So lately I came to a realization that nearly every model I have ever painted has been in some variation of black, red and gunmetal....and its getting a wee bit boring.
This is not to say I won't be continuing on my Stormtroopers and Guard in their red/black scheme but I am ready to try something new and so....

...SABRETOOTH MARINES!!



Basically I am keen on adding a Tactical quad in a Razorback to my pure GK army to add a bit of movement to my static gun lines and I've always wanted to create my own chapter.
I like the feral nature and ornaments of the space wolves but am not too keen on their wolf tail things hanging all over the place and hell...they've kind of been done a lot.
As I am a fan of the clinically insane marvel character Sabretooth I thought I would create a space wolves successor chapter using his costume colours and setup.
In the hope of stretching my painting skills I am going with a white undercoat (white!) and using a calthan brown and iyanden darksun scheme like so...



So I have begun playing around with a marine I had lying around as I have not decided whether to pick up the space wolves box (I don't want to have to spend hours scraping off wolf skulls, but I like the tooth ornaments and pelts) or sticking with the basic tactical marine box ( I can GS on the pelts and teeth if I have to) and I began by scraping the imperial eagle off his chest as I know the Sabres aren't going to have them. I am leaning towards getting my hands on a sanguinary chest piece and, after scraping of the weird arse nipples, making a few resin copies. Anyway here is my test marine so far

GS work first





and with paint.





I have long way to go with the chest piece obviously and he will be scrapped eventually, as I feel the muscled chest piece will give the Sabres a more wild and barbaric feel its just a lot of money to buy sanguinary guard for basically 1 or 2 pieces! I am also considering adding black lines around all the brown markings.

and one last piece, the lion head from a fantasy ogre (I think) that I gave sabreteeth, I will probably mount it on the front of the Razorback.



So thats my idea, I haven't invested too much money yet, past the cost of the paint, so I am wide open to any changes and ideas you guys come up with.

C&C is very welcome! Rama I'm looking at you dude

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Marvel villian inspired Space Marines? Im all there dude!
Okay, let's get going:

- I like the fact that you actually painted a pattern on the Marine, instead of just painting the different parts of his armor, the stripes on the legs are a really nice touch.

- A Space Marine army without any Aquillas sounds like a lot of work, but it's certainly an interesting start.

- I'm not sure about the chest atm. Is it supposed to be cloth or armor, it's hard to tell.

- You should really get your hands on the Sanguine Guard. Apart from the breast plates they have tons of great looking CC weapons, which btw, is also the reason why you should check out the Death Company box. I imagine this will be a very close combat oriented chapter, so you should go all out with that.
Also, you'll end up with a bunch of very dynamic leg pieces.

-Don't attach non-wargaming pictures, just insert hem like this:


- Is this gonna be Sabretooth only, or are you going to add a few more Brotherhood characters for fun? A Magneto Librarian perhaps.

- The lion on the shoulder is a really nice piece, you should try to get your hands on more of those and just put them on shoulder pads.

Cheers Rama!

I'm not averse to Aquilas at all, just not on the chest.

Speaking of the chest the one on the test model was me having a go at replicating the Sanguinary guard chest plate but I quickly discovered that the Sang guard sculpt is smaller than I thought and a bit beyond my skills at the moment so I just went on to the paint test stage.

I have looked at both kits for the blood angels but scraping of blood drops after blood drop seems like a buttload of hassle, I will have another look at the sang guard though as I could always sell off the extra bitz I don't need online.

I am definitely going for close combat and can't wait to do a lightning clawed leader, I have been re-reading the space wolf codex just now and think I may try a sabretooth version of a wulfen as well

I'm not sure about adding any other marvel characters as I have a some fluff developing about the chapter having a savannah planet covered in engineered paleolithic animals as their home world and dropping magneto in the mix may not fit...though I now feel the need to repaint my Vindicare assassin as deadpool...

unfortunately the lion head is about 10mm wide and wouldnt fight on a shoulder as is but I will definitely be doing somekind of bespoke shoulderpad

Thanks as always

Oh and cheers for the tip about the images

Aw pity the lion head is so big dude! You should try and make it again smaller anyway.

All looking great so far.

These bits may be useful for shoulder decor:

http://www.thewarstore.com/product33363.html

http://www.thewarstore.com/product33364.html

pic

BLACKHAND wrote:...though I now feel the need to repaint my Vindicare assassin as deadpool...

You know you want to....

looks to be a good start.
Im sure it wouldn't be too hard to turn the SW wolf helmet into a sabertooth helmet with a little work.

You could model your scouts to look like Ultimate Sabretooth:

Yes.

Looks like a great start, and an unusual colour choice for marines - refreshing to see something different. I agree that the chest plate could maybe use a little bit a cleanup, but it looks good as is. Not familiar with Sabretooth, but I really like all the imagery

Cool idea. Maybe in their fluff you could have like an exalted company who exhibited wierd healing powers and have a thing for lightning claws.

You should try to get your hands on the Sabretooth Tombstone Collection Box from Marvel. It might be hard since it was released in 1994 (I think) but it focusses exclusively on Sabretooth and the artstyle is very John Blache-like. It would be a great inspirationary piece for an army like this.

I'm really looking forward to where you're going with this concept. It has some very cool potential.

Consider me subscribed .

(p.s.: Everyone should have a Deadpool-assasin)

Wow, thanks for the quick responses guys,

@newt of death - I've done some thinking and I'm pretty sure I can make a cast of just the lion's head (not the mane) and it should fit on the shoulderpad which should look pretty s%$t hot.

@slave to darkness - thanks for the links man, it looks like I may have to just pick up the entire chariot for bits, plus I could run the lions as "counts as" fenris wolves.

@Anung un Rama - I do , I do want to, plus his colours would even match my Inquisition Army! MUHAHAHAHA!

@Comissar Argo - I know It's one of the reasons I am thinking of getting the SW box but there are just so many wolf skulls to carve off!

@Tim the Biovore - Good to see you here

@Scarper - Thanks man, I know the colours are different
and they are a real stretch for my skills but the whole reason for the project was to try something outside my comfort zone. Though I can't beleive you don't know who sabretooth is! Think a more psychotic version of wolverine from the X-men.

@boss 'eadbreaka - I figure the average marine has the same kind of healing powers as Sabretooth (though feel no pain fits as well) and yeah I am going to do at least one seargent with dual lightning claws.

@darkwulf - thanks man, I am thinking of diggin out all my old comics and having a read through but I also don't want to waste precious painting time!
oh and yeas , everybody SHOULD have a Deadpool assassin!

Well its gratifying to see that the idea wasn't totally crazy and is worth going on with!

Cheers,

BLACKHAND

BLACKHAND wrote:@Tim the Biovore - Good to see you here

You know I won't leave you alone.

Tim the Biovore wrote:

BLACKHAND wrote:@Tim the Biovore - Good to see you here

You know I won't leave you alone.

Tim thats a little comforting......and a lot disturbing

So despite the lack of pics I have had a busy night!

After ringing round a few mates I found a friend who has a sanguinor, WOOT!

I quickly borrowed it off him and got to modelin. I made a silicone mold of his chest and cast a quick resin copy, and despite the remaining modelling clay and a terrible resin mix making a pretty dodgy cast I am fairly confidant that I will not need to buy a box of sanguinary guard for just the few bits I want., again WOOT!

I also made a mold of just the face of the lion head and when the cast popped out I am happy to say that it should fit on a shoulderpad perfectly so all my Sabres will have a custom sabretooth tiger shoulderpad.. a third time WOOT!

Don't worry I've taken pics of the process (well kind of) and can put them up tommorrow but at the moment I am spending "quality time" with the Fiance..Damn Real Life!!!

Until tomorrow,

BLACKHAND

That first picture in this thread was disturbing. Sabretooth is evidently lacking a peepee.

check out a homemade concept project called "the fighting tigers of vega" (you can probably google it, I'm too busy right now) they have a lot of big-cat oriented conversions (Voltron Lion toys?! ) for more ideas too.

BLACKHAND wrote:
@boss 'eadbreaka - I figure the average marine has the same kind of healing powers as Sabretooth (though feel no pain fits as well) and yeah I am going to do at least one seargent with dual lightning claws.

That went right over your head- I was referencing Wolverine.

Well both of the Brothers have the healing factor and although Sabertooths talons arent as prominent as wolverines they are still nasty enough to warent lightning claws imo!

@guitardian - Why so fixated on peepees ? and thanks for the link I had a look through the Veda site, lots of imagination and creativity, I don't think I will go so heavily on the stripes though.

@eadbreaka and trilobite - I have considered Wolverine and as I'm using the Space Wolves codex I was going to do him as a Lone Wolf, and yes he will have lightning claws

So I ordered the Tac squad box and a rhino last night. The reason I went with the Taq squad was that you get twice the marines than either the Sang guard or the death company and I may want to expand the squad out to 6 (the max you can fit in a rhino) I am fairly confidant I can GS any custom details I will need and I will be cutting the legs and arms to get more dynamic poses so a few spare bits will come in handy!

Cheers

BLACKHAND

rhino holds ten, razorback holds six.

sorry devilkin, I realize the rhino carries 10 I was thinking of the Razorback ( I have a forgeworld T/L Heavy bolter turret I want to use)


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So here is where I am after 2 nights of feverish casting.

I started with a sanguinor here...



...Made what is probably the roughest mold container in history out of modelling clay...



..and after pouring a silicone mold (and forgetting to take pics) then pouring resin and a bit of cleaning up I had both a reduced lion head and a torso, I gave them a wash of devlan mud to pick out details that need work.



So I made another silicone mold of the torso and poured resin then I had two..see where this is going?



Thats right! I was then able to pour a 3 torso mold out of silicone! And then pour 3 more resin torsos!



At this point I stopped as I have enough for my combat squad but am able to pour 5 torsos at a time, WOOT!

Here is what the test model looks like with the new torso....



..and a pic of the WIP of the shoulderpad.



I should have time to get a few coats of paint on the test model tomorrow and get to work on adding teeth and feather necklaces to the torsos, kinda like Space Wolf talismans but with a slightly more american indian feel.

C&C welcome as always

Cheers,

BLACKHAND

Not so sure how great an idea casting GW stuff and posting proof on the interwebz is...

Wow, yeah so every time I do this I have the same response. So heres is the deal.

I am not intending to, or ever have sold any casts or reproductions of any GW models. What I do is make a mold of piece of a model than carve it down to its most basic form than make a copy of that.

Trust me by the time I am finished with these marines the torso will be nearly unidentifiable as what it once was.

If you want to see how it works check out my tervigon plog

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/276630.page

But hey I will be the first person to feel stupid when GW's jackbooted stormtroopers kick my door down and force me to eat all my resin casts at gunpoint

Looks good blackhand
I would write something witty about molds and GW but i cant be bothered atm

I'm still here.

Anyway, the torso looks too big for the legs. Or maybe it is the angle?

Interesting. But I'll wait for you to paint it to give a final comment on this.

Great idea! Nice paint job.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Not so sure how great an idea casting GW stuff and posting proof on the interwebz is...

I'm quickly becoming one of those people who gets easily pissed off with forum pseudo-lawyers. I know GW aggresively pursue their own IP, but no other hobby in the world has such zealous pursuers of copyright in it's fanbase.

It's not illegal to cast GW models.

It's not illegal to post images of casts you've made of GW models

GW made some shady legal side-stepping on their own site, but if you buy it, the law states you can pretty much do what you want with it, provided

a) You're causing no harm -physical, mental or emotional- or distress to anyone, including creating a potential scenario for harm.
b) You're not profiting from your endevours.

That's pretty much the law in regards to anything.

If I bought a sanguinor, I could smash the gak out of it with a hammer if I wanted. I could glue it to my car. I can certainly cast the bugger.
Hell, if I wanted I could cast my Samsung TV in resin. Their products come under the same part of IP law when it comes to the image and copyrighted design. If I'm not selling it, I can do it.

Sorry for the rant. I love this blog, BTW.
X-Men freaking rule.

Damn, i gotta learn how to cast things

Like the colours! When I see that wolf head all I can think is custom chaplain =)

Tek wrote:
b) You're not profiting from your endevours.

well,you profit from casting your own minis because you dont spend any money on the parts.

but hey,im the last one against casting your own stuff

I dont think I like that sanguinary guard model at all! lol

Its just really rough and messy and cluttered with bits of indestiguishable detail.

That aside, the actual work that you've done is great! I will wait till youve finished something before I say anything else. lol


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Ok, just looked at the model on the GW site, and Ive changed my mind lol. I think its just the torso I dont like completely, cuz its not an actual body, its just armour in the shape of a body but its the extra rib cage part that looks wierd to me, but it isnt indistinguishable at all.

This is VERY promising. Will you, or have you already done a Wolverine? Maybe a weapon-X scout?

@ commissar Argo - Thanks, I probably don't need to be a smartass when people question casting models but it feels so goood!

Tim the Biovore wrote:I'm still here.

Whew! I was worried for a sec and yeah the torso is quite different than a normal one and I am looking at carving even more off the back of them. I will dig out an AOBR marine for some comparisons later today and I will post a pic, I have a feeling that once the shoulder pqads and arms are on the model will look better.

Oh and the head I am using is a Dark Elf Knight..so..um..yeah

@Anung un Rama - Ok that was worrying, I have a feeling that this is going to be Tervi Spider legs all over again

@Flying Pooo - Thanks man

@Tek - I know what you mean, I always take 10 mins before answering posts like that so I don't just sound too pissed off, I do my best to inject a bit off humour if nothing else. Thanks for your summation of the law BTW, if wasn't so long I would add it to my sig! Thanks for posting

@Ghosty - YES you do need to learn to cast! TBH its not really cheaper than buying a model and converting it but if you want to give a whole unit the same part its the only way to go.

@Limbo - Thank you sir, and now all I can do is think the same and a chaplain would satisfy the Allies rule when I second this unit to my GK hmmmm ( thants the noise I make when I think) hmmmmm....

@hamhamlauncher - I wish I was making a saving but the cost of silicone and resin is fairly high over here in litlle ol' New Zealand. The real way to save is...

Buy models directly from the UK, the pound isn't doing well at the moment and the NZ dollar at least is doing better = savings!

Buy your models from a second party seller like maelstromgames. uk , they give between 10-15% discount on all GW and free postage worldwide = Mad savings!

The tac squad and rhino I ordered will cost me roughly half of what it would have cost from the GW Australia site

@newt of death - Bear with me Newt, I will get some paint on the test model today and then you can make an informed decision, that said I am not a huge fan of the sanguinary guard models either tho more because of all the fancy crap all over them than the muscled armour. My hope is that the torso armour will make the marines look more like Sabretooth and reflect their feral and barbaric background of nomadic plains hunters, thats the idea anyway.

@the good green - LOL it looks like I should have gone straight for a wolverine themed chapter! I am considering doing a wolverine inspired Lone Wolf with dual lighning claws. the only thing was I am not a fan of his bright yellow and black X costume, the weapon X costume looks a lot better but my hope was to get away from red/black paint jobs for a while so suggestions would be appreciated!


Cheers,

BLACKHAND

@Anung un Rama - Ok that was worrying, I have a feeling that this is going to be Tervi Spider legs all over again

Did you change them yet?

LOL, No I havn't! the legs are perfect dammit!

Anyway, anatomically incorrect arachnid legs aside, I've been busy with the marines. I've painted the torso, and tried lining the brown with black to try and get it to pop a bit.

here is a pic with a proper marine sergeant head, suddenly the chest doesn't seem so out of proprtion



and a pic with an AOBR marine for size comparison



Again without shoulderpads and arms its hard to tell if the chest is too big but I just don't have any arms to try until the tac marines arrive. Last is a pic of a lion head I am trying to fit to the top of a marine head as a mask/headdress type of thing.



I'm working on having sit further forward on the head

C&C welcome (and needed!)

Cheers

BLACKHAND

I'd say you are gonna have to file down those teeth (unfortunately). I think the arms will make the chest look fine, and after all it is two layers of armour, isn't it?
The painting on the torso looks good. I think, if you painted the strips on in black first and then put on the brown, you could got thinner black lines around the strips.
I am loving this project.

Thanks Green , I will have a go at doing the stripes black then brown next time I do a set of legs. Speaking of legs I found a spare set today and had a go at cutting them into a bit more of an interesting pose.



I'm starting them off on a slate and gravel base but will eventually get hold of some long static grass to simulate the Sabres plains homeworld, I should be able to just glue the grass on over the gravel and get the look I want.

Here is a torso with a sabretooth amulet and my second try at a lion shoulderpad, this time I removed the lower jaw and cut down a lot of the pad which left me with a shoulderpad about 3mm shallower than the first which doesn't jut out so far when tacked onto the torso.




I also have a major problem to solve and I need some opinions...What do I name the damn Chapter!!!

I have a few ideas

The Sabre Legion (so far my first choice)

The Brotherhood (doesn't really reference the sabretooth)

Sons of the Sabre (meh)

and thats the extent of my imagination

Some things to think of is their homeworld is primarily plains and tundra, populated by massive engineered mammoths, ground sloths, cave hyenas and of course the Sabretooth. The human population lives in nomadic tribes and loosely resemble american indian culture. The Sabres are a space wolf successor chapter but have succesfully replaced the Canis Helix with one based on the sabretooth and so their wulfen equivelents show characteristics of a sabretooth cat rather than a wolf.

Umm thats all the fluff I have come up with so far but any suggestions for Chapter names would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers

BLACKHAND

No, they're not.


On topic: I like the model. The chest piece really makes it works. It's very Sabretooth-ish.
I'm not convinced by the helmet though, the head looks too big for the helmet to work. Still waiting for the head on a shoulder pad.

The sabretooth helmet is supposed to be more of a pelt than a marine helmet , kind of shamanistic with the head of the lion looking like it is eating the marines head...ok I'm not sure where I am going with that but it's late and I've had a few drinks.

I'm still working on the shoulderpad, its not easy to get a form that you know will cast easily with as few flaws as possible. I am also going to try GSing a more 2D shoulderpad with a lionshead sillouette to give to the Sabre version of a Blood Claw and Wulfen so keep an eye out for that

If you're going with the pelt thing, you should still try to put it a bit, well, tighter, over the head. Right now it looks like he's wearing it like a cap, but it makes more sense now.

I like the shoulder pad.

Names, hmm...what's wrong with Sabretooth Marines?
How about:
- The Sabre Lions
- The Sabre Cats (hoooooooo)
- The Sabre Teeth

Also, I assume your chapter master will be some sort of tactical genius

@ Rama - I had a go at cutting down a marine head so that the lion head fit better and this should work ok, just waiting for a better head to use it with.

Didn't have much time for modelling today but did have time to cut out a rough lion head symbol, this one is made of 3mm plasticard and is the right size for a rhino door. I will be doing another version with a larger mane I think but this is a start at least, of course I wll cast it in resin when I finish so that I can reverse it for the other side of the razorback and maybe put one on the front as well.



and since I have no models till they arrive from the UK I started painting my FW heavy bolter turret in preperation



hmmm..heavy bolter goodness

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Awesome! Subscribed.

Will you please stop casting your Sanguinor, I'm physically, mentally or emotionally offended by seeing it !
Now, I like the idea of the army. If you're really wanting some cool wolf/cat-like heads, check out the Wargs form the LotR SBG. Cheap (relatively) and good for decapitation.

I'm not really convinced by the symbol. It just looks odd, though I can't quite put my finger on why that is.

If I didn't know what it's supposed to be, I wouldn't recognize it.

WaaaghoftheEmperor wrote:Will you please stop casting your Sanguinor, I'm physically, mentally or emotionally offended by seeing it

Does it make it worse that it's not even my model?

@Anung un Rama - I'm working on a version 2.0 and will concentrate on "recognizability", the main aim is to design something that I can paint or reproduce in gs on a shoulderpad, damn those things are small!

I'd rather not but could always go for a "tooth"design like some of the space wolf decals, just seems like a cop out and I definitely have plenty of time before my marines arrive.

Cheers,

BLACKHAND

The Sabra-Jaguar Pride lol



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http://officialrollingcode3.com/screensavers/Thundercats.jpg

How about using this as a symbol, I agree with Rama the symbol needs work. the one you have is good but the nose bugs me.

Nice work! I love watching your blogs BLACKHAND. A question for you though. How did you do those stripes on the sm painter?

The Thundercats Logo as chapter symbol? Now that would be ballsy

@lennysmash - lol, took me awhile on Wiki to figure out who the sabra-jaguars were. And yeah unfortunately I wasn't a thundercats kid so I don't think I'll rock their symbol, as good as I am at ripping off Intellectual Property

@ Munch - Thanks Munch! I'm afraid I did a brown and a tan version of the marine on the SM painter then photoshopped it togther to get the scheme I wanted, cheating I know.

@Rama - Yeah I think I will go for something original for once

Damn! Better get back to work!

Cheers

BLACKHAND

How about the X-factor? or Emperors Fangs?

Smilodons?

Something I just notices about the head- the eldar head looked better, I think, because it made the chest look like armour. The new head is getting closer, if not already, to looking like the chest is the guys chest, and he's just wearing spandex.
I also liked the eldar head better, it looked more like a wild thing than baldy does... though I do remember you writing something about GSing some hair after a bit. Sooooo-
And now I will go back and read the posts that I just scrolled past to see what I missed. I just didn't want to lose that thought to any new ideas that might come along.
What about doing the Sabre's head bigger, model it starting with a librarian sort of armour... *goggle searching* Found it!
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1240815_99060101309_SMUMTiguriusmain_873x627.jpg
with the bottom jaw around the front...
hm... smack me if i'm going too far.

@Whalemusic200 - thanks man Emporer's Fangs just made it on the list!

@Morgrim - I have thought about using smilodon in some way but it seems kind of 19th century, where sabretooth sounds more like something a 40th century techno-cretin would come up with, not sure if that makes sense

@the good green - I like the dynamic hair from the eldar head as well but I'm also on the search for some human heads with fangs, harder than you think! I know what you mean about how the head affects the percieved size of the chest armour but I also don't want their heads to be smaller than guardsman heads I definitely intend to GS a few creed-style muttonchops on few marines.
As for the sabre head, I'm still unsure of how I want to use but I think If I do a chaplain I will model a sabretooth skull as opposed to a pelt, mainly cause they always have skulls as helmets...and it looks cool

As always guys thanks for the ideas and inspiration!


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Had time to work out a version 2.0 of the sigil, I know its not that different but it certainly has more rounded edges and a fuller mane. I have had no luck at all finding a lion logo or design that is any simpler, and no I won't be using the thundercat symbol



Will keep up the search for a more easily recognizable sybol but will also trial this one out at my local club this saturday

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Not sure how it would turn out but how about using a silhouette like you have already yet instead of cutting in to define the characteristic paint them on. Now I'm not seriously saying use the TC logo but if you look at the lines it would be easy to copy to idea of paint the line is.

Added bonus would be that you would be able to add far more intricate detailing whilst still mane-taining (sorry couldn't help it) a silhouetted feel.

BLACKHAND wrote:@Whalemusic200 - thanks man Emporer's Fangs just made it on the list!

Awww some other guy came up with it first? Bummer

whalemusic360 wrote:

BLACKHAND wrote:@Whalemusic200 - thanks man Emporer's Fangs just made it on the list!

Awww some other guy came up with it first? Bummer

The same... I thought Sabretusks would fit them well.

For Fenrisian wolves: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300311&prodId=prod1010005
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300315&prodId=prod1110238

@Lennysmash - I get where your coming from, and its an idea...I do like the idea off doing a layered FW-type chapter symbol. I could always cast the two sides of the symbol then carve extra detail on opposing sides before casting them again.

@whalemusic - IDK if your joking or not but I meant Emporer's Fangs has made it to my list of names to consider! its still very much in the running

@saint spirit - Sabretusks is cool, and there is no way I'm making a firm decision till I've heard as many ideas as possible! Oh yeah and that Ogre hunter is where I got he original lion head I've been using, unfortunately the tusks are on the lower jaw which requires a bit of work to change, I do like the rest of the model though.

Keep those chapter names coming!

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Nah I was just giving you a hard time over the "200" part. I'll try thinking up some more. Are you looking for a true 40k name, or something marvel related?

BLACKHAND wrote:... and no I won't be using the thundercat symbol

You sure? Because it sounds like a realy good idea

Looking at your current work, I think a good start would be to change the eye, so it looked more angry/evil. If that sounded strange, compare these two Transformer Logos:

@whalemusic360 - LOL, Ok feeling fairly stupid now I'm going for a "proper" 40k chapter name btw

@Anung un Rama - Yeah really, no thundecats...please and I'm continuing work on the chapter symbol, after looking at some of the FW ones I think more layers and depth will be essential so perhaps I will cast two of the symbols I have now and then GS some mirror images of the same sculpt. Will be more complicated than I hoped but I have the time to kill.


Cheers

BLACKFOOTINMOUTH

The more I see the thundercats logo the more i to use it on my marines. Same they're made with templar sprues. somehow don't think the two images will match.

What do you mean layers? Are you starting with a silhouette and then adding gs detailing or are you adding a smaller silhouette of the same design but smaller?

Lennysmash wrote:
What do you mean layers? Are you starting with a silhouette and then adding gs detailing or are you adding a smaller silhouette of the same design but smaller?

I was thinking of adding gs detail on the sillouette, to create something easier to recognize...in theory

Ok for names I can only come up with combinations involving Claw or Fang. The other word could be Emperor's, Imperial. Iron, Astral (not claws on that one), Doom, Knights of the, Sons of the, etc. The "how to paint SM" book has some good kitty heads for symbols in the back of it BTW

Kia Ora,

Looks really solid bro. The sigil does look a wee confusing when it's from the side - it may because the maned sabre tooth is not a readily identifiable critter.

What if it was a front on sigil?


Like this one, though this one looks more sabrewolf than sabretoothed cat.

@whalemusic360 - cheers for the tip on the how to paint SM book, I borrowed a copy yesterday and found the lion sillouettes in the back plus all the naming ideas for the homebuilt chapters. After a bit of scanning and photoshopping I have another version of the symbol to show you all but it will have to wait till tonight.

@Archibald Jack - Hey bro, thanks for checking out the blog! I agree the problem may be that the sabretooth isn't such an iconic creature ( glad I didn't go wiith the Weasel Warriors ) I may try a front-on symbol for the front of the razorback and side-on symbols for the doors.

I think I will keep on working on the version 2 symbol and see how the GS comes out but I well also see where the symbols form the SM painting book go. I will still need a symbol to paint on some of the SM shoulderpads as I don't want every marine to have a massive lion head on his shoulders, may look a little over the top.

Cheers,

BLACKHAND

All looking great now!

Get the tanks in and finish some squads!

I can talk lol. My blog has been dormant for ages now, just so damn much to paint!

Finishing things is great tho.

Sorry Newt I'm still waiting on the models from the UK, it's cheaper to buy direct but definitely takes longer!

I hate to remind everyone but at the moment I am only planning on building one Grey hunter squad to add to my inquisition army.

If they turn out alright I will consider building an entire army, to begin with this was just a painting experiment!

cheers

BLACKHAND

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You know you can't add allied Marines once you field Grey Knights, right?

I can add them to my stormtrooper based army but not to my gk list yeah,

I'm just getting frustrated with how expensive and specialized the GK are when I'm playing so I thought I could run a Stormtrooper based Inquisition list with allied space marines and see how it works

Of course if I build enough "counts as" space wolves I can always ally a squad of GK termies with them an run logan grimnar with them, apparently they work well together

What stuff was needed to cast your stuff then black? im thoroughly intrigued. Oh, and the torso seems a tad disproportioned on the squat legs. Why not true scale the legs?

I use a product callede "pinkasyl" for the silicone molds and "easycast" for the resin, they cure in less than 20 mins and are safe on the skin so they are pretty much perfect for small scale casting like this.

I have had vague thoughts off scaling a few of the marines up in size, mainly cause I have read a couple of space wolf novels lately and they all varie in size quite a bit. This makes a lot of sense to me as the whole chapter isn't going to be the exact same height right?

I might have to check out some the true scale marine blogs on dakka for tips

HamHamLunchbox wrote:well,you profit from casting your own minis because you dont spend any money on the parts.

Grats on not knowing what the word profit actually means:

"The positive gain from an investment or business operation after subtracting for all expenses."

For there to be gain, he would have to sell them. As there is no gain, there is no profit, only expenses(mold making and casting materials).

Thanks Platuan4th, I couldn't have said it better myself...no really I couldn't

This next fellow isn't one of my Sabretooths, I 'verted him up for a friend of mine after boasting that I could totally mount a sentinel flamer on a terminator...turns out you can!







If only you could arm terminators with plasmacannons!

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Heavy flamer is heavy!

looks good

Good ol' guitar string in use there I see!

well done on the heavy flamer conversion.

Thought I would put up some pics of the flamer termie with his paintjob. My mate is running Blood Angels but he seems to like his termies looking almost like death company so here he is.....







Hope you like it!

Cheers

BLACKHAND

WoW NICE JOB WITH THE TERMIE!

I like the paint job

very nice wrok with the plate and the colour scheme keep up mthe good work

HAHA, they have arrived!

Got my tac marines and the razorback yesterday and have begun the groundwork for the sabretooth marines.
This may be a bit of a boring post as I havn't got any pics but I wanted to let you know that I was still working on them!

First off I put the razorback away on a shelf as I will keep it as an incentive to keep me working on the marines

Second I layed out some cards and marked them with the names (WIP names!) of the six marines.I then clipped and cleaned up the arms, weapons and various accessories I want them to have and tacked them to the cards to make sure I had the right weapon loadouts.

Third clipped and cleaned the back half of the six torsos I need and glued the chest plates to them and began the GS work to clean up the joins between the two and around the belt area as there is quite a difference between the length of the space marine torso and the sanguinor chest plate I copied.

I have decided that to make a GS symbol of a lion's head on a shoulderpad will be near impossible and I will freehand them if necassary, instead I will GS a couple of different patterns, a tooth pattern similar to one of the space wolf decals and two tigerstripe patterns that will mirror each other. Hopefully I will be qble to start casting the shoulderpads in the next couple of days.

I have unfortunately run up against a problem...the dumb a$%h^@e who runs our local model store!!
I went in the other day looking for long yellow grass to stand in for prarie grass for my bases and when I asked the owner he just stood there shaking his head without answering, staring at me through his goldfishbowl glasses (well at me and the wall behind me, he has a bung eye that points to the right) I restrained myself from beating him to death with a tape dispenser (those suckers are heavy ) and left the store...not before telling him he was F%^&ing useless and something about being a walleyed c&nt, I'm not sure exactly as the Black Rage was misting my vision
The problem with all this is that I am down to my last centimetre of Greenstuff and the local store is my only source other than the net!! Dang!

Anyway I will continue as far as possible with what I have left and then tackle the problem, procastination is a lifestyle I tell you!

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Not a huge amount more to show you tonight.

I did a bit of GS work on a few shoulderpads, fangs and stripes basically, something to add a bit of flash to the more basic marines. tomorrow night I will be ready to pour a mold for the pads including the lionhead pad and a set of marine feet which should help with a few of the poses I want to attempt.

After that I chopped up a kneeling marine so that I could get a couple of more interesting leg poses and I mocked up this guy....



He is Scents-the-Wind, the squads information specialist at the mo he's is rocking the missile launcher helmet but I hope to add a few more gubbins and tech gear to his armour as well as scope out his bolter.

Oh yeah all of these guys will be kitted out with boltgun, bolt pistol and chainsword as per the grey hunter rules as I feel they will look pretty cool, kind of special forces, and I don't see many hunters online with full WYSIWYG for some reason.

Ok I better go spend some time with the fiance..but don't worry you know I will be thinking about models..wait that doesn't sound quite right....


Cheers

BLACKHAND

Looks good. nice leg work.

Ok I better go spend some time with the fiance..but don't worry you know I will be thinking about models..wait that doesn't sound quite right....

It sure as hell dosn't sound right.

nice work, very impressive

cheers
Tim

Love the pose... very natural, very heroic. I can hear Carmina Burana (sp?) in the background.

What type of silicone mold stuff are you using? I have clay, resin, etc but cannot seem to find any recommended silicone to make a mold.

Amazing work so far. Subscribed.

Looks good. Dynamic pose and all that.

Very cool are they based on spacewolves or codex marines

@Commisar Agro - Cheers man , and yes I have a problem

@biginbelgium - Thanks!

@Gitsplitta - Yeah I am going for stances that a normal human would stand in as opposed to the usual legs shoulder width apart, knees bent and a dead flat surface to stand on. Oh yeah and they all have to look like stone cold killers

@Father Gabe - the product I use is called Pinkasyl, it cures in about 15 minutes and has a lot of flexibility, not sure if it is available in the states.

@warriors of mayhem - Thanks man

@Anung un Rama - Thank you sir

@young logan - Yep Space wolves codex, at first because of the whole feral angle but I now really like the way that Grey hunters can fill a lot of roles with their weapon loadouts. If my razorback could hold terminators (I don't think they can right?) I would upgrade my wolf guard leader to have terminator armour. How cool is that? a power armour squad led by a veteran in termie armour!


I hope to get Scents-the-Wind's base sorted out tonight and get his legs glued up so that I can add a few Dark angel style feathers and tooth amulets and try and figure out how I am going to clip the boltgun to him in a sensible way.

Cheers,

Blackhand

Hey Blackhand, I have a question that might be right up your alley.

For my Mantis Warrior Vanguard (you've seen the prototype), I'll need to have space marine arms bent at a less than 90 degree angle. Do you have any suggestions for doing that (and making it look natural)?

Wow Blackhand, your work is always immaculate.

That guy is awesome.

@Gitsplitta - The chainsword arm on the last tmarine is made made of 2 different arms and they are cut in 3 pieces.

I used one of the bolter holding arms and a chainsword arm, cut the shoulderpeice off the bolterarm which allows you to turn and mount the stretched out bolter arm so that it is not curling around the body but pointing forward. With that arm I cut the hand off flush with the wristband, on the chainsword hand I cut it off on an angle leaving as much on the top as possible this will put the sword on a more than 90 degree angle and create more of the illusion that the arm is outstretched.

Hope this makes sense, the best advice I can give is pin the joins, check the length against a normal arm, greenstuff is your friend and shoulderpads will hide a multitude of sins

@ Dufflebag and Good Green - Thanks guys, always good to get positive feedback!

Cheers,

BLACKHAND

Blackhand: I must have misspoken... I need to be able to bend arms more... not less. Like if you took your arm and put your hand to your cheek. I don't need quite that much bend, but that's the overall idea. Ever done anything like that before?

i´ve read in this forum that you can do this by heating salt (yeah ordinary kitchen salt) to a certain point and then use the heat emitted from the salt to melt the plastic to a certain degree to bend the arm or leg. so no cutting is involved.

i have to add that i read that only and haven´t done that my self...

good luck

Hmmm, it would seem to me that dealing with the elbow kopp is the main issue as it won't bend and the arms (obviously) can't move within it. Might have to cut both sections of the arm off the kopp, then re-position them at a shallower angle on it again. That would work... but would be a mess to do.

Dear God after this i want to learn how to cast in resin they i want to cast 2 halfs of a space marine for an entire taac squad so then i can keep growing AND MAKE 1000 SPACE WOLVES AND ILL BE LIKE BIATCHES YOU COLLECT SPACE WOLVES? NOT POSSIBLE I HAVE THEM ALL HAHAHAHAH

space wolfs are 1200 strong.... 1300 if you include 13th company. besides a thousand is too small.... you need a marine LEGION like i have going. sorry to hijack the thread but awesome job on these guys

BLACKHAND, seen these?

well thats not counting the wolf guard and the dreads and the blood claws.

But a LEGION

10000 Space marines with hundreds and hundreds of termies and vehicles.

ONE DAY..........ONE DAY....................

(OH AND LIKE 100 titans)

@gitsplitta - Sorry bud , was probably more my reading then your phrasing, in that case yeah I would still cut the arm in three and trim down the elbow kopp, I find its realy hard to get a grip on plastic that small with pliers and you would have to do that if you were heating the arm. It's amazing that GW hasn't taken into account that marines may want to do things like scratch their noses huh?

@Victor von Doom - Cool tip with the salt , is it because the salt hlolds heat for longer?

@ChocalateGork & TyraelVladinhurst - Wow, you guys take plastic crack addiction to new levels, Keep it up!

@SlaveToDorkness - Damn, No I hadn't seen them Slave. while I have been making molds of all my work in case I make more of the Sabretooth marines I only intend to make a squad at the moment. If I end up making any more I will definitely pick up some of those Scibor pads, they are pretty fricken cool, thanks for the link!

Cheers,

BLACKHAND

Nice work! I think this is going to turn out great!

about the salt: yeah i suppose tho, aslo it doesnt count as dirket heat i think, othgerwise it would melt the soldier. the methode makes it just so much bendable to form it anew but remains the original aspects to conserve the detils. otherwise it would by like holding your average marine over open fire for example candle light...

OMFG! I can finally post! Internet was in offline mode.

Great work on that guy on the previous page.

Just to prove I've been working on the marines, heres a pic of a casting frenzy I went into...



and heres a pic of my first marine, Scents-the-Wind, the squads information and Comms specialist, still to have his auspex attached to his belt...



Im not too happy with his stance at the moment, he is leaning back to far I think and so he seems to be staring off over the horizon, I may snap him off at the waist and add a wedge of GS to get the angle of the torso how I want it.

C&C welcome as always

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Scents-the-Wind looks epic!
Is it me or does something looks odd in that picture, I just can't tell what...yet...

Not sure myself Agro, It was definitely taken on a different angle to the mock up shot from last week.

Heres a teaser of the next Marine I'm working on...Still trying to think of a feline version of a wulfen.....



What do you guys think?

total badass
But it kind of looks like the in between stage of a human tranforming into a werewolf. if you know what i mean.

Thats what I was going for!

The fluff for wulfen say they are more feral looking than normal SW but not actually wolf headed.
I had a look at a friends metal Wulfen models but they didn't look bestial enough for me, so I based mine on an old beastman head.

So yeah, sounds like I got the look I was going for, sweet!

Scents-the-wind looks nice. The colors and the toros work really well together. He could use some fur or pelt or wahtever on a shoulder.
Though I have to ask, wouldn't he be able to sense the wind much better without the helmet on? Sorry to bring this up so late in production, but it'll probably be one of those things I'll keep nagging you about.

btw, when are going to change the legs on your Tervigon?

The Wolven, Sabre, whatever looks good so far.

I dunno Blackhand.... I mean, how do you "scent the wind"... maybe he's just passing gas?




Seriously, he's probably not looking anywhere, he's got his eyes closed, the air intakes on the suit open, and his head in position so that he get's the best wiff available & is concentrating on what he's smelling. Love the wolfen... looks a bit like Dracula (in monster form) from the movie Van Helsing. Which is a good thing as he was a pretty good mix of beast and man.

I really like that feline/werewolf head.... is he jsut a squad member, or is he gonna be a memeber of the wulfen or something?

These are looking really good. A very good cherency to them as a whole. Keep up the good work!

@Anung Un Rama - I have a serious lack of decent SM heads to convert so I had to settle for a helmet for Scent-the-Wind. I decided to cover for that by saying he needs his helemt to access all the higher end sensor suite functions of his suit, don't know if anyone noticed the extra camera lenses on his shoulders?

@Gitsplitta - Yeah I like the beast work in van helsing too, I also thought he looks like the wolf form of dracula in the old bram stoker's draacula with gary oldman.

@Ghosty - You can take one wulfen per squad in the new codex and they have 1d6 attacks and rending so .... fun fun fun. Kinda like taking a genestealer in a SM squad
still trying to find a pair of vampire counts ghoul hands for him tho

@InyokaMadoda - Thanks man, I'm planning on doing a diorama base for the whole squad which should tie them together even more.

Cheers guys for all feedback,

BLACKHAND!

Well, I'm not going to lie. Blackhand, when I saw your marines, I started clapping joyfully like a little school girl. Thank you!

Oh yes and great work as well.

Oh i thought you were going for a more feline look. my bad.

i noticed the extra lense.

Sorry I was focusing on the "inbetween" portion of your comment My intent was for it to be feline-ish but I figure there isn't too much difference between a wolf and a lion in that inbetween stage.

Man I don't think I've ever used the word between so much in one paragraph.

I have more work to do on the mane and sabreteeth any way so I may work on flattening and widening the nose to look more feline..Its not a fun peice of modelling to do due to the whole head being about 5mm wide

I'm not convinced. I can accept that he can smell stuff through his helmet but it loses a lot of character imo.

And change the legs on the Tervigon while you're at it.

[/annoy]

LOL, I can always count on you Rama...count on you to pick up on one thing and never let it go, like a rabid dog with a bone

Unlike the tervigon legs, I have no problem changing the head for Scent-the-Wind, I will just need to find that perfect head..in fact can anyone suggest a sprue that has a bald SM head that isn't yelling and weirdly massive?

The original beakie sergeant head... I have like... thousands of them...

Uggh..Sorry bro but I'm really not fond of the beakies, in fact I trade em all to a friend who is making a pre heresy chapter. I'm thinking of a more stoic look on the face and a bald head that I can add ques (plaits that warriors had) and warpaint to.

Actually I was kidding... the bare head that came with the original plastic beakies was terrible. Definitely had pushed the limit of what plastic molding could do back then.

I think the head I'm doing for Telion looks terrific (comes with him)... it's definitely and older person though... probably not what you want for Scents the Wind. You know, that's a very Native American sort of name... is that what you were looking for? Might make for some very interesting modeling possibilities...

Yeah the sabretooth marines started out as a painting test, then I remembered the "walking with beasts" (british documentary on extinct animals) episode with the sabretooth lions on the savanah and imagined them hunting sabretooth cats on the plains which in turn led me to an native american theme.
I want to model purity seals as feathers like the DA ones, lots of tooth amulets and black warpaint. My Recon specialist Walks-in-Shadow will have the lower half of his face covered in black warpaint and carries a cut down "chainknife" for close in kills, that kind of thing.

I am in the process of biggerising a set of marine legs for my "warchief"(wolf guard counts as) named Red Bison who is gonna carry a power axe from the sanguinary guard sprue and needs to be big and intimidating. So yeah they have evolved from the idea of copying the marvel Sabretooth's costume into a real chapter I feel.

Again the problem of finding decent heads is stumping me but I have tried to be creative, I'm using the half cyborg head from the sergeant sprue for my Melta specialist. Fluff-wise he took a plasma blast to the left side of his face as a blood fang and when he rose to grey hunter status the took the name Eats-the-sun and began toting a meltagun, he likes to see his enemies faces as he burns them off,kind of carthartic you know

I see your problem... just did a little google searching and came up with zip. If I blunder into something I'll let you know.

I like it! I do think you should work a bright colour in to the scheme, however to provide some relief from all that brown.

LOL, the complete opposite , I'm thinkingof adding black accents to contrast against the drap colours.

If I did add a brighter accent what do you think it should be?

I think these heads would do well for the Were-cat ones. I don't know if you can get just the head.
http://www.kraken-editions.com/en/alkemy/inhabitants-of-mornea/khaliman-republic/galery/index.html

The Good Green wrote:I think these heads would do well for the Were-cat ones. I don't know if you can get just the head.
http://www.kraken-editions.com/en/alkemy/inhabitants-of-mornea/khaliman-republic/galery/index.html

Nope. The Alkemy minis are mostly one piece minis.

Despite them being one piece I would almost buy them in order to chop em up, but as I don't plan on making a whole army of these guy I don't think I will go through the hassle of ordering them from the UK..plus the postage is more than the cost of two of the models
Thanks for the link tho Green, always appreciated

Ok so these next pics are of my Infiltration and Recon Specialist, Walks-in-Shadow, who is VERY wip.

The only thing I am sure of is that I want to keep the cut down Chainknife, its reversed hold, and to give him a crouched stance as if he is skulking forward..I'm not sure I have the stance quite right....





Sorry the head was already primed bfore I carved it off the AOBR sergeant so it's hard to see in the pic, and don't worry the chain knife is nowhere near as messy in RL as it is in the pic.

Now please don't bombard me with hate but I am seriously considering leaving the shoulderpads off this guy..I know, I know, its wrong in so many ways but hear me out.

I want this Walks-in-Shadow to look as sleek and ninja like as possible and by leaving the shoulderpads off he has a much leaner silloutte. I plan to add a shallow rim to the edges of the existing shoulder to make it resemble a normal shoulderpad without the bulk. Y
You may have already noticed my attempt to whittle down the lower legs into a shape that follows the calf a lot closer, again this is to give the whole model a leaner look...plus sometimes the marine legs remind me of disco flares and that kinda annoys me.

C&C is welcome, very welcome.

Cheers

BLACKHAND

i would recommend just one thing:

if said chainknife was used in combat, i think it should get twisted so that the chains face the marine than the opponent. meaning: when using a knife in a downwards swing technique the edge is mostly to one self faced?

and for your main work looks charming as hell and i realy would love to see a whole chapter done. all thumbs up grat work man!

Have you considered using scout arms on this guy?

Love the chain knife. I don't know if it's plausible, but a smaller engine would hit the spot.

As for the pose, maybe hunch him forward some.

Someone earlier mentioned the hot salt tech. I have tried it and it works out fine for stuff like repositioning tyranid tails etc. It would work fine for something like a scout pant leg or a marine hand. I would not try it with something like a marine leg unless you were going to cut out a little wedge at the back of the knee and then just bend the leg back slightly. Your work looks great BTW.

@victo von doom@ thanks for the suggestions Victor. I did in a brief moment of madness consider slicing off the chain teeth and reversing them but with the multiple joins I have already made the whole thing is getting pretty delicate! I still see him using the knife both ways as well, a knife fighter that uses a reversed hold will still flip his knife around to stab and if Wals-in-Shadow goes up against powere armour I am sure he would use the knife with theteeth facing the right way, though he would still be getting up close and personal which he likes.

@Anung un Rama - I did think of scout arms buuut...
1) I would have to buy a whole scout box to get the arms and I am on a tight leash model buying-wise.
2) I still want him to be covered in power armour to represent the 3+ save, I didn't want to get into arguements about WYSIWYG when I am already altering the armour....would have looked pretty cool though :(

@Good Green - Thanks Green I arm most of my Guard seargents with cut down chainswords, I feel that you would need power armour to swing a what is effectively a chainsaw with one hand and actually do damage. Don't know where I would find a smaller engine though.
As to the pose If I get a chance to do some work on him tonight I will post a pic of a more forward leaning stance, I still have more work to do on his legs, I am going to go all the way and try and add exposed ankle hinges and shape the calf armour even more, the more I look at the legs on a marine the more I wonder what the designers were thinking in terms of anatomy and mechanics....unless space marines are built like gibbons of course.


@senacherib - Thanks bro, I will have to start gving heat bending a go as opposed to chopping legs up, I may try it out on the Sanguinary guard open hands i have as the pose they are in is not quite natural.

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Ok buds, I'm afraid it's been a long week and tonight I just wanted a project that was a bit of fun...So I have had a go at a conversion that everyone seemed to want done...



....Say hello to the greatest Vindicare Assasin of the Officio Assassinorum, Codename: Deadpool!




I need to wash his rifle a bit and am tempted to file even more off his head to get a thinner profile but that's all I'm up for tonight.

C&C welcome!


Cheers,

BLACKHAND

holy crap.... that deadpool is amazing looking. keep up this awesomeness

That deadpool is the business. Has this become a fav comic character request blog?

In that case I want a Marv from Sin City, Cassidy from Preacher, and Rick from the walking dead. Or an amalgamation of all three could be kewl.

Haha, Nah it's just a schizoid thread is all, can't decide between the marvel Brotherhood and Native american marines...screw it they can be both!

TBH a collection of comic characters lends itself to a 'munda gang more than a marine chapter........

BLACKHAND wrote:Haha, Nah it's just a schizoid thread is all, can't decide between the marvel Brotherhood and Native american marines...screw it they can be both!

TBH a collection of comic characters lends itself to a 'munda gang more than a marine chapter........

Your doing North American Indian marines! Dang! I had that in the pipeline thinking it was original!

Always room for two chapters with the same theme 'eadbreaka, hell it ould be nice to have another source of ideas to borrow from!

Deadpool= EPIC WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want one! No really can I comission one?

Yes! Deadpool! Great work BlackHand, i wish i saw this thread sooner. Good Luck.

tony_nids_10 wrote:I want one! No really can I comission one?

ironicly my thoughts exactly

Yay, Deadpool! This thread wins!

The vindicare pose really fit's the character. He could use a little more detail though. Try to make all the skulls on the model into the Deadpool Logo. You know, like the one on his belt buckle.



I would also paint the belts brown to get a little more color on the model. And let me know if you find Katanas in the right scale.

Very cool Blackhand. Must admit I haven't kept up with comics for a long while. My era would be more like Thor/Spidey/IronMan/Hulk. My favorite was Ghost Rider... make a pretty cool chaplain on a bike wouldn't you think?

HAHAHA! Well BLACKHAND, I think you're going to get way more requests than anything else now!

I really do like the direction you are going with the Sabertooth SMs. I cant wait to see some more done.

Man I've opened a can of worms now huh?

@Agro - Thanks man!

@tony_nids - Its' a pretty easy conversion, the hardest part was working up the courage to carve up the head of a $20+ model

@Ultra_mortalitas - Glad you finally found the thread bud

@TyraelVladinhurst - What I sad to Tony_nids

@Anung un Rama - The skulls would be easy to convert but I will need a new brush to do the detailing, brown on the belts is easy, but dude, do you know hard it is to find katana in the right scale? I saw some on a blog the other day and the guy said they were confrontation goblin swords but I can't track them down, he was using them on tau they looked great. Any one who finds them online feel free to drop me a post!

@Gitsplitta - Thanks man, you should really try and track down some Deadpool comics, he's a great combination of deadly killer and total smartass, kinda like spidey on crack. Oh and thanks SO much for putting the ghost rider idea in my head, I don't read the comics, I have no use for him in an army but now I will probably build one anyway...my painfully empty wallet says thank you also

@tony_nids again - Thanks for mentioning the Sabertooth SMs and yeah I'm liking how they are turning out too. Having a bit of trouble biggerising a set of legs for the pride leader but I think it will be worth the hassle to add more variation to the vanilla marine poses.

It's funny I always liked the look of marines until I bought some and started trying to pose them in a realistic and characterful way...now I realise that the standard tac marine is made to be a rank and file trooper, not the individual elite warrior the fluff makes them out to be. I understand the theory that a unit of toally unique models looks chaotic but with a unit cap of around 10 models would these really be the case with marines? I feel there is a real gap between the fluff and the modelling possibilites when it comes SM, I for one would like to see GW do a pack of arms and legs in different poses (at rest, leaping, etc..) that would allow everyone, not just manic converters with too much time ) to create an army that reflects their vision. Sorry rant over

Cheers,

BLACKHAND

Well, I didn't mean to suggest that you had to do him for your boys... You should stick to your theme. I was just musing on the topic in general. Your wallet is safe my friend... at least from that idea!

Ghost rider just screams attack bike... with flaming wheels of course

Tell me about it. I need a whole bunch for my Mordhiem Gang not to mention the fact that I would really like to see said Confrontation Goblins in that gang as well.

Not to mention my stil very wip Turtle model. ^^

Grab a lego Katana and cut it down a bit (or dont!) and you should be golden!

You should make a speech bubble for deadpool out of plasticard. Make sure it's yellow.

In all seriousness, the deadpool conversion looks amazing. Although maybe you should make him with a knife stuck through his head.

Chimichanga!

tony_nids_10 wrote:Ghost rider just screams attack bike... with flaming wheels of course

you mean doomrider from chaos codex Ver 3?

No I mean Ghost Rider, flaming spirit of vengence.

I wonder if you can give Legion of the Damned sergeants bikes?.....

BLACKHAND wrote:I wonder if you can give Legion of the Damned sergeants bikes?.....

doesn't look like you can, which is ashame

If you had a LotD army you could do whatever you wanted!

tony_nids_10 wrote:No I mean Ghost Rider, flaming spirit of vengence.

No, I think you really subconsciously mean Doomrider, cocaine-fueled, rider of Slaanesh;

Not to hijack the thread any further, but there is nothing better than a slaanesh cod peice haha

So I have a couple of WIP pics of Walks-in-Shadow's legs, again these are cut down legs designed to give him less bulk and more movement.

I figured the thick shin/ankle armour covers a reinforced joint and as I have cut down the armour there I added a peice of plastic rod to represent the joint.





and don't worry they don't stick out as much as it looks like in the pics



On other news I have decided to scrap my experiment in biggerising a set of legs as they ended up waaay to long and thin, and next to the other marines the pride leader looks like he is wearing stilts..so I am thinking of picking up some terminator legs and seeing if they will work out, anyone had any success using termie legs to bulk up a normal marine?

Cheers

BLACKHAND

amazing work as always, i may have to borrow your torso idea for my pre heresy night lord sternguard units

No worries Tyrael' borrow away

BLACKHAND wrote:anyone had any success using termie legs to bulk up a normal marine?

Hey man, that's exactly what I've done with my Vanguard model. Give me a day and I'll take a side-by-side pic and post it for you.

Really nice, i love the torsos

I love the ankle joint. Good thinking and well done.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about the models. They are moving away from arms and legs sprues for the orks/goblins and beastmen too. It's lousy. Are you listening GW? No? :/ didn't think so...

Anyhoo, great work on the torso in this new model, too.

thanks for the comments guys, I'm glad people are liking the torso.

No pics this post as I spent the short time I had last night GSing "purity feathers", teeth, beads and other native american gubbins on to legs and torsos, nothing huge but its the little touches that will make them stand as a chapter in their own right as opposed to standard tac marines with a different name.

Cheers,

BLACKHAND

They're looking really good so far and I can't wait to see the recent GS work you've been doing. I totally agree that the little things will set these boys apart from other chapters.

All the best,

tsd

Hey, true-scale/ embiggened/ biggerised (etc!) marines look sweet with termie legs. For some great examples check out Migsula's Alpha Legion, Sersi's True-scale black templars log, or Apologist's 'Praetor's of Calth' log for a detailed how to. Good luck and I eagerly await the results.

Oh, and I musn't forget to say, great work!! The whole concept for these marines is amazing!!

Blackhand, here's the pic showing my Vanguard prototype with terminator legs vs. a black reach marine w/ normal legs. Unfortunately the vanguard melted after a week in pine sol, but you can see the size and mass comparison, and I know you've seen the unmelted figure on my blog. It gains you 1/2 to 3/4 head in height and considerable mass. I do not like the reenforcements on the legs though and plan on filing them off in the rebuild (they completely destroy my ability to blend the colors by over-compartmentalizing the leg armor.

Thanks splitta, the pic helps (bummer about the pinesol ) I will probably end up taking out the supports as well as I plan on adding a disc of plasticard to add even more height. Have you tried a product called "simple green" for stripping plastic, models never melt, I've had some marines in it for like hree months and they are still whole.

@soupdragon - Thanks for the comments, I think we will have to keep in contact as both our chapters progress. Best thing about Dakka is being able share ideas like this.

@vitruvian - I'll definitely look up those threads, I had heard you need to begin with termie legs when scaling up but now that I look at the results of lengthening nortmal marine legs I understand why. They just don't have the bulk to upscale well and if you are using like $10 worth of GS to get the shape you want you might as well start with termie legs anyway

Cheers, better get back to work,

BLACKHAND

Did you ever come up with a chapter name?

I plan on getting a couple more of the marines painted up so the look and feel of the chapter is more defined, then posting my chapter name choices and taking a vote..with final veto power in my hands of course

course that means if anyone has anymore ideas you are welcome to post em!




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Progress!, got some actual pics for you tonight.

First off, a shot of my version of a "purity Feather" a dark angel style purity seal.



Walks-in-Shadows Lioncloth, complete with sabretooth trophy, I may add a few more bone medallions yet, I'm not sure.



Another Sabretooth, strapped to his left leg, He sure likes his trophies!



Next is a head shot, showing his black warpaint covering the lower part of his jaw.



and another shot of his que (warrior braid)



Only worry is that his black hair makes the black warpaint look like a beard, I am thinking of making his hair brown rather than black to differentiate the two.

What do you think, Native American enough? while still retaining an Astartes asthetic?

C&C very Welcome

Cheers,

BLACKHAND


PS, Man I hate automatically amended posts!!!

Very nice Blackhand... just like your other models, very characterful! He look very resolute.

And yes, I also hate automatically amended posts... I usually go begging for a bump...

looks nice Blackhand. I like the teeth but the man pony tail thing needs to be a different colour, just don't let anybody cut Walks-in-Shadow's hair or he can't go back to the forbiden city, even if he gets the Emperor's gold back.

Neat stuff!

I agree the war paint defiantly looks a little too much like a beard other then that awesome I particularly like the sabre tooth trophies

I like the idea of all those little extras, very original

@gitsplitta - I considered asking around for a bump but it was late and I'm lazy, so very lazy...

@comissar Agro - Yeah I will definitely change the colour of the que...and thanks now I will never be able to look at him without seeing Jackie Fricken Chan!

@c0un7_z3r0 - Thanks!

@Listrel - Hopefully by putting warpaint on the other squad members the warpaint on this guy will be seen in cntext, otherwise I can always repaint him.

@young_logan - Thanks man, the great thing about the teeth is that they are just kroot spines and GS, a lot easier than sculpting the whole thing Course now I am trying to think of a way to build a bead chestplate thing and have a feeling thats going to be a stone cold bi7ch.

Thanks for the feedback,

BLACKHAND

Hi Blackhand,

I really like the feathered purity seals and the trophies. The extra details are certainly setting your boys apart from the ordinary, it's giving me a few ideas for my chaps...

I think the black hair may still work with the warpaint being when it's in context with the whole squad. I'll be very interested to see them all together because I think the black will contrast nicely with the overall scheme.

Cheers,

tsd

Your work has so much character. I love the purity feathers.

Purity feathers are nice.

And when I saw the saberteeth I kept thinking 'well, if he gets into a nasty bout of CC they won't need the standard issue combat knives...'. Seriously, I can see a chapter like that making and using custom knives from their hunting trophies. Maybe the challenge for those attempting to become initiates is to kill a sabertooth and bring back the fangs (don't salamanders have to do something similar?) which is what their daggers are made from.

Are you fluffing them as a Space Wolf successor or a completely different chapter using the counts as ruling? Was trying to give a chapter name suggestion and this was causing me some difficulty.

CHEERS

I don't usually post in these sorts of threads but this project is coming along so nicely, I couldn't resist. Excellent job!

Please, please, please tell me you're playing these guys with SW rules! And please tell me you're laying out their fluff as a SW successor! If you want any help with their fluff, please don't be shy--I'd love to help. Hell, I might even write some stuff up spontaneously.

As for their name: Feral Hearts, Primal Hearts, Savagers, Savage Fangs, Ripclaws, Wildclaws, Wildfangs, Primevals, Shamans, Fang Shamans, etc.

I would avoid anything with tooth. It'd be silly to refer to a group of Sabretooth warriors as the Sabreteeth.

@soupdragon - Thanks bud, I'm glad you like em, I'm hoping the warpaint comes off well but as you say I think we will know when a few more marines are finished.

@tony_nids - Thanks!

@morgrim - Yeah the idea of an initiate hunting a sabretooth is definitely what I was thinking, very mucc in the vein of the space wolves. I also found a kitset sabretooth skeleton which I am going to incorporate into some secenery at some point..the best bit is the size of it, in the marine scale it would be about 30m long, the idea of marines hunting and killing massive sabretooth and mammoth for fun is pretty cool and it ties into the "lone wolf" idea of a marine that is only concerned with hunting monstrous creatures.

@effendi - Thanks and yes the chapter is a space wolf successor..only space wolves would be nuts enough to found a successor chapter on a planet covered in giant sabretooth lions and other paleolithic monsters.

@manchu - Wow, glad you posted! and yes they are using SW rules and are a SW successor chapter. They are based on a planet covered in plains, that varies between baking summer heat and icelocked winters. They chose the planet for the hunting (cave bear, mammoth and of course sabreteeth) and over the thousands of years have taken on the sabretooth as their totem as opposed to the wolf. If you feel like writing fluff , fluff away! I'm generally useless at writing fiction though I have sketchy backstories for some of the squad members, again feel welcome to post up anything you come up with, oh and thanks for the names I will add them to my list of chapter names and yes don't worry I don't think they will end up as the sabreteeth
Cheers,

BLACKHAND

TBH, I could also see these guys as genetically aberrant White Scars successors.

"The Nomads"

Off topic slightly, but I was looking up synonyms for cat online and it came up with termagant for one of them. All I could think was Genestealer Cult...Call the Inquisition.

You are now under THEIR scrutiny.

CHEERS

(RussCats)

Just some sketches:

I'd see them as White Scars led by a very ambitious commander who was passed up for Master of the Hunt. He therefore illicitly veered a strike cruiser off course to pursue one of the big bads on the WS most wanted list but ran smack into a trap: when he came out of Warp over an unknown planet, he encounters a small Chaos battlegroup rather than a single vessel. Luckily, the commander is dab hand at his job and proceeds to destroy a couple of Chaos ships and--in an intended act of final desperation--rams his own cruiser into the Chaos flagship. As the two vessels plummet into atmosphere, Marines and Traitors launch simultaneous boarding actions. The fighting reaches a fever pitch as both ships crash. Heedless of their cataclysmic surroundings, the demigods continue to grapple. But the tide is turning in favor of the Traitors.

Suddenly lithe-limbed aliens stream into the battlefield wreckage, felling Chaos Space Marines left and right. It turns out the planet is a Maiden World and the WS's unlikely saviours are Exodites. The Marines regroup and ultimately the SM commander faces off against the Chaos Lord--with the result of the Chaos Lord's head being taken for the Chapter's honor. Although his Marines urge him to pursue and annihilate the mysterious Exodites, the reckless SM commander finally sobers up and realizes he now has no means to return to Chogoris in glory with his prize. Instead of chasing the Exodites, the Marines set about to salvaging the wreckage into a makeshift fortress. The apothecarion equipment has thankfully survived but all communications are out except for the long-range distress beacon. The Marines face being cut off from the Imperium for at least centuries if not forever.


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And so the decades and eventually centuries pass with nary a sign of the Exodites. But the Marines do discover nomadic tribes of tough humans who dimly remember the glory of the Emperor. From these hardy warriors, they replenish their ranks. Unfortunately, the process is not going as planned. Something is happening to their geneseed that the Maines do not fully understand. Over successive generations of warriors, each more influenced by the savage lifestyle on this feral planet than the ancient traditions of the WS, there is marked degradation. In one of his last acts, the commander uses genetic material from the top predators of what has become their prison-planet to help stabilize the mutation.

With no clear idea of what may be wrong with the "new" generation, the original WS ensure that they maintain strict leadership. Tensions develop between the old guard and the younger, indigenous Marines. This finally breaks out in an argument over whether to search for and eliminate the Exodites. But the real issue is over whether or not to abandon the WS traditions. A kind of civil war breaks out and brother fights brother--the seeming doom of Space Marines. The young traitors are eventually put down by the old guard with the help of young loyalists but the price is heavy--the traitors have destroyed the cogitator units housing the chapter histories and traditions, many of the chapter relics that had been salvaged from the wrecks, and the final surviving original WS. Aghast at these terrible struggles, the native humans go into hiding and are unwilling to deal with the surviving Marines.

Thanks for the effort Manchu! I like the idea of a group of marines being cut off from the imperium and being forced to build their chapter from scratch.

couple of questions.

If it's a maiden world would the burgeoning chapter get into trouble with the exodites?

How would a chapter grow without a human population to draw recruits from?

And why White Scars, I don't know much about them other than they use a lot of bikes, I get the idea they nomadic hunters though, is that right?

Thanks again for the effort in writing some background for the aas yet un-named chapter, it's given me lots to think about!

To make matters worse, the Exodites reappear and begin harassing the Marines. After some hard-won victories, the Marines discover that the Exodites had been systematically but subtly wiping out the human tribes during the Marine civil war. The Marines, too busy with their internal strife, had not even noticed the xenos threat. They begin to attack and eventually massacre the Exodites. Finally, they come upon the ancient ruins of what they cannot know is an ancient webway gate. The device is damaged and bends the Warp toward this location, allowing Chaos to bleed into the material world. Perhaps this is what drew the Traitor Marines that the White Scars had originally pursued? The Marines are at this moment attacked by swarms of warp-mutated humans, whom they duly slaughter. The experience weighs heavily on them as they reflect upon their own problematic geneseed.

Encountering no more Exodites or mutants, they leave the site and proceed to winning back the confidence of the native humans by organizing and protecting them. They bend some to agriculture and begin creating permanent, defensible settlements. Others are allowed to continue their nomadic warrior existence and it is from these that they recruit. All the while, they keep a careful watch on mutation amongst themselves and their human serfs--culling as necessary. The centuries are punctuated by the odd mutant rebellion, a rare and seemingly random Exodite incursion, and most troubling of all infrequent daemon attacks from the webway site.

I'm watching this blog progress with great interest - I must get around to starting my own one day...

Great stuff, Blackhand.

Y'know, I'm surprised you haven't made greater use of your username, as far as naming your chapter goes. Why not call them the Black Claws? You could paint their gloves black, too.

The Black Fangs might also work.

Cool Manchu, Like the idea of constant mutant attacks to sharpen the chapters claws while they are stuck on the planet. Maybe the warp gate could be the reason the animals on the planet have become so large and deadly too

@albatross - The reason I havn't used my user name in the chapter is that my Inquisition forces are named the named "The Blackhand" and yes they all have black gloves I've even modelled greenstuff black fists on their banners. you can check em out on my DH blog

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257417.page

So yeah I thought I would stay away from using the Blackhand symbology again


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Ok so I know I have said repeatedly that I only plan to build a squad of the sabretooth marines but when I saw these guys on an online auction I just couldn't resist....



...ever since I played in a doubles tourament with a marine player and got to see his two plasma cannon devastators repeatedly blow enemies to little flaming peices I wanted to have a few of my own. The chance to pick up an ENTIRE squad of them was too much to pass up.
So yeah the Sabre marines will continue for at least a little while past the first squad...please noone tell my fiance..no really please.

Sorry, I had to break off to do some things around the house.

The Marines begin to plan the destruction of the damaged webway. They believe that the Exodites are using it to wipe out the humans through genetic mutation and, in a more straight forward but dangerous tactic, summoning daemons. The Marines reason that the Exodites did not wipe out humans before because they were hardly more than stone age barbarians. But under the Marines they have grown into a strong empire. Meanwhile, they are more and more forgetful of their own true past and develop new traditions and fighting styles, relying less on their diminishing supplies of ammunition and more on melee combat. It is at this point that they adopt their new name, whatever that ends up being.

Matters pertaining to the webway gate draw to a head as a greater daemon/mutant force than ever encountered arises, sparking a decades long war. As the years stretch on, the SM and their human armies fight the threat back to the webway site. In the midst of battle, the Exodites show up and the Marines immediately redirect all efforts at slaying them, who they see as the source of the conflagration, even preferring them as targets over daemons.

At the pivotal battle between Marine hero and Exodite Archon, the Archon reveals that they did not summon the daemons. He does not know why they are here. He does not even know what the Webway is, which the Marines have by this time also forgotten (if they ever really knew). He admits to killing off humans because now that the Marines have organized them and exponentially grown their population, they have become more dangerous than ever. He says that they have always mutated, becoming more dangerous and savage than usual. In the distant past, the Exodites has pitied them and only culled their numbers like they would any other of the dangerous animal species of this world. But now that the Marines had forged a human empire, they resolved to kill all of them.


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BLACKHAND wrote:Maybe the warp gate could be the reason the animals on the planet have become so large and deadly too

Yes, that's a great idea! More to come in a minute or two or ten.


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In unfathomable rage, the Marine Hero breaks the Exodite Archon and proceeds to wipe the Eldar from the rest of the planet. The Marines finally realize the horrible truth of their genetic divergence: There was never anything wrong with the original WS geneseed. The mutations were endemic to the population from which the WS recruited. It was not until the SW commander tinkered with the WS geneseed that anything was corrupt about it. Furthermore, by using the genetic material of the tainted planet's Sabretoothed monsters--themselves mutated by the Warp--he corrupted the once pure geneseed of the Great Khan with Chaos itself!

Really original idea, Blackhand. Gotta give it to you, and consider to torso idea taken yet again.

Things begin to look bleak in the war between Man and Daemon. The Marines begin to feel the lack of their original traditions, the lack of an identity, the lack of the theological organizational tenants that keep Chapters fit in mind body and spirit. Their demoralization bleeds into their merely human armies and this, combined with a surge in the daemonic numbers, turns the tide. But a few Marine warriors begin to revive the old stories about the Great Hunter Who Rules The Skies. Stories alone, however, will be of little use against the Ruinous Powers.

In these dark days, contact with the Imperium is finally re-established. Logan Grimnar himself has stumbled across the ancient distress beacon and happened to be close enough to respond. The Wolves descend on the planet, discover their long lost brothers, and stymie the daemonic incursion. Perhaps unlike certain other chapters, the SW can sympathize with the plight of the stranded, tainted Marines. Grimnar helps to further stabilize their geneseed.

Anyway, the point is that the Wolves help them rebuild after the WS reject them as too divergent to be brothers. Grimnar teaches them SW tactics and organization, basically adopting them as a successor.

That's all I have.

Manchu wrote:

That's all I have.

Really ? thats all ? Only like a whole page of text? for shame!!

Pretty amazing stuff Manchu, where did it all come from? Or did something in my models shout "lost White Scars horribly mutated chaos geneseed repatriated by Russ into a loyalist chapter"?

Can't thank you enough for taking the time to give my chapter a history, definitely a history much more interesting and angst ridden than one I had imagined but suitably epic!

Will be interesting to see what the other FLuff-Centrics think, I'm always up for "healthy" debate on my blogs

Cheers and thanks,

BLACKHAND

Sorry if it was a tad anticlimactic. The Sw-to-Sabreteeth straight line seemed too boring for these guys.

LOL, anticlimactic?

I guess the steady decline of their entire planet in chaotic ruin and subsequent salvation from entropy by Russ himself is SLIGHTY less epic than a centuries long war against chaos spawn and eldar exodites.....but only slightly

Great sounding fluff, orgianl and different.
good work Manchu.

MOAR MODELS!!!!!!!!!
hehehe lol, maybe you should change his name to something to do with jacki chan...lol i joke, don't do it

And on the modelling front...

I am chipping away on the paintjob on Walks-in-Shadow, He is nearly all blocked in, I plan on adding more than the usual amount of brown in the hope of adding to the stealth element.

I have finished all the GS additions to my Melta Specialist, Eats-the-Sun, and I should be able to be move onto painting him by the end of the weekend heres a few pics







He has the most "out of the box" legs of the whole squad, I figured the meltagun was going to take most of the focus anyway, still added a his fair share of trophies and have still to add the fur "mane" that all the sabretooth marines will have in one form or another

Work on the models will be slow over the next few days due a stubborn cold (sneezing with brush in hand is not productive!) and to the annual tournament our club holds, I am helping organizing the event but may still get roped in to make up the numbers in the event of an uneven number of people wanting to attend, in that case my Blackhand Guard will trudge wearily onto the field for another repeated ass-whipping,

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Good ideas here! keep it up!

Very nice, thats a lot of plasma youve got

The shoulders look grrrrreat! No, seriously, they look really cool.

this is an amazing thread, good work. I like the color scheme. Big Up

@mindfield - Thanks man!

@young_logan - You gotta love plasma!

@Anung un Rama - Long time no post! and I see you have a new face, congratulations

@scrazza - thanks scrazza, I didn't think I was going to like such a relatively bright colour scheme but I'm really starting to warm to the little tan bastards.

Cheers

BLACKHAND

I post when I feel the need to. Speaking of which...

SCIENCE!!!

I'm really liking the look of Eats-the-Sun. Although you mention the out of the box legs thing, I think the details on the rest of him, and even the little extras like the feather purity seal on the legs themselves, are more than enough to make him look unique.

Grand work as always my friend, simply grand.

tsd

I love the shoulder pads BLACKHAND! I agree about not being sure about the color scheme but they really look great!

sorry if this was already linked to, but:
http://www.maxmini.eu/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=97&zenid=324f71f06b3f2268e73c0ef4ccb65780
This link might do you some good, also for some reason I think having a sabretooth marine lunging at a extremely surprised dog would be a funny objective marker.

That guy is super cool! The detail work is beautiful.

@hadoukenAvenger - Thanks for the link, those heads a pretty cool, If I end up taking the route of lots of small squads with tonnes of wulfen I will definitlely get a few, cheers!

@the good green - Thanks bud, I really want to try and build in as much character into every model as possible

Sorry guys have gotten no work done this weekend due to a tournament and study, but I will get back into it this week I promise!

Cheers,

BLACKHAND


Oh and if you want to see how the tournament went check out my inquisition blog

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/257417.page


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Oh yeah 10,000 views !!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOT!!!!!!!!

Congratulations mate. keep up the good work.

Sorry guys, have been busy with my new baneblade but it's nearly finished so I 'm back to marines (until my 3 second hand leman russes arrive ) I havn't totally ignored the sabretooth marines and have a new model to show you.

This is my Lion Guard (wolf guard counts as) Red Bison.



The head is just a place holder till I find something with a bit more character

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Maybe I'm way off here BLACKHAND, but I like that head. It looks menacing and affords the proper fear and respect.

Fair enough tony_nids, I just wanted to go with a tribal look as much as possible, mayby I can add another braid with some feathers to the head to give the right feel..back to the work table!

I think that head is awesome on the model, but I can also understand wanting the more primal looking head. Very hardcore looking guy, congrats!

Excellent work Blackhand... just as stirring as the rest.

Keep that head, add a big azz scar down his eye. Would make a very "to hell and back" look, perfect for a guard.

You could do some deep gouges just at the edge of the mask coming upwards, make it look like he got badly clawed by one of the sabertooth cats?

I think the head works. Overall a good looking model.

LOL, Ok the head will stay, I will attempt a bit of scarring and battle damage and will get a pic up tomorrow.

I will also have a WIP shot of my Wulfen as I have abandoned hope of getting a set of Ghoul claws for him and have gone with a half open left hand and a right hand with a tomahawk, I know it's not exactly feral but I want to get him finished eventually.

Thanks for the feedback guys

BLACKHAND

Mee-yow! I like it!

Yummy!

I like the head.
nice shoulder pads as well. makes him very imposing over the others

I suggest using the Devastator Sergeant head that is half metallic and half flesh, would give that ravaged/bad ass look that would suit.

They are coming along very nice blackhand! I especially like the tribal feel of the talismans and such, very cool. Keep it up

BLACKHAND wrote:Sorry guys, have been busy with my new baneblade but it's nearly finished so I 'm back to marines (until my 3 second hand leman russes arrive ) I havn't totally ignored the sabretooth marines and have a new model to show you.

This is my Lion Guard (wolf guard counts as) Red Bison.



The head is just a place holder till I find something with a bit more character

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Have you looked at the the BA sanguinary guard torso's?

Thanks for all the positive feedback again guys, its really helped get me back to my marines after getting tank fever

@ commisar agro - He is also about a head taller than a normal trooper due to his termie legs

@winter -I've already used that head on my melta squaddie

@brummieD - I find the sanguinary guard are a bit too ornate for the tribal theme I'm going for.

So here are some pics of the work I've done so far on the wulfen model





and my painting so far on Red Bison



and a close up of the freshly scarred head



C&C welcome!

Cheers'

BLACKHAND

Absolutely love the way the gashes go from the metal part of the lower helm onto the head... man, how do you put that all together in your mind before executing it on the figure??

Color me impressed.

I just imagined a claw of some kind hacking at his face and voila....

....there is also an aspect of just having a go and seeing how it comes out

@brummieD - I find the sanguinary guard are a bit too ornate for the tribal theme I'm going for.

I see what you did there.

I love the scars on his head.
The wulfen looks like another total badass, dam they all are badass

@rama & Agro - Thanks! (In Rama's case, I think?)

Okay Dokay, So I stated earlier in the thread that I was holding off on naming the chapter till I had more models painted and I could show my theme properly and as I have 5 marines painted now I am going to open up the plog for a suggestionpalooza (yes that is a word).

first off the boys I have so far......



... now that you have an idea of what I'm going for

After trawling through the entire thread I have these chapter name suggestions :

Sabre Legion

Emporer's Fangs

The Nomads

Emporer's Pride

Huntmasters

Now I ask you, my most excellent and tasteful readers, to post a vote for any of these chapter names or to suggest another (if suggesting a new name keep in mind the Native American/sabretooth totem theme)

I will try and make a decision next weekend....or sometime very soon after that...I think

Cheers

BLACKHAND

I vote for Emporer's Pride. It has a cool ring to the name!

Oh, come on....

SPACE LIONS!

Out of the options presented, I like Sabre Legion the best, but I can't shake the nagging feeling that there's something better out there. Let me mull it over... maybe someone else will hit on it in the meantime.

I like Emp fangs, mostly cuz I came up with it, lol.

Nice work BH, they look really cool. Imo they could use a little more color though. Maybe some red markings or something like that.

Out of the 5 names I like Sabre Legion the best, but they're not really a legion, are they? ^^

I dont think emporers pride would fit the chapter. Seeing as he's the head of the imperium, would he really be 'proud' of a group of debased marines with a corrupted gene sede?

Huntmasters doesnt seem to work either....not sure why exactly, but it doesnt have a nice ring to it.

Nomads whilst fits the theme isn't suitably heroic enough for speace marines IMO

Sabre legion and emporers fangs seems pretty good.

That's one awesome Avatar ghosty.

Ok, I'm just throwing out an idea here. But they're obviously a space wolfs secondary correct? Why not run through some heresy fluff find a heresy era wolf who's name sounded really saber tooth like and name them the sons of him? I only say this cause i feel that there's a better name out there for these baddies then the ones listed. Not to offend.

In marvel comix the name of sabertooth is Victor Creed,

i suggest that in tribute to both the emperor and sabertooth the chapter could be named emperors creed or likewise creed of the emperor...

Viktor von Domm wrote:In marvel comix the name of sabertooth is Victor Creed,

i suggest that in tribute to both the emperor and sabertooth the chapter could be named emperors creed or likewise creed of the emperor...

Not to sound repetitive but how about "The Sons Of Creed".

Lol creeeeeeed! ehrm, no but I agree with the sons of "something" would fit them well.

lol why?

I already made a Creed joke in this thread guys. Move along.

I may be wrong but I think by Emperor's Pride he meant like a group of large cats type of pride, not a "hey good job son" type of pride.

tony_nids_10 wrote:I may be wrong but I think by Emperor's Pride he meant like a group of large cats type of pride, not a "hey good job son" type of pride.

ROFL! Agreed, but double meanings are always fun.

Those are my fav meaning!

Sons of Smilodon?

Warband of the Sabre Teeth?


Eh... don't really like either of those but I'm looking for something that has both Native American and smilodon influences.

tony_nids_10 wrote:I may be wrong but I think by Emperor's Pride he meant like a group of large cats type of pride, not a "hey good job son" type of pride.

Suddenly, The Lion King makes so much more sense...

LOL, how quickly a thread can degenerate

Keep it up guys, I can't wait to see a whole weeks worth of "discussion"!

I'm suprised no one has mentioned "braves" as a naming idea ( FYI Rama a "brave" was an american indian warrior )

though with how this discussion is going I would end up with a chapter nemaed "Sons of the Brave" which kinda sounds like a soap opera :C

Ive have a native american dictionary. Had a look through it there but it could take a long time to find something about lions or wolves! I shall continue scanning however and let you know if something comes up.

If on the other hand anyone wants a translation of a native american term im right here! haha

Newt-Of-Death wrote:Ive have a native american dictionary. Had a look through it there but it could take a long time to find something about lions or wolves! I shall continue scanning however and let you know if something comes up.

If on the other hand anyone wants a translation of a native american term im right here! haha

Coming from a Native American....please keep away from stereotypical names. Being called a brave, redskin and such is really like being called a savage. I assure you I am fully civilized. Something with Sabre in it would be cool. Just not something derogatory to Native Americans.

No worries Templarboy, I will stay clear of "braves" I was pretty sure it was a term coined by europeans hence not putting it in my list of chapter names

While I am taking inspiration from native americans I am trying not to make them look like stereotypes (no feather headdress'!) and would be very interested if you have any suggestions for acoutrements that would add flavour......

I like the idea of [something] Pride; the imagery of the pack of big cats hunting together works really well. And then you get the wonderful dual meaning.

I also like the old horror Wolfman pose you've got going in your wulfan model.

Newt-Of-Death wrote:Ive have a native american dictionary. Had a look through it there but it could take a long time to find something about lions or wolves! I shall continue scanning however and let you know if something comes up.

If on the other hand anyone wants a translation of a native american term im right here! haha

I don't think you'll find any term for lion.... not being native to North America 'n' all

There were definitely cougars and mountain lions in native american territory.

Is it wolves or lions your going for? and why then native american? Im not a fan of the auld comics to be honest, I just like the sabre themed marines!

I have utmost respect, historically, for native Americans, based on the spiritual teachings and connections with nature anyhow. Of course today we are rarely similar to our ancestors as the cultures of the world have much combined, otherwise half of me would be painted in sprials dancing a pagan ritual and the other would be bare chested and fat, eating boars and tending to vinyards!

I shall therefore take note of what you said templarboy. I never intend to offend!

On a more related note however I like the word sabre, so Sabre Legion sounds pretty class!

My marines are half Howling Griffons and half Crimson Fists so I just called them 'Griffon Fistage'! haha

warriors of mayhem wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:In marvel comix the name of sabertooth is Victor Creed,

i suggest that in tribute to both the emperor and sabertooth the chapter could be named emperors creed or likewise creed of the emperor...

Not to sound repetitive but how about "The Sons Of Creed".

I'm putting in my 2c for "Sons of Creed" i like the sound of it.

how about the Sabre Wolves? kind of has a nice ring to it and as you are basing them of the space wolf codex it also fits. Though barring that how about Sabre Warriors?

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:how about the Sabre Wolves? kind of has a nice ring to it and as you are basing them of the space wolf codex it also fits. Though barring that how about Sabre Warriors?

Sabre Wolves? Like this guy?

Slightly of topic but an idea for names used for the squads, use "prides" if the space wolves go around in packs then shouldnt this lot with a more lionesque background go with prides as thats how they are organised in reality

@morgrim - Thanks man, I wanted the wulfen model to look like he was roaring a challenge but he looks like he's ready to break out a howl, ah well thems the breaks.

@newt of death - Yeah its lions I am going for with the naming as it will help reinforce the sabretoothed lion theme, the reason I went with Native American imagery is that I am running them as space wolves but didn't want them to be vikings but some other tribal culture. I did briefly think of doing an eagle-aztec theme or a shark-maori theme but I went with sabretooth-Native American becuase it allowed me to do Marvel Marines

@tony_nids - I know cougars are geogrphically correct but I don't want my marines to sound like a horde of 40-something women looking for younger men!

@young logan - I like the idea of prides being the name of the squads, If I don't use it in the chapter name I will definitely use it that way.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys keep em coming!

BLACKHAND

BLACKHAND wrote:I don't want my marines to sound like a horde of 40-something women looking for younger men!

Haha! Now i would pay to see an SM army modelled like that!

Latest model looks awesome. Something with pride in sounds like a winner to me. How about Pride of the Fang? (thats pretty bad, but something like that )

Lions of the Great Father

Emperor's Pussy Cats... which could by shortened to "Emperor's ... well you get the idea...

Has anyone mentioned the Thunder Cats yet? Maybe Thunder Tooth, or Thunder Fang. Bite's like a magnum...

This thread is just plain badass.

Not bad, for chapter names how's about: Sons of the Sacred Fang or Saber Guard

Thunder Cats?

That coulda made an awesome chapter symbol too actually!

This stuff is killer man, keep it up, I love the amount of detail and customization you are putting into this, really inspirational.

Gitsplitta wrote:Emperor's Pussy Cats... which could by shortened to "Emperor's ... well you get the idea...

Thank you for lowering the tone sir! the thread was almost getting stuffy and respectable

Oh and no, they will not be called the "emporer's puss...why am I even dignifiying this with a response?

@Good Green - Sorry no thunder cats, they will already look too much like them

@invention thirteen - cheers!

@Shiznas - I'm kinda liking Sacred Fangs consider it on the list!

@Mafortomm11 - Thanks a lot Major, means a lot coming from you. I check every update of your space hulk blog and its been a real inspiration for me and was one of the reasons I decided to build an army based on character not rules. Oh and I love the reds you did on your termies!

Cheers

BLACKHAND

*snicker*



Hmmm... sabre guard and sacred fangs are both good. Their "secret sign" to each other could be the John Cleese thing from Holy Grail where he's using his fingers to show the teeth on the vorpal bunny!

Am I just being dense but why not just call them the Sabres. Everyone knows they're are a chapter you don't need to have it in their name. And aren't native American names based on characteristics and not genealogies like in Europe. So that would rule out Son's of... and Emperor's..., correct me if I'm wrong Templarboy.

Gitsplitta wrote:
Hmmm... sabre guard and sacred fangs are both good. Their "secret sign" to each other could be the John Cleese thing from Holy Grail where he's using his fingers to show the teeth on the vorpal bunny!

I think I got it! how about "Sacred guard of the sabre/fang"??


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hehe or maybe not, geting desperate for a name

Lennysmash wrote:Am I just being dense but why not just call them the Sabres. Everyone knows they're are a chapter you don't need to have it in their name. And aren't native American names based on characteristics and not genealogies like in Europe. So that would rule out Son's of... and Emperor's..., correct me if I'm wrong Templarboy.

Yeah. Native American names tend to be descriptive or indicative of nature. Unfortunately, most names like "Redfeather" or "Running Brook" are toast. The "sons of" sort of thing could be descriptive. My last name is Elrick which is Scotish. My maternal Grandmother was straight off the reservation in Canada and I look like a generic American. The blood is very thin in the US. The same thing will happen with the Natives in Australia eventually.
What would be cool is to name the chapter something totally fluffy for 40k but make the models primitive. The dichotomy would be neat.

@templarboy - Australian Aborigines are quite different from Native Americans. Times are also different. Having said that 'eventually' I suppose can be a very very long time.

At OP, love the project and think the effort definately worth while. Outstanding work.

Awesome modelling, BH!

Of the chapter names suggested I like Emperor's Pride, for the dual meaning (tho genmod are out, no? or a well-kept secret?). I also like Sabre Wolves 'cause they're cooler Space Wolves and so is that name.

I think you already have it though, BLACKHAND: Sabretooth Marines. Booya.

I would stay away from Sabre Wolves myself personally as the Smilodon was feline not lupine, I think you may have already covered that.

The idea of Sabre-toothed lions for the name was bothering me, so I looked it up and as I thought, they are commonly described as Sabre-toothed tigers or cats but not as lions. Also that they are not of the same subspecies as today's big cats but have there own category; Smilodontini.

Although it does sound a little more like a trendy drink rather than a fearsome SM chapter.

Keep it up can't wait till it's finished.

Now that I understand it all I like it even more!

Always liked sabre-toothed things in cartoons before even tho Im not into comics nor half man half animal things, but the sabre theme is really cool, especially cuz your gonna use the space wolf codex!

Prides is a great way to describe them too! Would be good to some how properly reprint the space wolf codex at home and change the page art to all yellowey sandy colours and change all the names and use your models in the photos, but thats just ridiculous fantasy and everyone would probably like to do that with their own armies lol.

Get more painting and photography done!!!

What about Sabre's Pride? Maybe add some fluff about the chapter following the methods of a great warrior being named Sabre. Not like his actual name but what he was known as and what struck fear into the enemy?

Are you planning to put any tanks in, if so they would be open to all kinds of converting

Just a razorback at the moment young logan and yeah it will have scratchbuilt chapter symbols

Awsome, could we see some pics of the chapter symbol or is it still wip?

It's still very much WIP, but once I have a chapter name I will post pics of it again and get some more feedback.

There are pics of my earlier version at the beginning of this thread if you are interested

Thunder Fangs? Maybe? Meh...need coffee...

If you did decide to use fluff similar to Manchu's suggestion, you could call them Logan's Creed. A slightly mutated chapter redeemed by the decree of Logan Grimnar. And it makes a nice play on words with Weapon X/Logan and Sabertooth/Victor Creed.

Love the work.

Cheers

Hey loyal readers, sorry for the silence, my local gaming club haqs caught Necromunda fever and I have been busy organising terrain projects and helping aspiring gang leaders to scrap their first gangers from the underhive barrel and get to cracking heads!

But thats not why you are here..no you are here for Marines!

First off thanks to everyone who has posted suggestions and ideas on chapter names, its been immensely gratifying and humbling to know how many people out there are watching my little thread and have enough interest in it to make a post, thanks again!

After a weekend agonizing and consulting with friends I came up with a final list of names...

Sabre Guard

Sabre Legion

Emporer's Pride

and as is usually the case, one of the first names I had (I'm not sure where it came from, me, a friend or from the thread) kept coming to the fore, it just seemed to feel right for the chapter and rolled off the tongue so to speak.


So, finally, I decided on THE SABRE LEGION!!!

That said, the ideas from the thread have been invaluable and will be used in the army where possible.

For exmple,

Grey Hunters = Huntmasters

Squad = Pride

Lion Guard = Sabre Guard (not sure about that one yet)

Rune Priest = Sacred Fang

and my chapter master will be accompanied by an honour guard called "the Sons of Creed"

As for whats on the modelling front I am currently working on a moderately biggerised terminator as a test model for the Sabre Legion and I hope to have some pics of him up by the weekend. I hate to admit though, thanks to the necromunda explosion at the club, that work on the Legion will slow down for a while.

Don't worry, I will not forget my furry battle brothers!!


Thanks again guys for your input and positive comments

Cheers,

BLACKHAND

Go Sabre Legion!

Make sure you do a necromunda thread, would be interesting to see how your gang develops. Please?!

So I have decided to take part in the Great Marine Swap

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/305404.page

Happily it has given me a bit of inspiration for my Sabre Legion so as I post WIP shot on the marine swap forum I will double post it here as well

Heres a couple of WIP pics of the Sabre Legion Marine I am putting together for Whalemusic360,



Here he is standing atop a half buried Giant Sabretooth skull, the left leg has been cut and reposed and has the usual Sabre Legion Purity Feathers and he has the Sabre Guard shoulder pads which signify his veteran status.



this is a fairly terrible shot of his medicine bag (kroot sprue) and his various sabreteeth and feather tokens (kroot prue again - love that sprue!)

C&C is welcome as always,

that is if anyone is watching this thread after such a long silence

Cheers

BLACKHAND

I'm still here Blackhand. That marine looks great!! I really am looking forward to seeing a full armies worth of units.

As usual Blackhand, it looks amazing. My only suggestion is that I think the left foot sticks out a little much from the leg. I think more of the foot would be covered within the context of the lower leg armor... love the pose though.

Love his bulky shoulder guards, really gives him a menacing profile!

tony_nids_10 wrote:I'm still here Blackhand.

+1. Thought I was gone, didn't ya? He looks awesome, truly a piece someone would be proud to recieve in the GMS.

@Tony_nids - lol, still not sure I want to do a full army but at least the Great Marine Swap gives me the chance to model as few or as many as I want.

@Gitspltta - I know the pic makes it look like the foot is sticking WAY out there but in RL its not so bad and the back of the foot is in the same place as on the right foot, I will see how it goes when I put a basecoat on him and if it does look funny I will do a bt of surgery and move it back a couple of mls.

@Vitruvian - I wasn't sure about having the two lionpads on a normal sized marine but it seemed like the thing to do if he is going "on loan" to another chapter

@ Tim the Biovore - Good to have you here as always Tim, you don't collect marines BTW?


Thanks guys for the comments, it's been nice to have a break from Marines but I forgot how much I love adding the Sabre Legion touches to the stock marines and bringing out character... though i must say I moved so fast on this one that I forgot to name him! Maybe that honour should go to Whalemusic though?

Cheers

BLACKHAND

Don't they at least get a Rhino to cruise around in?

Well, you already have your name, but might I suggest you have a "King" instead of a Chapter Master, who pays homage ot the King of Kings? (The Emperor)

Also, a fable about how the Emperor removed a thorn from a lion's paw might not be too inappropriate, as long as there was a suitably grimdark twist of subduing said lion before removing the thorn. (The Lion would then have become the King of King's favourite pet, and eventually inspired the chapter, of course!)

References to King and Armour King from Tekken also then become possible.

Some reference to Lions as Apex Predators might be cool.

You already have Lion Guard. Presumably you will have equivalents for Blood Claws and Long Fangs, although these names barely need changing. They could potentially be something to do with manes. Short/Long manes for example. Grey Hunters could be Gold Hunters, etc, etc...

Presumably with a Native AMerican slant, you will have variants of Shamen instead of Rune Priests/Wolf Priests/Iron Priests?

Companies as Prides instead of Packs/Companies?

*Sigh* why haven't i seen this before? Love what your doing