New nighthaunt model is a nice sculpt in general, but not really fitiing the aesthetic of the army as a whole. Its better than the ferryman endless spell, but id prxy it for the spell, and not as a nighthaunt unit. Sorry fans, but i just dont see it fitting the rest of the boo bois.
The new terrain is nice. Mixing it with old terrain... dumb. I want the new terrain for warcry. The old terrain doesnt fit warcry, because nobody is rebuilding azyrite buildings in the bloodwind spoil, they are infact, defacing them.
Wiz Warrior wrote: New nighthaunt model is a nice sculpt in general, but not really fitiing the aesthetic of the army as a whole. Its better than the ferryman endless spell, but id prxy it for the spell, and not as a nighthaunt unit. Sorry fans, but i just dont see it fitting the rest of the boo bois.
The model ties into the aesthetic of the Nighthaunt just fine...
Spoiler:
Notice the rose motif found on both models that tie the designs together (along with the long flowing robes, the long hair, the lesser spirits swirling around the model, etc.)
The new model is cool, but I feel like the last thing Nighthaunts needed was another hero. I would have preferred either a piece of faction terrain or a monster. I imagine that they added this guy so each subfaction has a named character focused around it.
I also really like the new incarnate and am happy to see GW revisit the idea. Once they release it separate from a boxset, I will likely pick one up. Eager to see its warscroll and how the bonding rule actually works.
I am bit undivided about the boat ghost. It feels like it would be easier to build an army around the new model than to add the new model to an existing army themewise.
Dysartes wrote: Rather than going off on one, care to expand on why you think the Ferryman doesn't fit the range?
The nautical theme of the new model does feel a little off when compared to the general, and generic, graveyard theme of the army. They did add a tombstone to the new model's base, but it feels odd. The spirits being drawn to the model are also visually different from the spirit hosts and other models (OBR) that share the same look.
Things it does right for nighthaunt:
Its another nighthaunt model.
It has roses and thorn vines.
It is well sculpted.
Despite that, it misses the mark because:
Nighthaunt are spectral and sculpted as spectral units, this one doewnt really match that aesthetic. If anything, its spectral units clamoring for it.
Why the cage on the ferryman? This is under the auspices of the torturers and jailors in the nighthaunt. Its not easily apparent, to even tbose who deeply know the lore, why this aesthetic chouce was made.
There is already a ferryman model for death. Granted, its an endless spell, but as i already noted, this makes a better replacement for that endless spell than it does as a unit.
I dont dislike the model. Again, its a great sculpt. Its just not a nighhaunt model. The sciptor mortis us a great fit. This one is a miss. Im glad so many people like it since it is sure to sell and thus make gw notice nighthaunt even more for future support. But i feel its a miss.
I eagerly await more feedback about how wrong i am and how i am clearly too stupid to understand how this is the best nighthaunt model, by simply lunkung to an image as if thats all the evidence that is needed. So ill just say it right now: im so wrong and youre so right.
Dysartes wrote: Rather than going off on one, care to expand on why you think the Ferryman doesn't fit the range?
The nautical theme of the new model does feel a little off when compared to the general, and generic, graveyard theme of the army. They did add a tombstone to the new model's base, but it feels odd. The spirits being drawn to the model are also visually different from the spirit hosts and other models (OBR) that share the same look.
The dead come from all walks of life, from kings and queens (Kurdoss Valentian and Lady Olynder) to criminals (Chainrasps) and everything in between. A ferryman that drowns his passengers fits in thematically with executioners who knowingly execute the innocent, etc.
The dead come from all walks of life, from kings and queens (Kurdoss Valentian and Lady Olynder) to criminals (Chainrasps) and everything in between. A ferryman that drowns his passengers fits in thematically with executioners who knowingly execute the innocent, etc.
I would contend that just because something shares a theme doesn't mean it shares the same aesthetic. In this case, the components of the new model that are shared across the range come off as out of place given he is a ferryman (briar roses and vines or a single tombstone) or are markedly different from existing examples (spirits). Ultimately this all comes down to individual tastes. Personally, I find the model on its own to be interesting and very cool. That said, I don't care for it against the backdrop of the full range.
I dont dislike the model. Again, its a great sculpt. Its just not a nighhaunt model. The sciptor mortis us a great fit. This one is a miss. Im glad so many people like it since it is sure to sell and thus make gw notice nighthaunt even more for future support. But i feel its a miss.
With regards to Mr. Deathnote (Scriptor Mortis), I do feel he fits in with the overall aesthetic of the army, but I hate the look of him. I had the same reaction to him that I did when I saw the harridan models. Cool concept, but not executed to my taste. I get that they are ghosts, but I find the extra limbs unappealing visually.
The aesthetic refers to the look. Aesthetically, most of the Nighthaunt (including Awlrach) are very similar as noted above.
The theme refers to the background. Thematically, the background of a large majority of the Nighthaunts is that they were killers in their mortal lives (as Awlrach was by drowning his passengers).
As I see it, Awlrach fits the Nighthaunt both aesthetically and thematically.
Ghaz wrote: The aesthetic refers to the look. Aesthetically, most of the Nighthaunt (including Awlrach) are very similar as noted above.
The theme refers to the background. Thematically, the background of a large majority of the Nighthaunts is that they were killers in their mortal lives (as Awlrach was by drowning his passengers).
As I see it, Awlrach fits the Nighthaunt both aesthetically and thematically.
That is the beauty of the hobby. We can purchase, build and play to fit our personal views. Whether or not we share those same views doesn't matter in the end.
Danny76 wrote: Is this Season of War book the first one for AoS?
(They are already doing something similar for 40k, or is it here it’s already started?)
Keeping up is hard with all these books and campaign story things.. A concise list somewhere for both systems would be great really, like a books release order list etc.
It's cool because the AoS campaign books are like the 40k ones but good.
Love everything that was announced. Super excited to pick up the terrain box, the new book (if nothing else) will be a great narrative read, and the new NH character (as a NH player), is right up my alley. I'm now frantically figuring out what I can flog in time to get everything.
I agree mostly now. The Incarnate has grown on me a lot now that i've had a chance to look at him properly. Still not a 100% on the terrain box due to the repeat walls and statue. (Picked up two of those splash release scenery boxes when they first came out, but i'll probably get it). The books are always great so yeah, that's a must.
But this still feels very light release wise for a quarter of the year already. Hopefully it will pick up around summer.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Neat. Hopefully this means we may end up with an Incarnate per realm:
I think the Season of War: Thondia and the Thondian Strongpoint are closer to release than we think. AoS Coach mentioned on his reaction stream that he couldn’t talk about it as he already has it. Tom on Warhammer Weekly mentioned that they said in the presentation that the incarnate will get a separate release later hopefully that applies to the Megadroth Remains and Cleansing Aqualith as well
A full set of Incarnates would be fun to collect and shouldn't require unreasonable amounts of resources to produce but GW's track record of releasing a complete set of anything isn't very convincing. I expect we see another Incarnates in the future but annoyingly at least D3 Realms will be left without a model.
I am slowly warning up to Beast Incarnate but I can't figure out what the yellow gun inside it is supposed to represent. I think I will glue some fine sand on it instead.
I am slowly warning up to Beast Incarnate but I can't figure out what the yellow gun inside it is supposed to represent. I think I will glue some fine sand on it instead.
I assume it's amber magic as that's the magic associated with the Realm of Ghur
DaveC wrote: I think the Season of War: Thondia and the Thondian Strongpoint are closer to release than we think. AoS Coach mentioned on his reaction stream that he couldn’t talk about it as he already has it. Tom on Warhammer Weekly mentioned that they said in the presentation that the incarnate will get a separate release later hopefully that applies to the Megadroth Remains and Cleansing Aqualith as well
Oh i hope so. This entire first quarter of the year has been very sparse (personally speaking) concerning releases. I could do with something to drop a little cash on.
nels1031 wrote: Amberstone is the name of the realmstone of Ghur, I believe. Color fits, at least.
I was looking at it today thinking it would look better possibly with a more contrasting color.
I'll see about converting mine so the amberbone chunk is placed as if it's the incarnate's heart, rather than floating in the middle. Failing that I'll just cut it out entirely. It's a cool piece, it just doesn't look good right there.
Yeah, the model looks a bit awkward/uninspired compared to the artwork. Main issues IMO are the vertebrae look more like rocks than segments of a critters spine, and the "magic" looks more like a long flowing hair or flesh or something than it does proper magical energy. I know magical energy can be a bit tricky to sculpt but come on thats just weak - especially when the artwork depicts it more as an amber colored lightning.
The new box sucks for people who want to fill out their DoK ranks. The Witch Aelves and Gladiatrix is the only thing that entices me and the rest is just extra crap on the gray pile.
Eldarsif wrote: The new box sucks for people who want to fill out their DoK ranks. The Witch Aelves and Gladiatrix is the only thing that entices me and the rest is just extra crap on the gray pile.
Actually with 3.0 rules focusing more on minimum units its actually not bad. For anyone wanting to round out their army with infantry its a very solid boxed set. It's not worth it for those of us further along who might only need one of the troop types or only the new hero. But for anyone new or newish to the army its a very good deal with pretty much no bad choices in there. Remembering that the khinerai and witches set are duel sets so you've got both kinds of khinerai and either sisters of slaughter or witch aevles.
Eldarsif wrote: The new box sucks for people who want to fill out their DoK ranks. The Witch Aelves and Gladiatrix is the only thing that entices me and the rest is just extra crap on the gray pile.
Actually with 3.0 rules focusing more on minimum units its actually not bad. For anyone wanting to round out their army with infantry its a very solid boxed set. It's not worth it for those of us further along who might only need one of the troop types or only the new hero. But for anyone new or newish to the army its a very good deal with pretty much no bad choices in there. Remembering that the khinerai and witches set are duel sets so you've got both kinds of khinerai and either sisters of slaughter or witch aevles.
I agree that it is good for starting players. I, however, have little need to get my Warlocks to a cool 20 or more Khinerai.
So for my selfish reason I am not a fan of the box.
I'm the same - so hounding ebay it is. Though honestly right now I'm more likely to snap up eldar from their recent box as that was 100% all new stuff.
I see it as imposing/challenging the enemy. Everyone else is leaping into combat, she's holding back with the whip swirling around her in a menacing pose ready to leap into action, but daring the opponent to try making the first move. Only to get tangled, snarled and cut up by her whip.
I think it also helps her really stand out from the others as a model on the tabletop.
I think it suffers a bit like the stonemage, where GW wanted to show off the designs they could do but didn't put enough consideration into if they should. A smaller whip making room for a less rigid pose would have looked a lot better to me.
It is interesting how it compares to the Scriptor, where the bling and exaggeration really adds to the model and pushes it up in quality. Probably because they didn't do it by making his quill a spear sized polearm.
About 180€ of stuff not counting the new heroes and Nighthaunt unit? Not bad, and I don't have any of the Nighthaunt yet except the ETB Nashees. Hopefully someone wants the DoK half.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: The wight king is part of a start collecting. That's not getting a seperate release until that box changes.
It is very unfortunate that Grave Guard and Black Knights didn't get updated kits, they just do not look right to me when I put them next to my new snazzy Deathrattle. The issue with both Wight Kings is also sad, the old one on foot is still locked into one of those crummy square bases, and the one on his Horsey is locked into a box with stuff I have and do not need.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: I like it. It seems very late game and situational, but it's one of those when you pull it off moves, it's going to feel good.
Also buff to non-snake ladies that i like. Especially as i want to use those anyway. No morathi plus snake spam for me.
And here I am, wanting to be excited for rules for the models, but dont play AOS, so I am being as patient as possible waiting for the Warcry rule counterparts to be released...
Yeah, though as it isn't applying wounds it bypasses wards as well as various allocation abilities. Can't bounce it off to a bodyguard, for example. Which is what makes it cool.
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Wiz Warrior wrote: And here I am, wanting to be excited for rules for the models, but dont play AOS, so I am being as patient as possible waiting for the Warcry rule counterparts to be released...
Good news is Sam Pearson has historically been super awesome about getting those worked out an published via WarCom/White Dwarf relatively quickly.
BoLS have an article on Krondspine (not sure of their source but review copies are out there - EDIT it’s from a vlog post that got posted early by mistake)
400 points, has States rather than wounds (similar to behemoths damage table) starts at State 2 can go up or down (0 = destroyed). Has to be bound to a hero - goes wild if hero killed - danger to both sides. At max State Krondspine can do up to 34 wounds. Bonded wizard gets +1 to magic rolls, -1 penalty to enemy wizards. Devour endless spells to up levels. Takes up your ally allotment regardless of points played - no other allies allowed. Takes a Battleshock test on 3D6 rather than wounds lose a State level if failed.
Also next tome celestial is Hedonites of Slaanesh.
no take aim pose for the ghost crossbowmen, that's like...the essential pose for unit with these type of weapons. For a 55-60 burger dollar unit they could've use a bigger sprue for that.
Not sure if its newsworthy, but I'm seeing on Facebook that the latest AoS app update is now locking 3.0 battletomes behind the "paywall" of needing the code to unlock them.
I honestly thought that was the case from the get go with 3.0, so like I mentioned not sure if its newsworthy. I think the 40K app is exactly like that so the writing was on the wall, I suppose.
nels1031 wrote: Not sure if its newsworthy, but I'm seeing on Facebook that the latest AoS app update is now locking 3.0 battletomes behind the "paywall" of needing the code to unlock them.
I honestly thought that was the case from the get go with 3.0, so like I mentioned not sure if its newsworthy. I think the 40K app is exactly like that so the writing was on the wall, I suppose.
My experience has been that this was always the case. Orruk Warclans and Stormcast Battletomes have always been locked for me, since I never bought the armybook.
nels1031 wrote: Not sure if its newsworthy, but I'm seeing on Facebook that the latest AoS app update is now locking 3.0 battletomes behind the "paywall" of needing the code to unlock them.
I honestly thought that was the case from the get go with 3.0, so like I mentioned not sure if its newsworthy. I think the 40K app is exactly like that so the writing was on the wall, I suppose.
I mean it's been months and the 40K app still says that Bela'kor can only have the khorne Keyword, despite that not being true in the slightest. I just use the Warscroll builder. It does the job.
nels1031 wrote: Not sure if its newsworthy, but I'm seeing on Facebook that the latest AoS app update is now locking 3.0 battletomes behind the "paywall" of needing the code to unlock them.
I honestly thought that was the case from the get go with 3.0, so like I mentioned not sure if its newsworthy. I think the 40K app is exactly like that so the writing was on the wall, I suppose.
Been always that no traits, artefacts etc for free. You think gw gives full rules for free? Didn't in aos2 either.
Warscrolls you can read for free. Just like aos2. Only difference is you get aos2 rules fully for free.
Not sure if anyone posted this, but humble bundle is doing a charity sale for Soulbound. £13 for the corebook and what looks like all supplements in pdf:
Happy to see it get a quick release (I want to paint a set over Easter) I wonder if it will cost around £135 like the BZ Fronteris? we'll see in the morning.
Aeneades wrote: It always annoys me that you get half of the board set with the terrain and then end up with a duplicate if you want the board set.
GW likely thinks that you'll buy the set and your opponent will also buy the same set and then you put them together. Or make "cool themed" boards to play on where you both put down one board and terrain set of different kinds and mix things up.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Wait, seriously, that AOS terrain bundle is the same as the 40k one they put up on Saturday?
It's the post-increase price band for these things. Content isn't all that relevant.
It's probably best to accept that AoS hasn't been cheaper than 40k even when it bombed with the 1st ed release. It's successful now, reasonably popular and as evidenced by the removal of free warscrolls as well as the app and army book code system that 40k has that GW firmly treats it like a money maker that doesn't need to be propped up, with all the negative sides that entails.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Not sure if anyone posted this, but humble bundle is doing a charity sale for Soulbound. £13 for the corebook and what looks like all supplements in pdf:
For those who have the RPG, what's the fluff like? Is it better or worse than what the army books provide? Does it offer a deeper look into daily life as you would expect of an RPG or is it more heroic and focused on slaying monsters?
People often speak highly of what the old Warhammer Fantasy RPG did for the setting. I'm in the market for this if Soulbound provides something similar.
DaveC wrote: Yep Thondian Strongpoint is £135 €175 $220
Seasons of War Thondia £32.50 €42.50 $55
So about £108.00 after 3rd parties. I can live with that. The statues and the walls are both £35 on their own and direct only currently. And when it is broken down it's probably going to cost double at least to get everything again.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Wait, seriously, that AOS terrain bundle is the same as the 40k one they put up on Saturday?
It's the post-increase price band for these things. Content isn't all that relevant.
It's probably best to accept that AoS hasn't been cheaper than 40k even when it bombed with the 1st ed release. It's successful now, reasonably popular and as evidenced by the removal of free warscrolls as well as the app and army book code system that 40k has that GW firmly treats it like a money maker that doesn't need to be propped up, with all the negative sides that entails.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Not sure if anyone posted this, but humble bundle is doing a charity sale for Soulbound. £13 for the corebook and what looks like all supplements in pdf:
For those who have the RPG, what's the fluff like? Is it better or worse than what the army books provide? Does it offer a deeper look into daily life as you would expect of an RPG or is it more heroic and focused on slaying monsters?
People often speak highly of what the old Warhammer Fantasy RPG did for the setting. I'm in the market for this if Soulbound provides something similar.
It's well worth it for the fluff. It deep dives into the races and how they work and live and how the realms function. Like you would expect of an rpg.
H.B.M.C. wrote: They're the same price, so how could one look cheap compared to the other
because the one looks like it has more content than the other, hence it looks like one is the better bundle aka cheaper although they are the same price
It's probably best to accept that AoS hasn't been cheaper than 40k even when it bombed with the 1st ed release. It's successful now, reasonably popular and as evidenced by the removal of free warscrolls as well as the app and army book code system that 40k has that GW firmly treats it like a money maker that doesn't need to be propped up, with all the negative sides that entails.
You can see warscrolls for free from GW app though.
ROFL the price tag on this is pants on head insane. Fronteris at least covers the boards it comes with pretty well and is pretty functional (hills and barricades) while this is just 5 pretty pieces of scatter.
The ruins do block LOS nicely at least(I have used them for 40k and noticed they actually work better in 40k than official 40k terrain...) but yeah light. I have ruins by doubles already and already enough boards. Basically just the incarnate and waterfall I would want. I wait solo releases. Just too much I don't need.
tneva82 wrote: The ruins do block LOS nicely at least(I have used them for 40k and noticed they actually work better in 40k than official 40k terrain...) but yeah light. I have ruins by doubles already and already enough boards. Basically just the incarnate and waterfall I would want. I wait solo releases. Just too much I don't need.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: It's well worth it for the fluff. It deep dives into the races and how they work and live and how the realms function. Like you would expect of an rpg.
tneva82 wrote: The ruins do block LOS nicely at least(I have used them for 40k and noticed they actually work better in 40k than official 40k terrain...) but yeah light. I have ruins by doubles already and already enough boards. Basically just the incarnate and waterfall I would want. I wait solo releases. Just too much I don't need.
Yeah the price on that is embarrassingly high, usually AoS releases are priced a bit lower than 40k releases (look at hte price of a Vanguard box compared to a Combat Patrol, for example), was not expecting to pay as much as the Fronteris box for what looks to be substantially less content.
Oh i don't know, the pieces are actually quite massive, the floating fountain and skeleton especially. It's already given me a table idea to build based around an archaeological dig using the bones and buildings.
I like the terrain, but I will probably just wait for the basic releases. I have enough of the rebuilt buildings, it's the bones and the floating meditation chamber that I really want, aside from the Essence Monster, which will be cool to run with my Destruction stuff.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Oh i don't know, the pieces are actually quite massive, the floating fountain and skeleton especially. It's already given me a table idea to build based around an archaeological dig using the bones and buildings.
Might massive but not being los blocking nor particularly tall looking not much impact game. Also dragon bones is fairly generic terrain piece. Plenty available for cheaper.
Having a magic murder skelemental run around eating endless spells to power up is exactly the sort of thing I play AoS for. Excited to see it on the table.
And judging by the background, the floating fountain is massive.
It appears that this is the first in what will be a host of Incarnates to come. There is a lot of potential here for gameplay and fun! I love this idea!
Hm, craventhrone are awful at that point cost. Would make sense if it was for 10 of them, but for 5? Dem Scriptor Mortis though, those are going to cause some problems I think. Though they are hilariously good at countering the current meta so it will be amusing to some degree.
Entirely apathetic to PtG content. It has the bones of a great system but it feels unfinished and severely hobbled by the devotion to making PtG armies compatible with matched play.
Anvil of Apotheosis sounds cool. I've got a few odd models that don't quite make a unit, so it would be nice to turn them into all-singing, all-dancing heroes.
I like the Krondspine Incarnate, but would rather have the option to get it separately. I hope that happens further down the line...
It will eventually. They said the box will be split down. This is one of those "discount boxes", as when everything is split up, i don't see any of those terrain pieces going for less that £40, minimum.
Well my AoA excitement has been dimmed by the preview. I know I'll still enjoy it but I am disappointed to see the non-wizard/non-priest option be so completely pathetic. How the heck is a 1/game free command ability supposed to be worth the same as spell or prayer capacity?
Sure, but the first AoA made a pretty good go at evening them out by providing what were at the time really powerful command abilities. Even in third it was an extra instance of all out attack and defense that paired well with the new abundance of command points, though regardless the commander option fell behind wizards & priests being more potent. Then this new one comes along and instead of addressing the problem actively exacerbates it by nerfing the commander option into the ground when it was already the worst option. And it is still 5 points for 1 extra CP first round? That is a near-useless benefit, it would never be taken if it were 1 point but someone thinks it should still be 5. Absolute incompetence.
Warcom, by way of the Underworlds articles, seems to have been casually hinting at what are either Malerions shadow aelves or "shadow daemons" all week long and nary a peep from you people... how is this not bigger news?
Thondia battlepack tactics, grand strategies etc in app for free. Looks like i'm not a fan of this pack. While ghb gave bonuses to monsters it was just 1vp(half a battle tactic) and bonus for killing monster meant you could win without ones. Thondia has 7 tactics, 6 gives bonus doing with incarnate and bonus is full battle tactic...
Guess if i play with this pack i just agree for both sides getting free incarnate. Hard to see winning without one as fairly easy 6- 8 vp bonus is hard to compensate(and monsters don't give any bonuses here).
Pity, i had had high hopes for variations but this basically rams 400pts model down your throat. And until it comes solo box don't even have it so can't play missions for a while.
Yea the battlepack really seems more oriented for like, if you play with your buddy all the time and want to go through a little 2 player league/campaign but without all the narrative strappings.
I was really disappointed with the rules content in the Thondia book. It is mostly a mass of battlepack content that is not going to be used. People don't like to just swap battlepacks willy-nilly. Rotating it a couple times a year sure, but learning a new pack is a bit of a chore and people prefer to be on the same page. The Path to Glory content is just as horribly stale as everything else GW has released for it (seriously, why lay down good foundations then refuse to build anything on them?) and the 'new' Anvil is 95% reprint with the few changes only serving to make it worse than the original. They didn't even add in the double-weapon option present in all the WD anvils!
Incarnate is a great concept and a good starting point. Unfortunately the rules break gameplay on multiple levels and will need a few rounds of eratta to get right.
That all said the fluff is awesome. Cool story, great characterization despite having limited space, and stuffed full of extra little snippets. The bestiary section with WHFB 6th-style sketches and in-universe descriptions was particularly great. Also worth noting that all of the art directly represents the miniatures... except bullgors; their art is considerably different from the current model.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Also worth noting that all of the art directly represents the miniatures... except bullgors; their art is considerably different from the current model.
Now you're just teasing!
Any more info you can share on this? Pretty please with a moo on top.
With AoS how it is right now Skaven don't need any "new" toys. They need a range update with one or two new things, but predominantly just pushing a huge chunk of their range out of the 90s with updated modern plastics. They've honestly more choice than most AoS armies right now.
AoS works well with that at present. There's only 4 unit divisions; leader, troop, monster, artillery. And of them many armies don't have any artillery and many share models between leader and monster.
So small armies can compete quite easily.
Now I still feel that AoS should have more. I'd like to see priests and mages splinter off from leaders; to see Cavalry separate out of troops and perhaps even shock and line infantry separate too (beyond battlineline). Artillery I'd like to see expanded model support wise. Sure they won't all be huge trebuchets designs to take out walls, but light anti infantry/monster artillery should be pretty common in the setting. Bolt throwers; flamers; catapults etc.....
tneva82 wrote: Monks are decent enough kit that who prioritles them over say...plastic skyre acolytes? Gutter runnners? Jezzails? Completely new unit?
Agreed. I also fear the inevitable price increase on a new kit.
At least the clanrat kit is among those few miniature products that is simply perfect. Any more and it would drive up cost without need, any less and the kit wouldn't have enough customization.
I'm not terribly sure I find buffs for turns 3/4 a terribly compelling argument when so much of competitive AoS is determined before that point, but hopefully the book is good beyond these rules.
I suspect Melusai shooting and Morathi to be nerfed into the ground.
Yes DoK only just got a book. What's more surprising to me is that so far this doesn't look like they are actually adding much if anything to the DoK army with this book. It's really rare to see GW push out a book that fast without a big model update.
Slaanesh had that treatment, a new book then another one fairly fast ,but it came with a big chunky release of new models.
So far DoK have one new hero and a Warband for Underworld coming and nothing else. I know they are popular, but it does seem really fast to get another book so soon after the last.
I can only wonder if GW are holding back a big model update or if they are going to blend in more of the old Dark Elf army models formally into the DoK tome. Creating a "pure priestess" army and an "allied" army option.
That would at least be a formal chunky addition even if its kind of diluting the DoK theme, but would likely make Dark Elf fans really happy (esp since their army is basically all present in AoS )
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm not terribly sure I find buffs for turns 3/4 a terribly compelling argument when so much of competitive AoS is determined before that point, but hopefully the book is good beyond these rules.
I suspect Melusai shooting and Morathi to be nerfed into the ground.
It is a really powerful buff, so it needs to be compensated somehow. Additionally DoK have ways to count the battle round as higher, so those buffs could be gained round 2/3. While round 4 things are generally winding down round 3 is often very important unless there was a double turn.
Overread wrote: Yes DoK only just got a book. What's more surprising to me is that so far this doesn't look like they are actually adding much if anything to the DoK army with this book. It's really rare to see GW push out a book that fast without a big model update.
Slaanesh had that treatment, a new book then another one fairly fast ,but it came with a big chunky release of new models.
So far DoK have one new hero and a Warband for Underworld coming and nothing else. I know they are popular, but it does seem really fast to get another book so soon after the last.
I can only wonder if GW are holding back a big model update or if they are going to blend in more of the old Dark Elf army models formally into the DoK tome. Creating a "pure priestess" army and an "allied" army option.
That would at least be a formal chunky addition even if its kind of diluting the DoK theme, but would likely make Dark Elf fans really happy (esp since their army is basically all present in AoS )
Speaking to a staffer, (so take this with as much salt as you wish) apparently HQ consider the current one incredibly unfun to play against. So much so that the GHB and adjustments wasn't considered enough. So this is a fast redo to try and get it back into line with the other books.
No surprises in the FAQs, save I did not expect them to let the Flamekeeper keep double dipping on casualties. I am happy they did though since it makes multiples viable.
I can only wonder if GW are holding back a big model update or if they are going to blend in more of the old Dark Elf army models formally into the DoK tome. Creating a "pure priestess" army and an "allied" army option.
That would at least be a formal chunky addition even if its kind of diluting the DoK theme, but would likely make Dark Elf fans really happy (esp since their army is basically all present in AoS )
I would totally be down with that as I would love to put my pre-AoS dark elf army on the table outside the framework of the Cities of Sigmar book.
Overread wrote: Yes DoK only just got a book. What's more surprising to me is that so far this doesn't look like they are actually adding much if anything to the DoK army with this book. It's really rare to see GW push out a book that fast without a big model update.
Slaanesh had that treatment, a new book then another one fairly fast ,but it came with a big chunky release of new models.
So far DoK have one new hero and a Warband for Underworld coming and nothing else. I know they are popular, but it does seem really fast to get another book so soon after the last.
I can only wonder if GW are holding back a big model update or if they are going to blend in more of the old Dark Elf army models formally into the DoK tome. Creating a "pure priestess" army and an "allied" army option.
That would at least be a formal chunky addition even if its kind of diluting the DoK theme, but would likely make Dark Elf fans really happy (esp since their army is basically all present in AoS )
Speaking to a staffer, (so take this with as much salt as you wish) apparently HQ consider the current one incredibly unfun to play against. So much so that the GHB and adjustments wasn't considered enough. So this is a fast redo to try and get it back into line with the other books.
Also, it was the single most lopsided book GW has ever put out for AoS.
Morathi and 15 bow snakes comprise on of the best competitive lists in the format.
DoK without Morathi and 15 bow snakes are one of the worst armies in the game. Without those two units and their crazy OP interaction, the rest of DoK plays JUST like Slaanesh except, slower, less punchy, and with no summoning.
Turns out across the board nerfs to a books melee options makes them unappealing. Who knew?
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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Considering books are in print queues for 10+ months, I don't think that story holds up, respectfully.
The dok isn't hardly surprise now seeing we got this revealed january...
But hoping it fixes internal balance and it's not morathi and 15 snakes double shooting. Well that is almost certainly gone or changed once per game(which still would likely be busted).
Subfaction requirements goes away in 3rd ed books. Now subfactions are just free bonuses(which makes gw's claim you can pick one silly. Sure technically it's optional but would need to be idiot to not pick one)
tneva82 wrote: Subfaction requirements goes away in 3rd ed books. Now subfactions are just free bonuses(which makes gw's claim you can pick one silly. Sure technically it's optional but would need to be idiot to not pick one)
That's been true since the last tomes of 1st edition. At any rate, some command traits/artifacts have migrated over to the generic lists, so that would be my concern.
In aos2 there been reasons to not take one. Fec in particular but also with gits and ogors i have preferred no subfaction several times. Last tournament none of subfaction bonuses helped me enough while auto unbind was very appealing(though i botched using that)
I hope there's a generic prince build in that kit and not just the named dude. Would be nice to see the current, rather dodgy model replaced.
Voss wrote: Yeah. Though Belakor (as the 'First Prince') with his own daemon prince seems... odd.
About that, maybe I'm misremembering but doesn't Belakor have a narrative going on about becoming a Chaos god or toppling the Chaos gods or both? Or am I mixing him up with Archaon?
Either way, I'm pretty sure he's got a huge ego. Seems fitting to me that he'd want a daemon prince in thrall to him for the prestige alone, since that's usually something only a Chaos god can claim.
If the battletome contents are true (and its looking very likely at this point) the rumors of Beasts of Chaos getting rolled into Slaves to Darkness have been put out to pasture.
That may be Eternius, Blade of the First Prince, as the other Daemon Prince (with the Chosen) warscroll is also out there and showing it to be generic.
grahamdbailey wrote: Horns of Hashut are listed alongside the Warcry Warbands, so these may be a new option being previewed at Warhammer Fest?
We all expected that the Warhammer Fest previews would be telling us about things we already knew about, and with these leaks, that appears to be coming true.
It may not. They'll probably scramble and do a full reveal for Warhammer Fest, since its only a week away.
I'm impressed so far. Though it takes a lot of cues from the original, I prefer the old chaos lord on daemonic mount. It has such an imposing presence from doing nothing at all. Really gave me "nazgul hunting the hobbit" vibes
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if it's a long time (like the Heresy box set) they'll say nothing, if its in the next few months i imagine they'll stick it in warhammer fest if it wasn't scheduled to be there already
Yeah it really depends how far off. Hopefully this is just a jump start on things coming in Warhammerfest so its early but not too early.
Also I'm fairly sure the Heresy was likely put back several dates as a result of the whole Pandemic issues so chances are that went on way longer than normal.
So unless the big winged boy is the centaurion and we just aren't seeing the backside, either him or the guy on the page with the chosen has to be a new DP.
Also legionnaires is... really close to the new name for CSM. Legionaries is what they're called in the new book. They wouldn't... would they?
Scottywan82 wrote: That has to be the limited version with the army set.
Is it? I don't pay much attention to AoS books, but most of GW's 'limited edition' books these days are usually exactly the same but with the brand overlays removed from the art.
Or something similar- with the Thondia book they just took out the red from the top, shrank the logo and gave the sigil a color gradient.
Scottywan82 wrote: That has to be the limited version with the army set.
Is it? I don't pay much attention to AoS books, but most of GW's 'limited edition' books these days are usually exactly the same but with the brand overlays removed from the art.
Or something similar- with the Thondia book they just took out the red from the top, shrank the logo and gave the sigil a color gradient.
I strongly suspect so. It matches with the others we've seen for Orks in 40K, Lumineth, Sisters, and so on.
Scottywan82 wrote: That has to be the limited version with the army set.
Is it? I don't pay much attention to AoS books, but most of GW's 'limited edition' books these days are usually exactly the same but with the brand overlays removed from the art.
Or something similar- with the Thondia book they just took out the red from the top, shrank the logo and gave the sigil a color gradient.
The army set books tend to be extremely unique these days.
Ahtman wrote: Maybe we'll get new marauder models...
This is something i would love, so we are 100% sure to not get them.
I still think they should have just declared the Warcry bands to be marauders and not tried to give them all their own rules (and made them largely inferior to generic marauders)
grahamdbailey wrote: Horns of Hashut are listed alongside the Warcry Warbands, so these may be a new option being previewed at Warhammer Fest?
We all expected that the Warhammer Fest previews would be telling us about things we already knew about, and with these leaks, that appears to be coming true.
Not sure it really counts if we only know the name due to some muppet leaking things, especially less than a week before the preview.
Not like it'd be showing up studio photos we've already seen, though I'm sure that's happened before.
GaroRobe wrote: I like that the chosen muscisian is called a skull drummer. Becaus the old model had a skull drum.
Ahtman wrote: Maybe we'll get new marauder models...
This is something i would love, so we are 100% sure to not get them.
I still think they should have just declared the Warcry bands to be marauders and not tried to give them all their own rules (and made them largely inferior to generic marauders)
would be difficult with all the different base sizes and such. Also would be a little immersion breaking if the Ogor Breacher or the Untamed Beasts' Lion or the Serpent swarm were all just 1W 6+ save 1 4+/4+ - 1 attacks.
Ahtman wrote: Maybe we'll get new marauder models...
This is something i would love, so we are 100% sure to not get them.
I still think they should have just declared the Warcry bands to be marauders and not tried to give them all their own rules (and made them largely inferior to generic marauders)
would be difficult with all the different base sizes and such. Also would be a little immersion breaking if the Ogor Breacher or the Untamed Beasts' Lion or the Serpent swarm were all just 1W 6+ save 1 4+/4+ - 1 attacks.
Base sizes don't mean squat in GW games anymore. The ogre is a problem, but the rest is fine (and weren't marauders base 2 attacks in the last battletome?)
Really interested in the centaurion marshal/chaos legionnaires. Those names put together make me think of like a chaos professional army. Maybe like the chaos version of lothern sea guard?
Togusa wrote: Is it possible that the rumors of Skaven being the summer Chaos book are incorrect and it's actually going to be STD?
Would mean somebody has too much time faking box art. Also wording gw described chaos book originally didn't sound std. Skaven or tzeentch. Vigilant fits sylvaneth.
Looks like we might not be seeing them for a while then, if the battletome is slated for 'Winter'! Demon Prince is a nice update but it's the chosen and the mounted character that bares a striking resemblance to the old Archon model that has me most excited tbh.
Well that confirms it's not the next Chaos Tome or even the next 2 so Skaven is still on for summer
After seeing the kit for Underworlds I'm glad that we might be getting some Skaven next, really can't wait to see the rest of the range. It's gonna be a hoot! I've seen a reddit post that suggests we may be getting Beasts of Chaos as well, either way it's going to be a fun few months of reveals for me!
For those interested! (Credit to Clamo off of reddit)
Well that confirms it's not the next Chaos Tome or even the next 2 so Skaven is still on for summer
After seeing the kit for Underworlds I'm glad that we might be getting some Skaven next, really can't wait to see the rest of the range. It's gonna be a hoot! I've seen a reddit post that suggests we may be getting Beasts of Chaos as well, either way it's going to be a fun few months of reveals for me!
For those interested! (Credit to Clamo off of reddit)
Several of those are just wrong.
That horn isn't from that endless spell (more likely a chariot)
The bug leg isn't from the Jabber, its definitely from the Necromunda bugs.
The hoof is likely from a new chaos knight.
Well that confirms it's not the next Chaos Tome or even the next 2 so Skaven is still on for summer
After seeing the kit for Underworlds I'm glad that we might be getting some Skaven next, really can't wait to see the rest of the range. It's gonna be a hoot! I've seen a reddit post that suggests we may be getting Beasts of Chaos as well, either way it's going to be a fun few months of reveals for me!
For those interested! (Credit to Clamo off of reddit)
Several of those are just wrong.
That horn isn't from that endless spell (more likely a chariot)
The bug leg isn't from the Jabber, its definitely from the Necromunda bugs.
The hoof is likely from a new chaos knight.
No that's not how the Necromunda bug legs look like. Please, point out one that looks exactly like that.
I don't know how I feel about the daemon prince.
I think its the head that looks off to me, and probably because the helmet has "eyebrows" that look like they're the same color as his skin
tneva82 wrote: Tzeentch, lumineth, gloomspite and ogors in fall and all have got either wd or book
Is that what the best sources are suggesting or just taking a guess?
All the books with no aos3 updates left in any form beside fec which isn't getting book in fall(no death).
Betting fec is next wd update. Them or lrl and fall order is first wd redo.
next WD is Hedonites, unless you mean next after that.
Wasn't Slaves to Darkness the first WD updated faction? If so, I would suspect that they kick off the cycle of "full books" for the WD updated factions.
What if one of the destruction tomes is an updated Sons of Behemat - quick to turnaround and we've seen some rumour engines that could be for something new/upgrade sprue for them.
DaveC wrote: What if one of the destruction tomes is an updated Sons of Behemat - quick to turnaround and we've seen some rumour engines that could be for something new/upgrade sprue for them.
One of the hosts/guest hosts on the Warhammer Weekly show has a theory that the small little creatures are part of a new Mega-Gargant kit. There is a Mega-gargant character named in the background section of the Sons of Behemat book that has strange tiny creatures nesting on his body.
The new DP is a massive improvement over the rubbish current one but it has a kind of 3rd party feel that I can’t put my finger on. I don’t mean that in a bad way, just something about it feels almost non-GW. I think it’s mainly the head/face.
Rihgu wrote: The ones with the ridges not present in the rumor engine image?
If there are ridges on the left legs, I can't see them.
All the Helamite legs have ridges/spines. The rumour engine is completely smooth. Painted differently too, and looks bigger than the little front legs that I think you’re talking about.
I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The mouth is too big, the teeth just look straight up badly designed, the helmet(?)...I'm praying to all 4 gods that there are some alternate heads, if not I''l have to get creative.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
Scottywan82 wrote: That has to be the limited version with the army set.
Is it? I don't pay much attention to AoS books, but most of GW's 'limited edition' books these days are usually exactly the same but with the brand overlays removed from the art.
Or something similar- with the Thondia book they just took out the red from the top, shrank the logo and gave the sigil a color gradient.
I strongly suspect so. It matches with the others we've seen for Orks in 40K, Lumineth, Sisters, and so on.
The army books can look differently from the traditional Limited Editions if they are part of the army box. Happened to Sisters, Orks, and maybe more.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The mouth is too big, the teeth just look straight up badly designed, the helmet(?)...I'm praying to all 4 gods that there are some alternate heads, if not I''l have to get creative.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
The Juan Diaz daemon prince was superior in every way, but size
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The mouth is too big, the teeth just look straight up badly designed, the helmet(?)...I'm praying to all 4 gods that there are some alternate heads, if not I''l have to get creative.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
There’s almost no chance it’s the only head option.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The mouth is too big, the teeth just look straight up badly designed, the helmet(?)...I'm praying to all 4 gods that there are some alternate heads, if not I''l have to get creative.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
There’s almost no chance it’s the only head option.
I really hope that you are right!
Looking at the head again, I can't help but get Trish Carden vibes. Does she still work for GW?
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The mouth is too big, the teeth just look straight up badly designed, the helmet(?)...I'm praying to all 4 gods that there are some alternate heads, if not I''l have to get creative.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
The Juan Diaz daemon prince was superior in every way, but size
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
You know the current one you said is ""bad"" is identical to Diaz prince (at least its 40K build), only bigger, more detailed, has way more options, far better pose than the broken neck squat, and goes together infinity times easier, eh?
I am always amazed people tend to repeat this as gospel, when in reality DP was one of Diaz few duds and its plastic reimagining is not only superior, but probably superior to new one too unless GW hid some nice parts they didn't use on a sprue...
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
You know the current one you said is ""bad"" is identical to Diaz prince (at least its 40K build), only bigger, more detailed, has way more options, far better pose than the broken neck squat, and goes together infinity times easier, eh?
I am always amazed people tend to repeat this as gospel, when in reality DP was one of Diaz few duds and its plastic reimagining is not only superior, but probably superior to new one too unless GW hid some nice parts they didn't use on a sprue...
Obviously, it's subjective. But I have seen way more people praising that JD model than the current plastic kit
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I can see not liking the older model. But despite being plastic, I don't see the draw of the current kit.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
You know the current one you said is ""bad"" is identical to Diaz prince (at least its 40K build), only bigger, more detailed, has way more options, far better pose than the broken neck squat, and goes together infinity times easier, eh?
I am always amazed people tend to repeat this as gospel, when in reality DP was one of Diaz few duds and its plastic reimagining is not only superior, but probably superior to new one too unless GW hid some nice parts they didn't use on a sprue...
Sure, I mean maybe it's identical to people who don't have eyes?
Did you really say that the current DP is more detailed than the metal Juan Diaz version? I don't think that your opinion is shared by many
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
You know the current one you said is ""bad"" is identical to Diaz prince (at least its 40K build), only bigger, more detailed, has way more options, far better pose than the broken neck squat, and goes together infinity times easier, eh?
I am always amazed people tend to repeat this as gospel, when in reality DP was one of Diaz few duds and its plastic reimagining is not only superior, but probably superior to new one too unless GW hid some nice parts they didn't use on a sprue...
It's almost as if different people have different opinions and like different things....
Nice conversions. But if you need to convert up a model using other kits and bits so that you can make the final model look good, then the original model probably isn't very good.
tneva82 wrote: Also what looks like content of battletome.
Could be like with hh like next year release or maybe autumn release.
The fact that several warscrolls are listed as "Slaves to Darkness (such and such)" makes me hope that there will be versions for the god-specific books. I'm particularly hoping that both versions of the Gaunt Summoners make it into the Disciples book, since you currently can't take a Gaunt Summoner on Disc in a Tzeentch army.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I'm torn on the new Daemon Prince. I's so much more detailed than the current plastic Masters Of The Universe one, but the head....it's horrible.
The mouth is too big, the teeth just look straight up badly designed, the helmet(?)...I'm praying to all 4 gods that there are some alternate heads, if not I''l have to get creative.
The head of the Juan Diaz metal Daemon Prince was so much better
Aye, I was really hoping for a resculpt in that style (but, yknow, good... unlike the current kits attempt).
I don't like the head either, but it could have alternate heads. No reason to condemn it quite yet.
I mean if they did alternate weapons/heads for the Avatar of Khaine - a model that very specifically does not have different kinds of weapons - then there's a fair shot the new DP can get the same treatment (and, no doubt, price).
They explicitly said there is more to the kit, and we know for sure there are at the least a sword and a claw right hand, plus a trophy rack instead of wings. I'd say there is pretty good ground for optimism on that front
NinthMusketeer wrote: They explicitly said there is more to the kit, and we know for sure there are at the least a sword and a claw right hand, plus a trophy rack instead of wings. I'd say there is pretty good ground for optimism on that front
There will be alternate hands, feet, wings, weapons and hips. Only one head.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I mean if they did alternate weapons/heads for the Avatar of Khaine - a model that very specifically does not have different kinds of weapons - then there's a fair shot the new DP can get the same treatment (and, no doubt, price).
You’d be 100% wrong with that criticism though. The Wailing Doom has had multiple physical forms since 4th Ed 40K, and earlier if you count the Epic Avatar/original 40K smol sculpt, yet only recently a kit to match the lore.
NinthMusketeer wrote: They explicitly said there is more to the kit, and we know for sure there are at the least a sword and a claw right hand, plus a trophy rack instead of wings. I'd say there is pretty good ground for optimism on that front
Barring a helmet option that hides the face, I'm not sure we should hold out hope for a better head, even if there are multiple options. Since the switch to plastic GW's toothy murder daemon faces have managed to look goofy more than threatening on a pretty consistent basis.
It doesn't help that the 'Eavy Metal paint job is what it is. Sure, that doesn't mean a thing once you get the models in your hands, but well, how should I put it. It's a variation on Kiss. Black attire, warm skin, heavily contrasted black and white face. I don't know if that's the presentation GW wanted to go for, but I don't think the funky makeup look from the 70s reflects the fluff of most Daemon Princes very well.
I also can't help but see Tyranid wings stuck to a Chaos model like it's a bad kitbash. It's not exactly Tyranid aesthetic, but it's quite reminiscent and the ridged carapace parts on the wings that don't relate back to any other part of the model look off to me. I want to believe the tail we can't see from this angle will mesh with it, but it seems to have spines not found on those wing parts, so that's up in the air right now. And then it still doesn't help the look when viewed from the front. Preferably there are unarmored optional parts that share that design, too, but I'm not sure we'll see that. And even for a GW plastic monster the ankles look excessively angular. It's all a bit of a mess. Better than the current Daemon Prince, but that's hardly a challenge.
I think they got the armor parts right, but it doesn't seem to me like there would be much doubt about that. GW nailed down a good look for Chaos Warriors twenty years ago. Making everything in Warriors of Chaos/Slaves to Darkness mesh with that is welcome and appreciated, but not hard. It's the fleshy bits GW struggles with.
Another day another set of leaks the whole Nighthaunt book has leaked (see Reddit)
Friendly Nighthaunt units get 6+ ward and retreat and charge in same turn.
Awlrach the Drowner (175pts) and Craventhrone Guard (115) are the only new additions.
Chainrasps go up to 110 for 10 - move and bravery up to 8, +1 to wounds on the charge
Black coach goes from 200 to 335 - no damage table
H.B.M.C. wrote: I mean if they did alternate weapons/heads for the Avatar of Khaine - a model that very specifically does not have different kinds of weapons - then there's a fair shot the new DP can get the same treatment (and, no doubt, price).
You’d be 100% wrong with that criticism though. The Wailing Doom has had multiple physical forms since 4th Ed 40K, and earlier if you count the Epic Avatar/original 40K smol sculpt, yet only recently a kit to match the lore.
Pretty sure they meant rules-wise. They gave weapon options for a kit that only has one weapon profile.
JohnnyHell wrote: You’d be 100% wrong with that criticism though. The Wailing Doom has had multiple physical forms since 4th Ed 40K, and earlier if you count the Epic Avatar/original 40K smol sculpt, yet only recently a kit to match the lore.
The Wailing Doom is always the Wailing Doom. Doesn't matter what form it takes. So what I said is 100% accurate: They gave the Avatar alternate weapons despite it being a model that very specifically does not have different kinds of weapons. The Daemon Prince, on the other hand, does have different kinds of weapons, and options for that matter, so it'd be weird if he had only one build.
ImAGeek figured out what I meant. I hardly wrote it in code.
Shadow Walker wrote: Looks like I am in minority but I like the current plastic DP more than the upcoming one.
Even the face? You're not his mother, are you?
You sure can have some fun with the kit (see my Khorne Prince below, spoilered for size). It's plastic, it has options, the sculpting isn't terrible for when it came out. I mean, I like none of the heads, and the faces specifically, but the model isn't actually terrible no matter how much I like to see it replaced. Mostly these days it's just let down by its diminutive size given everything else has been embiggened in the meantime.
GaroRobe wrote: Nice conversions. But if you need to convert up a model using other kits and bits so that you can make the final model look good, then the original model probably isn't very good.
well, I have not a single GW model that was released the past 10 years that is not converted, hence I stopped buying them because they are too expensive for something that is just the base of a conversion but this is me
some minor changes can do a lot with for GW models and the question is not, how good does it look but are you willing to pay the price for a base model that needs conversion
the current plastic one is a great base that is not too expensive, and I have the feeling that this will be different with the new one as it will be more expensive and designed in a way that make it horrible to convert
So if eternitus is just an alt chaos lord build, I guess the monster dude is the centurion marshal
Also he looks like evil vandus hammerhand. The pose and even the mounts head look the same
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Shakalooloo wrote: Why are the Ogroids not Beasts of Chaos? They would fit perfectly!
Lore wise, they used to be a destruction faction before turning to chaos for power. So basically AOS dragon ogres. They definitely should be available beast of chaos
GaroRobe wrote: So if eternitus is just an alt chaos lord build, I guess the monster dude is the centurion marshal
Also he looks like evil vandus hammerhand. The pose and even the mounts head look the same
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Shakalooloo wrote: Why are the Ogroids not Beasts of Chaos? They would fit perfectly!
Lore wise, they used to be a destruction faction before turning to chaos for power. So basically AOS dragon ogres. They definitely should be available beast of chaos
The ‘Centaurion’ Marshall is presumably the centaur guy in the photo with Eternitus.
Oh gosh. I really, l really like what I'm seeing with the Hashut guys. They are almost assuredly going to be an insta buy for me, though I have a feeling I'll be looking for head swaps
I guess the legionnaire is the belakor dude, since we’ve seen models for the rest with warscrolls. Centaur unconfirmed but it has to be the four legged thing
IDK, I really want to to wait on seeing better pics before deciding the centaur guy is the centurion. But if he is, I wonder is the legionaries will also be centaurs?
I think the legionnaires are the guys around Eternus. They look somewhere between Marauders and Warriors?
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Carlovonsexron wrote: IDK, I really want to to wait on seeing better pics before deciding the centaur guy is the centurion. But if he is, I wonder is the legionaries will also be centaurs?
He’s not called a Centurion, he’s called a Centaurion.
ImAGeek wrote: I think the legionnaires are the guys around Eternus. They look somewhere between Marauders and Warriors?
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Carlovonsexron wrote: IDK, I really want to to wait on seeing better pics before deciding the centaur guy is the centurion. But if he is, I wonder is the legionaries will also be centaurs?
He’s not called a Centurion, he’s called a Centaurion.
Oh, gosh. I really cant tell if I love or hate that name.
GaroRobe wrote: But but how could you possibly know that he was blessed with immortality otherwise????
Eternus, the Eternal Blade of the First Prince, armed with the Glaive of Unending, the Everlasting Flail, and riding his horrific Daemonic Steed, Immortia!
GaroRobe wrote: But but how could you possibly know that he was blessed with immortality otherwise????
Eternus, the Eternal Blade of the First Prince, armed with the Glaive of Unending, the Everlasting Flail, and riding his horrific Daemonic Steed, Immortia!
The fact that I had to go check the warscroll to see if that was fake really tells you something about GW
Anyway, the daemon prince options on the warscroll is obviously there so anyone having the soon to be "old" prince still would be able to run it.
I like the new daemon prince -its suitible for all gods even if you dont get more options. The "old" one dont really go well with neither tzeench nor nurgle theme in my oppinion, and I have long hoped for a dedicated tzeench prince. Hoping for some nice bits in this new kit.
I always thought with Dragon Ogres (since AoS) and Minotaurs in Beasts of Chaos sporting fairly light armor, the monstrous infantry of Warriors of Chaos should wear far more plate to set them apart. Could have even gone the Urukhai route and armored the front with bare backs to preserve some of the Ogroids current look. The way they are now, I'm not the biggest fan. Not offended either, mind. It's just a bit of a missed opportunity in my opinion.
Sarouan wrote: After all, why only duardins should worship Hashut ?
You're not wrong, but for entirely real world reasons GW should not go and make the first Hashut worshippers they've done in a quarter of a century humans. It's inconsiderate. People have been waiting and hoping for Chaos Dwarfs for a long time.
I think Chaos Dwarfs are almost definitely coming, and now at least they’re more likely to be their own thing rather than a handful of units in the Slaves to Darkness book.
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