That deal through MM is too good. I decided not to wait for a more local supplier and preordered the starter. It's a more than fair bet that the game will be more expensive here even with the cost of shipping from MM.
I'm just sore I missed the super duper cheap phase of the preorder. Ah well. I'll be stuck in Japan when it launches anyways. I guess I shouldn't be in that big of rush.
Yeah, it's clear to me they won't keep that price discount on long term. Unless they get funded by a billionaire straight up.
Otherwise, it has fair appeal. But it's another wargame, clearly asking for lots of miniatures again and well the scale means it will take lots of space on the shelves too. Not even speaking about spreading the word, building a new gamer community for this game and following on long term while buying all proprietary game material that is needed.
Those models are beautiful. Sorry if I missed it, but I seem to recall somewhere that they're considerably bigger than 30mm. Are there any scale photos out there of them next to Reaper, Mantic, old GW, or other 28-30mm figures?
I'll take some pictures next to my son's warhammer later for you all (I don't play it myself) but the infantry are on 25mm bases if that helps for the moment.
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Sarouan wrote: Yeah, it's clear to me they won't keep that price discount on long term. Unless they get funded by a billionaire straight up.
Otherwise, it has fair appeal. But it's another wargame, clearly asking for lots of miniatures again and well the scale means it will take lots of space on the shelves too. Not even speaking about spreading the word, building a new gamer community for this game and following on long term while buying all proprietary game material that is needed.
There is no proprietary gaming material to buy.
It's all free. Rules, army builder, lore, art, all on the website free. A you need to buy is the models!
Man, with release incoming, I am so eager for more Battle Reports. I've watched the BoW ones, but as usual they're only modestly satisfying as those guys are so very oddly bad at gaming. :-p
It's all free. Rules, army builder, lore, art, all on the website free. A you need to buy is the models!
And their cards. And their unit bases. Which come of course with their miniatures. Saying everything you need to play is free and you just have to use your miniatures is a lie.
They're proprietary gaming material, made so that if you buy their miniatures, you have everything you need to play them right out of the box - if you buy miniatures from other sellers, you'll need to get the cards and unit bases separately in some way. Which will be more difficult, of course.
This game is indeed well thought, from a marketing point of view.
I don't think it is too unreasonable for them to expect you to buy their miniatures in order to play their game?
But even if you don't want to buy their miniatures, to have you buy some supplementary materials in order to play their game?
I never said it was unreasonnable, just pointing out how good they thought about it. And it's not innocent, to me - they're clearly trying to get their place on the market first, with a stunningly good starter for the price asked. And it is on purpose, I believe. Once they are established, have their loyal community and got their web of retailers/clubs backing them, then they can come with other prices and shenanigans. But we aren't there yet, far from it ! Let"s see first if they will manage to succeed and prosper.
Rules being free is, to me, an obvious move to seduce the new players. Let them see how the game is good, show them a solid universe with awesome artwork and interesting background and of course sell great miniatures. Preparation is the key for first impression, and so far ? Yes, I say they really did their homework here. It's a very different feeling from the swarm of Kickstarter projects, an "old school" feeling, and I love it.
But alas, I really don't have time for another time and money sinking wargame at the moment...I'm already taken in way too many projects already. Wish them good luck, though.
I feel your pain there - I don't know that I *want* to start another game system, especially with so many of my favorites being either no longer supported or not easy to find opponents for.
Outside of GW's efforts, it isn't always easy to find a game for...other games.
But this one looks good - both in terms of miniatures and the game itself.
It's okay son, show us on the doll where GW touched you! XD
the team behind this know that the business practice you've described is not long term sustainable. They've grown up playing the same games as us, reading the same books, watchingvthr same films and being disappointed by the same bs business practices of certain market leaders. They know they can do better than that! It must just be my word on it but watch this space.
You know what's really sad ? If this project was made twenty years ago, I'm sure it wouldn't be the same. But now the wargame market is so crowded...it's becoming more and more difficult for new games with interesting universes and game systems to have their spot under the sun. And yeah, I'm speaking for myself, but frankly I believe we will eventually have a problem. New games constantly keep talking to the same kind of people, and the most important ressource is the same for everyone, even those with money : time. Where can we find the time to play them all ? To collect them all ? To paint them all ? To build a community, find players to play, and so on. It's really becoming an issue, I feel. That's what I'm afraid with this project that I really like, but know I will not be able to support...that eventually, I will not be alone in the same situation.
Looking forward to those scale shots Davidian. I kept on hoping that some sprue shots from their US tour would pop up online but so far I haven't seen anything...
Gallahad wrote: Looking forward to those scale shots Davidian. I kept on hoping that some sprue shots from their US tour would pop up online but so far I haven't seen anything...
Gallahad wrote: Looking forward to those scale shots Davidian. I kept on hoping that some sprue shots from their US tour would pop up online but so far I haven't seen anything...
I'm loving everything i'm seeing here, but as i've been tapped to demo the game for a few local stores i'm not excited about trying to speed-assemble/paint two full demo armies. One forgets how high model counts can go in rank+flank games. :-p
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm loving everything i'm seeing here, but as i've been tapped to demo the game for a few local stores i'm not excited about trying to speed-assemble/paint two full demo armies. One forgets how high model counts can go in rank+flank games. :-p
I am going to demo a 5 stores. I will use my own armies. I have assembled one of most of the starter units, only the knights are not really fast. The knights take patience but they are really nice. Being larger makes things less fiddly.
Automatically Appended Next Post: A small note to those trying to build a community. Offer to split boxes with anyone if you can. I am splitting boxes with nine people who would not have pre ordered a whole set yet. 5 Humans 4 clones. So basically they are splitting with each other but I am paying upfront and collecting the money just to get the community growing and letting the stores see there is interest. May not work for you but it’s working here.
Thanks for the size comparisons. These guys are really big...yeah, it will be difficult to use other miniatures to play the game, this is not a common scale. For a rank and file wargame, the numbers seem to be lower indeed (don't forget though that demo armies tend to be smaller than those in standard games), but since the miniatures are bigger and apparently quite detailed, that means you can't skip the same on painting details because it will be easier to see even from a distance. So yeah, I think you'll spend more time than usual.
Sarouan wrote: Thanks for the size comparisons. These guys are really big...yeah, it will be difficult to use other miniatures to play the game, this is not a common scale. For a rank and file wargame, the numbers seem to be lower indeed (don't forget though that demo armies tend to be smaller than those in standard games), but since the miniatures are bigger and apparently quite detailed, that means you can't skip the same on painting details because it will be easier to see even from a distance. So yeah, I think you'll spend more time than usual.
Wondering what the other factions will look like.
During one of the BoW videos a Parabellum rep said the "standard" sized game was roughly 2x the starter box and an extra unit per player. While not OG Fantasy peasant hordes... we're still talking a healthy 150+ models per side... That's fine, mind you as I badly want this game to be a huge success, but still not a quick weekend's worth of assembly/painting either. :-p
The sizes actually sound similar to what earlier editions of Warhammer Fantasy had. It was quite common to have units of 20-25 infantry in 6th-7th ed, iirc, instead of the 40+ monster blocks you needed to field in 8th to get the most out of steadfast.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: The sizes actually sound similar to what earlier editions of Warhammer Fantasy had.
It was quite common to have units of 20-25 infantry in 6th-7th ed, iirc, instead of the 40+ monster blocks you needed to field in 8th to get the most out of steadfast.
Dovetailing off of that, I LOVE how this game uses morale/resolve. The slight abstraction works, with every single death in close combat potentially being just as devastating to the unit "psychologically".
Sarouan wrote:I really don't have time for another time and money sinking wargame at the moment...I'm already taken in way too many projects already. Wish them good luck, though.
This for me too I'm afraid. I actually need to look at selling my stuff and getting out of a game, but they're all fun; even the ones I haven't played for months.
The scale is a mistake IMO, it will stop people buying the miniatures for other games. Like adding Dweghom to my KoW dwarf army.
Sales are sales and those mini's look good.
I'm still waiting for other factions, honestly.
I do like the look of the hundred kingdoms, but I want to see what the City States, the (theorized) Dominion Remnant, the tribes, weavers and the hinted at eastern faction has to offer.
I have about 20 promo models and I love the scale increase. It is clearly making them faster to paint well. The large knights draw attention from all the way across The store. It made them easier to hold on to the pieces to assemble. I will own all of every army. The rules are fantastic. There are only 2 in the entire book I would change and they are not deal breakers.
I think the larger scale is a good choice in this case. It is what allows them to give away the rules for free because it makes them harder to proxy. It will make them much faster to paint while keeping good details.
The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games, and GW designs for AOS are so outlandish there isn't much chance for proxying anything there anyways.
I've just accepted that I have different but somewhat related scales in my collection that lie on a continuum:
Historical(Perry/Warlord/GB)-> Frostgrave/Fireforge -> GW pre AOS/Reaper/Other fantasy -> GWAOS/Other 32 mm -> Conquest
Miniatures from any category can be used with miniatures from a category up or down one from their own (imo), but aren't really compatible further away than that.
The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games...
My point is that this company will not sell anything to people playing those games.
I agree with you, but I don't think the volume of people who buy new miniatures for those types of games is very large. The main draw of those games is to use miniatures you already own to play the game.
It is true they will lose some sales to people who actively search for new miniatures to use in some game they are already playing, but I think those losses will be ultimately small.
Frostgrave seems to be doing fine with their "same height as historical miniatures but same proportions (head size, hand size, limb thickness, etc.) as much taller miniatures.
The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games...
My point is that this company will not sell anything to people playing those games.
That is a good thing not a bad thing. Those are the most negative people in all of the gaming community. The ones who want to many things for to cheap and cause the game to fail. We a building a community. The worst forum post in all games invariably end with the person complaining about things not being used for multiple games. Please move on with your I want to leach a little from every company. But not support any of them enough to stay in business and then the Game vanishes..
The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games...
My point is that this company will not sell anything to people playing those games.
That is a good thing not a bad thing. Those are the most negative people in all of the gaming community. The ones who want to many things for to cheap and cause the game to fail. We a building a community. The worst forum post in all games invariably end with the person complaining about things not being used for multiple games. Please move on with your I want to leach a little from every company. But not support any of them enough to stay in business and then the Game vanishes..
That's a sweeping and massive generalisation. Also not what I said. The models look cool, but the scale dissuades me from getting any. It's in no way about bargains or leaching.
The game gets played or it does not, that's down to all sorts of things. People buying from a company means money and their products out in the world, getting people to ask where it's from.
Every since forums came into existence I have never understood the people whining about scale for minis that are already being made. You can't change there scale so your are just forcing others to listen to you whine. If you don't like it why even post? Just move on. The generalization is 80% of the negative posts I read for a game and on Facebook end with a complaint about scale/proprietary components.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I'm still waiting for other factions, honestly.
I do like the look of the hundred kingdoms, but I want to see what the City States, the (theorized) Dominion Remnant, the tribes, weavers and the hinted at eastern faction has to offer.
What type of Eastern are we talking about here? The Middle East, Indian, Japanese, or China? There is a big swath of cultures that are considered to be Eastern.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I'm still waiting for other factions, honestly. I do like the look of the hundred kingdoms, but I want to see what the City States, the (theorized) Dominion Remnant, the tribes, weavers and the hinted at eastern faction has to offer.
What type of Eastern are we talking about here? The Middle East, Indian, Japanese, or China? There is a big swath of cultures that are considered to be Eastern.
Apparently Chinese empire inspired. Might be a bit of Japanese as well, but its probably going to be based more on the Chinese. Maybe we'll see Arabian expies and Indian expies as well, idk.
The market is flooded with "use whatever minis you want!" type games...
My point is that this company will not sell anything to people playing those games.
That is a good thing not a bad thing. Those are the most negative people in all of the gaming community. The ones who want to many things for to cheap and cause the game to fail. We a building a community. The worst forum post in all games invariably end with the person complaining about things not being used for multiple games. Please move on with your I want to leach a little from every company. But not support any of them enough to stay in business and then the Game vanishes..
That's a sweeping and massive generalisation. Also not what I said. The models look cool, but the scale dissuades me from getting any. It's in no way about bargains or leaching.
The game gets played or it does not, that's down to all sorts of things. People buying from a company means money and their products out in the world, getting people to ask where it's from.
Yeah, I think you are totally in bounds to say that the scale doesn't work for you. I've said similar things for many different kits and manufacturers where I was hoping to use their figures alongside my fantasy figures, but they went with some weird doesn't work for anything scale (like Frostgrave and Oathmark). In those cases I felt they were making kits intended to be used in a wide variety of fantasy games, and I wasn't planning on playing their proprietary game, so I felt the same as you.
I'm this case, Conquest has a strong enough setting and I'm planning to play the game, so it doesn't bother me as much.
Scaling up to 35mm seems to be a general trend in wargaming in any case. Star Wars Legion has had great success with that, despite many complaining that they couldn't use their Imperial Assault models for it (or vice versa), and 40k has been creeping up since even before the Primaris.
For the most part, I find scale differences to be negligible in the 28mm to 35mm range. I use models from West Wind and Warlord for Konflikt '47 and, especially given whole units come from particular manufacturers, I haven't noticed any jarring division. At the 15mm scale, I generally mix 15mm and 18mm models for greater variety (especially for officers and flag bearers). Months after having painted and based units I often can't remember which is the odd model out.
Of course, not wanting to buy the models because you can't use them in another game is absolutely fair enough, but it's clear that Conquest is aimed at establishing itself as its own game, not yet another model manufacturer for 9th Age stand-ins. That, in my opinion, will automatically give it more survivability.
Actually the main driving factor behind the scale choice was the minis themselves.
The 1st batch of miniatures were produced in that 25-28mm psudo-scale but due to the designs, many components were soooo weak and fiddly that they were a nightmare to build and handle without snapping bits off.
There were 2 options. Beef things up or increase the scale.
The former option was thoroughly disregarded simply because the minds that created this world and visualized it did not want to compromise the way it was brought to life, physically. They didn't want over thick spear shafts, swords as thick as an arm, large heads and hands. They wanted their vision to look the same on canvass as it looks in plastic.
So bigger models (and sooo many different scales were tested) with in-scale physiology (note the massive warhorse! ) was in. Compromising the models was out!
Simple.
They care about their world a lot and making their minis reflect that above all else.
I'm interested after playing it last year at GamesExpo however since then there seems to be a lack of UK based information/preorders and a focus on US and EU pricing etc. Totally understandable, far bigger markets. It's a struggle to drum up excitement though.
Zond wrote: I'm interested after playing it last year at GamesExpo however since then there seems to be a lack of UK based information/preorders and a focus on US and EU pricing etc. Totally understandable, far bigger markets. It's a struggle to drum up excitement though.
I think Davidian said they would be back at UK GamesExpo this year with copies to sell. I think you guys might be the first to get your hands on the game. I'm sure it won't be hard to get copies after launch.
100% is. UK distribution deals have not been announced yet. US and Canada were only announced last Friday. Will be announced soon though.
I hope you can appreciate that the impending Brexit has put it at the bottom of the list. uncertain exchange rates to come that are making it unwise to fix UK prices too early
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So a question for those that are buying in at launch:
There is a local convention (Tacticon in Denver, CO) August 29- September 1. I was thinking of running a Conquest event or two. Is that to early to have a ‘beginner’s tournament? I could just run demo games, but I’d like to try and do an actual event.
There is a local convention (Tacticon in Denver, CO) August 29- September 1. I was thinking of running a Conquest event or two. Is that to early to have a ‘beginner’s tournament? I could just run demo games, but I’d like to try and do an actual event.
Thoughts?
That seems like plenty of time to get familiar with the rules.
There is a local convention (Tacticon in Denver, CO) August 29- September 1. I was thinking of running a Conquest event or two. Is that to early to have a ‘beginner’s tournament? I could just run demo games, but I’d like to try and do an actual event.
Thoughts?
You should have the organized play book by then to help with ideas.
Well UK distributor is Asmodee so it will never be in stock. I kid. Mostly. £84.99 for the two player starter and £34.99 for Men at Arms is what I've seen so far. Not thrilled but alas the world we live in.
Zond wrote: Well UK distributor is Asmodee so it will never be in stock. I kid. Mostly.
If I had to pick a way to absolutely kill enthusiasm and player growth post-release over here that would be pretty damn high on the list. That sucks. Presumably they've got the mainland European distribution as well?
ASOIAF from CMON has been in a lull for months purely down to this.
Zond wrote: Well UK distributor is Asmodee so it will never be in stock. I kid. Mostly.
If I had to pick a way to absolutely kill enthusiasm and player growth post-release over here that would be pretty damn high on the list. That sucks. Presumably they've got the mainland European distribution as well?
ASOIAF from CMON has been in a lull for months purely down to this.
To be fair, ASOIAF have distribution changed mid-stride. I'm seeing people say its the transition that caused the issues, not the lack of desire to treat the game right. Seems like now that its done releases are being accelerated and are getting firm dates.
I've been very unimpressed with any mini games distribution by Asmodee so far (although whether that's been down to them or the companies they're distribution for is less clear),
but hopefully they will be better able to handle this one
Zond wrote: Well UK distributor is Asmodee so it will never be in stock. I kid. Mostly.
If I had to pick a way to absolutely kill enthusiasm and player growth post-release over here that would be pretty damn high on the list. That sucks. Presumably they've got the mainland European distribution as well?
ASOIAF from CMON has been in a lull for months purely down to this.
To be fair, ASOIAF have distribution changed mid-stride. I'm seeing people say its the transition that caused the issues, not the lack of desire to treat the game right. Seems like now that its done releases are being accelerated and are getting firm dates.
That's certainly made matters worst although the stock issues UK/EU side were present long before the transition (believe they were Asmodee from the start). Either case, I've heard little but cynicism and general contempt for them for any range they've distributed that wasn't their own product.
Davidian wrote: Considering one of the other options was WarCradle, I'd say they dodged a massive bullet there!
Dodge a bullet to roll into a napalm strike?
I'm being glib; I've not had a huge amount of experience with Warcradle beyond their own studio stuff like Wild West and general use of Wayland (which I've not had a huge amount of issue with).
Just hope this isn't doomed to trickle out from the get go because distribution options are limited to varying flavours of turd.
Worst case scenario, all is available direct from their web store
WarCradle are the napalm strike XD they kill games they "distribute" because they don't distribute to anyone but their sister company Wayland Games, where they discount the gak out of it. It nailed Bushido firmly in its coffin.
Davidian wrote: Worst case scenario, all is available direct from their web store
WarCradle are the napalm strike XD they kill games they "distribute" because they don't distribute to anyone but their sister company Wayland Games, where they discount the gak out of it. It nailed Bushido firmly in its coffin.
Bushido is doing just fine and trying to get an American distributor. 3rd edition “Risen Sun” should release around Gencon with the beta rules out as free downloads already. All new starter sets also available then as well.
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Still no Dweghom battle report, but there is a Noble Lord model
Spoiler:
"Observing the history of the Hundred Kingdoms and their nobles, it is perhaps no surprise that the vast majority of their houses have strong military traditions. When the Long Winter receded and humanity ventured far from the shores of the Bitter Sea, the Orders were stretched too thin to control the nobility. Soon, the paradigm of ‘might is right’ resurfaced among both aspiring and established rulers. To command swords became a matter of survival, to command them effectively promised a long rule and conquest. While the legitimacy of the Divine Right of Kings offered by the Theist Church has swayed many, the old nobility knows that power flows from the edge of the blade.
To this day, the training of a noble’s heirs in all matters military is not just tradition, but standard practice. The source of a noble’s education may vary vastly from one to another and, while theory and strategy are essential parts of their education, this is no pampered or abstract training. Many a present noble lord was once a squire, no different than any other, having spent hours taking care of their sponsor’s horse and equipment and earning their knighthood by blooding their blade. For those whose connections or wealth allow it, this is substituted by years of service as cadets in one of the Imperial Military Academies of Argem, where they undergo vigorous physical training, while also receiving the best possible education on matters of strategy, siege warfare and military logistics.
Whatever the specifics, few question that many a noble’s right to command does not derive simply from the blood coursing through their veins. The prestigious martial tradition of the Hundred Kingdoms demands leaders whose men believe in, whose training and experience foster confidence and whose skill demands admiration. A Noble Lord who issues orders can reasonably expect his men to storm the battlement, one that leads from the front knows his men would brave the gates of hell."
Montresor wrote: They look great. Nords are definitely my most anticipated faction. I am very much hoping they aren't all the bare-chested barbarian look, though.
Where did you see pics of the Nords? I saw some far away videos, but I can't seem to find any pics!
I'm at the EXPO but busy as crap! XD will take more photos later but for now, check this out..
The nords are ancient relatives of the 1st attempts of the Spire to weaponize humans. Their force of free will made them unsuitable so that line of development was disposed of... nearly.
Many many millennia later, the Nord have evolved into a entire civilisation with their own traditions and religions completely separate to those of more common lands....
There are definitely ani-morphs at the back there... wolfmen?
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The models were fantastic in person at Expo. Went there first thing on Friday morning and despite demo tables being free, asking for a demo and returning multiple times at different times both quiet and busy I never got a game so... no sprue for me.
I was disappointed. I will still buy the minis but the customer service was a tad meh at Expo I must say.
that was basically my experience today, happy to show off the painted minis and some of the unpainted sprues but no interest in demoing (or handing out goodies)
Montresor wrote: They look great. Nords are definitely my most anticipated faction. I am very much hoping they aren't all the bare-chested barbarian look, though.
Where did you see pics of the Nords? I saw some far away videos, but I can't seem to find any pics!
As you've probably seen by now, it's in the videos posted above.
Overall I was very impressed with what I saw of the miniatures at the UK expo in terms of quality and crispness of sculpts. Coming from a GW perspective some of the sprues seemed a little sparse in comparison, but not to the detriment of the final product. These are also some sizeable miniatures, the cavalry looked big to me. Cannot talk about the customer service of those on the stands as I am socially awkward at the best of times, but it always seemed busy. I am very interested to see how this game and range fares, some of the designs seem like quite an acquired taste and it is a very competitive market out there. Distribution will also be key, for example the amount of ASOIAF product available at the Expo was pitiful.
Love those trolls and heavy cav. The executor is intriguing. At first glance, it’s the first conquest model I haven’t been floored by (I simply like it rather than love it and gotta have it!), but I feel I need more information. I imagine there is a reason this guy looks so ‘un-spire-like’ and I look forward to learning what that reason is.
An chance we could spoiler those pictures for mobile users?
lord_blackfang wrote: This is easily the most impressive game that will die this year for the crime of not being GW.
Eh come on man, don't start measuring the coffin before the game is even born.
You could have said the same thing about infinity or Kings of War not too long ago, but both games are alive and well.
I don't like how you can shoot into combat with no penalty. In the rule book it says that units doing that might get the obscured penalty, but they aren't doing that. They should really change it so that it is always obscured, regardless of unit size.
Yep Sarouan, that's exactly what it is. The first Dweghom were created by the elder dragons but when those exiled for disobedience happened across War's chamber, they returned to the surface (empowered by the horsemans gifts) and murdered every subservient Dwegom in a genocide which preceded the second great dragon war. The Dwegom freed themselves from the oppression of the dragons and take great pleasure in using them as beasts of burden. Antagonizing and torturing them as.
The Drake is a lesser enslaved dragon. Lesser.
Ofc the dragons we see today are a devolved form of the once great elders...
Don't worry Cthulu. Line of sight, target restriction, obscurment etc is consistent with units in and out of combat. So intervening friendly/enemy troops are treat the same in all circumstances. Theres no "combat armour" from ramhed attacks
Less than 2 weeks to release (fingers crossed) do definitely worth resharing thos absolute beauty of a trailer...
Check out my local retailers list :O absolutely bargainous
If you except the starter box, the others are actually a bit similar to what can be found on the market. Individual boxes don't have that many miniatures inside (12 for infantry, 3 for cavalry/monstruous infantry). The starter is the only true bargain, and it only applies to 100 Kingdoms/Spire so far. We don't know if we'll get something similar for Dweghoms or Nords.
Check out my local retailers list :O absolutely bargainous
If you except the starter box, the others are actually a bit similar to what can be found on the market. Individual boxes don't have that many miniatures inside (12 for infantry, 3 for cavalry/monstruous infantry). The starter is the only true bargain, and it only applies to 100 Kingdoms/Spire so far. We don't know if we'll get something similar for Dweghoms or Nords.
When those 2 factions are released, they will have army starter sets which will net you a discount. Not as much as the 2 player set but still a discount.
They plan to periodically repackaged the 2 player starter set with new factions. So eventually it will be Dweghon vs Nords, then Wardruun vs Undead, Weavers vs City States and so on...
Check out my local retailers list :O absolutely bargainous
If you except the starter box, the others are actually a bit similar to what can be found on the market. Individual boxes don't have that many miniatures inside (12 for infantry, 3 for cavalry/monstruous infantry). The starter is the only true bargain, and it only applies to 100 Kingdoms/Spire so far. We don't know if we'll get something similar for Dweghoms or Nords.
When those 2 factions are released, they will have army starter sets which will net you a discount. Not as much as the 2 player set but still a discount.
They plan to periodically repackaged the 2 player starter set with new factions. So eventually it will be Dweghon vs Nords, then Wardruun vs Undead, Weavers vs City States and so on...
Davididan, do you have any info on the undead to share? Like how they plan o do them or anything?
What excites me most honestly is the Spire calvary, that kind of awesome weirdness was more than i could have hoped, and if the rest of the lines expand in a similar way then I am going to end up buying way too much stuff from this game.
Note. The Ardent Automaton for the Dweghom are light. So when the spire are flooding the board with drones and the 100k are sending out their skirmishes... why not just toss out some burning robots XD
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Its not that weird. Its just a centaur. Its a rather nice take on a centaur, but its still a centaur.
Sure, but at that level of abstraction elves and orcs are all just "bipedal humanoids". The details matter. It is certainly a unique take on a centaur at the very least
Davidian wrote: Note. The Ardent Automaton for the Dweghom are light. So when the spire are flooding the board with drones and the 100k are sending out their skirmishes... why not just toss out some burning robots XD
Huh, that's unusual.
I thought they would at least be medium. Brutes aren't light are they? Thought they would be brute like.
Not interested in the game, but definitely the models. Absolutely loving the aesthetics of this game (something where soooo many games fall down). Can't wait to see more of this stuff.
Davidian wrote: Note. The Ardent Automaton for the Dweghom are light. So when the spire are flooding the board with drones and the 100k are sending out their skirmishes... why not just toss out some burning robots XD
Huh, that's unusual.
I thought they would at least be medium. Brutes aren't light are they? Thought they would be brute like.
The class is more.to do with how they are deployed in the field then their physical size or weight. So expect light troops to be the type of thing each faction would use in their most forward positions.
It also gives then a very different feel in the early game.
Oh. They (and the ardent berzerkers) have the Aura of Death special rule.
Just being in base contact with them can kill you well... they are in fire...
I have been eagerly anticipating this game for years. I placed an order with minimarket because, even with shipping to Aust, that will still likely be a substantial saving.
Amusingly, now that it's almost out, I've accepted a contract for three years in Bhutan, where I might even have difficulty getting companies to ship to!
Yes I’ve heard from Athena games that they are still hoping for the 20th tho I imagine it’ll be a bit later then that. The outpost in Sheffield also have it all on the website
We have received some awaited confirmations and we must, very begrudgingly, enforce a couple of weeks delay to our launch. In order to be fair we will be coordinating our release for Friday, July 5th
Trying to be as open with you as we have been since day one, logistics encountered some hiccups and took longer than anticipated. In order to have a coordinated release in the EU and the US, we will need a bit more time. Otherwise some countries would be enjoying our product and the rest would be scratching their heads, even on the same continent.
We understand this may frustrate or sadden some of you and for that we are sorry. We were so close we could smell it... unfortunately so could Murphy's dog. Who got chased by Murphy, who then found us... and the rest is history.
While it does not make up for this delay, we will have the fully updated Rules of Engagement, including the Spires and Hundred Kingdoms army list, on our website on the 21st, as originally planned."
We have received some awaited confirmations and we must, very begrudgingly, enforce a couple of weeks delay to our launch. In order to be fair we will be coordinating our release for Friday, July 5th
Trying to be as open with you as we have been since day one, logistics encountered some hiccups and took longer than anticipated. In order to have a coordinated release in the EU and the US, we will need a bit more time. Otherwise some countries would be enjoying our product and the rest would be scratching their heads, even on the same continent.
We understand this may frustrate or sadden some of you and for that we are sorry. We were so close we could smell it... unfortunately so could Murphy's dog. Who got chased by Murphy, who then found us... and the rest is history.
While it does not make up for this delay, we will have the fully updated Rules of Engagement, including the Spires and Hundred Kingdoms army list, on our website on the 21st, as originally planned."
Eh, I'm a little disappointed that I won't be able to open the box while my son is still in school, but really this is a bigger problem for Miniature Market's warehouse than for me.
The army lists on the Para-Bellum website make for a very interesting read. I'm wondering which of the Spire units represents the drones with the crossbow pistols seen in some of the art.
It's strange that the mercenary crossbows are not options for noble lord choices given that the mercenary crossbowmen are, well, mercenaries.
I'm very interested to see what the Household Guard are like, as well as the Spire flyers.
vitki wrote: I noticed my preorder from Miniature Market got pushed from June to July. Any more concrete ideas as to the actual release date?
you are correct if you glance up a few posts you'll see a message from PB exlaining an issue with some regional distribution which has caused a delay. to base line releases they have moved it back to June 5th in all regions to ensure no on e is missing out due to location.
Very curious to hear what people think about their unboxing and first games. Have been following for a few weeks and am very intrigued but still unsure if it will get momentum in my area.
Also really interested in this game, but I've been burned so many times it feels like, on games that don't pick up traction. Neither of the first two factions speak to me yet, so I might wait to see if the Nords do it later in the year. Hopefully we'll be able to see more pictures of models by then.
It’s an obscene amount of plastic in the starter, and having played the game twice and as a longtime fan of Warhammer Fantasy this game is better in every way gameplay wise.
Pick up the starter. It’s a good deal even if you don’t play the game, but I assure you the game is fantastic and you won’t regret it!
Also, anyone know if the human side of the starter has the ‘command’ parts included?
Banner and such?
Played 5 demo games with people today. Everyone bought or split a starter after. The game is amazing and a wonderful deal.
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Mephguour wrote: Very curious to hear what people think about their unboxing and first games. Have been following for a few weeks and am very intrigued but still unsure if it will get momentum in my area.
One of my local stores has already sold 18 copies. The rules are fantastic and the minis are excellent. Someone has to lead in an area most people are sheep.
...I got rid of a few pricey items so I could justify picking up a starter. It is an honest to goodness deal at the price they're offering it.
More than likely it'll get here when I'm out of town. Once I'm home I guess I'll try getting some demo stuff ready.
While the starter stuff is nice, I'm going to really be keeping my eyes peeled for the Dweghom and character models.
Going to be interesting to see what the characters are priced at, in addition to if they continue releasing them in plastic or if they switch materials.
Maelstrom's Edge started with everything in plastic (the bulk of it still is) but a lot of the specialty character type models all ended up switching to resin.
Mine is scheduled for delivery on Friday! Looking forward to this, if anyone has any questions about contents I'd be happy to answer once I get a chance to open it up.
I hope some people get interested in it in the Seattle area (or north) so I can play a game or two
Finally got around to getting a few demo games in, and I have to say, I'm really loving it.
Old players of WHFB will enjoy seeing a lot of the similarities, and I'm impressed with how fleshed out the lore is so far.
The models look admittedly worse when unpainted, but I got to demo last night with some "basic" painted models, and they look FANTASTIC in rank and file.
It seems like the sculpts are just getting better as well, doing some research on the upcoming nord and dweghom releases, you can tell that their sculpters have changed or are getting better.
Definitely highly recommend at least trying this game! I have a pretty good confidence level in it after playing.
Okay, I haven't really been paying close attention to this, but I pre-ordered the starter and received it on Friday. Rules seem good, models are nice enough to make me look up additional stuff. 12 models cost 36€. What? That's GW pricing and to be fair, the models are nowhere nearly as good as GW plastic. Kinda bummed about this, because it probably means I wont expand on this beyond the starter.
Edit: okay, I just discovered that they are doing 1:1 for USD to Euro. That's pretty gakky.
They are considerably larger than GW minis and you suggest GW has a pricing structure. They have sets on 5 models at £35+ which you need multiples of to field a usable unit. Yoh have to pay for rulebook and army books which are updated on a regular schedule etc.
You have to factor in that they are giving all their lore, artwork, rules and army builder away for no additional cost and each box comes with movement trays and command cards.
How dare they bundle up a core starter set at a great discount! Haha.
They also dare to bundle up army starters at a slightly lower discount than the 2 player set, which also come with printed rulebook, one character and 3 units.
What they should be doing is making bundles which come to the same cost of buying units separately :/ like GW?
Btw, most traders are able to discount 15-20% I've picked up most units boxes for £25 rather than 30-odd
Davidian wrote: They are considerably larger than GW minis and you suggest GW has a pricing structure. They have sets on 5 models at £35+ which you need multiples of to field a usable unit. Yoh have to pay for rulebook and army books which are updated on a regular schedule etc.
You have to factor in that they are giving all their lore, artwork, rules and army builder away for no additional cost and each box comes with movement trays and command cards.
How dare they bundle up a core starter set at a great discount! Haha.
They also dare to bundle up army starters at a slightly lower discount than the 2 player set, which also come with printed rulebook, one character and 3 units.
What they should be doing is making bundles which come to the same cost of buying units separately :/ like GW?
Btw, most traders are able to discount 15-20% I've picked up most units boxes for £25 rather than 30-odd
Half of your points are pretty... off?
They aren't really larger than current GW models. Sure, if you compare them to 15 year old Empire kits, that might be true, but a Khorne Bloodreaver or Warrior is the same size.
Para Bellum isn't the only company with a free rule set, nor are they the only rule set with artwork and lore?
The movement trays are needed for play and don't work without them, so this isn't a bonus either. And 1 card... come on.
I really don't understand your point here.
I didn't complain about bundle prices, did I? But besides the starter, there isn't a bundle, and as I said, I didn't follow this too closely the last few months, so if heavily discounted army boxes are planned, I didn't catch it because the PB site doesn't show anything in this regard.
Your suggestion that GW isn't doing discounted bundles is also wrong.
Traders also discount other miniature lines with 12-20% on the regular, so Conquest isn't any cheaper here. Again, I don't see your point.
But like it or not, a unit of 12 basic infantry guys for 36 EUR is pretty expensive and it falls exactly in GW's price segement with 10 new-ish basic guys for 30-36 EUR.
Also, the fact remains that they are doing shady 1:1 USD to EUR conversion, which makes RoW customers pay for good US prices.
That's because they manufacture US product in the States. Its not all made in china and shipped. Nothings shady about it. Its local economics that determine this.
Davidian wrote: They are considerably larger than GW minis and you suggest GW has a pricing structure. They have sets on 5 models at £35+ which you need multiples of to field a usable unit. Yoh have to pay for rulebook and army books which are updated on a regular schedule etc.
You have to factor in that they are giving all their lore, artwork, rules and army builder away for no additional cost and each box comes with movement trays and command cards.
How dare they bundle up a core starter set at a great discount! Haha.
They also dare to bundle up army starters at a slightly lower discount than the 2 player set, which also come with printed rulebook, one character and 3 units.
What they should be doing is making bundles which come to the same cost of buying units separately :/ like GW?
Btw, most traders are able to discount 15-20% I've picked up most units boxes for £25 rather than 30-odd
Half of your points are pretty... off?
They aren't really larger than current GW models. Sure, if you compare them to 15 year old Empire kits, that might be true, but a Khorne Bloodreaver or Warrior is the same size.
Para Bellum isn't the only company with a free rule set, nor are they the only rule set with artwork and lore?
The movement trays are needed for play and don't work without them, so this isn't a bonus either. And 1 card... come on.
I really don't understand your point here.
I didn't complain about bundle prices, did I? But besides the starter, there isn't a bundle, and as I said, I didn't follow this too closely the last few months, so if heavily discounted army boxes are planned, I didn't catch it because the PB site doesn't show anything in this regard.
Your suggestion that GW isn't doing discounted bundles is also wrong.
Traders also discount other miniature lines with 12-20% on the regular, so Conquest isn't any cheaper here. Again, I don't see your point.
But like it or not, a unit of 12 basic infantry guys for 36 EUR is pretty expensive and it falls exactly in GW's price segement with 10 new-ish basic guys for 30-36 EUR.
Also, the fact remains that they are doing shady 1:1 USD to EUR conversion, which makes RoW customers pay for good US prices.
I hate to say it, but your pricing is waaaaay off for Conquest vs. GW. Let's examine in detail.
Your point is well made if you're comparing older WHFB model kits to Conquest kits, ignoring that you need fewer kits of Conquest vs. WHFB to make an army for their respective system. For example:
Now, as Davidian stated, you do get the movement trays included with your conquest models, and the rules for using them in-game (it is just the one card, as you said, but it does still apply) whereas the Empire archers just come with their individual bases and you have to purchase the army book to use them in-game. That being said, in this comparison you're correct, the empire archers are cheaper clocking in at 68% of the price of the Mercenary Crossbowmen on a per-unit basis and 82% the cost of the Mercenary Crossbowmen on a per-model basis. It may be more fair to compare the rank-n-file Freeguild Crossbowmen (10 models, $30) to the rank-n-file Mercenary Crossbowmen, but the effect is the same, though less pronounced. The Freeguild Crossbowmen come in at 83% of the cost of their Conquest counterparts on a per-unit basis, but they are 100% the same cost on a per-model basis at $3/ model in both examples. It's also important to remember that the Freeguild Crossbowmen were released more than 10 years ago if memory serves.
-BUT-
You didn't say older WHFB models. You said "10 new-Ish basic guys". But is that true? I've tried to keep my comparisons within the same army role in the various systems, if that makes sense, so as to be as fair as possible in the comparison itself.
Both of those are the 'basic trooper' of their army. They will make up the core bulk of whatever you field. As you can see, the Liberators are 172% of the price of the Men-at-arms despite having two less models in the box. On a per-model basis, the Liberators are 206% of the cost of the Men-at-Arms. That's not even close.
These are both more elite cavalry options for their respective armies/ systems, but the Fulminators clock in at 154% of the price of the Household Knights despite having one less model in the box. This makes the Fulminators a crazy 232% of the cost of the Knights on a per-model basis.
I also wanted to cover multiple bases in this cavalry comparison, so I looked at:
Both of these are the 'bruiser monsters' of their armies, but the Troggoths total 142% of the price of the Brute Drone on a per-unit and per-model basis.
So there you go. Simply put, GW's pricing is leaps and bounds above PB's in everything that has been released in the last four years. We could do an in-depth comparison of prices of WHFB models vs. Conquest models if you'd like, but I would want to look at the cost of the actual army itself vs. individual units to ensure the most fair comparison. It may be worth doing this anyway to compare the models (and thus money) needed to field an army in both WHFB and AoS vs. Conquest, but I feel extremely confident that if you're making an AoS army out of models released after AoS's launch, you're going to be spending much, much more money on GW vs. PB.
The movement trays aren't really a good argument, because the Conquest rules are written in a way that you need to use the movement trays for play, while even old WHFB didn't 'need' them. They were nice to have, but not a must have.
The comparisons are a bit off, because Fulminators for example are way bigger than the Knights and cost more points in game (compared to the 2500 default in Conquest and 2000 in AoS). Varanguard are way out of line, even for GW. We could go on and on here about minimal details and the newest waves of GW is more expensive while 2 years ago it in't necessarily, but I kinda have to agree with you, that US prices are 'fair'.
Now let's compare AoS with Conquest using the 1:1 conversion for USD to EUR.
3 Household Knights are 42€ - 6 Skullcrushers which are similiar in size (bit smaller, but beefier) are 78€. They are an older GW kit, true, but the PB sprues from the starter wave aren't on current GW production levels.
Bloodreavers are 20 guys for 46€ - compared to 36€ for 12 Men-at-arms/Crossbowmen.
I don't even want to get to kits older than a few years that still look good like basic daemon infantry (10 for 25€).
Let's switch to Stormcast for AoS.
You mentioned Liberators, which are basic infantry for Stormcast, but compared directly, are bigger than Conquest infantry and also are part of an elite army and are more expensive in game. They are still more expensive by a good amount with 49€ to the 36€ for Conquest infantry - I'll give you that.
A more fitting comparision for the Household Knights would be the Palladors instead of the Fulminators, which are 45€ for 3 (compared to the 42 for Conquest). So pretty much the same level.
A good comparison for the Brutes would be the AoS Kurnoth HUunters - 3 for 46 vs 3 for 42. So again, same level.
To be honest, I'm having a hard time to find basic infantry for AoS that is more expensive than basic infantry in Conquest - basically nearly everything that was created pre-AoS and is still heavily in use in a lot of armies is cheaper than Conquest. If you only look at the new stuff GW put out the last 2-3 years, you may be right that GW is more expensive, but not really by that much - in Euros.
And I don't agree with Davidian here, if PB produces in the US, good for them; but GW produces all 'models' in GB (that is: the troops for the armies - spells and terrain are made in China) and you can't tell me that production in GB is cheaper than US.
Hanskrampf wrote: The movement trays aren't really a good argument, because the Conquest rules are written in a way that you need to use the movement trays for play, while even old WHFB didn't 'need' them. They were nice to have, but not a must have.
The comparisons are a bit off, because Fulminators for example are way bigger than the Knights and cost more points in game (compared to the 2500 default in Conquest and 2000 in AoS). Varanguard are way out of line, even for GW. We could go on and on here about minimal details and the newest waves of GW is more expensive while 2 years ago it in't necessarily, but I kinda have to agree with you, that US prices are 'fair'.
Now let's compare AoS with Conquest using the 1:1 conversion for USD to EUR.
3 Household Knights are 42€ - 6 Skullcrushers which are similiar in size (bit smaller, but beefier) are 78€. They are an older GW kit, true, but the PB sprues from the starter wave aren't on current GW production levels.
Bloodreavers are 20 guys for 46€ - compared to 36€ for 12 Men-at-arms/Crossbowmen.
I don't even want to get to kits older than a few years that still look good like basic daemon infantry (10 for 25€).
Let's switch to Stormcast for AoS.
You mentioned Liberators, which are basic infantry for Stormcast, but compared directly, are bigger than Conquest infantry and also are part of an elite army and are more expensive in game. They are still more expensive by a good amount with 49€ to the 36€ for Conquest infantry - I'll give you that.
A more fitting comparision for the Household Knights would be the Palladors instead of the Fulminators, which are 45€ for 3 (compared to the 42 for Conquest). So pretty much the same level.
A good comparison for the Brutes would be the AoS Kurnoth HUunters - 3 for 46 vs 3 for 42. So again, same level.
To be honest, I'm having a hard time to find basic infantry for AoS that is more expensive than basic infantry in Conquest - basically nearly everything that was created pre-AoS and is still heavily in use in a lot of armies is cheaper than Conquest. If you only look at the new stuff GW put out the last 2-3 years, you may be right that GW is more expensive, but not really by that much - in Euros.
And I don't agree with Davidian here, if PB produces in the US, good for them; but GW produces all 'models' in GB (that is: the troops for the armies - spells and terrain are made in China) and you can't tell me that production in GB is cheaper than US.
We'll agree to ignore the movement trays if you'd like, but while they are technically 'nice to have' for WHFB, no one ever didn't have them. While the rules may not have required them, the game itself certainly did. In my many years of WHFB gaming, I've never seen anyone not use movement trays. Not once.
I would need to see a size comparison between the household Knights and the Fulminators because you keep claiming that the AoS stuff is 'way bigger' while it is still technically 28mm heroic. Conquest is 32mm and a Man-at-Arms (basic human) comes in at just slightly less 'big' than a Primaris Space Marine.
Changing from Fulminators to Palladors isn't a good comparison as Palladors aren't the elite shock-cavalry the Household Knights are, and instead fulfill more of the light/ harassing cavalry roll which the Hundred Kingdoms simply don't have.
It's easy to change units to support your argument without trying to make it as fair a comparison as possible (see above with the Fulminators/ Palladors). You've mentioned that the Stormcast are an elite army, so let's go with that. Building an elite 100 Kingdoms army is easily doable, so let's compare (in euros, as you'd like) the Stormcast vs. the Steel Legion.
The Liberators come in at 116% of the price of the Steel Legion on a per-unit basis, but tip the scales at 140% of the cost of the Steel Legion on a per-model basis. I am not a fan of this comparison because Steel Legion are the elite infantry choice of the 100 Kingdoms (and are also about the same size as the Liberators) so comparing them to the Retributors is more fair being a comparison two of elite infantry choices. The Retributors come in at 109% of the cost of the Steel Legion on a per-unit basis, but are a whopping 262% of the cost on a per-model basis.
I can run off a list of 'basic infantry' comparisons in Euros if you'd like. I intentionally tried to be as fair as possible by selecting entire factions on the AoS website (excluding those with very old product lines, such as Seraphon), and then narrowing it down to 'unit' and then picking the basic infantry units out of the list. I'm trying to be as fair as possible here.
12x Men-at-Arms (Conquest- 100 Kingdoms) €36.00 (€3 per model)
10x Vulkite Berzerkers (AoS- Fyreslayes) €45.00 (post AoS) (€4.50)
5x Tree Revenants (AoS- Sylvaneth) €32.50 (post AoS) (€6.50 per model)
10x Liberators (AoS- Stormcast) €49.00 (post-AoS) (€4.90)
10x Witch Elves (AoS- Daughters of Khaine) €45.00 (pre-AoS) (€4.50 per model)
10x Arkanaut Company (AoS- Kharadron Overlords) €40.00 (post AoS) (€4 per model)
16x Dryads (AoS- Sylvaneth) €33.00 (pre AoS) (€2 per model)
10x Tzaangors (AoS- Chaos) €32.50 (post AoS) (€3.25 per model)
20x Kairic Acolytes (AoS- Chaos) €40.00 (post AoS) (€2 per model)
20x Bloodreavers (AoS- Chaos) €46.00 (post AoS) (€2.30 per model)
20x Crypt Ghouls (AoS- FEC) €35.00 (pre AoS) (€1.75 per model)
20x Savage Orcs (AoS-Orcs) €40 (pre-AoS) (€2 per model)
15x Ardboys (AoS- Ironjawz) €45 (pre-AoS) (€3 per model)
The above list has 12 AoS units that would all be considered basic infantry. Of those, 6 are more expensive, 1 is the same price and 5 are cheaper. its important to note that of that list, only two of the AoS units that are cheaper than the Conquest units have been released in the last 10 years, which was a stipulation that you yourself set forward (new-Ish). It also took me about 10 minutes to type that list out, so as you can see it's pretty easy to find basic infantry from AoS that is more expensive than Conquest.
I will grant you that WHFB miniatures tend to be cheaper than Conquest for basic infantry, roughly the same for Ogre-sized models and more expensive (thought still close) for elite infantry. The limited data we have (the Spires Abomination) suggest that large monsters are cheaper in Conquest than in WHFB. However, looking at models released only since Age of Sigmar was launched in Summer 2015 (4 years ago) it is very apparent very quickly that by simply examining the price we can see that Conquest is cheaper than AoS in almost every case. There are a few cases where it is somewhat close, and there are very few cases where AoS is cheaper.
No hard feelings at all. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and while I hope you can enjoy Conquest I can completely understand budgetary consideration and I know that everyone has things they are willing to spend money on that differ from other people's. There are plenty of games out there that are cheaper than Conquest, to be sure. As an American I'm usually on the receiving end of rough gaming exchange rates (though certainly not as bad as some of our other world citizens like our Canadian and ANZAC brothers and sisters!) so I know how bad it sucks. I sincerely feel for you there!
In the UK in my area the game is sadly DOA after people saw the unit prices, a lot of people even cancelled there starters. Saying that the starter is reasonable value even if I personally only like one of the armies in it which is why I did not order it.
Going to watch and see if they do reasonably priced starters for the other factions might pickup the other human faction.
Rec’d my starters today. The figures are giant. The normal human crossbowmen easily stand as tall as Primaris SM. It’s pretty cool IMO. Only issue is, my existing terrain will be dwarfed.
SeanDrake wrote: In the UK in my area the game is sadly DOA after people saw the unit prices, a lot of people even cancelled there starters. Saying that the starter is reasonable value even if I personally only like one of the armies in it which is why I did not order it.
Going to watch and see if they do reasonably priced starters for the other factions might pickup the other human faction.
Price does seem high to me too, plus no one that I'm aware of is getting this at our club. Shame as the models look nice. Hopefully someone else gets it and starts the ball rolling.
Models do indeed look nice, but not stellar as well. I didn't find their plastic sprues that high in quality. As for the prices...there's no need to be apologetic here. Their unit boxes are indeed GW levels of prices. They're expensive, this is the truth. Just because the starter is a good deal doesn't exonerate the rest. You know people will eventually have to take the units separately just for those they can't have in the starter box, like the spire archers.
TBH, the most annoying part is their scale. They're indeed bigger than the usual 28-32 mm, even on heroic scale. They're not easily compatible with other companies' work. Some terrain intended for this scale look quite indeed small in comparison, especially buildings. They're not really compatible with your existing collection, and it is better to make specific terrain for them at their scale.
Parabellum is not better than GW. They do try to make something work on long term, and that's good - but it's pretty clear they made their stuff "bigger" on purpose so that you have to buy their products to play and not find proxies easily elsewhere.
The first batch of models were 28mm. Theh were too fine and the decision was made to not have to compromise of the vision of the world by making stupidly thick spear shafts, swords and bows to compensate. Then the big hands to compensate for that.
I would love to get into Conquest.
The figures are great!
As far as I know, they've had this scale since early on.
I know when we saw it at Adepticon 2 years ago, the figures were the current scale, and they looked amazing.
The argument that they don't fit your existing collection is crap.
A game and its minis should hold up as their own thing. Fitting into your existing collection isn't their goal.
Here comes a game where you would want to use their IP minis to represent the races and cultures they've put in the work of creating. They want them this scale because they feel it presents them best.
The first batch of models were 28mm. Theh were too fine and the decision was made to not have to compromise of the vision of the world by making stupidly thick spear shafts, swords and bows to compensate. Then the big hands to compensate for that.
Given a lot of historical kits are in plastic and perfectly fine with normal scale weapons at 28 mm, that argument is really poor.
The first batch of models were 28mm. Theh were too fine and the decision was made to not have to compromise of the vision of the world by making stupidly thick spear shafts, swords and bows to compensate. Then the big hands to compensate for that.
Given a lot of historical kits are in plastic and perfectly fine with normal scale weapons at 28 mm, I will call it bs here.
They are still exaggerated at that scale, and personally, I break a lot of mine. I prefer the exaggerated weapons of Gripping Beast over the forever broken Warlord stuff, but I prefer bigger models with more realistic sized weapons even more.
In a way the larger size is a clear commitment that they're making a game for their minis, and the game is their main focus
(as opposed to putting out minis which they realistically know will be co-opted into other games in most cases)
after all odd sized minis will have a limited appeal to some painters but probably not as much as 'normal' scale stuff, and is largely irrelevant to many other games
its a brave decision, and only time will tell if they get enough traction for it to pay off
skrulnik wrote: I would love to get into Conquest.
The figures are great!
...
The argument that they don't fit your existing collection is crap.
A game and its minis should hold up as their own thing. Fitting into your existing collection isn't their goal.
....
But selling models is their goal. Their bottom line.
And while I get your point, the game is a hard pass for me. Not into collecting other scales. I use my (embarrassingly large) 28-32mm scale figures for boardgames, tabletop wargames, RPGs... Someone comes along with a 40mm scale game, and I can't be bothered.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess I'm not alone either. Really seems like a missed opportunity as a lot of the figures look neat. The argument that 40mm vs. 30mm presents them best is, at best, some seriously flawed thinking
And some people won’t buy anything other than 6mm. So be it.
Another thing I have noticed over the years is that everyone thinks the scale they like best is God’s Own. Naturally, a 40k-centric forum will attract people who own a lot of whatever you want to call the scale GW has used, is using, and will use (despite the fact those aren’t the same thing at all). This uh, cloud of scales, is generally called 28mm although now that it’s more like 35mm it seems people are getting around to calling it 32mm.
ANYHOW I get that using these minis for something other than playing Conquest might be nice incidentally but it’s tough to imagine people actually paying for them with that as the primary intention. Put it another way, I simply don’t believe that anyone would totally buy into this but oh man too bad wrong scale.
ANYHOW I get that using these minis for something other than playing Conquest might be nice incidentally but it’s tough to imagine people actually paying for them with that as the primary intention. Put it another way, I simply don’t believe that anyone would totally buy into this but oh man too bad wrong scale.
To be honest (and to me), it's also a kind of insurance that, in case of the game not working and Parabellum suddenly going out of business, you can still use the miniatures for something else. Once you have a scale that is not common on the market, it's much more difficult to recycle your models that way. I'm not even talking about selling them to someone else.
Truth is, market is saturated nowadays. I have seen lots of promising games fail in a miserable ways during the years, so that's why it's annoying me so much - I'm staying away from their humans because of that reason, others miniatures can still be used in some ways to me. I understand why other potential players are reluctant - most of the time, they are those who already have others miniatures/games at home.
Adding up the points that are in the starter, you get 580 points of Hundred Kingdoms and between 560 and 595 points of Spire (since the Pheromancer has to take a Pheromancy at 15 to 50 points), all before upgrades. 600 points per side, no problem, straight out of the box.
Also, the Pheromancer's supremacy ability is NUTS! Imagine a big 'ol block of Force-Grown Drones with +2 resolve. You could easily get them to a resolve of 6. Tasty! They may not be able to fight their way out of a wet paper bag, but they aren't going anywhere!
I tend to assume that all other-than-40k minis games are headed for the dustbin sooner rather than later. That’s “what History teaches us” anyway. So, at least for me, I factor that assumption into my decision to buy a game. I don’t need the components to be anymore interchangeable with those of other games than I do with, for example, board games. So again, while being able to use the minis for something else is a fine incidental benefit, I don’t believe it’s actually the crucial point in any coherent decision process.
A Pheromancer-enhanced block of Drones does indeed seem pretty awesome, although they certainly need a buff. Does anyone know what the command option in the expansion box does for them?
ANYHOW I get that using these minis for something other than playing Conquest might be nice incidentally but it’s tough to imagine people actually paying for them with that as the primary intention. Put it another way, I simply don’t believe that anyone would totally buy into this but oh man too bad wrong scale.
To be honest (and to me), it's also a kind of insurance that, in case of the game not working and Parabellum suddenly going out of business, you can still use the miniatures for something else. Once you have a scale that is not common on the market, it's much more difficult to recycle your models that way. I'm not even talking about selling them to someone else.
Truth is, market is saturated nowadays. I have seen lots of promising games fail in a miserable ways during the years, so that's why it's annoying me so much - I'm staying away from their humans because of that reason, others miniatures can still be used in some ways to me. I understand why other potential players are reluctant - most of the time, they are those who already have others miniatures/games at home.
That just seems sensible to me. Something that's way too out there (or way too distinct- I'd never buy DC superheroes or harry potter minis) puts me off. If I can't incorporate the models into an RPG or something, a flavor of the month game has no pull.
A Pheromancer-enhanced block of Drones does indeed seem pretty awesome, although they certainly need a buff. Does anyone know what the command option in the expansion box does for them?
There is a pheromonic node which acts as leader and banner and a cathonic(spelling?) node which explodes once per game for 2D6 hits. The highest D6 is also applied to the drones.
At the very least the Spire units could probably sneak into other games in a variety of bad guy roles. Once the ogres, trolls, and other assorted monstrous folk start showing up I bet they could too.
Have we seen any Dwegom in any sort of scale shots with other Dwarf type models?
"Hi guys, It looks like next month will be a bumper one for Conquest: Last Argument of Kings. Here is what is on my price list for release in August (Including my 20% discount!):
Well I caved and ordered the two players starter set. Fingers crossed I can get some more interest out of my hobby group, and that it gets enough general attention to keep it going.
Scale has been tending to creep up for quite a while now, as even GW is shifting towards true-scale, even before the new marines. I haven't compared the models side by side, but the Conquest minis seem to be about SW Legion sized, which is perfectly fine. As the design aesthetic of Warhammer fantasy (AoS) is starting to look like He-Man and Flash Gordon had a love child, I'm much more interested in Para-Bellum's setting.
Considering that everything in the starter is useful for both armies, another core never hurt nobody....
I just opened myself up to taking whatever side someone doesn't want in a box split at my local store. Hopefully I can generate some interest to try it out!
On a semi-related note, I'm actually enjoying these Spires models a lot more than I thought I would. I'm actually planning on picking up a couple of regiment boxes today. Definitley going to make one of them Force-Grown Drones, but for the other I can't decide between Household Knights or Men-at-Arms. These are the hard decisions, folks!
Followed Conquest for some time now, and love the whole setting, artwork and general feel. It's all quite grim and brutal, just how I like it.
But the game itself is not super convincing (mostly due to myself not wanting to get into yet another mass battle system) and the models scale prevented me from throwing my money, for now (I tend to like compatibility accross different systems).
However, the lore and artwork are fantastic, so I was wondering... Will there be any printed book containing a mass amount of lore, art, world-building info, etc? More stuff besides the gaming aspect? I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
The scale is not that bad. I've been working on some Men At Arms. They're big and burly but not overtly gigantic, unless they're with LOTR, Frostgrave, or older models.
Dweghom confirmed for September along with steel legion, clone marksmen and all current 100k & spire characters
Pre orders at retailers will be available next week.
Stay tuned for more information over the coming weeks!
“…during my descent, I heard something, same-blood. I heard the world spin. I heard Eä and I heard the war she wages with forces unseen. I heard history unfolding as the world turned and the Dweghom were not part of it. I heard the drums of War calling from above. I hear them still,” he went on, “louder than ever. How can you not? Thud-thud, they go, same-blood. Thud-thud, at the beating of my heart. They sound too loud for such a small Hold.” He raised his voice, deepened it to echo and it thundered, so that all the Clan gathered could hear him.
“I am Alekhaneros!” he said in his deep, loud voice, thumping his fist on his chest with passion. “Called Azdhaen, of Clan Dheubrodsûn! And I’d rather be a Thane remembered by a world, than a King of a Hold that all forget!” He looked upwards, like an angry, mad prophet, calling the world as witness.
“EÄ! MOAGHM DORH!”
He pulled his axe, grabbed it with both hands, eyes widened, lips snarling. Then, with a scream, he lowered it on the chain he had climbed.
Silence fell, as sparks sprouted from the metals clashing. Everyone held their breath, but for the Thane who panted. The metal left a sigh, heavy, broken, prolonged.
Then it cracked.
Clangs of giant chains breaking fell like thunder in the closed hall, cogs unseen rolled loudly. Screeching from years of immobility, the giant doorway opened. Light poured in the dusty, sealed upper floor of the Hold, pure unfiltered sunlight. An entire clan of Dweghom raised their hands to shield their eyes, grimacing with annoyance. Many hesitated.
“Dweghom!” called the Thane. “MARCH!”
My biggest gripe so far in building these has been the lack of optional bits. Some units really don't get much variety (Brutes) where as some you can really tinker with waht parts get used (Knights).
I'll say this- I usually don't like painting big mobs of models but I'm already a third of the way through painting the entire starter box.
I’m running a 600-point beginner’s tournament event at Tacticon 30 in Denver, CO on Sunday, September 1 at 10:00.
600 point armies, must be assembled, no paint requirements. I will be providing prize support myself. If I don’t get at least 6 people, I will run 600 point demo games and will give out prizes in a raffle or something. I’d like everyone to walk away with something!
So the full range of resin characters for 100k and Spire hit the shelves yesterday along with the Steel legion and Spire archers.
The packaging quality is immense.
The resin quality is A1 standard and there isn't a sign of banding or warping in ANY of the thinnest components!
The digital cards that we were worried about are in fact real physical cards but they have a digital tag on them that you will be able to scan with the army builder app when its released! So you can instantly reveal the stats and rules if you haven't printed out your army list! What a cool suprise!
Will post videos of unboxings after the weekend (off camping now)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Dweghom still on track for end of September.
Yannis has personally spoke on the release delay saying that the teething issues with logistics have been ironed out and the ripples from that will iron out gradually. The main issue now is the demand XD
All those hero models are still listed as preorders on MM and they're all out of stock too. So nyah.
If MM has all the Wrath of Kings stock these days and really wants to move it without being hand held by CMON then yeah, it could be a glorious Black Friday.
They had a big 75% off sale a couple months ago. I would expect Black Friday to be at least as exciting.
As for Conquest minis, so far the Knights are the most impressive to me, by which I mean I was blown away by them. I'm sorely tempted to buy some more, along with some Blood Angel chalice bits and, of course, a Ravenwing Accessory Sprue, to make some Bretonnian Grail Knights. Or maybe get another Knight hero, leave his creepy baby face exposed, and add a bunch of plastic hands and genitals to make him look even more Kingdom Death than he already does.
Yeah, Miniature Market is out of stock of both the Starter (again!) and the Steel Legion box.
I've been waiting to buy until I could get the starter plus archer drones plus steel legion all in a go.
Hopefully soon.
I think the new GW contrast range will be perfect for painting up Spire drones, and I've picked up a couple in anticipation.
I saw some of the miniatures in person the other day and was... Extremely unimpressed, to put it lightly. I recall seeing the abomination, men at arms, and a couple others I don't recall the name of. Are these earlier sculpts and future releases will be higher quality?
NinthMusketeer wrote: I saw some of the miniatures in person the other day and was... Extremely unimpressed, to put it lightly. I recall seeing the abomination, men at arms, and a couple others I don't recall the name of. Are these earlier sculpts and future releases will be higher quality?
Yeah I saw them in person last week and they were so bad it wasn't even funny. Shame really as I've followed it's progress for a while and was pretty hyped about the game.
Looks like they are making some very cool looking t-shirts! I'll take a 100 Kingdoms one, please
Spoiler:
Also, the army builder is really neat. Quality stuff.
The only thing that is somewhat annoying when making army lists for Conquest are the Mainstay/Restricted options tied to certain heroes. Particularly, when a unit is only available as restricted to a single hero. Or a hero only having access to one type of unit, nothing else. It really forces you to build a force in a certain direction if you want to include something in particular. The starter set for the 100K is not even legal! And I don't want to get an imperial officer just for the crossbows....
Theist priests wouldnt ever have a regiment of men at arms in their personal warband but if they are allied with a noble then there is nothing stopping him from joining them even though they are in a seperate warband.
BUT I really think a minimum flexibility for some choices should be allowed to not make it that restricted, which could probably be done without compromising the fluff. Sure a Priest will never have some Order units in his warband, for example, that is quite logical. There are however more "general" units that don't have a strong affiliation like the mercenary crossbowmen (as per available fluff). Wouldn't a noble lord employ them if he considers them useful?
So, I simply think that between complete soup and very restrictive choices, there could be a middle spot
well the guys have always maintained that the lists as written are for competitive play and that they shold never hold you back from from enoying the game how you want.
WRT crossbowmen. we've been using them as mainstay for nobles until now and it works okay.
Ladies and gentlemen, to countermand delays in our very aggressive release schedule, while remaining committed to the fast population of the game, we are in the middle of restructuring our logistics and production schedules, so as to normalize our shipping dates. As a result, we will be shipping the first Dweghom wave in the third week of October, BUT it will now include more units. Three expansion boxes, including a dual-kit for a total of four different regiments, will stand ready to be fielded, commanded by two characters. Very shortly after, the first wave of Nords will be shipped, including characters, so before the end of the year, all four factions will be able to mount fully legal armies on the field, as has always been our goal.
Come January, we will be able to focus entirely on fleshing out our starting factions, at least until next summer, when new roars and drums of war will sound. We are also working hard to bring you an extra Holidays surprise for December but more on that when the deal is sealed.
This delay is not ideal, either for you or for us, and for that we apologize. If it’s any consolation, there is a great deal of frustration in having plastic Dweghom and Nords parading around the office without being able to bring them to you. But in order to deliver the consistency, volume and quality of releases we want in the future, we are confident that this is the best way to proceed right now. Bear with us. Our long term plans are not affected in any way and, if anything, this helps us build a stronger foundation for them. In the meantime, we can only thank you for embracing Conquest as you have. The feedback, response and enthusiasm we have seen is beyond belief!
Gamenerdz is selling the core box for $45 today. It might rotate out around lunch time -- didn't check yesterday so I don't know if this is Sunday's Deal or Monday's deal as they can be a bit inconsistant when they rotate.
I think that's kind of the point though? Nords aren't actually human, iirc, they're the descendants of gods. So of course they are going to have some absurd musculature.
Gallahad wrote: Nords look okay, but they are too muscled in the arms to the point they look out of proportion to me.
Indeed, the Blooded have muscles like the branches of the great life tree as the very blood of the Gods run through their veins. Most other nord are more in proportion like the stalkers and Jarl
Ok, so I'm assuming that the hoplite is from the city states, the burning angel is from the Dominion, the big guy is the Wugrum or tribes or whatever, and the burning dude is from the weavers?
Is the 3rd one in the artwork this settings version of Orcs?
I vaguely remember them saying how their version of Ors were all about hunting and had a great sense of smell. I think there was even a picture of them on the hunt with giant mamoth type creatures being ridden. It did look very good.
We've got 16 players in Louisville area now, and will be kicking off this campaign in January.
The adepticon thing looks fun but i'm not buying 2000 points of whats out now, only to have to scrub it later because i won't use it all when the full line drops. We're at 1250 right now waiting on new units.
That's a good point. Might fire them an email. With the laid back vibe they are going for and the benefits that come with gamers needing to pack fewer models lowering the game size might be wise.
The poor guy that wants to play Nords with only 2 characters, 2 troops and the Jotnar available
"I'll take 4 of each...".
1000 points for the tournament would be reasonable, and probably even better to promote the game as having larger armies all duplicating units and looking the same isn't great both in terms of gameplay and aesthetic.
I would agree and suggested a 1000 - 1250 point event in vanguard email but was declined. Thats fine, I hope it goes well for them there are people excited for it so it will happen regardless.
Out of curiosity just had a look at what is currently available for this game, as I am always looking for nice plastic fantasy kits. All I can say is: I don't think this game will survive... those prices are absolutely disgusting. 12 plastic Dwarfs for €39. Not even GW dare charge that for so little.
I would like to see the game do well, but for that to happen those prices really need to come down a few bob.
I concur. The prices and the starter set I ordered turned out to be pretty disappointing. Any plans I had to buy dwarfs, knights or anything else were instantly scrapped when I saw the prices for boxes.
Any excitement I had for building armies died when I saw that the sprues had no optional bits or bling or extra arm or head choices. Only the knights seem to give a hobbyist any joy, and they are amazing. The footsoldiers are beyond boring (and they look like they were sculpted for 25mm and blown up to 35mm), not at all worth the money. I have literally seen more exciting bottle caps. (The gothic orange juice ones.)
Then there’s the total lack of a hook in the starter. There was no fluff in the little rule book, not even flavor text. I keep hearing how great the background of this setting is, so why is it not there to lure me in?
I really wanted Conquest to be the one, but it turns out I was just in love with being in love.
As usual Bob does a good job of summarizing a lot of my similar feelings, and we've had this conversation before.
A lot of the models feel like they were enbiggened, but then their details were not further refined for the larger size. Plus the footsloggers are just kind of boring. They could have embellished them a bit more. As it stands I think Fireforge's fantasy men at arms do a better job at representing the typical human grunts in the field.
I do like the Spire stuff. The archers were quite cool but the sprue composition made getting the parts off a chore. I look forward to seeing what other weirdness they have coming.
I still think it's early to call it a day on this one, but it's nowhere near the pricepoint I would prefer to see a mass battle game at either. I still want some Dweghom but they're just too pricey for what you receive at the moment.
stonehorse wrote: Out of curiosity just had a look at what is currently available for this game, as I am always looking for nice plastic fantasy kits. All I can say is: I don't think this game will survive... those prices are absolutely disgusting. 12 plastic Dwarfs for €39. Not even GW dare charge that for so little.
If you check the current dwarf miniatures from the aos range, you have 10 minis for 40 or 45€ (arkanauts, vulkites). I think the Conquest miniatures are on the higher end of the spectrum regarding price (no discussion there) but when comparing to other companies, doing so with GW is never a good idea.
Also important to note: Conquest minis have a larger scale. Humans often comparable to SCE, for example (and we know how prices work for that....).
Then there’s the total lack of a hook in the starter. There was no fluff in the little rule book, not even flavor text. I keep hearing how great the background of this setting is, so why is it not there to lure me in?
The little rule book is suppose to be just that, a print version of the rules available on the web. I guess it is common in starter sets. I e-mailed them about fluff content and plans to release books or whatever, but they said it is far away, if it ever happens.
All the fluff released is online, on their website, videos or pdfs. They explained that the release schedule and fluff introduction follows a specific story arc, they don't want to drop 100 pages of fluff and that's it.
The Nepenthe story(available as pdfs and on videos) shows well the beginnings of the conflict between the 100 Kingdoms and Spire, serving the introduction of the core box release. They did the same for the Dweghom when released.
Putting out fluff for free for everyone to check is something that seems reasonable enough, can't blame them. I also like how it follows a logical chronology within the Ea world, instead of just random piles of fluff. A good way of telling an unfolding story.
stonehorse wrote: Out of curiosity just had a look at what is currently available for this game, as I am always looking for nice plastic fantasy kits. All I can say is: I don't think this game will survive... those prices are absolutely disgusting. 12 plastic Dwarfs for €39. Not even GW dare charge that for so little.
If you check the current dwarf miniatures from the aos range, you have 10 minis for 40 or 45€ (arkanauts, vulkites). I think the Conquest miniatures are on the higher end of the spectrum regarding price (no discussion there) but when comparing to other companies, doing so with GW is never a good idea.
Also important to note: Conquest minis have a larger scale. Humans often comparable to SCE, for example (and we know how prices work for that....).
Just checked the GW dwarfs... bloody hell fire! Ok, Conquest Dwarfs are slightly cheaper. However that doesn't make the price tag any more acceptable.
Oathmark still has some of the best valued plastic Dwarfs.
But Oathmark dwarfs don't have giant flaming automatons, dragon mounted cannons, dwarfs on fire strolling across the battlefield, balloon dwarfs, or naked ur- golden butt cheeked dwarfs.
I hate it when I glue true scale heads on heroic scale bodies... Anyway, I hope they have a lot of luck with the Nords. Sounds like there’s an eager market for them, so that’s good.
@VBS. Most starters DO come with fluff, though. Dropzone Commander’s starter set rulebook made me a fan of the setting for life, and though I’ve never played a game of DZC (and only one of DFC), I’m still spending. Mantic, Frostgrave and Warlord games have managed to put out printed fluff in easily digestible chunks that do a lot to keep me interested in their games’ developments. Even the freakin’ Robogear starter came with a fluff pamphlet, and it was surprisingly compelling in a “Soviet sci fi of the 30’s” kind of way.
I wish Conquest had made the effort to meet me halfway with a starter set pamphlet in the box I bought so that I could be inspired to make the effort to read their background online and maybe even buy more minis. Hell, I’d buy a trade paperback of pure fluff if they sold one.
@Highlord, the Avatars of War plastic dwarf Slayers is still my favorite dwarf kit of all time. Wish they’d make more.
stonehorse wrote: Out of curiosity just had a look at what is currently available for this game, as I am always looking for nice plastic fantasy kits. All I can say is: I don't think this game will survive... those prices are absolutely disgusting. 12 plastic Dwarfs for €39. Not even GW dare charge that for so little.
If you check the current dwarf miniatures from the aos range, you have 10 minis for 40 or 45€ (arkanauts, vulkites). I think the Conquest miniatures are on the higher end of the spectrum regarding price (no discussion there) but when comparing to other companies, doing so with GW is never a good idea.
Also important to note: Conquest minis have a larger scale. Humans often comparable to SCE, for example (and we know how prices work for that....).
Just checked the GW dwarfs... bloody hell fire! Ok, Conquest Dwarfs are slightly cheaper. However that doesn't make the price tag any more acceptable.
Oathmark still has some of the best valued plastic Dwarfs.
Dont forget all the rule books and battle tomes you need to play. The Dweghom come with rules and army builder in the price
Holy crap these guys can create some scene-setting videos, that is monster cool! 1:30 minutes, and I feel like I know who the Nords are. Same with the great Kingdoms video from a few pages back.
Look rather awesome, love the infiltrators and the preceptor.
However, I do think it is weird to sell a unit upgrade as (probably) an individual character, I'd think it would be smarter to make a sprue with all the upgrade options instead. The Preceptor could however work as a better looking Assassin or Executor.
It doesn't make much sense when you can just swap a few pieces. The Seasoned Veteran of my men-at-arms is a regular dude with the head + shield of the Household Knights (the extra bits are nice )
Those characters look nice, the troops look so stiff and awkwardly posed it is hard for me to appreciate the better elements. Those vanguard clones look like they made a really strong effort to do dynamic posing but ended up in an 'uncanny valley' of not-quite-there. The humans look decent because the stiffness doesn't stand out as much with their standing poses, but to me they still look like something I could get from Perry Miniatures at a cheaper price.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Those characters look nice, the troops look so stiff and awkwardly posed it is hard for me to appreciate the better elements. Those vanguard clones look like they made a really strong effort to do dynamic posing but ended up in an 'uncanny valley' of not-quite-there. The humans look decent because the stiffness doesn't stand out as much with their standing poses, but to me they still look like something I could get from Perry Miniatures at a cheaper price.
The Spires need to kick it up a notch and let their biomancy run rampant.
More mutants, more abnormalities, more weird body shapes- don't hold back!
I know they've got some centaur looking cavalry coming as well... that's what I'm talking about!
I think we're just seeing the mostly tame stuff. Looking at the full roster, they've got some weird things that look like they will fill the mutant, abnormal, and weird body shaped varieties you're asking for.
I really like the Clones, and the character. He's a decent upgrade for a unit (between 15-25 depending on the unit), and multiples might be worth getting. Maybe they will have multiple sculpts of them? The same could be said of the Seasoned Veteran.
I think the best is yet to come. The concept behind the Orders of the 100K or the Avataras for Spires make them sound like some potentially crazy miniatures. Not to mention big monsters like the Desolation Beast or the Siegebreaker.
The only bad thing is they can't come soon enough
It looks like the helmets are separate from the heads. I'd bet you can make them look less stupid by shaving off some of the top of the head to have the helmet sit lower on the head.
That's a little surprising. The abomination was on the Drop not that long ago....
If it comes down a decent amount, I might buy it just for the Force Grown drones, as I could always use more of those. The rest as conversion fodder perhaps? I already have two starter sets worth of Spires and two sets of marksman, as well as the additional characters.
The more I see about this game, the more I realize it has all the things I love about ASoIaF (minus the convenience of preassembled minis), but manages to actually have both steady releases, and avoid supply issues.
I think once faction starters are available, my wife and I will go all in.
Despite my initial disappointment with the details on the plastic models (the resins are great though) and no real interest in painting and building big blocks of similar models, I really do like everything that continues to be released.
I'm still trying to figure out what's up with that Dweghom Steel Shifter. Is his arm a cannon, or a shield, or some other weird contraption?
The Dweghom are just weird in general. Some of the flame berserkers almost look like cyborgs. I dig it. I can't make up my mind if I want to give them real pallid grey flesh and dark armor or make them more normal.
So Spire Vanguards, 100k militia and new characters on sale, Dwegom dragon hunters and hold Thanes up for preorder.
More exciting though. Para Bellum have announced their organised play kits containing OP exclusive minis and card arts.
This month starts the first Para Bellum official painting competition as follows:
What do all mighty armies have in common? Colors flying high, striking fear to their enemies’ hearts of course!
As the official launch of Organized Play draws near we decided to give you a taste of the full scope of our O.P. program. Starting now, we will hold a monthly painting competition with a different theme each time.
The winners of the monthly painting competition will receive the Organized Play kit’s miniature as prize!
This month's theme is "Single Infantry Miniature" starting today!
Prepare your army's mightiest warrior and post your entry on your social media by February 29th with the handle #colorsofconquest
Definitely buying the book(s).
Not too much into organized play, but if it's a yearly thing (season) I'll look into for the exclusive minis (if nice). The fact there are engaging events is cool though.
Makes sense to add more units to the Theist Priest. Can't even be played otherwise, and lore wise, I'm sure filth illiterate peasants are easily influenced by the Church.
I'm only sad coz this maybe means the Sicarii are far down the queue (and I'm very interested in seeing them!).
VBS wrote: Definitely buying the book(s).
Not too much into organized play, but if it's a yearly thing (season) I'll look into for the exclusive minis (if nice). The fact there are engaging events is cool though.
They giving the exclusives minis away as prizes for their monthly painting competition too if that tickles your pickle
The history of Ëá is ser in stone and due ri be part of a collectors rule book, that much we know but it has been revealed that The Fate of the Legions will be a story line in Conquests living world where players will decide the worlds fate.
I really want to see what kind of extra art they'll add. I recall a while ago seeing some art depicting the different "Gods". Have full color pages of those would be awesome.
There has been no news on a french release. There is a lot of french activity though, we have three or four french vanguards in the discord channel doing demos.
Also make sure you check our Conquest thread in the "Other games" section of Dakka.
The competitive kit is supposed to drop anytime now (season 0). The limited edition mini was I believe a vanguard thing for them running the event since they can't win anything, but those things could change (I am only going off of bits in discord that we have seen). I don't know what you win from the painting competitions but yes they want to do everything in their power to reach out to the community in a variety of ways.
The living campaign world is something I am looking very much forward to and this is the first game I'd ever consider tournament play in in over 13 years now since I gave that up because the GW systems burnt me out and pay to win burn and churn.
On lore: its all on their site. I am making a wiki that consolidates it all as well in addition to my version of an army builder that has stats and probabilities baked in to the output. The collectors book will also be available with their lore, and they publish snippets and stories regularly and publish to their site (look under "whats new")
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also preorders are up for DragonSlayer/Thanes, and the Nord ogres (ugr)
) was in. Compromising the models was out!
Bushido is doing just fine and trying to get an American distributor. 3rd edition “Risen Sun” should release around Gencon with the beta rules out as free downloads already. All new starter sets also available then as well.
