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That almost looks like the kit builds either a spear troop or a blade troop. I wonder if the rules they've previewed aren't all the rules for AoS and that there might be two unit types.
Another thought is that the spears might be there for bulking up the unit. Ergo you can build the unit with all the "specialist" forms once and then add more "basic" units to the group for an AoS main game force.
Either way looks very interesting!
Edit - further looking and I think the extra spears are for the slaughtershade variation and at least one of the shadowblades. It also appears that the warlocks have two different repeaters and spell casting hands so they can swap bodies.
Also the card confirms that two of the group are warlocks (males)
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I'm assuming warlocks are male. Given that warlocks tend to be male by most definitions (and DoK already having witches and sorceresses), warlocks being the only dedicated male unit the DoK have, and just the look of the model.
Thank you! I cant wait for the scions of the flame to come out as an independent warband; I find myself not very interested in the elves, and I have moaned enough about how much I dislike (almost) all the new terrain
Why, with inflation and brexit I thought it would be twice as much! What a bargain!
Cheers Games Workshop!
...sorry guys, just tired of complaining every day about GW's prices, getting the same outcome and instead thought I would try reverse psychology for a change.
Even at a discounted £100-ish here in the UK the box content doesn't look very enticing, especially when compared to the previous starter set.
The original starter was £100 direct from GW and looks a bit better from a terrain perspective.
As I'd missed out (tabletop gaming hiatus!) I was really intrigued by the announcement of Catacombs but a sparser looking board and higher price point has nullified any excitement I had for the product.
This price creep GW has been doing is getting kind of absurd. When did it start? Blood of the Phoenix comes to mind, but things like the SoB box were also $200. Now we have this box set, mega-gargants, etc that are all more expensive, despite not really providing more than cheaper, pre existing kits.
Heck, I was browsing the Lumineth Highlords, and those hammer elves are $60 for 5 regular models. And the new nightgoblin champion on foot is fething $30, when he should only be 15-25.
I hope a lack of sales on products would convince GW to consider halting the price creep. Or at least providing enough content that it'd be worth the price.
Wow cursed darts is an insanely good double to have on almost all fighters.
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GaroRobe wrote: This price creep GW has been doing is getting kind of absurd. When did it start? Blood of the Phoenix comes to mind, but things like the SoB box were also $200. Now we have this box set, mega-gargants, etc that are all more expensive, despite not really providing more than cheaper, pre existing kits.
Heck, I was browsing the Lumineth Highlords, and those hammer elves are $60 for 5 regular models. And the new nightgoblin champion on foot is fething $30, when he should only be 15-25.
I hope a lack of sales on products would convince GW to consider halting the price creep. Or at least providing enough content that it'd be worth the price.
It did last time, but then the rule & community support was much worse. We'll see I guess.
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Will GW interpret lower sales on their prices going too high or will they interpret it as lower sales due to Corona pressure (a short term - one hopes - situation).
Anyone have an opinion on the new warbands rules wise?
Fire dudes seem on the high end of Chaos warbands, a bit one dimensional but solid.
Elves have a great tactical toolbox but it won't make up for the extremely high cost for the stats and 1 base damage, I thought GW learned from DoK that they can't just give Elves goblin stats for twice the cost, up the crit damage a bit and call it a day.
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Shadowstalkers depend greatly on their unit limits and points costs. That said right now they look like a neat elite unit ideally designed to threaten any part of your opponents army or table that is vulnerable.
Objective held by a weak force or ignored - shadowleap
Archers/artillery without a guard - shadowleap
Mage on their own - shadowleap
Supporting witch aelves - shadowleap
That they can do it over and over again gives them a lot of versatility on the table and they'll be a unit opponents will fear perhaps more so for their ability to be anywhere than their raw ability to kill things.
Heck even armies like Ossiarchs might hate them since they could shadowleap right into their deployment zone and tangle up units early in the game; slowing them down considerably.
Fire dudes seem on the high end of Chaos warbands, a bit one dimensional but solid.
Elves have a great tactical toolbox but it won't make up for the extremely high cost for the stats and 1 base damage, I thought GW learned from DoK that they can't just give Elves goblin stats for twice the cost, up the crit damage a bit and call it a day.
Both of these warbands have their essence in the abilities rather than the stats. The stats are a bit meh with 4" flails being the only real notable thing on the shadowstalkers end. But dam those ability cards are hot. They have widely useful options on doubles, triples, and quads giving them some serious tactical options. Overall the shadowstalkers seem to me a glass cannon finesse band so will likely have a bit of a harder skill curve, whereas flamey bois are a melee force making up for a lack of mobility with ranged power that is rare for Chaos.
So is the circle complete? GW is back to where they started? I thought Mr Roundtree didn't do Kirbynomics.
Back to Kirbynomics again. Less product and pay more. So GW is back to targeting only a select few again. So no longer smoke and mirrors now eh? Smoke seems to be long gone now. Just the mirrors are left.
I did get the first box set, and it was what, $200 Canadian for it. Now it is $50 more and less content? The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Time to get into a new hobby now maybe. For the price GW is asking, maybe it's time to get a 3d printer. After all, I don't game anymore, just collect, and paint. After all there are great looking minis out there to buy and then print them out.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
It does seem like they're capitalizing on the corona excuse mixed with Brexit to really jack up the prices across the board for a lot of the games they give. The mega bommer and some of the AA platforms for AI are just as bad.
Interesting that the two warbands are on such different sprues (3 small v 2 large). Were they originally planned to be sold in different ways? Or perhaps the Khainites are how they will organize non-Chaos Warcry bands from now on, I guess the future will tell.
NinthMusketeer wrote: "We double the prices, and half the amount of models! That way, each model is worth twice as much to the customer, and everyone wins."
Davor wrote: Back to Kirbynomics again. Less product and pay more. So GW is back to targeting only a select few again. So no longer smoke and mirrors now eh? Smoke seems to be long gone now. Just the mirrors are left.
But they have a Facebook page! And put up funny comics on their website!!!
Grimskul wrote: It does seem like they're capitalizing on the corona excuse mixed with Brexit to really jack up the prices across the board for a lot of the games they give. The mega bommer and some of the AA platforms for AI are just as bad.
Where have they excused price rises with Covid and Brexit? Are you not just conflating (and adding to) the usual forum ramblings with official GW press/communications?
JWBS wrote: Where have they excused price rises with Covid and Brexit? Are you not just conflating (and adding to) the usual forum ramblings with official GW press/communications?
Where do they excuse price increasing? It's a miracle when they even talk about prices, let alone the direction they're going.
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