So... This all has me scratching my head, wondering if GW actually know what they are doing.
This new "Starter set" doesnt include any Battleplan cards. And the Battleplan cards included in the rulebook are incomplete, giving you only half off them.
But yet, the new Warcry Novel released alongside this "starter set" includes an exclusive battleplan card.
I know GW dont normally seem to be the brightest bulbs in the box of self promotion, but this seems pretty dumb, even for them.
I just want to know what the hell GW are thinking. They claim to want the turnover from the young crowd that uses mommys money to buy something efore moving on, ignoring the die hards. But everything that is going on with this round of Warcry releases feels like a cash grab. But before they can put their hand in your pockets, they decided to pull the trigger on the gun in their own pocket to shoot their own foot.
I love Warcry a lot and think its one of the better things they have done in quite sometime, but its not that good to tolerate the sort of nonsense that was a hallmark of the Kirby years.
These new grand alliance books and the catacomb rules are going to need to be damned good in order to validate this silliness.
Ancestral Hamster wrote: Using today's Euro to USD conversion rate, the Catacombs starter is $188.541, an Euro 47.50 warband is $55.97, and the Euro 55 warband is $64.8124. My earlier post about pricing was optimistic; while I knew it would not go down, I did not expect an increase on a comparatively young game, especially when discretionary spending is down for most people. That's a good way to boost a competitor's business.
Edit: Assuming that GW rounds to the nearest 5, Catacombs will be $190, Euro 47.50 warband will be $55, and the Kharadron warband will be $65.
For future use forget exchange ratios of banks. GW has it\s own and it's not even consistent within themselves. Proper way to find out how much something is in other value is find comparable. So for $ price of 47.5€ you would need to find another item on same price and compare. Real exchange ratios are useless except making yourself feel even worse.
Hellfury wrote: So... This all has me scratching my head, wondering if GW actually know what they are doing.
This new "Starter set" doesnt include any Battleplan cards. And the Battleplan cards included in the rulebook are incomplete, giving you only half off them.
But yet, the new Warcry Novel released alongside this "starter set" includes an exclusive battleplan card.
Fair bet is that the Catacombs rulebook(the second book in the Catacombs box) also includes Battleplans as part of it. Hell, it's possible that the actual box will get a set of battleplan cards as a 'preorder' bonus too. The novel is likely to be done the same as Beastgrave's special card was, a sealed bit inside of the book itself.
I know GW dont normally seem to be the brightest bulbs in the box of self promotion, but this seems pretty dumb, even for them.
I just want to know what the hell GW are thinking. They claim to want the turnover from the young crowd that uses mommys money to buy something efore moving on, ignoring the die hards. But everything that is going on with this round of Warcry releases feels like a cash grab. But before they can put their hand in your pockets, they decided to pull the trigger on the gun in their own pocket to shoot their own foot.
I'd love to know where they've ever made this claim. This is one of those oft-repeated things that I don't think I have ever actually seen a cite of a firsthand source.
I love Warcry a lot and think its one of the better things they have done in quite sometime, but its not that good to tolerate the sort of nonsense that was a hallmark of the Kirby years.
These new grand alliance books and the catacomb rules are going to need to be damned good in order to validate this silliness.
If this was the Kirby years, the game would already be dead and they'd be scrambling to release a printing of just the rules.
They have, effectively, set price brackets where they put items in. It has some variances within accounting for currency shifts but it encompasses some older stuff as well as new.
Okay, thanks.
After seeing the US prices as listed at the Game Kastle link ... Too rich for my blood. Kind of like the Khainites, but if the warband box for them is more than $50 US (and seeing the prices for the warbands in this wave makes me assume they will be more than $50 US), it's eBay. If that fails, I can live without them, and without GW.
tneva82 wrote: For future use forget exchange ratios of banks. GW has it\s own and it's not even consistent within themselves. Proper way to find out how much something is in other value is find comparable. So for $ price of 47.5€ you would need to find another item on same price and compare. Real exchange ratios are useless except making yourself feel even worse.
Actually they stick to exchange rate from a few years back (when pound was worth 2 usd, before succession of 4 increasingly dumb and incompetent UK pm's caused it to fall to 1.3 where it barely clung somehow though with incoming double cliff dive it will likely fall further). I can understand not wanting to revise your whole exchange rate because for a while it looked like the whole BS will be cancelled and the pound will shoot back up leaving GW forced to drastically revise prices but by now they should have gotten the memo it's not going to happen and accepted reality...
Just as I feared. The addition of old terrain into Catacombs does nothing except jack up the price and it's not even enough to play non-Catacombs. The original set was great value and this is horrible. Catacombs tries to do two things at once and fails on at least one of them. I was looking forward to buy Catacombs because dungeon terrain and new Warbands look fun to paint but now I am having second thoughts. Just like I had with Mega-Gargant.
I would have preferred Catacombs to focus on Catacombs at 100-ish eur price tag and old terrain to be released as Ravaged Lands set, maybe even including Sigmar's head terrain piece that isn't currently available outside Mortal Realms magazine.
privateer4hire wrote: People who won’t buy this new set due to price probably don’t even have servants’ quarters in their summer manor houses.
oh how dreadful that would be tn allow the servants to dwell amongst us as if they were people too. We simply could not allow such a thing to occur. What would the Rothsbergers think of us if such an ghastly scenario like that to happen? Perish the thought!
Ouch, was looking at picking up the starter set because Catacombs sounds fun and I like the Scions. At 210 it’s a hard pass. Pretty strange considering how much less content there is in this starter versus the previous. I still have plenty of campaigns to play through from the tome of champions and core rule book, as well as 4 Chaos bands to paint.
Oh well, I guess Relicblade gets more of my money come the KS pledge manager in November.
So this new set is more expensive than the already ludicrous Mega-Gargant price (which are $160 euros). That will put the box at around the AUD$330-350 mark.
Actually, in a number of Japanese castles, the servants' quarters were a separate building. This was in case the daimyo (lord) needed to kill all of them at once. They'd be locked in and the building set on fire. The servants then had the choice of dying in the flames or running out to be slain by the cordon force of samurai.
privateer4hire wrote: People who won’t buy this new set due to price probably don’t even have servants’ quarters in their summer manor houses.
oh how dreadful that would be tn allow the servants to dwell amongst us as if they were people too. We simply could not allow such a thing to occur. What would the Rothsbergers think of us if such an ghastly scenario like that to happen? Perish the thought!
GW's cardboard and card are more expensive than plastic nowaday. Stick to pen, paper, cheap terrain and AoS warbands for a way better gameplay and affordable experience.
But GW is our friend now, Kirby is gone and they have good social media team!
Seems like 2020 made them either go into full panic mode hoarding before the inevitable collapse of no-deal or they believe their own hype and think the market will bear whatever they demand.
I was originally planning to get two so I could have a solid force of flamey dudes and a double dungeon. At that price I can justify one, and only because I will be buying at a discount. Methinks GW is getting full some themselves again.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I was originally planning to get two so I could have a solid force of flamey dudes and a double dungeon. At that price I can justify one, and only because I will be buying at a discount. Methinks GW is getting full some themselves again.
gw is afraid of a no deal brexit, better to make as much money now then later on.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I was originally planning to get two so I could have a solid force of flamey dudes and a double dungeon. At that price I can justify one, and only because I will be buying at a discount. Methinks GW is getting full some themselves again.
gw is afraid of a no deal brexit, better to make as much money now then later on.
So, have they been preparing for a no-deal Brexit for the entire last decade, or is that only an excuse we can start applying for overpriced products released in the last year or two?
Cronch wrote: Seems like 2020 made them either go into full panic mode hoarding before the inevitable collapse of no-deal or they believe their own hype and think the market will bear whatever they demand.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I was originally planning to get two so I could have a solid force of flamey dudes and a double dungeon. At that price I can justify one, and only because I will be buying at a discount. Methinks GW is getting full some themselves again.
GW just made "smoke launchers" a strat in 40K. Means they're now far more limited in how often they can use them, and the smoke's starting to clear.
Seems like 2020 made them either go into full panic mode hoarding before the inevitable collapse of no-deal or they believe their own hype and think the market will bear whatever they demand.
They've been increasing price for the past 2-3 years, and their stock and profit ended up doubling and hitting record every year, so really no reason for them not to raise the price.
Also really apparent that there're a large number of buyers who'd gladly accept the price hike because they always get "20% off" from their store.
And big combo box are getting less and less content, kit are also minimized to the smallest sprue size and count possible to save cost.
The only affordable way to play GW stuff nowaday is joining a group that split these "big" combo box or be an ebay seller and sell every thing that you don't need.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I was originally planning to get two so I could have a solid force of flamey dudes and a double dungeon. At that price I can justify one, and only because I will be buying at a discount. Methinks GW is getting full some themselves again.
gw is afraid of a no deal brexit, better to make as much money now then later on.
So, have they been preparing for a no-deal Brexit for the entire last decade, or is that only an excuse we can start applying for overpriced products released in the last year or two?
he now, i never said that it made sense, GW is overpriced and recently has gone out of the way to even hike the prices for models during a pandemic...
Still the shake up to supply WILL be massive so GW will attempt to make as much buck as possible in the short time span that is still possible.
If you agree with their hiked prices for that or not is entirely your subjective regard.
My personal opinion is, shame for the flameyboys, i'd have liked them for conversion, but at that pricepoint it's a hard pass.
I love Dakka economists. Yes, I'm as price sensitive as all of you, but still, the absolute conviction and confidence you all have in your proclamations about GW pricing structure and its relation to worldwide macro economics and politics is always amusing. I must also add that I, a fellow Dakkonomist, have noticed the continued massive profits and increased stock value of GW seems to correlate strongly with a sustained period of adding, relatively speaking, affordable products across all of their lines, presumably aimed at tempting potential consumers with good "value" offerings.
Cronch wrote: But GW is our friend now, Kirby is gone and they have good social media team!
Seems like 2020 made them either go into full panic mode hoarding before the inevitable collapse of no-deal or they believe their own hype and think the market will bear whatever they demand.
Uuh no. This is just their normal price increases with new SKU they have been doing for years. It's steady continuation of their strategy. If people have bought the nu-GW hype it's their fault.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I was originally planning to get two so I could have a solid force of flamey dudes and a double dungeon. At that price I can justify one, and only because I will be buying at a discount. Methinks GW is getting full some themselves again.
gw is afraid of a no deal brexit, better to make as much money now then later on.
WOW! GW should take part in lottery since they have known no deal brexit would happen years before referendum was even suggested...Amazing.
sarcasm aside tneva, if you have not the capability to understand what supply chains are why are you bothering to answer?
Yes gw's pricing is ridicoulus, shareholders however have an expectation of rising earnings and if you don't do that via expanding the custommer base then you focus on whale hunting as it is coined in the gaming industry (mobile one and also regular videogaming one).
However the factor of the recent no deal development will be an issue is in conjunction with demand for higher return and earnings from the shareholders. That is why we now have the even for GW standard overprced box here. Because GW will have higher costs due to the supply line issues that allready alot of companies are afraid off, on top of tariffs etc.
NinthMusketeer wrote: I suppose it is worth noting that the price listed is not the price many of us actually pay, but still.
On the one hand, that's correct. On the other hand, if MSRP increases, so does discounted price, so you still end up paying more even if you get a discount.
Additionally, GW undersupplies these things (regardless of whether it's a working sales strategy or their stuff is just that popular). There's been a good few people that bought Indomitus via GW because they didn't want to miss out and there was a real risk of that, and this is the norm for many other releases. I think GW these days is actually quite adept at getting a larger number of people to pay full price than they once did.
I mean I know what you wrote before so I'm kind of preaching to the converted here, but I see no reason to sugarcoat the price hikes that have reached spectacular dimensions since early 2019. GW is very boldly trying to get a lot more money out of its customers than they did with earlier price hikes.
Not Online!!! wrote: sarcasm aside tneva, if you have not the capability to understand what supply chains are why are you bothering to answer?
Yes gw's pricing is ridicoulus, shareholders however have an expectation of rising earnings and if you don't do that via expanding the custommer base then you focus on whale hunting as it is coined in the gaming industry (mobile one and also regular videogaming one).
However the factor of the recent no deal development will be an issue is in conjunction with demand for higher return and earnings from the shareholders. That is why we now have the even for GW standard overprced box here. Because GW will have higher costs due to the supply line issues that allready alot of companies are afraid off, on top of tariffs etc.
Which doesn't change the fact GW prices have been going steadily up well before anybody even spoke of even referendum. If you claim recent price hikes are due to brexit then you are claiming GW was actually planning to STOP PRICE INCREASES in 2020...Stop increases that have been working like charm(just check their profits...). Yeah right. Provide the evidence.
...If you claim it then WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE? Put your money where your mouth is and all that. You make claim GW was planning to stop their decades old strategy of price hikes but brexit made them change plans...Provide the evidence.
Until you can do that only logical conclusion is the price hikes are part of their 100% normal strategy they have been following for DECADES. Brexit price hikes are coming later when effect actually kicks in. ATM there's zero effect.
GW prices keep going up all the time. Price for box year 2018 was higher than in 2017 which was higher than in 2016 that was higher than in 2015 that was higher than 2014 and so on and so on. New SKU, price goes up compared to previous comparable SKU's.
This has been for over decade. No change whatsoever.
Uuh no. This is just their normal price increases with new SKU they have been doing for years.
Except not really. Until this year the prices for AoS products were mostly comparable to previous years except for some outliers like the KoS. This year they just slapped significantly higher prices on everything. LRL all are priced like Witch elves whereas even year before you had a box of 20 skellyboys for that price. There were overall price rises, but they applied to most products in each category. Now you just have new kits being 10-30% more expensive than comparable releases only few months prior, which is new.
Not Online!!! wrote: sarcasm aside tneva, if you have not the capability to understand what supply chains are why are you bothering to answer?
Yes gw's pricing is ridicoulus, shareholders however have an expectation of rising earnings and if you don't do that via expanding the custommer base then you focus on whale hunting as it is coined in the gaming industry (mobile one and also regular videogaming one).
However the factor of the recent no deal development will be an issue is in conjunction with demand for higher return and earnings from the shareholders. That is why we now have the even for GW standard overprced box here. Because GW will have higher costs due to the supply line issues that allready alot of companies are afraid off, on top of tariffs etc.
Which doesn't change the fact GW prices have been going steadily up well before anybody even spoke of even referendum. If you claim recent price hikes are due to brexit then you are claiming GW was actually planning to STOP PRICE INCREASES in 2020...Stop increases that have been working like charm(just check their profits...). Yeah right. Provide the evidence.
...If you claim it then WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE? Put your money where your mouth is and all that. You make claim GW was planning to stop their decades old strategy of price hikes but brexit made them change plans...Provide the evidence.
Until you can do that only logical conclusion is the price hikes are part of their 100% normal strategy they have been following for DECADES. Brexit price hikes are coming later when effect actually kicks in. ATM there's zero effect.
GW prices keep going up all the time. Price for box year 2018 was higher than in 2017 which was higher than in 2016 that was higher than in 2015 that was higher than 2014 and so on and so on. New SKU, price goes up compared to previous comparable SKU's.
This has been for over decade. No change whatsoever.
Dude, the feth are you talking about, i said the momentary situation offers even more incentive to hike prices. I have never argued they'd lower them or even stop increases.
First of all, always compare MSRP and discounted or second hand prices
I can get "old stock" stuff from GW or other companies sometimes for 70% off because stores want to get rid of it before the new things hit the shelf
but just because one can get it new for 30% MSRP does not make the MSRP cheaper in the end
other point is, GW is a friend of Brexit as EU Free Market is a problem for their made up conversion rates and they cannot prevent people from buying in Britain for much less than on the continent
(They try to prevent people from buying directly from GW by adding "shipping" costs that will kill of all the saving)
So GW might think they earn more profit from Brexit it with fixed EU prices and people willing to pay whatever is needed
yet people buy because they can get their 20% off UK MSRP with good conversion rate, so high prices might backfire in 2021
Huh. Didn't realize the elf boss was a woman (because: elf, and because every tell was obscured), and also... is her 'cloak' forming out of the jewel attached to the rod in her left hand, or is that just a weird 'GW join,' and the layout of the sprue just required a connection there?
Voss wrote: Huh. Didn't realize the elf boss was a woman (because: elf, and because every tell was obscured), and also... is her 'cloak' forming out of the jewel attached to the rod in her left hand, or is that just a weird 'GW join,' and the layout of the sprue just required a connection there?
The whole of the warband is female.
The fluff is that these are somehow 'bonded' to shadow daemons and some can actually turn themselves into pure shadow or wield it as a weapon. Looks like that's what they're showing here.
Voss wrote: Huh. Didn't realize the elf boss was a woman (because: elf, and because every tell was obscured), and also... is her 'cloak' forming out of the jewel attached to the rod in her left hand, or is that just a weird 'GW join,' and the layout of the sprue just required a connection there?
The whole of the warband is female.
The fluff is that these are somehow 'bonded' to shadow daemons and some can actually turn themselves into pure shadow or wield it as a weapon. Looks like that's what they're showing here.
Are they all female? I'm pretty sure a few are male (like the ones with more defined abs, ie, magic firehand, ponytail crossbow dude, etc). I know Morathi prefers women over men, but the tenebrael shard was a guy and even the Daughters of Khaine have the Doomfire Warlocks.
99.9% sure they're all female. We'll need the 360 views to be sure, but the ones you're saying are male seem to have the same cloth-strip across their breasts as the others do.
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Tenebrael Shard was male, but also Shadowkin--a distinctively different faction which are Malerion's.
Lots of spoilers on the r/warcry subbreddit right now.
Long story short, the grand alliance books offer some significant changes and additions. Legions of nagash, for example, has a big list. Thralls include fell bats, bat swarms, direwolves.
I hate that they'll be 4 different books, but I'm loving the expansion of Warcry into a full AoS skirmish game, which it should have been from the start. Completely skipped the game initially, Chaos vs Chaos and ONLY Chaos vs Chaos was a crap design choice. Didn't even look at Warcry for many months until I found out most factions finally had a cardpack to make them playable, but the balance is kinda off for the non-Chaos warbands from everything I hear. Haven't been able to actually play it due to lockdown, but I now have terrain and cards and minis painted and ready to go. Hoping everyone gets a workover and rebalance for these books, even if it means the cards are no longer good
Daughters of Khaine are more or less GW's take on Drow from DnD. So they are a female led faction with males as basically an underclass. Morathi digs this in further by basically cursing them (without the aleves knowing) so that the males are born generally less physically capable.
So far the only males in DoK are warlocks who are skilled in battle (they are basically mage skirmishers), but who are also rare. One or two of that band might well be male warlocks. Morathi also gives the rare warlocks a blessing which is basically a rune that, if they start to get any ideas of superiority toward Morathi or her control; she kills them with it.
Of the party the one with crossbows and casting a spell could be warlocks on foot. Favouring magic and ranged attacks over close combat.
From memory, when they showed the alternate builds back in the initial preview, the two presumed male fighters share the same loadouts, either dual crossbows or magic and dagger, so they're pretty much guaranteed to be the foot slogging equivalent of the Doomfire Warlocks. The rest are all definitely women.
Albino Squirrel wrote: Those look a lot more like the shadow elves from Warhammer Quest Silver Tower than any of the Daughters of Khaine stuff.
They look like the Tenebrael Shard, but the Tenebrael Shard is outright called Shadowkin. The Mistweaver Saih never really got the same faction association.
Tim the Biovore wrote: From memory, when they showed the alternate builds back in the initial preview, the two presumed male fighters share the same loadouts, either dual crossbows or magic and dagger, so they're pretty much guaranteed to be the foot slogging equivalent of the Doomfire Warlocks. The rest are all definitely women.
Art seems to point towards all female:
Spoiler:
We'll see either way on Saturday with the 360 views.
Lose wise Khinerai and Melusai are also "secret" elements of the armed forces. Basically if its not a witch aelf chances are you're not supposed to know about it
I suspect the spru count is the same between this set and the original, but a bunch of doorways doesn't compare to the terrain and monsters in the original. Was looking forward to this, but at $210 USD, this is a pass. Will browse Ebay for the warbands, but not paying retail or discount retail for this. With the Darkest Dungeon KS just going live at $150 USD for the game, I know where my money is going.
Overread wrote: Lose wise Khinerai and Melusai are also "secret" elements of the armed forces. Basically if its not a witch aelf chances are you're not supposed to know about it
Morathi is just a powerful elf who is pleased to be the oracle of Khaine and leads a cult that may be a bit fanatical but is ultimately comprised just of Khaine worshipping elves who are just elves and especially not anything other than normal elves, just like Morathi.
Overread wrote: Lose wise Khinerai and Melusai are also "secret" elements of the armed forces. Basically if its not a witch aelf chances are you're not supposed to know about it
Morathi is just a powerful elf who is pleased to be the oracle of Khaine and leads a cult that may be a bit fanatical but is ultimately comprised just of Khaine worshipping elves who are just elves and especially not anything other than normal elves, just like Morathi.
Nice - I imagine this being sent to concerned citizens in many Azyrite cities by the authorities.
Its notable that they have become a part of the Azyrite society. Clever girl.....
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Hellfury wrote: Lots of spoilers on the r/warcry subbreddit right now.
Long story short, the grand alliance books offer some significant changes and additions. Legions of nagash, for example, has a big list. Thralls include fell bats, bat swarms, direwolves.
GaroRobe wrote: Screw megagargants. When are they gonna release the model of whatever left that massive skull?
And why haven't the Bonelords claimed it for their tithe?
Their advance stalled after Archaeon returned and stabbed Katakros in the chest.
It should be noted that Katakross didn't lose that fight, its simply a very advanced form of strategic victory beyond the comprehension of mortals to understand.
Oooh, you got me all excited now. Weird that it'd be 9 of them though, and that two aren't the scions of flame or shadowkin. (Though the former was introduced in the first "season.") Rampant speculation, but two symbols have blood drops. Maybe that Soulblight warband we keep getting teased by the rumor engine? Also, could the scorpion be linked to that chained spiky leg/tail rumor pic?
You know, its weird they haven't released a skaven as one of the models in any warband. We got chaos duardin, aelves, beastmen, and ogors. But not a single skaven, despite them being chaos followers now. Ooh, but I'd happily trade a skaven for a chaos troggoth model
Oooh, you got me all excited now. Weird that it'd be 9 of them though, and that two aren't the scions of flame or shadowkin. (Though the former was introduced in the first "season.") Rampant speculation, but two symbols have blood drops. Maybe that Soulblight warband we keep getting teased by the rumor engine? Also, could the scorpion be linked to that chained spiky leg/tail rumor pic?
You know, its weird they haven't released a skaven as one of the models in any warband. We got chaos duardin, aelves, beastmen, and ogors. But not a single skaven, despite them being chaos followers now. Ooh, but I'd happily trade a skaven for a chaos troggoth model
Bottom right - Skaven good-great Symbol-mark shown - All praise-worship the Horned Rat
Dungeon fighting preview, 1/2" range for push into the pit is a bit short you'd want to have really messed up to leave a fighter 1/2" from a pit unless here is counter attack or other reason to do it. The rules could carryover to normal games for bit more variety.
There are also additional abilities that your warbands will have access to, enabling them to interact with the dungeon environment. There are three universal abilities that can be utilised by any warband, and another three that are unique to certain factions, such as the Corvus Cabal.
Sprue pics - interesting that the Shadowstalkers are on the more standard sized double sprue and the Scions are on the smaller triple sprue like the other Warcry warbands as they have probably been done for awhile. I count 7 spears on the Shadowstalker sprue and multiple knives way more than needed so this sprue is definitely designed with AoS in mind.
and sides 3 and 4 of the board pack the squares are square in these images (someone messed up the preview image)
That almost looks like the kit builds either a spear troop or a blade troop. I wonder if the rules they've previewed aren't all the rules for AoS and that there might be two unit types.
Another thought is that the spears might be there for bulking up the unit. Ergo you can build the unit with all the "specialist" forms once and then add more "basic" units to the group for an AoS main game force.
Either way looks very interesting!
Edit - further looking and I think the extra spears are for the slaughtershade variation and at least one of the shadowblades. It also appears that the warlocks have two different repeaters and spell casting hands so they can swap bodies.
Also the card confirms that two of the group are warlocks (males)
I'm assuming warlocks are male. Given that warlocks tend to be male by most definitions (and DoK already having witches and sorceresses), warlocks being the only dedicated male unit the DoK have, and just the look of the model.
Thank you! I cant wait for the scions of the flame to come out as an independent warband; I find myself not very interested in the elves, and I have moaned enough about how much I dislike (almost) all the new terrain
Why, with inflation and brexit I thought it would be twice as much! What a bargain!
Cheers Games Workshop!
...sorry guys, just tired of complaining every day about GW's prices, getting the same outcome and instead thought I would try reverse psychology for a change.
Even at a discounted £100-ish here in the UK the box content doesn't look very enticing, especially when compared to the previous starter set.
The original starter was £100 direct from GW and looks a bit better from a terrain perspective.
As I'd missed out (tabletop gaming hiatus!) I was really intrigued by the announcement of Catacombs but a sparser looking board and higher price point has nullified any excitement I had for the product.
This price creep GW has been doing is getting kind of absurd. When did it start? Blood of the Phoenix comes to mind, but things like the SoB box were also $200. Now we have this box set, mega-gargants, etc that are all more expensive, despite not really providing more than cheaper, pre existing kits.
Heck, I was browsing the Lumineth Highlords, and those hammer elves are $60 for 5 regular models. And the new nightgoblin champion on foot is fething $30, when he should only be 15-25.
I hope a lack of sales on products would convince GW to consider halting the price creep. Or at least providing enough content that it'd be worth the price.
Wow cursed darts is an insanely good double to have on almost all fighters.
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GaroRobe wrote: This price creep GW has been doing is getting kind of absurd. When did it start? Blood of the Phoenix comes to mind, but things like the SoB box were also $200. Now we have this box set, mega-gargants, etc that are all more expensive, despite not really providing more than cheaper, pre existing kits.
Heck, I was browsing the Lumineth Highlords, and those hammer elves are $60 for 5 regular models. And the new nightgoblin champion on foot is fething $30, when he should only be 15-25.
I hope a lack of sales on products would convince GW to consider halting the price creep. Or at least providing enough content that it'd be worth the price.
It did last time, but then the rule & community support was much worse. We'll see I guess.
Will GW interpret lower sales on their prices going too high or will they interpret it as lower sales due to Corona pressure (a short term - one hopes - situation).
Anyone have an opinion on the new warbands rules wise?
Fire dudes seem on the high end of Chaos warbands, a bit one dimensional but solid.
Elves have a great tactical toolbox but it won't make up for the extremely high cost for the stats and 1 base damage, I thought GW learned from DoK that they can't just give Elves goblin stats for twice the cost, up the crit damage a bit and call it a day.
Shadowstalkers depend greatly on their unit limits and points costs. That said right now they look like a neat elite unit ideally designed to threaten any part of your opponents army or table that is vulnerable.
Objective held by a weak force or ignored - shadowleap
Archers/artillery without a guard - shadowleap
Mage on their own - shadowleap
Supporting witch aelves - shadowleap
That they can do it over and over again gives them a lot of versatility on the table and they'll be a unit opponents will fear perhaps more so for their ability to be anywhere than their raw ability to kill things.
Heck even armies like Ossiarchs might hate them since they could shadowleap right into their deployment zone and tangle up units early in the game; slowing them down considerably.
Fire dudes seem on the high end of Chaos warbands, a bit one dimensional but solid.
Elves have a great tactical toolbox but it won't make up for the extremely high cost for the stats and 1 base damage, I thought GW learned from DoK that they can't just give Elves goblin stats for twice the cost, up the crit damage a bit and call it a day.
Both of these warbands have their essence in the abilities rather than the stats. The stats are a bit meh with 4" flails being the only real notable thing on the shadowstalkers end. But dam those ability cards are hot. They have widely useful options on doubles, triples, and quads giving them some serious tactical options. Overall the shadowstalkers seem to me a glass cannon finesse band so will likely have a bit of a harder skill curve, whereas flamey bois are a melee force making up for a lack of mobility with ranged power that is rare for Chaos.
So is the circle complete? GW is back to where they started? I thought Mr Roundtree didn't do Kirbynomics.
Back to Kirbynomics again. Less product and pay more. So GW is back to targeting only a select few again. So no longer smoke and mirrors now eh? Smoke seems to be long gone now. Just the mirrors are left.
I did get the first box set, and it was what, $200 Canadian for it. Now it is $50 more and less content? The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Time to get into a new hobby now maybe. For the price GW is asking, maybe it's time to get a 3d printer. After all, I don't game anymore, just collect, and paint. After all there are great looking minis out there to buy and then print them out.
It does seem like they're capitalizing on the corona excuse mixed with Brexit to really jack up the prices across the board for a lot of the games they give. The mega bommer and some of the AA platforms for AI are just as bad.
Interesting that the two warbands are on such different sprues (3 small v 2 large). Were they originally planned to be sold in different ways? Or perhaps the Khainites are how they will organize non-Chaos Warcry bands from now on, I guess the future will tell.
NinthMusketeer wrote: "We double the prices, and half the amount of models! That way, each model is worth twice as much to the customer, and everyone wins."
Davor wrote: Back to Kirbynomics again. Less product and pay more. So GW is back to targeting only a select few again. So no longer smoke and mirrors now eh? Smoke seems to be long gone now. Just the mirrors are left.
But they have a Facebook page! And put up funny comics on their website!!!
Grimskul wrote: It does seem like they're capitalizing on the corona excuse mixed with Brexit to really jack up the prices across the board for a lot of the games they give. The mega bommer and some of the AA platforms for AI are just as bad.
Where have they excused price rises with Covid and Brexit? Are you not just conflating (and adding to) the usual forum ramblings with official GW press/communications?
JWBS wrote: Where have they excused price rises with Covid and Brexit? Are you not just conflating (and adding to) the usual forum ramblings with official GW press/communications?
Where do they excuse price increasing? It's a miracle when they even talk about prices, let alone the direction they're going.
Grimskul wrote: It does seem like they're capitalizing on the corona excuse mixed with Brexit to really jack up the prices across the board for a lot of the games they give. The mega bommer and some of the AA platforms for AI are just as bad.
Where have they excused price rises with Covid and Brexit? Are you not just conflating (and adding to) the usual forum ramblings with official GW press/communications?
Yeah GW doesn't need to explain itself when their water carriers invent excuses for them.
and sides 3 and 4 of the board pack the squares are square in these images (someone messed up the preview image)
I was really on the fence about this release, but I love the dungeon seeing and I have to say, this convinced me, despite the price increase in the new Core Box. Buying it in UK and selling off the Core Book will make it worth it.
JWBS wrote: Where have they excused price rises with Covid and Brexit? Are you not just conflating (and adding to) the usual forum ramblings with official GW press/communications?
Where do they excuse price increasing? It's a miracle when they even talk about prices, let alone the direction they're going.
I dunno, I haven't seen them speak on prices for a decent while. The last one I remember was early 2019 where they said "Great news, most of our range is staying at the same price, and only a few things are increasing, and it's all stuff that has been flat for years" (all proven false / mostly false by subsequent analysis from a news site, Spikey Bits or someone like that), which is why I was asking where they've blamed price increases (higher initial price relative to previous release, in this case) on Covid and Brexit.
Davor wrote: Back to Kirbynomics again. Less product and pay more. So GW is back to targeting only a select few again. So no longer smoke and mirrors now eh? Smoke seems to be long gone now. Just the mirrors are left.
But they have a Facebook page! And put up funny comics on their website!!!
Which is nice, but it's an 'actions speak louder than words' case. I personally think the community engagement will only buy them so much leeway and they are well exceeding that.
It is funny, though. I remember you had made this comment four years ago and I disagreed with it, for the same reason I am agreeing with it now. How times change.
I'll be waiting for the dungeon terrain to come out separately later. And if not...oh well, nevermind, it's not like there is no dungeon terrain elsewhere on the market.
The maps are nice, sure, but they're not especially astounding as well. There are plenty of generic dungeon maps like those elsewhere, honestly - and much more modular, should I add.
Sarouan wrote: I'll be waiting for the dungeon terrain to come out separately later. And if not...oh well, nevermind, it's not like there is no dungeon terrain elsewhere on the market.
The maps are nice, sure, but they're not especially astounding as well. There are plenty of generic dungeon maps like those elsewhere, honestly - and much more modular, should I add.
My plan is to have a pure lava mat printed on neoprene, and make modular platforms and bridges to jump between.
Sarouan wrote: I'll be waiting for the dungeon terrain to come out separately later. And if not...oh well, nevermind, it's not like there is no dungeon terrain elsewhere on the market.
The maps are nice, sure, but they're not especially astounding as well. There are plenty of generic dungeon maps like those elsewhere, honestly - and much more modular, should I add.
Yeah I am the same re the minis -I reallty like them but I don't need them or the terrain at the moment. Hopefully they will be boxed.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Which is nice, but it's an 'actions speak louder than words' case.
The comment you replied to was't meant as an argument in GW's favour. It was more of a mockery of the typical excuses we hear.
NinthMusketeer wrote: It is funny, though. I remember you had made this comment four years ago and I disagreed with it, for the same reason I am agreeing with it now. How times change.
I'm just ahead of the curve. Knew you'd come around eventually.
Having easy access to a 25% discount, REALLY liking both factions and planning to use the Khainites in AoS (their warscroll is actually really good for DoK) is why I'm buying the box. If any ONE of those had changed I likely would have passed on it but with all of them together it is JUST worth the 166.95 USD I paid. I don't consider it any kind of bargain.
There's no reason the box couldn't have been 150-175 USD. Not with only having 2 warbands and some extremely sparse terrain.
going with the standard discount for a decent price I won't look at it until it is 50% off (25% standard discount and another 25 to be down on the price it should have been in the first place)
but it is a funny thing, some people nearly talked me into Warcry some time ago, as the rules are good, game is fun and cheap and I don't have that much AoS stuff so the new Warbands were not that bad
at the same time somone else was complaining a lot about KoW Armada as that Box is too expensive for what you get and while he would like to start the game 90€ is definitely out of the price range one should buy for a 2 player starter box were an "army" only has 5-10 miniatures
a week later we saw the Warcry Box for 160€
so I will wait and see what is going to happen with Warcry, usually it is the 3rd Edition/re-print/box were GW starts to mess things up so I can see getting the game for cheap in 1-2 years when people start selling their stuff
H.B.M.C. wrote: The comment you replied to was't meant as an argument in GW's favour. It was more of a mockery of the typical excuses we hear.
because the guy who makes the comics and maintain the facebook page needs to be paid as well, so of course stuff need to get more expensive to cover that costs
NinthMusketeer wrote: Which is nice, but it's an 'actions speak louder than words' case.
The comment you replied to was't meant as an argument in GW's favour. It was more of a mockery of the typical excuses we hear.
I know, I was meaning that while the community stuff is nice it does not make up for the prices and questionable nature of certain releases. A response to the excuse, in agreement with your sentiment.
NinthMusketeer wrote: It is funny, though. I remember you had made this comment four years ago and I disagreed with it, for the same reason I am agreeing with it now. How times change.
I'm just ahead of the curve. Knew you'd come around eventually.
Sarouan wrote: I'll be waiting for the dungeon terrain to come out separately later. And if not...oh well, nevermind, it's not like there is no dungeon terrain elsewhere on the market.
The maps are nice, sure, but they're not especially astounding as well. There are plenty of generic dungeon maps like those elsewhere, honestly - and much more modular, should I add.
My plan is to have a pure lava mat printed on neoprene, and make modular platforms and bridges to jump between.
Shaped like couches, love seats, recliners and coffee/end tables.
Raising prices the same year pandemic sent the world economy into the 2nd great depression in 20 years sounds insane to you? It' the last chance to scalp us before we all become (maybe working) poor.
They're thinking of the stockists, no doubt. The $170 USD starters were likely heavier AND the local store had to sell five of them to equal the price of selling just four of the new sets at $210 USD. Less space taken up and each one sold brings in almost 25% more than the first starter set.
But the faction boxes are a good Saving (in the world of gw anyway).
Kharadron is £40 for what £55 of models, and it has all the tokens cards or whatever Warcry uses.
Orruks only looks £8 cheaper than £44 separately.
Haven’t done the other two, but Skaven does have a lot of models! Not ones I like at all, but there is a lot..
I keep holding out hope that one day, this forum will realize that things are priced at what people will pay for them. Don't like the price? Don't buy it. I know I won't.
EnTyme wrote: I keep holding out hope that one day, this forum will realize that things are priced at what people will pay for them. Don't like the price? Don't buy it. I know I won't.
Too bad consumer boycott doesn't work in any meaningful way.
EnTyme wrote: I keep holding out hope that one day, this forum will realize that things are priced at what people will pay for them. Don't like the price? Don't buy it. I know I won't.
I keep holding out hope that one day, people who keep saying this will realize that different people will (!) pay different amounts for the same item. And I know it is in vain, but I hope that they will realize that people will (!) discuss those amounts on a forum dedicated to the topic. Alas, my expectations are basically demanding superhuman feats of reasoning.
EnTyme wrote: I keep holding out hope that one day, this forum will realize that things are priced at what people will pay for them. Don't like the price? Don't buy it. I know I won't.
Too bad consumer boycott doesn't work in any meaningful way.
You're assuming my intention is to change how GW does business. I'm not conceited enough to believe I'm in any way important enough to do that. Let GW sell overpriced models to fools who are easily parted from their money. I have enough left in my backlog to paint anyway.
NinthMusketeer wrote:
EnTyme wrote: I keep holding out hope that one day, this forum will realize that things are priced at what people will pay for them. Don't like the price? Don't buy it. I know I won't.
I keep holding out hope that one day, people who keep saying this will realize that different people will (!) pay different amounts for the same item. And I know it is in vain, but I hope that they will realize that people will (!) discuss those amounts on a forum dedicated to the topic. Alas, my expectations are basically demanding superhuman feats of reasoning.
I'm addressing the segment of this forum who are constantly pushing this narrative that GW is some evil entity trying to exploit its customer base by raising prices. GW is just another corporate entity looking to turn a profit. They're just charging what people are willing to pay. If you're not willing to pay that price, then don't.
Someone really needs to set up a “GW pricing thread”. Enough. With. The. Pricing. Discussion. This. Is. Not. A. Forum. For. Amateur. Economists.
How has this thread gone on for a week without anyone figuring out if there are any hints of new factions in the new book? Back to rumours and speculation, pretty pretty please.
aloisriegl wrote: Someone really needs to set up a “GW pricing thread”. Enough. With. The. Pricing. Discussion. This. Is. Not. A. Forum. For. Amateur. Economists.
How has this thread gone on for a week without anyone figuring out if there are any hints of new factions in the new book? Back to rumours and speculation, pretty pretty please.
Because right now its still on pre-order. People who have bought into it don't yet have the models/box/game/rules to play with an entice them into further discussion.
aloisriegl wrote: Someone really needs to set up a “GW pricing thread”. Enough. With. The. Pricing. Discussion. This. Is. Not. A. Forum. For. Amateur. Economists.
How has this thread gone on for a week without anyone figuring out if there are any hints of new factions in the new book? Back to rumours and speculation, pretty pretty please.
Considering pricing is part of the news related to this release, I’d say people are free to discuss it. If you feel so inclined to have a GW pricing thread, maybe start one?
When all this stuff is out there will be a lot more to discuss.
I'm the biggest Warcry fan at my club and even I've not bothered with Catacombs; bumping the price while simultaneously taking out content doesn't sit right. The first set was a good deal though. Still interested in the books when they come out
People here complain about prices and here I look at the new mini-Start Collecting sets they made for AoS/Warcry and compare it with patrol boxes garbage on 40K side and think how much better AoS players have. Their SC also look set to stay and rule writers/designers seem more competent and willing to try new things. Mind sharing guys?
The boxes are out there, have none of the normal reviewers done anything?
Irbis wrote: People here complain about prices and here I look at the new mini-Start Collecting sets they made for AoS/Warcry and compare it with patrol boxes garbage on 40K side and think how much better AoS players have. Their SC also look set to stay and rule writers/designers seem more competent and willing to try new things. Mind sharing guys?
Ehhh... I know it sounds toxic to say, but I think the 40k community kind of deserves it.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The boxes are out there, have none of the normal reviewers done anything?
There are a few unboxing / reviews made here and there, but to be honest, there's not much to add to what was already told by the big channels. It's not like there is a tremendous amount of content in the Catacombs starter box after all...and the new maps are exactly that : new maps.
We'll certainly have more to say once the Warcry battletomes are out.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The boxes are out there, have none of the normal reviewers done anything?
There are a few unboxing / reviews made here and there, but to be honest, there's not much to add to what was already told by the big channels. It's not like there is a tremendous amount of content in the Catacombs starter box after all...and the new maps are exactly that : new maps.
We'll certainly have more to say once the Warcry battletomes are out.
Ug I'll just haul myself out to the store and check myself then. Will report back in a few hours. Seriously* the work you guys put me through.
*Sarcastically
Automatically Appended Next Post: Aight so stuff I personally did not know/fully know:
-There are no terrain cards in a dungeon; bridge locations are fixed based on the board being used, not determined by the scenario, while other bits are deployed by players. There are six terrain cards to use the box's terrain above ground though.
-Bridges can collapse, dropping those on them into lava (instant death). The wood ones collapse more easily.
-Players take turns placing doors, a big deal since the closed ones block movement (can be opened via a double which lets a fighter try to breach it).
-Each player puts down a unique feature of choice after the doors are down. Notable are the lever which opens an adjacent door and the sewer pit which reserves can come in from.
-Flyers can still fly, just not through walls or closed doors (obviously). Nighthaunt have a triple to float through walls/doors.
-There is a full scenario generator for dungeon battles with 12 each of deployment, victory, and twist.
-Each deployment has two battle groups starting on the field. The last only comes in on round three, but fighters can come in from any of the entry points on the edge or from the sewer provided an enemy fighter didn't deploy from it that round.
-There is a generic double to lurk near a wall and enemies can't draw LoS outside of 6". Corvus, in addition to wall run, have a very powerful quad that lets a model wall run, then bonus move, then bonus attack.
Ug I'll just haul myself out to the store and check myself then. Will report back in a few hours. Seriously* the work you guys put me through.
Ah, sorry...I thought you were asking why there weren't many normal reviews now that the boxes are out. I didn't understand you were asking about what Catacombs brings to the game.
Yeah, there are nice rule additions with the new 2D maps and dungeon terrain and to be honest, I like them. Just wish they were available separately, but I'm willing to wait a bit more to see what GW will release later.
I think the likelihood of ravaged lands for catacombs is pretty low. Though i would like such a set myself.
But the reason i think that is because all of the terrain you need for catacombs is already in the box. There are no rules for anything else in the book, and terrain sets outside of killteam arent known for introducing new rules.
But, they are selling two new double sided boards for $40 for the set. Which, considering how much ravaged lands usually cost, is one more ridiculous ask made by gw for this game going forward.
Its half the cost of a ravaged lands set, just for boards.
Youd get more mileage, not to mention superior suspension of disbeleif, by buying a couple dungeons and lasers fantasy core sets, and throwing some pictures of lava on the table. These gw boards are quick set ups, but for the hobbyist modeler, ultimately pretty saccharine and rigid. I see the allure of ready made boards that i dont have to paint, but when you ask such a premium price for what is, lets be honest here, a fairly substandard graphic design job, then the utility of the boards are easily questionable.
Lol what? Guess GW is really spiking prices hard. This is 2015 all over again--at some point they'll realize it's costing them and scale back but man 2021 stuff is going to get stuck with downright obscene costs.
...which is pretty wild since he doesn’t appear to have a warscroll for AOS.
Also, kinda wild lore wise that he is somewhere in 8-points. Someone should really consider flaying a few of the realm gate guards for as many invaders get through. Or you know, cause they are Chaos and flaying dudes is something they just do even to each other. Assuming Warcry is still taking place there. I haven't kept up with the lore that closely to know if Catacombs is also on/in 8-points.
There seem to he other realmgates into eightpoints, but they are too small to feasibly match whole armies through. Like, imagine trying to get a few hundred dudes through the Realmgate terrain piece!
The few background we have in Warcry says that there are indeed others realmgates leading to every realm in the Eight Points - which is why it's so strategic. While the big ones are heavily guarded, it's still pretty much chaos everywhere and the background says that small bands of warriors can find a way to slip inside unnoticed, even if it's not easy. A legendary hero like Gotrek or Bugmanson is certainly fit to be able to get past these trivial challenges.
The official action in Warcry is still so far playing in the Eight Points. It's following the current background of Broken Realms, wouldn't be surprised if future expansions move on different places eventually as we have more books and more story going on.
Surprised there is a mention of the Tome of Champions 2020, honestly. I thought it would be replaced by the Alliance battletomes.
Yep in the lore there are many smaller gates between the realms and I've no doubt that skaven drilling holes and the Necroquake has likely rattled a few more around.
The Realmgates themselves are major works of construction that you can move large bodies of people and equipment through at once. That's why they are such focal points for wars and cities because you can respond and move things through at a rapid rate.
Meanwhile those little slip gates where one or two people might push through are not so easily used to move a whole army of hundreds of thousands of troops through. But they are ideal for a tribe of Warcry bands or an elite unit of assassins and spies to slip through.
Of course the added risk is that with a small gate if there IS someone on the otherside who knows about it and who is hostile, they can lay in wait and simply cut you down as you appear one by one.
Grand Alliance books, Themed dice sets,Tome of Champions 2020 and more warband sets next week.
If you’re in North America, you’ll have to wait a little longer to get your hands on the Tome of Champions – it should be available to pre-order in the US and Canada on the 12th of December.
If you’re in North America, you’ll have to wait a little longer to get your hands on the Tome of Champions – it should be available to pre-order in the US and Canada on the 12th of December.
I just hope they give us the unit count and points for the new DoK models. Even if they aren't getting their official "AoS" packaging they are at least now on individual sale and darn it DoK players want to be able to use those new fancy models. They've released the warscroll card weeks ago
If I had guessed that Khainite Shadowstalkers and Scions of the Flame were available this soon, I might have not purchased Catacombs at all. On a positive side, not having to buy them now frees up the cash for Direchasm.
jullevi wrote: If I had guessed that Khainite Shadowstalkers and Scions of the Flame were available this soon, I might have not purchased Catacombs at all. On a positive side, not having to buy them now frees up the cash for Direchasm.
The gangs from the original box came out pretty quickly as well. The cycle for warcry is pretty quick.
** Sadly, due to an unforeseen delay in these difficult times, hobbyists in North America will have to wait another week before you can pre-order these books.
It is a bit but I mean, you don't need them *all*. I am on a GW book downer at the moment, Blood Angels 2020 is the first blood angels codex ever that I will not buy, but these don't trigger me too much. I plan to get Order, Chaos, and the Tome of Champions book and ignore the death/destruction ones.
Mr Morden wrote: Interested but need to know more about the contents - what is covered and what is not, is there any new interesting background
Agreed. Tome of Champions 2019 was worth it to me since I wanted the Fighter cards. With the Grand Alliance Tomes, Tome of Champions 2020 probably won't have any, save White Dwarf articles reprints. So at the moment, the only stuff that interests me is the Shadowstalker box, although the Sylvaneth looks good too.
Prices (Destruction and Death are smaller books) UPDATED
Tome of Champions 2020 £20 €25 $35
Agents of Chaos £20 €25 $35
Sentinels of Order £20 €25 $35
Harbingers of Destruction £15 €20 $25
Bringers of Death £15 €20 $25
Sylvaneth £45 €60 $75
Legions of Nagash £36 €47.50 $60
Scions of the Flame £32.50 €42.50 $55
Khainite Shadowstalkers £32.50 €42.50 $55
DaveC wrote: Prices (Destruction and Death are smaller books)
Tome of Champions 2020 £20 €25 $30
Agents of Chaos £20 €25 $30
Sentinels of Order £20 €25 $30
Harbingers of Destruction £15 €20 $25
Bringers of Death £15 €20 $25
Sylvaneth £45 €60 €75
Legions of Nagash £36 €47.50 $60
Scions of the Flame £32.50 €42.50 $55
Khainite Shadowstalkers £32.50 €42.50 $55
Warcry Warbands are £2.50 up on the others. Not a big difference, but still GW is pushing up those prices.
Note that's the two new warbands not the Sylvaneth and Nagash ones which are a different kind of band and made with existing kits.
DaveC wrote: Prices (Destruction and Death are smaller books)
Tome of Champions 2020 £20 €25 $30
Agents of Chaos £20 €25 $30
Sentinels of Order £20 €25 $30
Harbingers of Destruction £15 €20 $25
Bringers of Death £15 €20 $25
Sylvaneth £45 €60 $75
Legions of Nagash £36 €47.50 $60
Scions of the Flame £32.50 €42.50 $55
Khainite Shadowstalkers £32.50 €42.50 $55
Dice sets £16 €25 $30
Not that i'm complaining, but why are death and destruction a fiver cheaper?
Correction on the US book prices should be $35 not $30
DaveC wrote: Prices (Destruction and Death are smaller books)
Tome of Champions 2020 £20 €25 $35
Agents of Chaos £20 €25 $35
Sentinels of Order £20 €25 $35
Harbingers of Destruction £15 €20 $25
Bringers of Death £15 €20 $25
Sylvaneth £45 €60 $75
Legions of Nagash £36 €47.50 $60
Scions of the Flame £32.50 €42.50 $55
Khainite Shadowstalkers £32.50 €42.50 $55
If you want to know what you should expect from the bands in the Warcry battletomes, here is what I got a few time ago from the Warcry Reddit before it was wiped out by the mods :
The main change is that they include AoS heroes as potential leaders in their band faction. They also separate abilities in two tables : one for the "generic troopers" and one specifically for leaders. Makes it easier to read since the leader rune is sometimes a bit confusing with the elite one...also, since the number of leaders for all AoS factions is considerably higher than, said, the bands made specifically for Warcry, it's better that way.
The index also hints for allies and mercenaries rules, I wouldn't be surprised if the new system allows to pick leaders from other bands in the same battletome as allies / mercenaries. That would make even more sense about the clear separation between leader profiles and "normal grunts" profiles.
Really happy and excited to see the 'mercenary' heroes be made into hero options. That feels like how it should be. Separating out a different table for leader abilities is also a great move, happy to see that as well. The hand of Bottle continues to guide Warcry in good directions!
Sidenote: Anyone else disappointed by the weakness of the revenant statline? The points cost is appropriate but they should be better than dryads, not worse. Instead we have tree-revenants being worse than the average human grunt.
Sidenote: Anyone else disappointed by the weakness of the revenant statline? The points cost is appropriate but they should be better than dryads, not worse. Instead we have tree-revenants being worse than the average human grunt.
Warcry has its own logic, I guess. What is strong in AoS isn't automatically strong in Warcry, and the opposite is also true.
Role of tree-revenants in Warcry is clear : being cheap troops who can occasionnally go for objectives (their triple effectively allows them to be redeployed when they're needed).
They have less attacks than dryads certainly because their miniature only holds one weapon and they have less wounds because...they're looking like elves ? Oh well, we'll have to deal with their profile as it is written anyway.
Good stuff nice mini I hope a lot of the new Hedonite mortals make it into the Agents of Chaos book ahead of their release. Ash Barker should have a review in the morning so hopefully we’ll see then.
Is it just me, or does the wording of the article suggest that the Agents of Chaos book is going to include all of the relevant unreleased Hedonite units?
Certainly would make sense, given that they're supposed to be dropping in January, but I might also just be projecting
These guys will fit in well with warcry. The soothsayer and the Dread Pageant all have matching symbols and shoulder pads.
Speaking of which, is this a guy or a girl? The model makes me think its a dude, which makes his high heeled shoe funny. But the artwork seems more femine, but also masculine. Whoever sculpted knows how to make Slaanesh followers
DaveC wrote: Good stuff nice mini I hope a lot of the new Hedonite mortals make it into the Agents of Chaos book ahead of their release. Ash Barker should have a review in the morning so hopefully we’ll see then.
Book goes up for preorder on the 12th in the US/CAN, so he might not have a review copy.
Book goes up for preorder on the 12th in the US/CAN, so he might not have a review copy.
EDIT: only ToC is delayed according to the Sunday preview
If you’re in North America, you’ll have to wait a little longer to get your hands on the Tome of Champions – it should be available to pre-order in the US and Canada on the 12th of December.
GaroRobe wrote: Speaking of which, is this a guy or a girl? The model makes me think its a dude, which makes his high heeled shoe funny. But the artwork seems more femine, but also masculine. Whoever sculpted knows how to make Slaanesh followers
Based on their chest, gonna have to assume they're a woman
GaroRobe wrote: Speaking of which, is this a guy or a girl? The model makes me think its a dude, which makes his high heeled shoe funny. But the artwork seems more femine, but also masculine. Whoever sculpted knows how to make Slaanesh followers
Based on their chest, gonna have to assume they're a woman
Its Slaanesh so likely to have one breast regardless of original/primary gender?
What I really like is that it fits the asthetics from the Underworld Warband which means its very likely we'll see a few more mortal followers in the same design appear.
It's shaping up for slaanesh to get a really solid mortals release!
Those Slaaneshi are shaping up to be quite the nice range of sculpts. I like that this one has some ornate things, but at the same time isn't overflowing with detail that can just make it annoying to paint up. More refined and elegant. Good stuff - looking forward to more!
Lovely new model, cool to see that characters will be included in the faction specific books as opposed to being in a separate "hero book" (ala Monsters and Mercenaries).
Now if only they would release a Shattered Realms for Dungeon games with the Dungeon rules......because I have no interest in that boxed set as a whole, but would love to play some Dungeon games.
Well it's confirmed that the Agents of Chaos book has all of the 8 Warcry specific warband rules in it and the Hedonite mortals are listed as Slaanesh Sybarites
Overread wrote: What I really like is that it fits the asthetics from the Underworld Warband which means its very likely we'll see a few more mortal followers in the same design appear.
It's shaping up for slaanesh to get a really solid mortals release!
I feel exactly the same; I was a little worried after the last preview we weren't going to get more of the underworlds style mortals, but this character sets me at ease.
They are easily the most interesting and refreshing design to come to AoS since the warcry warbands, which were the best since the Acolytes of Tzeentch (for me)
It seems that only a few of the UK independent retailers are getting the Warcry stuff and those that are are selling the books at full retail no discounts.
DaveC wrote: It seems that only a few of the UK independent retailers are getting the Warcry stuff and those that are are selling the books at full retail no discounts.
A shame to hear, but it might be GW is having trouble ordering in bulk from China and such. Or they just can't get what they have got shipped out of the warehouse as fast as normal.
Yeah i saw Element didn't have them this morning, which was annoying. Didn't really want to have to do direct, but whatever. It's that time of year when saving goes out of the window anyway.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Yeah i saw Element didn't have them this morning, which was annoying. Didn't really want to have to do direct, but whatever. It's that time of year when saving goes out of the window anyway.
Wayland and Firestorm have them but neither have discounts on the books, Firestorm is full RRP on everything, Wayland have discounts on non book stuff. Element, Goblin Gaming and Darksphere don't appear to have them.
EDIT: OnTableTop have 18% discount available including the books.
It's still cheaper for me to pay the full Sterling price than the full Euro price and I reached Wayland's free shipping threshold. This may be the last order I make from the UK though depends what happens in 26 days time!
I had a race this morning and, in the past, I have ordered whilst running I didn’t think stock would be so low on this so held off until I was done. Ended up having to get them directly from GW as couldn’t see discounted anywhere else.
Annoyingly when I later checked my emails I found a store I can’t recall hearing of or ever using had emailed me advertising them with a 20% discount. Not end of the world as I have a £20 voucher to use by end of month anyway, I would just rather used it on something I couldn’t get with a discount elsewhere.
Gareth Etherington's reviews of the 4 books - he was asked not to show the Hedonite Sybarites so he skipped them.
Plenty of new stuff for everyone, Cities get profiles for practically everything - you pick a city and that determines your abilities but you can pick any available leader or fighter as they all have the cities icon. Gitz get Spider Riders and Scuttleboss
Honestly, these reviews allow you to play directly. The skipped pages about Mortals of Slaanesh are clearly 4 - 1 for the abilities and 3 for the profiles. So there is definitely more than just the armored guys we saw in the preview...
I skimmed through the Agents of Chaos book. I am seriously thinking of picking it up as a lot of my collection is featured in it (S2D army, a lot of Warcry Cults, and few Daemon SC). Seriously, it felt like I already have 3/4 the units in there. I picked up the original Warcry starter but never did bother learning the rules nor actually playing (I use the terrain for Kill Team/AoS, the units for my S2D army). However, I thought I had a good sense of the game just based on the cultists contained within that starter. Now I don't think I do.
Seeing some unit options in Warcry confound me. I mean a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak is 230 (down from 250)pts in AoS. Warcry includes Varanguard!?! Coming from Kill Team this would be like allowing a Leman Russ tank as a unit option. I have to wonder if Warcy has left the plot. I mean I know it was greatly expanded from the Warcry cults that it originally seemed to revolve around, and those cultists ended up being pretty weak (so I heard) in their own game. However, I didn't think Warcry included as much as it apparently does.
So for anyone that has played Warcry, has it been like this for a while? Does it still work okay for the Warcry Cultists? Can those cultists get by with a single or even just double set of models?
I'm still thinking of getting the book as it seem like a minimal investment on my part at this point, and I think Warcry is simple enough I can convince the few people in my Covid circle to give it a go. I just want to get a better idea of where this game stands now, and far it is from the starter box and pretty much the Warcry cultists it seemed to revolve around.
The Varanguard profile was originally only intended for scenario play, as were the rest of the S2D at first. Iirc the Varanguard was not in the card pack.
JonWebb wrote: Goblin “had” them as I placed my order this morning... will have to wait and see if I get an email saying they won’t actually be getting stock.
Corona continues to absolutely wreck global manufacturing and shipping, so it’s not surprising that even GW are having issues securing enough stock.
Just heard back on my order, the four faction books have shipped and the Tome has been refunded as it seems those won't be coming in in the near future.
So, mostly a win but it does look like the books will be slim on the ground to start.
Hopefully not a one and done print so I can pick the missing book up and everyone gets a fair crack at them too.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: I skimmed through the Agents of Chaos book. I am seriously thinking of picking it up as a lot of my collection is featured in it (S2D army, a lot of Warcry Cults, and few Daemon SC). Seriously, it felt like I already have 3/4 the units in there. I picked up the original Warcry starter but never did bother learning the rules nor actually playing (I use the terrain for Kill Team/AoS, the units for my S2D army). However, I thought I had a good sense of the game just based on the cultists contained within that starter. Now I don't think I do.
Seeing some unit options in Warcry confound me. I mean a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak is 230 (down from 250)pts in AoS. Warcry includes Varanguard!?! Coming from Kill Team this would be like allowing a Leman Russ tank as a unit option. I have to wonder if Warcy has left the plot. I mean I know it was greatly expanded from the Warcry cults that it originally d.
The lord on karadrak is a great option, now you can pick up a start collecting set and build a slaves to darkness warband out of it.
Maybe its a little farfetched, but is it really worse than playing alongside custodes? Especially in something like kill team?
I think the leman russ tank equivalent would be drafting a chimera, hydra, or the like into a warband. Which we have been able to do for some time now and it hasn't upset the structure. Thing is the larger models really pay for it in maneuverability, that base size lets smaller infantry dance around them with ease by using terrain.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: I skimmed through the Agents of Chaos book. I am seriously thinking of picking it up as a lot of my collection is featured in it (S2D army, a lot of Warcry Cults, and few Daemon SC). Seriously, it felt like I already have 3/4 the units in there. I picked up the original Warcry starter but never did bother learning the rules nor actually playing (I use the terrain for Kill Team/AoS, the units for my S2D army). However, I thought I had a good sense of the game just based on the cultists contained within that starter. Now I don't think I do.
Seeing some unit options in Warcry confound me. I mean a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak is 230 (down from 250)pts in AoS. Warcry includes Varanguard!?! Coming from Kill Team this would be like allowing a Leman Russ tank as a unit option. I have to wonder if Warcy has left the plot. I mean I know it was greatly expanded from the Warcry cults that it originally d.
The lord on karadrak is a great option, now you can pick up a start collecting set and build a slaves to darkness warband out of it.
Maybe its a little farfetched, but is it really worse than playing alongside custodes? Especially in something like kill team?
Potentially unpopular opinion, I never thought Custodes should have been added to Kill Team as it plays currently. The designers had to cheat the Kill Team rules by allowing less than 3 models to be a team while at the same time severely under pointing their full 40k cost to have chance of fitting the typical points limits. Even doing these things created a skew faction that, more often than not, leads to uninteresting games. If the mission favors very small, super-elite teams Custodes can do well, if not they tend to do poorly. Especially when it isn't uncommon for a few dice rolls to practically insta-kill a Custode.
Now, I have no issue with Kill Team points being greatly different from the full 40k equivalent. I only bring it up as it seemed fairly apparent the Kill Team designers didn't want to stray that far as practically all units (not weapons/wargear) were the same cost as they were when Kill Team was released. I am personally not bothered about Custodes to some extent. I wanted to get a kill team of them, but I understood their rules allowed to participate in Kill Team not be balanced in Kill Team usually being kinda bad.
I am super glad that Custodes (or Daemons) weren't in the core rule book. To my mind that would just invite a brand-new player to like those models, pick up some boxes and be miserable as they don't fit very well the way the game is setup. By delaying their presence it helps indicate that they aren't really meant to be an entry faction to the game as they radically deviate from the core play mechanics intent. It still happened, but at least there were some clues.
To my mind, Warcry is still that game about tribal human/demi-human adventuring parties drawn to Chaos and seeking to start on the Path of Glory. The other factions kinda globbed on to make Warcry more than a one-and-done specialist game like Betrayal at Calth. Basically taking about 100 points in AoS and zooming in the scope of the combat while largely staying more mundane than full AoS. I do think that idea might be outdated now.
I don't necessarily mind Warcry becoming less a Kill Team and more a Combat Patrol equivalent either. However, most of the Warcry cultists I have are just the non-Warcry doubled models boxes. I don't want to pick up a third set of cultists to make a full team for Warcry. I say that because in AoS, Warcry cultists are 70pts per set. So 3 sets is 210pts which is still less than what a Chaos Lord on Karkadrak costs when play AoS. I can also understand Warcry lowering the relative points cost, like Kill Team did with Custodes, but I could also see the game just kinda moving away from Warcry cultists entirely at this point. Which even in the early days of Warcry it kinda already did as Warcry cultists didn't sound like they were doing that well vs. regular AoS factions. Maybe that was just the Iron Golems though.
So I was wondering for those who have been playing Warcry and keeping up with it, how far has Warcry moved away from a set or two of the Warcry Cultist models with all the bigger (medium-ish sized in AoS) stuff that has been added? And how disruptive are those bigger units in Warcry?
My splintered fang have never had issue with 'regular AoS' warbamds. There are some they even tend to just slaughter outright. The cultist warbands have a lot of specialist models to draw from that are very good for a specific role. It provides them a tactical resource many other warbands don't match.
I have heard of Iron Golems under performing since the first starter box hit, their slowness making things difficult in many scenarios.
If anything what's funny is how pathetic the cultist warbands are in AoS. I get that they are just normal humans but still...
Well ive gotten few games in since covid but, im happy for the heroes and larger options in the game. It will probably result in some imbalance here and there but lets face it, warcry is a casual game from the start and not really built to stand up to the competitive treatment. There are basically 3 ways to play in the rulebook and i think they are all quite legit, and playing the campaigns changes a lot of things, the games get larger and higher powered, you get access to monsters/thralls and picking men from your roster is a more important part of the game....
Huh, going by that review Legions of Nagash Warband (that I started as warband but it grew into an army, oops) they got lot more options and all Leaders can summon skeletons, not just necromancer.
Sotahullu wrote: Huh, going by that review Legions of Nagash Warband (that I started as warband but it grew into an army, oops) they got lot more options and all Leaders can summon skeletons, not just necromancer.
Which is especially nice as most new leader options are decently beefy. Danse Macabre remains as Necromancers ace though so having him as a hero is definitely not a bad choice.
Meade wrote: Well ive gotten few games in since covid but, im happy for the heroes and larger options in the game. It will probably result in some imbalance here and there but lets face it, warcry is a casual game from the start and not really built to stand up to the competitive treatment. There are basically 3 ways to play in the rulebook and i think they are all quite legit, and playing the campaigns changes a lot of things, the games get larger and higher powered, you get access to monsters/thralls and picking men from your roster is a more important part of the game....
Yeah, the focus is on narrative campaigns and matched play is the secondary mode. I think that is a fantastic way to run the game development and is a big part of why I like Warcry so much. Compare to AoS or 40k where matched is the focus and narrative mode(s) are secondary. (While open is not so much a way to play as a box of various rules people can adapt for their own use.)
Sotahullu wrote: Huh, going by that review Legions of Nagash Warband (that I started as warband but it grew into an army, oops) they got lot more options and all Leaders can summon skeletons, not just necromancer.
Which is especially nice as most new leader options are decently beefy. Danse Macabre remains as Necromancers ace though so having him as a hero is definitely not a bad choice.
Ahh so the Soulblight options are in Legions of Nagash - cool
Sotahullu wrote: Huh, going by that review Legions of Nagash Warband (that I started as warband but it grew into an army, oops) they got lot more options and all Leaders can summon skeletons, not just necromancer.
Just getting into reading through all these and dam they are packed with content. Really good stuff, I am very happy with the grand alliance books. Expanding the options is great, updated mercenary/ally mechanics are great, and I am particularly happy with the amount of fluff. Every grand alliance has a review of what it is and why they want to go to the eightpoints, then each individual faction has a full run-down on what makes them want to go there and how they go about doing it. It makes for a fantastic narrative base when coming up with background for one's own warbands.
Bladeborn boxed game announced it appears to be using a modified Warcry rule set and has rules for 2 of the Underworlds war bands. No mention if these are region restricted like past boxed games.
It seems to be a combination of warcry and underworlds. I imagine that expansions wouldn't be too difficult to do, it's just an underworlds warband with fewer cards.
DaveC wrote: Bladeborn boxed game announced it appears to be using a modified Warcry rule set and has rules for 2 of the Underworlds war bands. No mention if these are region restricted like past boxed games.
Khagra's Ravagers are Underworlds, the Untamed Beasts are a WarCry warband.
Unless I missed something about there being more rules for Underworlds warbands in the box?
DaveC wrote: Bladeborn boxed game announced it appears to be using a modified Warcry rule set and has rules for 2 of the Underworlds war bands. No mention if these are region restricted like past boxed games.
Khagra's Ravagers are Underworlds, the Untamed Beasts are a WarCry warband.
Unless I missed something about there being more rules for Underworlds warbands in the box?
The marauders in the box are The Godsworn Hunt, also an Underworlds warband. There are no Untamed Beasts in the box. And there are no Underworlds rules in the box since you need a full deck of cards for each warband to play.
It looks like a take on Warcry with hex based movement that uses Underworlds bands. The Glory tokens for UW appear to be used also. That actually sounds pretty cool, especially if it was like Blitz Bowl where they include some cards for other Underworlds bands in the box for some replayibility/variety.
I love Underworlds (and also enjoy Warcry), and the Warbands are awesome and characterful, but I do wish they had rules for Warcry or another more traditional skirmish game also.
Welcome to Call of the Everchosen, the first in a new series dedicated to the Warcry community. These articles will feature all sorts of free campaigns, challenge battles, allied heroes, and more.
Welcome to Call of the Everchosen, the first in a new series dedicated to the Warcry community. These articles will feature all sorts of free campaigns, challenge battles, allied heroes, and more.
Another round of kits for them would be cool actually. I don’t play Warcry so not sure how good that’d be.
But like Necromunda is now doing second wave kits, that’d be cool to look at, as these are nice models they did for Warcry.
I would like to see additional options for the cult warbands. New specialists, full on hero options, monstrous creatures, etc. Buuuut I realize the commercial viability of what is quite limited. Maybe some sort of upgrade kit so other units can be drafted into their rosters.
It's cool how supportive GW is of cross-compatibilty within the various AoS games. Yeah it's a way to make the minis more appealing, but Kirby era GW wouldn't have made the effort.
GW today realises that one of the most important things is getting bodies through the door. Having lots of smaller starter games and such is great, but having them isolated can lead to segmenting their market and fragmenting it. Linking them up means that there's a greater chance for people to jump one to the next. I'm sure a LOT of Cursed City players will end up with a small vampire force
Just like a lot of people who get one or two Gargants for allies will end up Gargant army players.
The really nice thing is that GW is doing it whilst at the same time preserving the identity of the armies and factions. This isn't the messy attempt of "lets make everyone allies so you can soup armies together" approach. Which whlist it can work, only ever ends up destroying any semblance of balance and mucks up the visual appeal and identity of the armies and factions.
That latter attempt was what the kirby era was focused on. Primaris and Marines; Marines and every Imperial force there was; Yinnari; the Grand Alliance system at launch (not the one we have now).
I noticed one of the pages from the "A Fool's Trove in Ulfenkarn" pdf has the number 80 in the left right corner.
None of the Cursed City books have 80 pages so its not from there and in the article they say
Next month, we’ll be bringing not only another brand-new campaign, but a whole host of exciting things for you Warcry players to enjoy.
Does that mean we are gonna get a new book? Do we know anything about it?
I know we don't have rules for the new lumineth models and the new Vampire models (that are not released yet) but other than that i believe they have released rules for almost all the other models.
Well, we'll need profiles / rules for the new Lumineth units that should also be played in Warcry (meaning not the named characters, flying foxes and ballista), but I guess that should be present in a white dwarf or maybe the Tome of Champion 2021 (should come end of the year, though).
Otherwise, the door is certainly open to other specific Warcry boxes (may be new miniatures or simply repackaged boxes for the existing factions). Making new dungeon maps (easy to make, after all !), or dungeon furniture available separately from the starter box (easy since they're separate sprues), or something entirely new. Who knows ? GW does.
We haven't had anything even previewed for Warcry since the four books in December. It would certainly be nice to get a new book with some new content. Especially if we got stats for all the new miniatures and Cursed City stuff in it (and an Order of Azyr warband while we are at it, to make expeditions into the Cursed City).
Actually now that I think of it, the first Warcry box was based around the Bloodwind Spoil. Wouldn't it be awesome to get a new expansion with some new Order and Death Warbands based around the Cursed City?
NinthMusketeer wrote: Not all of the new Slaanesh units made it into the recent Chaos book for Warcry.
What didn’t make it? That’s where we first saw everything, and I don’t remember there being anything not in there that we got for AoS (that would be appropriate in Warcry).
I dunno, Cursed City doesn't have a reason for warbands of every faction to be swarming the place. And we have barely scratched the surface of places IN the bloodwind spoil.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Not all of the new Slaanesh units made it into the recent Chaos book for Warcry.
What didn’t make it? That’s where we first saw everything, and I don’t remember there being anything not in there that we got for AoS (that would be appropriate in Warcry).
I was wrong, misremembered things. Thank you for the correction!
True, but a lot of justifications for Warbands of certain factions being in the Bloodwind spoil are REALLY thin.
That said, I'm not saying GW should stop the exploration of the Bloodwind Spoil, but a Campaign book and a box or two set in the Cursed City would be a lot of fun.
They gave us a free document with a bit of rules support for it, which I think is great. I have a really hard time seeing how a full campaign book or multiple campaign books in the cursed city would be a good thing compared to setting them in the Eightpoints.
I'm hoping this is just an appitizer for more stuff in the second half of the year. I'm sure the new-cast will get a warband, but hopefully new chaos stuff comes with them.
Honestly I am down if Warcry doesn't get any releases until the next tome of champions. Not just GW but many companies in gaming have just been relentless and I wish everything would slow down.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Honestly I am down if Warcry doesn't get any releases until the next tome of champions. Not just GW but many companies in gaming have just been relentless and I wish everything would slow down.
I think we approach things differently then- I'm a pretty specialist buyer and collector so in general while I wish GW would make more things I'm interested in there are typically only around 4-6 new kits a year I feel really interested in purchasing. So me wanting more warcry is very much me wanting a reason to give GW some money, as I'm not gonna part with it for the generic stuff they release. (Though they nearly had me with the new stormcast - and would have had me with Fimir!)
I mean book-wise. In terms of kits there are tons because new AoS releases get Warcry rules. The above mentioned free download introduces a bunch of new units to Warcry.
"Thanks, Sam. That’s all for the last installment of Call of the Everchosen, but it won’t be long before we reveal what exciting things lie in store for Warcry. "
A second edition that invalidates all existing books and cards.
Fun!
Fine for me as I never got the 1st edition and passed on Catacombs as I didn't like the terrain that came with it. As long as a second or third edition has better/more useful terrain I will probably dive in.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: "Thanks, Sam. That’s all for the last installment of Call of the Everchosen, but it won’t be long before we reveal what exciting things lie in store for Warcry. "
Well, that's encouraging.
Still have the Bladeborn* boxed set(a page or 2 back) to be released, right? Or was it one of those Barnes+Noble exclusive type things?
*Edit: On second look, Its not overtly labeled as Warcry, but shares similiar graphic design.
A second edition that invalidates all existing books and cards.
Fun!
Age of Sigmar has been very good about backwards compatibility so far, to the extent of GWs infamous 'made with the next edition in mind' claims being not only true but done reasonably well. I think we can rest easy on that front.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Age of Sigmar has been very good about backwards compatibility so far, to the extent of GWs infamous 'made with the next edition in mind' claims being not only true but done reasonably well. I think we can rest easy on that front.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Age of Sigmar has been very good about backwards compatibility so far, to the extent of GWs infamous 'made with the next edition in mind' claims being not only true but done reasonably well. I think we can rest easy on that front.
Kill Team: Octarius.
Would you like to have another go?
As I said, Age of Sigmar has been very good about backward compatibility so far...
NinthMusketeer wrote: Age of Sigmar has been very good about backwards compatibility so far, to the extent of GWs infamous 'made with the next edition in mind' claims being not only true but done reasonably well. I think we can rest easy on that front.
Kill Team: Octarius.
Would you like to have another go?
As I said, Age of Sigmar has been very good about backward compatibility so far...
I don't know if I would want to base any assumptions on Age of Sigmar, but I certainly think Octarius is not a good indication of what's going to happen. A new edition of Kill Team specifically needed to not be what the previous edition was, a half-assed port of a shoddy rule set not made for skirmish sized games. The execution of Octarius may be debatable, but at least in principle it gets it right by providing a new rule set tailored to the skirmish game it is and thus provides the necessary foundation for the game to work well. Warcry is already there and a new edition doesn't need to stray from the established system the same way Kill Team did.
That doesn't mean there's no reasons for sweeping changes left. Maybe the game didn't sell well and GW thinks a more polished new edition in the way AoS implemented things isn't enough to remedy that. Maybe the Warcry we know was the proof of concept to sell management/accounting on an AoS skirmish level game and now that it's proven profitable they get to make a new edition that is closer to what they originally wanted to make but wasn't deemed a safe investment at the time. There are more variations on these themes, but you get the idea. GW doesn't need a reason for a complete upheaval other than that it's a proven method of making people rebuy the same things. Similarly they don't always rely on huge changes because refinement also sells.
I think it's tough to predict how a second edition of Warcry might look because we don't have any real precedent that is relevant to Warcry specifically at this time.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I'm happy this is a thing, but I am left wondering about when/if any new warbands are gonna show up
Id be surprised if they ever relase any new warbamds for the game, unfortunately
They just posted a new scenery designer role that specifically calls out Warcry as part of the job's remit. An encouraging sign for future support for the game, new boxes sets, and hopefully, new warbrands!
"You need to be able to design architectural scenery but must also be able to sculpt organic shapes either physically or digitally. You may wish to include examples of this as part of your application. You will also need knowledge of the Warhammer Age of Sigmar and Warcry Intellectual Property and games systems. We will train you on the software required to do this job and how to design for plastic production."
fingers crossed - I've been waiting for warcry news. I've been hoping the second part of the year would be clear for new stuff, but I'd be willing to be nothing will come of it till next year with all the other delays piling up.
Chaos spider cultists. I'm interested, but at this rate it's gunna be a long while before we see anything, and even longer before it hits the shelves, and then it'll sell out and be gone from the shelves for another 5-6 months.
drbored wrote: Chaos spider cultists. I'm interested, but at this rate it's gunna be a long while before we see anything, and even longer before it hits the shelves, and then it'll sell out and be gone from the shelves for another 5-6 months.
Knight wrote: Are they making chaos basement dwellers expansion?
The terrain sprue is all empty pizza boxes and coke cans and a staircase with mom coming down
The model of mom on the staircase will be a $55 mono-pose model (with 80 parts) and use the monster rules from Warcry. So you can take her in your warband ... if you can beat her.
Ah, but the advert is working ... We're talking about it, even if we are being contemptuous. GW did get our attention.
Considering we've got tens of pages of Old World chat and discussion and all they did to do that was show us a square base and a logo - yeah sometimes a non-announcement is really annoying, but we keep talking about them for AGES and that is kinda what marketing is supposed to do
Overread wrote: Considering we've got tens of pages of Old World chat and discussion and all they did to do that was show us a square base and a logo - yeah sometimes a non-announcement is really annoying, but we keep talking about them for AGES and that is kinda what marketing is supposed to do
To be fair, most of that discussions is people trying to virtually strangle each other over endless arguments about what's low fantasy, and Total War: Warhammer 3 discussion.
Overread wrote: Considering we've got tens of pages of Old World chat and discussion and all they did to do that was show us a square base and a logo - yeah sometimes a non-announcement is really annoying, but we keep talking about them for AGES and that is kinda what marketing is supposed to do
To be fair, most of that discussions is people trying to virtually strangle each other over endless arguments about what's low fantasy, and Total War: Warhammer 3 discussion.
And loads of "it will be warmaster" or other random scale arguments. At least until GW closed down that by confirming they weren't doing other scales. But still its all talk about Old World
stonehorse wrote:Anyone else saw Red Harvest an immediately thought, 'Necrons in Warycry?'... because back in 3rd edition Necrons were all about the Red Harvest.
Can't say such talk is productive and that it keeps the interest up. Honestly, warhammer chronicles and TW do a better job with keeping me involved with the setting. Honourable mentions to OPR and KoW system that allows me to use the 'saved' High Elf miniatures or their closest aproximations.
Anyway, with warcry, I hope they release something more substantial. I'd like to see a new edition with more interactions/model states, push, knocked down, pinned and so on. A bit more WarmaHordes feel to the system.
They could have just not announced that Warcry is to make an appearance in the Gencon preview and have this teaser as a final "oh, by the way" that gives us a hint of what to expect from the next preview event. Instead they actively raised expectations of a Warcry preview that has substance to it without any intention of delivering on it.
But yeah, as mentioned earlier in the thread BS marketing is par for the course these days for GW. So whatever.
I got so excited for a forest goblin warband (we have a rumor of a minor update for the big boss on spider) but "chaos scuttles" seems to mean spider cultists.
GaroRobe wrote: I got so excited for a forest goblin warband (we have a rumor of a minor update for the big boss on spider) but "chaos scuttles" seems to mean spider cultists.
Pain.
Maybe its just the hybrids from the first Quest game.....we got soem cool wolf riders from Underworld so spider riders seem like a possibility - unless they do go for more and varied hybrids?
Mine too (and if it is I wonder if the copyright date on the sprues is going to be really old, suggesting they were done not long after they first showed up in silver tower, but never got an AoS release?)
Real excited we have some new Warcry coming, also glad it doesn't seem to be a new edition (IMO it doesn't need one). That tease was pretty lame though; if they aren't going to show anything or give a 'full reveal next weekend!' type thing I'd rather they skip it.
Maybe this is the rumored Spiderfang vs Beastmen box set?
