I am actually holding off until the new edition. It will be here soon enough, next summer probably. So kill team will hold me over until then. Warcry is awesome and I much prefer the fantasy setting, but the rules lacked enough depth IMO. Mordheim is still a better skirmish system, even though it has its own issues.

Trial of Champions helps a lot, but I do get that.

This still could be a new edition though, if unlikely.

The Soroth Kor campaign in the Tome Of Champions is what made me so interested in Warcry as a game.

The base campaign in the main rulebook just felt so bland in comparison

 DaveC wrote:
Warcry Red Harvest teaser

Geez, if they are going to steal MY NAME they could at least do something not pathetic with it.

Anyone know a good barrister? i think this might be actionable.

They spelled Red Herring wrong

So over on War of Sigmar it was suggested by user theMawr that the teaser is probably referencing one of the warbands from Warcry Catacombs. He posted a pic of the map therein, and one of the icons is a scorpion. So maybe the spider assumption is a red herring, and it’s actually the warband indicated by that arachnoid species instead.

Well scorpions would be certainly more cool and less terror-inducing than spiders.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well scorpions would be certainly more cool and less terror-inducing than spiders.

You, sir, have never woken up to a scorpion in your bed. I promise you, just as terrifying if not moreso.

drbored wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well scorpions would be certainly more cool and less terror-inducing than spiders.

You, sir, have never woken up to a scorpion in your bed. I promise you, just as terrifying if not moreso.

That depends on what spider and scorpion are being compared. I'd be more afraid if i found a Tarantula in my bed, than for example, an Euscorpius.

They look pretty friendly to me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They look pretty friendly to me.

This New Warcry Fighter Loves Spiders So Much He Made One Into a Horrifying Mask

The terrain is also new and looks very... industrial. Gonna go out on a limb and say Chaos Dwarfs will tie in to this somehow.

Unfriendly neighbourhood Spiderman...

Terrain screencap




Black metal, brass, gargoyles, cog and chain.

Tell me that's not Chaos Dwarf terrain

 Dysartes wrote:
Unfriendly neighbourhood Spiderman...

So, so, so, so much nope.

Spider-worshipping Chaos mutants and industrial terrain? Versus possible Chaos Dwarfs?

Color me very interested.

I guess we’ll see the full thing in about 12 days, at least by the sounds of the article.

I think the terrain pretty much guarantees a new box set for Christmas.

You may have spotted a few clues to the Broodmaster’s identity in the video, but who is the Eightfold Watcher?

Yeah, I’m coming up blank on the Broodmasters identity.

Was it confirmed that Chaos Dwarfs supply the Kruleboyz?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The terrain is also new and looks very... industrial. Gonna go out on a limb and say Chaos Dwarfs will tie in to this somehow.

Considering that the only mini previewed thus far is very clearly *not* any form of dwarf, chaotic or otherwise, I would say probably not?

It isn't spidergrots either like some people were theorizing.


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beast_gts wrote:
Was it confirmed that Chaos Dwarfs supply the Kruleboyz?

The Hobgrotz or whatever they're called specifically, not the faction as a whole.

Hm, might just have enough time to get the shadowstalkers painted to get all the current warbands done before these guys come out.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Considering that the only mini previewed thus far is very clearly *not* any form of dwarf, chaotic or otherwise, I would say probably not?

There was more previewed than the one mini.

I was hoping for grots, but these chaps seem okay. At the very least, some nice haemonculus conversions

I like this new guy. I wonder if it’s one of Malerion’s demon elves?

 Dysartes wrote:
Unfriendly neighbourhood Spiderman...

Exalted!

I'm getting more of a Tzeentchian vibe.

That's a big miss for me....definitely not an aesthetic I like.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Considering that the only mini previewed thus far is very clearly *not* any form of dwarf, chaotic or otherwise, I would say probably not?

There was more previewed than the one mini.

ooooo

ahhhhh

terrain

chaos dwarves confirmed

its meaningless. They only previewed the one mini.

chaos0xomega wrote:
its meaningless. They only previewed the one mini.

It's quite bold of you to claim the terrain in the video will not be part of the release.

It's not a bad guess for chaos dwarves. Warcry would be the ideal way to re-introduce them and gauge people's interest in them. And a lot of that terrain does seem quite industrial in its design.

Hmm, not really my thing.

The spider mask just doesn't make sense to me. Looks goofy and toy like. Same goes for spiders on his cape.

It's worth noting at the end of the article:

"We will be bringing you the full scoop on what’s on the way for Warcry later this month, including more on the Broodmaster, the rest of his Brood, and who they’ll be battling, so keep checking in on the Warhammer Community website."

That almost confirms it will be a new boxed set (which implies very heavily to me the terrain will be in there) with the "and who they'll be battling," part.

I think Chaos Dwarves are a good guess, but really pretty much anything is fair game at this point.

 Accolade wrote:
I like this new guy. I wonder if it’s one of Malerion’s demon elves?

Did not think about that...Umbraneth dark elves that follow the aesthetics of Rackham's Akkyshan Elves (Or Signum's Akkari Elves). I am a big fan of spider elves (throwback to the days of Drizzt Do'Urden et al) so this would be quite welcome.

The Hobgitz or Hobgrotz or whatever could be included...with perhaps their overseer/taskmaster? That terrain looks very, very Chaos Dwarf to me.

 Gallahad wrote:
Hmm, not really my thing.

The spider mask just doesn't make sense to me. Looks goofy and toy like. Same goes for spiders on his cape.

Spider "mask" is the severed head of a big, chaos warped spider.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Hmm, not really my thing.

The spider mask just doesn't make sense to me. Looks goofy and toy like. Same goes for spiders on his cape.

Spider "mask" is the severed head of a big, chaos warped spider.

Nah, it's plastic. It does look very halloweeny tho!

It's an ok model, I do wish they gave him tiny little arms to make it 8 instead of 6 limbs, right now he's an insectmaster.

Cronch wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Hmm, not really my thing.

The spider mask just doesn't make sense to me. Looks goofy and toy like. Same goes for spiders on his cape.

Spider "mask" is the severed head of a big, chaos warped spider.

Nah, it's plastic. It does look very halloweeny tho!

And your eyes are not deceiving you – that really is the severed head of a giant Chaos-warped spider he’s using as a mask.

Yes, the model's plastic.

Warcry has not yet recycled any old nostalgia pieces.
The best part of the game is it dont get stuck in same old concepts of "here comes the obvious Khorne gang" or "bloated green gang of pestilence" its just a bunch of everyday chaos gladiators everyone can relate to. So, I say nay to chaos dwarves gang.

Cronch wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Hmm, not really my thing.

The spider mask just doesn't make sense to me. Looks goofy and toy like. Same goes for spiders on his cape.

Spider "mask" is the severed head of a big, chaos warped spider.

Nah, it's plastic. It does look very halloweeny tho!

It's an ok model, I do wish they gave him tiny little arms to make it 8 instead of 6 limbs, right now he's an insectmaster.

Think exactly the same. A bit weird that he's 6 legged and not 8 legged. As you said, they should have out another pair of limbs, even if it was tiny ones.

Despite that, i think it's a cool model, though the swords are maybe a bit too eccentric


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 Sacredroach wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I like this new guy. I wonder if it’s one of Malerion’s demon elves?

Did not think about that...Umbraneth dark elves that follow the aesthetics of Rackham's Akkyshan Elves (Or Signum's Akkari Elves). I am a big fan of spider elves (throwback to the days of Drizzt Do'Urden et al) so this would be quite welcome.

The Hobgitz or Hobgrotz or whatever could be included...with perhaps their overseer/taskmaster? That terrain looks very, very Chaos Dwarf to me.

Id be down for some spider elves, but i doubt gw goes that way, since it would be too similar to dnd drows

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Unfriendly neighbourhood Spiderman...

So, so, so, so much nope.

I got an instant Jeepers Creepers vibe from it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
its meaningless. They only previewed the one mini.

It's quite bold of you to claim the terrain in the video will not be part of the release.

I didn't claim that. I simply claimed that the terrain being industrially themed is not indicative of this being a chaos dwarf release, as the one actual mini shown is most definitely not a chaos dwarf.

It's not a bad guess for chaos dwarves. Warcry would be the ideal way to re-introduce them and gauge people's interest in them. And a lot of that terrain does seem quite industrial in its design.

except the one mini shown is quite decisively not a dwarf.

 Sabotage! wrote:
It's worth noting at the end of the article:
"We will be bringing you the full scoop on what’s on the way for Warcry later this month, including more on the Broodmaster, the rest of his Brood, and who they’ll be battling, so keep checking in on the Warhammer Community website."
That almost confirms it will be a new boxed set (which implies very heavily to me the terrain will be in there) with the "and who they'll be battling," part.
I think Chaos Dwarves are a good guess, but really pretty much anything is fair game at this point.

Given that the previous teaser nursery rhyme it was said that the Varanguard were the ones who last fought the chaos spider worshippers and forced them down below the Varanspire, I think its likely that if this is a chaos v chaos box (which seems somewhat unlikely as the last big warcry box was not), that it will be chaos spiders v varanguard.

 Sacredroach wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I like this new guy. I wonder if it’s one of Malerion’s demon elves?

Did not think about that...Umbraneth dark elves that follow the aesthetics of Rackham's Akkyshan Elves (Or Signum's Akkari Elves). I am a big fan of spider elves (throwback to the days of Drizzt Do'Urden et al) so this would be quite welcome.

Definitely not Umbraneth Elves, as the spiders are more or less established to be chaos worshippers, what with talk about the "eightfold watcher" and the eight pointed swirled star icon on his belt which matches the icon on the doorway into the area below the Varanspire in the previous teaser, and talk about it being a chaos warped spider that the guy is wearing as a mask, etc. The most recent article describes a "daemonic menace" lurking in the wastes, which is no doubt a reference to the spiderfolk, etc.

The Hobgitz or Hobgrotz or whatever could be included...with perhaps their overseer/taskmaster? That terrain looks very, very Chaos Dwarf to me.

Hobgitz are already destruction though.

beast_gts wrote:
This New Warcry Fighter Loves Spiders So Much He Made One Into a Horrifying Mask

Spider theme...

Only six limbs

I am the sad.

Well I'm not sure what I was expecting but it definitely wasn't that. I dunno... a lot of stuff going on in that mini, I'll need to see it in person.

Yeah, seems like a big miss, unless the fluff is that the more limbs you have the more holy you are (ergo Broodmasters are 6-limbed, and then the Broodmother or whatever is 8-limbed).

It's a beautiful miniature. Very unique and fits well within the established lore of AoS. I like it. Maybe this will lead to a totally new playable faction of spider worshipers!

Are people really upset because it's spider themed and only has six appendages instead of 8? Seems like a pretty silly thing to get upset about...

chaos0xomega wrote:

It's not a bad guess for chaos dwarves. Warcry would be the ideal way to re-introduce them and gauge people's interest in them. And a lot of that terrain does seem quite industrial in its design.

except the one mini shown is quite decisively not a dwarf.

Bold of you to also claim the new starter will only have 1 faction.

Aren't most Warcry factions mixed-race?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Aren't most Warcry factions mixed-race?

If memory serves there's just a dwarf in Iron Golems, an elf in Splintered Fang and a dwarf and beastman in the Spire Tyrants.

Some sort of weird Ogor in the Iron Golems as well.

Fair enough. Maybe we get a Spider-Ogre.

I think that guy is a dark elf mutant. His swords all have that dark elfy feel to them, like a silly number of angled protrusions from the blade, and lanky black hair.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

It's not a bad guess for chaos dwarves. Warcry would be the ideal way to re-introduce them and gauge people's interest in them. And a lot of that terrain does seem quite industrial in its design.

except the one mini shown is quite decisively not a dwarf.

Bold of you to also claim the new starter will only have 1 faction.

Bold of you to post this when the same post that you quoted literally states:

Given that the previous teaser nursery rhyme it was said that the Varanguard were the ones who last fought the chaos spider worshippers and forced them down below the Varanspire, I think its likely that if this is a chaos v chaos box (which seems somewhat unlikely as the last big warcry box was not), that it will be chaos spiders v varanguard.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Bold of you to post this when the same post that you quoted literally states:

Bro all I said was the terrain looks like it has something to do with Chaos Dwarfs and you countered with some amazing leaps of logic, of which the most astounding must be that Faction B cannot be Chaos Dwarfs because the model from Faction A is not a Chaos Dwarf, although claiming that the terrain in the video was not part of the preview is also pretty up there (but the padding text on WarCom apparently is)

Your reading comprehension is just awful

Did someone say new terrain?

Its a nice enough mini (barring the load-bearing sash), but... eh. Spider baddies just don't do anything for me anymore. The fantasy genre has really beaten them into the ground, especially if they're potentially elf-adjacent.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Your reading comprehension is just awful

I was trying to illustrate yours. Unsurprisingly, the point went over your head, albeit I suspect logical thinking is a bigger issue than language here. As a reminder, my original statement.

The terrain is also new and looks very... industrial. Gonna go out on a limb and say Chaos Dwarfs will tie in to this somehow.

From this you concluded that I must be thinking that one of the warbands will be CD, and countered that it will not because the spider figure is not a CD.

"Itsy bitsy spider went up the water spout!"
"We teased an insect race, but this isn't them!"
"We also teased spider-grots, but we're not doing them either."
"So itsy bitsy spider got a very expensive new starter box!"

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Your reading comprehension is just awful

I was trying to illustrate yours. Unsurprisingly, the point went over your head, albeit I suspect logical thinking is a bigger issue than language here. As a reminder, my original statement.

The terrain is also new and looks very... industrial. Gonna go out on a limb and say Chaos Dwarfs will tie in to this somehow.

From this you concluded that I must be thinking that one of the warbands will be CD, and countered that it will not because the spider figure is not a CD.

Maybe its my fault for not being clear on the point, but the terrain in the box doesn't automatically point towards the inclusion of a specific faction. In this case theres nothing particularly chaos dwarven about the terrain being pictured, nor in the previously previewed artwork of it.

There was a point earlier about hobgrots already being destruction so not chaos. .

Without going back to reference it, but;
A. It could just be hobgrots like in old lore weren’t particularly Chaos, just the Chaos dwarfs anyway. More slaves and all that.
B. These dwarfs could also just be destruction anyway. They aren’t gonna be called Chaos Duardin either way. So Hashut or some other name sprinkled in possibly. Then they’re just following their god who isn’t necessarily Chaos any more..

Right Im a bit of a arachnid and all bug things related fan... but what?

Dark elf with a couple extra arms and dressed up? Sorry man but this does not cut it! It does not even look menacing at all specially with that goofy mask! NO!

Someone please bring back Dark age shadow cast.

Danny76 wrote:
There was a point earlier about hobgrots already being destruction so not chaos. .

Without going back to reference it, but;
A. It could just be hobgrots like in old lore weren’t particularly Chaos, just the Chaos dwarfs anyway. More slaves and all that.
B. These dwarfs could also just be destruction anyway. They aren’t gonna be called Chaos Duardin either way. So Hashut or some other name sprinkled in possibly. Then they’re just following their god who isn’t necessarily Chaos any more..

Good call. I could easily see them as Destruction dwarves following Kragnos, which fits pretty well into their bull-centaur thing.

Yeah, a new destruction race is much needed. Right now, its only Greenskins and ogres.

But, isnt destruction imply a hatred of civilization in aos lore? That would make chorfs hard to fit.

Conan Exiles has better spider cultists. Just saying.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Dark elf with a couple extra arms and dressed up? Sorry man but this does not cut it! It does not even look menacing at all specially with that goofy mask! NO!

About that, I agree on the lack of menace. However, Warcry warbands are all cosplayers to a greater or lesser extent. Being humans (with a few exceptions) that dress up to look the part is pretty fundamental to the game's aesthetics. You could do a lot with fully hybridized creatures, but I'm not sure that would still be identifiable as Warcry, Warhammer or GW. Never mind any doubts about GW's designers' ability to sculpt good hybrid creatures.

Edit: Also, 'Eavy Metal style is too clean and cartoony to look menacing. Properly painted you can probably get a good bit more out of that miniature.


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 streetsamurai wrote:
Yeah, a new destruction race is much needed. Right now, its only Greenskins and ogres.

But, isnt destruction imply a hatred of civilization in aos lore? That would make chorfs hard to fit.

Yeah, not sure why anyone would want Chaos Dwarfs that aren't Chaos in the first place, but they are as industrialized as it gets and that is in contradiction to what Destruction is supposed to be about.

It it’s a non Faction Rival than Harvest could also hint at

*Idoneth
*Soulblight
*Ossiarchs
*Sylvaneth

I think Red Harvest is just an edgy name, there's not a Red faction and a Harvest faction

Yeah, if I remember correctly the last preview teaser made it out like the spider dudes are the attackers, thus the harvesters. The unrevealed faction that narrated the teaser may not have any connection to the Red Harvest aside from than being the target of it.

In the tradition of the novel Red Harvest, the new boxed set will have two factions manipulated by a single person into fighting each other, whereupon the manipulator can easily finish off the now weakened survivors of both sides.

If you like noir, the novel is worth reading. If you've seen the movies Yojimbo or A Fistful of Dollars, you know the basics of the plot.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Right Im a bit of a arachnid and all bug things related fan... but what?

Dark elf with a couple extra arms and dressed up? Sorry man but this does not cut it! It does not even look menacing at all specially with that goofy mask! NO!

The yellow painted mask doesn't bring the model any benefits and make it looks like a witch doctor. Other than that, the model looks rather sinister to me. The warped torso and the marcid lower arms look 'good' as does the collar (this time nicely painted).

Not a perfect model, but it has potential.

Might make a fun Genestealer Cultist

I do agree that a simple shift of color on the mask could do wonders... anyone good with photoshop?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I do agree that a simple shift of color on the mask could do wonders... anyone good with photoshop?

I'm not, but when has that ever stopped anyone?

For lack of knowing what colors you'd go for I toned down the mask a bit to make it stand out less against the surrounding fleshy tones and darkened the sash while I was at it. I actually like yellow so I didn't feel the need to alter the highlights or base colors. I don't think yellow in itself is a problem, just how bright and happy it looks when painted by GW.

 Geifer wrote:
Conan Exiles has better spider cultists. Just saying.

As a fellow exile, I'm all about this quote!

@Geifer, thanks! Yeah, that looks a lot better.

New preview: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/25/grab-your-giant-sword-and-leather-belts-warcry-has-a-new-marauder-in-town/?force_isolation=true

Surprise! Shock! Its not Chaos Dwarves.

Article reads like they're going to be a stealth update of the old marauders.

So did GW forget that they called these guys Darkoath a while ago, or is this a new, totally distinct range of Conan-style Chaos folks wearing bird skulls/big pauldrons/leather straps

No, thats totally just a really tall Chaos Dwarf.
But yeah, I'm guessing this is them finally following through on the "Darkoath" aesthetic/concept.

About time honestly! I'm surprised GW kept the foot marauders around as long as they did for AoS after releasing all the much much better looking warbands for Warcry that - sort of fill the same slot.


Dark Oath I think was going to be a name change for Slaves to Darkness that at some stage just got shelved for reasons we'll likely never know. Heck it might be Dark Oath were going to be to Slaves what Primaris are to Marines. It was certainly birthed during those strange times.

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
So did GW forget that they called these guys Darkoath a while ago, or is this a new, totally distinct range of Conan-style Chaos folks wearing bird skulls/big pauldrons/leather straps

The Darkoath are a specific concept, from the lore we have. They're individuals who have committed all kinds of deeds and the like to get to the point of swearing oaths to Chaos.

Thousands of mortal tribes have bound their fates to the will of Chaos, and at the fore are the Darkoath Warqueens. These are souls who have committed all manner of atrocity to attract the favour of the Dark Gods. With a fierce animal charisma and the fires of ambition fueling their every move, they are deadly warriors all, but their true power is the favour of the Dark Gods, and their supernatural ability to unite the hordes of Chaos as one. Marakarr Blood-sky has proven herself the rightful leader of her barbarian tribespeople again and again, and they obey her without question.

This new model is a specific kind of individual again, distinctly called "Slaughterborn".

As if he couldn’t seem any more intimidating, he’s called a Slaughterborn.

Rather than decking themselves out in gaudy spider masks and fancy cloaks, the Slaughterborn knows that a solid weapon and the favour of the Ruinous Powers are all a person needs to win their place at the Everchosen’s side.
Their spartan equipment and penchant for leather straps hearkens back to the classic Chaos Marauders of old, but these aren’t your dad’s warp-crazed killers. Slaughterborn scream fell oaths into the heavens on the eve of battle, fighting for the blessings of their patrons with every step and stopping at nothing to prove their might on the battlefield.

Ah, an even more boring warband than the Spire Tyrants eh?

 MobileSuitRandom wrote:
So did GW forget that they called these guys Darkoath a while ago, or is this a new, totally distinct range of Conan-style Chaos folks wearing bird skulls/big pauldrons/leather straps

Reads more like a pointless teaser, same as not giving us the name of the spider cult. Or it could be like the Godsworn Hunt, where they follow the same design cues but don't get called Darkoath because there's no synergy between them and the Chieftain or Warqueen.

No matter, it's a great new sculpt and look forward to the rest of them. Kinda still want a brand new boxset for Marauders explicitly, but if this is a stealth update, it'll do.

Dude says "By my oath" but it's not a dark oath, it's more a lite oath.

Yeah another generic marauder faction was not my first guess.

Is that guy supposed to be the leader of a.new gang? Seems like it. As others have said, seems way too similar to the untamed beasts aesthetically

 streetsamurai wrote:
Is that guy supposed to be the leader of a.new gang? Seems like it. As others have said, seems way too similar to darkoath aesthetically

Yeah, bottom of the article calls him the leader

They could have at least revealed him before the cool, weird and different spider guy.

Yes, he's the leader of a new warband.

Darkoath aren't a warband in WarCry. I think you can take them as allies or champions of some type, but there is not a dedicated warband.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
They could have at least revealed him before the cool, weird and different spider guy.

Eh...they revealed a new concept first and then an "old school" concept. We still have to see the warbands proper.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, he's the leader of a new warband.

Darkoath aren't a warband in WarCry. I think you can take them as allies or champions of some type, but there is not a dedicated warband.

They have full Warcry stats and points in one of the Barnes and Noble boxed games tho.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, he's the leader of a new warband.

Darkoath aren't a warband in WarCry. I think you can take them as allies or champions of some type, but there is not a dedicated warband.

Sorry, i meant untamed beast.

And am i going crazy, or is there a warband that had some kind of beast master with a dog? Cant find it on the site

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, he's the leader of a new warband.

Darkoath aren't a warband in WarCry. I think you can take them as allies or champions of some type, but there is not a dedicated warband.

Sorry, i meant spire tyrants.

And am i going crazy, or is there a warband that had some kind of beast master with a dog? Cant find it on the site

Untamed Beasts has the dog/lion thing and a beast master.

Those are three very elven looking heads he's holding there. Khainite Shadowstalkers having a bad day? Or maybe a hint at more pointy eared factions?

So uh, how exactly are these new guys supposed to be diffrent from Untamed Beasts?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So uh, how exactly are these new guys supposed to be diffrent from Untamed Beasts?

Well the name will be different

No, yeah, the warband box for Untamed Beasts hasn't shown up on the Warcry section of the site for a very long time, you have to name search them

EDIT: In regards to the question at the bottom of the last page, should have quoted

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, he's the leader of a new warband.

Darkoath aren't a warband in WarCry. I think you can take them as allies or champions of some type, but there is not a dedicated warband.

Sorry, i meant spire tyrants.

And am i going crazy, or is there a warband that had some kind of beast master with a dog? Cant find it on the site

Untamed Beasts has the dog/lion thing and a beast master.

Weirdly enough, when i go to the warcry page and click on show all warbands, they dont appear. But managed to find them with a google search. Technical mistake on gw site i guess

Another question a bit off topic, iirc, there was 6 factions released originally, plus two in the new box. Which was the 9th faction (wave release i guess)?

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, he's the leader of a new warband.

Darkoath aren't a warband in WarCry. I think you can take them as allies or champions of some type, but there is not a dedicated warband.

Sorry, i meant spire tyrants.

And am i going crazy, or is there a warband that had some kind of beast master with a dog? Cant find it on the site

Untamed Beasts has the dog/lion thing and a beast master.

Weirdly enough, when i go to the warcry page and click on show all warbands, they dont appear. But managed to find them with a google search. Technical mistake on gw site i guess

Another question a bit off topic, iirc, there was 6 factions released originally, plus two in the new box. Which was the 9th faction (wave release i guess)?

The 9th would be the spider guys we saw one of last week, coming in a box with these new not-darkoath.

Edit - there were the 6 original, the Spire Tyrants, the dark elves vs fire chaos ones and now the 2 new ones I think.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Another question a bit off topic, iirc, there was 6 factions released originally, plus two in the new box. Which was the 9th faction (wave release i guess)?

Spire Tyrants dropped after the first six, in the same wave as the Ogroid Myrmidon, Fomoroid Crusher, and Mindstealer Sphiranx (I think?). We'd known about them (and the Scions of the Flame) since day one because of the promo art cards that came with the core box. Khainite Shadowstalkers are the 9th faction chronologically

I see GW is continuing their cunning plan to make me pay a fortune in Warcry warbands just so I can cherry pick models for my Marauders. The repeating sculpts are killing me.

Just realized why i thought this guy seemed familiar, his pose and overall look is very similar to the Darkoath Chieftan. Just without the axe, and with a slightly simpler sword.

Well lads, that guy leads the opposing warband in the box, and is holding a fist full of pointy eared heads. I think my original guess about this spider cult being dark elfy might be taking on some water.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So uh, how exactly are these new guys supposed to be diffrent from Untamed Beasts?

The Untamed beasts to my eye have a more bestial look. They are heavy on furs, light on shoes and are carrying weapons exclusively made from bone. From the one example we have the new band seems to be somewhere between the Untamed Beasts and the Spire Tyrants. I guess they are the (relatively)more normal of the bands in Red Harvest to contrast with the freaky spider worshipers.

Dread Master wrote:
Well lads, that guy leads the opposing warband in the box, and is holding a fist full of pointy eared heads. I think my original guess about this spider cult being dark elfy might be taking on some water.

I had wondered if the spider guys were perhaps a mutation of the Shadowstalkers, given that the varanite they are tasked with carrying is heavily corrupting.

Cool model. Some may call it boring, I say it looks classic. Always good to have more barbarian models like that.

Dread Master wrote:
Well lads, that guy leads the opposing warband in the box, and is holding a fist full of pointy eared heads. I think my original guess about this spider cult being dark elfy might be taking on some water.

Dark Elf Spider cult - hasn't that be done...somewhere.....hoping its a differrent race and Spiders and Goblins have a lot of history

 Mr Morden wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Well lads, that guy leads the opposing warband in the box, and is holding a fist full of pointy eared heads. I think my original guess about this spider cult being dark elfy might be taking on some water.

Dark Elf Spider cult - hasn't that be done...somewhere.....hoping its a differrent race and Spiders and Goblins have a lot of history

Yeah...many places. Starting I believe in 1978...

The thing I like most is his weapon size being in the realm of sanity. That open hand too, really good conversion part, that.

I'm just stunned its not Chaos Dwarves. Who could have thought it would be anything but chaos dwarves? The terrain! The terrain was *clearly* chaos dwarf terrain! Conspiracy!

But disappointed it’s Chaos vs Chaos. Was hoping a repeat of Catacombs with a Non-Stormcast Non Chaos warband

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm just stunned its not Chaos Dwarves. Who could have thought it would be anything but chaos dwarves? The terrain! The terrain was *clearly* chaos dwarf terrain! Conspiracy!

The scenery from Catacombs had nothing to do with the Shadowstalkers or the Scions of the Flame.
Scenery from WarCry had nothing to do with the Iron Golems or the Untamed Beasts.

There's still room for Chaos Dwarfs to be happening. I get that you think they might not be, but it's becoming a bit silly to keep this going.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm just stunned its not Chaos Dwarves. Who could have thought it would be anything but chaos dwarves? The terrain! The terrain was *clearly* chaos dwarf terrain! Conspiracy!

Man you surely dislike chaos dwarves?

Why are you investing so much into this? Like. You have nothing to win. But if they end up being chaos dwarves? You just make yourself look like a weirdo.

I never thought it'd be chaos dwarfs, every rumor pointed out to vampirates or Tomb Kings being ported over to AoS

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm just stunned its not Chaos Dwarves. Who could have thought it would be anything but chaos dwarves? The terrain! The terrain was *clearly* chaos dwarf terrain! Conspiracy!

The scenery from Catacombs had nothing to do with the Shadowstalkers or the Scions of the Flame.
Scenery from WarCry had nothing to do with the Iron Golems or the Untamed Beasts.

There's still room for Chaos Dwarfs to be happening. I get that you think they might not be, but it's becoming a bit silly to keep this going.

Im well aware, but its rare for me to be proven correct so shortly after a heated e-debate, usually it takes months by which time it would take too much effort to dig up the relevant thread to do my "I told you so"ing, so Im rubbing it in. Let me have my moment.

 Galas wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm just stunned its not Chaos Dwarves. Who could have thought it would be anything but chaos dwarves? The terrain! The terrain was *clearly* chaos dwarf terrain! Conspiracy!

Man you surely dislike chaos dwarves?

Why are you investing so much into this? Like. You have nothing to win. But if they end up being chaos dwarves? You just make yourself look like a weirdo.

Not at all, I own almost 10k pts of Legion of Azgorh. The point is that chaos dwarves are very clearly not involved in this set, yet certain people have gone around insisting that they would be sans any actual confirmation or any reasonable hint that was the case.

You've been doing an awful alot of patting yourself on the back for winning an argument that only existed in your own mind thanks to your poor reading comprehension and logical thinking, as I keep saying.

The only time I ever said I thought CD would get miniatures was today in response to the silhouettes in the teaser.

 Geifer wrote:
Cool model. Some may call it boring, I say it looks classic. Always good to have more barbarian models like that.

Same. Its an excellent model. The spider guy was all right, but this looks like a different design team was involved.

Voss wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Cool model. Some may call it boring, I say it looks classic. Always good to have more barbarian models like that.

Same. Its an excellent model. The spider guy was all right, but this looks like a different design team was involved.

I like this guy a lot too. Much better than spider guy.

I'm really hoping that the spire tyrants get an AOS release so I can grab a couple boxes.

Who cares about new barbarians.

Show us the new terrain!!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Who cares about new barbarians.

Show us the new terrain!!!

It's a pity OZ and Taiwan are so far away- I feel like we could have easily split the box (If the terrain ends up to your liking)

Red Harvest reveal - full game in the box previous versions not required. Same core rules.

Wow, GW hit a homerun for all those gamers wanting a burly women warband with the Darkoath Savagers. I mean, seriously, who didn’t want almost half their Darkoath to consist of burly, masculinized chicks???

Dread Master wrote:
Wow, GW hit a homerun for all those gamers wanting a burly women warband with the Darkoath Savagers. I mean, seriously, who didn’t want almost half their Darkoath to consist of burly, masculinized chicks???

It feels good to have your preferences cattered for once after decades of bikini babes, TBH. You are right.

Dread Master wrote:
Wow, GW hit a homerun for all those gamers wanting a burly women warband with the Darkoath Savagers. I mean, seriously, who didn’t want almost half their Darkoath to consist of burly, masculinized chicks???

I suppose when you're fighting for your life on a daily basis in a literal hellhole, you have to push the makeup and pushup bra to secondary importance.

But the entire set looks bloody incredible.

Who cares about all that.

Just look at the terrain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Who cares about all that.

Just look at the terrain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meh, looks like they just reused the same cad poses for sector mechanicus walkways and the ork oil rig and changed them slightly. Lazy GW.

By far, Warcry reveal was the best for me.

Terrain cover a Warcry board very well. And it's not often we have buildings of chaos industry.

Wonder about real modularity of the set, but everything in this box appeals to me. Glad we still have the chaos theme of Warcry here.

Still no new edition, which is good as well. Current rules are solid.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Who cares about all that.

Just look at the terrain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meh, looks like they just reused the same cad poses for sector mechanicus walkways and the ork oil rig and changed them slightly. Lazy GW.

Not really sure where you're pulling that from

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Who cares about all that.

Just look at the terrain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meh, looks like they just reused the same cad poses for sector mechanicus walkways and the ork oil rig and changed them slightly. Lazy GW.

Not really sure where you're pulling that from

I think I know where he pulled it from

This new Warcry box is the absolute highlight for me. It’s a good starter after the lacklustre Catacombs.

Huge swing and a miss for me. Half the Darkoath band look like female body builders juicing testosterone. If I get them I'll try to convert them to being males. Might be as easy as shaving down their breasts and adding bearded heads.

The design of the spider guys just flat out doesn't work. With the five spiderleg head mask motif just missing all the visual identifiers of spiders.

I hope that in some manifestation of cosmic justice GW get sued by the Robert e Howard estate or Marvel qqfor their blindingly obvious "not Conan" miniature.

Terrain has that stupid "modern (ish) tech in a fantasy setting" design I dislike so much going on

At least the male Darkoath are cool, and a simple headswap might save the not spider guys.

Set is awesome! Highlights for me : dope terrain! Darkoath Crone! Darkoath Conan! And the creepy spider dudes who are intriguingly anonymous!
Thing is though, no indication that we will see more Warcry. Will there be another year before we get anything else? Or is there more in store? Honestly, I would love to see a set with Varanguard that draws from the design aesthetics of the existing warbands to represent Ascended characters.

 Gallahad wrote:
Huge swing and a miss for me. Half the Darkoath band look like female body builders juicing testosterone. If I get them I'll try to convert them to being males. Might be as easy as shaving down their breasts and adding bearded heads.

The design of the spider guys just flat out doesn't work. With the five spiderleg head mask motif just missing all the visual identifiers of spiders.

I hope that in some manifestation of cosmic justice GW get sued by the Robert e Howard estate or Marvel qqfor their blindingly obvious "not Conan" miniature.

Terrain has that stupid "modern (ish) tech in a fantasy setting" design I dislike so much going on

At least the male Darkoath are cool, and a simple headswap might save the not spider guys.

Hard disagree. And considering Conan is public domain in the UK, good luck with that.

Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Happy that I don't bother to tune in for GW's presentations anymore, I think one of the past five or so have actually lived up to the hype.
The Darkoath, along with the Untamed Beasts are pretty much everything I've always wanted from the tribal, northern barbaric and shamanistic take on Chaos. Just bloody superb.

The homage to a certain genre defining barbarian feels a bit cheeky, but I can live with it. Again, super sculpt.

Then we've got the arachnid fanatics which are a hard pass for moi but that's ok, discount on the set when I get around to flogging them.

Terrain isn't particularly my cup of tea but it'll meld well with the Catacombs stuff which is the most important point for me.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hard disagree. And considering Conan is public domain in the UK, good luck with that.

That would only be of any consequence if they released it just in the UK.

That said, generic semi naked man is generic, so...

That terrain is probably the best part of the entire day's reveals.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Agreed - it works for their style and likely upbringing /mutations/blessings/varanite

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

Certainly not the way i expected this discussion to go.

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

...alright. Why?

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

Sorry, I read “two less burley chicks” as meaning you wanted the female minis to be less burley. Did you actually mean two fewer?

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

Yep, I totally agree with this take.

Anybody watch the actual stream? Was there any indication that more is in the pipeline for Warcry?

Dread Master wrote:
Anybody watch the actual stream? Was there any indication that more is in the pipeline for Warcry?

Nothing else revealed I'd say Red Harvest and Tome of Champions 2021 before Christmas and that's it for now. ToC will gather up the various campaigns and warband rules released this year. A Fools Trove even had number pages on the pdf (page 80)

Dread Master wrote:
Anybody watch the actual stream? Was there any indication that more is in the pipeline for Warcry?

No, this was the only thing mentioned.

 DaveC wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Anybody watch the actual stream? Was there any indication that more is in the pipeline for Warcry?

Nothing else revealed I'd say Red Harvest and Tome of Champions 2021 before Christmas and that's it for now.

Thanks a bunch to both who answered. Hard to gauge what level of support we’ll see going forward, then.

 Albertorius wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

...alright. Why?

Some people prefer fantasy where the dimorphic evolution of the sexes (as observed in the real world) is still a "law of nature" in force.

Some people prefer fantasy worlds unchained from evolution, physics etc.

If the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world the all male squad would wreck the mixed squad. There is a reason combat sports and strength sports don't have mixed divisions. Same thing for fencing. In a fantasy world only the dice can decide.

Again, some people prefer certain realities to hold in fantasy and others don't.

Necks and heads on some of the darkoath are very odd - long & ridged and squashed respectively. Mostly all right, but enough sculpting quirks to the faces, heads and necks that I'm not excited.

Spiders are forgettable, with...ugh, that name. Very 80s cartoon villains.

Terrain...eh. I don't get the obsession with vertical platforms.

Not particularly excited, overall. Probably let this one pass (though it does seem better than the last box)

 Gallahad wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

...alright. Why?

Some people prefer fantasy where the dimorphic evolution of the sexes (as observed in the real world) is still a "law of nature" in force.

Some people prefer fantasy worlds unchained from evolution, physics etc.

If the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world the all male squad would wreck the mixed squad. There is a reason combat sports and strength sports don't have mixed divisions. Same thing for fencing. In a fantasy world only the dice can decide.

Again, some people prefer certain realities to hold in fantasy and others don't.

Long winded way of saying "I don't want girls in my toys"

Yeah definitely too many females in that warband. I like the sculpts better than the males here though, which wasn't the case with the recent Stormcast stuff. Still kinda bizarre though.

Most of.these.darkoath.women have some weird ass neck and head

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Huge swing and a miss for me. Half the Darkoath band look like female body builders juicing testosterone. If I get them I'll try to convert them to being males. Might be as easy as shaving down their breasts and adding bearded heads.

The design of the spider guys just flat out doesn't work. With the five spiderleg head mask motif just missing all the visual identifiers of spiders.

I hope that in some manifestation of cosmic justice GW get sued by the Robert e Howard estate or Marvel qqfor their blindingly obvious "not Conan" miniature.

Terrain has that stupid "modern (ish) tech in a fantasy setting" design I dislike so much going on

At least the male Darkoath are cool, and a simple headswap might save the not spider guys.

Hard disagree. And considering Conan is public domain in the UK, good luck with that.

The COnan stories are public domain; the Conan IP for making stuff purposes is I think al owned by Funcom now.


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That said, the warcry stuff was also the highlight for me, even if the only part that interests me are (some) of the Darkoath models, and maybe one or two of the spider people.

I think the female models have somewhat weird proportions to them, but they might look better in person.

I very, very much want not-Conan, lol

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

...alright. Why?

Some people prefer fantasy where the dimorphic evolution of the sexes (as observed in the real world) is still a "law of nature" in force.

Some people prefer fantasy worlds unchained from evolution, physics etc.

If the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world the all male squad would wreck the mixed squad. There is a reason combat sports and strength sports don't have mixed divisions. Same thing for fencing. In a fantasy world only the dice can decide.

Again, some people prefer certain realities to hold in fantasy and others don't.

Long winded way of saying "I don't want girls in my toys"

Short winded way of saying you want to play with girl toys.

Two can play the asinine summary game.

 Gallahad wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

...alright. Why?

Some people prefer fantasy where the dimorphic evolution of the sexes (as observed in the real world) is still a "law of nature" in force.

Some people prefer fantasy worlds unchained from evolution, physics etc.

If the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world the all male squad would wreck the mixed squad. There is a reason combat sports and strength sports don't have mixed divisions. Same thing for fencing. In a fantasy world only the dice can decide.

Again, some people prefer certain realities to hold in fantasy and others don't.

Long winded way of saying "I don't want girls in my toys"

Short winded way of saying you want to play with girl toys.

Two can play the asinine summary game.

Indeed, but you're the only one playing "my full post is asinine" game.

You're whole little diatribe was just ... .such a sadly stereotypical neckbeard display....

Oh, and FYI, hit ignore on ya, as it's quite evident you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

 Gallahad wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

...alright. Why?

Some people prefer fantasy where the dimorphic evolution of the sexes (as observed in the real world) is still a "law of nature" in force.

Some people prefer fantasy worlds unchained from evolution, physics etc.

If the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world the all male squad would wreck the mixed squad. There is a reason combat sports and strength sports don't have mixed divisions. Same thing for fencing. In a fantasy world only the dice can decide.

Again, some people prefer certain realities to hold in fantasy and others don't.

Long winded way of saying "I don't want girls in my toys"

Short winded way of saying you want to play with girl toys.

Two can play the asinine summary game.

Damn straight. I love having a non-sausage fest in my games. At least i'm honest about it sunshine

 Gallahad wrote:
Some people prefer fantasy where the dimorphic evolution of the sexes (as observed in the real world) is still a "law of nature" in force.

Some people prefer fantasy worlds unchained from evolution, physics etc.

If the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world the all male squad would wreck the mixed squad. There is a reason combat sports and strength sports don't have mixed divisions. Same thing for fencing. In a fantasy world only the dice can decide.

Again, some people prefer certain realities to hold in fantasy and others don't.

Sexual dimorphism is funny, because as many times as not, the female of the species is bigger and tougher than the male. It's funny that someone could think it's a "law of nature" looking at... well, nature.

Also, "if the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world"... as presented, the darkoath females are exactly as buff and tough as the male and there are no "real world" darkoath, so... wouldn't change one bit?

Interesting concept, nonetheless.

Seems pretty evident that he was referring only to humans and not.other species

 streetsamurai wrote:
Seems pretty evident that he was referring only to humans and not.other species

And even between humans or other anthropoids, it's not a law set in stone. None of the humans I know are darkoath either

Well, maybe bodybuilders.

Pretty mixed bag.

The Darkoath hag is fantastic. The leader, shield guy and not-Conan are great. The axe and shield chick looks very nice too at that angle. But the other three female models seem to have freakishly small heads (seriously, it's like they did their hair at a headhunter beauty parlour or something), with bizarrely popped neck muscle volumes and those chest wraps look like they're made out of two inch thick industrial rubber.

The Spiders... I just don't think the head legs work. The two models that have spikes-and-web halos look fine tho, so maybe the kit can be salvaged.

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 Albertorius wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Seems pretty evident that he was referring only to humans and not.other species

And even between humans or other anthropoids, it's not a law set in stone. None of the humans I know are darkoath either

Well, maybe bodybuilders.

Yes it is. There's no race/ethnicity where male are not bigger and stronger in average than women. Sexual dimorphism doesnt means that a male will always be bigger than a female (or vice versa) but that in average they will be.

Darkoath weapon options - the Slaughterborn appears to have a great axe and not-conan has a flail

I'm taller than every woman I've ever met. That's thousands, a significant proportion of them probably wearing some sort of heel. And I'm not even freakishly tall. I think it's a pretty well documented phenomenon in humans. You can't really invalidate a law with a fringe exception and still be taken as genuine.

 Gallahad wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

...alright. Why?

Some people prefer fantasy where the dimorphic evolution of the sexes (as observed in the real world) is still a "law of nature" in force.

Some people prefer fantasy worlds unchained from evolution, physics etc.

If the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world the all male squad would wreck the mixed squad. There is a reason combat sports and strength sports don't have mixed divisions. Same thing for fencing. In a fantasy world only the dice can decide.

Again, some people prefer certain realities to hold in fantasy and others don't.

I thought this was pretty even handed, and well explained, and not particularly inflammatory on a topic that Is pretty trumped up. I think the only real point of contention here is that there is a point of contention, and not ideological conformity around the gender talking point.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Seems pretty evident that he was referring only to humans and not.other species

And even between humans or other anthropoids, it's not a law set in stone. None of the humans I know are darkoath either

Well, maybe bodybuilders.

Yes it is. There's no race/ethnicity where male are not bigger and stronger in average than women. Sexual dimorphism doesnt means that a male will always be bigger than a female (or vice versa) but that in average they will be

Yes, but not really. In most human ethnic groups the average difference is about 15%, but in some is as low as 8%, which given the individual differences, is meaningfunnly non-existent. And then you have outliers like pygmyes and the like, or precursos as authrolophitecus where there were no actual differences.

Anyways, as unlike Earth humans, darkoath live inside magical planes and we don't actually know anything about them other than what's presented... I feel like the point is moot. So far we know that rules wise the differences are non important.

JWBS wrote:
I'm taller than every woman I've ever met. That's thousands, a significant proportion of them probably wearing some sort of heel. And I'm not even freakishly tall. I think it's a pretty well documented phenomenon in humans. You can't really invalidate a law with a fringe exception and still be taken as genuine.

I’m interested to know how many of the women you’ve ever met were maniacal servants of dark gods who’d sold their souls in exchange for martial power?

JWBS wrote:
I'm taller than every woman I've ever met. That's thousands, a significant proportion of them probably wearing some sort of heel. And I'm not even freakishly tall. I think it's a pretty well documented phenomenon in humans. You can't really invalidate a law with a fringe exception and still be taken as genuine.

And did I do that?

For the record, I'm 1'8m tall miself, and I've known plenty women taller than me, even though its rarer than the other way around. I've also known plenty women that could kick my ass.

Dread Master wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

...alright. Why?

Some people prefer fantasy where the dimorphic evolution of the sexes (as observed in the real world) is still a "law of nature" in force.

Some people prefer fantasy worlds unchained from evolution, physics etc.

If the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world the all male squad would wreck the mixed squad. There is a reason combat sports and strength sports don't have mixed divisions. Same thing for fencing. In a fantasy world only the dice can decide.

Again, some people prefer certain realities to hold in fantasy and others don't.

I thought this was pretty even handed, and well explained, and not particularly inflammatory on a topic that Is pretty trumped up. I think the only real point of contention here is that there is a point of contention, and not ideological conformity around the gender talking point.

You can't claim to be be a proper 2019 guy though unless you're willing to try to extrapolate it into something that embarrasses all involved (and bystanders too).


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 Albertorius wrote:

JWBS wrote:
I'm taller than every woman I've ever met. That's thousands, a significant proportion of them probably wearing some sort of heel. And I'm not even freakishly tall. I think it's a pretty well documented phenomenon in humans. You can't really invalidate a law with a fringe exception and still be taken as genuine.

And did I do that?

Seemed pretty clear you were arguing against the proposition. If you weren't then really idk what's going on in this part of the thread

I'm buying multiple boxes for the terrain alone. That pumpjack is phenomenal.

JWBS wrote:
I'm taller than every woman I've ever met. That's thousands, a significant proportion of them probably wearing some sort of heel. And I'm not even freakishly tall. I think it's a pretty well documented phenomenon in humans. You can't really invalidate a law with a fringe exception and still be taken as genuine.

I'm 6'0" and I have easily met over a hundred women in my 32 years who stand taller than myself without heels.


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 Soundtheory wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Dread Master wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Two less burly chicks would have been ideal. Crone, Axe Chick and sword and shield chick are tolerable, but all are grotesque.

In my opinion, they are exactly as they should be. If you want to play Warcry with murderous, but sexy, lingerie models the game does have rules for Daughter of Khaine.

Comment was on warband composition, primarily, aesthetics secondarily. Never said I wanted my toy soldiers to be “sexy”. Not what I’m looking for in my dollies. I’d be perfectly content if the only female was the crone. The posing of the two females I mentioned is cool, the other two less so, all of them are repulsive,ie, they don’t have to be attractive. Not going to stop me from picking it up, but also not something I wanted in a Darkoath warband. Would have preferred composition that was more grounded, as that many females just means Darkoath must get their teeth handed to them a lot.

...alright. Why?

Some people prefer fantasy where the dimorphic evolution of the sexes (as observed in the real world) is still a "law of nature" in force.

Some people prefer fantasy worlds unchained from evolution, physics etc.

If the Darkoath warband as presented fought Darkoath that were 100% male in the real world the all male squad would wreck the mixed squad. There is a reason combat sports and strength sports don't have mixed divisions. Same thing for fencing. In a fantasy world only the dice can decide.

Again, some people prefer certain realities to hold in fantasy and others don't.

Long winded way of saying "I don't want girls in my toys"

Short winded way of saying you want to play with girl toys.

Two can play the asinine summary game.

Indeed, but you're the only one playing "my full post is asinine" game.

You're whole little diatribe was just ... .such a sadly stereotypical neckbeard display....

Oh, and FYI, hit ignore on ya, as it's quite evident you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

Amen.

JWBS wrote:
Seemed pretty clear you were arguing against the proposition. If you weren't then really idk what's going on in this part of the thread

I was specifically arguing against the fact that sexual dimorphism, specifically one where the male of the species is bigger and stronger than the female, is a "law of nature", because it's very much not.

It is a "law of nature" in the homo species, and then at about an average of 15%, which means that individual variance will usually be more important than that average.

 DaveC wrote:
Darkoath weapon options - the Slaughterborn appears to have a great axe and not-conan has a flail

Thanks for posting this! I'm always curious when they give otherwise mono-build models options

It is fantasy. Fantasy is supposed to be fun. HOWEVER fantasy CAN be stretched too far. I liek the idea of hyper muscled female warriors fighting alongside hyper muscled male warriors in a magically infused hellscape with multi armed mutants. That is fun. BUT as a designer I know that if EVERYONE is hyper muscled the actual effect is a reduction of the impact of strength in the setting in general. I think the dark oath could have massively benefitted from a more lithe female or two and maybe an obese or super lean male or two as well.

Galahad is correct though. put into a pit and told to fight to the death 9 times out of 10 the man will be the one climbing out when all is said and done. and 7 times out of 10 it won't be much more than a total slaughter. if you want examples they are easy to find. Strength and weight ARE both advantages unto themselves. if you put a heavy fighter in the ring with a lighter fighter the heavier guy will demolish the lighter guy 6 times out of 10 if there heavier guy is slightly less skilled than the lighter guy. If the heavier guy is equally as skilled he will win 8 times out of 10, if he is more skilled 10 out of 10. if you have never actually fought someone before it is very difficult to imagine what it is like to be hit with the intention to seriously injure. Much less to be hit that way repeatedly. Strength and weight are HUGE factors in the projection of force.

 Albertorius wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Seemed pretty clear you were arguing against the proposition. If you weren't then really idk what's going on in this part of the thread

I was specifically arguing against the fact that sexual dimorphism, specifically one where the male of the species is bigger and stronger than the female, is a "law of nature", because it's very much not.

It is a "law of nature" in the homo species, and then at about an average of 15%, which means that individual variance will usually be more important than that average.

I don't think anybody said this in this thread.

And no, there is a size difference between male and female pigmies

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms8672

But yes, at the end of the day, it's a fantasy setting, and they can do whatever they want. Doesn't means that.we have.to like it (and to be clear, im fairly indifferent to minis being male or female, as long as they are cool.and well sculpted. Unfortunately, i find the female minis in that warbamd to be pretty bad, bar the hag)

So uhhhh. Warcry... pretty excited for this release and Tome Of Champions 2021. The last Tome Of Champions is what made me fall in love with the game.

Hoping they can meet or exceed the last one.

hahahaha no kidding. Warcry is awesome and defintieyl has me hooked. Though as much as i liked several of the Dark Oath pieces the Brood pieces sort of let me down I was really hoping to see some spider worshipping dark elves.

Just to clarify ToC 2021 is an assumption based on prior years its not yet confirmed

 tre manor wrote:
hahahaha no kidding. Warcry is awesome and defintieyl has me hooked. Though as much as i liked several of the Dark Oath pieces the Brood pieces sort of let me down I was really hoping to see some spider worshipping dark elves.

Yeah, im a bit dissapointed in the spidermans. I don't hate them, but i was expecting to like them a lot more than i do. Maybe another paintjob would change.my.mind.

Quick question for the warcry players, is the game fun? Ive fast read the rules a long time ago, and they seems pretty bland.

 tre manor wrote:
It is fantasy. Fantasy is supposed to be fun. HOWEVER fantasy CAN be stretched too far. I liek the idea of hyper muscled female warriors fighting alongside hyper muscled male warriors in a magically infused hellscape with multi armed mutants. That is fun. BUT as a designer I know that if EVERYONE is hyper muscled the actual effect is a reduction of the impact of strength in the setting in general. I think the dark oath could have massively benefitted from a more lithe female or two and maybe an obese or super lean male or two as well.

Galahad is correct though. put into a pit and told to fight to the death 9 times out of 10 the man will be the one climbing out when all is said and done. and 7 times out of 10 it won't be much more than a total slaughter. if you want examples they are easy to find. Strength and weight ARE both advantages unto themselves. if you put a heavy fighter in the ring with a lighter fighter the heavier guy will demolish the lighter guy 6 times out of 10 if there heavier guy is slightly less skilled than the lighter guy. If the heavier guy is equally as skilled he will win 8 times out of 10, if he is more skilled 10 out of 10. if you have never actually fought someone before it is very difficult to imagine what it is like to be hit with the intention to seriously injure. Much less to be hit that way repeatedly. Strength and weight are HUGE factors in the projection of force.

Well said. And love your work man.

 tre manor wrote:
It is fantasy. Fantasy is supposed to be fun. HOWEVER fantasy CAN be stretched too far. I liek the idea of hyper muscled female warriors fighting alongside hyper muscled male warriors in a magically infused hellscape with multi armed mutants. That is fun. BUT as a designer I know that if EVERYONE is hyper muscled the actual effect is a reduction of the impact of strength in the setting in general. I think the dark oath could have massively benefitted from a more lithe female or two and maybe an obese or super lean male or two as well.

That’s a fair point, but you’re looking at a single faction. It’s really not the case that everyone in the setting is hyper muscled. Several of the other warbands feature much more lithe warriors, both male and female. If it was the case that every female Warcry miniature was a big strapping bodybuilder type, I’d also be bemoaning the lack of diversity, but it’s just not.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Quick question for the warcry players, is the game fun? Ive fast read the rules a long time ago, and they seems pretty bland.

The core rules are mechanically sound, but the peripherals are indeed a bit bland. It's a bit like Necromunda, but with all the fun of gear, experience, injuries and holdings stripped down into the most bare bones version possible.

chaos0xomega wrote:

JWBS wrote:
I'm taller than every woman I've ever met. That's thousands, a significant proportion of them probably wearing some sort of heel. And I'm not even freakishly tall. I think it's a pretty well documented phenomenon in humans. You can't really invalidate a law with a fringe exception and still be taken as genuine.

I'm 6'0" and I have easily met over a hundred women in my 32 years who stand taller than myself without heels.

I'm a bit over 6'1, but even so that seems like a lie tbh, quick google search says that only 1% of American women are 6+. Maybe you're a basketball coach or something idk, and perhaps you check their feet despite that it's a fairly mundane occourance for you (I only said 'probably in heels' because I know that many women do in fact wear heels, I don't often look tbh) Whatever, obviously doesn't matter, fact remains that this aspect of sexual dimorphism in humans isn't disputed.

Interesting aside, I just asked my buddy’s gf, who knows very little about wargaming at all, but loves fantasy and RP, what she thought of the female Darkoath, and her reaction was “Eeeew, those are women???” I was like, yeah, that was about my reaction too.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Quick question for the warcry players, is the game fun? Ive fast read the rules a long time ago, and they seems pretty bland.

The core rules are mechanically sound, but the peripherals are indeed a bit bland. It's a bit like Necromunda, but with all the fun of gear, experience, injuries and holdings stripped down into the most bare bones version possible.

Agreed. It’s a simpler game than Necromunda. Some people will regard that as a plus, others as a minus. I’d say the rules are tighter and it’s not as expensive to get started with. I think if you like the models, it’s worth buying a warband to tryout the game. If you don’t like the models, there’s not enough to the game to make you like it despite that.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Quick question for the warcry players, is the game fun? Ive fast read the rules a long time ago, and they seems pretty bland.

The core rules are mechanically sound, but the peripherals are indeed a bit bland. It's a bit like Necromunda, but with all the fun of gear, experience, injuries and holdings stripped down into the most bare bones version possible.

Yeah, that's was pretty much my impression. Not a game for me unfortunately

I was hoping it would be a way to replace the std chaos range, but the warbands are their own weird & terrible things.

Its not very good as its own game or as a tie in product, unfortunately.

JWBS wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

JWBS wrote:
I'm taller than every woman I've ever met. That's thousands, a significant proportion of them probably wearing some sort of heel. And I'm not even freakishly tall. I think it's a pretty well documented phenomenon in humans. You can't really invalidate a law with a fringe exception and still be taken as genuine.

I'm 6'0" and I have easily met over a hundred women in my 32 years who stand taller than myself without heels.

I'm a bit over 6'1, but even so that seems like a lie tbh, quick google search says that only 1% of American women are 6+. Maybe you're a basketball coach or something idk, and perhaps you check their feet despite that it's a fairly mundane occourance for you (I only said 'probably in heels' because I know that many women do in fact wear heels, I don't often look tbh) Whatever, obviously doesn't matter, fact remains that this aspect of sexual dimorphism in humans isn't disputed.

You’re totally right, but it just comes down to personal taste. Personally I don’t care how realistic it is. Warcry is the closest thing GW has to an old school sword and sorcery setting and, for that reason I love it. The fact that half a warband is made up of barbarian warrior women who are not overtly sexualised is part of the appeal.

So yes, trying to claim Warcry is realistic is a bit of a stretch. Not liking it because it’s not realistic is just personal taste.

Like the terrain. Not a fan of either warband. At least the spider gangers are different. [Just different. Execution is ho-hum.] Tired of the barbarian leather fetishist look. The box is likely too expensive to buy just for the terrain.

Is this another $200-$230 usd item?

I hope not man. But it probably will be.

With all the terrain, id be really surprised if its under 200$

Lol @ people who have a problem with muscular chicks.

Great looking warbands, and some very nice terrain to boot. That shaman in particular, really like her. Like the other spider guys more than the leader. I do wish the poses were a bit less dynamic as it feels like they are getting too exaggerated, but I think they will look better in person. It all makes me really want a new marauders kit!

Excited to see the rules content.

I don't think anyone is trying to say your fetish is wrong, they're just indicating a lack of interest, your mockery seems misplaced here.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Lol @ people who have a problem with muscular chicks.

Great looking warbands, and some very nice terrain to boot. That shaman in particular, really like her. Like the other spider guys more than the leader. I do wish the poses were a bit less dynamic as it feels like they are getting too exaggerated, but I think they will look better in person. It all makes me really want a new marauders kit!

Excited to see the rules content.

I always think GW’s miniatures look better in person. Mainly because I hate both the Eavy Metal painting style and the way they photograph them.

I completely agree about the poses. I’m always pleasantly surprised when I see a GW mini that’s in a good, neutral pose.

I want my non-Red Sonja.

Conan't the Barbarian't and Shaved Wolverine are neat too.


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Darkoath are all similar as much as all Catachan are similar buffed Rambos and Ramboettes, every Imperial, being Fantasy or 40K looking lanky, every greenskin, every saurus, every so on and so on. They give me some consistency.

Now, some cases I just gave are about asexual organisms, but then how about Tau and High Elves? they all look pretty much about the same with and without the armor, yet they have heterogametic sexes.

In my eyes, they just look like a consistent faction, with that hag shaman looking different enough to think of her as the special character.

Also I love me some woman who can kick my ass.

Dread Master wrote:
Interesting aside, I just asked my buddy’s gf, who knows very little about wargaming at all, but loves fantasy and RP, what she thought of the female Darkoath, and her reaction was “Eeeew, those are women???” I was like, yeah, that was about my reaction too.

Maybe she loves the overused to death stereo of women being beyong beautiful in fantasy and RP.

Photos for the photo god!

I like them... so... has it been said that ALL darkoath women are super buff muscel heads? I mean do the ladies here represent their entire culture? Or is it possible these are just a group of like minded ladies that are in to fitness and thus bonded over shared interests?

While on average the males may be larger than females, exceptions occur even in real life. While you may not have a whole town of women that are larger then the males, you can certainly find 8 that are... the fact that the 8 have come together doesnt seem too far-fetched.

In real life I am 5'10... not super short, but not tall either. I have known a fair number of women taller than me, but the vast majority have not been... I have had a fairly good location mix... In the US I have lived in Maryland, California, Texas and Louisiana. I also have lived in Venezuela and Indonesia. I have personally never met a female body builder but they certainly aren't rare.

I think the minis are cool. Not sure i will buy the set... as everytime i get excited for a big box set, it either isnt available for me to buy, or the price... but I do like the minis in this. Maybe someone who buys it wont and I can get them on e-bay later on.

I like the axe and shield lady, and the crone.. never seen an older woman who wasn't a vampire or an undead mummy or banshee..

The price is rumoured to be $210 by someone on Reddit that got a brief look at the holiday guide. I can't find a $210 price on the US site for comparison $199 is £125 (Black Templars) so $210 is probably around £130.

The only fig that intrigues me is Momoa Conan... Momoanan?



Edit: Corrected for spelling.

 warboss wrote:
The only fig that intrigues me is Mamoa Conan... Mamonan?

Spoiler:

I dunno, he looks more like Not Important to me.

 DaveC wrote:
The price is rumoured to be $210 by someone on Reddit that got a brief look at the holiday guide. I can't find a $210 price on the US site for comparison $199 is £125 (Black Templars) so $210 is probably around £130.

So 175€ probably? Infinitely better than Catacombs for sure.

Great terrain, meh spider band, terrible darkoath band.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
The price is rumoured to be $210 by someone on Reddit that got a brief look at the holiday guide. I can't find a $210 price on the US site for comparison $199 is £125 (Black Templars) so $210 is probably around £130.

So 175€ probably? Infinitely better than Catacombs for sure.

Great terrain, meh spider band, terrible darkoath band.

They've been adjusting the Euro prices a bit $199/£125 is €155 so $210 might be €160/€165

 warboss wrote:
The only fig that intrigues me is Mamoa Conan... Mamonan?

Spoiler:

IMHO he doesn't really look like Jason Momoa (proper spelling of his last name) in large part to the choice of skin tone choices used by the painter. However it does look like most of the artwork (especially book covers) depicting Conan.

 Ghaz wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The only fig that intrigues me is Momoa Conan... Momoanan?

Spoiler:

IMHO he doesn't really look like Jason Momoa (proper spelling of his last name) in large part to the choice of skin tone choices used by the painter. However it does look like most of the artwork (especially book covers) depicting Conan.

Thanks and corrected. I was more referring to the fig than the paint job but i think the paint is close enough to be an homage similar to the Infinity McConaughey (had to look up that one!) fig. I didn't mean to imply it was an exact perfect likeness though. Ymmv.

Since the second starter, did GW release any warbands?

Like, we got the shadow elves and fire men, but wasn't that it? Doesn't bode well in my opinion for future releases.

 warboss wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The only fig that intrigues me is Momoa Conan... Momoanan?

Spoiler:

IMHO he doesn't really look like Jason Momoa (proper spelling of his last name) in large part to the choice of skin tone choices used by the painter. However it does look like most of the artwork (especially book covers) depicting Conan.

Thanks and corrected. I was more referring to the fig than the paint job but i think the paint is close enough to be an homage similar to the Infinity McConaughey (had to look up that one!) fig. I didn't mean to imply it was an exact perfect likeness though. Ymmv.

Spoiler:

It would more likely be an homage to the aforementioned artwork than the 2011 box office bomb.

JFC. Misogynist troglodytes seem to again be rampaging unchecked. We already had this discussion when it turned out the revamped Stormcast had some women too. These people make me embarrassed to be part of this hobby.

I think the assumption that any criticism is just "misogyny" is equally as embarrassing.

I mean... these aren't good minis. They just aren't.

Ah what do I care. I just want the terrain.

I think I figured out what the issue with the females is. And no, I don't mean the muscles. I think they took male faces, and just...stretched them vertically. No, I don't care about female meatheads being prettier than the male equivalent, but I'd like them to have skull shape similar to their male equivalent if that makes sense...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the assumption that any criticism is just "misogyny" is equally as embarrassing.

I mean... these aren't good minis. They just aren't.

Ah what do I care. I just want the terrain.

Criticism most definitely was not limited to the quality of the sculpts, it was about the subject matter. And the same thing happened with female Stormcasts.

Those are some EXTREMELY ugly models.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the assumption that any criticism is just "misogyny" is equally as embarrassing.

I mean... these aren't good minis. They just aren't.

I disagree, the models are very good, it's the faces on both that are jacked up. I'm hoping it's the painting as the spear wielder's face especially looks awful, but it's also got a lot of weird black warpaint obscuring it. Both of them are excellent barbarian chicks, especially with some headswaps from the plastic Shieldmaidens kit from Shield Wolf

Dread Master wrote:
Interesting aside, I just asked my buddy’s gf, who knows very little about wargaming at all, but loves fantasy and RP, what she thought of the female Darkoath, and her reaction was “Eeeew, those are women???” I was like, yeah, that was about my reaction too.

Maybe they aren't women. They kinda look like someone just slapped padded tops onto male models.

It's like some people haven't seen beefy farm girls before.

The spider cultists look cute (especially if they can be converted to add some guns), and I agree with HMBC that the star of the box is the mining terrain.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the assumption that any criticism is just "misogyny" is equally as embarrassing.

I mean... these aren't good minis. They just aren't.

They are up to the shoulders. And then the sculptor's technical skill apparently ran out.
Which has been a long running problem when it comes specifically to female faces (and only female faces) and wargames.

More importantly, what’s this set going to cost

Apparently 210 usd.


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I really hope there is more Warcry on the horizon. I would love to see it expand out of the Eightpoints and give us an opportunity to see what warbands across the realms could look like.

JWBS wrote:
I don't think anyone is trying to say your fetish is wrong, they're just indicating a lack of interest, your mockery seems misplaced here.

Yet you fell right into it; the models aren't supposed to be attractive and evaluating them on those grounds while being oblivious to the double-standard applied is exactly what I am mocking.


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Voss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the assumption that any criticism is just "misogyny" is equally as embarrassing.

I mean... these aren't good minis. They just aren't.

They are up to the shoulders. And then the sculptor's technical skill apparently ran out.
Which has been a long running problem when it comes specifically to female faces (and only female faces) and wargames.

I think it is worth withholding judgement on the faces because the studio paint job has seriously screwed up decent face sculpts before. A lot. If they actually look like that though I agree.

Dread Master wrote:
Apparently 210 usd.


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I really hope there is more Warcry on the horizon. I would love to see it expand out of the Eightpoints and give us an opportunity to see what warbands across the realms could look like.

Well, that was fun yet stupid optimism on my part. I really don’t need anything beyond my skaven anyway.

Dunno, I'd personally consider them ugly women, about as much as some female bodybuilders I've seen, both in the internet and in real life, back when I was going to a gym.

They also look like they'd use me as a toothpick, so I think they're good enough.


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Voss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the assumption that any criticism is just "misogyny" is equally as embarrassing.

I mean... these aren't good minis. They just aren't.

They are up to the shoulders. And then the sculptor's technical skill apparently ran out.
Which has been a long running problem when it comes specifically to female faces (and only female faces) and wargames.

That might have to do with the fact that most sculptors really don't have many experience sculpting females, specifically anything other than "regular" pretty ones.

I guess the female Darkoath aren't unfixable. Not sure if they're worth the effort, but then again, GW doesn't exactly have many suitable stand-ins in the current range.

To be fair it's just GW painting their faces like gak again, because they couldn't paint a female face to save their life's

Besides being badly sculpted there's also the issue of being another generic marauder reboot nobody needed. Bad concept and bad execution makes for an all around fail. Spider guys are at least interesting but would benefit from losing the goofy masks.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Besides being badly sculpted there's also the issue of being another generic marauder reboot nobody needed. Bad concept and bad execution makes for an all around fail. Spider guys are at least interesting but would benefit from losing the goofy masks.

Dunno, I'm not really fond of Chaos drow.

I don't dislike the idea of female models. Actually I love them. I'm here waiting for GW to give me a proper female ogre tyrant model that is imposing and fearsome.

But those barbarian chicks are... the heads. Why? Why are they koopas out of the mario bros movie?
The witch is excellent.

 Galas wrote:
I don't dislike the idea of female models. Actually I love them. I'm here waiting for GW to give me a proper female ogre tyrant model that is imposing and fearsome.

But those barbarian chicks are... the heads. Why? Why are they koopas out of the mario bros movie?
The witch is excellent.

Because GW can't paint female faces to save their life. Just look at the Sisters of Battle range. They literally gave some a 5 'o clock shadow.

No no, I know GW doesn't know how to paint female faces (or faces in general) and make perfectly fine heads into abominations.

But this is not a problem of the face but of the heads juts being way too small, and having tiny wasp waists that make no sense for burly barbarian women.

 Galas wrote:
No no, I know GW doesn't know how to paint female faces (or faces in general) and make perfectly fine heads into abominations.

But this is not a problem of the face but of the heads juts being way too small, and having tiny wasp waists that make no sense for burly barbarian women.

To be fair, if they didn't have wasp waists, would anyone be able to tell they're women with the way GW paints women?

They don't have wasp waists, they have bloated upper torsos. That gives the impression that the midsection is more narrow than it should be.

The face of the mini with the black facepaint looks especially small because of that facepaint.
I don't think the face on that mini is amazing by any means but a better paint job would bump it up from terrible to fine.
The leader of the Harrowdeep Stormcast has been much maligned but with a better paint job it's fine.
(Not my painting)

 Galas wrote:
No no, I know GW doesn't know how to paint female faces (or faces in general) and make perfectly fine heads into abominations.

But this is not a problem of the face but of the heads juts being way too small, and having tiny wasp waists that make no sense for burly barbarian women.

I don't think there is an anatomical problem in principle. Even a buff girl would have a comparably narrow waist because muscles there don't add much width. Not starved fashion model thin, but not massively bulked out either. As His Master's Voice points out, this is exaggerated by arm poses that require the back muscles that extend over the sides to flare out and add to the width of the upper body, thereby creating the impression that the waist is narrower than it really is. You'll find that this also works in favor of people arguing that they look like dudes since the buffed up waist creates less of a contrast with the hips, another area which only builds up moderate bulk through workout, leading into massively bulked out legs. This has a way of closing the gap between (idealized) male and female silhouette and at least if you scale them down to miniature size, it's not that easy to tell the difference anymore.

It's really quite cool when you think about it, the models looking too feminine and not feminine enough at the same time.

As for the heads, they're kind of realistically sized. If you expect the Games Workshop trademark of overly exaggerated heads and see these new models, it's easy to call out pinhead syndrome. But seeing as how GW has scaled head size back over the years (at least partially anyway), combined with releasing more female models that are sculpted to look smaller than their male counterparts to help get the feminine appearance across, I don't find the new Darkoath unrealistic. It's mostly that GW still has a lot of exaggeration in their sculpts. The style is still firmly super buff dudes with humongous weapons. Introducing less exaggerated parts into the mix that have traditionally not been as small, especially prominent ones like heads that naturally draw the look to them, has a way of looking wrong when it's technically the other way around.

Bwahahahahaha. Is this sculptor being paid by the disappointment? I'm surprised the people who are into that sort of thing are defending this, I would have thought they'd be the most let down by the terrible job they did making muscular women.

Clearly they have been mutated by chaos... Especially the one on the left.

 warboss wrote:
Clearly they have been mutated by chaos... Especially the one on the left.

I think she just bit into a lemon.

 frankelee wrote:
Bwahahahahaha. Is this sculptor being paid by the disappointment? I'm surprised the people who are into that sort of thing are defending this, I would have thought they'd be the most let down by the terrible job they did making muscular women.

Up to the neck, they look to be reasonable sculpts - I'll reserve judgement on the heads until someone else has had hold of them, but the head/necks do look odd in these pictures.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Clearly they have been mutated by chaos... Especially the one on the left.

I think she just bit into a lemon.

The bag of lemons must be hanging from a tree to build up and stretch her neck like criminals do when training pitbulls for illegal dogfights.

The shoulders on several of the female models are just too wide. Seriously. Any debate over hyper muscled or realistically muscled aside those shoulders are too wide. I have NO PROBLEM with muscular warrior women. Seriously. In fact I now feel morally compelled to make a set of barbarian females JUST to prove it can be done well. No offense intended toward the artists who worked on this set. I understand what they were going for and they were also working within the GW aesthetic which as it's own rules that must be followed in order to maintain the " Warhammer " look. But I just don't think worked out well for these female models.

IMHO: the only thing looking really off is the really long neck of the woman to the left - or actually her right shoulder joint not working properly... When raising your arm above your head the shoulder muscle ought to contact with (and cover) the ear - and on this mini it doesent even reach the cheek. Easy fix though.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Besides being badly sculpted there's also the issue of being another generic marauder reboot nobody needed. Bad concept and bad execution makes for an all around fail. Spider guys are at least interesting but would benefit from losing the goofy masks.

We did need a generic marauder reboot--that's what we've been missing. The other warbands all have specific themes, something that is just plain tribesmen was absolutely a hole in the range. The current marauder kit is basically a joke at this point, these provide something of a replacement.

 solkan wrote:
It's like some people haven't seen beefy farm girls before.

Most of us don't raise crops in Pripyat.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The current marauder kit is basically a joke at this point...

Yeah?

Coz I don't see nobody laughin'.



But yeah, the idea that nobody needed models for the regular northern barbarians that have had a presence in Warhammer for decades is questionable.

Preorder next week they didn’t waste any time getting it out

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/31/sunday-preview-time-to-reap-the-red-harvest/

A release this fast to me sound like something went wrong with another product and they had to fill the gap.

Only one day since they showed Red Harvest off and they haven't talked about those 40k books before either as far as I remember right?

 Matrindur wrote:
A release this fast to me sound like something went wrong with another product and they had to fill the gap.

Only one day since they showed Red Harvest off and they haven't talked about those 40k books before either as far as I remember right?

Yeah I think GW's entire release schedule has not so much been disrupted by recent global events, as its been smashed into pieces.

Glad Red Harvest is right around the corner. Didn’t notice a preorder promise for it though. Hope it’s not a return to form for GW here.

I don't suppose we have solid info on whether it has a full rulebook or not?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I don't suppose we have solid info on whether it has a full rulebook or not?

And when the time comes to expand your experience, you can further explore the Bloodwind Spoil with the Warcry Core Book, and other expansions.

Not in the box no.

I'm not going to say that's odd because when it comes down to it we all know GW gonna GW, but the box really has everything else. A board, terrain, two warbands, unit cards, dice, tokens, a measuring stick... it only lacks the core rule book to make it a normal GW starter set. Something that GW has been doing basically for forever, and that they are a still doing for other games. I really don't get what GW's marketing strategy for Warcry is supposed to. be. It's almost like they're aiming to sell us an almost good game with an almost complete.box. I won't be surprised if we learn tomorrow that the price of the box is almost tolerable.

I was all excited about more WarCry, but then I got far more excited at the prospect of Tre sculpting up a new batch of buff warrior women.

They'll probably end up significantly nicer looking and significantly more reasonably priced too!

(Coming from someone who happened to like both warbands this time around, but I'm a pretty easy to please guy, so what do I know?)

 Matrindur wrote:
A release this fast to me sound like something went wrong with another product and they had to fill the gap.

If I remember correctly, Warcry: Catacombs was also announced for pre-order the day after full reveal.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I was all excited about more WarCry, but then I got far more excited at the prospect of Tre sculpting up a new batch of buff warrior women.

They'll probably end up significantly nicer looking and significantly more reasonably priced too!

(Coming from someone who happened to like both warbands this time around, but I'm a pretty easy to please guy, so what do I know?)

I though Tre was quitting sculpting because of health issues- did that change?

So Blood Axes will get their supplement at last.
When was that FW book with the firts 3 clans released?
2008?

I just hope it will not be like the nids stuff
we got in the last book.

One can hope.

Also looted wagon(s) getting back
is good news, but why only in crusade armies?

I believe that a pair of looted rhinos is not what will
break the game balance at this point...



Still, nice to have these back.

mortar_crew wrote:
So Blood Axes will get their DLC at last.

FIFY.

mortar_crew wrote:
I believe that a pair of looted rhinos is not what will
break the game balance at this point...

They will still be tougher than Carnifexes though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:
So Blood Axes will get their DLC at last.

FIFY.

mortar_crew wrote:
I believe that a pair of looted rhinos is not what will
break the game balance at this point...

They will still be tougher than Carnifexes though.

Indeed...

THanks Highlord.

I can no longer sculpt in scale by hand as my eyes have gone too weak to focus up close. I have to work digitally. I was very seriously unsure i coudl do it as I have been trying to get my head around it for years without any real progress, but here lately I have achieved preferable results. I am nto sure how I will market what I make but I am sure I will market something new somehow int eh coming months.

Red Harvest Price £130, €160

There is no equivalent on the UK site for conversion but the rumoured $210 looks correct.

 tre manor wrote:
THanks Highlord.

I can no longer sculpt in scale by hand as my eyes have gone too weak to focus up close. I have to work digitally. I was very seriously unsure i coudl do it as I have been trying to get my head around it for years without any real progress, but here lately I have achieved preferable results. I am nto sure how I will market what I make but I am sure I will market something new somehow int eh coming months.

That's fantastic!!

 tre manor wrote:
THanks Highlord.
I am nto sure how I will market what I make but I am sure I will market something new somehow int eh coming months.

Really look forward to seeing your new binary sculpted doodads Tre!

 tre manor wrote:
THanks Highlord.

I can no longer sculpt in scale by hand as my eyes have gone too weak to focus up close. I have to work digitally. I was very seriously unsure i coudl do it as I have been trying to get my head around it for years without any real progress, but here lately I have achieved preferable results. I am nto sure how I will market what I make but I am sure I will market something new somehow int eh coming months.

If you make the >STL files available, I'll be in for sure.

 tre manor wrote:
THanks Highlord.

I can no longer sculpt in scale by hand as my eyes have gone too weak to focus up close. I have to work digitally. I was very seriously unsure i coudl do it as I have been trying to get my head around it for years without any real progress, but here lately I have achieved preferable results. I am nto sure how I will market what I make but I am sure I will market something new somehow int eh coming months.

What about a Patreon subscription for the .stl files?

Red Harvest unboxed

Pre order promise and Core rules are in the RH rule book.

Alongside all of these models, you’ll also get a 104-page Warcry: Red Harvest rulebook. Contained within its covers are lots of pages of juicy background about the setting and the warbands in the box, as well as a slew of rules for quests and campaigns. You’ll also find the Core Rules, meaning this box is the perfect place for new players to jump into the brutal world of Warcry, as well as a brilliant expansion for existing fans.

That seems to be quite a large amonut of weapons on those sprues, huh

All unique sculpts and at least some weapon options, huh. And some mongo pictured the same terrain sprue twice and left out the one for the vertical conveyor tower with the chute.

Those female barbarians would make cool goliath conversions