not one that is universally recognized (my local group is hardly the only one out there that has no discord presence) - feel free to ignore them and fix the problems you encounter locally.


That just makes it the opposite problem. Instead:
A: Okay, I do this for my turn.
B: Actually, that came up on Discord and the PB staff clarified it actually works this way.
A: uh, that's directly contradictory to the rules text?
B: I know, but the green name said it
A: Is it in an FAQ document?
B: No, but the green name said it.
A: Ooookay. I... will go play ASOIAF.

It is:
A: I asked on Discord the other day and PB staff told me it works like this.
B: Ah, we don't do that here.
A: do what?
B: We play by RAW/have our own house rules.
A: So... you don't play Conquest as the devs intend it?
B: No.
A: Okay... I think I'll just go play ASOIAF.

It works for a small play group but is painful for a group trying to grow.

edit: to be clear, when it's just me and my 2 buds playing we play the way we like to play. That doesn't work when we play "public games".


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 04:15:13


Post by: auticus


caladancid wrote:
 auticus wrote:
I don't say this lightly; do not take Auticus' posts, predictions, or stat breakdowns as anything more than his personal opinion. Whatever analytical methods he uses end up being wrong so often they are of no practical use, and his personal perspective is skewed to say the least.


While everything anyone says is their own personal opinion, you better have some backup of all the things that I am "frequently wrong about" other than your own skewed and biased opinion or you may soon find out about slander and how you can be held accountable for it.

Even when you think you are anonymous behind a keyboard on the internet.


Lol. Now this is prime. I mean, the person you are quoting is on my block list for a reason, but this statement is laughably internet tough guy strong. Also they are right. Your wounded pride that PB didn't feel you deserved as much praise and credit as you thought you did when the game was brand new is really old. Probably should step away or chill out.



I am not sure where you are coming from about my wounded pride about me not deserving praise and credit. I certainly have never voiced any of that or where any of this is coming from since none of that was even being talked about. I was a paid affiliate and at the top of the vanguard tier structure; if I have any problems with PB - not being given credit or whatever was certainly not one of them.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 05:21:29


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Evidence? Well let's compare something from earlier in this very thread to those tourney lists:
 auticus wrote:
This isn't about cavalry bonusees overperforming.

Its an added bonus. it doesn't have to be overperforming. Its still greater than zero impact, while infantry gets zero impact from it.

As an item greater than zero, it becomes more desirable. From a powergamer's perspective, thats all it takes to spam. An item with 0 in the column vs an item with a value > 0 in the column will be on paper more attractive depending on the point cost associated.

Cavalry and brutes in addition to the impact hit bonus have the added speed bonus to get to objectives fast, which is the prime game for almost all of the scenarios.

Cavalry brutes in addition to those two factors do not degrade their attacks like infantry does.

There are many factors that go into why cavalry and brutes outperform infantry and make them more desirable from a powergamer's perspective.

Once the tournament meta starts churning, this is how games become all about that one thing in the long run.

Or further back, when characters were going to be dominating the scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plCVLomM3t8&t=1011s at 16:30 is when he begins speaking on the topic). Or when PB asked Auticus not to focus on the negative when representing the game as a Vanguard and he decried that as them asking him to lie when they were just asking him, as someone who signed up to promote the game, to promote the game. I recall one of my first red flags was when he did a video reviewing the Fire Forged stats when the models first came out, and suggested they were a bit underpowered; the unit was subsequently nerfed, in essence going from a 2+ save to a 3+, because of how overpowered it was.


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caladancid wrote:
I mean, the person you are quoting is on my block list for a reason
For the record, I can think of several bad reasons for this to be the case but also quite a lot of good ones. I'm hardly proud of my own post history and am sorry you had a bad experience.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 06:18:58


Post by: auticus


Yes. Those are my opinions.

You've just pointed out water is wet and the sky is blue.

Those are in fact my opinions. Thats the whole point of doing content videos - to post opinions. Shocking - sometimes opinions are wrong. If you actually watched my videos other than cherry picking what you want to get your rocks off you'll find probably a half dozen instances of me talking about those stats and how they aren't the whole story. The whole reason I did that series was because individuals such as yourself cherry pick the things you want to - and I wanted to make it crystal clear about the whole tangible vs intangible thing and how I double underlined that in the presentation itself about how those cannot be the whole story.

Also your take on what happened in those private conversations between myself and PB and the conversation you are trying to parade around as if you know what happened and are privy to that conversation are laughable at best and are a gross distortion of the communication that occurred - of which you have zero content and zero inkling and are just running your little mouth like you like to do.

Keep my name out of your mouth / keyboard. There is zero reason why you should have been talking about me at this point in this thread other than to troll.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 17:46:56


Post by: cole1114


Good lord, the entire news & rumours section feels full of fights today. Every thread i've opened so far had an ongoing argument.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 18:13:16


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 cole1114 wrote:
Good lord, the entire news & rumours section feels full of fights today. Every thread i've opened so far had an ongoing argument.


That's true for any given day.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 19:09:49


Post by: chaos0xomega


 Rihgu wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
My small nascent local group thankfully hasn't really encountered the issues you guys speak of. None of us are on the discord (and so haven't encountered the ruling you guys are referring to) - if we can't find clarification in official supporting documentation we mutually agree to a solution that feels right, with the acknowledgement that its a problem with the game itself that will hopefully be addressed by the authors at a future date.

This sort of thing is more or less a problem caused by modern technology - there was a time when rulesets with unclear instruction couldn't be patched in realtime by the authors (or their designated henchmen) via online channels or issued out to the community via an online FAQ, etc. In those days, short of writing a letter to the author (which was encouraged by rulesets which featured mailing addresses for the authors) to get clarification, it was up to your local playgroup to make up an agreed upon houserule. Ultimately the discord clarifications by vanguards or whatever is just an overglorified houserule and not one that is universally recognized (my local group is hardly the only one out there that has no discord presence) - feel free to ignore them and fix the problems you encounter locally.


That just makes it the opposite problem. Instead:
A: Okay, I do this for my turn.
B: Actually, that came up on Discord and the PB staff clarified it actually works this way.
A: uh, that's directly contradictory to the rules text?
B: I know, but the green name said it
A: Is it in an FAQ document?
B: No, but the green name said it.
A: Ooookay. I... will go play ASOIAF.

It is:
A: I asked on Discord the other day and PB staff told me it works like this.
B: Ah, we don't do that here.
A: do what?
B: We play by RAW/have our own house rules.
A: So... you don't play Conquest as the devs intend it?
B: No.
A: Okay... I think I'll just go play ASOIAF.

It works for a small play group but is painful for a group trying to grow.

edit: to be clear, when it's just me and my 2 buds playing we play the way we like to play. That doesn't work when we play "public games".


Yeah, no. The only "outsiders" we've had show up to play with our group are similarly not on discord and mostly had interpreted the rules uncertainties the same way we did (and where they didn't we ended up splitting the difference and agreeing with their view on a bunch and they ended up agreeing with us on a bunch). Otherwise everyone else here is "local" - they either started as part of the group that decided to play Conquest, or they joined us afterwards as a result of us pushing the game. Not everyone hooks in directly to social media channels on these games, in fact I would say it seems that most do not.

Also "green name on discord said it" != "as the devs intended it".


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auticus wrote:


Keep my name out of your mouth / keyboard. There is zero reason why you should have been talking about me at this point in this thread other than to troll.


Will Smith!!?? I figured you might be into the hobby after seeing White Dwarf in Enemy of the State, but I didn't think you were this deep in.



Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 21:31:02


Post by: Rihgu


chaos0xomega wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
My small nascent local group thankfully hasn't really encountered the issues you guys speak of. None of us are on the discord (and so haven't encountered the ruling you guys are referring to) - if we can't find clarification in official supporting documentation we mutually agree to a solution that feels right, with the acknowledgement that its a problem with the game itself that will hopefully be addressed by the authors at a future date.

This sort of thing is more or less a problem caused by modern technology - there was a time when rulesets with unclear instruction couldn't be patched in realtime by the authors (or their designated henchmen) via online channels or issued out to the community via an online FAQ, etc. In those days, short of writing a letter to the author (which was encouraged by rulesets which featured mailing addresses for the authors) to get clarification, it was up to your local playgroup to make up an agreed upon houserule. Ultimately the discord clarifications by vanguards or whatever is just an overglorified houserule and not one that is universally recognized (my local group is hardly the only one out there that has no discord presence) - feel free to ignore them and fix the problems you encounter locally.


That just makes it the opposite problem. Instead:
A: Okay, I do this for my turn.
B: Actually, that came up on Discord and the PB staff clarified it actually works this way.
A: uh, that's directly contradictory to the rules text?
B: I know, but the green name said it
A: Is it in an FAQ document?
B: No, but the green name said it.
A: Ooookay. I... will go play ASOIAF.

It is:
A: I asked on Discord the other day and PB staff told me it works like this.
B: Ah, we don't do that here.
A: do what?
B: We play by RAW/have our own house rules.
A: So... you don't play Conquest as the devs intend it?
B: No.
A: Okay... I think I'll just go play ASOIAF.

It works for a small play group but is painful for a group trying to grow.

edit: to be clear, when it's just me and my 2 buds playing we play the way we like to play. That doesn't work when we play "public games".


Yeah, no. The only "outsiders" we've had show up to play with our group are similarly not on discord and mostly had interpreted the rules uncertainties the same way we did (and where they didn't we ended up splitting the difference and agreeing with their view on a bunch and they ended up agreeing with us on a bunch). Otherwise everyone else here is "local" - they either started as part of the group that decided to play Conquest, or they joined us afterwards as a result of us pushing the game. Not everyone hooks in directly to social media channels on these games, in fact I would say it seems that most do not.

Also "green name on discord said it" != "as the devs intended it".

That's great for you, but does not match my lived experience.

Also,

3) If the question persists then please know that answers that come from members of the
Para Bellum team @Retail Relationship Team @Conquest Relationship Manager @Community Manager
always supercede and are considered official and final until later revision by the team.


(Retail Relationship Team is a green name)
There official rules are literally that a green name's word is law until it hits a PDF. It's emphasized multiple times that green names *are* PB staff, and PB are the devs. Therefore, if a green name makes a ruling, as part of the dev team, that is as the devs intend it.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 21:58:34


Post by: chaos0xomega


 Rihgu wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
My small nascent local group thankfully hasn't really encountered the issues you guys speak of. None of us are on the discord (and so haven't encountered the ruling you guys are referring to) - if we can't find clarification in official supporting documentation we mutually agree to a solution that feels right, with the acknowledgement that its a problem with the game itself that will hopefully be addressed by the authors at a future date.

This sort of thing is more or less a problem caused by modern technology - there was a time when rulesets with unclear instruction couldn't be patched in realtime by the authors (or their designated henchmen) via online channels or issued out to the community via an online FAQ, etc. In those days, short of writing a letter to the author (which was encouraged by rulesets which featured mailing addresses for the authors) to get clarification, it was up to your local playgroup to make up an agreed upon houserule. Ultimately the discord clarifications by vanguards or whatever is just an overglorified houserule and not one that is universally recognized (my local group is hardly the only one out there that has no discord presence) - feel free to ignore them and fix the problems you encounter locally.


That just makes it the opposite problem. Instead:
A: Okay, I do this for my turn.
B: Actually, that came up on Discord and the PB staff clarified it actually works this way.
A: uh, that's directly contradictory to the rules text?
B: I know, but the green name said it
A: Is it in an FAQ document?
B: No, but the green name said it.
A: Ooookay. I... will go play ASOIAF.

It is:
A: I asked on Discord the other day and PB staff told me it works like this.
B: Ah, we don't do that here.
A: do what?
B: We play by RAW/have our own house rules.
A: So... you don't play Conquest as the devs intend it?
B: No.
A: Okay... I think I'll just go play ASOIAF.

It works for a small play group but is painful for a group trying to grow.

edit: to be clear, when it's just me and my 2 buds playing we play the way we like to play. That doesn't work when we play "public games".


Yeah, no. The only "outsiders" we've had show up to play with our group are similarly not on discord and mostly had interpreted the rules uncertainties the same way we did (and where they didn't we ended up splitting the difference and agreeing with their view on a bunch and they ended up agreeing with us on a bunch). Otherwise everyone else here is "local" - they either started as part of the group that decided to play Conquest, or they joined us afterwards as a result of us pushing the game. Not everyone hooks in directly to social media channels on these games, in fact I would say it seems that most do not.

Also "green name on discord said it" != "as the devs intended it".

That's great for you, but does not match my lived experience.



Thankfully the world doesn't revolve around you and your opinion on the matter has no impact on how my local group -which, like many, is disconnected from discord and the broader community - plays. Amazing how that works, no?

Also,

3) If the question persists then please know that answers that come from members of the
Para Bellum team @Retail Relationship Team @Conquest Relationship Manager @Community Manager
always supercede and are considered official and final until later revision by the team.


(Retail Relationship Team is a green name)
There official rules are literally that a green name's word is law until it hits a PDF. It's emphasized multiple times that green names *are* PB staff, and PB are the devs. Therefore, if a green name makes a ruling, as part of the dev team, that is as the devs intend it.


Is that in a rulebook? No? Then none of the people in the group have ever seen it and it effectively does not exist. Thanks for playing.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/15 23:49:21


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Even if it was, expecting people to join a discord and look up rulings/changes that may or may not exist is unreasonable.


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auticus wrote:
Yes. Those are my opinions.

You've just pointed out water is wet and the sky is blue.

Those are in fact my opinions. Thats the whole point of doing content videos - to post opinions. Shocking - sometimes opinions are wrong. If you actually watched my videos other than cherry picking what you want to get your rocks off you'll find probably a half dozen instances of me talking about those stats and how they aren't the whole story. The whole reason I did that series was because individuals such as yourself cherry pick the things you want to - and I wanted to make it crystal clear about the whole tangible vs intangible thing and how I double underlined that in the presentation itself about how those cannot be the whole story.

Also your take on what happened in those private conversations between myself and PB and the conversation you are trying to parade around as if you know what happened and are privy to that conversation are laughable at best and are a gross distortion of the communication that occurred - of which you have zero content and zero inkling and are just running your little mouth like you like to do.

Keep my name out of your mouth / keyboard. There is zero reason why you should have been talking about me at this point in this thread other than to troll.
I don't know what was said in private; I'm referencing things you put in videos. At any rate, obviously we are going to disagree and if you feel it is trolling then report it and the mods can sort it out. I can certainly say I have been more polite about it. And besides, it is just my opinion.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/16 00:04:14


Post by: Rihgu


Spoiler:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
My small nascent local group thankfully hasn't really encountered the issues you guys speak of. None of us are on the discord (and so haven't encountered the ruling you guys are referring to) - if we can't find clarification in official supporting documentation we mutually agree to a solution that feels right, with the acknowledgement that its a problem with the game itself that will hopefully be addressed by the authors at a future date.

This sort of thing is more or less a problem caused by modern technology - there was a time when rulesets with unclear instruction couldn't be patched in realtime by the authors (or their designated henchmen) via online channels or issued out to the community via an online FAQ, etc. In those days, short of writing a letter to the author (which was encouraged by rulesets which featured mailing addresses for the authors) to get clarification, it was up to your local playgroup to make up an agreed upon houserule. Ultimately the discord clarifications by vanguards or whatever is just an overglorified houserule and not one that is universally recognized (my local group is hardly the only one out there that has no discord presence) - feel free to ignore them and fix the problems you encounter locally.


That just makes it the opposite problem. Instead:
A: Okay, I do this for my turn.
B: Actually, that came up on Discord and the PB staff clarified it actually works this way.
A: uh, that's directly contradictory to the rules text?
B: I know, but the green name said it
A: Is it in an FAQ document?
B: No, but the green name said it.
A: Ooookay. I... will go play ASOIAF.

It is:
A: I asked on Discord the other day and PB staff told me it works like this.
B: Ah, we don't do that here.
A: do what?
B: We play by RAW/have our own house rules.
A: So... you don't play Conquest as the devs intend it?
B: No.
A: Okay... I think I'll just go play ASOIAF.

It works for a small play group but is painful for a group trying to grow.

edit: to be clear, when it's just me and my 2 buds playing we play the way we like to play. That doesn't work when we play "public games".


Yeah, no. The only "outsiders" we've had show up to play with our group are similarly not on discord and mostly had interpreted the rules uncertainties the same way we did (and where they didn't we ended up splitting the difference and agreeing with their view on a bunch and they ended up agreeing with us on a bunch). Otherwise everyone else here is "local" - they either started as part of the group that decided to play Conquest, or they joined us afterwards as a result of us pushing the game. Not everyone hooks in directly to social media channels on these games, in fact I would say it seems that most do not.

Also "green name on discord said it" != "as the devs intended it".

That's great for you, but does not match my lived experience.



Thankfully the world doesn't revolve around you and your opinion on the matter has no impact on how my local group -which, like many, is disconnected from discord and the broader community - plays. Amazing how that works, no?

Also,

3) If the question persists then please know that answers that come from members of the
Para Bellum team @Retail Relationship Team @Conquest Relationship Manager @Community Manager
always supercede and are considered official and final until later revision by the team.


(Retail Relationship Team is a green name)
There official rules are literally that a green name's word is law until it hits a PDF. It's emphasized multiple times that green names *are* PB staff, and PB are the devs. Therefore, if a green name makes a ruling, as part of the dev team, that is as the devs intend it.


Is that in a rulebook? No? Then none of the people in the group have ever seen it and it effectively does not exist. Thanks for playing.


You gave advice. I told you why it wouldn't work for me. Why are you replying like this?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/16 02:34:32


Post by: chaos0xomega


I thought I was pretty clear from the beginning that what I was describing was how my Conquest group (and others we have encountered) have engaged with the game and that it works for us. You seem to be bothered by this and have been trying to demonstrate or argue that we are wrong for doing so.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/16 06:58:31


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 Rihgu wrote:
Spoiler:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
My small nascent local group thankfully hasn't really encountered the issues you guys speak of. None of us are on the discord (and so haven't encountered the ruling you guys are referring to) - if we can't find clarification in official supporting documentation we mutually agree to a solution that feels right, with the acknowledgement that its a problem with the game itself that will hopefully be addressed by the authors at a future date.

This sort of thing is more or less a problem caused by modern technology - there was a time when rulesets with unclear instruction couldn't be patched in realtime by the authors (or their designated henchmen) via online channels or issued out to the community via an online FAQ, etc. In those days, short of writing a letter to the author (which was encouraged by rulesets which featured mailing addresses for the authors) to get clarification, it was up to your local playgroup to make up an agreed upon houserule. Ultimately the discord clarifications by vanguards or whatever is just an overglorified houserule and not one that is universally recognized (my local group is hardly the only one out there that has no discord presence) - feel free to ignore them and fix the problems you encounter locally.


That just makes it the opposite problem. Instead:
A: Okay, I do this for my turn.
B: Actually, that came up on Discord and the PB staff clarified it actually works this way.
A: uh, that's directly contradictory to the rules text?
B: I know, but the green name said it
A: Is it in an FAQ document?
B: No, but the green name said it.
A: Ooookay. I... will go play ASOIAF.

It is:
A: I asked on Discord the other day and PB staff told me it works like this.
B: Ah, we don't do that here.
A: do what?
B: We play by RAW/have our own house rules.
A: So... you don't play Conquest as the devs intend it?
B: No.
A: Okay... I think I'll just go play ASOIAF.

It works for a small play group but is painful for a group trying to grow.

edit: to be clear, when it's just me and my 2 buds playing we play the way we like to play. That doesn't work when we play "public games".


Yeah, no. The only "outsiders" we've had show up to play with our group are similarly not on discord and mostly had interpreted the rules uncertainties the same way we did (and where they didn't we ended up splitting the difference and agreeing with their view on a bunch and they ended up agreeing with us on a bunch). Otherwise everyone else here is "local" - they either started as part of the group that decided to play Conquest, or they joined us afterwards as a result of us pushing the game. Not everyone hooks in directly to social media channels on these games, in fact I would say it seems that most do not.

Also "green name on discord said it" != "as the devs intended it".

That's great for you, but does not match my lived experience.



Thankfully the world doesn't revolve around you and your opinion on the matter has no impact on how my local group -which, like many, is disconnected from discord and the broader community - plays. Amazing how that works, no?

Also,

3) If the question persists then please know that answers that come from members of the
Para Bellum team @Retail Relationship Team @Conquest Relationship Manager @Community Manager
always supercede and are considered official and final until later revision by the team.


(Retail Relationship Team is a green name)
There official rules are literally that a green name's word is law until it hits a PDF. It's emphasized multiple times that green names *are* PB staff, and PB are the devs. Therefore, if a green name makes a ruling, as part of the dev team, that is as the devs intend it.


Is that in a rulebook? No? Then none of the people in the group have ever seen it and it effectively does not exist. Thanks for playing.


You gave advice. I told you why it wouldn't work for me. Why are you replying like this?
The way it was phrased made it seem like you were suggesting it didn't work at all. I personally didn't read his intent as to offer advice; only to comment on his own experience. Seems like a case of miscommunication.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/16 12:57:12


Post by: Sasorijap


The last version of TLAoK (1.5.1) was done by Leo, the community manager. I suggest to take a look and send him any feedback you have. It is the most clear written version of Conquest yet.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/16 18:13:15


Post by: NinthMusketeer


While I agree, I see it as equivalent to saying 'the most balanced version of Warhammer yet' it's kind of the lowest bar.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/25 11:59:43


Post by: Sasorijap


Old Dominion: Optio

[Thumb - OldDominion_Optio_Model_A_Eshop(1).jpg]


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/25 12:01:52


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Oh he looks nice.
Optio is one of the regiment upgrades, right?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/25 12:05:34


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Oh he looks nice.
Optio is one of the regiment upgrades, right?



Command Upgrade, yea. I think it might be the first resin Old Dominion relase, not counting the Fallen Divinity.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/26 10:59:35


Post by: Sasorijap


Plastic Strategos is also released

[Thumb - OldDominion_Strategos_Plastic_Eshop.jpg]


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/26 11:26:56


Post by: warboss


Old Dominion are undead right? I suppose it's ok to skip leg day when you're a mummy. All joking aside, I do like the sculpt other than the thin limbs.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/26 11:57:05


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Sasorijap wrote:
Plastic Strategos is also released


I like the pose on the limited edition one slightly more - other than that, it doesn't really seem all that different.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/26 13:52:02


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 warboss wrote:
Old Dominion are undead right? I suppose it's ok to skip leg day when you're a mummy. All joking aside, I do like the sculpt other than the thin limbs.
Yes, the thin limbs are intentional; there's no flesh under those wrappings.

At any rate, cool mini. Glad he's in resin, those details will look really nice.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/26 13:52:38


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Old Dominion are undead right? I suppose it's ok to skip leg day when you're a mummy. All joking aside, I do like the sculpt other than the thin limbs.
Yes, the thin limbs are intentional; there's no flesh under those wrappings.

At any rate, cool mini. Glad he's in resin, those details will look really nice.


He's plastic though.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/26 14:03:54


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Bah, there I ago reading things before morning caffeine

Ah well, in that case it goes into the 'cool but not $30 cool' category with the rest of them.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/28 17:46:58


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Bah, there I ago reading things before morning caffeine

Ah well, in that case it goes into the 'cool but not $30 cool' category with the rest of them.


You can still probably nab the first version of the character, and he was very similar sculpt-wise, but with a different pose, and also resin.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/05/28 18:01:00


Post by: chaos0xomega


tbh i like this version of the strategos more than the LE version


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 09:05:09


Post by: Sasorijap


Bone Golems

[Thumb - OldDominion_BoneGolems_Models_A_Eshop.jpg]
[Thumb - OldDominion_BoneGolems_Models_B_Eshop.jpg]


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 09:11:47


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


I still don't like the design. Look too much like dreadnaughts to me.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 09:23:35


Post by: lord_blackfang


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I still don't like the design. Look too much like dreadnaughts to me.


Same.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 09:44:01


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


chaos0xomega wrote:
tbh i like this version of the strategos more than the LE version

I dunno, the LE Strategos has more personality to me.
This one comes with a shield though, which does match his datasheet. It was really perplexing to me at first when I saw the stats for the Strategos and noticed an absence of shield on the model, but then I noticed that previous version of the model was Limited Edition and not the standard.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 13:41:23


Post by: Lucas Blackwolf


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I still don't like the design. Look too much like dreadnaughts to me.


I mean dreads are supposed to be walking tombs/sarcophagi, right ...

I like the care that went into making them look like roman graves with the uncanny portrait of the deceased reclining in the middle of the hulking thing ...


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 14:04:57


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Lucas Blackwolf wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I still don't like the design. Look too much like dreadnaughts to me.


I mean dreads are supposed to be walking tombs/sarcophagi, right ...

I like the care that went into making them look like roman graves with the uncanny portrait of the deceased reclining in the middle of the hulking thing ...

Yeah, but they could have made them a little less dreadnought-like.
Maybe make them more humanoid to fit the Golem idea a little more. Basically an upright sarcophagus with big thick legs and arms, instead of a thick square with stubby legs and arms.

Basically if you take the silhouette of a Dreadnaught and a Bone Golem it can be hard to tell them apart.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 14:36:19


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Ah, finally. Took 'em a while


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 21:07:03


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.

What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 21:38:03


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.

What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.


It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 22:27:36


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.

What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.


It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels

Excuse me, they are that much?
Was there a price hike or something? That seems pretty extreme for 3 models.
That's like GW prices.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 22:42:50


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.

What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.


It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels

Excuse me, they are that much?
Was there a price hike or something? That seems pretty extreme for 3 models.
That's like GW prices.


Eyup, they are.

https://store.para-bellum.com/the-spires/244-spires-incarnate-sentinel.html

I ain't got no idea why they cost that much either.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 22:43:12


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.

What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.


It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels

Excuse me, they are that much?
Was there a price hike or something? That seems pretty extreme for 3 models.
That's like GW prices.
The incarnate sentinels are resin, so basically collector models in all but name. But yes there was a price hike, and they elected to do standardized pricing based on unit type without taking into account the actual quality of the kit (IMO a big issue, considering the rather poor quality of their early releases that currently occupy much of the range). It is also a situation where the larger scale can lead to sticker shock--that price for 3 'monstrous infantry' models seems like a lot but they are really much larger; each of those bone golems is the size of a dreadnaught.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 22:49:42


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I really like the design, don't like that paint job with the different reds all blending together but that's a minor quibble. Would've liked more robust legs or a full commitment to gorilla style, that isn't enough to stop them looking good in my eyes.

What makes me shudder is anticipation of the price.


It can be € 47.99 if they decide to go with the Avatara/Inferno Automata priceband, or € 124.99, if they decide to price them like Incarnate Sentinels

Excuse me, they are that much?
Was there a price hike or something? That seems pretty extreme for 3 models.
That's like GW prices.
The incarnate sentinels are resin, so basically collector models in all but name. But yes there was a price hike, and they elected to do standardized pricing based on unit type without taking into account the actual quality of the kit (IMO a big issue, considering the rather poor quality of their early releases that currently occupy much of the range). It is also a situation where the larger scale can lead to sticker shock--that price for 3 'monstrous infantry' models seems like a lot but they are really much larger; each of those bone golems is the size of a dreadnaught.

Price wise they are about the same as 3 dreadnaughts too.
If they are resin that would explain the price though.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 22:54:15


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Up on their website; looks like they are plastic and $50 for 3. For some reason I was thinking they were going to be resin, as nice as their resin is I'm happy to be wrong.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/01 23:23:47


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Aye, I can live with that


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/02 08:29:45


Post by: Sasorijap


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Up on their website; looks like they are plastic and $50 for 3. For some reason I was thinking they were going to be resin, as nice as their resin is I'm happy to be wrong.


According to PB, resin will be only for collector stuff (and command models) from now on. Production has risen so much it is not viable for units and characters. They are remaking Bow Chosen to plastic for that reason.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/02 09:24:30


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Makes sense. Should be easier on the customers' wallets too.
I still remember the price for resin blood knights.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/03 12:59:01


Post by: vultute


I am waiting for Old Dominion's black tearing female statue and burning angel statue, which have been introduced since the early announcement of the faction
But, there is no notice of retail release until October.
Are these the Caryatid and Canephor on the Army List?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/03 15:15:12


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


So, with every single actual model we saw thus far being up on the shop, I guess we're going to have to wait for another wave of relases for the rest of Old Dominion's units?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/07 10:54:59


Post by: Epizeuxis


vultute wrote:I am waiting for Old Dominion's black tearing female statue and burning angel statue, which have been introduced since the early announcement of the faction
But, there is no notice of retail release until October.
Are these the Caryatid and Canephor on the Army List?

As I understand it, the female statue is a caryatid and the burning angel statue is a canephor. We haven't seen any yet, but the buccepholoi are said to be undead minotaurs. Given the (presumed) scarcity of preserved minotaur parts, I'm hoping they will be heavily reinforced with bits of statues and rubble.

From the hints being dropped on the Discord, I don't think Canephors, Caryatids, or Buccepholoi are likely to release this year - here's hoping that's not the case, because I really want to see them on the table.

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:So, with every single actual model we saw thus far being up on the shop, I guess we're going to have to wait for another wave of relases for the rest of Old Dominion's units?

Someone from PB mentioned that around August there should be another catalog coming out to list Sept-Dec releases. Should include things like Onslaught Drones/Bound Clones, possibly an Order Knight kit, and some more OD stuff, among others. Given the somewhat sudden announcement of the Optio and non-LE Strategos models, maybe some other OD command models might get quietly put up in the coming months, too?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/07 12:29:29


Post by: Rihgu


possibly an Order Knight kit


Not sure how much it means, but miniature market allows you to pre-order a Priory Commander right now.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/07 22:15:08


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


All of these previews are a few months old by now, but I don't think they actually ever got posted here, and I checked far back to see all the rest of the stuff that was revealed on the same Happy Hour

A new High Clone Executor (in Plastic!), and some renders and concept art for future Drones (Bound and Onslaught); all for the Spires, obviously.


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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/07 23:12:10


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I'm hoping they consider easing up on the new faction releases and focus more on model support for the existing ones.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/08 07:52:54


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'm hoping they consider easing up on the new faction releases and focus more on model support for the existing ones.


I mean
They have things planned in the closest future for the Dweghom, the 100K and the Spires
So I think it's a pretty safe bet they're supporting the existing ones still


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/08 16:51:22


Post by: Arcanis161


No timeline yet for the Weaver Courts or City States?

I want my nature alien-elf hybrids dangit!


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/08 16:54:03


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Arcanis161 wrote:
No timeline yet for the Weaver Courts or City States?

I want my nature alien-elf hybrids dangit!


City States are around 2023
Weavers are later.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/09 19:38:38


Post by: Sasorijap


New 2 player starter for First Blood version 2.0

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/09 19:54:02


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


The W’adrhŭn one seems to be just a half of their One Player Starter Set, and the Old Dominion is basically the same, except with the Archimadrite exchanged for Xhilliarch. Very interesting


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/09 20:03:13


Post by: Rihgu


So, up for pre-order in a month, and then actually shipped out/available 3 months later?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/09 20:15:01


Post by: chaos0xomega


Anything about updated First Blood rules?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/10 07:37:59


Post by: Sasorijap


chaos0xomega wrote:
Anything about updated First Blood rules?


A lot of amazing stuff, you can watch the happy hour on their Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1499164048


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/11 02:44:36


Post by: Shrapnelsmile


Here's a summary if you cannot get through the lengthy banter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qz031VpJM8&t=310s


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/15 12:10:58


Post by: Wha-Mu-077




Lookin' good, all of it
Interesting that Old Dominion is getting an, uh, more "Roman" upgrade set.


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Also is it just me, or do the Imperial Rangers look like Longbowmen with an ugprade sprue tossed in?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/16 08:32:17


Post by: JimmyWolf87


Lots of great looking stuff there. Glad I didn't cave and get the resin bowchosen at the time as their new plastics are pretty damn good. Valkyries and Volva are really nice. Those Imperial Ranger do indeed look very similar to the Longbowmen. Not sure what to make of the new Noble Lord. Wardens are some of the better Dweghom and Old Dominion stuff continues to be awesome.

Stand out has to be the Crimson Tower and the Priory Commander.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/16 12:23:39


Post by: caladancid


Valkyries, unexpected but they look great!

The 100k stuff is very mixed to me, cav are awesome but the Rangers...that is a lazy decision to just modify the sculpt of Longbowmen to that little degree.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/16 14:22:43


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


caladancid wrote:
Valkyries, unexpected but they look great!

The 100k stuff is very mixed to me, cav are awesome but the Rangers...that is a lazy decision to just modify the sculpt of Longbowmen to that little degree.


I don't think it's even modified tbh, I just think it's the Longbowmen kit with an upgrade sprue.

And you know what, I say it's a good decision. 100k don't need a dedicated plastic kit for a fourth different flavour of "dudes with crossbows/bows" at the moment, and just giving the Longbowmen/Hunters an upgrade sprue seems to do a serviceable job, while allowing to direct some more resources towards other factions


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/16 14:44:18


Post by: manic _miner


Like the look of the New Nord stuff that is coming-out.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/16 14:57:10


Post by: JimmyWolf87


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
caladancid wrote:
Valkyries, unexpected but they look great!

The 100k stuff is very mixed to me, cav are awesome but the Rangers...that is a lazy decision to just modify the sculpt of Longbowmen to that little degree.


I don't think it's even modified tbh, I just think it's the Longbowmen kit with an upgrade sprue.

And you know what, I say it's a good decision. 100k don't need a dedicated plastic kit for a fourth different flavour of "dudes with crossbows/bows" at the moment, and just giving the Longbowmen/Hunters an upgrade sprue seems to do a serviceable job, while allowing to direct some more resources towards other factions


I'll admit to being a bit disappointed with those Longbowmen when they first came out anyway but it's definitely a case of my expectation being something different than the design being 'bad'. As a relatively elite(ish) unit in the Nobility faction I was anticipating something like Household troops rather than 'bandits'. Turns out the reason for this was previous lore for the unit being that they were in fact conscripted bandits and outlaws but that idea was marginally scrapped but the sculpts were done. Easy enough conversion with militia I suppose (when I get round to it).

This absolutely looks like an alternative arm and head kit for that same set.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/16 15:08:26


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Personally I always like the look of the Longbowmen, but that's probably personal bias due to the fact I'm a huge Blooosborne fan


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/18 14:49:34


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I like how they are taking advantage of the stand-based unit layout with the Cenotaph and Initiates.

I dislike that they apparently aren't proofreading unit descriptions


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/18 17:32:02


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like how they are taking advantage of the stand-based unit layout with the Cenotaph and Initiates.

I dislike that they apparently aren't proofreading unit descriptions


Yeah, it's very interesting seeing attachements for units that take up multiple spots, or units with different equipement dependant on the rank, I hope we see more of that in the future. Should allow for some creative things.

Also it's very interesting that the new High Clone Executor is already painted up and the Bound Clones are already rendered, given just a while ago they were only present in the forms of an unfinished 3D model and concept sketches. Parabellum really works fast


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/21 08:02:29


Post by: Sasorijap


Image from Para Bellum's fb page. Gives a good idea about the size of the Fallen Divinity.

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 07:21:54


Post by: vultute


I thought the Undead Faction would be only Old dominion or just add Vampire counts.
Is Parabellum planning to implement a undead enemies of the Northern gods at Ragnarok?

https://www.para-bellum.com/songs-of-the-last-fire-child/


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 08:24:45


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


vultute wrote:
I thought the Undead Faction would be only Old dominion or just add Vampire counts.
Is Parabellum planning to implement a undead enemies of the Northern gods at Ragnarok?

https://www.para-bellum.com/songs-of-the-last-fire-child/


Who knows, but we know what new factions are coming out for the next few years, and this ain't one of them


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 14:04:46


Post by: chaos0xomega


There was talk of there being another 1-2 undead factions amongst the ~18 total planned, so not out of the question - but I think its unlikely that this is pointing at a faction. We have City States coming in 2023 and Weaver Courts in 2024, I doubt very much that they release any other factions before those two are out, and it wouldn't make sense for them to start spinning up for a faction to be released in 2025 while we still know next to nothing about the two factions coming in 23/24.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 14:22:22


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


chaos0xomega wrote:
There was talk of there being another 1-2 undead factions amongst the ~18 total planned, so not out of the question - but I think its unlikely that this is pointing at a faction. We have City States coming in 2023 and Weaver Courts in 2024, I doubt very much that they release any other factions before those two are out, and it wouldn't make sense for them to start spinning up for a faction to be released in 2025 while we still know next to nothing about the two factions coming in 23/24.


I imagine 2024 will have another living world poll that'll decide the 2025, 2026 and 2027 factions

If Parabellum is even around by then, to be honest.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 15:34:31


Post by: stonehorse


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
There was talk of there being another 1-2 undead factions amongst the ~18 total planned, so not out of the question - but I think its unlikely that this is pointing at a faction. We have City States coming in 2023 and Weaver Courts in 2024, I doubt very much that they release any other factions before those two are out, and it wouldn't make sense for them to start spinning up for a faction to be released in 2025 while we still know next to nothing about the two factions coming in 23/24.


I imagine 2024 will have another living world poll that'll decide the 2025, 2026 and 2027 factions

If Parabellum is even around by then, to be honest.


Are Parabellum looking like they may be in trouble? I haven't even following them a lot, the occasional look at their Conquest models. Still on the fence about the game.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 15:50:20


Post by: chaos0xomega


Theres no indications that they are in trouble, unless you consider that they discontinued some of their recent discount offers and have hiked prices on newer products to be an indicator of distress (theres good argument to be made for the opposite, that the hikes are reflective of their success and their ability to have built a solid core community that no longer requires loss-leaders as incentive for customers to buy in).



Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 16:04:59


Post by: NinthMusketeer


It was a pretty direct response to world events driving up costs.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 16:06:32


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 stonehorse wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
There was talk of there being another 1-2 undead factions amongst the ~18 total planned, so not out of the question - but I think its unlikely that this is pointing at a faction. We have City States coming in 2023 and Weaver Courts in 2024, I doubt very much that they release any other factions before those two are out, and it wouldn't make sense for them to start spinning up for a faction to be released in 2025 while we still know next to nothing about the two factions coming in 23/24.


I imagine 2024 will have another living world poll that'll decide the 2025, 2026 and 2027 factions

If Parabellum is even around by then, to be honest.


Are Parabellum looking like they may be in trouble? I haven't even following them a lot, the occasional look at their Conquest models. Still on the fence about the game.


They seem to be in the opposite of trouble, given they have to move production of a few of existing resin models to plastic to keep up with the demand.

But a lot can change in 5 years


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 20:45:20


Post by: stonehorse


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
There was talk of there being another 1-2 undead factions amongst the ~18 total planned, so not out of the question - but I think its unlikely that this is pointing at a faction. We have City States coming in 2023 and Weaver Courts in 2024, I doubt very much that they release any other factions before those two are out, and it wouldn't make sense for them to start spinning up for a faction to be released in 2025 while we still know next to nothing about the two factions coming in 23/24.


I imagine 2024 will have another living world poll that'll decide the 2025, 2026 and 2027 factions

If Parabellum is even around by then, to be honest.


Are Parabellum looking like they may be in trouble? I haven't even following them a lot, the occasional look at their Conquest models. Still on the fence about the game.


They seem to be in the opposite of trouble, given they have to move production of a few of existing resin models to plastic to keep up with the demand.

But a lot can change in 5 years


So they are doing well, yes a lot can happen in 5 years. However the way you worded it sounds like you either think the company is going down the drain, or you want the company to go down the drain.

Still, glad they are doing well. Makes me a bit more positive about potentially getting into the system.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/26 21:09:04


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 stonehorse wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
There was talk of there being another 1-2 undead factions amongst the ~18 total planned, so not out of the question - but I think its unlikely that this is pointing at a faction. We have City States coming in 2023 and Weaver Courts in 2024, I doubt very much that they release any other factions before those two are out, and it wouldn't make sense for them to start spinning up for a faction to be released in 2025 while we still know next to nothing about the two factions coming in 23/24.


I imagine 2024 will have another living world poll that'll decide the 2025, 2026 and 2027 factions

If Parabellum is even around by then, to be honest.


Are Parabellum looking like they may be in trouble? I haven't even following them a lot, the occasional look at their Conquest models. Still on the fence about the game.


They seem to be in the opposite of trouble, given they have to move production of a few of existing resin models to plastic to keep up with the demand.

But a lot can change in 5 years


So they are doing well, yes a lot can happen in 5 years. However the way you worded it sounds like you either think the company is going down the drain, or you want the company to go down the drain.

Still, glad they are doing well. Makes me a bit more positive about potentially getting into the system.


Eh, it was more intended as a generic comment at very-long-term plans, but I can see how it could be seen like that. I, personally, also hope they're going to be around for a while, given how I'm about to start a really bloody long-term project going with the Old Dominion and I wanna have a system to use them in when I'm finally done


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/27 10:44:28


Post by: JimmyWolf87


vultute wrote:
I thought the Undead Faction would be only Old dominion or just add Vampire counts.
Is Parabellum planning to implement a undead enemies of the Northern gods at Ragnarok?

https://www.para-bellum.com/songs-of-the-last-fire-child/


That character/myth is pretty explicitly one of the Old Dominion leftovers from their Northern Invasion (aka Ragnarök) who has become twisted and Undead since the Fall and totally not Surtur Hazlia merged with Death (it's probably one of the Anointed or a little chunk of Hazlia that's gone feral). There's a lot of weird stuff in the North owing to all the shenanigans their 'gods' were getting up to, the Ice Jotnar and whatever the Dominion dropped on them. I haven't heard tell of them getting a specific undead faction for the region though. The North seems to have plenty of other stuff lurking there. The cannibalistic/ghoul/zombie faction mentioned hasn't had a lot of lore behind it yet but I don't think it'll be focused around the Nords.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/27 10:56:05


Post by: Arbitrator


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
There was talk of there being another 1-2 undead factions amongst the ~18 total planned, so not out of the question - but I think its unlikely that this is pointing at a faction. We have City States coming in 2023 and Weaver Courts in 2024, I doubt very much that they release any other factions before those two are out, and it wouldn't make sense for them to start spinning up for a faction to be released in 2025 while we still know next to nothing about the two factions coming in 23/24.


I imagine 2024 will have another living world poll that'll decide the 2025, 2026 and 2027 factions

If Parabellum is even around by then, to be honest.


Are Parabellum looking like they may be in trouble? I haven't even following them a lot, the occasional look at their Conquest models. Still on the fence about the game.


They seem to be in the opposite of trouble, given they have to move production of a few of existing resin models to plastic to keep up with the demand.

But a lot can change in 5 years

I enjoyed the time I spent with Conquest and hope Parabellum continue to do well, but I'll be surprised if The Old World doesn't kill it off. It's a great game, but peoples brand loyalty to GW trumps pretty much anything else.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/27 13:57:47


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Arbitrator wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
There was talk of there being another 1-2 undead factions amongst the ~18 total planned, so not out of the question - but I think its unlikely that this is pointing at a faction. We have City States coming in 2023 and Weaver Courts in 2024, I doubt very much that they release any other factions before those two are out, and it wouldn't make sense for them to start spinning up for a faction to be released in 2025 while we still know next to nothing about the two factions coming in 23/24.


I imagine 2024 will have another living world poll that'll decide the 2025, 2026 and 2027 factions

If Parabellum is even around by then, to be honest.


Are Parabellum looking like they may be in trouble? I haven't even following them a lot, the occasional look at their Conquest models. Still on the fence about the game.


They seem to be in the opposite of trouble, given they have to move production of a few of existing resin models to plastic to keep up with the demand.

But a lot can change in 5 years

I enjoyed the time I spent with Conquest and hope Parabellum continue to do well, but I'll be surprised if The Old World doesn't kill it off. It's a great game, but peoples brand loyalty to GW trumps pretty much anything else.


I still doubt OW will kill off most rank-and-file fantasy games, tbh. If they die, it's because of their own poor decisions, and Conquest seems to be doing pretty good thus far.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/27 14:29:18


Post by: Crusael


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
There was talk of there being another 1-2 undead factions amongst the ~18 total planned, so not out of the question - but I think its unlikely that this is pointing at a faction. We have City States coming in 2023 and Weaver Courts in 2024, I doubt very much that they release any other factions before those two are out, and it wouldn't make sense for them to start spinning up for a faction to be released in 2025 while we still know next to nothing about the two factions coming in 23/24.


I imagine 2024 will have another living world poll that'll decide the 2025, 2026 and 2027 factions

If Parabellum is even around by then, to be honest.


Are Parabellum looking like they may be in trouble? I haven't even following them a lot, the occasional look at their Conquest models. Still on the fence about the game.


They seem to be in the opposite of trouble, given they have to move production of a few of existing resin models to plastic to keep up with the demand.

But a lot can change in 5 years


I cant comment on PB as a company, but I do wonder if Conquest isnt gaining the popularity they need or is in fact declining. FWIW (not very much Ill admit) many of the major LGS's in my area stocked Conquest at release, but now only one store regularly stocks it with new releases. In fact, as far as I can tell, that one store supplies most of the country, the only alternative being direct from PB.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/27 15:05:50


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Btw, speaking of moving production to plastic - the new plastic High Clone Executor is up for pre-order.

https://store.para-bellum.com/the-spires/538-spires-high-clone-executor-plastic--PBW7113.html


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/27 15:53:15


Post by: ritualnet


In the midlands, there are not as many people playing it, and it seems to have died off a little. Most people are doing the GW shuffle, which is a shame as I love the old Dominion and want to get involved


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/27 15:55:47


Post by: Lord Kragan


chaos0xomega wrote:
Theres no indications that they are in trouble, unless you consider that they discontinued some of their recent discount offers and have hiked prices on newer products to be an indicator of distress (theres good argument to be made for the opposite, that the hikes are reflective of their success and their ability to have built a solid core community that no longer requires loss-leaders as incentive for customers to buy in).



Hikes is a strong word, when we are talking of +1 euro/dollar on most increases. Shipping costs and things getting pricier is more to blame.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/27 16:00:25


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I went into my FLGS hoping to buy some Conquest minis, but they barely had anything in stock, and nothing newer than Wadhrun hunters.

Is there some place in the US besides Miniature Market who sells Conquest?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/27 16:22:50


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I have yet to find a shop that regularly stocks Conquest in SoCal, either online or in person.

I don't know if it's just distribution that's the holdup or what, but BobtheInquisitor is right- haven't seen any Old Dominion in the wild here at all. Had to get mine from MM when they first appeared, and those are now subsequently out of stock.

Really annoyed I didn't grab any Kataphractoi when I had the chance.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/28 05:33:48


Post by: NinthMusketeer


At Ease Games in San Diego has almost everything, though afaik they don't normally do shipping.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/06/28 11:46:51


Post by: chaos0xomega


These guys look like they are up to date but lots of things are sold out so I guess its a question of if/when they restock: https://www.mythicos.store/collections/conquest-the-last-argument-of-kings


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 08:53:05


Post by: Sasorijap


Asmodee recently became their (non-exclusive) distributor so they definitely are doing very okay.

If people abandon Conquest for Old Hammer then minigamers deserve all the gakky treatment they get from GW all these years.

Conquest has an amazing ruleset. Interesting lore and they involve the community with the direction of the game overall.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2025/03/26 06:53:17


Post by: NinthMusketeer


PB has some striking flaws too, though. Conquest is certainly going places but time will tell if it stays relevant or is just the next Warmahordes.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 12:42:32


Post by: chaos0xomega


Wait, Asmodee is Conquests distributor now?

RIP.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 13:14:26


Post by: Arbitrator


chaos0xomega wrote:
Wait, Asmodee is Conquests distributor now?

RIP.

Was going to post exactly this.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 13:16:04


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Welp, it had a good run at least.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 13:48:46


Post by: Rihgu


What's wrong with Asmodee as distributor?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 14:18:06


Post by: caladancid


Damn that is really bad news.....


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 14:22:15


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Dang, guess I won't start that Old Dominion army, then.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 14:22:54


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


I don't get what's the problem?
To me it seems great because Asmodee is a French distributor of board games. Which means I might actually see Conquest in stores at some point.

They're not the only distributor either, so if asmodee screws up there's other options. I don't get what the doom and gloom is about.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 14:57:58


Post by: chaos0xomega


Asmodee has constant supply issues that create lots of problems for games like this. Typical board games and tabletop products are not an issue, but games like Legion, X-Wing, Armada, and A Song of Ice and Fire constantly have their product releases delayed by months, products show up in different parts of the world at different times (very frustrating when Asmodee makes an announcement that the release of a product you pre-ordered is delayed 3 months, and 2 days later people in Poland and Germany are posting pictures of that product on sale while its impossible to get anywhere else), and popular products often end up being out of stock for extended periods until they can be reprinted and restocked which makes it hard for people who are trying to collect stuff or build an army over time.

The non-exclusivity is the saving grace here so hopefully its less of an issue. TBH I was being somewhat sarcastic with my post as I doubt Asmodee distro would actually kill the game, but I cringe every time I hear that a publisher has signed a distribution deal with them. I guess enough other people feel the same about them and their distribution practices that it struck a chord with them.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/01 17:42:44


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Huh, my flgs uses Asmodee (among others) and the issues aren't nearly that bad. Particularly for these days when everyone is having issues. At any rate I see Asmodee sticking it in addition to previous methods as a good thing.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/04 08:11:02


Post by: Sasorijap


Plastic High Clone Executor. While converting the old resin characters into plastic they are also updating the sculpts.

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2007/05/16 18:25:57


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Sasorijap wrote:
Plastic High Clone Executor. While converting the old resin characters into plastic they are also updating the sculpts.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was already posted a few times.

Still a welcome change and a good sculpt.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/04 10:47:56


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


A bit too warcraft looking for my taste, but it is still a nice sculpt and I'm not too interested in Spire anyway.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2028/07/02 13:54:29


Post by: Gir Spirit Bane


Sasorijap wrote:
Asmodee recently became their (non-exclusive) distributor so they definitely are doing very okay.

If people abandon Conquest for Old Hammer then minigamers deserve all the gakky treatment they get from GW all these years.

Conquest has an amazing ruleset. Interesting lore and they involve the community with the direction of the game overall.



Now thats a bit strong isn't it? If people abandon Conquest for Old Hammer then Conquest needs to compete. People aren't wrong for play games they want to play.

GW Market dominance can be immensely limiting and feel like a lot of non GW games lack for opponents, but there are notable exceptions. At my local clubs in my city you can pretty much always find Kings of War and newer games like turnip 28 being played.

In my area its mostly the models and mostly system incompatible scale which turn people off.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/04 12:54:59


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


It's hard to compete when the very fact that OldHammer is more popular is a deciding factor for a very large amount of people


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/04 12:56:39


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


That and a lot of warhammer players seem to have abused wife syndrome. They bitch about how terrible GW and the rule set is, then they buy the next expensive model and edition.
Then they wonder why GW doesn't change.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/04 17:55:56


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Eh, GW does change, going in directions both better and worse. It has a tremendous impact. The end of Kirby days and rise of Roundtree nuGW did not drum up popularity with a few token changes; they completely overhauled how the company operated and people noticed.

What PB needs to do is stick with their strengths and work on their weaknesses, and they'll stick around. If they refuse to address those weaknesses and let baggage build up, on the other hand... well PP ain't doing so well these days.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It's hard to compete when the very fact that OldHammer is more popular is a deciding factor for a very large amount of people
I do think the nature of AA vs IgoUgo means that to a certain extent the games appeal to different people.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/06 11:30:05


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


https://store.para-bellum.com/the-hundred-kingdoms/539-hundred-kingdoms-noble-lord-infantry-plastic--PBW7223.html

Plastic Noble Lord is up for pre-order.


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Frankly I liked the old one better, he didn't have quite the potato-face.

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/06 12:11:19


Post by: JimmyWolf87


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
https://store.para-bellum.com/the-hundred-kingdoms/539-hundred-kingdoms-noble-lord-infantry-plastic--PBW7223.html

Plastic Noble Lord is up for pre-order.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Frankly I liked the old one better, he didn't have quite the potato-face.


Agreed, this is one of their weaker ones, especially for the resculpts. The angle of the lead foot feels off and that face is just weird compared to what they can usually do, though it might just be the paintjob (which would be a very rare miss from PB in that department). Thankfully the resin one looks like it's coming back into stock (and is the same price as the new one).


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/06 13:11:11


Post by: Boosykes


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Eh, GW does change, going in directions both better and worse. It has a tremendous impact. The end of Kirby days and rise of Roundtree nuGW did not drum up popularity with a few token changes; they completely overhauled how the company operated and people noticed.

What PB needs to do is stick with their strengths and work on their weaknesses, and they'll stick around. If they refuse to address those weaknesses and let baggage build up, on the other hand... well PP ain't doing so well these days.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
It's hard to compete when the very fact that OldHammer is more popular is a deciding factor for a very large amount of people
I do think the nature of AA vs IgoUgo means that to a certain extent the games appeal to different people.

This nothing to do with it if GW went AA people would prais how indicative they are and goble it up. GW only issue is price is getting rediculas.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/06 14:31:32


Post by: Sasorijap


JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
https://store.para-bellum.com/the-hundred-kingdoms/539-hundred-kingdoms-noble-lord-infantry-plastic--PBW7223.html

Plastic Noble Lord is up for pre-order.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Frankly I liked the old one better, he didn't have quite the potato-face.


Agreed, this is one of their weaker ones, especially for the resculpts. The angle of the lead foot feels off and that face is just weird compared to what they can usually do, though it might just be the paintjob (which would be a very rare miss from PB in that department). Thankfully the resin one looks like it's coming back into stock (and is the same price as the new one).


I prefer this one by a mile, the pose is much more dynamic.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/06 14:34:05


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


The face isn't great and the waist seem to be a little bit too turned, but I like his armour and coat, and that is a nice pose. I'd rather he was in mid-unsheathing instead of just holding the sword in front of him though.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/06 14:41:36


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Sasorijap wrote:
JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
https://store.para-bellum.com/the-hundred-kingdoms/539-hundred-kingdoms-noble-lord-infantry-plastic--PBW7223.html

Plastic Noble Lord is up for pre-order.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Frankly I liked the old one better, he didn't have quite the potato-face.


Agreed, this is one of their weaker ones, especially for the resculpts. The angle of the lead foot feels off and that face is just weird compared to what they can usually do, though it might just be the paintjob (which would be a very rare miss from PB in that department). Thankfully the resin one looks like it's coming back into stock (and is the same price as the new one).


I prefer this one by a mile, the pose is much more dynamic.


I liked the furry cloak and the older face of the resin more more, details-wise though.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/06 17:06:48


Post by: nels1031


Is it just me or are the Nobles feet distractingly big?

Poor sculpt all around, imo. PB struggles with humanoid stuff but their dinosaurs are the best out there.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/06 18:29:04


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 nels1031 wrote:
Is it just me or are the Nobles feet distractingly big?

Poor sculpt all around, imo. PB struggles with humanoid stuff but their dinosaurs are the best out there.


It's both due to a perspective trick (his feet are the closest to the viewer at the angle where the promo pic was taken, they look fine otherwise), and the fact that full-plate boots were generally noticeably elongated outside the lenght of the actual foot due to their design.

I'm actually fine with the pose, I just wish he had the head and cloak of the old model.
Okay, and maybe if he was drawing his sword.

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/07 08:42:28


Post by: Sasorijap


Old Dominion Dark Cenotaph

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/07 09:58:53


Post by: grrrfranky


That's a very cool model, but why is it on two separate bases?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/07 10:06:57


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


So it fits on the regiment tray, I would imagine.
That is a really nice model.

I would get Old Dominion, but I'm waiting for the City States to come out.
I don't want to buy into an army, and then go "oh no, I like these guys more"


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/07 10:14:52


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I really like them branching into multi-base options for infantry regiments and the design is nice. I only dislike how that sarcophagus looks WAY too big for one dude, even of supernatural strength, to be dragging. Still though, cool design and I think it will look great as part of a regiment.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/07 10:15:42


Post by: Scottywan82


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So it fits on the regiment stray, I would imagine.
That is a really nice model.

I would get Old Dominion, but I'm waiting for the City States to come out.
I don't want to buy into an army, and then go "oh no, I like these guys more"


Ah, that makes a lot of sense. I admit, I was totally baffled about it too.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/08 15:21:42


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Sasorijap wrote:
Old Dominion Dark Cenotaph


Where did you find those images, by the way? It doesn't seem to be up on the store yet


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/11 07:53:33


Post by: Sasorijap


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So it fits on the regiment tray, I would imagine.
That is a really nice model.

I would get Old Dominion, but I'm waiting for the City States to come out.
I don't want to buy into an army, and then go "oh no, I like these guys more"


Make a First Blood Army for the Old Dominion which is around 25 models.

The new First Blood V 2.0 Starter is up on their e-shop.

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/14 16:18:20


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Dweghom Initiates/Wardens. Nice to see Parabellum make more use of the way ranks and stands are structured to make interesting formations

https://store.para-bellum.com/dweghom/322-dweghom-initiates-dual-kit-PBW3304.html

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/14 16:27:26


Post by: Rihgu


The diorama aspect is really neat, and the Wardens really have a nice "classic dwarf" look compared to the rest of the Dweghom range. If the Warriors/Ballistae/Thanes looked more like that, I'd consider Dweghom!


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/14 16:34:12


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Totally agreed, I am really liking the multi-base aspect taking advantage of how the trays work. Wardens seem to have suffered a bit for it with some stiff posing but like the Warriors I imagine a little bit of shaving & adjusting will do a lot for them. For both I like the monk-ish aesthetic to their garb as it sells the distinct subculture while still remaining distinctly Dweghom.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/15 10:21:42


Post by: JimmyWolf87


 Rihgu wrote:
The diorama aspect is really neat, and the Wardens really have a nice "classic dwarf" look compared to the rest of the Dweghom range. If the Warriors/Ballistae/Thanes looked more like that, I'd consider Dweghom!


Likewise, these are probably my favourite looking Dweghom unit purely because they don't have that slightly cartoonish approach to their armour and the really stilted poses of some of their early plastics.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/20 22:09:32


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Funky resin bases - and stands - specifically for Conquest, with terrain and stuff on them, for people who are into that sort of thing.

https://store.para-bellum.com/accessories/554-253-erlik-s-hobbies-bases-slate-PBW8885.html#/180-base_size-infantry
https://store.para-bellum.com/accessories/553-246-erlik-s-hobbies-bases-celtic-ruins-PBW8885.html#/180-base_size-infantry

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/21 12:13:23


Post by: ritualnet


I like the bases, just wish there was a roman-esque set for the Old Dominion.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/21 19:15:30


Post by: Sasorijap


Fishgnome Trophies for Gencon Tournament

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/23 14:46:03


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Sasorijap wrote:
Fishgnome Trophies for Gencon Tournament
Haha! That's fantastic!

Bases are pretty nice.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/07/23 22:02:14


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


I love how Fish gnomes are a running joke.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/01 16:32:16


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Some more textured bases and the Dark Cenotaph are up for pre-orders.

https://store.para-bellum.com/the-old-dominion/557-old-dominion-dark-cenotaph.html
https://store.para-bellum.com/accessories/556-260-erlik-s-hobbies-bases-cursed-cathedral-PBW8885.html#/180-base_size-infantry

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/10 09:01:25


Post by: Sasorijap


Profane Reliquary for the Old Dominion.

Also ParaBellum will be part of the Resin Beast Competition along with Creature Caster: https://bit.ly/3vRT8dG

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/10 09:06:49


Post by: RazorEdge


Any news about Localisation of the updated Rulesets?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/10 11:31:30


Post by: chaos0xomega


They'll have to release those fish gnome minis eventually.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/10 11:41:04


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Sasorijap wrote:
Profane Reliquary for the Old Dominion.

Also ParaBellum will be part of the Resin Beast Competition along with Creature Caster: https://bit.ly/3vRT8dG


Hot damn that's a good paintjob


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/10 11:42:13


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


I'm really liking the OD command options. They look great.
Pity you have to buy it separately though.
Spending an additional ~26 euros for each unit you have seems a wee bit much.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/10 14:37:52


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Dam what a nice model, love how he is posed holding it forward, considering what it does. Looks sinister but regal at the same time, especially with that ace paintjob. Also really like that his helmet crest is not massive.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/12 13:29:11


Post by: Sasorijap


New plastic Hold Raegh spotted!

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/12 14:01:36


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Interesting that the Noble Lord seems to have been the only one to get a significant resculpt in the transition to plastic, the Raegh and the Executor look like basically the same character in a different pose.

A much, much better pose in case of the Raegh, for one.


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Also

https://www.para-bellum.com/gencon-2022-final-five-tournament-lists/

The top 5 lists from Gencon. 100K, W’adrhŭn, Nords and two Dweghom armies in the final five, seems pretty damn balanced for faction representation.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/12 16:26:02


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I like that Hold Raegh. Is that an alternate head with the visor down? That's cool. Liking that pose too.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/12 17:03:03


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Good to see continued variation in tourney winners.

That Raegh is the first plastic resculpt I like better than the original resin. The change of pose is a big improvement.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/12 18:01:50


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


That model, I would buy.


Also, I read it too quickly and found myself thinking that “hold rage” is my favorite move in real life.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/12 18:17:09


Post by: RazorEdge


"Raegh" sounds like a pseudo-germanic term for "Regent" or "Ruler".


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/12 18:54:46


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I was hearing it as “Roy” read by Mike Myers.

He’s got an axe big as Sputnik!


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/12 19:00:30


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Pretty sure the axe is actually downsized from the first Raegh


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/13 01:03:37


Post by: NinthMusketeer


RazorEdge wrote:
"Raegh" sounds like a pseudo-germanic term for "Regent" or "Ruler".
Dweghom terms are based on PIE, so you certainly aren't wrong.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/18 11:48:30


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Bound Clones and Onslaught Drones for the Spires are up for pre-order now.

https://store.para-bellum.com/the-spires/560-spires-bound-clones-dual-kit-PBW1115.html
https://store.para-bellum.com/the-spires/561-spires-onslaught-drones-dual-kit-PBW1115.html

Not sure if I like them all that much

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/18 13:13:05


Post by: chaos0xomega


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


Proto
Indo
European


Thank you!

I assumed Dweghom language was some sort of celtic language


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/18 15:49:24


Post by: Talking Banana


Conquest minis are 38mm, right?

Do any of them happen to work with 32mm scale minis reasonably well? (I dunno, maybe some of the non-human type units?)

I like some of the Spires designs - I've been into biomorphic fantasy clones since Rackham's Dirz hit the scene - but worry that none of the Conquest minis will fit with my 28mm to 32mm collection.

I do appreciate that a larger scale like 38mm would make painting Conquest minis less of a pain, I just prefer to hodgepodge all my miniature lines together on the tabletop.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/18 18:02:09


Post by: CthuluIsSpy



I'm not quite sure I like the paint scheme, but the models themselves could have promise.
I think they would look a lot better with a darker and grittier scheme, maybe something that gives them a more organic look.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/18 18:07:12


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

I'm not quite sure I like the paint scheme, but the models themselves could have promise.
I think they would look a lot better with a darker and grittier scheme, maybe something that gives them a more organic look.
Yeah the paint scheme is very one-dimensional with no variation in the white carapace, it is certainly throwing me off a bit. The posing does seem pretty stale though, like they aren't quite standing but aren't quite bracing and aren't quite doing... anything. I think using the same arms was a mistake here, the two units needed more than just different hands & heads and the resulting arm pose doesn't work for either of them.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/18 23:24:14


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

I'm not quite sure I like the paint scheme, but the models themselves could have promise.
I think they would look a lot better with a darker and grittier scheme, maybe something that gives them a more organic look.
Yeah the paint scheme is very one-dimensional with no variation in the white carapace, it is certainly throwing me off a bit. The posing does seem pretty stale though, like they aren't quite standing but aren't quite bracing and aren't quite doing... anything. I think using the same arms was a mistake here, the two units needed more than just different hands & heads and the resulting arm pose doesn't work for either of them.


Yeah, Spires just can't seem to get a good infantry kit, can they?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/19 09:35:48


Post by: Sasorijap


New Nord releases for October

Blooded (plastic remake), Volva, Valkyries and Bow Chosen.

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/19 10:42:13


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Cool stuff. Still real thick on those shields, but I like the Valkyrie posing; it reads with a sort of 'detachment' to me like they are beyond mortal concerns.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/19 12:27:28


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Interesting to choose the Blooded as the first hero to be transferred into plastic, I was expecting someone more, standard? Like the Captain or Jarl.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/19 12:38:15


Post by: Rihgu


Blooded has the most filled out warband where Jarls and Konungyrs are kind of stuck with raiders and huskarls.

At least locally, that has made Jarls and Konungyrs basically non-existent as they have the most boring list building imaginable, where Blooded as your "core" has options (and the Supremacy Ability is 10x juicier than anything the others offer)


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/19 12:43:49


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Rihgu wrote:
Blooded has the most filled out warband where Jarls and Konungyrs are kind of stuck with raiders and huskarls.

At least locally, that has made Jarls and Konungyrs basically non-existent as they have the most boring list building imaginable, where Blooded as your "core" has options (and the Supremacy Ability is 10x juicier than anything the others offer)



I am fully aware, It's just interesting they didn't choose a more, how to say, traditional basic leader, like the Noble Lord or the Hold Raegh to be the first to be plastic-ized.

Also I mean, Jarls and Konungyrs are not entirely out of the picture, the 3rd place in Gencon 2022 was a Norse build with both.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/08/21 20:46:16


Post by: Sasorijap


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Interesting to choose the Blooded as the first hero to be transferred into plastic, I was expecting someone more, standard? Like the Captain or Jarl.


Jarl is already in plastic they just didn't change the sculpt.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/07 10:15:55


Post by: vultute


Firsr Blood Version 2 says there are two types of the Blooded, crow and wolf, but does Para-bellum plan to produce crow version Blooded?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/07 10:37:14


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


No, there's rules for tons of units that Parabellum doesn't yet make.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/07 12:31:49


Post by: Rihgu


Usually not the case with First Blood 2.0. They've stripped basically all unreleased models from that ruleset.

I'm going to guess that Wolf and Crow Blooded are intended to use the same model.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/14 09:53:21


Post by: Sasorijap


They are good options for future alt-sculpts.

By the way the released 12 new First Blood scenarios for free: https://www.para-bellum.com/rules-and-faq

8 new for TLAoK are coming next.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/16 07:24:58


Post by: Sasorijap


New releases coming from last night's happy hour

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/16 07:53:05


Post by: JimmyWolf87


Crimson Tower look even more exceptional painted up. Not 100% sold on the Kanephors or Karyatids but that might just be because they're not a direct translation of the amazing concept art into miniature format. Edit: Correction Turns out that artwork isn't in fact those units anyway (clarified by the devs) so there's more to come.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/16 10:50:32


Post by: aku-chan


Those wacky ghost/statue hybrids are an interesting concept.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/16 10:55:38


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Not big on Kenaphors, still waiting on the fiery bronze melee statues.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/16 14:34:37


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I like that guy in the cloak resting on his shield. Nice looking hero.

Would make a great Ranger for Shadow Deep too.

Guess it's time to start getting funky for the new First Blood rules.
The more I look at my Spire drones, the more I feel the need to butcher them and rebuild them "better."
What that might entail, I'm not sure yet. Seen some cool bodyguard types made with the multi- armed archer bodies.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/17 18:54:31


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Those are kanephors? Aren't they supposed to be the flaming angel guys?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they look bad, I was just expecting the angel.

I hope the carytids look like the art of that creepy long neck woman. It would be kind of gakky of PB to go "Hey, look at our cool concept art. Oh, you wanted models of them? Too bad"


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/17 19:40:27


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Those are kanephors? Aren't they supposed to be the flaming angel guys?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they look bad, I was just expecting the angel.

I hope the carytids look like the art of that creepy long neck woman. It would be kind of gakky of PB to go "Hey, look at our cool concept art. Oh, you wanted models of them? Too bad"


They actually showed off Caryatids already, it's just that for some reason they didn't get posted here.

And no, they don't have long necks

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/17 22:43:13


Post by: NinthMusketeer


That is a really cool design with just enough originality to be fresh and just enough classic to not look weird. Legitimately impressed.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/18 09:37:51


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Those are kanephors? Aren't they supposed to be the flaming angel guys?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they look bad, I was just expecting the angel.

I hope the carytids look like the art of that creepy long neck woman. It would be kind of gakky of PB to go "Hey, look at our cool concept art. Oh, you wanted models of them? Too bad"


They actually showed off Caryatids already, it's just that for some reason they didn't get posted here.

And no, they don't have long necks


Again, not a bad model, but then what were those things we saw when Old Dominion was announced?
I'm really confused, because I really thought those were going to be kanephors and caryatids.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/18 10:34:15


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Those are kanephors? Aren't they supposed to be the flaming angel guys?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they look bad, I was just expecting the angel.

I hope the carytids look like the art of that creepy long neck woman. It would be kind of gakky of PB to go "Hey, look at our cool concept art. Oh, you wanted models of them? Too bad"


They actually showed off Caryatids already, it's just that for some reason they didn't get posted here.

And no, they don't have long necks


Again, not a bad model, but then what were those things we saw when Old Dominion was announced?
I'm really confused, because I really thought those were going to be kanephors and caryatids.


Sorry to rain on your pararde, but those are the things we all saw announced. Animated stone statues with black goop coming out of them. This is just how they translated that, er, concept, to miniature form. The fiery bronze roman statue is just a different unit that we're not going to get yet it seems like - especially given how both Cepenhors and Caryatids are names that refer to statues of women.

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/18 15:03:08


Post by: NinthMusketeer


I like them more than that art bit, personally.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/18 22:21:43


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


I dunno, the models are nice but the art had more of a horror factor going on. I think the art is more disturbing looking.

It's not even concept art as I'm pretty sure that's what was advertised and revealed.

Anyway, on discord they're implying that those guys could be part of the Profane Sepulcher.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/18 22:45:34


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Aw dang, they won't be their own thing? That's a shame


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/09/20 10:25:35


Post by: vultute


Profane Sepulcher seems to belong to The Final Creed, and Illustrations of burning angel were introduced as The Fallen Pantheon.
So I expect that the angel will be Keeper of the Dead or Key Warden, and long neck female statue will be Erinyes.
It's hard to think Para Bellum are going to change a long-published design, but it's also hard to think they'll apply it to the Command Model.
In any case, we have to respect their design changes for reasons of mass production and public appeal.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/05 10:23:30


Post by: JimmyWolf87


Ok, I'm very much looking forward to that Founder's Exclusive for Old Dominion. Sea Jotnar is nice though I still prefer the Ice variant.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/05 10:38:57


Post by: warboss


Agreed that the giant looks nice (admittedly I was biased in that I'm a fan of the previous one as well). What's the point of the Founder's Exclusive? To offer exclusive sculpts or the upcoming regular sculpts but in resin? Have they don't this before?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/05 10:51:59


Post by: JimmyWolf87


 warboss wrote:
Agreed that the giant looks nice (admittedly I was biased in that I'm a fan of the previous one as well). What's the point of the Founder's Exclusive? To offer exclusive sculpts or the upcoming regular sculpts but in resin? Have they don't this before?


They've done one for every faction so far. They're effectively mini dioramas that are ostensibly limited edition. Collector's pieces that are usually alternative sculpts. I think a lot of them are later released but without the scenic bases.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/05 12:42:27


Post by: manic _miner


The Sea Giant looks very nice.
Face reminds me of one of the Head Vampires in Buffy.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/05 13:46:28


Post by: Sacredroach


Thinking of those Karyatids...paint the black goop in reds and oranges and you have some interesting female K'Daai infused with lava.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/05 14:03:31


Post by: His Master's Voice


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I dunno, the models are nice but the art had more of a horror factor going on. I think the art is more disturbing looking.


Same here. It doesn't help that the actual models are fairly plain and kinda awkward when they don't actually have legs.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/05 15:32:33


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Oh the render of the Sea Jotnar looks nice.
Much better than the earlier mountain jotnar.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/05 18:00:37


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Some cool minis coming! And dam is it refreshing to have announcements of these things with a definite release period.


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JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Agreed that the giant looks nice (admittedly I was biased in that I'm a fan of the previous one as well). What's the point of the Founder's Exclusive? To offer exclusive sculpts or the upcoming regular sculpts but in resin? Have they don't this before?


They've done one for every faction so far. They're effectively mini dioramas that are ostensibly limited edition. Collector's pieces that are usually alternative sculpts. I think a lot of them are later released but without the scenic bases.
So the first 100k, Nord, Dwegholm ones included a diorama base, a character, and three retinue. The retinue were later released separately but the character and diorama portion remained exclusive. And the diorama part really is the biggest aspect, especially for the Dweghom one.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/07 17:37:02


Post by: chaos0xomega


I like the way the Dweghom and 100K dice sets look. I'll also be getting the OD Founders Exclusive for sure, even if I have no idea what it looks like.

 warboss wrote:
Agreed that the giant looks nice (admittedly I was biased in that I'm a fan of the previous one as well). What's the point of the Founder's Exclusive? To offer exclusive sculpts or the upcoming regular sculpts but in resin? Have they don't this before?


They do Founders Exclusives for every faction each year. They are limited edition sculpts that usually release around Christmas/the Holidays, typically they come in different flavors, either alt sculpts of existing skits, mini-diaromas of a "scene" from within the setting, or represent a unit that has specific upgrades associated with it (Brood of Omgorah for Wadruhn for example, and Legacies of the Ark for Spire). Usually they only make a couple hundred copies of each one (which speaks to the size of the game community, I think).

Note however, in this case the Sea Giant is not a Founders Exclusive, its an Artisan Series mini, which is different. These are basically alt sculpts designed by Para-Bellum but sculpted by guest sculptors and released in resin. They are "artisan" minis because the goal is for Conquest to eventually be all-plastic, they are not limited in the sense that they only mint a fixed number of them, but they are limited in the sense that they aren't expected to be permanently available as part of the model range.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/13 17:20:33


Post by: Rihgu


New scenarios are released, and at a glance I like a lot about them
https://www.para-bellum.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/LAST-ARGUMENTOF-KINGS_ADDITIONAL-SCENARIOS.pdf

1 - no ending the game early by scoring max points or tabling your opponent. The one I'm least positive on, but I think I'm still positive on it.
2 - no whacky "only lights score" or "you need 2 heavies to score" missions
3 - all scenarios allowing the destruction of enemy objectives is... interesting?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/14 00:51:16


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Terrain rules! Finally, glad to have em. Quite sensible and easily understood too.

Tabling is still a thing and without VP thresholds there's 10 rounds to do it... My preference would be for no auto-win on either side but having both is better than just one. How many games have people played where one side is still alive round 10?

Lol @ "objective zones cannot be captured the first three rounds" followed a paragraph later by "objective zones cannot be captured the first or second battle rounds"


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/10/25 11:53:48


Post by: Lord Kragan


 Rihgu wrote:
New scenarios are released, and at a glance I like a lot about them
https://www.para-bellum.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/LAST-ARGUMENTOF-KINGS_ADDITIONAL-SCENARIOS.pdf

1 - no ending the game early by scoring max points or tabling your opponent. The one I'm least positive on, but I think I'm still positive on it.
2 - no whacky "only lights score" or "you need 2 heavies to score" missions
3 - all scenarios allowing the destruction of enemy objectives is... interesting?


I think mix and matching these can be a solid choice.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/02 13:39:38


Post by: Sasorijap


ParaBellum is doing a Xmas event around the Abomination: https://www.beastsofwar.com/news/conquests-wintery-abominable-snowman-event/


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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/02 15:00:52


Post by: JimmyWolf87




Looks like a fun way for them to try and flog those bloody Abomination kits. Especially as they used to give them away like sweets at expos and events.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/02 21:54:09


Post by: NinthMusketeer


It is one of my all time favorites for awful miniatures companies have put out. Just, really bad. Looks worse in person, and isn't even very good in-game either.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/03 06:47:30


Post by: Lord Kragan


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is one of my all time favorites for awful miniatures companies have put out. Just, really bad. Looks worse in person, and isn't even very good in-game either.


It is funny because everything you've just said is wrong :V.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/03 09:42:20


Post by: JimmyWolf87


Personally I've always rather liked it in general, though it's wonky as all hell to build and pose in a way that looks decent. It it's stance looks awkward and ungainly then that sort of suits it. It does suffer from being part of that initial launch set wave; the difference between their plastics then and now is very noticible.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/03 11:22:32


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is one of my all time favorites for awful miniatures companies have put out. Just, really bad. Looks worse in person, and isn't even very good in-game either.

To be fair, it was an early model. Some of their earlier stuff does indeed look jank.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/03 12:45:17


Post by: Rihgu


Lord Kragan wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is one of my all time favorites for awful miniatures companies have put out. Just, really bad. Looks worse in person, and isn't even very good in-game either.


It is funny because everything you've just said is wrong :V.

No, no, Ninth is absolutely right here. It's impossible to assemble well due to all the ball joints AND in person you'll practically never see one painted so it'll just be this splay-legged shiny grey thing.
It's a Heavy unit that bullies Light units, and is therefore basically irrelevant in the old mission pack due to not arriving in time to do anything meaningful and irrelevant in the new mission pack due to Lights being irrelevant.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/03 20:56:30


Post by: NinthMusketeer


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is one of my all time favorites for awful miniatures companies have put out. Just, really bad. Looks worse in person, and isn't even very good in-game either.

To be fair, it was an early model. Some of their earlier stuff does indeed look jank.
Most definitely. New releases have (IMO of course) a shocking degree of improvement.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/03 21:13:42


Post by: Lord Kragan


 Rihgu wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is one of my all time favorites for awful miniatures companies have put out. Just, really bad. Looks worse in person, and isn't even very good in-game either.


It is funny because everything you've just said is wrong :V.


you'll practically never see one painted


That's a [citation needed] if I ever saw one.



Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/03 21:25:26


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Lord Kragan wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is one of my all time favorites for awful miniatures companies have put out. Just, really bad. Looks worse in person, and isn't even very good in-game either.


It is funny because everything you've just said is wrong :V.


you'll practically never see one painted


That's a [citation needed] if I ever saw one.

TBF, we also need a citation for why I don't think it's awful. Last I checked pretty sure I do


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/03 22:07:38


Post by: chaos0xomega


I like the abomination, it has its charms.

But Ninth is still right on the money with his assessment.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/03 22:08:54


Post by: Lord Kragan


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is one of my all time favorites for awful miniatures companies have put out. Just, really bad. Looks worse in person, and isn't even very good in-game either.


It is funny because everything you've just said is wrong :V.


you'll practically never see one painted


That's a [citation needed] if I ever saw one.

TBF, we also need a citation for why I don't think it's awful. Last I checked pretty sure I do


I didn't say you were not thinking it is awful, I said you were wrong in treating your opinion as a fact :V


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/04 12:08:40


Post by: Rihgu


As interesting as this conversation has turned, PB is putting the resin incarnates on fire sale. 60$ per kit compared to 100$ before.

Only while supplies last and this is leading up to the release of the plastic incarnate sentinels, so your mileage may vary.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/04 13:43:47


Post by: Sasorijap


The developers said that when they ask about the community's favorite and least favorite models, the Abomination ends up high in both lists.

As a Spires player this monstrosity is what drew me to the game. It is still one of their first models though so it is hard to build compared to the flawless Apex Predator for example.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/04 15:16:59


Post by: Lord Kragan


 Rihgu wrote:
As interesting as this conversation has turned, PB is putting the resin incarnates on fire sale. 60$ per kit compared to 100$ before.

Only while supplies last and this is leading up to the release of the plastic incarnate sentinels, so your mileage may vary.


I mean, it's pretty obvious they want to remove the resin stock. I am personally happy they are removing resin units or, at least, making them only temporary.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/04 15:58:40


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Lord Kragan wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is one of my all time favorites for awful miniatures companies have put out. Just, really bad. Looks worse in person, and isn't even very good in-game either.


It is funny because everything you've just said is wrong :V.


you'll practically never see one painted


That's a [citation needed] if I ever saw one.

TBF, we also need a citation for why I don't think it's awful. Last I checked pretty sure I do


I didn't say you were not thinking it is awful, I said you were wrong in treating your opinion as a fact :V
I think we can all see from the quotes here that isn't what was stated by either side.


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 Rihgu wrote:
As interesting as this conversation has turned, PB is putting the resin incarnates on fire sale. 60$ per kit compared to 100$ before.

Only while supplies last and this is leading up to the release of the plastic incarnate sentinels, so your mileage may vary.
Cool models, but not nearly $100 cool. $60 though... PB resin IS really nice...


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/12 14:12:14


Post by: Lord Kragan


Fun note. They announced that 'project 8'
Will pit the following factions:

-sorcerer kings.


-hel, the og dwarfs in service of the last free dragon.

-mercenaries.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/12 21:26:15


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Would prefer they flesh out armies already in the pipeline. Even the original four have half their roster without minis, at best.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/13 14:14:42


Post by: kilcin


Part of the issue with fleshing out current armies is that when they release new armies, they have to have more of them fleshed out to catch up to the already released armies.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/13 17:22:04


Post by: chaos0xomega


Theres also strong arguments to be made about going wide instead of going tall in terms of capturing a larger audience and greater market share before diving deeper into whats already there.

Para-bellums mistake may have been releasing rules for unreleased models, as it now creates an expectation on the part of the community that those units are something that must be released, whereas nobody would utter a peep against expanding to new factions if they thought that the existing factions were already reasonably complete.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/13 22:07:21


Post by: Lord Kragan


 NinthMusketeer wrote:
the original four have half their roster without minis, at best.




A) Hundred Kingdoms.

-Imperial remnants: all the entries are available. 6/6

-Nobility: all the entries are available, bar court squires. 10/11 (8/9 unique entries).

-Faith, their unique entry is missing, the militias are available.

-Military orders, they have the priory commander, but only 1/5 units.

That adds up to 15/20 or 75%, of the listed units already for sale, all the heroes are in, but the infantry variant of the priory commander is missing. So: 2 (lord on horse and foot) +1 +1 +1 = 5 out of 6. 20 out of 26 entries, or 76,9% of the army list is on sale.

B) Spires.

-Biomancer: 4/6 entries.

-Pheromancer: 5/6 entries, 3/4 are unique.

-High clone executor: 3/4 unique entries.

-Assassin.

-Lineage highborn: 2/4 unique entries.

That adds up to 12 out of 18 unit entries (66%), all heroes are available (that makes 73.9%)

C) Dweghom:

-Ardent, 4/6.

-Raegh, 3/5 unique entries.

-Sorcerer. 3/4.

-Steelshaper, misssing the unique entry.

That's 10 out of 16 (or 62,5%, 70% with heroes).

D) Nords.

-Blooded, 6/10.

-Jarl 2/5.

-King: the two giants, missing the steelchosen. There's other units that appear in other heroes and are available. 2/3.

-Shaman, missing units that are missing on the jarl.

-Volva: full strength by this months, 1/1.

-White waste shaman is missing.

So, they've got 6+2+2+1 =11 units and 5 heroes out of 6 heroes and 10+5+3 = 18 units... or 11/18 = 61,11% of the units or (11+5)/18+6 = 66'66% of the full roster, counting heroes.

So, we have 75/76,9 ; 66/73.9 ; 62,5/70 and 61,11/66,66

I honestly fail to the validity of the 'only half the roster, at best' part



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chaos0xomega wrote:

Para-bellums mistake may have been releasing rules for unreleased models, as it now creates an expectation on the part of the community that those units are something that must be released


I honestly think that's a good decision, rather than a mistake. These units *will* be released, the players know there's stuff to come. They can even try if they like those units while they are waiting.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/14 02:36:21


Post by: Rihgu


I agree that releasing rules for the unreleased models was a mistake. The fact that they make up new units on a whim (hellbringer sorcerer), or decide to change rules based on how the model was actually executed (sea jotnar), etc. makes it a bit awkward for the purpose of "here's a list of what's going to be released".
That and they admit unreleased models are less tested and likely to get changes before/upon release, and don't allow unreleased models at their events... yea, as an embedded player I wish they just didn't release rules for the unreleased models.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/14 11:11:24


Post by: NinthMusketeer


@Lord Kragan, it seems I was wrong and way off for that matter. Thank you for correcting me and setting the record straight.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/14 13:24:36


Post by: Lord Kragan


 Rihgu wrote:

unreleased models are less tested

They are not. When testing, vanguards don't know what units will or will not be released during the 1st 2 phases of testing. They are used with the same frecuency during testing.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/14 13:28:35


Post by: Rihgu


Lord Kragan wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:

unreleased models are less tested

They are not. When testing, vanguards don't know what units will or will not be released during the 1st 2 phases of testing. They are used with the same frecuency during testing.


That is strangely at odds with the words directly from the vanguards who do playtesting who completely admit that they test the unreleased units less than the released/soon-to-be released units and tell the players that rules will always be looked at more closely when models are closer to release. There are playtesting vanguards who say with some surety that certain units (ex: Tontorr, Thunder Riders) will be nerfed before they are released because they are currently too powerful for their points.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/14 14:17:29


Post by: Lord Kragan


 Rihgu wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
 Rihgu wrote:

unreleased models are less tested

They are not. When testing, vanguards don't know what units will or will not be released during the 1st 2 phases of testing. They are used with the same frecuency during testing.


That is strangely at odds with the words directly from the vanguards who do playtesting


I am a vanguard that does playtesting.

Para Bellum doesn't tell us what to and what not to playtest.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/14 14:22:29


Post by: Rihgu


There is a miscommunication happening here. I'm not saying that they do.

I am saying that by the admission of the seeming majority of vanguards who playtest, they playtest unreleased models LESS THAN released models, because whenever this question comes up in the official discord, multiple vanguards to chime in and say this.

And the official PB line seems to be that units will be looked at closer (assuming the best for PB+playtest team here, this likely means "playtested more" rather than literally just looking at them) when they are near release, which that alone implies that they are playtested less than units that are released.

I apologize if I cannot make what I am saying make sense to you, and to prevent clogging up the N&R thread with drama, this will be my last post on the subject.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/14 14:30:17


Post by: Lord Kragan


 Rihgu wrote:
they playtest unreleased models LESS THAN released models
ç


Playtesting happens before *anything* releases. What happens is that, after release, things get fine tuned (after all, things escape testing). Unreleased things don't get used in tourneys, for the most part, so they don't get post playtesting fine-tuning.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/14 17:46:41


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I'd imagine released units are tested more than unreleased ones because you can't test units in isolation, you've got to put them in armies made up of already released models,

so every test battle you have you're playing far more released models than unreleased ones (even if it's the unreleased ones you're more interested in),


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/14 20:53:42


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Released models will get vastly more feedback from the regular player base either way.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/16 08:22:47


Post by: Sasorijap


Sea Jotnar video dropped.




Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/16 23:15:08


Post by: chaos0xomega


I wish I had more interest in Nords. Only faction that doesn't really do anything for me, but thats a real nice mini.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/17 01:09:03


Post by: caladancid


Sea Jotnar- 134.99

This game got real expensive real quick.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/17 16:26:48


Post by: Lord Kragan


Well, welcome to 2022. Not that i am happy about that one hike.


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For the record, the ice jotnar and the divinity have the same price tag, as these are meant to be 'premium' sculpts for rare units, FWIW.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/17 19:43:03


Post by: NinthMusketeer


caladancid wrote:
Sea Jotnar- 134.99

This game got real expensive real quick.
Yeah. I was NOT happy with the price tag on my Hellbringer, the Apex & Seanar have solid sculpts and good detail so there's an element of 'get what you pay for' there. But the Drake is riddled with the sorts of rough edges common to their early sculpts.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/18 03:17:15


Post by: BuFFo


caladancid wrote:
Sea Jotnar- 134.99

This game got real expensive real quick.


Large resin models with new sculpts...

You can do what I did, buy mountain giants at less than half the price, and convert them into ice and sea jotnars.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/18 16:42:29


Post by: Rihgu


FAQ/Errata/unit updates delayed until "early next week".

SIGH


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/19 17:53:12


Post by: NinthMusketeer


My patience for the quality of their rules writing* is running thin.

*Not the rules, mind you, just the way they are explained.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/19 18:20:21


Post by: Rihgu


Yea, same here. The First Blood rewrite seemed very, very clean compared to TLAOK so it does give me an extreme amount of hope for TLAOK 2.0... when their small dev team gets the bandwidth to actually do that...


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/19 23:46:38


Post by: NinthMusketeer


FB2 is an improvement but it is still below the standard IMO. They can and should do better, especially with a community quite happy to do the work for free.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/22 16:24:22


Post by: Rihgu


 Rihgu wrote:
FAQ/Errata/unit updates delayed until "early next week".

SIGH


Delayed further, now it's "hopefully tomorrow".


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/24 16:49:15


Post by: Rihgu


The Errata/FAQ is out. Unit update will come later (today? tomorrow? next week? I cannot tell)

https://www.para-bellum.com/rules-and-faq/

Fairly solid, IMHO. Funny that the linebreaker FAQ is exactly at odds with what Rhys has been saying on discord for the past few months.

Biotic Renewal nerfed to be single target instead of AoE.

Everything else seems to be wording cleanup/explanation, to me.

Reinforcement line rules just got messier by adding yet another feature to a completely unexplained rule. The fact that nowhere does it explain how pushback works but it keeps referring to it is an odd thing I will continue to pester the devs about but it really seems like it will never be fixed.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/25 21:58:50


Post by: Rihgu


And the unit updates are released too.

Dragonslayers, Vanguard Clone Infiltrators, and Biomancers nerfed. Sea Jotnars got an interesting change to be able to volley for free, while engaged, in addition to their 2 regular actions, which does bring some parity to the Ice Jotnar.

Other misc changes, too.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/28 15:20:52


Post by: Sasorijap


Size comparison between the Sea and Ice Jotnar

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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/29 10:56:06


Post by: Sasorijap


New Old Dominion Founder's Exclusive




Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/29 13:28:23


Post by: JimmyWolf87


Sasorijap wrote:
New Old Dominion Founder's Exclusive




Looking good. Bit of a shame that the main model in that group is also probably the least interesting. Still cool though.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/29 14:47:00


Post by: Sasorijap


Got to disagree, my favorites are the creepy caster and the main dude. Looks like a proper Byzantine King.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/29 14:48:57


Post by: Lord Kragan


Creepy Caster looks like a wonderful counts as hierodecon or archimandrite.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/29 17:08:54


Post by: NinthMusketeer


Hm. Underwhelming to me, what I see in the exclusives is the diorama aspect and that floors more like a nice scenic base. Compared to the likes of Eruption and at the price tag it will come with... meh.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/30 09:22:39


Post by: vultute


Are they Combat Retinue or Tactical Retinue?


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/11/30 12:57:47


Post by: Sasorijap


Combat Retinue


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Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/12/05 14:45:48


Post by: Epizeuxis


Sasorijap wrote:
Combat Retinue

I'm almost certain this is meant to be the Regalia of the Dominion (Tactical Retinue). It comes with a special Strategos - the only character that has Regalia/Tactical as "Available" instead of "Restricted", and the end of the product description even calls it out by name.
Buried in the same tomb, Alexius and his Companions arose bedecked in the full Regalia of the Dominion, ready to enforce their will on a world gone mad.

That said, it could easily be interpreted as a mix of Combat/Regalia/Arcane, so overall a very versatile set of models for the faction.


Conquest! The Last Argument of Kings! 5th Anniversary One Player Starters. p.92. @ 2022/12/08 10:25:11


Post by: Sasorijap


Kanephors and Karyatids for the Old Dominion

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