Just something for you non game, player, people. Don't post here. However, feel free to read how things are. There are two places left which I shall fill. If you're interested, PM me and convince me into letting you play.

Aliving as of Day Phase 2
1. typhus
2. Arctik_Firangi
3. Manchu
4. Lord-Loss
5. n0t_u
6. Ghosty
7. Mekboy
8. Owain

For you Game Players
While you're alive, feel free to post, because once you die I'd prefer you didn't anymore. For those of you who want to know, at least one of you is an Imperial Solider. Hope that helps.

Rules

Votes

1) Votes must be in bold, if you do not bold your vote it will not be counted. This is a good vote - [-vote: Manchu this is a not good vote - Vote:Thor665.

2) Please unvote if necessary before casting a new vote, it makes counting them much easier. (you are allowed to unvote as many times as you wish during a day cycle, so feel free to keep shifting your vote around as your suspicions change)

3) Lynching will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, their pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will be unheeded. Thus, as soon as any player has a majority vote that player will be lynched and all subsequent voting does not count. Feel free to post other thoughts while waiting for the lynch scene if you desire. With 7 alive 4 votes are required to lynch. With 3 alive, 2 votes would be required. Ect. ect.

4) You may vote: no lynch. If No Lynch is the majority votes at any time then the day will end with no lynch and move on to the night phase.

5) Vote counts will be tabulated and posted by me at semi-regular intervals or when requested.

Deadlines

1) I will be enforcing a fixed three week Day Phase deadline. All Night Phases have a 72 hour deadline. Deadlines will be counted from the Moderator (my) story posts that will initiate each day and night phase.

2) At the three week deadline lynching will require the same number of votes as usual, if this number is not reached the day will end 'no lynch'.

3) If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you. If you do not submit a choice to me then nothing will happen... at all... not even a little bit.


Posting

1) The game is not to be discussed outside the thread unless your role specifically states that you may do so – and then only at night. Honor system is in effect.

2) Once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing. A single “Bah, you fools!” type post is allowable, but no more please.

3) No small or invisible text. Don’t edit/delete previously submitted posts either. Secret codes worked into your regular text are allowable. Going back and editing a post may be grounds for disqualification from the game based on my whim.

4) Don’t quote any PMs from me. If you do, I will be most unhappy. Do not metagame by using any part of role PMs to figure out what roles others may or may not have (i.e. 'everyone post the third letter from the second line of their role PM') Any such metagame activity will result in a modkill (in other words, I'll declare you dead and the game will move to the next phase)

5) If you anticipate being unavailable for more than 3 days, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.

6) Game Mods are human (allegedly), if I make a mistake please PM me I will rectify the mistake as soon as I can.

7) Please bold anything you want me to see.. Also, please try to avoid bolding anything else to ensure I DO see the ones I need to.

Prods aka 'That guy hasn't posted in a while'

1)A player will get prodded if they have been inactive for three days.

2)Weekends count as one day. (ie If your last post is on a Thursday you will not be prodded till the Monday following)

3) If you do not pick up your prod/post in game within 48 hours of it being sent I will start to look for a replacement.

4) Please post in game if you are going to be unavailable for more than 48 hours.

5) Power Roles including but not limited to Imperial Sanctioned Psyker, Imperial Inquisitor, Genestealer Magnus, Night Lords Assailant and Agent of the Officio Assassinorum, who are inactive for 3 days or longer will become demoted to their sides lowest role (Imperial Citizen or Genestealer, Night Lords Assailants will become one of the two)
Random Events

1) Random Events are randomly decided. Do not request to be affected by a random event, because I will pick a bad one for you.

2) Bad Random Event = Not good.

3) Don't question the Random Events, if you're lucky they've had some slight thought to it.

4) Random Events are fair.

Misc

Remember, it’s a game and it’s supposed to be fun. Be nice to your fellow players.

If you have a problem in game please PM me to discuss it.

The rules etc can and will be edited at any point if I deem it necessary.

Breaking the rules can be bad for your health, I reserve the right to modkill for serious/repeated naughtiness.

--------===Story Post 1: Introductions===---------------
You all are working together on a mission, to capture an Eldar Leader who has been spreading heresey across the Imperiom of Man. You have all been selected specifically for the task from many different posts, so while you've known each other for a time, you still haven't learnt much about each other.

After a long battle, you have managed to capture the Eldar Leader, and are taking it back to Terra to publicly execute it, as an example to all the other Xenos speaking ill of the future of Mankind.

"You Mon Keigh have no idea what you're in for" says the Eldar Leader with a smile, the words echo in your head.
"Shut up you filthy Xenos!" Yells Commander Smash as he brings his knee to the gut of the Eldar.
The Eldar looks up at the Commander and Laughs, as the commander locks the Eldar into the captive device

The Eldar cannot move or free itself

"Commander Smash, you will be the first" the Eldar mocks
The Commander hits the Eldar over the head, and is knocked out.

You all sleep that night wondering what the Eldar meant. You find what in the morning.

Commander Smash is found dead, smashed between two of the Imperial Standard Metal Bunkers
While pondering the irony, you realise that someone must have done this, and you look at the other investigatively. Then immediately rush to the Eldar beleiving it to be the culprit.

Upon closer inspection, there is nothing wrong with the Captive Device, and there is no evidence of it being opened recently.

"Amoung you all, there is a traitor" states the Eldar "And I am the target. I know you have no reason to beleive me, but I have seen this all before. I know what will happen already, I even know who the traitors are, and how many there are. But, I have decided that I will help you, because reguardless of whether you catch them or not, I die either way. If you find them, I am executed infront of thousands of Mon Keighs and the surviviors are treated as heroes. If you don't, then I am killed on the ship"

===It's Day 1, with 11 alive it require 6 to Lynch===

As a note, as the Eldar Leader, I will answer any questions you ask

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:For those of you who want to know, at least one of you is an Imperial Solider. Hope that helps.

(ooc It'd probably help more if we knew what an Imperial soldier could or could not do ::shrug::. )

::The hired scout with old gang markings across his face and arms frowns as he spits out a gob of the wretched smelling root he always insists upon chewing.::

Sound's like a game of taunt the Ripper Jacks to me - it's fun and games but someone's always going to lose a face. Okay there, xenos, if you're so content to flap your jaws I can't help but note that you mention there is a traitor in our midst - but then claim to know who the traitors are. Obviously your sick xenos mind will refuse to explain to us simply who the traitor or traitors are - but can you at least tell us how many we're dealing with here?

Thor665 wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:For those of you who want to know, at least one of you is an Imperial Solider. Hope that helps.

(ooc It'd probably help more if we knew what an Imperial soldier could or could not do ::shrug::. )

::The hired scout with old gang markings across his face and arms frowns as he spits out a gob of the wretched smelling root he always insists upon chewing.::

Sound's like a game of taunt the Ripper Jacks to me - it's fun and games but someone's always going to lose a face. Okay there, xenos, if you're so content to flap your jaws I can't help but note that you mention there is a traitor in our midst - but then claim to know who the traitors are. Obviously your sick xenos mind will refuse to explain to us simply who the traitor or traitors are - but can you at least tell us how many we're dealing with here?

(OOC: Normal People)

"1 or more. Infact, a portion of you are infact, traitors." Laughed the Eldar Lord "I might have been more specific if it made a difference to me. Remember that next time you MonKeighs decide to make an example."

[EDIT]: "Although, if you asked nicely, I might be able to tell everyone who a traitor is" said the Eldar Lord with a grin

You know Farseers can kind of make your head explode, they do have their powers canceled out, right?
Also is this a Farseer or Autach?
*Not entering the general area of the foul xenos until proper precautions have been taken*

Seems like this xenos scum isnt going to help us at all
*Pauses and spits on Eldar Lord*

So we better get going, I think everyone should tell us there story. (Il post mine later)

huh.....a traitor
*cautiously reaches for his welding iron*
well howre we gonna defend our selves from them renegades?

::He also spits on the xenos before walking back to the others.::

My background? I was raised on Necromunda, where we caught that babbling xenos scum. If you all remember I was provided to you by the Planetary Governor in order to help you trek into the depths of the Underhive to capture that thing, he thought I would be most helpful because of my ::he pauses to look at some of the gang tattoos on his arm:: 'experience' down there. And other for that bad spot near the Sump Sea I think I did pretty well on the whole. But, seeing as we have at least one traitor in our midst I see no reason we shouldn't start trying to sniff him out. ::He glances around at everyone slowly and then turns towards the one who just demanded information without supplying any.::

You seem as suspicious as a sump rat slurping up a bottle of wild snake.

Vote: Lord-Loss (for asking for something and then not delivering)

Me? Just your ordinary guadsman. I came from Phanative II, and joined up with the guard when the first regiment was raised. The Phanative 1st, or the 'Wild Snakes' as everyone called us. Our speciality was swamp fighting, where most soldiers got bogged down. but we were used to it from our homeworld. I survive quite a few battles their. Got promoted to a sergeant. Got an arm rigged off by an angry ork. The rest of the squad rather quickly ran away, dragging me with them. I don't blame 'em. Anyway, I've now got this rather nice bionic arm. Then my regiment got mostly annhialated when we were sent right into the path of a 'nid hive fleet. Then the Munitorium scooped the rest of us up and sent us here.

Me?


Well Im from Talassar of the Ultima Segmentum. Im along way from home and I would be headin' home if it wasnt for this stinky xenos *Spits at Eldar Lord*

Ya see, I wasnt good enough for the planetary defence force, so I enrolled in the Guard.

Owain looks warily at the Eldar leader before walking over to join the others.

I'm from Asphodel, myself. A graveworld-- dead machines as far as the eye can see. He makes a few minute adjustments to his somewhat bulky laspistol, muttering a prayer as he does so. I joined the Guard because that's the only way once can gain any prestige on my world. My successes against the xenos of the Galthrax Cluster obviously attracted some attention from the higher-ups, since shortly after I found myself fighting for my life in that filthy underhive.

ORKEO LIKE HIS HUMAN FRIENDS.

ORKEO NOT LIKE ALIENS.

ALIENS ARE MEAN TO HUMANS.

ORKEO IS OGRYN. VERY STRONG. FROM BIG PLANET WITH BIG TREES.

im from back that way *points the oppisite way the ship is heading* i had a nice cushy job in a munition factory for a couple of years, but after the accident that robbed me of my eye i transferred to building valks, you know for the war effort. been there until the commissar (may the emporer protect his soul) picked me up....guess thats the same with all of you? i was hoping that if we caught this ratbastard eldar, i'd be able to find a nice place to settle down in, and get back to welding and building, my proffession.

MAN WITH BIG HAT AND BIG VOICE TELL ORKEO TO COME WITH HIM

LOUD MAN ALWAYS FROWN, BECAUSE ZEENOS AND HAIRY TICKS MAKE HIM MAD

::He takes a fresh bite out of his odoriferous black root. He spits on the xenos again because it pleases him to see the fury of pure Imperial spittle upon the foul xenos brow.::

For those of you introducing yourselves - why don't you offer up some thoughts as to whom seems most likely to be a traitor out to kill us? I don't think it's likely they'll stop with ol' Smash and I'd hate to see what sort of creativity they could manage trying to kill me. My credits are still on the man from Ultima Segmentum - I never met anyone coming out of that place that I liked very much.

Thor665 wrote:::He takes a fresh bite out of his odoriferous black root. He spits on the xenos again because it pleases him to see the fury of pure Imperial spittle upon the foul xenos brow.::

For those of you introducing yourselves - why don't you offer up some thoughts as to whom seems most likely to be a traitor out to kill us? I don't think it's likely they'll stop with ol' Smash and I'd hate to see what sort of creativity they could manage trying to kill me. My credits are still on the man from Ultima Segmentum - I never met anyone coming out of that place that I liked very much.

All the underhive filth I have met have been, rude and arrogant. You are not helping yourself Thor!

Im a distant, distant, distant, distant, distant, distand *gasps for breath* distant, distant, distand cousion of one of the High Lords of Terra. I shall not name him, as it would be an embrassement for his distand cousin to be on a ship with *pauses and looks around him in digust* these underhive scum.

Some of my best friends are underhive scum...of course so are most of my worst enemies...

So I see you found the time to insult a city man like myself with your uphive mentality. ::takes a slow and sloppy chew on the wad of root in his mouth.:: Of course in your rant I didn't happen to notice you offering even a peep about who you feel is most suspicious.

ORKEO THINK THE ELDER IS THE ONE WHO KILL SMASH

SMASH AND ELDAR WERE MAD AT EACH OTHER

ORKEO LIKE SMASH, ORKEO NO LIKE ELDER

:: Attempts to spit on the Eldar, drools on self instead. ::

Thor665 wrote:Some of my best friends are underhive scum...of course so are most of my worst enemies...

So I see you found the time to insult a city man like myself with your uphive mentality. ::takes a slow and sloppy chew on the wad of root in his mouth.:: Of course in your rant I didn't happen to notice you offering even a peep about who you feel is most suspicious.

Based on what evidence?

My great Uncle was the head of Imperial polIce in the Ultramar system.


He told me to never make assumptions and never kill anyone without evidence. He also told me to never get to drunk, Its ironic realy because he died of alchohol poisening that very night.


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Who is this Bafoons nurse *Points at Orkeo* I know that Ogryn are not allowed anywhere on a ship without a nurse.

:A man in an unadorned black robe, carrying a heavy, iron bound book, lurches into the room, ogling each of his companions individually for a time before moving to face the captive Eldar lord. Peeling back a sleeve, he extrudes a larch-scribe from a small port on his right arm - a bionic replacement with a wide caliper rather than a hand, and holds it in his other hand, which is intact.
He places the book open and upturned upon the caliper-hand, and a third tiny limb folds out from the biomechanical arm, bending over the tome and rifling through pages at a surpising speed:

"Xenos," - he speaks, mouth unmoving, in an electronic tone that sems to emanate from beneath his robes. "Grant us your... insight. We require a reason to trust that you will aid us truthfully."

:A pincer-tipped mechadendrite flips out from the sleeve of his mechanical arm, picks up a rag from nearby, and wipes the spittle from the alien's brow:

ORKEO NOT BUFOON

ORKEO IS OGRYN

ORKEO HAS NO NURSE BECAUSE HE IS SMART BONE EAD NOW

ORKEO LIKE SMARTNESS

Arctik_Firangi wrote::A man in an unadorned black robe, carrying a heavy, iron bound book, lurches into the room, ogling each of his companions individually for a time before moving to face the captive Eldar lord. Peeling back a sleeve, he extrudes a larch-scribe from a small port on his right arm - a bionic replacement with a wide caliper rather than a hand, and holds it in his other hand, which is intact.
He places the book open and upturned upon the caliper-hand, and a third tiny limb folds out from the biomechanical arm, bending over the tome and rifling through pages at a surpising speed:

"Xenos," - he speaks, mouth unmoving, in an electronic tone that sems to emanate from beneath his robes. "Grant us your... insight. We require a reason to trust that you will aid us truthfully."

:A pincer-tipped mechadendrite flips out from the sleeve of his mechanical arm, picks up a rag from nearby, and wipes the spittle from the alien's brow:

"Finally, a MonKeigh with some manners!" exclaimed the Eldar "A reason? I want the samething as EVERYONE on board. To live. And even to kill some of the lesser of you."

STOOPID ELDER!!!

WHY YOU KILL SMASH???!!!

:: Shakes the Eldar vigorously. ::

n0t_u wrote:You know Farseers can kind of make your head explode, they do have their powers canceled out, right?
Also is this a Farseer or Autach?
*Not entering the general area of the foul xenos until proper precautions have been taken*

"Theres only one way to find out" Said the Eldar, with a sly smile

Orkeosaurus wrote:STOOPID ELDER!!!

WHY YOU KILL SMASH???!!!

:: Shakes the Eldar vigorously. ::

"Because the following sentance is a lie. The previous sentance is true."

YOU CALLIN ME A LIAR???!!!

Orkeosaurus wrote:YOU CALLIN ME A LIAR???!!!

"Yes, I am" Laughed the Eldar Lord "What are you going to do about it?"

:: The Ogryn blows a raspberry in the Eldar's face, once again covering him in spittle. ---> ::

Orkeosaurus wrote::: The Ogryn blows a raspberry in the Eldar's face, once again covering him in spittle. ---> ::

"Didn't one of your fathers ever teach you any manners?" said the Eldar in disgust "I'd be a bit more careful about how you and the others treat me."

I is scared. whats has happen to his?

Ultrafool wrote:I is scared. whats has happen to his?

"You are scared." Corrected the Eldar "What happened to his what?"

Me noes gud wiv da gammar, is but a little ratling mate.

I has meant to saids wats has happens to da coomanda smash? Hes seems to be died i hopes da emproea guids hes soul.

Ultrafool wrote:Me noes gud wiv da gammar, is but a little ratling mate.

"Well at least I can tell immediately you are infact one of the smarter ones." Laughed the Eldar Lord

Tahnks, I alwayz new I waz smats, Waitz yous was jokings was yous? Dums nexos.

Ultrafool wrote:Tahnks, I alwayz new I waz smats, Waitz yous was jokings was yous? Dums nexos.

"I thought it was funny cause it's true... Mostly" pondered the Eldar Lord "But alas, we should put aside our petty differences if we are to capture the traitors. Unless you want me to help them?"

Wulls, yous is nexos, but i tinks yous uses yours majical pewers to kill da nice coommanda, did yous?

Owain sighs and indicates the Eldar's restraints.

Now, look here. There's no sign of tampering here. I know you're loath to trust a xeno, but there's no way he committed this murder. Like it or not, there IS a traitor in our midst, or several. The sooner we root them out, the better.

OOC: Ratlings are not in any way mentally impaired. Just thought you should know that by making your character mentally impaired you're making him uncharacteristic of his race. If you meant to do that, carry on.

OOC: he is not mentally impaired, he just has a bad at grammar. But whatever.

And who yous suppose to bes sir.

Lord-Loss wrote:Based on what evidence?

Because we know at least one traitor is amongst us. Statistically it's more likely that I'll vote for a traitor by picking someone I think is a traitor then by not picking anyone like the rest of you suntanned uphivers. Why does my vote on you seem to cause such unease? Do you have something you're hiding from us?

(OOC Drk_Oblitr8r - I'm somewhat lost on this part of the game. Are we obligated/supposed to interact with the Eldar prisoner, or are we playing a more conventional game of Genestealer? Or is part of the game the lack of being aware what's going on?)

:Unimpressed by the captive's enigmatic doublespeak, the robed figure sighs audibly and closes his book, once again carrying the weighty volume with his non-mechanised arm:

"If this alien wishes to be helpful, he will do so in his own time. I care not whether it dies on Terra or upon this ship... if the doomed creature has other priorities it will act with more than haughtiness... well, mayhaps we ought ignore its words until they begin to make sense..."

:Leering at Orkeo and Ultrafool:

"...There are, as it is, enough fools on this ship - let there be no further made. Companions, stay your salival glands for now. Would an Ogryn not make a prime target for an intelligent gene-snatcher that wishes to go unnoticed? Or what of this illiterate halfling abhuman? In any case, I do not know if I could tolerate the presence of either for much longer. Not on top of this schizophrenic Lord-Loss character, who claims to be either a Guardsman, or of the blood of the Twelve... What, precisely, is your business on Terra, Lord-Loss? Ultrafool?"

A small woman with frail features and white hair shorn into a bob steps up among you. A fleur de lis tatoo under her right eye sets her apart as a Daughter of the Emperor. Noticing the Eldar and Smash's corpse at his bound feet, she grimaces.

"Gentlemen, I had not realized we might require the assistance of Ordo Xenos. The late commander here assured my superior that he had assembled a more than adequate team for this mission." She surveys the rest of the group with evident skepticism before crouching down to inspect Smash's corpse.

"Throne only knows how you managed this, alien witch," she mutters, never bothering to dignify the captive Eldar with so much as a glance. She stands up and turns to the rest. "Pardon my lack of manners. I am Sister Initiate Joan, Order of the Holy Seal."

*Edit: Spelling

Thor665 wrote:

Lord-Loss wrote:Based on what evidence?

Because we know at least one traitor is amongst us. Statistically it's more likely that I'll vote for a traitor by picking someone I think is a traitor then by not picking anyone like the rest of you suntanned uphivers. Why does my vote on you seem to cause such unease? Do you have something you're hiding from us?

(OOC Drk_Oblitr8r - I'm somewhat lost on this part of the game. Are we obligated/supposed to interact with the Eldar prisoner, or are we playing a more conventional game of Genestealer? Or is part of the game the lack of being aware what's going on?)

(OOC: You don't have to, but if you do it right, it might actually be useful. Also, the Eldar is there to trigger some random events.)

*looks at the adeptus mechanicus closely*
those are some fancy gadgets...... and that mechandarite seems to be one of the F-47 classes....i thought they were banned...
*seems to make a decision*
either way, i actualy believe the xenos. its not in its best interests to lie to us is it? and mechanicus? i wouldnt mock the ogryn and the ratling for their weaknesses in eh...speach. they may not forgive and forget....
*makes a clear sign of his decision, by walking over to the two subhumans*

ghosty wrote:*makes a clear sign of his decision, by walking over to the two subhumans*

What makes you so sure they're to be trusted? You might be standing next to a traitor there?

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Would an Ogryn not make a prime target for an intelligent gene-snatcher that wishes to go unnoticed?

WHAT IS GENE SNATCHER?

So Thor, by trying to learn everyone's names, stories and job Im being suspicous?

What business do I have on Terra?

Bringing back this xenos filth and seeing him executed

::Kicks Eldar Lord::

i trust them, because back where i came from i knew an ogryn. not as bright as orkeo, but he was a mate all the same. once you got past the manners (or lack of them) theyre not so much different from you or i. and the ratling...well its a well known fact that ratlings are loyal.

I'M HUGRY!!!
and tired...
I shall retire to my bed, er, cot

ghosty wrote:i trust them, because back where i came from i knew an ogryn. not as bright as orkeo, but he was a mate all the same. once you got past the manners (or lack of them) theyre not so much different from you or i. and the ratling...well its a well known fact that ratlings are loyal.

Using past experience with an ogryn in order to judge a new ogryn is bigoted and shows incorrect logic. Just because the last human I met shook my hand doesn't mean the next one I meet will do the same. Also, wouldn't a supposedly loyal race also be the best option for a cover story for a traitor? I'd like to see the traitor(s) dead rather then sitting around waiting for them to come and pick us off one by one ::spits at the Eldar:: presuming of course we're not just in some strange mind hoo-ju of the skinny xenos here. In any case, I figure anything that could kill the commander isn't going to have much trouble with any of us if it catches us alone.

(OOC c'mon guys, I'm still the only vote out there. Unless you expect someone's back story to include "by the way, I'm a traitor" you might as well throw out some random votes to see if you can get any reactions from people - who tries to buddy up or protect someone, who seems a little too sure about their vote and why. That's about the only way to really find traitors/genestealers/scum. We don't want to lynch anyone right away at this stage, but generally speaking some early votes are what helps drive functional conversation.)

I might vote thor!!
he dosen't care for the death of others!!

::Takes a long slow chew, a bit of the stinky root juice dribbles out of his lip.::
The Hive doesn't look kindly upon those unable to stand up for or protect themselves against her many threats.

Are you actually going to man up enough to put that vote on me? Or are you just edging around the thought to see if someone will back you up? Why don't you want to just put a vote on me?

mmm thor, yous seems a bitz hesatint words others dontcha, enquiung dat sir lard-lose is da keller, witch in trun wells put moar about otheas.

Thor, your are suspicous but not worthy of my vote yet.

You seem to be trying to create confusion, as votes flying everywhere does.

Ultrafool wrote:mmm thor, yous seems a bitz hesatint words others dontcha, enquiung dat sir lard-lose is da keller, witch in trun wells put moar about otheas.

...eh?

(OOC - I appreciate your goal to be in character - but honestly I'm not even sure what you're saying to me here. Could you maybe add a translation or something at the bottom of posts? Here's what I'm translating;

"mmm, Thor, you seem a bit hesitant towards others, don't you? Inquiring that sir Lord-Loss is the killer, which in turn will put more about others."

I'm sure I'm wrong because that makes no sense to me. I'm hesitant for wanting votes? And the second sentence seems to make no sense.)

Lord-Loss wrote:You seem to be trying to create confusion, as votes flying everywhere does.

Confusion, eh? I thought that was the xeonos' game ::spits at the xenos::. If you think casting a vote will cause suspicion and confusion then how exactly do you feel we should go about starting the investigation?

(OOC - the random voting stage RVS, is the normal start for these style of games for reasons I've already stated.)

Thor665 wrote:(OOC - I appreciate your goal to be in character - but honestly I'm not even sure what you're saying to me here.

[Yeah, maybe you should make sure you're only altering spelling/grammar in a way that could be noticed in spoken language? For instance, spelling which as "witch" doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as the words sound exactly the same, and the difference could never be noticed in an oral conversation.]

OOC: yeah will do.

I haz ment to sayz that yous makin people speaks moars so we has moars evidance to acuse dem, iz dat yours plans?

Translation

[I meant to say that you are you are making people speak more so that we have more verbal evidence to accuse them with, is that your plan?]

:The robed figure splays open his tome once more and begins to rifle through pages:

"Greetings Sister Joan, Initiate of the Seal... Lord-Loss, which of the Holy Twelve is your removed kin?"

Up until now, the robed figure spoke with an electronic tone from somewhere within his heavy shawl, but now, for the first time, he opens his mouth to speak with his own tongue.

"For the time being, this oversized brute is a great threat should he turn out to be the pawn of a hostile interloper in this rather... enclosed space. I am not comfortable in its presence, and I must lobby for it to be at least detained."

{Vote: Orkeosaurus}

ORKEO NOT BE PAWN. ORKEO IS TOO SMART FOR ALIEN TRICKS.

MAYBE YOU ALIEN, WITH METAL PARTS COVERING UP THE ALIEN PARTS?

Voting Count #1

-Ultrafool
-Orkeosaurus-(Arctik_Firangi)
-Thor665
-Arctik_Firangi
-Manchu
-Lord-Loss
-n0t_u
-Ghosty
-Mekboy
1-Lord of Ghosts-(Thor665)
-Owain

6 to lynch.

As a friendly reminder, put all votes in BOLD otherwise they don't count.

Thor665 wrote:::Takes a long slow chew, a bit of the stinky root juice dribbles out of his lip.::
The Hive doesn't look kindly upon those unable to stand up for or protect themselves against her many threats.

Are you actually going to man up enough to put that vote on me? Or are you just edging around the thought to see if someone will back you up? Why don't you want to just put a vote on me?

I was proveing a point, as you said to throw random votes out and hope more people hop on killing an imperail

lord of the ghosts wrote:
I was proveing a point, as you said to throw random votes out and hope more people hop on killing an imperail

"Only two kinds of people would err toward inactivity in our situation, and neither cowards nor traitors have a place in the Imperium of Man. Lord of the ghosts, which are you trying to prove that you are?"

this is hopeless! look lets all stop argueing and think logically! who here is being the msot suspicious at this point in time???
im going to have to vote for the chronic spitter *glares at thor*

vote: thor (oh snap )

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:
I was proveing a point, as you said to throw random votes out and hope more people hop on killing an imperail

"Only two kinds of people would err toward inactivity in our situation, and neither cowards nor traitors have a place in the Imperium of Man. Lord of the ghosts, which are you trying to prove that you are?"

no I am saying that thor's idea is bad
if you are trying to make me say I am a traitor I shall not, I am not
I am very lazy.
very lazy.

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Are you actually going to man up enough to put that vote on me? Or are you just edging around the thought to see if someone will back you up? Why don't you want to just put a vote on me?

I was proveing a point, as you said to throw random votes out and hope more people hop on killing an imperail

So you were proving a point by not throwing out a vote? Again, I ask you - why not put the vote on me? If you suspect me even slightly more then anyone else right now then vote for me - that is the way to move forward. You'll get to see if anyone comes to defend me (a possible traitor partner?) You'll get to see if anyone is too eager to vote for me (a possible traitor). You'll get to find out quite a lot as people discuss why or why not your vote should be on me as they then express who they feel is a more likely traitor. If nobody throws out a vote, like you and Lord-Loss seem to believe we should do, then you will guarantee a traitor victory as they will keep killing us each night with nothing we can do but pray that there is an Inquisitor or something here who will be lucky enough to survive and lucky enough to find the traitors before we're all killed in semi-ironic ways - and we have no way of knowing if one is even on board so we might as well presume there isn't.

(OOC if there is an Inquisitor or other investigation/protective role on board - please keep it to yourself at this juncture. If you reveal yourself you'll just become an early target for traitor night kills)

lord of the ghosts wrote:
no I am saying that thor's idea is bad

One could also say that you're working to discredit me without having to vote for me. Why is it so important that you don't vote for me? What are you expecting to happen to make it worthwhile to finally vote? If you think I'm putting bad ideas out there for people to follow doesn't that make me dangerous to a potential win by all of us true Imperium loving humans? If you think my bad ideas are dangerous why wouldn't you vote for me?

ghosty wrote:this is hopeless! look lets all stop argueing and think logically! who here is being the msot suspicious at this point in time???
im going to have to vote for the chronic spitter *glares at thor*

vote: thor (oh snap )

Ah, finally, a man of conviction. But why do you feel I'm being "the most suspicious"? Surely if I'm "the most suspicious" you can fully explain to everyone why that is and get others to vote for me.

VOTE:thor !!!

lord of the ghosts wrote:VOTE:thor !!!

Do you have some reasons you're voting me?

Thor665 wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:VOTE:thor !!!

Do you have some reasons you're voting me?

Yes.

Thor, you and I are the different sides of the same coin.

You are trying to draw people out by voting randomly, I am trying to draw people out by trying to make everyone tell there stories, jobs etc.

LOG: If you have a good reason, then tell us.

Lord-Loss wrote:You are trying to draw people out by voting randomly, I am trying to draw people out by trying to make everyone tell there stories, jobs etc.

(OOC - and feel free to continue. But as I said, I don't expect anyone's back story to include "and then I decided to kill Imperials for Chaos". Getting people talking is great, but for the purposes of the game it's better to see how they start voting. That said, I do enjoy the story aspect and encourage you to continue, but for the functionality of winning the game it's not the optimal strategy in my opinion.)

Lord-Loss wrote:LOG: If you have a good reason, then tell us.

This is a well said point and I second it. What is your good reason?

ORKEO NOT LIKE ELDER. PEOPLE SAY ELDER CANNOT BE KILLER BECAUSE HE WAS IN CAGE.

THIS PERSON LOOKS LIKE ELDER. IS SKINNY AND HAS LITTLE FACE.

VOTE: MANCHU

"Silly brute!" Joan gasps. "How dare you compare me to the Alien witch!" She looks around the room. "Not that any of the rest of you are any brighter for letting the Eldar fool you into thinking it isn't a threat. Surely, the corpse on the floor proves otherwise. Or did it tell you that there is a traitor amongst us? How very convenient for it."

*EDITL Argh, spelling!

This xenos is not the culprit, as much as I want to kill him. ::Kicks Eldar Lord in the face:: His execution will have to wait for Terra.

"How are you so sure? And even if there are traitors among us, why have all of you dismissed the possibility that they are in league with the Witch here? Or under its control, perhaps?"

Manchu wrote:"How are you so sure? And even if there are traitors among us, why have all of you dismissed the possibility that they are in league with the Witch here? Or under its control, perhaps?"

"You make a very good point, Sister, but I do not see that a doomed xenos would place its interests in our direct manipulation. If the rumours about Eldar race are true, then the creature is ignoble only in that he is an abhorrent xenos... I am inclined to believe his words thus far. Further, it is said that they can gaze upon the strands of fate, which this creature seems to have already done - he spoke of his doom, one way or the other. A doom that involved these gene-snatchers could have terrible consequences for more than us... what if they were to unlock for themselves the Eldar gifts of Warp travel? What if this ship were then to reach Terra? Our commander has fallen, and our situation is dire. I am beginning to think that it would eventually be a good idea to dispose of the alien ourselves, but not before we have had the opportunity to reap as much as possible from it."

:That said, Firangi hobbles over to the Eldar lord:

"Xenos, if you are willing to answer questions as you stated before, then I again beg of you a gesture of good faith. You have said that you know who the traitors are, and how many. You would already have given us these details if you were so willing, so if you would answer us this instead... how many factions work against us on this vessel?"

as my reason is unclear, even to me, yet, thor has voted for my death, then I shall his

Arctik_Firangi wrote:"Xenos, if you are willing to answer questions as you stated before, then I again beg of you a gesture of good faith. You have said that you know who the traitors are, and how many. You would already have given us these details if you were so willing, so if you would answer us this instead... how many factions work against us on this vessel?"

"There is but one. No more, no less. I don't want to be much more specific that this, because it would help everyone, and there are a number of you I want to see squirm for a while."

DOES ONE FACTION MEAN ONLY ONE GENE-EATER ON THE SHIP OR JUST THAT GENE-EATERS ARE THE ONLY THINGS TRYING TO KILL US?

lord of the ghosts wrote:as my reason is unclear, even to me, yet, thor has voted for my death, then I shall his

Then you admit you didn't have a reason. Why lie? A true servant in His service would not need to hide his meaning behind falsehoods. Voting for someone simply because they voted for you doesn't show the clearest logic.

Also...

DrkO - please double check your vote tally - I'm voting and have been voting for Lord-Loss, not lord of the ghosts

I vote "lord of the ghosts". Though he is supposedly human his incoherent babbling is presumably a sign of taint.

[You have to put your votes in bold, so they're easier to tally.]

"I'm agreeing with Joan" echoed a voice from the corridor. "I have encountered your kind before, Xenos, I know of your so called powers" continued the voice as a veteran Guardsman walked through the door. "My name is n0t_u, I was found by the 9th Cadian Regiment as a child" said n0t_u, he calmly walked over to the Eldar and examined the restraints. "The Xenos's restraints show no tampering at all, but if any of you had encountered these beasts before you would know that their bodies are too frail for this kind of thing anyway. Their power is witchcraft, but you should all know that. For that is why we have Joan here" said n0t_u.


"I heard your story, Lord-Loss. It is very.. interesting... Your sympathy for the Xenos is not helping your situation with the others as well" said n0t_u, looking at the mess that was Commander Smash. "Interesting..." he said.

Vote: Lord-Loss

What sympathy?

He is laying at my feet beaten and bruised ::Kicks Eldar Lord in the crotch::

You seem to contribute nothing to the discussion while voting randomly and making stuff up.

Im keeping my eye on you n0t_u.

I dont see how my story is suspicous, I refuse to name which one of the High Lords is my distant cousin, as it would be most embrassing for him.

Thor665 wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:as my reason is unclear, even to me, yet, thor has voted for my death, then I shall his

Then you admit you didn't have a reason. Why lie? A true servant in His service would not need to hide his meaning behind falsehoods. Voting for someone simply because they voted for you doesn't show the clearest logic.

Also...

DrkO - please double check your vote tally - I'm voting and have been voting for Lord-Loss, not lord of the ghosts

Ah, this xeno is takeing the votes so we turn on each other! *pulls out a las pistol, about to aim, but then hits the eldar in the face*
My thought was unclear, forgive me, thor.
As for Owain, I happen to babble much, if it makes me a xeno, then why am I not trying to kill everybody and anybody.
Vote:No lych
I shall study the death of the others until I see why the xenos will kill somebody.
Then I shall know who, and why
For saying this, I shall be killed by xenos later, so if we have a hidden psker, or medic, I advise myself for shielding

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Thor665 wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:as my reason is unclear, even to me, yet, thor has voted for my death, then I shall his

Then you admit you didn't have a reason. Why lie? A true servant in His service would not need to hide his meaning behind falsehoods. Voting for someone simply because they voted for you doesn't show the clearest logic.

Also...

DrkO - please double check your vote tally - I'm voting and have been voting for Lord-Loss, not lord of the ghosts

Ah, this xeno is takeing the votes so we turn on each other! *pulls out a las pistol, about to aim, but then hits the eldar in the face*
My thought was unclear, forgive me, thor.
As for Owain, I happen to babble much, if it makes me a xeno, then why am I not trying to kill everybody and anybody.
Vote:No lych
I shall study the death of the others until I see why the xenos will kill somebody.
Then I shall know who, and why
For saying this, I shall be killed by xenos later, so if we have a hidden psker, or medic, I advise myself for shielding

Voting for no lynch makes you a pretty obvious suspect. If we lynch no-one, tommorrow we will be the same as we are today, with few clues, only there will be one less Emperor-serving human. Also, requesting a medic make me believe you are trying to waste our night's support.

Vote: Lord of the Ghosts
(OOC: This feels strangely... familiar...)

kill me now.
I shall die overnight
Vote: Lord of the Ghosts

GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLY LET THERE BE NO SELF VOTES!

Self votes are the play of scummy traitors and stupid Imperials. Nobody should self vote if they want the Imperial side to win.

::Kicks Eldar Lord in the knee::

LOG, you say a Imperial Doctor should protect you tonight because you are good at inspecting?

But then you vote for yourself!?!

Vote: Lord Of Ghosts

Lord-Loss wrote:::Kicks Eldar Lord in the knee::

LOG, you say a Imperial Doctor should protect you tonight because you are good at inspecting?

But then you vote for yourself!?!

Clearly you see lotg's actions as more likely to be those of a traitor then an idiot. Why do you think a traitor would vote for himself?

kill me.
just kill me.

Traitor or Idiot he needs to go!

He's either gonna kill us, or distract the Loyal Citizens, who aint idiots, from the real threat.

wait, no don't kill me!!!
I am distracking you when there are real traitors out there!!
BUT now you are going to say "he is a threat"
BUT I will keep quiet from now on!!

forget me!!!

....yeah ::the old underhiver shifts an extra few steps away from the babbling lunatic.::

How about you chill out, stop acting like a juvie under heavy stubber fire, and let us talk a bit.

For starters - unvote yourself you babbling fool.

(OOC anyone want to hazard a guess at a Jester role, because that's all I'm left with for lotg. A Jester role is one that fulfills its win condition by being the first to be lynched.

If he's not a Jester role then this is some of the worst gameplay I've almost ever seen.)

unvote: lord of the ghosts

Okay, son, now take a breath and why don't we walk through what you were thinking these last few moments.

What were you hoping for as a result from your comments?

:Firangi sighs audibly:

"If I may repeat myself, our current situation is dire... let us not be made fools of. I know not whether LOTG is a raving coward or a very clumsy insurgent... but he may well be a potential cantidate for investigation in any case, should anyone be in the position to do so. He is the most openly suspicious among us, but on the other hand seems to have no defenders or allies. My current conclusion is that he a threat only to himself."

Unvote: Orkeosaurus
Vote: Lord-Loss

"However... you, Lord-Loss, have been very quick to call for his removal."

He also hopped on that vote wagon after I was trying to get everyone to calm down. ::chews his root chaw thoughtfully before spitting some out towards Lord-Loss.:: Where's the fire, buddy?

I'd also like to hear a bit more form some of our quieter friends.

@n0t_u - what made you want to vote for Lord-Loss when you did?

::Hits Eldar Lord::

One who votes for themselves, or/and votes randomly, while voting for someone for bad reasons, need to be removed.

Now he has stoped I will leave him alone unvote: Lord Of Ghosts But I got my eye on him.

N0t_u has accused me of being sympathetic towards the Xenos ::Kicks Eldar Lord In ribs and spits on him::

How am I suspicous?

Apparently Im suspcious cause I wanted to get know everyone and cause I see someone as a threat and want to eliminate them.
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Isn't it funny how you all vote for someone, then you unvote them and vote for someone else because they voted for the person in question.

EDIT: I failz at Sp3ll1ng

(OOC: I do find the overall lack of participation to be a little more disconcerting than anything else - the traitors may well just be sitting back and watching us banter with these two dolts.

I'm also curious about n0t_u's reason for voting, since Lord-Loss has been anything but sympathetic to the alien. Did he perhaps intend to vote for me?)

Im trying to draw people out and create discussion.

Why yous hurts eldar nows? Trying to covers up yours sypythy.

[translation]Why do you hurt the eldar now? Trying to cover you sympathy?

If you look back, I have been beating the xenos black and blue all morning.

I wish you would stop that. This team was assembled for the purpose of bringing it back to Terra alive, remember? As the Ecclesiarchy's representative on this mission, I can assure that the arch-deacons awaiting the alien witch will be most displeased if you damage their specimen much further. To reiterate my concern, I am troubled that so many of you are eager to believe anything that the witch might say. It is likely enough that there are indeed traitors among us--we were taught at Schola that there are traitors everywhere--but how can you trust this creature to help us root them out?

Indeed Noble Sister. But...one more for luck?

:: Punches Eldar In Face::

Da eldar says he was da only ones who saw dem kill Smash. Thats all we have so unless yous saw sometin to then we must listens to da nexos fur now.

Translation[ The eldar says that he was the only one who saw them kill Smash. Thats all we have so unless you saw something to then we must listen to the xenos for now.]

I maintain my vote. Even if he's not the traitor this fool needs to be removed.

Lord-Loss wrote:One who votes for themselves, or/and votes randomly, while voting for someone for bad reasons, need to be removed.

Now he has stoped I will leave him alone unvote: Lord Of Ghosts But I got my eye on him.

What makes you so sure he's stopped? All he's 'stopped' doing is self-voting. He's quite probably still the same pile of bad reasons and random voting that he always was.

It really looks to me like you hopped onto a very easy looking lynch wagon, but then when it hit any sort of road bump you quickly bounced off of it again.

@Ultrafool - considering how helpful the xenos has been thus far I question if we'll get anything useful out of him without gratuitous groveling that I am not willing to do or put up with. We are men...::glances at Joan:: *cough* er, humans and it is well within our ability to sniff out traitors and introduce them to the mercy of The Emperor. Sure, His mercy involves purging with fire, but that's probably better then living life as a traitor in any case. My point being, I see little value in listening much to the xenos at this juncture - it has established for us that there is a traitor or traitor(s) amongst us and that's all we really need. Now it's a simple question of rooting them out.

@Manchu - Lady? Joan, you have cast doubts on the xenos, which I agree with, but surely you must have some further thoughts to offer. Whom do you think, amongst us, thus far has seemed the most questionable in action (or inaction). Is there a reason you're withholding your vote for the moment?

Owain wrote:I maintain my vote. Even if he's not the traitor this fool needs to be removed.

Perhaps, but we certainly don't want to rush into a lynch when we have multiple members who have barely said more then one or two things ((posts)) to us thus far. We need to get people talking more so we'll have more information for tomorrow just in case whoever we lynch today isn't guilty. What do you see as the biggest negative lotg's actions bring to us if we leave him alive for the moment?

"Another thing I learned at Schola was to be seen and not heard. That lesson served me well at the blessed Convent Prioris, too. The Canoness Superior herself advises in her Manual of Devotional Forensics 'render not the pure mind vulnerable to the heretic's scrutiny.' As a Guard Captain once put it to my Mission's Palatine, 'no loose lips on the black ships.'" Joan looks puzzled as she continues. "He received twenty five lashes for heretical innuendo, for some reason."

::spits out his chewed up smelly black root chaw and glares at the woman.::

So...your "answer" to my question is to say that you don't feel that you should say much of anything? How exactly do you see that helping us find the traitors?

Joan returns Thor's glare with an even look.

"What I see, layman, is that your making a show of bullying everyone else could either be a rather convenient mask for sinful, traitorous thoughts or simply idiocy in the face of an enemy too cunning for you. I hope that insight will satisfy your inordinately loud curiosity."

Thor665 wrote:We are men...::glances at Joan:: *cough* er, humans

ORKEO IS ABHUMAN

Theologically speaking, that is close enough.

ORKEO IS BIG AND STRONG

Manchu wrote:"What I see, layman, is that your making a show of bullying everyone else could either be a rather convenient mask for sinful, traitorous thoughts or simply idiocy in the face of an enemy too cunning for you. I hope that insight will satisfy your inordinately loud curiosity."

Layman? Hell, ::takes a fresh chomp off his black root, the punget aroma clouding around him as he begins to chew.:: That's darn near the nicest thing I've ever been called. Still, you don't have an answer for how your silence can help us find the traitors, but you do want to somehow cast aspersions at my methods without trying to explain your own? I've been quite open with my reasons for my actions.

Unvote: Lord-Loss
Vote: Manchu

We're in this together and I don't see how silence and standoffishness will help us uproot traitors.

Thor665 wrote:Okay, son, now take a breath and why don't we walk through what you were thinking these last few moments.

What were you hoping for as a result from your comments?

It started with you saying "lets' throw votes out"
and then BOOM

Thor665 wrote:Layman? Hell, ::takes a fresh chomp off his black root, the punget aroma clouding around him as he begins to chew.:: That's darn near the nicest thing I've ever been called.

YOU ARE IN FACT A LAYMAN IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THE CLERGY

THAT'S THE ORIGINAL DEFINITION OF THE TERM

@Thor

"Your hastiness is rather damning," Joan replies without anger, "especially considering that I did explain my 'methods' . . . by which I suppose you mean my formal training in the subtleties of diplomacy and intrigue as a sister of Order Famulous."

She sighs.

"As much as I would like to believe that you are merely a simple-minded layman ham-handedly playing at being an Inquisitor, your desperately attempts to throw suspicion on anyone and everyone else is the most suspicious thing I have witnessed so far. I suppose we will see."

*Edit for formatting

I THINK YOU SUSPICIOUS

YOU SAY YOU ARE FRIEND OF THE EMPEROR. THE EMPEROR IS GREAT CHIEF, VERY WISE. WE FIGHT BAD GUYS, WHO LIE TO US. FRIEND OF THE EMPEROR IS GOOD LIE.

"And that is at least a good reason to suspect me," the Sister responds impassively, "rather than that I am not loud enough."

ORKEO IS VERY LOUD. SHOUT EVERYTHING.

*Sigh*

Friends we must not fight, we must discuss.

Now Sister, tell us who you suspect.

She sighs again, more deeply.

"I have just done so but will reiterate. Thor raised the question of his own loyalty first so as to put that issue to rest in our minds. He then proceeded to harshly accuse people for the sake of 'drawing them out'--a convenient way to avoid us inquiring too closely into his reasoning. He has also played the role of a supposedly experienced and knowledgeable leader, goading and coercing others with his bullying demeanor in what seems a clear hope to manipulate others' opinions. Finally, when confronted with the merest hint of criticism he immediately abandoned all other accusations to point his treacherous finger at me. Need I go on?"

She sits down.

"So I will continue to watch."

Him and Arcti_Fangi seem to be working together, Im a keepin' a close eye on both ya.

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Okay, son, now take a breath and why don't we walk through what you were thinking these last few moments.

What were you hoping for as a result from your comments?

It started with you saying "lets' throw votes out"
and then BOOM

You have not answered my question - so let's break it down a little bit.

When you first voted for me some people questioned your decision and asked you if you had a reason for it.

You said yes.

We then asked you for what that reason was.

You said, 'well, I don't really have a reason, but he voted for me.'

My question to you is why did you lie about having a reason to vote for me? What was going through your mind that made you think it was the proper answer to give?

Manchu wrote:"Your hastiness is rather damning," Joan replies without anger, "especially considering that I did explain my 'methods' . . . by which I suppose you mean my formal training in the subtleties of diplomacy and intrigue as a sister of Order Famulous."

You explained your methods, and then I reiterated them to you and explained why I thought they were not worthwhile methods. If you're going to attempt to discredit me at least properly present what actually happened instead of sighing around like a suntanned Uphiver woman who's never handled an autopistol in her life. If you feel I didn't represent your thoughts accurately then restate where I made the misrepresentation so that a logical debate can be had about them and how I did or did not interpret your answer correctly. For the record it still appears your answer is "I want to lurk and perhaps avoid suspicion" and I still stand by my belief that such action is more helpful to a traitor then a true Imperial.

Manchu wrote:Thor raised the question of his own loyalty first so as to put that issue to rest in our minds.

How did I do this? I've encouraged people to vote for me as much as to vote for anyone else. If I haven't done this then please point out where this belief comes from.

He then proceeded to harshly accuse people for the sake of 'drawing them out'--a convenient way to avoid us inquiring too closely into his reasoning.

I believe this is a misrepresentation of my methods. I have asked many questions, and yes, I have put pressure and accusations towards others. However, i will note that it has made people start talking more (like yourself, who was quite fairly quiet up until I began to lob questions and accusations your way). As for using it to avoid examination of my reasoning? This is a gross misrepresentation. Each vote I've made I have openly explained where I was coming from and why I made that vote. Also - if you have questions you may ask me them - that's a good way to get answers. I ask questions of people to understand their reasoning, and I expect answers. I espect the same from myself and at no time have I encouraged anyone not to question me or my methods. If I am incorrect on this show me where I have done so. Otherwise you should continue to expect me to question your logic, because I'm not fully seeing it yet.

He has also played the role of a supposedly experienced and knowledgeable leader, goading and coercing others with his bullying demeanor in what seems a clear hope to manipulate others' opinions.

It's "clear" that I'm trying to manipulate opinions? Where is it "clear" I've done this? You should back up accusations if you want them listened to. Also, if it's "clear" I'm manipulating people why not put a vote on me to see how I'll react? In my opinion my largest bit of bullying was trying to stop a quick lynch of lotg and also bullying of people whom I think are being too quiet. Both of these actions, I feel, will help the true Imperium servants amongst us and I question why they seem so "suspicious" to a sister of the cloth.

Finally, when confronted with the merest hint of criticism he immediately abandoned all other accusations to point his treacherous finger at me.

You criticized me? When? You offered up a different investigation style, I asked you to explain how you felt it would help - you avoided the question in what I perceive as a suspicious manner so I voted for you and explained why I was voting for you. I do believe at least two of you have or had votes on me at one time or another - if I was really so jumpy why wouldn't I be leaping all over them?

Need I go on?"

Well, i expressed some issues with your logic and conclusions I'd like to have you expound on a bit, yes.

Lord-Loss wrote:Him and Arcti_Fangi seem to be working together, Im a keepin' a close eye on both ya.

That's a good question and a good idea. You should be keeping an eye out for people who occasionally seem a little too buddy-buddy and sure of each other.

However, the real question is how are we working together? You said we 'seem' to be working together - what evidence do you have to support this claim? Unsupported accusations are suspicious looking.

I did not lie, what I told you was getting my mind in order.

lord of the ghosts wrote:I did not lie, what I told you was getting my mind in order.

....okay?

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Thor665 wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:VOTE:thor !!!

Do you have some reasons you're voting me?

Yes.

lord of the ghosts wrote:as my reason is unclear, even to me, yet, thor has voted for my death, then I shall his

If you didn't lie and needed to get your mind in order about the vote and the reasons you were voting for me...well, what were those reasons? Is your mind in order yet? It's okay if you didn't have a solid reason - but then your answer should have been "I have a gut feeling" or "I want to see how he reacts". But you said you had reasons and then said those reasons were unclear to you - that looks really bad.

Thor, you are very desperate to insist that everyone agree with you. Mores specifically, you want everyone to hold it as the Emperor-given truth that

(1) all of your actions and thoughts are based on unbiased, logical assessment--when in fact they are merely hunches and opinions like the rest of ours

(2) that you alone know how to successfully hunt down the traitors--a claim that you must know none of us can be willing to trust at any juncture--and

(3) that the rest of us should learn from, emulate, and/or subscribe to your tactics and opinions because to do otherwise makes us suspicious--which is very clearly a method of trying to control how everyone else behaves.

The unspoken premise that I believe you are trying to subtlety communicate is that you could not possibly be a traitor. You want the rest of us to trust and follow you. You want to discredit those who refuse to by claiming their thoughts and actions are unfounded, illogical, or otherwise suspicious.

Your accusations are not the only threat tactic you employ. You also constantly try to dare or bait others into voting for you while decrying self-voting. Aren't they simply two facets of the same tactic? The distinction seems one meant to confuse rather than clarify.

Simply put, I believe that you are the most suspicious of all of us. I will not accuse you more formally than that because I admit to being annoyed at your shameful impertinence. My anger will be righteous, not self-righteous. If I must kill--while I am no uphiver, I am also not a Sister Militant--I will do so because His wrath rather than mine demands it.

Manchu, you're annoying.
VOTE:Manchu

And you, LotG, are band-wagon voting.

Could LOG and Thor be working together. That self-sacrifice thing could all be an act!

Manchu wrote:And you, LotG, are band-wagon voting.

No, you are just annoying.

No act, don't worry.
If I was working on an act, I would still be acting.

TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE FOR ANNOYING YOU IS WHAT BAD GUYS DO. WE GOTTA FIGHT ALIENS NOT KILL PEOPLE FOR BAD REASONS.

UNVOTE: MANCHU

VOTE: LORD OF GHOSTS

Manchu wrote:Thor, you are very desperate to insist that everyone agree with you. Mores specifically, you want everyone to hold it as the Emperor-given truth that

I am desperate to have everyone use good logic and open debate and discussion. Other then that they can disagree with me all they like.

(1) Hunches and opinions backed up by evidence as I see it. I have been insisting that people openly explain why they are doing what they are doing. Yes, I am attempting my deductions from logic but I don't recall ever saying that they were more (or less) accurate then any other chosen method unless that method chose not to use explanations or reasons for any given vote. I'm also not a fan of people not talking to each other.

(2) So I'm making a claim I know you all can't trust? When did I do this - I note last time I asked for you to produce evidence for your claims against me and you are once again making accusations without any clear evidence of any sort. Why is it so important for you to discredit me? I also do stand by the belief that my chosen method of encouraging conversation is superior to a method that involves lurking.

(3) So you believe my insistence on explaining the reasons behind votes and my insistence on people talking and not lurking are bad for the us and good for the traitors? Or did you mean some other type of control? Which control is it if not those I have mentioned?

The unspoken premise that I believe you are trying to subtlety communicate is that you could not possibly be a traitor. You want the rest of us to trust and follow you. You want to discredit those who refuse to by claiming their thoughts and actions are unfounded, illogical, or otherwise suspicious.

I have explained why I feel your answers are illogical when I made the accusations against you - you have responded by throwing more accusations at me that you do not explain logically why they make sense. You have also not directly explained why your methods were superior or suportable in an attempt to beat my logic. And yes, I am claiming to not be a traitor, I'm also trying to be overt in that message - do you expect someone to claim to be a traitor? If so I think you'll have a long wait ahead of you.

Your accusations are not the only threat tactic you employ. You also constantly try to dare or bait others into voting for you while decrying self-voting. Aren't they simply two facets of the same tactic? The distinction seems one meant to confuse rather than clarify.

It almost seems odd to have to explain the difference. Self voting is bad, because we want people to get a chance to see voting patterns as this process moves forward. If someone self votes they take away our chance to see who might try to vote to get them lynched, therefore denying us a piece of evidence. I encourage people to vote for me if they feel I am suspicious, just as I encourage them to vote for anyone they feel is suspicious. To be quite frank, I was questioning people who were saying things like "Thor seems suspicious" because they didn't add in a vote with that feeling of suspicion. Why would they do this? Generally speaking your vote should be on the person you find most suspicious - and the only caveat to that is to avoid dropping the final vote too early as the rest of us may want a chance to discuss the potential lynch more. Trying to put suspicion on someone without putting a vote on them seems scummy to me because it feels like you're maybe trying to convince someone else to vote before you do so you can more quietly slip along in a supporting role later. I would be comfortable if someone were lynched by voting (even if it were me, though I think that would be a mistake) but I wouldn't be comfortable if as the votes were piling up the person who was being voted out suddenly voted for themselves and got themselves lynched. If you still don't understand how I draw the difference ask and I shall explain further.

Simply put, I believe that you are the most suspicious of all of us. I will not accuse you more formally than that because I admit to being annoyed at your shameful impertinence. My anger will be righteous, not self-righteous. If I must kill--while I am no uphiver, I am also not a Sister Militant--I will do so because His wrath rather than mine demands it.

Personally I don't like your logic, as I've explained above, but let me ask you this. If I am the most suspicious what do you see as the advantage to all the loyal Imperials here in you not voting for me?

Lord-Loss wrote:Could LOG and Thor be working together. That self-sacrifice thing could all be an act!

I thought I was working with Artik? At least this time you actually tried to include some potential evidence with your accusation. What do you see as the concept of the plan between us? Did we know going in that our plan would be for lotg to act suspicious, get a lot of votes on him, self-vote, and then have me tell him not to self-vote?

lord of the ghosts wrote:No act, don't worry.
If I was working on an act, I would still be acting.

You still haven't answered my last question about what you were thinking as far as your reasons/no reasons period. Have you come up with the reasons now that you have thought about them? Why did you say you had reasons when you couldn't express them?

((OOC I'd also like to request a vote count tally - we've had a bit of action lately and I don't trust myself to be on top of it all.))

Also, ::spits chewing root juice:: I will reiterate, even if a lot of you think someone is guilty please do not drop the final vote on them. We want to have time to properly work over the evidence and make sure it's a good idea to perform the lynch. Haste helps traitors.

"Humanity no longer has an Emperor," Firangi mutters to no one in particular, "it has an empire, which struggles each day against threats from within and without. In our midst are many cults, some of which make their presence more immediate than others. I do wonder if it would not be advantageous for a gene-snatcher cult to plant its treacherous seed within a more respectable 'organisation'... Lord-Loss, blood of the Twelve. Sister Joan, of the Ecclesiarchy. Thor, a contemptible thug. These inconspicuous abhumans... All very suitable places to hide, and yet, there are others aboard this vessel we know next to nothing about. Upon this vessel, I sincerely believe that loose lips are in order."

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CRAZY MAN. THE EMPEROR IS GREAT CHIEF. HE FIGHTS BAD GUYS AND OGRYNS HELP HIM.

ORKEO HELP HIM FIND BAD GUYS ON SHIP

My entire post was a clarification of my thought process. You asked me to clarify my suspicions of you, did you not? I did so. But all you have done is claim that I have thrown more accusations at you. Isn't it clear that these do not constitute more accusations but rather a restatement and explanation of the original ones? I don't know how you can be so dense unless you're purposely trying to discredit me with your long-winded but woefully insubstantially speeches.

Let me emphasize these points: You claiming again and again and again that your methods are superior does not actually convince me that this is the case. Similarly, your protest that you have been transparent does not make me feel that your true motives are not hidden. Your constant baiting of me and everyone else to vote for you is extremely suspicious especially when considered against your warnings against self-lynching and casting the lynching vote. It seems like you are setting yourself up as untouchable while preparing whoever happens to be the last vote--regardless of his or her motivations--to take the fall as a traitor.

Finally, I never advocated "lurking" but have refused--and continue to refuse--to throw out random votes to harass people into defending themselves because none of us--including yourself--actually has evidence to refute those random accusations. Your willingness to perpetually harass others on the thinnest of pretenses coupled with your insistence that everyone else do likewise, especially when considered against your warning against being the deciding vote, seems severely disingenuous. Again, you seem to be trying to control how others behave while forcing the rest of us to consider your innocence a proven matter of fact.

Innocence--especially the kind you're insisting on--proves nothing.

I will not allow myself to be strong-armed into voting for you just because you threaten me with "looking suspicious." I will vote--and I definitely will vote for a lynch--when I am ready to do so and not just because some scummy hiver tells me I must.

*Edit for lots of spelling and grammatical mistakes.

Thor665 wrote:He also hopped on that vote wagon after I was trying to get everyone to calm down. ::chews his root chaw thoughtfully before spitting some out towards Lord-Loss.:: Where's the fire, buddy?

I'd also like to hear a bit more form some of our quieter friends.

@n0t_u - what made you want to vote for Lord-Loss when you did?

I'm not quieter, I'm in a different time zone, probably 15 hours ahead of your own.

His story is kind of contradicting, but the real reason was that he said the Eldar didn't do it. The only reason someone would say that is if they actually know otherwise the Eldar is actually as much of a suspect as everyone else. There is not much evidence to say the Eldar did it, but also not much to say he didn't. It just seemed suspicious that someone would be so sure about something like that so early in.

No, Arctik_Firangi, you seemed to be trying to get information from it. While it was kind of showing sympathy with the Xenos it was the most likely way to try to get information about it. If there was a Commissar on board he probably would have shot you for showing it kindness though.


As for the vote, at the time it seemed like the most likely one for me to vote for. But, the votes seem to be all over the place at the moment. So I might unvote until someone else seems more likely. There are a few actually that I suspect at the moment, but I will not reveal who they are. That would just create enemies

Unvote: Lord-Loss

Manchu wrote:My entire post was a clarification of my thought process. You asked me to clarify my suspicions of you, did you not?

I've also asked you a lot of questions and to show me where I have said or done the things you say I am doing. You haven't done that yet, therefore expect me to continue to act like you are just throwing around accusations. ::he shrugs:: Without evidence offered what do you expect my responses to be?

Let me emphasize these points: You claiming again and again and again that your methods are superior does not actually convince me that this is the case.

What about when I keep asking you to explain how your method will be helpful? Have you considered this? If my method is not superior surely you have measured you method and found it to be at least as functional. I have explained why I feel my method is superior and your method is inferior. You have explained that my method is evil and have said your method involves not talking much. Do not expect much respect from me towards your method in this light.

Similarly, your protest that you have been transparent does not make me feel that your true motives are not hidden.

Nor should it. But at least I'm explaining fully how I am reaching conclusions so people can either assault or agree with the logic used. I suppose I could just sit around and make claims without offering evidence - but I fail to see how that would help. Which method do you think is better and why? What method would you prefer to see people using? Why?

Your constant baiting of me and everyone else to vote for you is extremely suspicious especially when considered against your warnings against self-lynching and casting the lynching vote.

As I have said, I do not support people saying "Thor is most suspicious" but not putting a vote on me. Again I will ask, if someone finds someone else "most suspicious" why not vote them? You have thrown around suspicions but no vote and act like somehow that sets you above my method - okay, fine, your method is better. Can you explain why that is, though? As far as self vote versus encouraging votes for me - I have explained why they are different. Is there a part of my explanation you did not understand? You asked and I answered, continuing to act like its evil without at least mentioning what I did or did not already explain seems strange and suspicious to me.

It seems like you are setting yourself up as untouchable while preparing whoever happens to be the last vote--regardless of his or her motivations--to take the fall as a traitor.

What I am attempting to set up is a situation where we don't suddenly mob up and lynch someone without reasoned discussion. The last vote is potentially just as much a traitor as the first vote. The most likely traitorous votes are those made suddenly and without explanation.

Finally, I never advocated "lurking" but have refused--and continue to refuse--to throw out random votes to harass people into defending themselves because none of us--including yourself--actually has evidence to refute those random accusations.

And yet again - so how do you advise we proceed? Show me a better way and I will happily readjust. So far your advice still seems to be "no loose lips" which if we all took that tack we would very quickly find the traitors as the victors, wouldn't we? Already apparently my actions, to your eyes, seems suspicious. Therefore haven't you managed to gather some evidence from people talking and interacting? That seems to support my method over your quiet method because it has actually started to generate information that you feel serves as evidence. By you posting questions and accusations at me we have begun a dialogue that showcases the ways both of us are thinking - this provides evidence about each of us for everyone else to see. Once more - talking, accusations, and votes have produced information to be used as evidence. This is why I believe my style is superior to yours - if everyone was using my style we'd have no lurkers, and lots of conversation to draw conclusions from.

If everyone used your style we would have probably said hello and then sat in silence until the traitors killed again ((OOC aka the deadline.))

I know which method I feel is superior.

Innocence--especially the kind you're insisting on--proves nothing.

Silence, especially the kind you advocate, solves nothing. Your point being?

Also, you just got done accusing me of subvert claims of innocence. I came out with an overt claim of innocence and you got your panties in a wad again. Which way made you happier? Hive knows I could never figure out which way would please a woman, that's for sure.

n0t_u wrote:As for the vote, at the time it seemed like the most likely one for me to vote for. But, the votes seem to be all over the place at the moment. So I might unvote until someone else seems more likely. There are a few actually that I suspect at the moment, but I will not reveal who they are. That would just create enemies

I will remind you that your duty to The Imperium involves dealing with these traitors, not avoiding making enemies.

At the time you voted for Lord-Loss you said he appeared the "most likely." What did he do that made him appear more likely then anyone else at that time?

:Firangi hastily scratches the contents of the debate into his tome as it continues, briefly looking up as n0t_u mentions his name. His mechanical voice, crackling from within the heavy robes, returns.:

"The Commissar that would summarily execute an important Departmento Lexicanum servitor doing his duty would have his own reasons to fear judgement. On that note, should I be murdered during the course of this voyage, ensure that my cranium and upper torso is recovered and returned to my superiors. Compliance with this directorate is enforced - my department is always looking for new thralls..."

Firangi begins to speak with his human tongue; "...this tome, however, is for my personal use. My confidence in voting for Lord Loss was waning as others began to speak, but it has been reinforced by his past several statements."

Joan looks ready to slap the feth out of Thor but instead closes her eyes and bows her head. After a moment of silence and deep breath, she fixes him with her eyes suddenly clear of anger.

Thor665 wrote:Without evidence offered what do you expect my responses to be?

"You have yourself never offered a shred of evidence that is not actually a mere opinion, an unsupported assumption about someone's behavior. You proceed to weave these assumptions into 'evidence' by saying over and over 'that's suspicious, that's suspicious,' which I am sorry to remind you is not actually an argument.

What about when I keep asking you to explain how your method will be helpful?

"I have explained at least three times now why I think your method amounts to bullying and vote manipulation. Surely, my method--relying on my own insight rather than attempting to command everyone else's--can belegitimately preferable to me? Unlike you, I do not demand that everyone think and act exactly as I do. I do not expect that you could, actually, given your lack of Schola and Inquisitorial training. I do not insist that you stop trying to force everyone to your view while randomly accusing anyone and everyone. I have never demanded that you stop much less that you should adopt my thought process. I merely noted my disagreement with it and, when you pressed me about who I thought was suspicious, I also declared that I thought your way of doing things made you a likely traitor. You have responded violently and desperately to that comment, which strengthens my suspicions of you."

I do not support people saying "Thor is most suspicious" but not putting a vote on me.

"Whether we agree on this point or not is immaterial. I will not be forced to vote by you or anyone else. I will come to my own decision when I feel that I am untouched by the bias of anger or humiliation." She takes another deep breath. "I am currently unable to do so."

What I am attempting to set up is a situation where we don't suddenly mob up and lynch someone without reasoned discussion.

"Additionally, comments like these make me doubt that you are truly a traitor. I simply will not vote for you until I have more information about the others."

By you posting questions and accusations at me we have begun a dialogue that showcases the ways both of us are thinking - this provides evidence about each of us for everyone else to see.

"You see, your line of thought is not entirely without merit. What I object to the most is not communication, as I have said, but the seemingly random voting. Taking the conclusions about your method that you have just stated into account, I must say that Lord of the Ghosts is also a likely traitor given that he accused me for doing exactly what you claim is the most beneficial to our survival and the purging of those heretics among us."

Hive knows I could never figure out which way would please a woman, that's for sure.

Yet another deep breath, this time with her eyes closed. "I refuse to countenance the insult implied by such impious and undignified vulgarities."

ORKEO TRIED TO PLEASE WOMAN BUT BROKE HER NECK

NOW GEORGE WON'T LET ME PET NO RABBITS

Thor665 wrote:

n0t_u wrote:As for the vote, at the time it seemed like the most likely one for me to vote for. But, the votes seem to be all over the place at the moment. So I might unvote until someone else seems more likely. There are a few actually that I suspect at the moment, but I will not reveal who they are. That would just create enemies

I will remind you that your duty to The Imperium involves dealing with these traitors, not avoiding making enemies.

At the time you voted for Lord-Loss you said he appeared the "most likely." What did he do that made him appear more likely then anyone else at that time?

My commander aways told me to not fear the heretic, the pysker and the xenos. But, he did tell me to approach those with caution for deception is their main strength. Without it they are mearly a small bump in the road for the Imperium.

I thought I explained it in that post, it was because he seemed so sure that it wasn't actually the Xenos that killed Smash. It is still a posibility that the Eldar did kill smash simply as a way of getting the crew to fall apart into a witchhunt, distracting us so he can escape.

Arctik_Firangi, I would assume that he would do so seeing the kindness as a form of malfunction. But, I will ensure that the cranium and upper torso return to the Departmento Lexicanum, if they fall into the possession of the traitors they may have to be destroyed though. Hopefully they will not receive that opportunity.

OOC

Orkeosaurus wrote:ORKEO TRIED TO PLEASE WOMAN BUT BROKE HER NECK

NOW GEORGE WON'T LET ME PET NO RABBITS

I lol'd hard. "Where did he go? Where did he go?"

OOC

Orkeosaurus wrote:ORKEO TRIED TO PLEASE WOMAN BUT BROKE HER NECK

NOW GEORGE WON'T LET ME PET NO RABBITS

I see what you did there

@ Orkeo - did you pet them enough? It makes a difference if you do it everyday.

Manchu wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Without evidence offered what do you expect my responses to be?

"You have yourself never offered a shred of evidence that is not actually a mere opinion, an unsupported assumption about someone's behavior. You proceed to weave these assumptions into 'evidence' by saying over and over 'that's suspicious, that's suspicious,' which I am sorry to remind you is not actually an argument.

In your posts you made multiple claims about things I said while talking ((posting)). I asked you multiple times in my replies to quote me ((the posts)). Would these not count as evidence to support your theories of how to interperet my actions? That is the evidence I was talking about.

As far as the suspicious thing - I would ask you to remind (quote) me where I said something was suspicious without explaining explicitly what it was I thought was suspicious and some reasoning behind it. I've certainly called other people on it when they make such actions.

manchu wrote:

By you posting questions and accusations at me we have begun a dialogue that showcases the ways both of us are thinking - this provides evidence about each of us for everyone else to see.

"You see, your line of thought is not entirely without merit. What I object to the most is not communication, as I have said, but the seemingly random voting.

And what I was accusing you of was your statement that your 'style' involved avoiding "loose lips" (which as I understand it means talking - and I will continue to say that seems a bad idea). To my mind this *was* you saying you were against conversation - what did you mean by the loose lips line if not this? Also, at the beginning, I still stand by random opening votes as the best way to start conversation - after all, didn't it? Besides - this seems to me the first time you've really called me on the random voting to start conversations - you seemed more focused on discussing how I was bullying people and trying to act above suspicion, though I don't understand why acting in a way that seems above suspicion is any more suspicious then lurking and not saying much.

Taking the conclusions about your method that you have just stated into account, I must say that Lord of the Ghosts is also a likely traitor given that he accused me for doing exactly what you claim is the most beneficial to our survival and the purging of those heretics among us."

It's certainly interesting. Why don't you ask him to expand on his logic some more? Or are you asking me to do it for you? Are you attempting to redirect me?

manchu wrote:

Hive knows I could never figure out which way would please a woman, that's for sure.

Yet another deep breath, this time with her eyes closed. "I refuse to countenance the insult implied by such impious and undignified vulgarities."

Aw, c'mon, don't take it too hard. I'm sure being taught about avoiding loose lips has many applications for your organization ::he gives a double pistol finger point with a smirking grin:: a poor Underhiver like me probably just don't understand all the implications.

n0t_u wrote:
Arctik_Firangi, I would assume that he would do so seeing the kindness as a form of malfunction. But, I will ensure that the cranium and upper torso return to the Departmento Lexicanum, if they fall into the possession of the traitors they may have to be destroyed though. Hopefully they will not receive that opportunity.

:Firangi pauses and taps his chin with his scribe:

"An Imperial Commissar watching me study xenos is surely shirking his own duties," he muses, before the electronic voice breaks out with, "and I needn't mention that the removal of my skull would deprive me of little more than my secondary ocular and vocal systems..."

"My machine-host digresses," Firangi interrupts. He places his scribe in the clamp of his lower mechadendrite and allows it to continue writing as he speaks.

"This banter grows tiresome. The only way to examine the behaviour of our companions on this ship is by provoking it. Beyond that, we are nothing to each other but what we claim to be. I could hypothesise that it would be in the interests of these gene-snatchers to implant a male and female pair, and there is only one female suspect upon this ship... but this is not a densely populated hive. There would be no purpose. I could say, as I have, that the Ogryn would make a prime cantidate in this enclosed ship, but we are dealing with treacherous xenos... I only expect ther methods to be unexpected. We cannot hope for them to simply reveal themselves. We can only hope for them to slip up. Lord of the Ghosts has done so to some degree, but he is either an impressive idiot or a distraction that must be inored. Lord-Loss has otherwise been fairly consistent in his suspicious behaviour and is my vote at the present time. I am in league with Thor only so far as I think it is prudent that we cast accusation at this stage. I otherwise trust him no more than I trust anyone... but for myself."

Chaos can take root anywhere, he would keep watch on all in his presence. But, I digress, it's not the time to debate this. If we do it mearly gives the enemy an edge over us.

I meant if you had been killed, I sometimes forget how much detail is required when talking to servitors. You asked for it to be returned if you were killed I simply said I would return them if that were to happen.

I agree with you though. We should suspect everyone and trust no one at the moment, even you could be a Gene Stealer. You do seem fairly advanced for a servitor, but that could just be from the role you are assigned. I, however, am not going to ally myself with anyone yet, until it is clear what is happening it would simply be a mistake. After some thought I realise I should have kept my vote rather than dismiss it.

Vote: Lord-Loss

"The scribe makes some good points but I still refuse to be forced into acting against my conscience, which has been formed by Living Saints."

She looks at Thor: "We will undoubtedly remain suspicious of one another but this debate must eventually end lest we continue to argue even as the traitors slit our own throats. (OOC: I'm not going quote-hunting through the thread out of IRL laziness and I think I have good RP reasons, too.) Observing your manner of bullying the others--and random accusations are the chief examples of that bullying--leads me to be suspicious of your motives and I will not go through why for a fourth time nor will I scour the scribe's notes to find specific quotations. I'm sure you would simply claim that I was misrepresenting you in any case given your penchant for either misrepresenting or mishearing nearly everything that I have said to you."

She crosses her arms and plants her feet. "And again I am still not going to be coerced into voting by you or anyone else."

"As for redirecting you to Lord of the Ghosts, I simply pointed out that he was actually guilty of denouncing your favorite tactic--endless argument--while I have worked up the patience to indulge it this long. As for confronting him myself, I already accused him of being a band-wagon voter and he responded with a meaningless reiteration of his argument-in-fact against open conversation. What puzzles me, therefore, is why you don't attempt to make him your whipping boy as you have done to me. Is it because he is following your lead by voting for me? Is it because you have already successfully protected him once and don't want to go on the offensive against him yourself?"

"Let me spell this out for you so that you don't attempt to turn it back on me as you have nearly everything else I have tried to communicate to you: I have already confronted him about it and found his response more damning than convincing. Now I am confronting you about it."

"I am certainly not so advanced that I would be unaffected by tyranid gene manipulation... My augmentations are pretty basic... merely a vox recorder and player, powered right arm with modular wrist-socket, three modular mechadendrites, a Mark III Ipsus plasma battery array, a biological memory function digitiser with two seperate storage decks, an Ultio-class melee override system in case I need to be re-fitted for combat purposes... or if my physical body is killed... all of the typically required heat transference systems and exhaust vents, and this extremely useful scribe-extruder. I'm forever losing the things... after all, other than that, I'm only human."

(OOC: applauds Arctik-Firangi!)

Ah, I simply assumed that you had been lobotomised like most servitors. That means that you can become a traitor like the others.

*Also applauds Firangi*

Manchu wrote:I will not go through why for a fourth time nor will I scour the scribe's notes to find specific quotations.

Your desire to not do the work to produce quotes I do not believe exist is so noted.

Manchu wrote: I'm sure you would simply claim that I was misrepresenting you in any case given your penchant for either misrepresenting or mishearing nearly everything that I have said to you."

I do think you're misrepresenting me as I have discussed at length. You keep repeating the same arguments instead of going in and explaining what I am apparently misrepresenting. Feel free to point out where I'm misrepresenting you - then we can have a conversation about it. Otherwise...::shrug::. I've pointed out where I feel you misrepresent me, specifically and explicitly.

She crosses her arms and plants her feet. "And again I am still not going to be coerced into voting by you or anyone else."

And I will note again, for the past two or three times I've simply been asking you *why* you feel this is a better strategy then voting. You still fail to answer and act like I'm the one not accurately responding. ::shrug::

"As for redirecting you to Lord of the Ghosts, I simply pointed out that he was actually guilty of denouncing your favorite tactic--endless argument--while I have worked up the patience to indulge it this long. As for confronting him myself, I already accused him of being a band-wagon voter and he responded with a meaningless reiteration of his argument-in-fact against open conversation. What puzzles me, therefore, is why you don't attempt to make him your whipping boy as you have done to me. Is it because he is following your lead by voting for me? Is it because you have already successfully protected him once and don't want to go on the offensive against him yourself?"

If you go back and read you will note that I have been having a conversation with lotg for some time now. I am still working on getting answers out of him for his actions earlier - I shall work up to more recent actions as we move along (for the record, I didn't read it as a specific attack against my style, as you did. Instead I read it as a simple unsupported attack against you). If I was totally ignoring him your argument would have some validity to it, but I have not and am not ignoring him. If you think his actions are so scummy then, for the record, maybe you should pursue him for the way he answered your question- asking a single question and getting an answer that isn't satisfactory shouldn't equate to going "well, that investigation is done."

You are also a reasonable whipping boy (girl?) due to your habit of ducking questions - so I'll ask another one you've still failed to answer yet again; 'What *did* you mean with that loose lips comment? I still feel it was suggestive of you implying we shouldn't have extended conversations.

"Let me spell this out for you so that you don't attempt to turn it back on me as you have nearly everything else I have tried to communicate to you: I have already confronted him about it and found his response more damning than convincing. Now I am confronting you about it."

So what specifically do you want from this confrontation that I have not already answered? Ask me a question and get an answer. What about my previous answer wasn't enough? I will quote your confrontation for you;

Taking the conclusions about your method that you have just stated into account, I must say that Lord of the Ghosts is also a likely traitor given that he accused me for doing exactly what you claim is the most beneficial to our survival and the purging of those heretics among us."

Please point out the question.

It sounded more like an innuendo to me and an attempt to shift the focus off yourself. Please don't act like I ducked a question when you didn't ask one. I also did address the general topic in my initial response.

Quite simply put, you continue to insist that I do things your way and threaten me when I refuse by claiming that it is suspicious.

You want me to hunt down your quotes. I say no because that is not my method. Why should I find more examples of your bullying when every post you write is an example. You don't need to hear it from me because you've just said it yourself.

You want me to state suspicions in the form of a question. I refuse because that is totally unnecessary. I have explained my suspicions of you and the fact that your persist in the same behavior has not lessened them. More specifically, I have asked you why you aren't asking questions to LotG about his stance that my attempt at frank and sincere responses to your goading is just "annoying" while his responses to you are puzzling nonsequitors. You have only just answered that question, if you can call it an answer. I don't need to give you a question mark to confront you with a suspicion and you don't need get a question mark from me to dodge my suspicions. Your actions make this clear.

To continue being frank, I think you've just dodged the question altogether by re-interpreting your self-confessed protection of LotG as an investigation.

Speaking of which, you criticize me for leaving LotG's poor explanation of his behavior to one side after calling him on his obvious attempts to do your bidding. But I do not feel compelled to respond further to a person that so utterly refuses to explain himself--once again, you attempting to force me to do things your way rather than my wa. But this brings me back to that question: why are you so intent on interrogating me while you let him brazenly get away with it?

Let me draw up three possibilities for you. First, you and LotG are traitorous co-conspirators who think the best place to hide is in the open. Second, the only reason you're harping on me is because I am the only one bothering to pay you much attention at the moment. If the first is true, then we should hang you immediately. If the second is true, then we agree much more deeply than either of us have cared to admit so far--at least amidst most of the others who have been comparatively silent for a while now. Third, you are a traitor and you have been bullying me because you think that posting a big speech broken up with a lot of quotes that you have either not properly read or are willfully misunderstanding will convince everyone else to suspect me and take it for granted that you are a faithful Imperial Citizen.

I have told you so many times why I think I won't randomly vote and loudly harass the seemingly innocent while conveniently ignoring the seemingly guilty (what I was getting a with "loose lips") but I see that I must again summarize the points:

(1) I will not be coerced into voting. That is the easiest way for a traitor to get us all to do his own dirty work.

(2) I do not think random or all-but-random voting produces accurate results. It's a lose-lose situation: you're damned if you don't defend yourself and your damned if you do. You will end up persecuting an Imperial Citizen, like myself. It's lose-lose, that is, for everyone but the accuser because . . .

(3) It is a treacherous tactic that a traitor would use to distract away attention from himself (especially useful while he is shouting "vote for me now that I've voted for you," trying to bait you into looking like a traitor by getting you to revenge-vote out of fear or anger) and focus suspicions on a loyal Citizen, like myself.

I anticipate that instead of having listened to me, however, you will have been getting ready to say "you're suspicious for not quoting me" or "you still haven't answered this question [that turns out to have been just answered for the fourth or fifth time]" or "I'm not asking questions to a more clearly guilty parties because you made an off-hand remark about loose lips and besides I already asked him to clarify something totally unrelated to the thing you're asking about."

((OCC:OKay, that's it for me tonight. See everyone tomorrow.))

OOC
Thor's repetition is simply trying to make someone slip up, a good tactic, but it does look fairly annoying to have it directed at you. Just remember Thor, if you annoy the wrong people you will likely not live past the first night phase. Just try to keep that in mind and not go too overboard

seems to me, that this is getting knowhere. but i disgress, i dont recall being told a sister would be on the journy at the beginning?

n0t_u wrote:OOC
Thor's repetition is simply trying to make someone slip up, a good tactic, but it does look fairly annoying to have it directed at you. Just remember Thor, if you annoy the wrong people you will likely not live past the first night phase. Just try to keep that in mind and not go too overboard

((OOC)) First off, my goal is to catch traitors, not live past Night Phase 1

2nd off, I am repeating myself only insomuch as Manchu isn't answering questions - so let's break down a single discussion thread with Manchu rather then replying to his whole post and see what we can see. What you'll find below is an isolated out part of the conversation Manchu and I have been having. I believe it will showcase why I feel he is dodging questions and reinterpreting what I am asking for his own purposes. Is it absolute proof that he is a traitor? No. Is it a reasonable hook upon which to hang my vote? I believe so, yes.
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Here is my first direct interaction with Joan.

@Manchu - Lady? Joan, you have cast doubts on the xenos, which I agree with, but surely you must have some further thoughts to offer. Whom do you think, amongst us, thus far has seemed the most questionable in action (or inaction). Is there a reason you're withholding your vote for the moment?

Here is the reply to this question.

Manchu wrote:"Another thing I learned at Schola was to be seen and not heard. That lesson served me well at the blessed Convent Prioris, too. The Canoness Superior herself advises in her Manual of Devotional Forensics 'render not the pure mind vulnerable to the heretic's scrutiny.' As a Guard Captain once put it to my Mission's Palatine, 'no loose lips on the black ships.'"

I didn't like the way that loose lips comment sounded, because it sounded to me like the whole comment was basically saying 'let's not talk too much' so I decided to apply some pressure.

Thor wrote:So...your "answer" to my question is to say that you don't feel that you should say much of anything? How exactly do you see that helping us find the traitors?

I will note so far I have been asking *why* no vote and *why* that Joan thinks this loose lips thing will be helpful.

Manchu wrote:"What I see, layman, is that your making a show of bullying everyone else could either be a rather convenient mask for sinful, traitorous thoughts or simply idiocy in the face of an enemy too cunning for you. I hope that insight will satisfy your inordinately loud curiosity."

Again my question is not answered, is it really such an unreasonable question? I do not think so. But now I have been insulted instead of the question being responded to. At this point I vote for Lady Joan because I believe she is dodging my questions and that's a reasonable reason to be suspicious of someone. Sister Joan responded to some other tells (I am most fascinated by Orkeo's suspicions on her which she claims are reasonable and valid while mine are not). and then;

Manchu wrote:Finally, when confronted with the merest hint of criticism he immediately abandoned all other accusations to point his treacherous finger at me.

I "abandoned all other accusations?" First off I only had one vote out there, on Lord-Loss, and that I had put out for an openly stated random reason. I had also, to my mind, not abandoned other accusations since at the very least in one of my replies I was still pushing on lotg. My reply was thus;

Thor wrote:I asked you to explain how you felt it would help - you avoided the question in what I perceive as a suspicious manner so I voted for you and explained why I was voting for you.

Lady Joan then locks onto what I take as a reinterpretation of my comments. I had said to her that if (as she said) I was most suspicious, why didn't she vote for me? To a certain extent I was asking my original question in a different way - because my original question still hadn't been answered. She replied;

Manchu wrote:I will not allow myself to be strong-armed into voting for you just because you threaten me with "looking suspicious." I will vote--and I definitely will vote for a lynch--when I am ready to do so and not just because some scummy hiver tells me I must.

I explain what i meant by the most suspicious vote thing...

Thor wrote:I do not support people saying "Thor is most suspicious" but not putting a vote on me.

Manchu wrote:I will not be forced to vote by you or anyone else. I will come to my own decision when I feel that I am untouched by the bias of anger or humiliation.

Again, this insitance that I am trying to "force" her to vote when what I feel I have been doing is trying to "force" her to explain why she feels not voting is a good idea. At least this time she somewhat answers by saying "well, I am so filled with anger it would be unwise to vote right now." ...okay? Were you filled with anger back at the beginning of our discussion? This seems a weak sidestep once again but is the closest I've seen to her answering my original question. (apparently it is reasonable to talk about how poor my methods are while filled with anger though...::shrug: In any case...

I then offer up a reply to her where I can't even see me pressing this issue ((the 2nd to last post on the bottom of page 5 - if you can find what Manchu was responding to please post it up)) Her sudden response included this;

Manchu wrote:She crosses her arms and plants her feet. "And again I am still not going to be coerced into voting by you or anyone else."

Here is where I finally try to shove the shank back at her as her continual misrepresentations have been annoying to me;

And I will note again, for the past two or three times I've simply been asking you *why* you feel this is a better strategy then voting. You still fail to answer and act like I'm the one not accurately responding. ::shrug::

Manchu then, perhaps finally, after all this time, answers the question;

Manchu wrote:(1) I will not be coerced into voting. That is the easiest way for a traitor to get us all to do his own dirty work.

I will note he frames his answer by claiming he is repeating what he has said - I disagree with that assessment unless he is claiming it should have been inferred from his posts or somesuch. But, whatever, he has finally answered the question...Okay - so you will vote once you're not angry but you feel voting is the work of the traitor? I thought voting was our way or rooting out and lynching the traitors. This feels like only part of an answer.

I would like to know how you think voting will help traitors and not help us. If we shouldn't vote what should we be doing?

Also, I'm unimpressed with your lotg point and will happily attack that later, but I'd like to leave just one subject out there - I think it will help us stay more focused.

ghosty wrote:seems to me, that this is getting knowhere. but i disgress, i dont recall being told a sister would be on the journy at the beginning?

What are you talking about, scummer? She's been with us throughout the hunt for the xenos. ((OOC the backstory has us all as a group of operatives/hired guns/ect. who were helping Smash capture the Eldar))

N0t_u wrote:Vote: Lord-Loss

Do you have any evidence to back this up, or are you simply voting on a whim.

Thor665 wrote:Manchu then, perhaps finally, after all this time, answers the question

I answered the question from the beginning and several times after. I wasn't acting like you (casting random votes and loudly harassing the targets of those votes) because I think that is the way a traitor behaves. My answer was given in the form of telling you that I thought you were suspicious, i.e., I won't do the thing that I believe is of benefit to taitors rather than faithful servants of the Emperor. You constantly demand that you should call the tune while the rest of us dance. For example, as I have told you many times now, you didn't seem to notice that I answered because it as not in the "Thor-approved" format for Thor's "answer-just-like-I want-you to-or-you're-suspicious" questions.

Either you simply didn't notice or, as has been suggested, you did notice and have been willfully misrepresenting me to drum up suspicion against me and away from yourself. In that case, I've been right all along and you're only attacking me because you want to look like you are some kind of Inquisitor: beyond reproof because you are so qualified to accuse others.

Okay - so you will vote once you're not angry but you feel voting is the work of the traitor? I thought voting was our way or rooting out and lynching the traitors. This feels like only part of an answer.

I would like to know how you think voting will help traitors and not help us. If we shouldn't vote what should we be doing?

This is a prime example of the way you have been twisting what I said in order to make it appear to the others that I am a traitor. I never said I would not vote at all. In fact, I said I would definitely vote for a lynch. What I said over and over is that I will not vote just because you tell me to do so. I also said, and reiterate here for the second or third time, that I think you are just trying to bait me into revenge-voting for either you or LotG so that you can twist that into looking suspicious. I'm not going to let you set me up. I think the others are starting to see that you have been repeating yourself again and again when you already have gotten all of the answers you are looking for. You're really just fulfilling my suspicions of you, at least that's how I see it, by continuing to bully me for now reason other than to make yourself look intimidating and above suspicion.

And look who is really avoiding questions (after pontificating about "ask me a question and I will answer it"):

Also, I'm unimpressed with your lotg point and will happily attack that later, but I'd like to leave just one subject out there - I think it will help us stay more focused.

yeah, your right thor, she has been eith us the whole trip.....but, i dont remember in the debreifing anything about any god-damn nuns.....she just turned up

ooc: now may of got this horribly wrong, as i usually do, but i thought the classes were citazin, guardsmen, medic, inq, psyker, traitor, stealer and magus.
i cant see how she fits into it.
coreect if wrong, but she seems to fit the bill in an analytical point of view.

OOC: It's just a roleplay background. Thor is playing a hiver, for example. It's not a part of the game rules, just a dash of flavor for fun.

oh ive cocked up >< im so sorry, first game of this :(
ok can i take back whut i said?

((OOC: Don't worry about it.))

Manchu wrote:I answered the question from the beginning and several times after. ...My answer was given in the form of telling you that I thought you were suspicious, i.e., I won't do the thing that I believe is of benefit to taitors rather than faithful servants of the Emperor.

I outlined above what question I asked initially and how I thought you answered it and why how I interpreted that answer as a bad thing. You responded by saying you answered it right away. I quoted your "answer" and explained why I thought it was untrustworthy. What part of my logic specifically are you attacking here?

Manchu wrote:

Okay - so you will vote once you're not angry but you feel voting is the work of the traitor? I thought voting was our way or rooting out and lynching the traitors. This feels like only part of an answer.

I would like to know how you think voting will help traitors and not help us. If we shouldn't vote what should we be doing?

This is a prime example of the way you have been twisting what I said in order to make it appear to the others that I am a traitor. I never said I would not vote at all.

Neither did I say that you said that. I said not voting, using the present tense. You're misunderstanding - I am asking why you feel voting for someone will help traitors if you do agree that eventually we'll have to vote. What are we supposed to do in the meantime if you accept your loose lips concept and don't talk much and accept that we shouldn't vote yet either? I'm not following the overall logic.

Manchu wrote: In fact, I said I would definitely vote for a lynch. What I said over and over is that I will not vote just because you tell me to do so.

I am not telling you to vote. I am asking why if I'm "the most suspicious" you do not vote for me? Your answer thus far has been "I'm too angry to vote yet" which doens't make a lot of sense to me so much later from the initial flash of anger. Your other basic defense seems to be saying that I am trying to bully you into voting...well, that goes back to my overall question of what do you then feel is the advantage of not voting (at this particular moment) for the person who is "most suspicious"? Why shouldn't you vote for who you think is most suspicious? Your answer seems to be that I'm baiting you to vote for me. Okay? But does that mean I've always been the most suspicous and always baiting you and that's why you're not voting? It seems too conditional of an answer adjusted to cover past actions.

Manchu wrote:And look who is really avoiding questions (after pontificating about "ask me a question and I will answer it"):

Also, I'm unimpressed with your lotg point and will happily attack that later, but I'd like to leave just one subject out there - I think it will help us stay more focused.

That's because I was trying to actually get a clean answer out of you. Very well, let's examine your "question." For starters let's be honest about how much I was "dodging" it initially;

Manchu wrote:You want me to state suspicions in the form of a question. I refuse because that is totally unnecessary.

When you first posted the "question" you didn't ask a question. I had to ask you to ask a question. Also, I did state an answer to the general question of "why are you not pressuring lotg". I'll restate it here;

Thor wrote:If you go back and read you will note that I have been having a conversation with lotg for some time now. I am still working on getting answers out of him for his actions earlier - I shall work up to more recent actions as we move along (for the record, I didn't read it as a specific attack against my style, as you did. Instead I read it as a simple unsupported attack against you). If I was totally ignoring him your argument would have some validity to it, but I have not and am not ignoring him.

AFTER I posted that while pointing out that you hadn't asked a question you add this?

Manchu wrote:More specifically, I have asked you why you aren't asking questions to LotG about his stance that my attempt at frank and sincere responses to your goading is just "annoying" while his responses to you are puzzling nonsequitors. You have only just answered that question, if you can call it an answer. I don't need to give you a question mark to confront you with a suspicion and you don't need get a question mark from me to dodge my suspicions. Your actions make this clear.

So...

1. You ask me a question that isn't phrased like a question
2. I point out that it isn't phrased like a question and answer it anyway
3. You accuse me of dodging the question.

That's my read of the way things went down - how would you characterize them differently?

I'm also pressuring you more then him because you seem more likely to be a traitor. But for the very explicit - why haven't I called him out on that exact attack on you he made that "attacked my playstyle" - I will note that I did answer that explicitly, it's in the above quote from me

Thor wrote:for the record, I didn't read it as a specific attack against my style, as you did. Instead I read it as a simple unsupported attack against you

Do I think it was an attack on you? Yes.
Do I think it was supported? No.
Do I think it was logical? Maybe - but he offered no evidence so I'll lean towards no.
Am I ignoring that he said it? No, but I'm still working on some of his antics earlier in the conversation - I'll get to this one as I get to it.
Do I think he was supporting the concept of no communication like you said he was? No.

"ghosty, if what the Eldar alien tells us is true, then we are not facing any danger from heretics..."

(OOC, I presume we are facing genestealers, as that's the name of the game...)

"...which is a relief, as my area of expertise is xenos profiling. I was not informed that we would require a member of the Ecclesiarchy on this mission either, although certain classes of the Eldar leadership are often referred to as 'witches'. Perhaps you have heard the saying, 'no one expects the Inquisition'?"

OOC: At this point I take ghosty to be either a citizen or genestealer, rather than a support class, seeing as how he has failed to comprehend the other roles... Unless 'guardsman' and 'magus' are specific classes that I am unaware of. In games of mafia I am used to all involved roles being explained pre-game - although the cultist in the previous game was a cool surprise - as otherwise neither side knows what to look for. Hence I doubt that lotd was truly a Jester...

((OOC I'm not taking too much with Drk's setup at face value.

Thus far he's only referred to the scum as "a "a traitor" or "traitors" [em] Honestly for a while I was keeping a vague eye on everyone who's been saying Genestealer instead of traitor - but realized I was having to be on top of myself for saying it and also, as you noted, Drk used it in the name of the thread.

As to roles? Eh, he opted for a closed game - which do exist though I've never played one. He also won't even clarify the number of mafia - which I've never seen even in closed games, so...

As far as lotg goes - my gut read at the moment is all of his tells have been newbie tells not scum tells. But I'm not 100% sure on that one. The Jester comment was mostly a joke because of how painfully bad so many of his early posts were (I'm still trying to figure them out.). ))

::chews chaw.::

Orkeosaurus wrote:TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE FOR ANNOYING YOU IS WHAT BAD GUYS DO. WE GOTTA FIGHT ALIENS NOT KILL PEOPLE FOR BAD REASONS.

UNVOTE: MANCHU

VOTE: LORD OF GHOSTS

hmmm.
You have a point. UNVOTE: MANCHU
I am torn between trusting thor and being killed. I trust thor a bit to much, he might be a traitor, and if he is, and if he if lynched, lord-loss will say "he is a traitor-he was working with lord of the ghosts the whole time" then I die. but if I vote for thor, somebody will say "it's an act" and I die. (this is a thought sorting post)
Feel free to coment on my thoughts.

lord of the ghosts wrote:Feel free to coment on my thoughts.

As long as you're tossing over those thoughts you still haven't answered my last question seeking clarification about your early actions - of which I think a lot of the people currently voting for you are drawing inspiration.

((OOC - Also, be mindful about asking other people how to vote. It makes you look wishy-washy and perhaps like you just want to hop on an easy bandwagon. Also, how do you know the advice doesn't come from a Genestealer? Look at what people have posted, decide which actions seem more or less likely to come from a genestealer or an Imperial Citizen. Then vote for the player that seems most likely to be scum one way or the other. ))

Thor665 wrote:((OOC I'd also like to request a vote count tally - we've had a bit of action lately and I don't trust myself to be on top of it all.))

(OOC: Sorry, I've been busy)

Voting Count #2

-Ultrafool
-Orkeosaurus
1-Thor665 (ghosty)
-Arctik_Firangi
1-Manchu ( Thor665)
2-Lord-Loss (Arctik_Firangi, n0t_u)
-n0t_u
-Ghosty
-Mekboy
3-Lord of Ghosts- (Owain, Mekkboy, Orkeosaurus,)
-Owain

6 to lynch.

"And you were doing so well... But there is time..." The Eldar breathes in deeply "If you keep abusing me, I will be unrecognisible when or if we arrive in Terra, and your higher ups will beleive you have failed in your mission. You all will be executed for incompitence back on Terra. So, I would think it'd be safe to assume that the next person to hit, kick, spit on etc would be acting to kill you all"

(OOC:Ok, you've had your fun, but it's getting repetitive and anoying. Anyone who continues to do so, will have random events skewed negitively for everyone.

Speaking of random events, one should be coming up one page 10 or Day 2 which ever is first.)

Thor665 wrote:
(OOC anyone want to hazard a guess at a Jester role, because that's all I'm left with for lotg. A Jester role is one that fulfills its win condition by being the first to be lynched.

If he's not a Jester role then this is some of the worst gameplay I've almost ever seen.)

Thats a good idea, I'll keep it in mind

Orkeosaurus wrote:ORKEO IS VERY LOUD. SHOUT EVERYTHING.

"And they listen to you the least. Tells you something doesn't it."

Thor665 wrote:

Lord-Loss wrote:Him and Arcti_Fangi seem to be working together, Im a keepin' a close eye on both ya.

That's a good question and a good idea. You should be keeping an eye out for people who occasionally seem a little too buddy-buddy and sure of each other.

However, the real question is how are we working together? You said we 'seem' to be working together - what evidence do you have to support this claim? Unsupported accusations are suspicious looking.

"I agree. I would assume that it would be better to look for connections between people that AREN'T working together. Wouldn't you agree Thor665?"

Lord-Loss wrote:Could LOG and Thor be working together. That self-sacrifice thing could all be an act!

(OOC: I thought the self-sacrifice thing was a staple on Genestealer games now, like an un written rule)

Thor665 wrote:

n0t_u wrote:OOC
Thor's repetition is simply trying to make someone slip up, a good tactic, but it does look fairly annoying to have it directed at you. Just remember Thor, if you annoy the wrong people you will likely not live past the first night phase. Just try to keep that in mind and not go too overboard

((OOC)) First off, my goal is to catch traitors, not live past Night Phase 1

(OOC: Living past Night Phase 1 and catching traitors aren't mutually exclusive.)


Also as a note:
As the mod-guy-person, when I post, I'll usually signify in some ways.

"When I say things in quotes, I'm speaking through the Eldar". This means, that you can respond to it in character
(OOC: When I'm saying things like this, I'm speaking Out Of Character, neither as a mod or the Eldar)
When I say things normally, it's as the mod.

Voting is not controlled by the Eldar. If I tallied the votes incorrectly, then it is simple human error. Please keep this in mind.

I would also like to know, LotG, why you were set to vote for me simply because you find me annoying? I appreciate that you've unvoted me but that still troubles me. Perhaps I am still somewhat insulted. Not everyone has as thick a skin as Thor would like to believe.

Manchu wrote:I would also like to know, LotG, why you were set to vote for me simply because you find me annoying? I appreciate that you've unvoted me but that still troubles me. Perhaps I am still somewhat insulted. Not everyone has as thick a skin as Thor would like to believe.

you annoied me by praiseing the emporer a bit too much towards thor.
I trust thor, and the emporer doesn't kill innocents, unless needed.

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Manchu wrote:I would also like to know, LotG, why you were set to vote for me simply because you find me annoying? I appreciate that you've unvoted me but that still troubles me. Perhaps I am still somewhat insulted. Not everyone has as thick a skin as Thor would like to believe.

you annoied me by praiseing the emporer a bit too much towards thor.
I trust thor, and the emporer doesn't kill innocents, unless needed.

"Like now" Laughed the Eldar

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:"I agree. I would assume that it would be better to look for connections between people that AREN'T working together. Wouldn't you agree Thor665?"

With a xenos? I'd rather not. I would say look for whatever connections you care to look for. SOmetimes it is the ones who seem too close, and sometimes the ones who seem too distant.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Thor665 wrote:

n0t_u wrote:OOC
Thor's repetition is simply trying to make someone slip up, a good tactic, but it does look fairly annoying to have it directed at you. Just remember Thor, if you annoy the wrong people you will likely not live past the first night phase. Just try to keep that in mind and not go too overboard

((OOC)) First off, my goal is to catch traitors, not live past Night Phase 1

(OOC: Living past Night Phase 1 and catching traitors aren't mutually exclusive.)

((OOC: Indeed you are correct - but one of them is my actual goal and entails my win condition. The other is a means to that end. If I can only do one I will stick to the catching of traitors every time. It's absolutely silly for someone playing pro-Imperium to worry about whether or not they'll live to Day 2 if it means they're weakening their efforts in hunting for scum.))

Thor665 wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:"I agree. I would assume that it would be better to look for connections between people that AREN'T working together. Wouldn't you agree Thor665?"

With a xenos? I'd rather not. I would say look for whatever connections you care to look for. SOmetimes it is the ones who seem too close, and sometimes the ones who seem too distant.

"Or those who have no connection at all" smirked the Eldar

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Thor665 wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:"I agree. I would assume that it would be better to look for connections between people that AREN'T working together. Wouldn't you agree Thor665?"

With a xenos? I'd rather not. I would say look for whatever connections you care to look for. SOmetimes it is the ones who seem too close, and sometimes the ones who seem too distant.

"Or those who have no connection at all" smirked the Eldar

I like this Eldar.
Too bad we have to kill you *knees eldar in the face*
What did he do for death?
As I read, I have seen Eldar helping Imperial forces before.

STOP HITTING THE ELDER. YOU MESS UP HIS ALIEN FACE!

:: Pushes Lord of The Ghosts away from the Eldar ::

Forgive me, Orkeosaurus.
But my question still stands.

lord of the ghosts wrote:Too bad we have to kill you *knees eldar in the face*
What did he do for death?
As I read, I have seen Eldar helping Imperial forces before.

((OOC We need a facepalm Ork emoticon. Drk_O asked politely for the in-story abuse of the Eldar to stop, I'm not sure why it matters, but as game host I submit you should try to respect his wishes.))

::Spits out some vile smelling root weed and shrugs.:: I always sorta presumed what the xenos did to deserve death was to be a xenos. There rarely needs to be another reason.

Also, lotg, why have you still not answered my last question to you? Do I need to hold you down and drool chaw in your mouth till you will? Even Madame fussy-britches over there was at least willing to talk to me ::whether or not she was listening clearly is another matter, he mutters under his breath::

"Lord-Loss, any rational creature might act to aid another if it were in their interests. But even if their unique technologies and abilities would be exclusively advantageous in a given situation, it would still be preferable that we were in control of our own fates. My duty is simply to study this creature until such time as it is taken for execution, although to speak in our interests, I maintain that it may be a good idea to dispose of it ourselves should our situation grow desperate... Neither the gifts of a an alien psyker nor the gene-bending intent of our immediate enemies are of any benefit when they are beyond our control or comprehension."

lord of the ghosts wrote:*knees eldar in the face*

There is a sudden loud crash from another room, you all discuss what you should do about it.

You decide that only one of you should go, incase something goes on during the confusion. To figure out who that one person is, you draw "Emperor's Own Deciding Straws" to see who goes. After a few moments it is decided lord of the ghosts shall go.

Once in the room, the "Emperors Choice" Automatic door snaps shut behind him. The door is stuck closed behind lotg, and will be fixed by tomorrow morning.


[This means, that lord of the ghosts cannot vote, and everyone automatically has +1 votes until Day 2.]

Thor665 wrote:::Spits out some vile smelling root weed and shrugs.:: I always sorta presumed what the xenos did to deserve death was to be a xenos. There rarely needs to be another reason.

At last we agree. At the risk of drawing more criticism from you, I would pose the following question to all (as I was originally asking): why are any of you willing to listen to the alien witch? It is obviously aiming to work against us. Are you really convinced the line "I'm going to die any way" makes the creature any more trustworthy?

((OOC ...okay. Can we still vote for him and can we still communicate with him? Is it still possible to lynch him?))

Voting Count #3

1-Ultrafool (lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-Orkeosaurus (lord of the ghosts penalty)
2-Thor665 (ghosty, lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-Arctik_Firangi (lord of the ghosts penalty)
2-Manchu ( Thor665, lord of the ghosts penalty)
3-Lord-Loss (Arctik_Firangi, n0t_u, lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-n0t_u (lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-Ghosty (lord of the ghosts penalty)
1-Mekboy (lord of the ghosts penalty)
4-Lord of Ghosts- (Owain, Mekkboy, Orkeosaurus, lord of the ghosts penalty)
1 -Owain (lord of the ghosts penalty)

6 to lynch.

I'm going to try and get a voting count at the beginning of every page from now on.

Manchu wrote:I would pose the following question to all (as I was originally asking): why are any of you willing to listen to the alien witch?

i asked it once at the beginning who the traitors were, as soon as it started acting with xenos mystic-whatevers I have basically ignored it ever since. I do believe there are traitors here because...((OOC - because that's what the game is about))...clearly the restraints meant to hold it till we reached Terra are blessed of the Emperor and no frail xenos witch could shatter His most quality restraint chair. Therefore at least one traitor is here because *something* killed Smash ((or Crash, or whatever onomatopoeia his name was, I don't feel like looking it up just now)).

Other then that I think it is best to ignore the xenos and see no advantage in pandering to him as he seems to indicate we should. I have said as much before.

Thor665 wrote:((OOC ...okay. Can we still vote for him and can we still communicate with him? Is it still possible to lynch him?))

Yes to everything. He can still post. He can still be lynched.

I know it's extreme, but so is a knee to the face

(OOC: I might not update for two days, I have my last two High School exams over this time, so I'm going to be busy)

Manchu, I listens to da alien because He knows and saw whos kills Smash. thats all we haves so we sort of have to believe him, unless some ones else saws who did this and wishs to say sometin.

Wouldn't it simply be a better idea to throw out his vote instead? Also Lord-Loss, I explained it in the first post I voted for you. I unvoted while I rethought my decission after some of the other posts made by Thor and the rest. But, you should know, my vote isn't final I can change it anytime and will if someone else seems more likely to me.

The Eldar says he knows, but they are known to change sides really quickly. He says he knows, but he could just be using it as a trick to make us kill off each other quicker.

OOC: Although the penalty thing is making me consider LOG for the hell of it, but that's probably Drky's point

well whata re we gonna do? i mean seriously, what are we gonna do? one person is closed off from us, the tech priest seems to be too close to the eldar for comfurt, the nun and the scummer are arguing and the rest of us have been mostly mute.

we need to flush out the traitor!

n0t_u wrote:"I heard your story, Lord-Loss. It is very.. interesting... Your sympathy for the Xenos is not helping your situation with the others as well" said n0t_u, looking at the mess that was Commander Smash. "Interesting..." he said.

??????

How is this an explanation?

I show no sympathy for the xenos and whats wrong with my story?

(00C: Voting for someone because of there story is pretty dodgy and not realy a real reason to vote for them)

ghosty wrote:well whata re we gonna do? i mean seriously, what are we gonna do?

I still stand by a belief that votes should be made and people should offer reasons for those said votes.

As it currently stands you are voting for me - what in particular (or general I suppose) have I done that makes me stand out as more likely to be a traitor then to not be a traitor in your opinion?

Lord-Loss wrote:

n0t_u wrote:"I heard your story, Lord-Loss. It is very.. interesting... Your sympathy for the Xenos is not helping your situation with the others as well"

How is this an explanation?

I agree. There are certainly some reasonable points to raise against Lord-Loss but these hardly seem sensible. I'm pretty sure he's been leading the charge on xenos beatings - so you're either mistaking him with someone else (a bad sign) or are just not really hearing ((OOC; reading)) what is being said (a worse sign).

Also, could you expand on what's so "interesting" about his story as to deserve a vote? Certainly you can more or less point to what it is about it that makes it seem likely he's a traitor.

Thor665 wrote:There are certainly some reasonable points to raise against Lord-Loss

I'd like to get all suspicouns about myself out in the open, so I can answer them, before the traitors use them against me.


So Thor, what makes me suspicous?

I don't fully think it wise to ask me to answer before not_u. Thus far I have offered reasons quite readily for my votes - whereas specifically we're trying to discover not_u's thought process. By having me answer we do set up a situation where he'll be able to say "ah, what Thor said" or words to that effect.

That said, I will go ahead and answer because I believe dodging questions helps scum.

Your most scummy play can be found earlier ((pages 3-4)) concerning the lotg question. I'll run down the timeline for you;

1. lotg self votes.
2. I say people who self vote are stupid and that self-voting hurts the Imperium's chances.
3. You vote for lotg because he self voted.
4. I ask you why you think a traitor would vote for himself.
5. You say he's either a traitor or stupid and should be lynched (dodging the question)
6. lotg un self votes.
7. Arctik points out how you seemed to jump all over lotg very quickly - perhaps hastily. Votes for you.
8. You unvote lotg "because he's no longer self-voting"
9. I then called you on your actions and asked for an explanation.
10. You later hinted that i and Arctik might be "working together" and offered no evidence for it.

I'm not sure why if he's no longer self-voting it makes him any less a heretic or an idiot - which were your stated reasons for voting him. What I think happened (presuming you are scum) is that you saw an easy lynch about to happen, and tried to push it over the top.

I then derailed the easy lynch to some degree and Arctik called you on how hasty you had seemed - you then quickly backed off. You then avoided explaining why and later tried to paint a picture of collusion between the two people who had called you on your actions.

thor665 wrote:You say he's either a traitor or stupid and should be lynched (dodging the question)

A traitor might vote for himself to distract everyone If they apearing to be targetting his team mate.

Arctik points out how you seemed to jump all over lotg very quickly - perhaps hastily.

That was my first and only vote, while others have voted and unvoted several times.

I was the 4th person to vote for him, compared to other I voted slowly.

You unvote lotg "because he's no longer self-voting"

He had apeared to stop him suspicous actions, but I said I'd keep a eye on him.

You later hinted that i and Arctik might be "working together" and offered no evidence for it.

I was putting a theory out there, to me it seemed you were working together after LotG near death.

Should we post are idea's anymore? It seems not if there gonna be used against us.

that you saw an easy lynch about to happen, and tried to push it over the top.

I've had suspicous thoughts about several people so far, Ive thought about voting, but do not want to rush.

Lord-Loss wrote:Should we post are idea's anymore? It seems not if there gonna be used against us.

My sentiments exactly, Lord-Loss. This is exactly how I felt after being excoriated by Thor again and again for having a different thought process from his--or maybe just for having different thoughts from his. While I agree with that we should support our votes with some sort of explanation if we want to be taken seriously, I don't think that entails voting as soon as we have a suspicion. That said, I feel that I have given everyone else adequate explanation of my suspicions and given myself a chance to consider whether I would simply be acting out of anger rather than at least some reason, however necessarily uninformed thanks to the scanty evidence. After seeing Thor turn the same tactics he had tried to drown me with onto Lord-Loss, I am convinced that this isn't merely a vendetta. Thor--I think you are acting very cleverly, as I have said, claiming to be a master of objectivity and logic to cast suspicion on everyone else while eluding it yourself.

Vote: Thor

Lord-Loss wrote:

thor665 wrote:You say he's either a traitor or stupid and should be lynched (dodging the question)

A traitor might vote for himself to distract everyone If they apearing to be targetting his team mate.

Agreed...except that voting lotg was flavour of the month right at that time. Who was he distracting people from? This is either a weak cover up answer or shows a certain lack of awareness of who people were and were not voting for at that time.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Arctik points out how you seemed to jump all over lotg very quickly - perhaps hastily.

That was my first and only vote, while others have voted and unvoted several times.

Whether or not it was your first vote does not automatically disprove it from being hasty or oddly timed. If you want further insight to Arctik's reasoning I'd ask him about it. There is nothing wrong with voting and unvoting - it is when and why it is done that is important.

Lord-Loss wrote:

You unvote lotg "because he's no longer self-voting"

He had apeared to stop him suspicous actions, but I said I'd keep a eye on him.

That's fine - I simply question the logic you stated for the unvote and still do. How does him not self-voting remove all his suspicious actions up to that time? He still did them all and he still self-voted.

Lord-Loss wrote:

You later hinted that I and Arctik might be "working together" and offered no evidence for it.

I was putting a theory out there, to me it seemed you were working together after LotG near death.

You also posited a theory that I was working with lotg too. I have no problem with your theories - but would like to see you offer up some evidence. I still submit the "theory" came about because of how the pair of us pressured you after a suspicious vote. Re-stating your theory (once again with no further reasoning) does not remove the reason for my suspicion.

Lord-Loss wrote:Should we post are idea's anymore? It seems not if there gonna be used against us.

Yes, we should keep offering ((OOC - posting up)) our ideas. And yes, they will be used against us if they appear to be bad ideas or poorly supported. Feel free to offer up theories on anyone and anything - but don't be surprised if people ask you to show where the idea of the theory has some supportive evidence.

Lord-Loss wrote:

that you saw an easy lynch about to happen, and tried to push it over the top.

I've had suspicous thoughts about several people so far, Ive thought about voting, but do not want to rush.

What does this have to do with your apparent rush on lotg? I never suggested you didn't have suspicions of other people. I simply offered up a timeline and a theory of why I believe your actions at that time were scummy because you asked me to elaborate on why I felt you were scummy.


@n0t_u - you should still weigh in on why you thought Lord-Loss was scummy. Just because I'm on him doesn't mean you shouldn't be.

@Ultrafool - it would be very good if you offered up a few more thoughts about what you thought was going on. If' you're Imperium and staying quiet you will be easier for traitors to point fingers at. If you're a Genestealer and staying quiet, it becomes suspicious why you don't want any attention. At the very least could you say who you feel is the most suspicious at this current time and even better include a little bit on why you feel they're most suspicious.

Manchu wrote:Thor--I think you are acting very cleverly, as I have said, claiming to be a master of objectivity and logic to cast suspicion on everyone else while eluding it yourself.

And I find it fascinating that your evidence is based off the concept "he's so obviously working to explain himself and provide logic that he must be evil."

By the way, do you have a reply to how I interpreted the lotg interaction yet? You got quite quiet on that front.

::Sigh::

I believe the sister is correct.

May the Emperor guide my vote.

Vote:Thor665

Lord-Loss wrote:::Sigh::

I believe the sister is correct.

May the Emperor guide my vote.

What about the sister's logic seems so compelling to you? Do you agree with absolutely everything, or is there one more substantial piece of evidence you're locking on to. Are there any thoughts of your own bringing you to this conclusion?

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Thor665 wrote:((OOC ...okay. Can we still vote for him and can we still communicate with him? Is it still possible to lynch him?))

Yes to everything. He can still post. He can still be lynched.

I know it's extreme, but so is a knee to the face

{Ooc:I are sorry. }

@lord of the ghosts
What do you see as the advantage in constantly avoiding a question?

Different time zone, remember. That's why my posts have such a large gap in between them sometimes. I thought my explanation was in that post, turns out it was the post after it instead

n0t_u wrote:His story is kind of contradicting, but the real reason was that he said the Eldar didn't do it. The only reason someone would say that is if they actually know otherwise the Eldar is actually as much of a suspect as everyone else. There is not much evidence to say the Eldar did it, but also not much to say he didn't. It just seemed suspicious that someone would be so sure about something like that so early in.

I would have preferred to vote no lynch until someone more likely showed up, but that would make me more suspicious instead. But, I'm thinking of changing that vote to LoG instead at the moment.

OOC: The best I can fathom is that lotg was locked away for a disciplinary beating for not participating in, and actually rather disrupting, gameplay. I still don't think he's particularly suspicious. If the GM would like to clarify that this is rather one of these 'random events' it would be appreciated.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:OOC: The best I can fathom is that lotg was locked away for a disciplinary beating for not participating in, and actually rather disrupting, gameplay. I still don't think he's particularly suspicious. If the GM would like to clarify that this is rather one of these 'random events' it would be appreciated.

(OOC: I think it's pretty obvious. Also, Thor and I were pretty much threatened with similar "random events" for being repetitive. *EDIT: Actually, I think I misread that. Seems like Drk_O meant beating the Eldar was getting repetitive and annoying. I guess I was being quite for nothing!)

Alright, I've decided to change my vote from Lord-Loss to LoG instead. Drky mentioned that the next person to do it would be doing it probably as a way of hurting the group. While it is probably unlikely that LoG is actually one of the Gene Steallers. Mostly though because we are no going to get anywhere unless we actually come to an agreement at some point. After re-reading most of this topic it does look like LoG is a fair bit more suspicious that Lord-Loss actually is.

Unvote: Lord-Loss

Vote: Lord of Ghosts

::Spits out some chaw on the floor::

Okay, seeing as how that lord of the ghosts fellow is only one vote away from being lynched I would encourage...::takes a deep breath::...

NOBODY VOTE LOTG FOR A WHILE AS WE NEED TO DISCUSS THINGS!

@those voting lotg - I think it since we are very close to lynching lotg at this particular juncture that you all outline again the reasons you are voting for lotg and really consider if he is the best person to vote for.

((OOC - I will throw out the thought that you should consider - do you think his play is suspicious because he's playing a scum, or do you think it's suspicious because he's playing a game he's not good at or familiar with. Yes, this is a major consideration.

Ask yourself, if you were playing scum, how likely would it be for you to have acted the way lotg is.))

I will also offer up this old hiver's opinion, that there's a pretty good chance that if lotg isn't a traitor, then there is more then likely at least one of the triators who is currently voting for lotg.

Manchu wrote:(OOC: I think it's pretty obvious. Also, Thor and I were pretty much threatened with similar "random events" for being repetitive. *EDIT: Actually, I think I misread that. Seems like Drk_O meant beating the Eldar was getting repetitive and annoying. I guess I was being quite for nothing!)

((OOC - at least that does explain why you suddenly stopped talking...not that I still don't think you're scummy looking Yeah, Drk O made it fairly explicit that his only issue [for the nonce] was Eldar beatings.))

n0t_u wrote:While it is probably unlikely that LoG is actually one of the Gene Steallers. Mostly though because we are no going to get anywhere unless we actually come to an agreement at some point.

n0t_u when you get to your reasoning I think this bit should *really* be explained. Why are you voting for someone who is "unlikely" to be a traitor? Just so people will agree who to lynch? That doesn't make sense.

See these chains ::points at Eldar's wrists::

Made of the stuff they make space marine armour from, Nothing could get out of that.

Im sure the Eldar didnt do it, but I know there to be traitors in our midst. If there working for the Eldar, I do not know. But for now we must ignore him.

The crowd of Terrans waiting his execution will take care of his torment ::spits at eldar's feet::

Thor, you seem keen on pressing votes, as well as bullying people and using mere 'ideas' against people.

Lord-Loss wrote:Thor, you seem keen on pressing votes, as well as bullying people and using mere 'ideas' against people.

I'm guessing these are your reasons for voting for me?

Pressing Votes: Yes, I do think people should vote because votes are how we can gauge if people are acting in a way that is pro or anti Imperium. I'd rather get votes out so people can't suddenly hammer someone into a lynch without at least explaining why they are shifting their vote. - Why do you think this is a bad plan? How do you interpret "vote pressing" as bad?

2. Bullying people - this sounds like a parroting of Sister Joan's ((Manchu's)) logic - is it your logic too? I still stand by a belief that if I am bullying people, I'm trying to bully them to use logic and to explain where their votes are coming from. How is this different from "vote pressing". Why do you think my bullying for logic is bad? Am I doing some bullying that isn't the above stated bullying? If so where and what kind of bullying is it.

3. Using people's ideas against them: ...wha? Of course I am! I've even said as much to you openly before when you cried about me pointing out your bad logic earlier. If someone offers up an idea with no evidence or supporting thought process and I think it uses bad logic I will point it out or attack it or try to bait it into showcasing their poor actions in an attempt to find scum. Scum use poor logic in their voting, because they have to because they can't use good logic since that would lead to them. Therefore pointing out bad ideas and logic helps find scum! Also, if you think this is a good reason to vote for me...how is it different then you pointing out my bullying and vote pressing? Aren't those my ideas of how to find scum? Aren't you trying to showcase how they are bad ideas and use them to show I am scum? How does your third point stand up when you want to also use your first two points?

Idea's are Idea's that why there are ideas.

If I had some evidence it would be a theory, but using an idea as a reason to lynch someone, thats just wrong.

Bullying is bad, your trying to force people to vote too quickly. While just four posts ago you asked people to slow down and think before voting (Even after some explained there votes with logic)

Lord-Loss wrote:Idea's are Idea's that why there are ideas.

If I had some evidence it would be a theory, but using an idea as a reason to lynch someone, thats just wrong.

So what do you expect us to do for this first vote? Randomly pick someone?
Jump on whoever has the most votes?
Ideas are all we really have at the moment.
Ergo, we use them as well as we can.

Using them against people?

Lord-Loss wrote:Using them against people?

I.e:
Oh, I think that Lord of the Ghosts looks a little suspicious to me. I think he might be a genestealer, so I'll vote for him.

Thats an Idea.

Would you suspect someone if they use it as a reason to lynch you.

That all depends really, on whether it's a good reason. If I think that someone is simply making it up to try to pass the blame, then yes, I would.

Lord-Loss wrote:Bullying is bad, your trying to force people to vote too quickly. While just four posts ago you asked people to slow down and think before voting

Look deeper into that one, you might just actually catch on to what I'm saying.

1. Yes, I believe people should get their votes out there on people they believe are "most suspicious" (only you and perhaps Manchu [though I don't recollect that particular accusation coming from him, I think he stuck with "bully"] are saying that I want "rush" votes). If we get our votes out in the open that gives us an idea as to what we're thinking and gives us evidence to perhaps sniff out where a traitor may or may not be based on who is voting for who and why.
2. Look way back at my first comment ((post)) when I came out openly with the statement that we should not rush to lynch.

These are not mutually exclusive concepts and I question the logic that had you consider them to be or to act like this is a strange flip from my standpoint of how voting should be handled. Quite frankly, in that regard, you are provably wrong.

(Even after some explained there votes with logic)

Whether or not someone explains their logic does not mean it's good logic. But by explaining their logic they will allow others to review the logic and try to sniff out the bad logic. Also, did I attack everyone who voted for lotg? I do not think I have - though I do question if he is our best option for a lynch at this point and have said as much. Even if most of you disagree with me about whether or not he's our best lynch, I don't see what is strange or unusual in me requesting that we reexamine the logic of what got us to that idea, to make sure it has a relatively sound basis prior to actually lynching him.

@lotg - by the by - DON'T SELF VOTE AND LYNCH YOURSELF. That will hurt our chances to find the traitors amongst us. If it comes to it that we should lynch you, its better to allow the rest of us to cast those votes so that the evidence will be cleaer later on as to who worked what lynches.

((OOC, a quick fox for my point #2 above

I stand corrected - I thought I had posted my 'don't rush to lynch in my first post - clarly I should have double checked. You can find that information on page 2 my third post.))

Your manner, behaviour and actions all suggest a cunning Traitor.

Your good, I'l give you that but The Emperor Protects.

The way you speak, your crafty and always seem to be waiting for someone to slip up so you can jump on them.

Lord-Loss wrote:Your manner, behaviour and actions all suggest a cunning Traitor.

Why and how?

Do you have any response to my responses to you?

Thor665 wrote:Whether or not someone explains their logic does not mean it's good logic.

Whether its good logic or not is not relevant. You asked for logic and they gave it and went on to vote for someone. They meet your requirment for how voting should be done, you 'bullied' people into voting how you wanted.

Thor665 wrote:If we get our votes out in the open that gives us an idea as to what we're thinking and gives us evidence to perhaps sniff out where a traitor may or may not

Or we could get discussion going and not rushing our votes.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Thor665 wrote:Whether or not someone explains their logic does not mean it's good logic.

Whether its good logic or not is not relevant. You asked for logic and they gave it and went on to vote for someone. They meet your requirment for how voting should be done, you 'bullied' people into voting how you wanted.

Um...yes? So? I agreed that I was happy with those who used logic and then explained why I would attack bad logic. I have no idea what point you're trying to make here.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Thor665 wrote:If we get our votes out in the open that gives us an idea as to what we're thinking and gives us evidence to perhaps sniff out where a traitor may or may not

Or we could get discussion going and not rushing our votes.

But how do we start discussion without putting out votes? I guess we could say - "I think you're the most suspicious" and not vote for someone, but then I would ask why do that, since it's the same as voting at that point. I already explianed why I thought your discussion starters at the beginning of the day ((game)) were fun but not helpful to actually find traitors.

((OOC - I have already explained the purpose of the Random Voting Stage in an earlier post - do you want me to restate why it's a good start? Also, we're not in the RVS anymore, so I question why you're attempting to use my belief in RVS as some sort of angle against me now. I also explained why asking back story info, while fun and interesting, would not be as functional as getting voting started. If you need me to re-explain the logic I will, Just ask.))

::Shrugs::

It gets discussion started and would eventually lead to voting.

Lord-Loss wrote:It gets discussion started and would eventually lead to voting.

Perhaps - but I already outlined why I feel it's an inferior tactic. I have also outlined why I believe my tactic works.

If you're voting for me because of this standpoint I do feel it's intrinsic upon you to showcase why what I am advocating supports traitors and hurts Imperium. (you will note, even though I feel your story tactic is inferior, I never cited it as a reason to vote for you. That's because your tactic doesn't help or hinder traitors intrinsically. Therefore it's not a good tell one way or the other as to you being or not being a heretic. If you cannot define why my method is helpful to traiotrs and/or confuses the Imperium players then I submit it's not a valid reason to vote for me.)

Also, I still don't understand your first point from the above post and did ask you to clarify it for me - what did you mean? It still sounds vaguely like you're saying I "bullied" them into adding logic to their votes. I still say that I should be thanked for this effort as I believe it is obviously helpful to the pro Imperium people here to have logic used more, not less. If you disagree (or if I am misunderstanding your point, which I did ask you to clarify in my previous post) then you should be able to showcase why my "bullying" demands for logic will be helpful to traitors and/or harmful to Imperium players.

Its more the way you've bullied people into using your voting method.

Its very suspicous and you have been tryna pin one of us after another. First it was Sister Joan, now me.

I can only imagine the havoc you could wreck if your allowed to contuine.

(OOC:Where is everyone else? Its only me, Manchu, Thor, Mekboy, LoG and N0t_u who have said a word so far. When is 'Podding' going to take place?)

Lord-Loss wrote:Its more the way you've bullied people into using your voting method.

But as far as I can tell you define my vote method as demanding reasons for votes and expression of who you think is most guilty without a rush to lynch. How do you define this as bad for Imperium and good for traitors?

If you don't think it's bad for Imperium and good for traitors why vote for me over it?

Lord-Loss wrote:Its very suspicous and you have been tryna pin one of us after another. First it was Sister Joan, now me.

Actually if you'll look I'm still voting for hot legs McGee over there. All I'm asking for you to do is to please explain the logic you have for voting me - and you seem to be having a hard time expressing it.

Guilty conscience?

Lord-Loss wrote:I can only imagine the havoc you could wreck if your allowed to contuine.

I agree, my slaughterhouse of requiring explanations and logic would continue - woe to the Imperium!

Lord-Loss wrote:(OOC:Where is everyone else? Its only me, Manchu, Thor, Mekboy, LoG and N0t_u who have said a word so far. When is 'Podding' going to take place?)

Rules Post wrote:1)A player will get prodded if they have been inactive for three days.

2)Weekends count as one day. (ie If your last post is on a Thursday you will not be prodded till the Monday following)

((OOC - You can also request a prod of any player (though Drk_O said he might be away for a few days))

ORKEO HAVE NO IDEA WHO IS GENESTEALER. TOO MANY TALKINGS.

Thor665 wrote:Guilty conscience?

Your a sly old Fox, always countering what I say and bringing up new questions.

you don't think it's bad for Imperium and good for traitors why vote for me over it?

Its irrelevant if your system is effective or not. Whats important is that you can easily manipulate who the way people vote and you have been doing so.

my slaughterhouse of requiring explanations and logic would continue - woe to the Imperium!

See above.

(OOC: As a funny random event, someone has to "Wath the Orgyn", so the "person washing him" cannot vote, but Orkeo can cause he got better ears then 'umans and can shout through walls.)

Lord-Loss wrote:Its more the way you've bullied people into using your voting method.

Its very suspicous and you have been tryna pin one of us after another. First it was Sister Joan, now me.

I can only imagine the havoc you could wreck if your allowed to contuine.

(OOC:Where is everyone else? Its only me, Manchu, Thor, Mekboy, LoG and N0t_u who have said a word so far. When is 'Podding' going to take place?)

"It would certainly wreak havoc... if it turned out that you were guilty. However, since the majority of us are loyalists, it does not affect us so much for the time being. And for the record, it was you first, and then the Sister."

I don't think Thor is going to see the point, L-L. I tried and tried to get him to think beyond his own viewpoint but, admirably enough in any other circumstance, his mind is like a fortress. There are two possibilities: He really can't see past his own nose or he's a lying traitor playing us for the logical one. Given the aggressive, desperate edge to his logic, however, I am obviously inclined to believe the latter.

@Arctik: Yes, that's right, isn't it? You went after Lord-Loss for a little while and then started on me. How very opportunistic. You'll attack whoever gives you the chance, it seems.

Manchu wrote:I don't think Thor is going to see the point, L-L. I tried and tried to get him to think beyond his own viewpoint but, admirably enough in any other circumstance, his mind is like a fortress. There are two possibilities: He really can't see past his own nose or he's a lying traitor playing us for the logical one. Given the aggressive, desperate edge to his logic, however, I am obviously inclined to believe the latter.

:Firangi raises an eyebrow:

"I'm not going to pretend that I am fond of the Ecclesiarchy... I have seen this method in your cult's preachings before, so I do not presume you to be guilty because of it... but saying that a thing you believe is true and then claiming that another, with a different opinion, is the 'stubborn' one does not ring with consistency in my opinion."

further@manchu for ninja'd: "Were you addressing me with that comment, or Thor? I was pointing out earlier that Lord-Loss was incorrect in his recollection of the order in which Thor had accused him and you. I maintain that I have no strong reason to suspect you."

Wait, wait, when did Praising the Emperor become 'Cult preaching'?

Unless you do not Worship his holyness Arctik_Firangi?

"I believe in humanity and worship an aspect of the Emperor that has little to do with the carcass on Terra."

@Arctik: Sisters of Order Famulous have need for more measured responses to both investigation and negotiation than our militant sisters. As I said, I would admire Thor's unbending will if I could be sure of his motives. In this situation, however, I wonder why he believes it would be best for the Imperium that everyone approach the hunt for the traitors exactly like he wants or, at least, under his guidance. My silence until spoken to does not prevent or hinder his interrogations. My suspicion of him, however, when he had heretofore seemed above suspicion seems to be more troublesome to him.

Also, with regard to the blessed Emperor, I find your undignified language inappropriate to the complexity of the theological topic you address.

(OCC: Sorry about the unclear post--was agreeing with you then talking to Thor.))

Manchu wrote: In this situation, however, I wonder why he believes it would be best for the Imperium that everyone approach the hunt for the traitors exactly like he wants

I have explained multiple times why I believe my method is better. You have not explained why yours is better but continue to act as though mine is toxic.

Manchu wrote:My silence until spoken to does not prevent or hinder his interrogations.

Nor did I say it did. I simply said that attempting to breed a climate of not talking and avoiding "loose lips" is unameniable to us catching the traitors. I have explained why I feel your stated method represents that belief. I have asked multiple times for you to explain why it's better and thus far the best you can manage is that apparently I am somehow controlling the vote. This is provable as not true, because if I was somehow controlling the vote the person who would be one vote away from a lynching would be you, not lotg - who at the moment I still believe is more innocent buffon then plotting traitor and have not seen much evidence to change my viewpoint.

Manchu wrote: My suspicion of him, however, when he had heretofore seemed above suspicion seems to be more troublesome to him.

When was I above suspicion and by whom?

I am not troubled by your suspicions - I am troubled by what I perceive as poor logic within those suspicions and have attempted to open dialogue with you about them. Throughout our conversation I felt you were dodging questions and you felt that I was being too obviously dumb to understand the answers. I submit this is a failing on your part to communicate clearly to me - since you claim to understand where I'm coming from. I'm still trying to get you to explain your reasons in a way I can understand.

I also can't understand Lord-Loss' "logic" and asked him to explain it to me. As far as I can tell he's trying to use your arguments - do you feel he properly presented him? Do you think he answered the (what I felt were quite reasonable) questions I had about the way his logic worked? I really never saw him try to answer when I poked holes in his logic chain. But, then again, maybe I'm being too dumb to understand it. Could you explain again why my method is poison and how it will work against us in finding traitors? I honestly do not understand your logic as to the why.

Standing back and saying "he'll never understand us, let's vote for him" is poor logic. What if I am innocent and just being dumb about the investigation? Why don't you educate me?

I still outline my method as follows
1. No rush to lynch
2. People should vote in order for us to see where they stand and as evidence for later
3. Reasons to vote (beyond RVS) should have some sort of explained logic and reasoning to them.
4. Everyone should question logic that appears bad.

How do you define my method differently from the above, and why do you think it's bad for the Imperium?

Thor665 wrote:You have not explained why yours is better but continue to act as though mine is toxic.

Incorrect. You keep repeating this and I'll not repeat my answer to it a fifth time.

I simply said that attempting to breed a climate of not talking and avoiding "loose lips" is unameniable to us catching the traitors.

Agreed. We figured that out a while ago. The fact that you're still bringing it up supports my contention that you want to appear logical but are only actually confusing the issues. Maybe it's intentional, maybe it isn't.

I have asked multiple times for you to explain why it's better and thus far the best you can manage is that apparently I am somehow controlling the vote. This is provable as not true, because if I was somehow controlling the vote the person who would be one vote away from a lynching would be you, not lotg - who at the moment I still believe is more innocent buffon then plotting traitor and have not seen much evidence to change my viewpoint.

I have explained myself on multiple occasions. And there is no proof you are not trying to attempt to control the vote. There is only proof that you are not very successful if your true motive is to mobilize the other against me. Furthermore, the only evidence you have against me is that I disagree with you.

Could you explain again why my method is poison and how it will work against us in finding traitors? I honestly do not understand your logic as to the why.

I don't think that. I think you're mannerism could be a convenient way to cover up being a traitor and shifting blame as I have said so many times over.

What if I am innocent and just being dumb about the investigation?

I have outlined that possibility several times. Your persistence in the same desperately (sorry, that simply is the best word to describe it from my perspective) desperately confrontational approach--as I just said--is what makes me believe otherwise.

How do you define my method differently from the above, and why do you think it's bad for the Imperium?

Your method is not toxic, poison, or bad for the Imperium if you are loyal. If you are not loyal, which is my feeling (explained countless times), then this is just a very clever act. So you see, I'm not telling you to stop or that you're tearing down the Imperium here. Like I said (or at least meant to imply and have since clarified) when you first questioned me: your methods are not mine and your insistence that I adopt yours is awfully scummy.

I thank this Eldar, for now I don't have to vote, saving me time and reasoning. Thank you.

Did somebody hear some mumbling from the closet? (jk)

Manchu wrote:Incorrect. You keep repeating this and I'll not repeat my answer to it a fifth time.

You asked me why I believed it would be best if everyone used my method. I responded - simply because you have responded to my response before doesn't mean I won't respond the same way when you ask a similar question. I didn't realize you thought my method was good as long as I'm not a traitor - thank you, I feel as though I have learned something new. So we agree my method is good (as long as I'm not a traitor) and we agree that you do not believe your method is superior to mine (though you may hold out to a belief that it is no inferior - to which I disagree.) Okay.

Manchu wrote:

I simply said that attempting to breed a climate of not talking and avoiding "loose lips" is unameniable to us catching the traitors.

Agreed. We figured that out a while ago. The fact that you're still bringing it up supports my contention that you want to appear logical but are only actually confusing the issues. Maybe it's intentional, maybe it isn't.

You specifically brought up how your silence didn't harm my method. I was explaining again what I said. So we can agree then that your loose lips comment was potentially mis interpreted by me? You *do* support people talking openly and communicating and see no advantage to avoiding "loose lips" (if you had agreed to this before I totally missed it, when did you do so?)

Manchu wrote:I have explained myself on multiple occasions. And there is no proof you are not trying to attempt to control the vote. There is only proof that you are not very successful if your true motive is to mobilize the other against me.

And I still say the only "proof" you have that I am controlling the vote is my insistence on logic - a purpose that you yourself appear to agree with me on. If that is the extent of my control...well...where's the bad angle? And if you agree with me about the logic don't you then want people to use logic and therefore are equally as likely a traitor as me? Certainly you are not saying that a desire not to use logic is the sign of a loyalist - so I'm not sure what you're driving at. Is this about me "bullying" people to use logic? How is that bad?

Manchu wrote:Furthermore, the only evidence you have against me is that I disagree with you.

I will also cite the loose lips comment, as I have from the beginning, because of the concept that it appears to encourage lack of communication. Your defense always just seemed to be "but that's my style and I don't think yours is any better." Did you ever come out and say "I didn't men that when i said loose lips, I meant something else and of course people should openly communicate." I can't find where you did. It appears to be roughly what you're saying now - is this correct? Did you come out at some other point with a clarification to make that clear? I missed it, feel free to quote it to me and I'll apologize. I asked you to do this before and you flat out refused - I still can't find where it is.

Manchu wrote:I don't think that. I think you're mannerism could be a convenient way to cover up being a traitor and shifting blame as I have said so many times over.

It could be I suppose. It could also be a chance to use Ockham's Razor a bit. As I understand it you're saying "Thor's methods are good, unless he's scum, I think he's scum, therefore his methods are bad. The proof that he's scum is his bad methods." I submit that is poor logic.

Manchu wrote:I have outlined that possibility several times. Your persistence in the same desperately (sorry, that simply is the best word to describe it from my perspective) desperately confrontational approach--as I just said--is what makes me believe otherwise.

And each time I desperately confront you I always outline why and ask questions seeking clarification. I keep doing so, because as I've said, I'm not seeing your answers. Truth be told I still don't think you answered a lot of my questions.

Manchu wrote:Like I said (or at least meant to imply and have since clarified) when you first questioned me: your methods are not mine and your insistence that I adopt yours is awfully scummy.

You have said this - above I listed my methods. Which ones would you like not to use? We can discuss it. I cannot imagine why any of them would be bad for a pro Imperium person to follow. Apparently neither can you...(except on the vague assertation that I'm scum because I want to use them)

Firstly, I'm removing everyones penalty votes. So they don't count when I check them in a moment.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:OOC: The best I can fathom is that lotg was locked away for a disciplinary beating for not participating in, and actually rather disrupting, gameplay. I still don't think he's particularly suspicious. If the GM would like to clarify that this is rather one of these 'random events' it would be appreciated.

(OOC: Now that I'm back, sure)
Random Events are pretty self explainitory, They are events which happen randomly. I aim to use them to shake things up. Some have triggers, and I sometimes, I post saying what a trigger is. Such as with lotg as an example.

Lord-Loss wrote:
(OOC: As a funny random event, someone has to "Wath the Orgyn", so the "person washing him" cannot vote, but Orkeo can cause he got better ears then 'umans and can shout through walls.)

I want to make a funny random event, but I don't have any ideas yet

lord of the ghosts wrote:I thank this Eldar, for now I don't have to vote, saving me time and reasoning. Thank you.

Eldar didn't do it. You shouldn't have picked the odd "Emperor's Choice Decision Straw"

However, I'll add a trigger to get the door open, so try something if you want to get out.

:Firangi glances over to a nearby heavy cabinet full of holo-tapes:

"Hmm... Would anyone like to help me move that in front of the door?"

(OOC: Presuming there are only two traitors, and we manage to lynch successfully today - a slim chance, I know - the occurence of a night kill would tell us whether or not LOTG is a traitor. If he's locked in there until tomorrow, he presumably can't cut any throats...)

Voting Count #4

-Ultrafool (-)
-Orkeosaurus (-)
3-Thor665 (ghosty, Manchu, Lord-Loss)
-Arctik_Firangi (-)
1-Manchu ( Thor665)
1-Lord-Loss (Arctik_Firangi)
-n0t_u (-)
-Ghosty (-)
-Mekboy (-)
4-Lord of Ghosts- (Owain, Mekkboy, Orkeosaurus, n0t_u)
-Owain (-)

No Lynch-
Not Voting- Ultrafool,
Tempoarily Can't Vote- lord of the ghosts

"I would facepalm but I can't move my arms. If you Imperials want to catch the Genestealers more effectively" began the Eldar in disgust "Pick up a lead pipe off the ground, or off the wall because your Mon Keigh Vehicles are that well made, and proceed to beat your faces out."

Arctik_Firangi wrote::Firangi glances over to a nearby heavy cabinet full of holo-tapes:

"Hmm... Would anyone like to help me move that in front of the door?"

"I'd love to help" started the Eldar with a smile "But I'm alittle tied up at the moment, however, if you let me out..."

My reasoning was that he might not be a stealler, but he might not be a faithful either. The main reason was so we could just move on instead of being stuck in this stalemate until the three weeks of day are up and the steallers get to kill the others.

In simple terms a mostly baseless vote, like nearly everyone's vote. There is no evidence at the moment so it is mostly guess work at the moment.
Basically there was as much backing up the vote for LoG as a vote for anyone else at the moment. No one knows who is who and it is very unlikely someone would simply slip up so soon in the game. Basically for the first couple of rounds this is just going to be a witch hunt.

If a Genestealler is killed this turn it is mearly luck, the sooner we get past this first round the faster we can get to finding these traitors.

((I'm responding to this post totally out of character simply due to a lack of desire to go through the effort to transform game terms into in story terms and explain Mafia! meta in 40k-ese - just pretend I did

n0t_u wrote:My reasoning was that he might not be a stealler, but he might not be a faithful either. The main reason was so we could just move on instead of being stuck in this stalemate until the three weeks of day are up and the steallers get to kill the others.

Let's worry about that if we get really close to the deadline. For the moment we still have a lot of time to talk out our decisions.

In simple terms a mostly baseless vote, like nearly everyone's vote. There is no evidence at the moment so it is mostly guess work at the moment.
Basically there was as much backing up the vote for LoG as a vote for anyone else at the moment. No one knows who is who and it is very unlikely someone would simply slip up so soon in the game. Basically for the first couple of rounds this is just going to be a witch hunt.

You are correct - it seems unlikely someone would obviously slip up. However some of the people voting lotg point at some of his actions and say "hah! Obvious slip up!" To my mind that suggests either he's an obvious traitor or an obvious new player who has made some very poor decisions. I tend to favor the latter at this particular juncture and feel it's unwise to vote for him as a lynch Day 1. This holds especially true if the extent of your reasoning was; "well, others were voting for him and I wanted to get Day 1 over with." That is not a good strategy for the Imperial players to take - they want the Day Phase to last longer. Genestealers want the Day Phase to go quick.

The game is a witch hunt - but I don't think you're using the phrase correctly. For the first couple of Days it is not totally random. There are people who are good at this game, and their statistical chance of finding a scummy player within the first couple of days is better then totally random chance. Ergo there is some skill involved and there are ways to spot scummy players. Our chances are better then pure random voting as long as we apply logic and common sense to our votes. Don't let anyone tell you different. [and before Manchu flips out - please note that the previous sentence references the sentence in front of it - what I'm saying is don't let anyone tell you that our chances are no better then pure random voting. He can somehow apply his game concept which differs from mine in ways he won't clarify in whatever manner he chooses as long as he accepts it is superior to random chance.]

If a Genestealler is killed this turn it is mearly luck, the sooner we get past this first round the faster we can get to finding these traitors.

Of all the rounds this one is the most 'luck' based because the town will have very little information and the Genestealers will have a lot. That said - it is imperative that we accomplish a few basic concepts and do not try to "get past" Day 1. Day 1 is one of the single most important points for a pro-Imperial player in this game.

1. On Day 1 you want to get people talking and establish a concept of what they tend to vote for - this provides evidence for later.
2. You want to spot which players avoid logic or use poor logic.
3. You want to find which players seem too likely to lurk - lurking is dangerous because either they're trying to go unnoticed, or they'll be good targets for scum to get a bandwagon going on late game.
4. Optimally when someone is lynched you want every player to have a vote on whoever they feel is most guilty - this will become useful evidence come Day 2 in analyzing who did what and why. Vote lurking is perhaps worse then post lurking))

(OOC: It seems everyone has posted atleast once, but some havn't talked in a few days.)

If anything gonna happen we need to talk more people!

edited for stupidity

"You are most welcome to actually speak, Lord-Loss, rather than merely demand it of others. For example, would you care to defend youself against my vote?"

ORKEO TALK

GIRL AND SPIT MAN TALK LOTS, CAN'T FOLLOW

GHOST LORD ACT CRAZY, ORKEO NOT LIKE

ALL WE KNOW ABOUT ALIEN IS KILL SMASH. SMASH IS BOSS, ALIEN LIKE KILL BOSSES. NOT MUCH KNOWINGS ABOUT WHO IS ALIEN. STILL DONT KNOW HOW MANY ALIEN.

I have yet to see a reason to contribute. When you lot have finished quibbling about semantics, I'll be here to discuss the issue of the traitor or traitors in out midst.

::Joan's turn to arch an eyebrow::

Owain, allow me to introduce you to my friend Thor . . .

Manchu wrote:Owain, allow me to introduce you to my friend Thor . . .

Well, it's a horrible set up line, but it's true.

Owain wrote:I have yet to see a reason to contribute. When you lot have finished quibbling about semantics, I'll be here to discuss the issue of the traitor or traitors in out midst.

Okay, since Sister Joan ((Manchu)) isn't responding anymore I'll just act like I've won our debate and we can figure it is done.

What would you like to discuss? How do you feel we should open up the dialogue to find the traitor(s)? I'm ready to help.

Good to see that the squabbling is done.

n0t_u wrote:Good to see that the squabbling is done.

n0t_u - I'd still like to see you address my last post to you - how do you feel voting lotg to "get past" ((Day Phase 1)) will be helpful to us in finding traitors? I hit you logic like a Ratskin hits the Blindsnake, and want to see if you're still voting lotg because you still believe in your stated logic.

All the non-speakers like Owain need to speak.

Orkeo didnt take place in this 'squabbling' and he still posted alot.

How can we build up a view of how suspicous certain people are based on X evidence if you dont post at all!

Not posting at all makes your very suspicous without you even doing anything.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Would you care to defend youself against my vote?

You seem to be voting for me because of my apparent "slip up" after the voting of LoG.

My panicy behaviour could suggest two things:

I am infact a Genestealer and now have been noticed by two members of are group and paniced.

Or, Im a ordinary human who is still adapting to the situation and paniced when accused by two members of are group.

The real answer is the latter, I paniced.

If faced with such a situaton now I could probaly prove my innocence.

But there are several more suspicous members of our group and I think it would be best If we focus are attention on those who do not talk at all.

Very well. I suggest turning our attention to Orkeo. I'm not casting a vote against him but the nature of his character warrants, err... special attention. Wouldn't an Ogryn's stupidity be the perfect cover for a traitor?

ORKEO NOT STUPID. ORKEO SMART BONE HEAD. HAS LOTS OF SMARTS, IN HIS HEAD, AND LOTS OF BONE TOO

ORKEO LOOKING OUT FOR GENE-STEALING. IT MAKES SENSE FOR GENE STEALER TO KILL SMASH THOUGH, NOT GOOD EVIDENCE. GIRL AND SPIT MAN MAD AT EACH OTHER, BUT BOTH SEEM LIKE WANT TO FIND GENESTEALER. MAYBE BOTH GOOD

Owain wrote:Wouldn't an Ogryn's stupidity be the perfect cover for a traitor?

No more or less so then someone who seems quite clever.

((OOC - there is very little logic in picking on someone's chosen character personality since they are self-assumed and have no bearing on the role we play in the game (for all we know Orkeo could be a Psyker or Inquisitor just as much as a Genestealer).. This only makes sense if what you're suggesting is that Orkeo specifically chose to act out a character that would allow him to maybe not try to scum hunt as much. If this is what you're saying, say so. Otherwise please expand on what you mean in order to provide some clarity why you feel it makes sense to consider Orkeo scummy.))

[Eh, there's a shortage of good accusations to make early in the game. It's more fun to criticise in character traits than it is to randomly vote by just saying that you're randomly voting. From there you can see how people defend themselves, who supports them or is eager to jump on them, etc. I know you've said that we've reached the point where we can start to guess based on how people have responded so far, but I can't really think of any major leads at the moment. Besides the long fight between you and Manchu, and Lord of the Ghosts acting kind of silly.]

*a sound comes from the door*
*gets louder*
*door vibrates*
"TECHNO!!"
*Through the techno, Lord of the Ghosts says:*
"I belive ultrafool is a traitor, I have stuided other's ship deaths, and relised how the one whom is the mostly doesn't talk, like ultrafool, is most likely the culprit."

Can I ask you to rephrase? I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say (other than not_u is the traitor) much less your reasons for saying it.

"Other ships?" Arctik asks incredulously; "What in the Warp are you talking about?"

Turning to Lord-Loss; "I have three other minor reasons to suspect you. Unless you are suffering from an attention disorder, you have not bothered to defend yourself properly until I specifically asked you. Secondly, you seem to have trouble describing yourself... you have given us more than one story about your background, neither of which you have really followed up. This may be an internal personality conflict, or you may be suffering brain damage. The other reason involves another on this ship, and I do not wish to bring up this subject at the present time based on the fact that I am only speculating."

lord of the ghosts wrote:*a sound comes from the door*
*gets louder*
*door vibrates*
"TECHNO!!"
*Through the techno, Lord of the Ghosts says:*
"I belive ultrafool is a traitor, I have stuided other's ship deaths, and relised how the one whom is the mostly doesn't talk, like ultrafool, is most likely the culprit."

The pulsing beat gets more and more fierce, and eventually the door splits open outwards.

lord of the ghosts is free to do whatever!!!

Manchu wrote:Can I ask you to rephrase? I'm not sure I follow what you're trying to say (other than not_u is the traitor) much less your reasons for saying it.

Ultrafool =/= n0t_u
Wait, where did that come from? I haven't seen anyone suggest anything like that at the moment.


Thor, my reason was because I couldn't think of anything else at the time. Honestly, I really have no idea who to vote for at the moment and was more or less going with the majority at the time. There's no reason to probe further because there really isn't anymore to it at the moment
Feel free to continue to do so if you want.

((OOC: Terribly sorry, n0t_u!))

OOC: No problem

given us more than one story about your background

How?

Im from The Ultramar system, Im a distant cousin of one of the twelve.

I wasnt good enough to join the PDF, so I joined the Imperial Army.

Orkeosaurus wrote:[Eh, there's a shortage of good accusations to make early in the game. It's more fun to criticise in character traits than it is to randomly vote by just saying that you're randomly voting. From there you can see how people defend themselves, who supports them or is eager to jump on them, etc. I know you've said that we've reached the point where we can start to guess based on how people have responded so far, but I can't really think of any major leads at the moment.

((OOC - If his goal was to start a conversation with you because he thought you might be a traitor - then it was reasonable. Manchu and I were debating posting and scum hunting styles, and he dismissed them as irrelevant debates of interpretation (of which they very much aren't) and then took the high ground because he wanted to start real discussion. His real discussion is to open up with a random reason to implicate you... That seems a little odd to me. That's why I asked him to clarify his thoughts in that regard.

And I do think there's enough info out there to get away from random votes/accusations at this point. The purpose of RVS is to open up conversation and get votes on the board. That has been done.))

lord of the ghosts wrote:"I belive ultrafool is a traitor, I have stuided other's ship deaths, and relised how the one whom is the mostly doesn't talk, like ultrafool, is most likely the culprit."

((OOC - why do you think his lack of posting in that game (when he was an Imperial Citizen) proves his lack of posting in this game makes him a Genestealer?. If you looked at the previous game (my Game 2) you will see Ultrafool went along with almost never posting while playing a pro-Imperium role. So, while he didn't exactly have pro-Imperium play if you want to meta game him you should at least note what role he was playing when his playstyle was similar. That said, I would like to see him post more, as I believe lack of posting is more pro-Genestealer play then pro-Imperium no matter what role you are.))

n0t_u wrote:Thor, my reason was because I couldn't think of anything else at the time. Honestly, I really have no idea who to vote for at the moment and was more or less going with the majority at the time. There's no reason to probe further because there really isn't anymore to it at the moment
Feel free to continue to do so if you want.

How likely do you see yourself voting in this manner moving forward (going with the crowd)? Since you're still voting for him I presume you agree with the "majority" that he's the most likely Genestealr/traitor?