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Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/03 18:54:44


Post by: Kanluwen


Cadian Blood doesn't begin like that.

Spoiler:
It happens MAYBE halfway through, but it's due to a *huge* turning point in the novel. It's a shift from the focus on the heretics and plague zombies on the ground...to the Death Guard arriving.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/03 19:07:22


Post by: Death By Monkeys


LOL. I'm pretty amused that it's still in there as a plot device. Thanks, Kanluwen - I always appreciate your insight into the BL novels.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/03 19:09:40


Post by: Kanluwen


I'm kinda biased though, when it comes to Cadian Blood.

Because it's frankly, the best novel I've read that wasn't a literary classic or by Jim Butcher.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/03 19:16:43


Post by: BrookM


Kanluwen wrote:GUYS! THERE'S A DEATH KORPS NOVEL COMING OUT!

http://www.blacklibrary.com/releases.php

Scroll down to December 2010.

Notice:
"Dead Men Walking". Click the image, and look above the magazine itself.
There's a piece of scrollwork saying "186th" and then below that, a Death Korps gas mask/stahlhelmet.

Awesome. This is gonna be a great year for Guard novels.
The author is gak though. And not the good kind of gak.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Kanluwen wrote:I'm kinda biased though, when it comes to Cadian Blood.

Because it's frankly, the best novel I've read that wasn't a literary classic or by Jim Butcher.
I have to agree. It has a lot of cheesy moments, like Cadians never missing a shot and that rogue of a lieutenant with the motormouth, but it really did credit to regiment and made me forget the bad stuff like Desert Warriors and Death World.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/03 19:46:56


Post by: Kanluwen


Fingers crossed he's improved then.

Oddly, I've never heard of the guy who wrote "Redemption Corps". When I googled him, it's apparently his debut novel. Which kinda/sorta worries me.

Then I remember Cadian Blood was ADB's debut novel and Emperor's Mercy was Henry Zou's...and I get a little bit less worried


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/03 20:41:31


Post by: BrookM


Gotta agree. Though both Aaron and Henry have delivered such excellent novels, especially Zou, I can't wait to read the next instalment of the Bastion Wars series. It's actually quite surprising that a newbie member to the Black Library ranks gets such an honour, to write his own series.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/03 20:51:34


Post by: Alpharius


Kanluwen wrote:I'm kinda biased though, when it comes to Cadian Blood.

Because it's frankly, the best novel I've read that wasn't a literary classic or by Jim Butcher.


Er, OK... Takes all types though, right?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/03 21:32:16


Post by: Kanluwen


Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:I'm kinda biased though, when it comes to Cadian Blood.

Because it's frankly, the best novel I've read that wasn't a literary classic or by Jim Butcher.


Er, OK... Takes all types though, right?

By that I meant:
When reading something like a 40k novel compared to say "The Dresden Files" or "Lord of the Rings", "The Iliad", etc...you usually have to put a bit of your brain in the back and just go with it. Happens with Abnett, Thorpe, and almost all their authors. You sit back and enjoy the blowing up and the warporn.

"Cadian Blood" didn't feel that way. It kept my attention and kept me interested in reading it in one sitting. I think I've read the book five or six times now.

But yeah BrookM. It's pretty neat that Zou gets his Bastion Wars series. I just wish the 88th Cadian was getting a series. Looking forward to "Soul Hunters" though.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 00:15:57


Post by: Alpharius


I was just jerkin' your chain!

BL stuff is fair to middling, with some gems in there.

I do think they're getting a bit better though...

And they are, for the most part, fun reads.

Every now and then a clunker sneaks in there though, and this should NEVER happen in the 'flagship' Horus Heresy series....


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 03:35:12


Post by: Lord of battles


I've got a question for all of you, if asuuming you want to read the prospero/space wolves books at the same time (personally I'm waiting for both) which one will you read first?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 05:07:19


Post by: Ostrakon


Lord of battles wrote:I've got a question for all of you, if asuuming you want to read the prospero/space wolves books at the same time (personally I'm waiting for both) which one will you read first?


Here's the thing.

I'm a huge 1ksons sympathizer. I don't exactly hate SW, but the whole Emperor somehow judging that Russ beats Magnus in a debate, and Russ was so singleminded that he didn't even thing to question Horus, just pisses me off.

I'll read Thousand Sons first, then Prospero Burns. I know he'll find some way of redeeming the Space wolves to me.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 07:08:35


Post by: Flachzange


Alpharius wrote:I was just jerkin' your chain!

BL stuff is fair to middling, with some gems in there.

I do think they're getting a bit better though...

And they are, for the most part, fun reads.

Every now and then a clunker sneaks in there though, and this should NEVER happen in the 'flagship' Horus Heresy series....


I absolutely agree. The quality is certainly getting better!
Horus Heresy already had its "orly" moments tho. I thought the abyss book was ... well quite frankly it was abysmal


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 09:01:39


Post by: BrookM


Ben Counter is abysmal. Daemon World was okay and so was his short story Words of Blood, but his Grey Knights, Soul Babies and HH contributions were meh, especially Battle for the Boring Plot, which is the only HH book I haven't read as of yet due to boring boring boring.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 12:46:02


Post by: Alpharius


Flachzange wrote:
Alpharius wrote:I was just jerkin' your chain!

BL stuff is fair to middling, with some gems in there.

I do think they're getting a bit better though...

And they are, for the most part, fun reads.

Every now and then a clunker sneaks in there though, and this should NEVER happen in the 'flagship' Horus Heresy series....


I absolutely agree. The quality is certainly getting better!
Horus Heresy already had its "orly" moments tho. I thought the abyss book was ... well quite frankly it was abysmal


That was the book I had in mind when I was typing...

Still can't beleive that one made it through 'editing' and 'quality co...'

nerver mind...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 13:01:05


Post by: Flachzange


BrookM wrote:Ben Counter is abysmal. Daemon World was okay and so was his short story Words of Blood, but his Grey Knights, Soul Babies and HH contributions were meh, especially Battle for the Boring Plot, which is the only HH book I haven't read as of yet due to boring boring boring.


Sad but true. Galaxy in Flames was alright. The Grey Knights books are a bit so-and-so and Sould Drinkers, they bore me to death with their weirdo over-top adventures.

Alpharius wrote:Still can't beleive that one made it through 'editing' and 'quality co...'


I see what you did there


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 15:29:16


Post by: Pyriel-


I'm actually really curious about the twist. It would have to be some small but incredibly significant detail that's never been mentioned before,

The really fun and totally unexpected twist would be to have one of the fallen primarchs change his mind about it and turn good-guys again.

To me there seemed to always be some king of attempt by GW to maintain a balance between bad and good primarchs, maybe the twist will be a means to correct that small skewed thing.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 15:42:50


Post by: Alpharius


They've kind of done that times two with LEGION.

Still, we'll see where they go from here!

I'm worried that the 'big twist' in the next two Heresy books (A THOUSAND SONS and PROSPERO BURNS) is going to be the 'shocking revelation' that the Thousand Sons were loyal and forced into rebellion (Wait, we already knew that!) and that Space Wolves are really, really savage.

Wait...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 16:24:14


Post by: Kanluwen


$20 says the "big twist" is that Leman Russ attempted to bring Magnus in, peaceably, and Magnus complied. Alpha Legion troopers guised as Thousand Sons opened fire and began what led to Prospero being purged.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 18:20:13


Post by: Alpharius


I...

...like that!

But I don't think that will be it.

Well, maybe.

Damn you!!!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 20:23:50


Post by: BrookM


Hmm, I wish I could comment but I won't. But there are some pretty good big twists and insights into the 1k Sons. Also, delicious hubris and arrogance.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/04 20:46:25


Post by: Flachzange


Kanluwen wrote:$20 says the "big twist" is that Leman Russ attempted to bring Magnus in, peaceably, and Magnus complied. Alpha Legion troopers guised as Thousand Sons opened fire and began what led to Prospero being purged.


Actually, that sounds pretty awesome.

Just finished Cadian Blood and that really was an excellent read. Id highly recommend it.
Next up is Dark Creed


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/05 13:59:55


Post by: Pyriel-


They've kind of done that times two with LEGION.

Well, not really.
All "Legion" did was tell that the alpha legion started out as good guys and went to chaos with good intentions.
They are still tainted chaos worshipers eventually.



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/05 14:30:03


Post by: reds8n


BrookM wrote:Hmm, I wish I could comment but I won't. But there are some pretty good big twists and insights into the 1k Sons. Also, delicious hubris and arrogance.


QFT. This book is well up there as one of their best IMO, tightly plotted, characters not plot devices -- hell Ahriman is interesting ! -- back story makes sense and he's folded in several existing/previous plots neatly as well.

.. Very impressed with the portrayal of the Primarchs too, and some nice red herrings..


Spoiler:
especially all the "Shrike" stuff .. or do people think that might actually come to mean something later on then ?




Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/05 15:33:39


Post by: 1hadhq


reds8n wrote:
BrookM wrote:Hmm, I wish I could comment but I won't. But there are some pretty good big twists and insights into the 1k Sons. Also, delicious hubris and arrogance.


QFT. This book is well up there as one of their best IMO, tightly plotted, characters not plot devices -- hell Ahriman is interesting ! -- back story makes sense and he's folded in several existing/previous plots neatly as well.

.. Very impressed with the portrayal of the Primarchs too, and some nice red herrings..


Spoiler:
especially all the "Shrike" stuff .. or do people think that might actually come to mean something later on then ?




Nice spoiler....so its not a pure 1k sons book?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/05 15:44:16


Post by: reds8n


No.

...

Spoiler:
We get some stuff with some human rememberancers -- who I'm sure the author at least has more plans for, the council of Nicaea..sorry I mean Nikea of course, some of the events on Ullanor, and some fighting involving the Space Wolves both on and off Prospero. It's just this version is mainly from the 1K sons POV.

The Shrike thing .. well.... you'll see !

..all that could have been..


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/09 22:30:36


Post by: Lord of battles


Black Library has a new logo!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/10 07:37:38


Post by: Flachzange


Yeah, thats been around for a few weeks now. I think brook posted that on the previous page.


Finished Dark Creed and I liked it. I went into the book sure that the CSM would take a pounding (yet again). Obviously, some things happened at a point of time where youre like: Yah sure, obviously that has to happen just around this second. Oh well, I dont wanne spoil anything, but the end was pretty good.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 15:05:35


Post by: Kanluwen


Black Library wrote: Steve Parker announces first full length Deathwatch novel for early 2011.


Awesome. Except it won't be the first "full length Deathwatch novel"...those would be C.S. Goto.

In other news, GW is officially denying Goto's existence!

WOOHOO!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 15:38:31


Post by: twistinthunder


im not sure you guys know this yet but i tweeted blacklibrary about the 4th SMB novel and it's "something to do with kadillus" so im guessing its the purging of kadillus, also after a google search its being written by gav thorpe.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 15:43:35


Post by: Alpharius


Kanluwen wrote:
Black Library wrote: Steve Parker announces first full length Deathwatch novel for early 2011.


Awesome. Except it won't be the first "full length Deathwatch novel"...those would be C.S. Goto.

In other news, GW is officially denying Goto's existence!

WOOHOO!


I see what YOU did there!

(Funny stuff!)


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 15:53:56


Post by: Kanluwen


Hey Alpharius, I didn't do it! Black Library did!

He's been sacked, and those responsible for the sacking have been sacked!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 17:22:33


Post by: Alpharius


Since you also seem to know that in order to shop smart, you need to shop S-Mart...

...I'll let it slide!

But seriously, Goto is still in the BL stable, right?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 17:52:25


Post by: BrookM


I doubt it, otherwise they would've tossed him a new project by now. He wrote too many novels in my humble opinion, all so he could write a horrible, convoluted one about his big fetish that he manages to slip into each and every novel in some form: Space Elves.

Pity that it took Goto 6+ novels to get removed, whereas the horrible Lucian Soulban could only crap out two novels before he got sacked.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 18:33:10


Post by: Kanluwen


Good fething riddance to Goto I say.

I've seen better writing on Fan Fiction Fridays on toplessrobot.com

And FFF is evil.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 21:50:27


Post by: Flachzange


Kanluwen wrote:Good fething riddance to Goto I say.

I've seen better writing on Fan Fiction Fridays on toplessrobot.com


Ill sign that any day!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 22:18:57


Post by: BrookM


The Return Of Bill King

William King has signed a major new deal with the Black Library, for a trilogy based on the high elf characters Tyrion and Teclis.

Twin brothers Tyrion and Teclis are the greatest heroes of an age, and their like will never be seen again. Prince Tyrion's skill with a blade unmatched by any living swordsmen, whilst Teclis is the most powerful mage of his generation. Set over two hundred years before the current Warhammer timeline, the new trilogy tells an origin story of these two phenomenal champions.

Head of Black Library, George Mann, said of the deal: “I’m overjoyed to be welcoming Bill King back to the Black Library, particularly with such an exciting and auspicious series. Bill has a real flair for a good story and his writing really brings the Warhammer world to life. I know people are going to adore these books.”

William King was born in Stranraer, Scotland, and is one of Black Library's best-selling authors, with sales in excess of half a million books. He started writing for Games Workshop in 1988, and later he worked in the design studio. His swords and sorcery series Gotrek & Felix and his Space Wolf novels have become a staple in the Black Library range. His short fiction has appeared in Interzone, Zenith, and a Year’s Best SF collection. He currently lives in Prague.

The deal was conducted with agent John Jarrold, and the first novel in the trilogy will be published in 2011.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/13 22:41:09


Post by: fullheadofhair


reds8n wrote:
BrookM wrote:Hmm, I wish I could comment but I won't. But there are some pretty good big twists and insights into the 1k Sons. Also, delicious hubris and arrogance.


QFT. This book is well up there as one of their best IMO, tightly plotted, characters not plot devices -- hell Ahriman is interesting ! -- back story makes sense and he's folded in several existing/previous plots neatly as well.

.. Very impressed with the portrayal of the Primarchs too, and some nice red herrings..


Spoiler:
especially all the "Shrike" stuff .. or do people think that might actually come to mean something later on then ?




Well I thought it was fair to middling at best. Frankly the first 5 or 6 chapters were a struggle. And people, putting an apostrophere in the middle of a name does not, I repeat, does not make it sound interesting - ask J'oe Sm'ith.

The actually attack was quite well written, but the suck factor in many parts of this book is quite high. Does BL pay by the word, because that would explain the length of the novel.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/14 12:33:53


Post by: reds8n


from Warseer, thanks to Mr. Ph4lanx

Black Library have some stunning stuff coming up that I thought you would all appreciate:

- They are re-releasing "The Dark King/The Lightning Tower" audiobook in May.
- They are releasing "Fireborn" (Salamander audiobook) in June.
- They are releasing "Throne of Lies" (Night Lords audiobook) in August.
- There is going to be a middle of the year release on a VERY special Sabbat Worlds book in which Dan Abnett invites some of his closest friends in author circles to pen a short story to go into an anthology based on the worlds that have been covered so far in the Gaunt's Ghosts series.
- There are going to be new LIMITED EDITION novellas released in 2010 at random intervals which will be signed by the author by hand, limited in number (manually numbered), have colour and/or sketchwork included, come in hardback form and will never again be released. So far the two confirmed are "Iron Warrior" by Graham McNeill in February and "Daenyathos" by Ben Counter in June.

Aaron Dembski-Bowden revealed that there is a planned trilogy of Night Lords books in the works following on from Soul Hunter, but ideally he has pencilled 6 for the series! (This was found out during a very personal sitting with him (only 15 of us got to meet him on a personal level)).

James Swallow also revealed that he is working on not one, not two, but THREE audio books. The first is called "Iron & Bone" (working title) and is an audio book designed as a prequel to his Sisters of Battle book, "Faith & Fire". The second and third audio books deal with the Horus Heresy, and what happened to Captain Garro at the end of "Flight of the Eisenstein". Apparently it's far too good to put on one audio book.

There is also more general news that Black Library is considering full length novels in the form of audio books.




Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/14 12:44:10


Post by: BrookM


They've really acquired a taste for audio books.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/14 13:54:07


Post by: sonofruss


The last White Dwarf had something about a space wolves audio book as well.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/14 15:13:57


Post by: Alpharius


fullheadofhair wrote:
reds8n wrote:
BrookM wrote:Hmm, I wish I could comment but I won't. But there are some pretty good big twists and insights into the 1k Sons. Also, delicious hubris and arrogance.


QFT. This book is well up there as one of their best IMO, tightly plotted, characters not plot devices -- hell Ahriman is interesting ! -- back story makes sense and he's folded in several existing/previous plots neatly as well.

.. Very impressed with the portrayal of the Primarchs too, and some nice red herrings..


Spoiler:
especially all the "Shrike" stuff .. or do people think that might actually come to mean something later on then ?




Well I thought it was fair to middling at best. Frankly the first 5 or 6 chapters were a struggle. And people, putting an apostrophere in the middle of a name does not, I repeat, does not make it sound interesting - ask J'oe Sm'ith.


What?!?

They copied this tired gimmick from the Salamanders book?

Lame.

Please tell me that he doesn't also use the word "pauldron" one thou'sand times too!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/14 18:35:10


Post by: fullheadofhair


Alpharius wrote:
fullheadofhair wrote:
reds8n wrote:
BrookM wrote:Hmm, I wish I could comment but I won't. But there are some pretty good big twists and insights into the 1k Sons. Also, delicious hubris and arrogance.


QFT. This book is well up there as one of their best IMO, tightly plotted, characters not plot devices -- hell Ahriman is interesting ! -- back story makes sense and he's folded in several existing/previous plots neatly as well.

.. Very impressed with the portrayal of the Primarchs too, and some nice red herrings..


Spoiler:
especially all the "Shrike" stuff .. or do people think that might actually come to mean something later on then ?




Well I thought it was fair to middling at best. Frankly the first 5 or 6 chapters were a struggle. And people, putting an apostrophere in the middle of a name does not, I repeat, does not make it sound interesting - ask J'oe Sm'ith.


What?!?

They copied this tired gimmick from the Salamanders book?

Lame.

Please tell me that he doesn't also use the word "pauldron" one thou'sand times too!


Not so much, but there is a fair reuse of the world "great ocean" for the warp.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/14 21:25:44


Post by: Alpharius


Each author does seem to get stuck on a 'favorite' word or phrase in many BL books.

It may not seem obvious to them, but it does to us!

And probably would to an editor too...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/14 21:44:17


Post by: Kanluwen


...Are you really complaining about comparing a vast emptiness of space which has Void Whales to an ocean?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/14 21:44:17


Post by: Lord of battles


reds8n wrote:
- There are going to be new LIMITED EDITION novellas released in 2010 at random intervals which will be signed by the author by hand, limited in number (manually numbered), have colour and/or sketchwork included, come in hardback form and will never again be released. So far the two confirmed are "Iron Warrior" by Graham McNeill in February and "Daenyathos" by Ben Counter in June.


I guess it is going to be the Catechisms Martial he is always referencing in the soul drinker books
cool!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/14 23:51:24


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Nice to hear Bill King is back, he was one of the originals along with Ian Watson and think GW was poorer for his departure.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/15 05:38:19


Post by: chaplaingrabthar


I wonder if Bill King is going to do any more Space Wolf or Gotrek & Felix Novels after the Elven twins trilogy (will that be Time of Legends?)


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/15 05:39:30


Post by: Kanluwen


It'd be more recent than Time of Legends.

Teclis/Tyrion came into their own in(I think) the time of Magnus.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/15 22:13:48


Post by: Lord of battles


chaplaingrabthar wrote:I wonder if Bill King is going to do any more Space Wolf or Gotrek & Felix Novels after the Elven twins trilogy (will that be Time of Legends?)

Kanluwen wrote:It'd be more recent than Time of Legends.

Teclis/Tyrion came into their own in(I think) the time of Magnus.

No it will probably be with the warhammer heroes series, They are too new to be time of legends


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/15 22:32:41


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


chaplaingrabthar wrote:I wonder if Bill King is going to do any more Space Wolf or Gotrek & Felix Novels after the Elven twins trilogy (will that be Time of Legends?)


I bloody hope not. The Slayer series has been all the better for his departure. Good books like, but so, so formulaic. They get in a fight. Gotrek gets stuck in. Felix stabs up under the ribcage, gives a twist, enemy falls on him, Gotrek rescues him. Nathan Long has imho breathed new life into the series. Looking forward to Zombieslayer!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/15 22:40:20


Post by: reds8n


I agree, I dig the earlier F & G books, but by the time Giantslayer came about I felt they were a bit phoned in, so to speak.

Mr. Long has done fine work with the characters IMO, few misteps along the way in his first couple of books but after that it's all pretty good.

YMMV of course.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/15 22:43:44


Post by: Kanluwen


Lord of battles wrote:
chaplaingrabthar wrote:I wonder if Bill King is going to do any more Space Wolf or Gotrek & Felix Novels after the Elven twins trilogy (will that be Time of Legends?)

Kanluwen wrote:It'd be more recent than Time of Legends.

Teclis/Tyrion came into their own in(I think) the time of Magnus.

No it will probably be with the warhammer heroes series, They are too new to be time of legends


"More recent than Time of Legends", mate.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/16 08:42:33


Post by: reds8n


Proper chaos marine !

[Thumb - blood gorgons.jpg]


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/16 09:05:28


Post by: BrookM


I do wonder how he will portray them.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/16 09:09:17


Post by: Flachzange


That looks good!
I have yet to read a Henry Zou book, but feedback for him has been pretty good so far.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/16 12:12:57


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Good to hear Bill King is back.

"I like your idea of fun manling, maybe I'll have some of my own..." remains a favourite line of mine (from the short story Wolf Riders, first introducing G&F).

Now...
Bring back Jack Yeovil (Kim Newman). Drachenfels was a work of genius.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/16 13:42:53


Post by: Flachzange


MeanGreenStompa wrote:Good to hear Bill King is back.

"I like your idea of fun manling, maybe I'll have some of my own..." remains a favourite line of mine (from the short story Wolf Riders, first introducing G&F).

Now...
Bring back Jack Yeovil (Kim Newman). Drachenfels was a work of genius.


Best G&F moment was when Gotrek lost his memory and some old guy was trying to help Felix fix it. When it didnt work out, Felix started beating the fella up when Gotrek regained his sense.

"Not that Im not a fan of senseless acts of violence, but why exactly are you beating up that old man?" Priceless.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/16 23:04:43


Post by: BrookM


MeanGreenStompa wrote:Good to hear Bill King is back.

"I like your idea of fun manling, maybe I'll have some of my own..." remains a favourite line of mine (from the short story Wolf Riders, first introducing G&F).

Now...
Bring back Jack Yeovil (Kim Newman). Drachenfels was a work of genius.
Yes, only keep the Genevieve series as they are: with a happy ending!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/16 23:18:04


Post by: Malika2


Hmm, not so fond of audiobooks, they make me feel really dorky (dorkier than normal), I'd prefer if they would also release it in paper or pdf form...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/17 01:02:44


Post by: chaplaingrabthar


I too dislike audio books as I prefer to absorb the story at my own pace, and audio takes away from that.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/17 06:31:10


Post by: Flachzange


Malika2 wrote:Hmm, not so fond of audiobooks, they make me feel really dorky (dorkier than normal), I'd prefer if they would also release it in paper or pdf form...


Well, Id like both as well, but audiobooks are a pretty nice treat tbh. hat surprises me tho, is that theyve only done short stories so far.
It was mentioned above, that they might do some full-scale novels, which would be awesome. Audiobooks and podcasts get me through gym-time as well as through long drives and such.

Some unabridged Stwar Wars books run for 10 hours or so. Its awesome! Audible.com has a great selection btw.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/17 20:36:03


Post by: Kanluwen


Update:

"Soul Hunters" release date has been moved up for the US, so says Amazon in their email to me today.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/17 22:15:09


Post by: lasgunpacker


Audio books are just too darn slow, so I have little interest in them. I do appreciate that it takes all types though, so if they appeal to someone, that is great.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/19 12:32:46


Post by: reds8n


There's an interview with Dan Abnett that's well worth read here.

To clarify a point in the interview : the game with the two coloured pieces he's talking about is the original Adeptus Titanicus/Space Marine epic scale game.

Course attentive readers of the site have been told that little nugget before of course.

And for those of you who haven't read it yet, there's a nice little extract from "A Thousand Sons" available here.



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/19 16:52:32


Post by: Death By Monkeys


Nice interview - thanks for posting the link. I'm looking forward to Prospero coming out too!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/19 18:03:42


Post by: Alpharius


I hope to be getting A THOUSAND SONS this week - can't wait to dive in!

Pre-Heresy (and Heresy!) stuff is what keeps me going these days, hobby-wise.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/19 18:11:52


Post by: Kanluwen


If you're in the US and ordered Soul Hunters from Amazon--it's shipped.

Expect it soon.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/19 19:04:51


Post by: Alpharius


Thanks for the reminder - I need to pick up that one too!

There was a bit of a BL lull going on - but not any more!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/23 19:17:29


Post by: BrookM


Ciaphas Cain has been upgraded to hardback status, so all future novels will first be released as big books and a year later as smaller softbacks.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/23 19:45:25


Post by: Alpharius


BrookM wrote:Ciaphas Cain has been upgraded to hardback status, so all future novels will first be released as big books and a year later as smaller softbacks.


NOT good news.

To me, they aren't worth the hardback price.

In fact, not much out of BL is, really.

I mean, it is almost all great pulp fiction, but...

Actually, I'm a bit surprised that they haven't gone the hardback route with the HH series.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/23 19:53:43


Post by: Death By Monkeys


Alpharius wrote:In fact, not much out of BL is, really.

I mean, it is almost all great pulp fiction, but...

I concur - about the only time I'll pick a BL book up in hardback is if I'm traveling and need some new reading for the plane flight.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/23 19:55:28


Post by: reds8n


Swanky cover though eh ?

[Thumb - Emperor's_Finest.jpg]


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/23 20:03:26


Post by: BrookM


Now if only the author could be more original in his writing with the character.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/23 20:08:29


Post by: Miss Dee


Is there some sort of order in the books as it jump to one corner of the galaxy and then the wait for the space wolvs and 1k sons


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/23 20:09:17


Post by: fullheadofhair


Alpharius wrote:
BrookM wrote:Ciaphas Cain has been upgraded to hardback status, so all future novels will first be released as big books and a year later as smaller softbacks.


NOT good news.

To me, they aren't worth the hardback price.

In fact, not much out of BL is, really.

I mean, it is almost all great pulp fiction, but...

Actually, I'm a bit surprised that they haven't gone the hardback route with the HH series.


They will. Just with the last one. And there will be no soft back. That sound you hear is evil laughing.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/23 20:11:32


Post by: Kanluwen


reds8n wrote:Swanky cover though eh ?

It really should have been subtitled

(At Running Away)


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/23 20:32:33


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Just finished A Thousand Sons. Highly enjoyable, and I now I look forward to Prospero Burns.

Will fill in the gaps in my collection on Friday.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/25 22:05:43


Post by: reds8n


some POD news...

After cutting his teeth on Inferno! and Warhammer Monthly (the only comic book ever to win an Eagle Award and get canceled in the same week), Christian Dunn spent many years as the Commissioning Editor of both Black Flame and Solaris. He is now safely ensconced back in the bosom of Black Library as their Range Development Editor where runs the e-book, Print on Demand and audio ranges, as well as being responsible for unearthing new writing talent.

He lives in Nottingham, England and always keeps a freshly greased chainsaw under his pillow in anticipation of the inevitable zombie apocalypse.



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SF SIGNAL: Hi Christian! Thanks for agreeing to do the interview. First off, could you tell us more about Black Library's new Print on Demand book line? Do you have an official name for it yet?

CHRISTIAN DUNN: In a nutshell, the Print on Demand range is Black Library's opportunity to not only bring back many of the out-of-print novels from our ten year back catalogue but also introduce new titles that we don't think fit our main range but know that readers would like to see. Readers will be able to visit our website and order Print on Demand titles just as they would any other Black Library title. The only difference being that PoD titles are Trade Paperback format and they take slightly longer to ship than a regular title due to being made to order.

Because there's very little difference to the reader in the way that they can order these titles and the look and feel of the finished books, we made the decision not to separately brand the PoD line. PoD titles will be flagged as such on the website so that readers know that the book they'll receive will differ slightly from the Black Library books that they've been used to, but we won't be calling the range anything fancy.

However, we are branding some of the books within the PoD range as 'Heretic Tomes'. One of the great opportunities with PoD is to bring back older titles - some of which even pre-date Black Library - that no longer accurately reflect the Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000 universes. These are the kind of novels that we wouldn't want to put on the shelves of a Games Workshop or bookstore because anybody unfamiliar with Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000 might get the wrong idea and come away with an inaccurate picture of our fictional universes. They're all still great stories though, so badging them as Heretic Tomes allows us to get the books back into the hands of fans but also tip them off that the background and IP might be a bit different from what they're used to. The first Heretic Tome - the first of our PoD releases in fact - is Ian Watson's Space Marine which has been OOP for at least fifteen years but has consistently been one of the most requested titles for us to reprint. I know Ian's very happy for it to be coming back into print as he mentions it to me every time I see him at a convention!

SFS: What made Black Library go the Print on Demand route? What are the implications of the print-on-demand method?

CD: Over the past ten years we've published over 300 novels. Add to that the hundreds of short stories and dozens of comic books, graphic novels, art books and background books and it equals enough titles to fill several shelves of the SF/F section of the average bookstore. Obviously, it's not practical to keep that many titles in print at any one time - the BL editorial office would have to double up as a book warehouse and, as much as we love being surrounded by books, thousands of copies of hundreds of different titles might be considered a fire risk! PoD is the perfect solution. No warehouses full of books but potential access to our entire back catalogue. In theory, no title should ever go out of print again.

Some of the implications were surprising and not immediately obvious. The first thing we did when the call was made to launch PoD, was to ignore everything about conventional publishing and treat PoD as something entirely new and different, not only in terms of manufacture and distribution but right down to the way the books themselves are put together. When a publisher releases a mass market title there are certain expectations regarding that book, not only from the publisher but also from the supplier and the end user. For instance, because the book needs to be displayed on a shelf in a bookstore, the title of the book and the author's name are generally printed on both the front cover and the spine. The reader expects this, the retailer expects this and so the publisher - unless making a bold design decision - meets those expectations by printing that information on the front cover and spine. Likewise, the book needs to stand out from the other titles vying for attention on the shelves and cover artwork and design that is reflective of content and genre becomes another expectation. Ditto blurb on the back cover of the book so that when the reader picks it up, they're given a short synopsis to try and convince them to take the book over to the cash register and buy it. Even an RRP and barcode on the back of the book is an expectation as the publisher and/or distributor uses it for tracking stock and the supplier uses it at point of sale to scan the item into the cash register. PoD removes these expectations. Because the only way of obtaining PoD titles is via our website, the webpage itself can display all of the information the reader needs to decide whether this is a book they'd like to read. Because the book is never seen on a bookstore shelf, the need for the title and author name on the front cover is eliminated altogether and the cover art and design can become something more than just a tool purely to sell the book.

The one expectation that did hold over was printing the title and author name on the spine; although stores display the vast majority of titles spine-out on their shelves, it's also how most readers shelve their collections so we opted to retain this for our PoD titles.

PoD publishing is a weird hybrid between traditional and digital publishing - physical product but only sold electronically - and I think this is a direction the mass market will take in years to come. As online book retailers keep increasing their market share, the way a book cover looks displayed at an inch-and-a-half high on a monitor will begin to take precedence over how it looks at 6 ¾ inches on a bookstore shelf and, at the same time, remove many of those expectations I've outlined above. By taking the step into PoD publishing now, we'll be better equipped when the mass market shifts in the future.


SFS: What are the titles that you'll be releasing this year? Why those books?

CD: Our current plan is not to officially announce titles in advance - beyond the first few months' releases - but instead make the titles available the instant they are announced. Publicly releasing a schedule upfront sort of defeats the purpose of Print on Demand - we'll print the book on demand for you but only if you demand it be printed in 3 months' time!? It also allows us to be flexible with the titles we release as PoD. If, for instance, a main range title goes out of print and we start amassing orders that indicate demand for that title, but not sufficient to push the button on a full reprint then we can slot it in as a PoD release. If we've announced 3, 6 or even 12 months out then we lose that flexibility.

We can also have a bit of fun building anticipation for the titles by dropping hints in various venues. When copies of the latest Dan Abnett hardcover, Blood Pact, arrived in the BL office, I put a photograph of it on our blog. It took one keen-eyed fan about 4 minutes to notice that the hardcover had been placed on one of our proof copies of The Gothic War Omnibus which is the March 2010 PoD release. I've also dropped a few hints on Facebook and Twitter and if anybody was following the 'What Are You Reading' thread on the old Black Library forums then pretty much everything I said I was reading during the second half of 2009 will be coming out as a PoD title during 2010. Except for those non-Black Library books I read of course...

Shall I drop another hint here? Alright then, our April release is an anthology of Blood Angels comic strips and short stories, and contains one all-new story along with the prose version of Heart of Rage that was previously only available as an audio drama. Wait a minute, that's more of an announcement than a hint!


SFS: How do you gauge that there's a demand for a certain title? How can readers inform Black Library that they want a certain title back in print?

CD: With older books we rely on the feedback we get from readers when we meet them, or from postings on our old forums and Facebook group. Space Marine is the book that we've been asked to bring back more than any other and, after years of saying we weren't going to reprint it, when the technology came along to allow us to release it in a way that makes it viable in relatively small quantities, it took us a split-second to decide to launch with it. There are a few other titles that we still get requests for and they're all on my very long list of titles to get back into print.

With more recent titles, it's a case of monitoring how quickly a book has sold through in the various channels and deciding whether it's worth pushing the button on a full reprint, making the title available through PoD or allowing it to go out of print and bringing it back as a PoD title at some later date. As with older titles though, if there's enough reader feedback to suggest that even a newer title should come back into print then we'll listen.


SFS: What's your official title in the company? How did you get involved with Black Library and this project?

CD: My official job title is Range Development Editor which, translated out of doublespeak, means 'that guy who does all the things that aren't novels or part of the main range'. My brief is to run the Print on Demand, audio drama and e-book ranges along with editing our short story anthologies and recruiting new talent to the BL author roster. As the 'Range Development' bit of my job title suggests, I also look for opportunities to try new things. We're already well down the road to recording and releasing our first abridged audio book and, as part of our e-book strategy, plans are afoot to launch our first digital-only publishing venture. I can't say much more at this stage but it will be a good reason for fans of short fiction to come back and visit our website on a monthly basis.

The Print on Demand range is a weird kind of homecoming for me, weird in the sense that I never really went away. Before I was the Commissioning Editor for both Solaris and Black Flame - which, like Black Library, were both BL Publishing imprints - I ran the Necromunda, Dark Future and Blood Bowl novel ranges for Black Library and prior to that I was the editor of both Inferno! and Warhammer Monthly. Even though I've spent the past five years on the Solaris and Black Flame imprints, I still shared office space with the Black Library crew and kept up to speed with what was happening. Because most of the PoD titles are reprints from the early days of Black Library, I actually worked on them the first time around.


SFS: What are your immediate goals for the line and how is this different from the rest of Black Library?

CD: The first goal is to get the message out there about the new range. Because there's no physical product on the shelves in stores, a lot of the traditional methods of marketing books aren't as effective. As I said earlier, dropping hints on various websites and social networks helps because you're effectively one mouse click away from the book's webpage. Getting the books out there and into the hands of readers will be the biggest help on this front. Once they see that not only are we reissuing great books but that we're also putting out great looking books that you can't get anywhere else, word will spread.

Beyond that, once the range has been up and running for a while we plan to introduce titles that were never released in the mass market. Initially, these will take the form of new anthologies of previously published material where the theme is a lot tighter than those we'd release as part of the main range. The aforementioned Blood Angels anthology is the first title of that nature and we have plans to do PoD exclusive anthologies themed around other Space Marine Chapters too. We also have two brand new titles that have been commissioned specifically for the PoD range which are unlike anything Black Library have published before. They're penciled in for late 2010 and should cause a bit of a stir once word gets out.

As for the rest of Black Library? They can concentrate on putting out all of those great books that will eventually become part of the PoD range!


SFS: Aside from the cover design, are there any changes you're going to make to the re-released books such as minor editing? Or will we see more of what you hinted with the Blood Angels anthology, by including bonus content?

CD: There are a few titles in our back catalogue that despite being very good stories in their own right, didn't accurately capture the Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000 background. Some of these titles couldn't be re-edited to fit the background without fundamentally altering the plot and these will be released under the Heretic Tomes branding. Others, where some of the details didn't capture the flavor of the background, will undergo rewriting and editing before being re-released as PoD titles. Most of the books are just fine and dandy as they are though and will come out with only a few minor typos being fixed.

Where possible, a PoD title will have some kind of bonus material. The Gothic War Omnibus, for instance, includes an 8-page comic strip featuring the lead character from the Gothic War novels while the planned omnibus of the four Dark Future novels that Jack Yeovil wrote for us back in the early 90s will include a previously unpublished Eugene Byrne novel featuring the lead character from Demon Download. We received our office copies of The Book of Blood - the Blood Angels anthology you mentioned in the question - last week and the comic book pages in there are as sharp as I've ever seen grayscale comic book art reproduced, so you can expect to see a lot more comic book material included as PoD bonus content!


SFS: What's the appeal of the Warhammer universe to you? What makes you keep coming back to it?

CD: Although my natural inclination is more towards SF, I did end up reading a lot of fantasy during my tenure at Solaris. The overwhelming majority left me disappointed though, sometimes through poor writing, sometimes through lack of originality but mainly through poor world-building. For me, world-building works best in fantasy novels when the plot itself is helping shape that world or when the author is trying to do something radically different with their setting, which sadly isn't the case with many of the current crop of fantasy titles. With Warhammer the world-building has already been done, and over the past 30 years has undergone a bit of remodeling and reconstruction, leaving authors free to concentrate on telling a great story rather than having to invent over-elaborate magic systems, royal lineages, and economic models.

And that's why it keeps reeling me in: because there's still a heck of a lot of great stories to tell in the Warhammer world.


SFS: I visited The Black Library webpage and it's still waiting for a relaunch. Where can readers find more information about Print on Demand?

CD: The Black Library blog and Facebook group have been filling the temporary gap left by the website and there's information about the PoD range as well as Heretic Tomes in both those locations.

As soon as blacklibrary.com is back online you'll be able to start ordering the first two PoD titles with at least one title being added every month after that.


link

and a snippet about The FIrst Heretic

Amidst the galaxy-wide war of the Great Crusade, the Emperor castigates the Word Bearers for their worship. Distraught at this judgement, Lorgar and his Legion seek another path while devastating world after world, venting their fury and fervour on the battlefield. Their search for a new purpose leads them to the edge of the material universe, where they meet ancient forces far more powerful than they could have imagined. Having set out to illuminate the Imperium, the corruption of Chaos takes hold and their path to damnation begins. Unbeknownst to the Word Bearers, their quest for truth contains the very roots of heresy -


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/25 23:42:49


Post by: Death By Monkeys


Can't wait to see what other titles wind up in the Heretic Tomes category. Wonder if we'll be able to get Bloodquest POD?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/26 02:02:12


Post by: Lord of battles


You know they announced the heretic tombs back in September and are only following up with it now wtf...


No I am seriously happy with this, what does everybody want? I want the HH art books back, they were always a great source of ideas./


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/28 18:30:13


Post by: 181


According to http://series.simonandschuster.com/Ciaphas-Cain, Emperor's Finest will be the one where Cain boards the Space Hulk with the Reclaimers.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/28 19:34:09


Post by: BrookM


Lord of battles wrote:You know they announced the heretic tombs back in September and are only following up with it now wtf...


No I am seriously happy with this, what does everybody want? I want the HH art books back, they were always a great source of ideas./
It's all put in one book now..

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1380010&prodId=prod842467


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/28 19:41:58


Post by: Lord of battles


BrookM wrote:
Lord of battles wrote:You know they announced the heretic tombs back in September and are only following up with it now wtf...


No I am seriously happy with this, what does everybody want? I want the HH art books back, they were always a great source of ideas./
It's all put in one book now..

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1380010&prodId=prod842467

Sweet thanks!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/28 20:39:12


Post by: lords2001


I would really like for the site to come back up.

I have books to order - though does anyone know how much the shipping is from Black Library?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/28 20:50:18


Post by: Lord of battles


just order from the GW site, or your FLGS might have your books (mine does!)


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/02/28 20:56:06


Post by: lords2001


Lord of battles wrote:just order from the GW site, or your FLGS might have your books (mine does!)


Sydney doens't really have much of a FLGS - it does have GW, but the books costs between 100% and 200% more than they do in the UK. For example -

Horus Rising from GW Australia or any other bookstore - $18 - $22

Horus Rising from Book Depository UK- www.bookdepository.co.uk - $7.87. Thats including shipping.

The dollar is great against the pound, but no price adjustment to reflect it.



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/01 10:11:20


Post by: reds8n


Interview with Steve Parker

When sci-fi author Steve Parker was called upon to delve into the long-established fantasy world of Warhammer 40,000 and flesh out an important part of its history for fans he knew he was in for a challenge.
But in his new book, Rynn’s World, Steve demonstrates his remarkable ability to breath fresh life into an old story.
Among the first models ever produced for Games Workshop’s Warhammer 40,000 game, way back in 1987, were plastic Space Marines. And these pioneering models sat on retailers’ shelves in a box covered in artwork depicting fierce warriors engaged in a desperate fire-fight against implacable green-skinned foes.
These characters were the Crimson Fists space marines chapter and they were battling against Orks for domination of their home planet – Rynn’s World.
Finally, after 23 years of waiting, Games Workshop commissioned Steve Parker to write a novel giving the full back-story to this encounter which inspired generations of fans.
Lincolnshire Echo writer Dan Sharp caught up with Steve in Tokyo via e-mail.
DAN SHARP: Steve, how did you come to work on Rynn’s World? Did you pitch the idea or, well, how does that process work?
STEVE PARKER: The Rynn’s World project came to me in much the same way that my other novels did. I don’t tend to pitch like most Black Library writers do. Instead, my editor comes to me with something the studio would like to see a story about. If it grabs me, we take it further. Sometimes, the central theme or protagonist is linked to newly released models for the hobby. At other times, such as was the case with Rynn’s World, it’s a matter of turning something from pre-established background into a full narrative.
I was honoured to be offered the chance to launch this prestigous new series but, prior to starting my research for the novel, I knew very little about the events on Rynn’s World.
DS: The book is pretty faithful to the original Crimson Fists mythos. How did that old back story affect the writing process? Was it restrictive or useful as a loose structure?
SP: Both. On one hand, it was restrictive in the sense that the story had to go certain places. There were things that had to happen no matter what, and I had to fit my characters and their experiences around them. At the same time, however, it was great to have existing background to guide me in the planning process. A number of the major plot points in the story were laid out for me, but how to get to each of them was very much up to me. This created a great balance between creative freedom and structure that really helped me during the writing process.
DS: The map and large text of the book make it both easy to follow and easy to read. How do you feel about pioneering this new format?
SP: I think it’s a wonderful format that gives the series a very fresh look and makes it stand out as something new and significant. Fans have wanted to read about these major events in Space Marine history for a long time, and I think they’re going to love this series. These are good-looking books, and hopefully they’ll draw in fresh readers as well as satisfy the hordes who already love Warhammer 40,000 stories.
DS: What did you enjoy most about writing the book?
SP: What stands out for me as something I really enjoyed in the writing of this book was the chance to portray Space Marines in exactly the way that I see them. There have always been differing perspectives on just how these super-human killing machines should be represented in fiction.
The way I see it, one can’t be super-human without first being human. Despite all the training, psycho-conditioning and indoctrination that these warriors go through, they surely retain a core of individuality founded on the lives they led before they were selected for testing. Finding ways for their personalities to shine through their cold, armoured exteriors was a highlight of the process for me.
DS: You’ve been quite prolific in terms of both novels and short stories over the last few years. Do you have a punishing schedule of writing so many words per day or do you take things a little easier? And if you don’t mind me asking, what is your day job?
SP: I wish I was as disciplined in my writing as I am in other areas of my life. I don’t have a daily word quota. A lot of the work of being a writer has nothing to do with putting actual words on paper, of course. Not at first. The research and planning process is critical and takes a lot of time and effort. When it’s time to hit the keys, I start off a little sporadic, working mostly when I feel inspired to do so. I might write for four hours or so every other day. When deadlines start getting closer, I can’t afford to rely on inspiration anymore. It’s the mounting pressure that gets my butt in the seat. By this point, I’ll be writing six to eight hours a day, every day until the first draft is done.
As for a ‘day job’, that would be writing, but I currently supplement it by teaching English to Japanese business people at night and on weekends.
DS: When you’re working on a story, do you plot it out heavily beforehand, or do you give the characters free reign to go their own way to some degree?
SP: Writers working with the Black Library are required to submit fairly detailed synopses for studio approval before setting out on writing the novel. For that reason, the novels I’ve written so far have been plotted out beforehand. I actually enjoy working like this. I believe that having a good solid framework in front of you keeps your stories tight and focussed, and helps with pacing. If you’re not careful, giving characters free reign can pull a story off-track and bog things down. That said, characters do tend to come alive during the writing process and want to go their own way at least a little. When that happens, you’ve got to strike a balance and give them enough freedom to express themselves.
DS: How did you come to start writing sci-fi in the first place? Was it something you’d always done from being a kid onwards or did it just kick in later in life?
SP: I’ve always been pulled towards things that centred on the fantastic, whether it was books, comics, movies, games, animation or whatever. Imagination is everything. I could hardly pay attention in school for drawing monsters, aliens, ghosts, robots and giant sharks with human arms lodged between their teeth. I loved to draw, and I still do. But it was only after I read Frank Herbert’s Dune that I suddenly thought, ‘that was just amazing! I want to try this writing thing’.
I spent six months trying to write a novel when I was about 17 years old. It was unbelievably bad, of course, but just the act of writing it taught me a lot. I didn’t know that at the time, however. I just thought, ‘oh, guess I’m not cut out for this’. I put writing aside.
A few years later, the bug bit me again. I sent some short stories out to SF magazines. I didn’t sell anything, but, just as before, the process of trying was what really counted. I had no idea then that each of these failures was getting me closer to success. I put writing aside for the second time. It was only about four years ago, living and teaching here in Japan, that I decided to try again. I wrote new stories and, this time, I sold them. Somehow, I got from there to here. I’m a big fan of perseverance now.
DS: What would you say were your formative influences while growing up?
SP: Like I said, it was Frank Herbert’s Dune that made me want to write professionally, but there were many earlier influences that made me the kind of person who would be affected like that.
I was nuts about movies when I was a kid. Every day, I would rush home from school to watch either Star Wars, E.T., Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark or Close Encounters of the Third Kind on VHS video tape. Spielberg movies made the world turn for me back then. I read a lot of comics, too. I was pulled in by computer and video games very early on, especially story-driven games. I guess I liked all the things that kids like, but perhaps I liked them a little more than most. As a teenager, Bladerunner, Aliens, Terminator, Predator... all of these things grabbed me in a big way. Games kept getting better and better.
It’s impossible to list individual influences, really. There are just too many. Better to simply say that I’ve always been hooked on ‘the fantastic’ in whatever form it takes.
DS: And what are your current influences in terms of what you’re reading now, watching now, thinking about now?
SP: Writing military-themed SF requires a certain knowledge of conventions that cover both military writing and science-fiction writing. I had more of the latter than the former and knew it was a deficiency I‘d have to address, so I spent a lot of time over the last few years watching movies and documentaries about war and weaponry and reading a lot of related books, both fact and fiction. For entertainment, I tend to read a lot of SF and fantasy, of course, but I also enjoy the odd horror or crime novel. I also watch shows like 24, Lost and Battlestar Galactica whenever I can. I think everything influences a writer in some way or another, though we may not always realise it.
DS: Writing a novel for the Black Library and getting it published must surely be every teenage boy’s dream but do you have any ambitions to write sci-fi which falls outside the worlds of Warhammer or even, dare I say (write) it, non-sci-fi?
SP: I think every ‘tie-in’ writer has plans to write his or her own original work at some point. I certainly do, but I enjoy working in the Warhammer 40,000 universe a lot, and I learn more about my writing voice with every novel I finish. For now at least, I’ve no immediate plans to start out on my own independent work, whether it be SF, fantasy, horror or whatever. I’ve just begun a new project for the Black Library that is, to my mind, the most exciting thing I’ve tackled yet, and that’s really all the writing I’m thinking about right now.
DS: What’s life like over in Tokyo? Do you follow events back home much?
SP: Life in Tokyo is definitely a mixed bag, but it must have more ups than downs because I’ve been living here for about eight years, and I’ve no wish to leave in a hurry despite how difficult and frustrating it can be.
I do miss my family in the UK, but I try to get back for visits whenever I can. I always schedule a face-to-face with my editor when I’m over there. E-mails and phone-calls are fine, but you can’t beat sitting across the table from each other and batting ideas around over a coffee.
As for following events in the UK, I watch BBC World News every day, so that keeps me up to date on the major stories. I keep hoping to hear good news, but the economy... pffft!
DS: Sci-fi is about imagining what the future will be like and dark futures don’t come much darker than Warhammer 40,000 with its futurist medievalism and whatnot. Bit of a philosophical tangent this but are you into technology yourself (iPods, iPhones iEverything it would seem) and how do you see our future panning out?
SP: I’m very much into science and technology. It fascinates me. I love to see technology evolve. Some of the things I see here in Japan make me stop and stare. I recently saw a blu-ray movie playing on a big 240hz television and it made my jaw drop. That’s four times the framerate of any TV I have ever owned. I had never, ever seen a movie look that good before. The visual quality of today’s movies and games just blows me away, and often makes me wish the quality of the writing was given as much attention (the recent Transformers movies being a case in point).
How do I see our future panning out? Hmmm, that’s a tough one. I’m really excited by the trend towards eco-technologies. There’s so much potential there. It’s great to see so many people getting behind it. If it keeps up, and more and more people adopt it, there really will be cause for optimism.
I think AR (augmented reality) is where it’s at in terms of the next step forward in personal devices. Give it a few years and we’ll probably all be wearing sunglasses with GPS and a permanent wireless high-speed Internet connection built in. Imagine a stranger walks by you and your glasses give you the option of immediately checking out their Facebook page or seeing a list of their hobbies. I think technologies like this that have the potential to boost our social lives will have a major impact on our lives.
Whatever happens next, it’s sure to be pretty interesting.


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Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/03 15:11:07


Post by: reds8n


What short stories does he have out this year?
Too many. This is killing his novel flow, for real.

‘At Gaius Point’ is in Legends of the Space Marines, and is about the Flesh Tearers.
‘The Core’ is in Fear the Alien, and features First Claw, from Soul Hunter.
Throne of Lies is his audiobook, also featuring First Claw.
‘Regicide’ is his story for the Sabbat Worlds Anthology, which is almost finished.
‘Savage Weapons’ is his story for the Horus Heresy anthology, Age of Darkness. His story for the working-titled ‘Favourite Recipes of the Space Marines’ may or may not have a working title itself, and that title may or may not be ‘Despoiler’.
…and a secret one, too.



Another HH compilation on its way then.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/03 16:43:15


Post by: Alpharius


reds8n wrote:
What short stories does he have out this year?
Too many. This is killing his novel flow, for real.

‘At Gaius Point’ is in Legends of the Space Marines, and is about the Flesh Tearers.
‘The Core’ is in Fear the Alien, and features First Claw, from Soul Hunter.
Throne of Lies is his audiobook, also featuring First Claw.
‘Regicide’ is his story for the Sabbat Worlds Anthology, which is almost finished.
‘Savage Weapons’ is his story for the Horus Heresy anthology, Age of Darkness. His story for the working-titled ‘Favourite Recipes of the Space Marines’ may or may not have a working title itself, and that title may or may not be ‘Despoiler’.
…and a secret one, too.



Another HH compilation on its way then.


The first one was fun, so I'm looking forward to this one too now!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/03 21:00:36


Post by: chaplaingrabthar


The compilations are fun, but I'd rather have full length novels, as the tend to advance the plot more, and I want to get to Terra already!

Could be worse, could eb a fething audio book. I hate those things.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/03 21:17:57


Post by: Kanluwen


While it's nice to have full length novels, they're restricted to one specific snapshot of an area all at once and that one author's specific interpretation.

With these compilations, not only are the short stories less work on the authors(sorta), but they also let you get a 'big picture' look at the subject.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 00:21:54


Post by: Alpharius


chaplaingrabthar wrote:The compilations are fun, but I'd rather have full length novels, as the tend to advance the plot more, and I want to get to Terra already!

Could be worse, could eb a fething audio book. I hate those things.


Didn't we recently learn that the HH series is going out to 2015 or so?

You'll be waiting a bit for Terra...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 00:59:47


Post by: Manchu


I really enjoyed a lot of Tales of Heresy. ( I have a review here on dakka.) With all 40k books, but with the HH stuff in particular, I tend to oscillate between over- and underestimating it. Sometimes they handle heavy themes with genuinely cinematic flare. At other times it just seems childish. I think they all just need a bit more practice and the anthologies are a good place to get it in.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 01:08:23


Post by: Kanluwen


I think they just need to not let Ben Counter and a few others near the series.

Really. That would solve *everything*.

Horus Heresy is something that really should only be tackled by their best authors. It's why I'm hesitant to read Bowden's "First Heretic", despite the epic mancrush I have on his work(Soul Hunter by the way? AWESOME.) It really should be Abnett's playground, and a few others.

But they seem to be remedying this especially with the "Horus Heresy Meetings" that Bowden keeps mentioning on his blog.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 01:16:31


Post by: Manchu


Abnett really let me down in Tales of Heresy. Titanicus wasn't that great either. As I think K_K often says, the man doesn't know how to end a story. Or, in the case of Blood Games, how to write a short story. Graham McNeill's work in ToH was terrible, truly mind-numbingly juvenile. I'm reading through Thousand Sons right now and pretty okay so far . . . but I am being generous thanks to having wanted to read this story for freaking ever. By contrast, you know I loved A D-B's first novel. As for Counter, Daemonblood is probably my favorite piece of 40k fiction. I admit not having read Battle for the Abyss, however, although I really enjoyed Galaxy in Flames. FLight of the Eisenstein remains my fav HH book. Despite loving the Wolves, I doubt "Prospero Burns" will change that.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 01:23:58


Post by: Kanluwen


I'm not reading "A Thousand Sons" until "Prospero Burns" comes out.

I will read them, no joke, within a day. I read "Flight of the Eisenstein", "Legion", "Descent of Angels" all within 24 hours. And loved them all...well, "Descent of Angels" was kinda shaky, but still I thought it was good(just finished "Fallen Angels" today and christ, that was torturous. The ending was obnoxious too, since it makes Jonson seem like an idiot). I have "Tales of Heresy" to read, but I think the whole issue is it was published before they really started coordinating their efforts as well as they could.

But yeah. "Soul Hunter" is next on my reading block.
Incidentally, I love the name Bowden wanted for it originally.
"In Midnight Clad" just sounds so much more...epic.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 01:43:25


Post by: Alpharius


Manchu wrote:Abnett really let me down in Tales of Heresy. Titanicus wasn't that great either. As I think K_K often says, the man doesn't know how to end a story. Or, in the case of Blood Games, how to write a short story. Graham McNeill's work in ToH was terrible, truly mind-numbingly juvenile. I'm reading through Thousand Sons right now and pretty okay so far . . . but I am being generous thanks to having wanted to read this story for freaking ever. By contrast, you know I loved A D-B's first novel. As for Counter, Daemonblood is probably my favorite piece of 40k fiction. I admit not having read Battle for the Abyss, however, although I really enjoyed Galaxy in Flames. FLight of the Eisenstein remains my fav HH book. Despite loving the Wolves, I doubt "Prospero Burns" will change that.


Going to have to disagree with you a bit here!

I DO agree that Abnett certainly seems to 'rush to the finish' at times, but I loved "Blood Games" and it was one of the stronger stories in the compilation!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 05:40:39


Post by: MajorTom11


The books are enjoyable for the most part I find, even the compilations.

The main problem I have with all the books, especially in the past 10 years or so, is that GW has slowly been leaching all the quirkiness/fantasy'ish sci-fi elements out of the world... Everything is becoming so plain.

Remember when Primarchs were psychic supermen with powers as far above marines as they were above normal men? I'm talking all marines, librarians and techs included. They used to be psychic, fireball throwing beasts of war... In the books they just seem like... I don't know, really charismatic marines. Powerful yes, but they seem to be just really strong marines, great warriors but not out of bounds for the standards. They don't seem to take after their father all that much other than inspiring loyalty automatically.

The Mechanicus too...in Titanicus in particular, they seem to be working and using technology in a very practical, non mystical way. They also seem very interested in researching etc, which contradicts the theme that they have been stagnant for 10000 years and reall don't have much of an idea how anything works. It just doesn't add up anymore.

Chaos is mulched down to basics too... they used to be mutated psychopaths, now they are just mean marines for the most part. Daemons were more abstract and dangerous. Now they just give the impression of mean space marines with a few demon elements thrown in. But they are space marines first, 10000 year old decvil worshipping nuts second.

I guess I miss the RT style of universe with insane weapons, conversion beamers, vortex missiles, digital weapons etc etc. Everything seems to be very contemporary with a sci-fi veneer on top, but just for the look.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 09:11:07


Post by: reds8n


MajorTom11 wrote:

Remember when Primarchs were psychic supermen with powers as far above marines as they were above normal men? I'm talking all marines, librarians and techs included. They used to be psychic, fireball throwing beasts of war... In the books they just seem like... I don't know, really charismatic marines. Powerful yes, but they seem to be just really strong marines, great warriors but not out of bounds for the standards. They don't seem to take after their father all that much other than inspiring loyalty automatically.
.


You really need to read A Thousand Sons.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 09:14:15


Post by: Manchu


Alpharius wrote:I DO agree that Abnett certainly seems to 'rush to the finish' at times, but I loved "Blood Games" and it was one of the stronger stories in the compilation!
I certainly acknowledge that your opinion on this matter, although an astounding mystery to me, is equally valid.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 10:04:47


Post by: BrookM


I found "Blood Games" the odd one out in the anthology. It started nice enough but turned into a rather dull run and gun ending. I found the story done by Graham McNeill really good, sure it was cheesy and one of those silly foreshadowing things, but it was good.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 10:20:44


Post by: Manchu


That was the only one I disliked more than Blood Games. My personal fav was the Dark Angels yarn and I'm not a big Dark Angels fan.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 10:46:15


Post by: Pyriel-


Titanicus wasn't that great either. As I think K_K often says, the man doesn't know how to end a story.[spoiler]
Prolly all the nasty deadlines that make this.

Anyone read P. Hamiltons Nights Dawn trilogy will know what deadline mean to a ton of loose ends.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/04 14:52:37


Post by: MajorTom11


reds8n wrote:
MajorTom11 wrote:

Remember when Primarchs were psychic supermen with powers as far above marines as they were above normal men? I'm talking all marines, librarians and techs included. They used to be psychic, fireball throwing beasts of war... In the books they just seem like... I don't know, really charismatic marines. Powerful yes, but they seem to be just really strong marines, great warriors but not out of bounds for the standards. They don't seem to take after their father all that much other than inspiring loyalty automatically.
.


You really need to read A Thousand Sons.


EDIT- Besides Magnus lol! Do want to check out the book though...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/06 18:58:30


Post by: BrookM


Stumbled onto a copy of Nagash the Unbroken today.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/06 21:00:19


Post by: Alpharius


Manchu wrote:
Alpharius wrote:I DO agree that Abnett certainly seems to 'rush to the finish' at times, but I loved "Blood Games" and it was one of the stronger stories in the compilation!
I certainly acknowledge that your opinion on this matter, although an astounding mystery to me, is equally valid.


All your base are belong to us?

Anyway...

...WHEN is the new BL site going to go live?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/06 21:21:25


Post by: Kanluwen


This morning, Dan Abnett posted something on his Facebook/Twitter that does not bode well for the next Gaunt's Ghosts novel.

Dan Abnett wrote: committed character murder before breakfast.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/07 00:38:54


Post by: Alpharius


Well, that could be anyone, really...

Still, interesting to note!

I still need to pick up BLOOD PACT...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/07 01:42:00


Post by: Kanluwen


I've got $5 on it being Hark that bites the big one.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/07 02:52:44


Post by: Alpharius


That's a good guess, actually.

I do rather like him too...

And when are we ever going to see Milo (I think that's his name!) again???


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/07 02:53:48


Post by: Kanluwen


If I had to guess on Milo?

Maybe never. Or it's also possible we see him at the end of this next cycle of novels.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/07 05:29:44


Post by: sonofruss


I really need to catch up on the ghosts but every time I go the book store is out of the omnibus and Milo is with the reborn Sabbat Isn't he so we will see him again.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/07 11:36:33


Post by: BrookM


Put down something on Gaunt kicking the bucket, Dan keeps saying that he dies, I'd like to think that this is it.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/07 16:33:39


Post by: Alpharius


Call me sentimental, but I hope we never 'see' that moment.

I hope he 'makes it'.

Maybe if he dies, he becomes St. Gaunt though...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/07 16:37:08


Post by: Kanluwen


BrookM wrote:Put down something on Gaunt kicking the bucket, Dan keeps saying that he dies, I'd like to think that this is it.

IF Gaunt dies, I'd think it would be at the end of this cycle.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/07 16:48:19


Post by: Shaman


The new cain book looks good. Im only on the third one at present but they are enjoyable.

You know the ONLY BL book I havent heard a bad thing about is soul hunter.. So thats next on my list.

Also a thanks to reds8n for all the links and whatnot.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/08 07:46:24


Post by: Flachzange


Finaly received Thousand Sons ... though Im still not sure whether or not I should wait for Prospero Burns to read em back to back or not.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/08 10:39:07


Post by: reds8n


New BL youtube thingy here, a Q & A with Mr. Abnett.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/08 12:30:06


Post by: Alpharius


Flachzange wrote:Finaly received Thousand Sons ... though Im still not sure whether or not I should wait for Prospero Burns to read em back to back or not.


I *think* Prospero burns is going to be more or less the same 'story', just from a different point of view?

If I'm right, go ahead and read it!

If I'm not...

Well, I can't wait and I'm reading it right now!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/08 12:41:58


Post by: Manchu


Same here. Will have a review up by the weekend, I'd reckon.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/08 13:40:08


Post by: Kanluwen


Oh yeah.

I finished "Soul Hunter" the other day.

It actually is BETTER than the Eisenhorn trilogy. It's BETTER than "Legion".

And I don't even like the damn Night Lords!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/08 16:01:59


Post by: Alpharius


Kanluwen wrote:Oh yeah.

I finished "Soul Hunter" the other day.

It actually is BETTER than the Eisenhorn trilogy. It's BETTER than "Legion".

And I don't even like the damn Night Lords!


It is in my reading queue, and you may have just bumped it up a few slots.

I'll be angry if you're just blowing smoke though!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/08 16:17:23


Post by: Kanluwen


If I'm just blowing smoke, then we have very different reading tastes and you should be executed for having bad ones.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/09 00:56:11


Post by: Alpharius


Kanluwen wrote:If I'm just blowing smoke, then we have very different reading tastes and you should be executed for having bad ones.


That's one way of looking at it!

(Notes down "+1 censure point for Kanluwen" in the Book...)


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/10 04:31:09


Post by: Shaman


Hes not blowing smoke.. Soul Hunter was the best BL book I've ever read. And the author ADB even posts on forums.. He posted on the soul hunter thread on BnC. I have been made into a mindless fanboy at this point.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/10 04:46:21


Post by: cerebaton


Is Soul Hunter better than Cadian Blood do we think?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/10 04:54:38


Post by: Kanluwen


I really hate to say it because I love Cadian Blood and plan on reenacting it once I finish my massive table and Cadian Guard...

But yes. Soul Hunter takes Cadian Blood out behind the shed and blows its head off with the 12 gauge, while crying "I'm sorry, boy!"


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:If I'm just blowing smoke, then we have very different reading tastes and you should be executed for having bad ones.


That's one way of looking at it!

(Notes down "+1 censure point for Kanluwen" in the Book...)

You do not want me as an enemy, Alpharius. For I am quite a rabble rouser and have pants on.

With pants come VICTORY!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/10 05:14:05


Post by: lords2001


Kanluwen wrote:I really hate to say it because I love Cadian Blood and plan on reenacting it once I finish my massive table and Cadian Guard...

But yes. Soul Hunter takes Cadian Blood out behind the shed and blows its head off with the 12 gauge, while crying "I'm sorry, boy!"


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:If I'm just blowing smoke, then we have very different reading tastes and you should be executed for having bad ones.


That's one way of looking at it!

(Notes down "+1 censure point for Kanluwen" in the Book...)

You do not want me as an enemy, Alpharius. For I am quite a rabble rouser and have pants on.

With pants come VICTORY!


You got it wrong. With pants comes dignity. And possibly avoids ugly looks from the ladies. Because of, you know....


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/10 05:15:01


Post by: Kanluwen


You get ugly looks from the ladies?

Man. I pity you. All I ever get are shocked glances.

Mostly because y'know, I'm not wearing pants.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/10 06:31:00


Post by: Flachzange


Alpharius wrote:
Flachzange wrote:Finally received Thousand Sons ... though Im still not sure whether or not I should wait for Prospero Burns to read em back to back or not.


I *think* Prospero burns is going to be more or less the same 'story', just from a different point of view?

If I'm right, go ahead and read it!

If I'm not...

Well, I can't wait and I'm reading it right now!


Ah, what the hell. Im convinced. Its on the top of my pile now


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/10 21:54:12


Post by: BrookM


Just finished Nagash the Unbroken. It was okay, but the things mentioned didn't really happen, which is a pity.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/11 14:46:05


Post by: skrulnik


BrookM wrote:Just finished Nagash the Unbroken. It was okay, but the things mentioned didn't really happen, which is a pity.


Elaborate?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/11 20:26:49


Post by: BrookM


skrulnik wrote:
BrookM wrote:Just finished Nagash the Unbroken. It was okay, but the things mentioned didn't really happen, which is a pity.


Elaborate?
Not sure if they are spoilers, but just in case, because I don't want to make grown men cry:

Spoiler:
They say how he's going to take on the Skaven, even the cover shows him fighting them, he meets a small group in the desert and learns from them about Wyrd stone and its powers. So naturally I'm thinking that the Skaven will pop up more and be slaughtered by him. Instead we get the rather interesting creation of vampires, ghouls and a glimpse at the future slayer of Nagash. The Skaven don't really show up until the end of the novel.


It's a good read, a real page turner, I've just got a big sadface because the things I thought would happen don't happen until novel three, which will be brimming with battles most likely, not just against the Skaven, but fingers crossed, also against Sigmar.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/12 12:29:58


Post by: Alpharius


I'm thinking that the big battle against Sigmar might be in the Sigmar series?

It certainly seems as if Book 3 over there is setting that up...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/12 19:18:38


Post by: BrookM


So it would seem come to think of it. I guess the third Nagash novel will tackle his first demise and resurrection, resulting in the slaying of many a rat thing.

I also regret not having started on Soul Hunter earlier. It's really, really good. Move over McNeill, we have a new marine writer in town and he can write them good. He really has a way of making the Night Lords cool and not like those other chaos dopes.

"I HEARD BOLTERS."


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/12 20:38:24


Post by: Kanluwen


Personally, I thought the best part of Soul Hunter was the interplay between the mutated/"Gifted" Night Lords...and those who thought they were traitors to the Legion.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 14:27:04


Post by: reds8n


Soul Hunter is indeed full of win and will make you 15% more attractive if you read it.


I have similar feelings about the 2nd Nagash book as to above.

Spoiler:
It was written well enough, and it was indeed a page turner, but it really felt like book 2 of 3, merely setting up things for the closing book. The bits with Nagash wandering around were...well...not dull as such, but not too exciting either. I was more interested in the goings on back in Nehekhara and the initial birth of the Vampires, did love the twist with Alcadizaar though, that was/is a great idea and adds to the pathos nicely.


Now reading Flesh and Iron by Mr. Zou... very Vietnam movie thusly far... but.. that kind of works. We'll see.

Got "Waiting Death", the new audio book as well. It's alright, weakest of those releases so far, mainly I think as it doesn't really go anywhere or tie into anything as such and this renders it all a bit..... pointless ? Arbitrary ? Something like this anyway. Well produced and good to see..alright hear the guard get some loving as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/books/bestseller/bestpapermassfiction.html?ref=bestseller

22 eh ? That's some going.

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Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 16:07:15


Post by: reds8n


Sigmar, the first Emperor, is a god amongst men, a peerless leader and an unbreakable warrior. Having defeated the Chaos invasion of Middenheim, the Empire knows a measure of peace. But in the vast deserts of Nehekhara, another empire is rising. Nagash, the most feared of necromancers, is determined to claim dominance over the Old World, crushing all before him with an unstoppable and nightmarish army. Legions of unnatural creatures swarm the Empire. Sigmar must defend the lands of the living from the hordes of the dead and prevent Nagash's terrible vision of power coming true.


http://www.blacklibrary.com/Time-of-Legends/God-King.html


There's a few other books on the site now too.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Warhammer/Warhammer-heroes/Wulfrik.html

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Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 19:01:47


Post by: Alpharius


OK, that cover is awesome!

The Time of Legends series has been a good, fun read so far.

And so has the Horus Heresy series too, for the most part.

Wonder if there's a connection there somewhere...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 20:17:36


Post by: ginger_nid_dude


When did the new BL site go live?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 20:30:51


Post by: Kanluwen


Over the weekend, real quietlike.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 20:32:53


Post by: BrookM


Alpharius wrote:OK, that cover is awesome!

The Time of Legends series has been a good, fun read so far.

And so has the Horus Heresy series too, for the most part.

Wonder if there's a connection there somewhere...
It feels good that they are giving their background such a great treatment and serious treatment.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 20:57:23


Post by: Death By Monkeys


Not to derail the BL conversation, but did I remember hearing a rumor awhile back that Forgeworld was going to be getting a new webpage, too?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 21:07:16


Post by: BrookM


That they said yes. Not any time soon though.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 21:08:26


Post by: Kanluwen


I think they're getting all the finnicky bits done 'offline' so to speak. They seem to have learned from Black Library's shenanigans of no website=baaad.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/17 21:13:02


Post by: BrookM


FW is more reliant on their site than BL though in the long run. I do hope that they don't add in fixed Dollar and Euro prices like in their catalogues, as 34 quid is not 45 euros.

Anyway, back on topic, I just ordered Space Marine. Should I worry now?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/18 14:39:53


Post by: reds8n


.....clever Zoat !


anyway... remember the link/interview I posted a page or so back, specifically the whole

Our April release is an anthology of Blood Angels comic strips and short stories, and contains one all-new story along with the prose version of Heart of Rage that was previously only available as an audio drama.


Said tome also contains a shoprt story called "Crimson Night" as well and comes in this cover


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Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/22 04:50:22


Post by: Gridge


Taking the advice of many in this thread I have picked up Soul Hunter...I have to say that it (at this point) is an absolutely great book and perhaps my favorite from BL so far. The author is truly exceptional. I was never a fan of the Night Lords, until now! I see great things for this writer.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/22 11:52:43


Post by: BrookM


After reading the first book in the Pauldron trilogy I can't help but notice that each and every Chapter seems to be rife with dissent and internal struggle.

Is this all because Marines skip puberty and become super-humans or what?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/22 12:34:23


Post by: Balance


Dissent and internal struggle is interesting.

Also, in my admittedly limited experience, it's very difficult to really get a lot of cohesion in human beings beyond relatively small groups of maybe 10 or so. I think a psych course I took may have even set that at 5 or 8...

Any larger group will have some sort of subgroups. At the bet, they're workable teams that maybe compete for glory or recognition but cooperate towards the goal, and at worse they're about to actively schism.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/22 12:48:17


Post by: Alpharius


BrookM wrote:After reading the first book in the Pauldron trilogy I can't help but notice that each and every Chapter seems to be rife with dissent and internal struggle.

Is this all because Marines skip puberty and become super-humans or what?


Now THAT is funny!

And quite possibly, true!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/23 04:40:11


Post by: lords2001


BrookM wrote:After reading the first book in the Pauldron trilogy I can't help but notice that each and every Chapter seems to be rife with dissent and internal struggle.

Is this all because Marines skip puberty and become super-humans or what?


Pauldron trillogy? Linkage? I can't find it.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/23 08:01:39


Post by: BrookM


Nick Kyme's Salamander books. I thought the guys here were overreacting as always, but Nick really likes to use the word "pauldron" a lot. So much in fact that the word is now odd and foreign to me and I've dropped the novel in favour of Stieg Larsson.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/23 08:22:18


Post by: lords2001


BrookM wrote:Nick Kyme's Salamander books. I thought the guys here were overreacting as always, but Nick really likes to use the word "pauldron" a lot. So much in fact that the word is now odd and foreign to me and I've dropped the novel in favour of Stieg Larsson.


He does. Its even lamer though that the book is such a damned hard read for the first half. The second half gets slightly easier once the battle gets flowing, but damn!



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/23 08:40:34


Post by: reds8n


..hope you all got your orders in for the ultra limited edition Iron Warrior book yesterday ?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/23 08:42:21


Post by: BrookM


I thought about it but I'm going to settle for Space Marine instead. I find 30 quid a bit too steep for that book, even with those included extras.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/24 00:05:40


Post by: Gridge


BrookM wrote:After reading the first book in the Pauldron trilogy I can't help but notice that each and every Chapter seems to be rife with dissent and internal struggle.

Is this all because Marines skip puberty and become super-humans or what?


That would only be the case if dissent and internal struggle were only present amongst the immature . Marines are altered to be pure warriors and the pinnacle of human perfection so you would have to imagine that would make for some pigheaded, brash, arrogant behavior. Plus, even the primarchs were flawed.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/24 00:48:39


Post by: Lord of battles


Gridge wrote: Plus, even the primarchs were flawed.

NOOOOOOOOOOO REALLY???
I would have never guessed!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/24 07:04:12


Post by: Flachzange


Just finished A thousand Sons. What a brilliant read!
Next up: Soul Hunter


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/29 16:38:44


Post by: BrookM


Space Marine just came in and well..



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/29 17:49:46


Post by: Alpharius


Flachzange wrote:Just finished A thousand Sons. What a brilliant read!
Next up: Soul Hunter


It was good, but they missed out on a chance to fix the mistake to the whole Psychic/Sorcery thing that Alan "If it ain't broke, I will break it!" Merritt introduced.

Oh well!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/29 22:08:10


Post by: lords2001


Soul Hunter - very good, but not the most brilliant thing ever written as some boards have been saying. However, Aaron D-B does have a very flowing and dark style - something seen in Cadian Blood, and further moving on here- I would like to read the First Heretic very much.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/29 22:14:01


Post by: tinfoil


Yep, I'll concur on Soul Hunter: plot is basic BL fare, but Aaron D-B knows how to turn a phrase. He writes with authentically grim dark flair. And the whole aura of the Night Lords (decimated, riven, riding crippled battle cruisers with skeleton crews and dwindling numbers of Astartes) is vividly drawn. A solid read here by an effective storyteller. (And I don't say that about too many Black Librarians.)


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/29 22:16:28


Post by: BrookM


He's best new talent.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/29 22:52:05


Post by: lords2001


BrookM wrote:He's best new talent.


He's certainly the quickest new talent - but I think Henry Zho (Zhu?) is just as good well - he has a different style, but it packs a heck of a lot more in as far as scene setting and general understanding go - loose threads for the larger plot, but tied together nicely by the author.

And Tinfoil - I do agree about the setting up of the Night Lords etc. I think the next book could really go places now that the general scene is set.

Oh. On his blog he sort of mentioned that he may be doing a Night Lords book for the Horus Heresy series - even after saying that he would prefer having a dwarf taking a hammer to his balls while listening to slayer over doing so.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/30 17:57:53


Post by: reds8n


Got my signed limited edition copy of "Iron Warrior" by McNeill today..looks lovely, bit pricey but can a fanboy ever really put a value on things...

..hmm... don't answer that actually.

Review to follow soon.ish.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/30 22:43:36


Post by: lords2001


reds8n wrote:Got my signed limited edition copy of "Iron Warrior" by McNeill today..looks lovely, bit pricey but can a fanboy ever really put a value on things...

..hmm... don't answer that actually.

Review to follow soon.ish.


Sounds good - let us know what its like.

By the by, I'm re-reading Empire by Graham McNiell at the moment. Is it just me, or do these feel really, really washed out? Like he just had to churn it out, and his hold on the backstory isn't so strong?

Because I'm really trying to see some depth here, and I'm coming up with ... well... not much.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/31 05:27:06


Post by: Kanluwen


lords2001 wrote:Soul Hunter - very good, but not the most brilliant thing ever written as some boards have been saying. However, Aaron D-B does have a very flowing and dark style - something seen in Cadian Blood, and further moving on here- I would like to read the First Heretic very much.

Heretic! Heretic! Heretic!



I'm more excited for "Throne of Lies" than "First Heretic", to tell the truth. It's likely to be the one and only audiobook I own.

Just wish that GW would put the audiobooks up as .mp3s/.aac formats and available for purchase on iTunes or their website.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/31 05:31:27


Post by: Manchu


Alright. I now have to buy Soul Hunter since it is apparently the apotheosis of 40k fiction. And, after devouring Cadian Blood, I can well believe it.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/31 06:01:33


Post by: Shaman


Soul hunter rules my BL books Pyramid.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/03/31 08:43:26


Post by: Flachzange


Agreed. Soul Hunter is aces!



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/01 14:31:46


Post by: lords2001


I know I'm behind the release schedule, but I'm enjoying A Thousand Sons at the moment. The beginning was rather strong, the middle... so so. I'll see how it ends.

Also have Nagash the Unbroken - I'll see how it goes.

By the way, I do like the extra length - feels and looks weightier - keep it going Black Library!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/01 15:49:05


Post by: Lord of battles


By the way how many Black library books does dakka own?
Personaly i own over 1000 bucks in novels, codexs, white dwarfs!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/03 13:31:50


Post by: BrookM


Space Marine is horrible. And not a good read. Not even in the "haha so bad its good" category.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/03 18:14:48


Post by: reds8n


Don't say you weren't warned.

Still..rollerskates and shuriken weapons eh... no ? Tough audience.

That is the definitive Bolt Gun sound affects in that book for me still though.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/03 20:23:33


Post by: BrookM


Raaaaark-pop indeed.

It does make me wonder what the target demographic was for the book back then. 13 years and younger?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/03 20:47:45


Post by: Lord of battles


I just bought soul hunter!!!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/08 14:59:09


Post by: reds8n


..good aint it eh ?

meanwhile....

From Gaunt's Ghosts to the Phantine Air Corp, Dan Abnett's Sabbat Worlds have thrown up a wealth of 40K heroes and villains over the years. This October we're planning to let some of our other authors loose in this brutal warzone, with a Sabbat Worlds anthology. The book will feature stories from some of our most respected authors, including Graham McNeill, Aaron Dembski-Bowden and Mr Abnett himself. The authors have all donned peaked caps in preparation and moved into Dan's spare room. (It's a bit of a squeeze, but the cramped conditions in the bunk beds are a perfect way to help them picture military life in the 41st millennium.) We've not done anything quite so drastic here in BL Towers, but we have commissioned this rather tasty cover art from Stefan Kopinksi.



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Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/08 15:30:29


Post by: migsula


Alpharius wrote:
As much as I like to make fun of Ultramarines (and I do!), you've go to give him some credit - Ultramar is pretty much the only place any one of us would like living in that Galaxy!





Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/08 23:18:39


Post by: Gadge


Has anyone heard about Anthony Reynolds other Bretonnian books? Read the 1st two were a good read, got into the characters. Just finished Machanicum as well, was the 1st horus heresy book I have read, really good, Is there anymore of the Horus Heresy books that mentions the 'dragon' of mars in it?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/09 02:52:01


Post by: Alpharius


Gadge wrote:Has anyone heard about Anthony Reynolds other Bretonnian books? Read the 1st two were a good read, got into the characters. Just finished Machanicum as well, was the 1st horus heresy book I have read, really good, Is there anymore of the Horus Heresy books that mentions the 'dragon' of mars in it?


Nope!

As far as I remember, that's it!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/09 03:55:00


Post by: nels1031


Gadge wrote:Has anyone heard about Anthony Reynolds other Bretonnian books? Read the 1st two were a good read, got into the characters. Just finished Machanicum as well, was the 1st horus heresy book I have read, really good, Is there anymore of the Horus Heresy books that mentions the 'dragon' of mars in it?


Ya, I liked the Knight series as well. Probably some of my favorite BL Warhammer fiction. In the first book, I found myself liking the two protaganists, even though if memory serves correct , they have a group of starving peasants executed! In the second, I was riveted by the duel between the grail knight and the norse warlord. And Chlod the seemingly unkillable peasant is pretty funny! Really enjoying the maturation of the main knight as he most likely climbs the ladder to a full grail knight.




Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/09 19:52:43


Post by: reds8n


Hmm.. seems there has been a bit of a BL leak then...

From Heresy Online , some fine ninja work by Commissar Ploss has revealed the existence of a forthcoming Deathwatch P.O.D. collection.

For the work/web blocked

Commissar Ploss reporting in with a Heresy-Online Exclusive!

I have in my possession a copy of Kill Squad, a Deathwatch Omnibus. One of the Black Library's newest Print On Demand books.

Information regarding this book, along with a copy, was leaked to me form a source inside Games Workshop. This title hasn't yet appeared in any information released to the public, nor is there a release date slated for this title yet. Nothing on the Black Library Website either. When i contacted Black Library about this title, specifically the people who handle the POD material, they claimed that such a title didn't exist. what a joke, as you will see from the images below.

This is a new release, not an old reissue, as it utilizes the new Black Library logo.

Kill Squad contains the duology of CS Goto titles Warrior Brood and Warrior Coven, as well as the Deathwatch graphic novel by Jim Alexander and Graham Stoddart.

Please enjoy this Heresy-Online exclusive!

brought to you by your friend and fellow Heretic,

Commissar Ploss



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Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/09 20:13:29


Post by: Death By Monkeys


Hm. I have really mixed feelings about this. It'd be cool to get the DW graphic novel. But do I have to buy the Goto books to get it?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/09 20:17:16


Post by: Dutch508


porkuslime wrote:
legoburner wrote:
The Horus Heresy panel also hinted at a MASSIVE twist that will "blow everyone's minds". However they could not comment on it further but were visibly brimming with excitement, stating loads of ideas have been going around, and said it will turn the whole 40k universe around a bit. Begin Internet conjecture....



I suspect.. (and don't quote me or anything)... Horus MAY totally rebel and decide to rule the galaxy, and actually ASSAULT Terra.. maybe even get to fight mano-a-mano with his clone father..

THAT would be a major blow to the Emperor and the Space Legions..

(Oh, and Legoburner... thanks for the info!)


"Luke...I am...Your Father...er...Horus...you know what I mean."

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo.....ah...yeah...I know, Dad."



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/10 14:01:52


Post by: BrookM


Started on Flesh and Iron, I'm a bit miffed that Henry is again describing Vultures as being Valkyries.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/11 21:19:44


Post by: Gadge


Seems that Questing knight comes out in September this year found this on amazon Still a wee wait tho.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Questing-Knight-Anthony-Reynolds/dp/1844168271

Cant wait for this one, hope that it gives hints to what we can expect in new Bretonnian book down the line.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/11 21:22:31


Post by: Kanluwen


BrookM wrote:Started on Flesh and Iron, I'm a bit miffed that Henry is again describing Vultures as being Valkyries.

I almost get the sinking feeling that Zou's Vultures are a different craft entirely.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/11 22:45:50


Post by: BrookM


Kanluwen wrote:
BrookM wrote:Started on Flesh and Iron, I'm a bit miffed that Henry is again describing Vultures as being Valkyries.

I almost get the sinking feeling that Zou's Vultures are a different craft entirely.
I'd love it if he would point that out. It bothered me when I read the first book in the series and it is bothering me now with book two.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/11 23:54:29


Post by: Kanluwen


BrookM wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
BrookM wrote:Started on Flesh and Iron, I'm a bit miffed that Henry is again describing Vultures as being Valkyries.

I almost get the sinking feeling that Zou's Vultures are a different craft entirely.
I'd love it if he would point that out. It bothered me when I read the first book in the series and it is bothering me now with book two.

Honestly, I don't remember it from "Emperor's Mercy". And I'm not really caring enough to reread it to spot it again. Zou is okay, but very bland.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/12 00:04:06


Post by: Balance


Gadge wrote:Seems that Questing knight comes out in September this year found this on amazon Still a wee wait tho.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Questing-Knight-Anthony-Reynolds/dp/1844168271

Cant wait for this one, hope that it gives hints to what we can expect in new Bretonnian book down the line.


Aren't Amazon release dates known to be best guesses?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/12 06:21:36


Post by: Kanluwen



Lovingly hijacked from ADB's blog. He's also got a snippet of his short story over there.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/12 06:29:03


Post by: pops101


k the big twist is obviously the assassin killing conrad kruz, primarch of the night lords and the only traitor primarch that is dead for sure.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/12 06:30:25


Post by: Kanluwen


Horus is definitely dead, don't know where you've been mate...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/12 08:06:13


Post by: BrookM


pops101 wrote:k the big twist is obviously the assassin killing conrad kruz, primarch of the night lords and the only traitor primarch that is dead for sure.
How is this a big twist? It was pretty much cast into the stone from the beginning.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/12 18:48:40


Post by: Kanluwen


For my Guard novel loving brothers, we've now got an excerpt from the upcoming "Redemption Corps"!

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/r/redemption-corps.pdf

They've managed to keep a big wrap on the plot till now, but it seems to be the Stormtroopers are hunting a renegade Guard regiment that's hiding amongst a Hive City.
I'm loving it.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/12 19:22:37


Post by: BrookM


Good stuff! I'll be looking forward to this one for sure.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/12 19:55:10


Post by: Kanluwen


I have to say, I wasn't expecting much from it. But the extract made me put it on my list for next month from Amazon.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/12 22:04:02


Post by: BrookM


It's stylish even if it doesn't make much sense right now. Chances are this is just a compilation of the first chapter.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/16 13:54:11


Post by: reds8n


James Swallow wrote:Information on this has been around online for a while now - at least since the official breaking of the news back at the Black Library Live! event in February - but now that ink is drying on contracts and wheels are turning, I'm pleased to announce that I'm working on three new audiobook projects for the Black Library.

Two of these audios will feature the character of Nathaniel Garro in a key role, picking up from where I left him at the end of the Horus Heresy novel The Flight of the Eisenstein.

Back when I wrote Flight..., I had a great feeling about Nathaniel, but I didn't realise how hugely popular he would prove with the readership. Since the release of the book, I've been asked over and over again about what happened to him, and where his eventual fate would lay. So I'm going to answer some - but not all - of those questions.

Garro's return to the Horus Heresy will come in Oath of Moment, and later be followed by a second story entitled Legion of One. I've already seen a first pass of the cover art for Oath... and I have to say it looks pretty damned cool.

In addition to the two Garro tales, I'm also writing a Sisters of Battle audiobook. Red & Black (previously announced under the working title of Iron & Bone) will be a prequel to my 2006 novel Faith & Fire, and will feature the character of Sister Celestian Miriya.

Release dates and cast are still to be confirmed at this stage, but rest assured I'll be talking more about these stories in the months ahead.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/16 19:56:51


Post by: combatmedic


Kanluwen wrote:. Zou is okay, but very bland.


Oh good, I thought something was awry when reading Emperors Mercy. Almost done... dont ruin it for me.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/16 20:53:11


Post by: reds8n


+100 Internet points for working a Gaunts Ghost reference into that post there.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/26 19:55:13


Post by: Gadge


I just checked on WHSmith website for questing knight and it has the release date for 3rd of may?!

http://www.whsmith.co.uk/CatalogAndSearch/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=9781844168262#

Seems a bit strange since there was nothing in the May WD. But the other books in this series have been released every year in May. I just hope its true really want to read this one, becoming a bit obsessive ha.

Anyway, just letting you guys know, what do yous think? I cant see it coming out in May.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/26 20:26:23


Post by: BrookM


Whatever happened to not checking the BL site first? They've got no info on your book and they've got their upcoming releases up for display until January next year.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/26 20:39:11


Post by: Gadge


Yeah I seen, but was hoping inside it was still coming


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/26 21:26:10


Post by: BrookM


Word of the wise creepyface, check the BL site first for release info, they are a whole lot more reliable than other sites. It also helps to follow their twitter or Facebook accounts, as they sometimes post previews or teasers there.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/26 21:40:40


Post by: Gadge


Yeah I will check BL twitter page, never knew they had one thanks for the info brookM. I did check the BL site, but was just hoping they 'forgot' to put it up haha. Oh well looks like i just need to wait....sigh

And please dont insult my mate dave, he is sensative about his face and his receding hairline


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/26 21:57:58


Post by: BrookM


No problem, glad to be of help.

You know, has Dave considered implants?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/27 23:56:21


Post by: Bad Juju


So, a few years ago I was at a Games Day Baltimore when I heard an interesting rumour/theory from some GW staff I won't name, which would be interesting if related to this "big twist" that was mentioned.

The theory was, Since Horus was a close clone to the emperor himself (although corrupted at the time of the heresy) the wrong broken body was placed into the Golden Throne and really its been Horus there all along, and the Emperor's body is missing, explaining the "divine" interventions we see in fiction since the heresy, not discounting that maybe the Emperor is still broken and not operating at full capacity,... just not from the throne.. And the empire is now a darker place as Horus is kept alive mentally ruling from Terra..

Thoughts?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 09:30:32


Post by: BrookM


The next BL only release will be Dan Abnett's Fell Cargo, no info on what the thirteen quid novel will contain.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 12:42:15


Post by: Alpharius


Bad Juju wrote:So, a few years ago I was at a Games Day Baltimore when I heard an interesting rumour/theory from some GW staff I won't name, which would be interesting if related to this "big twist" that was mentioned.

The theory was, Since Horus was a close clone to the emperor himself (although corrupted at the time of the heresy) the wrong broken body was placed into the Golden Throne and really its been Horus there all along, and the Emperor's body is missing, explaining the "divine" interventions we see in fiction since the heresy, not discounting that maybe the Emperor is still broken and not operating at full capacity,... just not from the throne.. And the empire is now a darker place as Horus is kept alive mentally ruling from Terra..

Thoughts?


Not likely.

Everything we know tells us that Horus was obliterated completely by the Emperor, and that the Emperor gave Dorn the final instructions for his internment in the Golden Throne as he lay mortally wounded.

And, the Throne needs the power of an off the charts Psyker to keep it going. That was going to be Magnus, but that didn't work out, so the only other candidate is... the Emperor.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 15:43:52


Post by: Kanluwen


"Redemption Corps" has begun shipping from Amazon, and it was announced today that Gav Thorpe's "Aenarion" is going to be an audiobook.

Hrmph.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 15:50:23


Post by: reds8n


Yeah, we knew that already ..keep up !

I've read Helsreach, Legends of the Space Marines and the first third of Redemption Corps. in the last week or so.

Helsreach was ace, not Soul Hunter good, but easily the best representation of the BTs yet in a BL book.

The "Legends..." compilation is the usual mixed bag, all alright at least though..even the C.S. Goto one !

Redemption Corps. hhmmm.... left it for a bit and will come back to it, think after 4 or 5 40K books in a (very short) row I might just be 40ked out, so I'm reading the Brunner omnibus instead, which is cracking thus far.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 16:05:21


Post by: Kanluwen


You're over in the UK! Gawd! You get everything earlier

Also:
Have you read the Dresden Files at all, Red? Because holy Christ, the most recent one "Changes" has cemented me as a reader for life.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 16:14:01


Post by: reds8n


...that's Socialism for ya !



Nope, this is the same/similar as the TV series is it ? I'll bear them in mind for future absorption.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 16:15:22


Post by: Kanluwen


The TV series was, according to Jim Butcher "decided to be set in an alternative universe".

He did it mostly so they wouldn't be seeming too much like the just released "Constantine" movie or "Angel" and "Buffy" which were still airing.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 17:05:30


Post by: H.B.M.C.


reds8n wrote:The "Legends..." compilation is the usual mixed bag, all alright at least though..even the C.S. Goto one !\


Wait, hold on, stop. They still let Goto 'write' for them (and I expand the definition of the word 'write' here to include people who know the alphabet)?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 18:42:53


Post by: reds8n


Indeed, "The Trial of the Mantis Warriors". Set just after/tail end of Huron's rebellion, and the repercussions thereof for those chapters who sided with him.

.. it's an alright tale too IIRC, but I've only read it the once thus far.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 18:50:44


Post by: nels1031


reds8n wrote:Indeed, "The Trial of the Mantis Warriors". Set just after/tail end of Huron's rebellion, and the repercussions thereof for those chapters who sided with him.

.. it's an alright tale too IIRC, but I've only read it the once thus far.


Ya, I saved it for last (or for never) because it was Goto, but I thought it was passable.

Spoiler:
A Chapter Master reliving his mistakes in the face of a court of Inquisitors/Chapter Masters/ Ecclesiarch officials who are determined to find the cause of the rebellion. Actually pretty good imo. No mention of multi lasers.


tags added for spoilers !


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/28 19:45:52


Post by: BrookM


This October sees the release of our first Time of Legends audio drama: Aenarion. Aenarion's story is one of the cornerstones of high elf history, so we've placed it in the capable hands of Black Library stalwart, Gav Thorpe. As with the ToL novel covers we've managed to rope in Jon 'sleep is for wimps' Sullivan. We reminded him that CD covers are actually quite small, but it didn't stop him layering an insane amount of detail onto Aenarion's armour. It seems a crime that we're going to have to show it so small on the cover, so here's the whole piece in all its unadulterated glory.



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/29 07:01:31


Post by: Flachzange


Beautiful cover.
Im about 100 pages into Shadow King and Im loving the elvish history. I think this audiobook should turn out to be awesome as well, even though we do know quite a bit about Aenarion already. Im looking forward to it


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/29 13:35:27


Post by: Gadge


Yes it is an awesome cover. I just finished reading shadow king, I thought was good, a bit slow to start but gets really good later on. Need to get this as well


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/29 19:50:20


Post by: combatmedic


Started the second Nagash book. So far so good... not as much timeline jumping as the last book (so far).


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/30 09:01:00


Post by: reds8n


I prefer it to the first one, although..

Spoiler:
I was mroe interested in the proto vamps than what Nagash was doing


In the latest issue of SFX magazine, Terry Pratchett is the guest editor. In one part he claims that if Citadel minis had been around when he was young he never would have been a writer, but President of the Warhammer fanclub instead.

all that could have been eh !


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/30 10:22:25


Post by: BrookM


Wow, Pratchett can replace Sandy Mitchell any time of the day when it comes to witty fun stuff.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/30 12:31:34


Post by: reds8n


Goes to show what an odd route GW's publishing arm has taken to get where it is today.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in Gotham City...

There's some new extracts up on the BL site for a few titles, including Nemesis.



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/04/30 15:14:06


Post by: Alpharius


reds8n wrote: Goes to show what an odd route GW's publishing arm has taken to get where it is today.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in Gotham City...

There's some new extracts up on the BL site for a few titles, including Nemesis.



Nice find there - thank you!

I find Mr. Swallow's Horus Heresy books to be among his best work.

There's either a stronger editorial and/or guiding hand presence, I guess.

Unlike, say, his Blood Angels stories...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/04 18:30:31


Post by: Kanluwen


So, here's a bump.

With something awesome.





Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/04 18:44:58


Post by: Flachzange


Thats pretty freakin awesome artwork! The art is really getting better and better


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/04 18:49:21


Post by: Alpharius


WOW!

Where is that Raven Guard art from?

And, where is it going to end up?

Awesome!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/04 19:10:19


Post by: Kanluwen


The Raven Guard art is from Howard Fowler.

And it does not say where it's going to end up. My money's on a Raven Guard Scout novel.


Which in itself is awesome.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/05 01:02:06


Post by: Alpharius


Kanluwen wrote:The Raven Guard art is from Howard Fowler.

And it does not say where it's going to end up. My money's on a Raven Guard Scout novel.


Which in itself is awesome.


You're right, on so many levels!

Can't wait to find out what it is for, when it will be released and, most importantly, who will be writing it!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/05 07:25:51


Post by: BrookM


Chances are that the DA art is for the Piscina(sp) project that Gav is working on.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/05 07:44:40


Post by: Kanluwen


Of course it is, Brook.

It's done by Jon Sullivan, who does all the heavy hitting covers.

And correction on the Fowler guy.

His name is Hardy Fowler.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/05 08:33:57


Post by: reds8n


BrookM wrote:Chances are that the DA art is for the Piscina(sp) project that Gav is working on.


That is the cover for "The Purging of Kadillus".


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Black Library have released their latest Youtube film :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Waod1IZA10c



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/05 12:13:02


Post by: Flachzange


I eagerly await Nemesis!! And I hope there really is something about chaotic assassins as well. That would be wicked.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/05 16:04:21


Post by: Kanluwen


"Fell Cargo" according to Dan Abnett, is a reprint of a Warhammer fantasy novel he did about pirates.

Didn't say anything more about it.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/05 19:07:39


Post by: Captain Roderick


I've got a copy from the original run, for some daft reason have never read it - it's been buried with a lot of my other gumf. May well read it in the next week or so and let you guys know if you like?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/06 14:07:47


Post by: Alpharius


I'm as big an Abnett mark as anyone, but I've never read "Fell Cargo".

I think I already know the answer but... is it worth picking up?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/06 14:16:30


Post by: skrulnik


Fell Cargo is a pretty good little pirate story that just happens to be set in the Old World.

Its interesting because most of the characters are from the Spain/Italy/Portugal-equivalent areas of the Old World.

its only about 200 pages. I think i got it read in an evening.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/06 15:45:39


Post by: reds8n


http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon?filter_action=3&filter_value=2

Now with early 2011 titles added.

Helion Rain for the RG looks like an audiobook, Age of Darkness is a HH short collection set between Istvaan and the initial assault on Terra I believe.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/06 19:18:11


Post by: BrookM


Fell Cargo is a fun book, if a bit steeped in the clichés attached to pirates. It was however written well before the Pirates of the Caribean movies ruined things.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/06 19:23:35


Post by: Platuan4th


skrulnik wrote:Its interesting because most of the characters are from the Spain/Italy/Portugal-equivalent areas of the Old World.


Estalia and Tilea. We need more books with places that are rarely mentioned (and don't have army books).


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/06 19:43:52


Post by: Alpharius


reds8n wrote:http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon?filter_action=3&filter_value=2

Now with early 2011 titles added.

Helion Rain for the RG looks like an audiobook, Age of Darkness is a HH short collection set between Istvaan and the initial assault on Terra I believe.


NO!!!

NO MORE AUDIO BOOKS THAT INVOLVE RAVEN GUARD!

Plus, I can't wait for the Xenos Loving Nerd Rage over this one!

"Victories of the Space Marines"

From planet to planet, the xenos threat will stop at nothing to expand their dominion. Home worlds are shattered, and humanity faces a desperate fight for survival. There is a hope – superhuman warriors serving the glory of the Emperor, standing proudly in defiance of inhuman foes. These metal-clad giants lay waste to the barbarous orks, the soulless necrons and the horrors of the Great Devourer. In the remains of their enemies, they stand triumphant.



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/07 07:18:15


Post by: Firewarrior1141


Lol dang, its not like you have to listen to it. Although it may be a waste of time.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/07 12:41:50


Post by: Alpharius


Firewarrior1141 wrote:Lol dang, its not like you have to listen to it. Although it may be a waste of time.


I know I don't have to LISTEN to it.

I want to READ it instead, OK?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/07 14:25:28


Post by: Kanluwen


AND IN A SUDDEN TWIST!

Black Library has announced their newest author!

Black Library wrote:

Meet the new guy! NYT best-selling author Karen Traviss spills the beans about Black Library's new Dawn of War... http://bit.ly/bkb9Jf

This bodes well. I love her Republic Commando novels.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/07 22:08:15


Post by: Flachzange


Now THAT will be interesting, what with the Karen Travesty still fresh in the mind of all that follow the SW EU closely.

Personally, Im stoked. I love her RC books and I think she could fit in the WH universe as well. She does put a lot of thought and backround into her books so I think shed be able to actually get the facts right. And shed probably have a chance to develop something unique in all the ways she wants without somebody makin restrictions like in the SW universe.


wait a second... this isnt even about karen....

There's nothing that makes a mother* more proud than to see her boy succeed.

I'm delighted to be able to say that Jim Gilmer's first book is out in March 2011. He's joined the noble ranks of the tie-in writer community, and will be bringing his unique take on life to the Warhammer universe. I expect you to buy DAWN OF WAR 2: RETRIBUTION. That's an order.

I'm ferociously proud of Jim. He's busted his arse for years to become a professional novelist - and now he's done it. You have no idea how good it feels to be able to say that. Go Jim!

He has more books coming up, too. I'll expect you to buy those as well.

Conan... what is best in life?

(*We've tormented many people with this joke, and some really do believe Jim is the fruit of my loins. He's not. But it's good for a laugh. It dates back to our Clarion days.)


This from her blog: http://karentraviss.typepad.com/blog/2010/05/that-s-my-boy.html


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/07 22:15:09


Post by: Kanluwen


I sincerely doubt she'd be okayed to spill the beans about a property she has no association with.


However, if she's not coming to Black Library I will be pissed.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/08 03:42:25


Post by: Alpharius


I'm confused now.

Still... we'll see I guess!


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/10 09:23:08


Post by: Captain Roderick


it was her blog, her mate jim or something is the one writing for BL.

Also, from the 'coming soon' - Garro's back! Bringing Death Guard skills to the fore as the first imperial inquisitor! Let's hope Dan's advising Jim on the espionage writing, since we know Jim can do action justice...


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 12:34:54


Post by: CaptainLoken


"Karen Travesty"

Could you explain this? I tried to look it up, but couldn't find anything.

Thanks.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 12:41:54


Post by: Mookie Blaylock


Nice work reds8n, can't wait for the next few books.

Mookie


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 12:58:19


Post by: Flachzange


CaptainLoken wrote:"Karen Travesty"

Could you explain this? I tried to look it up, but couldn't find anything.

Thanks.


Sure. Its also known as the Karen Traviss controversy You'll get a few hits when searching for that.
To make it short though: As you probably know, Traviss wrote the STAR WARS Republic commando series which featured a lot of Mandos/Mando lifestyle and some such. She introduced a lot of backstory for the mandos which gathered a massive fanbase. After the book 501st Imperial Commando, Lucas decided to redcon her plans for the sequel to 501st due to ... well he mustve had a reason (Couldve been the animated series, could be the TV series that is planned). She felt so strongly attached to her story-arc, that she didnt think it possible to finish the Imperial Commando story with the boundaries Lucas had put onto the Mando fluff and decided to not write the novel. It would seem that it will be picked up by another author, but who is unknown yet.

I guess thats it in a nutshell. Theres been a lot of discussion bout this all over the interwebs as well as her blog. You should find plenty of stuff.

Personally, I really like her SW work as well as all the Mando-fluff while im not all that thrilled about the pacifist elements of mando culture. If THAT was the issue between Traviss and Lucasarts tho, Id find it rather sad. She knew she would be playing on someone elses sandbox when she started writing as SW and it is and will always be Lucas' universe. So he can do whatever he likes. It would seem that she wasnt willing to find a compromise there. I dunno. Sad either way.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 13:36:41


Post by: reds8n


..he means Mandalorians ^


meanwhile.... interview with Graham McNeill



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 14:46:22


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Has there been any more recent word on Abnett's Eisenhorn spinoffs, such as the Bequin Trilogy and the other side-stories?

I just finished Eisenhorn, am about to start Ravenor, and I really want more of this stuff.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 15:05:49


Post by: reds8n


Last "news" was he hopes to start on the 3rd ( and final) trilogy within the next year.



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 18:06:19


Post by: BrookM


I do hope that this trilogy can live up to both the Eisenhorn trilogy and the first Ravenor novel.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 18:18:21


Post by: CaptainLoken


I think Abnett has matured as a writter in the last several years, so the new stuff should be good.

p.s.
Thanks for the SW detail. If I had known Goto was so terrible, I would not have bought the Grey Knight books. Just wanted to make sure that GW was not getting another Goto.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 19:32:28


Post by: Kanluwen


Uh, you know that Goto didn't write the Grey Knight books, right?


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 19:35:30


Post by: Ostrakon


BrookM wrote:I do hope that this trilogy can live up to both the Eisenhorn trilogy and the first Ravenor novel.


Hahaha

I don't really see what was so wrong with the rest of the trilogy, though. There were a couple of annoying aspects, but overall the Ravenor trilogy was just as entertaining as Eisenhorn in my opinion.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 19:55:34


Post by: BrookM


Ostrakon wrote:
BrookM wrote:I do hope that this trilogy can live up to both the Eisenhorn trilogy and the first Ravenor novel.


Hahaha

I don't really see what was so wrong with the rest of the trilogy, though. There were a couple of annoying aspects, but overall the Ravenor trilogy was just as entertaining as Eisenhorn in my opinion.
It started strong, the second novel was okay but to me personally the third novel just wasn't as great.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 20:01:11


Post by: Ostrakon


BrookM wrote:
Ostrakon wrote:
BrookM wrote:I do hope that this trilogy can live up to both the Eisenhorn trilogy and the first Ravenor novel.


Hahaha

I don't really see what was so wrong with the rest of the trilogy, though. There were a couple of annoying aspects, but overall the Ravenor trilogy was just as entertaining as Eisenhorn in my opinion.
It started strong, the second novel was okay but to me personally the third novel just wasn't as great.


I thought the second one was all right, but the third one's kind of slowed plot device
Spoiler:
you know, the stupid door
must have turned a lot of people off, and I don't really blame them. And if it wasn't for one of the best villains I've read in a while,
Spoiler:
Molotch
, I don't think I would have liked it very much either.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 20:48:44


Post by: Flachzange


Thanks for the link red. Good interview ... and Gav is up next week.

Im looking forward to the 3rd installment of the Sigmar/Nagash/Malekith series'. So far Ive enjoyed them all and hope theyll finish strong.

Now Eisenhorn is definately my favorite series. Ravenor is great, but in my eyes doesnt reach Eisenhorn. I hope that the Bequin series will live up to the our expectations.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/13 20:51:53


Post by: BrookM


Ostrakon wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Ostrakon wrote:
BrookM wrote:I do hope that this trilogy can live up to both the Eisenhorn trilogy and the first Ravenor novel.


Hahaha

I don't really see what was so wrong with the rest of the trilogy, though. There were a couple of annoying aspects, but overall the Ravenor trilogy was just as entertaining as Eisenhorn in my opinion.
It started strong, the second novel was okay but to me personally the third novel just wasn't as great.


I thought the second one was all right, but the third one's kind of slowed plot device
Spoiler:
you know, the stupid door
must have turned a lot of people off, and I don't really blame them. And if it wasn't for one of the best villains I've read in a while,
Spoiler:
Molotch
, I don't think I would have liked it very much either.
Yes.
Spoiler:
Both the door and the rather downer-ending did it in for me


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/14 15:45:43


Post by: Deep Throat


I gotta ask, is there any insight on a future Sisters of Battle novel? I like the first one a lot... but it's the only one.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/16 13:00:01


Post by: Flachzange


The BL page has been updated with a whole lot of upcoming novels.

We will see some of the following (i was mostly looking for 40k):

Helion Rain
The world of Idos is on the verge of destruction, wracked by catastrophic storms and plagued by ravening tyranids. Into this maelstrom come the Raven Guard 4th Company, the warzone perfectly suited to their lightning-strike methods of combat. Led by Veteran Sergeant Grayvus, their mission is simple – to rescue the planet’s last survivors. But in the midst of this nightmare, they receive new orders to locate and destroy a power station. The station is built upon a fault line, and the resulting quake would swallow thousands of tyranids and turn the war in the Imperium's favour. Grayvus and his company must fight their way through genestealers, acid spore mines and a deadly biomorph if they are to succeed and reclaim Idos for the Imperium.


This is the book with the Raven Guard scout

The Purging of Kadillus
Faced with an ork invasion of Piscina IV, the 3rd Company of the Dark Angels believes the threat to be minimal. As enemy numbers continue to increase, their commander, Captain Belial, insists that his Company are strong enough to resist. But Scout-Sergeant Naaman knows just how dangerous this foe can be, and when a renewed greenskin offensive takes the Dark Angels by surprise, the orks swarm towards Kadillus Harbour. Little do the Dark Angels know of the technological power available to the xenos, and the true scale of the threat they face. Belial, Naaman and their fellow Astartes fight a desperate siege at Kadillus, knowing that they must hold out until Imperial reinforcements arrive or the planet will be lost.


This is the Dark Angel cover book. As much as I enjoy the SM battle books, this will be the third one with orks. Not too thrilled on that, but i guess we will see.

Dawn of War 2 : Retribution
A Company of Blood Ravens Space Marines, led by Force Commander Aramus, are sent to quell a rebel uprising led by House Vandis. Only when they are thrust into battle do they realise their true foe is much more dangerous, and the rebellion is merely a front for a Chaos warhost. The Blood Ravens hunt the Black Legion and their followers throughout the system, but as the strain of frontline warfare takes its toll, the Blood Ravens must draw on their reserves of faith in the Emperor to resist the lure of Chaos.


Savage Scars
Dal’yth. The forces of the Greater Good have established a strangehold on the planet, and the time has come for the Imperium to move against them. The White Scars lead the ground assault against the tau, launching into combat with speed and fury, shedding blood as they gain ground against their enemies. Meanwhile, the members of the Crusade Council are determined to pursue their own agendas, and their politicking and back-stabbing will place the entire war effort in jeopardy. But little do they know that Inquisitor Grand has more extreme measures in mind, and the White Scars must achieve victory quickly or the cost to Dal’yth will be devastating.


Garro : Legion of One
Nathaniel Garro, loyalist Death Guard, and hero of the Eisenstein, has found a new calling in his service to the Emperor. Surrounded by a cloak of secrecy, Garro travels the galaxy in pursuit of his new goal. His quest will lead him to heart of the most destructive warzones, and reveal a secret that will change the course of the Horus Heresy itself...


This will be an audiobook

The Fall of Damnos
W

hen Damnos is hit by cataclysmic earthquakes, an ancient force is awakened. Deep beneath the earth, the necrons rise from their slumber to decimate the human populace. All appears lost until salvation comes from the heavens – the Ultramarines brave an orbital bombardment to deploy their forces on Damnos, led by two legendary warriors – Captain Cato Sicarius and Chief Librarian Tigurius.

They are the planet's last, great hope against the remorseless alien foes, but tensions within their ranks threaten to derail victory. As battle rages on Damnos, and the Ultramarines seek to defeat their soulless enemies, Tigurius receives a terrible vision – a vision telling of the death of a hero...


More UM on Necron action. And with Sicarius and Tigurius no less.

Victories of the Space Marines
From planet to planet, the enemies of mankind will stop at nothing to expand their dominion. Worlds are shattered, and their citizens face a desperate fight for survival. There is a hope – superhuman warriors serving the glory of the Emperor, standing proudly in defiance of inhuman foes. These metal-clad giants lay waste to the relentless hordes of xenos invaders and defend humanity against the insidious forces of Chaos. In the remains of their enemies, they stand triumphant.

They are the Space Marines. These are their victories.


Blood Reaver
A UNION OF CHAOS
Driven on by their hatred of the False Emperor, the Night Lords stalk the shadows of the galaxy, eternally seeking revenge for the death of their primarch. Their dark quest leads them to a fractious alliance with the Red Corsairs, united only by a common enemy. Together with this piratical band of renegades, they bring their ways of destruction to the fortress-monastery of the Marines Errant.
THEY SEEK ONLY TO BRING DEATH


Night Lord sequel!!!

Age of Darkness
After the betrayal at Isstvan, Horus begins his campaign against the Emperor, a galaxy-wide war that can lead only to Terra. But the road to the final confrontation between father and son is a long one – seven years filled with secrecy and silence, plans and foundations being formed across distant stars. An unknown history is about to be unveiled as light is shed on the darkest years of the Horus Heresy, and revelations will surface that will shake the Imperium to its very foundation...


More Horus Heresy action

Everything can be found here http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon?filter_action=3&filter_value=1


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/16 15:17:54


Post by: Kroothawk


Deep Throat wrote:I gotta ask, is there any insight on a future Sisters of Battle novel? I like the first one a lot... but it's the only one.

Surprisingly, the novel "Grey Knight" features a lot of Sororitas. It is also a good novel in itself.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/18 12:47:38


Post by: reds8n


Deep Throat wrote:I gotta ask, is there any insight on a future Sisters of Battle novel? I like the first one a lot... but it's the only one.


James Swallow, the author of the SoB book, is scheduled to do an audiobook called "Red and Black" about them, it's not scheduled yet however, mid to late next year at earliest IMO.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/18 15:10:35


Post by: Simonbarsinistr


I haven't read 'redemption corp', but it seems to feature the sisters a good bit.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/18 15:35:36


Post by: Deep Throat


Thanks a lot for this news, reds8n, a SoB audio book will be amazing! And I'm glad James Swallow is writing it. I'm about half-way through Faith&Fire and think he did a really good job with it so far.

Also, I'll probably look into GreyKnights and Redemption Corp thanks to recent posts. I'm pretty much facsinated in any writing dealing with SoB (in fact, I bought their original codex at half-price books yesterday).


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/18 15:39:56


Post by: reds8n


Deep Throat wrote:Thanks a lot for this news, reds8n, a SoB audio book will be amazing! And I'm glad James Swallow is writing it. I'm about half-way through Faith&Fire and think he did a really good job with it so far.


You're welcome, apologies for the delay in getting back to you. I really enjoyed Faith and Fire, thought it had some very strong concepts and ideas in there.



Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/18 15:45:58


Post by: Deep Throat


Oh it's fine. I was just wondering if a post asking about something that I thought was really improbable killed the thread, lol. Glad you enjoyed Faith and Fire. I'm really excited to start Chapter 12 and agree with you about the strong concepts from what I've seen so far. I especially like how it shows the Repentia in a much better light than the game rules do and seems to take time to explore the different units and aspects of the army while making a good investigation story out of it.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/25 10:18:19


Post by: reds8n


There's a "conversation" between some of the Black Library authors that is well worth a read here.



There's an interview with CL Werner here

And in a busy day for BL stuff : http://www.youtube.com/BlackLibraryTV new vids too.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/26 16:49:59


Post by: Kanluwen


As a heads-up:

Your FLGS and local GW shops should have a "Black Library Previews Catalogue" that you can pick up for free. It's for May-August 2010, and features short excerpts(3 pages) from all the "big" books coming out in that timeframe.
Table of Contents lists:
Redemption Corps
Legends of the Space Marines
Space Marine Battles: Helsreach
Brunner: The Bounty Hunter
Dark King/Lightning Tower: audio drama
Courage and Honour
The Chapter's Due
Bloodborn
Fireborn: audio drama
Path of the Warrior
Sword of Justice
Enforcer
Grimblades
Horus Heresy: Nemesis
Throne of Lies: audio drama

Of course the audio dramas don't have excerpts in the book, but they do have summaries hence the mention.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/28 19:01:37


Post by: Flachzange


reds8n wrote:There's a "conversation" between some of the Black Library authors that is well worth a read here.


Great interview. And I really hope that Aaron gets to write the books he's mentioning.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/05/28 19:06:10


Post by: reds8n


Yeah, he is good.

Bloodborn is now finished, pretty good really, looking forward to the rest in the series. Because I am weak picked up the (hardback ) "Chapter's Due" for consumption this week.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/03 12:02:51


Post by: reds8n


Gav Thorpe wrote:Aenarion is a little ToL side project, not the third installment of The Sundering, which is Caledor as R-Love pointed out.

When the current trilogies have been finished (Sigmar, Nagash, Sundering), the next wave of ToL will start. I have already spoken to BL about the events I'll be covering, but it's quite a way off still so there's nothing to announce. As for other great periods that will be covered, your guess is as good as mine at the moment!

Cheers,

GAV


good news there.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/03 13:46:01


Post by: BrookM


Looking forward to the conclusion of each of the three series. In the mean time I've finally read Helsreach, good show though a bit odd (a lot actually), I loved Andrej and I've started on Courage and Honour at long last.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/03 14:31:28


Post by: reds8n


Aaron D-B said that eh was quite taken with Andrek and would like to do something with him again at some time. I finished Chapter's Due and Blood Born t'other day. the latter especially is very good.

Oh, part 2 of the interview : http://www.blacklibrary.com/Free-Extras/A-conversation-with-Dan-and-Aaron-pt-2.html


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/03 15:08:18


Post by: BrookM


I'll wait for the softback before getting Chapter's Due myself, I'm not a big fan of that sales tactic, good book or not. Still got to read Redemption Corps and Titanicus first anyway.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/03 15:20:37


Post by: Flachzange


BrookM wrote:I'll wait for the softback before getting Chapter's Due myself, I'm not a big fan of that sales tactic, good book or not. Still got to read Redemption Corps and Titanicus first anyway.


While I agree with you wholeheartedly, I like the way the hardcovers look on the shelf lol


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/03 15:58:00


Post by: Bikeninja


Anybody else disappointed with how The Chapter's Due ended. Still a good read regardless. I bought the hardback because I am impatient and could not walt for a softback if I tried.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/03 16:00:00


Post by: Melissia


legoburner wrote:Sandy Mitchell is working on a new Commissar Cain novel which is set in a space hulk and will be the first book in another set of 3 hopefully. (Set in a space hulk so he could buy a copy of Space Hulk and claim it back against tax he claims )
Will it be his time with the reclaimers?

It would be interesting to see him interact with them.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/03 21:17:50


Post by: vitki


Has anyone heard if BL is going to get into the e-book business?
I'm in the market to get a reader and don't want to get stuck with the one BL isn't producing for.

I did find a FAQ on their site that said 'We're exploring it', but that was all. Hoping someone here might have heard something a bit more concrete.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/03 21:36:47


Post by: BrookM


They might do it, or they might not do it. It might be best to just sit tight and wait what they'll be doing.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/04 23:02:29


Post by: BrookM


Caledor, third part of the Sundering is slated for May 2011.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/05 22:23:22


Post by: BrookM


Huh, first there was Iraq in my Killing Ground novel, now there's Abu Grahib in my Courage and Honour. I hate it when the author is trying to involve semi-current events.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/05 23:50:02


Post by: Kanluwen


BrookM wrote:Caledor, third part of the Sundering is slated for May 2011.

Can't wait for it. If it's half as good as "Shadow King", it will be totally worth the read.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/06 01:32:49


Post by: Melissia


BrookM wrote:Huh, first there was Iraq in my Killing Ground novel, now there's Abu Grahib in my Courage and Honour. I hate it when the author is trying to involve semi-current events.
So basically it's like Frank Miller, only instead of using Batman to ramble on about politics, they're using 40k.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/06 05:08:44


Post by: Samus_aran115


I still like the idea of warhammer 30k. Sounds awesome! I'd snatch up a mortarion in like two seconds. I'd also love to see an actual Horus model. I'm getting sick of all the conversions.

It would be rad awesomeness! I also just realized that it would be a much more realistic approach to chaos marines (or at least the alpha legion) if they had actual pre-heresy models and what-not.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/06 13:28:16


Post by: Melissia


jI wouldn't, it's even more marine-centric than the current fluff is... sure, there's orks and eldar, but there's no 'nids, no tau, no 'crons, and orks/eldar take an extremely iminor part. No Guard, and what is there that could be represented by Guard is under the command of SM, and they play a minor role according to most authors. It's basically just SM vs SM almost all the way through. It's a civil war period focusing on a single faction to the exclusion of all others.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/06 13:41:48


Post by: Samus_aran115


Melissia wrote:jI wouldn't, it's even more marine-centric than the current fluff is... sure, there's orks and eldar, but there's no 'nids, no tau, no 'crons, and orks/eldar take an extremely iminor part. No Guard, and what is there that could be represented by Guard is under the command of SM, and they play a minor role according to most authors. It's basically just SM vs SM almost all the way through. It's a civil war period focusing on a single faction to the exclusion of all others.


....Exactly? That's what I would expect,and what I would look forward to. I can imagine it now, a different set of special rules for each legion,in a single SM codex. It would be like the CSM codex,except..oh wait....


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/06 13:44:15


Post by: Melissia


And the reason you like it is the reason is the same reason that a lot of people don't. Sure, the Horus Heresy makes for good books, but it makes for a boring, monotonous game.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/06 13:45:17


Post by: Samus_aran115


Okay,I can see your point.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/06 14:18:08


Post by: BrookM


Maybe it's just me, but Redemption Corps is rather bland and a mess.


Black library news and rumours (including Horus Heresy stuff)... @ 2010/06/06 15:00:29


Post by: Melissia


BrookM wrote:Maybe it's just me, but Redemption Corps is rather bland and a mess.
I've heard mixed reviews on it, but nobody's said it's great thus far.

It especially mischaracterizes and abuses the Sisters, so I can't claim to be unbiased in my view of that book.