Shrike325 wrote:Exorcist - 135

Leman Russ 150

Predator-twin linked lascannon-105 points

Leman Russ Vanquisher w/Lascannon, 170 pts.

Just so I don't say broadsides again, and drop the points

squad of 3 Piranhas, Fusion blasters

195 pts

Battle Cannon vs AV13 > TL las vs AV 14. If you had the las sponsons it would edge to the predator- but as is

The pred has roughly a 13% chance at a glance, and a 13% chance to pen. Adding the sponson Lascannon adds 21%

For the battle cannon- counting ONLY direct hits on the scatter dice 10% glance, 11% penetrate- add in more hits for scatter rolls of 6 or less(the -3" for BS 3 keeps the template center hole on the hull- those percentages would go up).

So- without the sponsons its basically a tie- add in the sponsons and you're winning 3-1. So add the dang sponsons for 165 pts :p


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Shas'O Dorian wrote:Just so I don't say broadsides again, and drop the points

squad of 3 Piranhas, Fusion blasters

195 pts

Two Landspeeder Typhoons- 1 with a Multimelta- 195

Mistress of minis wrote:
Two Landspeeder Typhoons- 1 with a Multimelta- 195

2 squads of 2 hive guard = 200 points

incarna wrote:

Mistress of minis wrote:
Two Landspeeder Typhoons- 1 with a Multimelta- 195

2 squads of 2 hive guard = 200 points

Other than the whole range problem(HG's are only 24", Vs thTyphoon launchers 48) they could do it-if the Typhoons dont kite( they can move 12 and fire the missles- and get a 4+ save). If they somehow get within 24", its a maybe- otherwise any half competent player is gonna win with the typhoons.

Addendum- Hive Guard arent synapse critters- so theyre making Ld 7 rolls to avoid having to lurk- Which means half the time you cant move them- makes it alot easier to kite them

Mistress of minis wrote:
Other than the whole range problem(HG's are only 24", Vs thTyphoon launchers 48) they could do it-if the Typhoons dont kite( they can move 12 and fire the missles- and get a 4+ save). If they somehow get within 24", its a maybe- otherwise any half competent player is gonna win with the typhoons.

Addendum- Hive Guard arent synapse critters- so theyre making Ld 7 rolls to avoid having to lurk- Which means half the time you cant move them- makes it alot easier to kite them

Ah, forgot about the synapse. In that case, I’ll take 3 Eldar War Walkers + w/ 2 scatter lasers each. 180 points. Vehicles can only take a 4+ cover save if they move over 12” which means they can’t shoot.

Damn, as i was getting my codex you posted and becasuei didnt refresh the pagei didnt see it. Mine was against the exorsist.

Damn ninjas...

incarna wrote:
Ah, forgot about the synapse. In that case, I’ll take 3 Eldar War Walkers + w/ 2 scatter lasers each. 180 points. Vehicles can only take a 4+ cover save if they move over 12” which means they can’t shoot.

Thats correct- but the typhoons can move flat out to get out of range(or jsut deep strike out of range in the first place)- then move up to 12" to keep the warwalkers (with their 36" range) between the 37-48" sweet spot.

Let's keep things moving, 3 broadsides, 210 points.

I'm slightly confused, what unit is up to be toasted

Mistress of minis wrote:

incarna wrote:
Ah, forgot about the synapse. In that case, I’ll take 3 Eldar War Walkers + w/ 2 scatter lasers each. 180 points. Vehicles can only take a 4+ cover save if they move over 12” which means they can’t shoot.

Thats correct- but the typhoons can move flat out to get out of range(or jsut deep strike out of range in the first place)- then move up to 12" to keep the warwalkers (with their 36" range) between the 37-48" sweet spot.

There is no realistic 37"-48" sweet spot on a standard 4' by 6' table and you'd be lucky to get one round of protection before being pinned against a table edge. As for deepstriking - given the attached illustration that depicts a war walker squad movement and weapon range, I think risking a deepstrike in the safe white areas would be more benificial to the war walker player than i would be to the landspeeder player - not to mension the war walker will just move into range next round and finish the landspeeders.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Let's keep things moving, 3 broadsides, 210 points.

Lord of Change - 250pts

@ lord of change

Leman Russ Punisher
H. Bolter sponsons
Storm Bolter
H.K. Missile
220 points.

Enough shots & you'll fail the saves

Shas'O Dorian wrote:@ lord of change

Leman Russ Punisher
H. Bolter sponsons
Storm Bolter
H.K. Missile
220 points.

Enough shots & you'll fail the saves

10 Fire Dragons w/Exarch, Crack Shot, Tank Hunters

192pts

10 melta shots = dead tank

Dork Eldar wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:@ lord of change

Leman Russ Punisher
H. Bolter sponsons
Storm Bolter
H.K. Missile
220 points.

Enough shots & you'll fail the saves

10 Fire Dragons w/Exarch, Crack Shot, Tank Hunters

192pts

10 melta shots = dead tank

...ok, 12" glance range, 6" penetration range...

He is a tank. With a cannon. You are foot dragons...

/fail.

Why does everyone assume that theyre going to get to go first, have cover, get the charge, be in melta range etc etc???

I try to assume worst case scenario with a bit of logic based on the basic scenario rules like deployment zones and such.

Vs the Punisher

Ironclad- Heavy flamer, meltagun, 2 HK missiles, drop pod with Death wind missles 220 pts.

Mistress of minis wrote:Why does everyone assume that theyre going to get to go first, have cover, get the charge, be in melta range etc etc???

I try to assume worst case scenario with a bit of logic based on the basic scenario rules like deployment zones and such.

Vs the Punisher

Ironclad- Heavy flamer, meltagun, 2 HK missiles, drop pod with Death wind missles 220 pts.

Probably what with all the terminators/obliterators that have been suggested. They deepstrike in, therefor get the first shot.

Hehe- we're jsut now getting up to Terminator points values

Looks like you copy and pasted the dread I used before.

Someone didn't even put up a good response to it...

They said a ravager, just because it has 3 dark lances I s'pose...

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Looks like you copy and pasted the dread I used before.

Someone didn't even put up a good response to it...

They said a ravager, just because it has 3 dark lances I s'pose...

Yup that was me!!!!

sorry I only read your statement half assedly. I saw Dreadnought and thought Armour so I apologize for that.

Meh, in the original "Beat this unit" thread, someone always posted a crappy counter to my unit, so I dropped out of it, it was always the same person though. >.<

Back on topic. Please try to avoid debating on units. Even if the counter unit cannot beat yours in-game, don't point it out.
I'm resetting the unit to: 20x 'Ard boyz, Nob W/ Pk, Bosspole - 240

Ummmm....
I'd beat all of your units. Trusty hammer, and if that failed, a tiger torch.

In all reality I have no idea what unit I'd use. This is my only counter to all of your fury combined.

Dedrith wrote:Back on topic. Please try to avoid debating on units. Even if the counter unit cannot beat yours in-game, don't point it out.
I'm resetting the unit to: 20x 'Ard boyz, Nob W/ Pk, Bosspole - 240

So... now we are playing post-units-you-like-that-are-nearish-in-points-costs-to-the-above-poster, and if you don't like it tough?

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

Dedrith wrote:Back on topic. Please try to avoid debating on units. Even if the counter unit cannot beat yours in-game, don't point it out.
I'm resetting the unit to: 20x 'Ard boyz, Nob W/ Pk, Bosspole - 240

So... now we are playing post-units-you-like-that-are-nearish-in-points-costs-to-the-above-poster?

I suppose so, if you have a problem with that, you can leave my thread. Arguing about units is pointless. If this thread gets off topic, it will get locked. again, it's happened before.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

Dedrith wrote:Back on topic. Please try to avoid debating on units. Even if the counter unit cannot beat yours in-game, don't point it out.
I'm resetting the unit to: 20x 'Ard boyz, Nob W/ Pk, Bosspole - 240

So... now we are playing post-units-you-like-that-are-nearish-in-points-costs-to-the-above-poster, and if you don't like it tough?

I guess 'beat' is subjective- and in this case means 'close in point values and disregarding the units actual worth as a counter to the previous'.

Which sort of defeats the usefulness of this as an exercise(i.e. making people think).

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

Dedrith wrote:Back on topic. Please try to avoid debating on units. Even if the counter unit cannot beat yours in-game, don't point it out.
I'm resetting the unit to: 20x 'Ard boyz, Nob W/ Pk, Bosspole - 240

So... now we are playing post-units-you-like-that-are-nearish-in-points-costs-to-the-above-poster, and if you don't like it tough?

no, that is not at all what he is saying, try to pick something that would beat the previously stated but if you don't think it can then keep it to your self

beat means kill the other unit in a game using rules from the current codecies and rulebooks. beating does not mean it costs fewer points than the previous unit, I.E. the response to a land raider redeemer cannot be 5 grots, the grots do cost fewer points but without some kind of upgrade the redeemer would kill them with no chance of the grots fighting back

and to the 'ard boys I say, 5 dark eldar scourges, 4 with splinter cannons one with splinter rifle, (for those who don't know splinter cannons are R36 assault 4 bolters, and splinter rifles are S3 bolters, and scourges are jump infantry)

Exactaly that i swhat i wanted when i started the first one and we had problems then, with slowed I am 300 inchs away please try to be plausible with what you post and also Bibbi please change your avitar it is kin of ridiculus that you have hte same a dedriths ( DOn;t worry i am a bud of them both it is ok)

Kogwar wrote:Exactaly that i swhat i wanted when i started the first one and we had problems then, with slowed I am 300 inchs away please try to be plausible with what you post

thank you

Kogwar wrote:also Bibbi please change your avitar it is kin of ridiculus that you have hte same a dedriths ( DOn;t worry i am a bud of them both it is ok)

you know you want it as your avitar

KNow check every forum i am on this or the main picture is my avitar.

C'mon Kogwar, show some legion pride

Anyway, thanks for giving some information on the scourges BIBBI, I wouldn't have had a clue if you hadn't done that lol.

You didn't post the points, but I guess a Battlewagon W/ Killa Cannon and 2 Big Shootas should do the trick - 160 points

Dedrith wrote:Back on topic. Please try to avoid debating on units. Even if the counter unit cannot beat yours in-game, don't point it out.
I'm resetting the unit to: 20x 'Ard boyz, Nob W/ Pk, Bosspole - 240

Griffon - 75 points

Fafnir wrote:

Dedrith wrote:Back on topic. Please try to avoid debating on units. Even if the counter unit cannot beat yours in-game, don't point it out.
I'm resetting the unit to: 20x 'Ard boyz, Nob W/ Pk, Bosspole - 240

Griffon - 75 points

10 Raptors, Champion with MeltaBombs, 2 Meltaguns. 240 pts.

Slarg that's more than triple the points of the griffon. (if you're trying to raise points let the OP do that)

@ Griffon,
1 broadside battlesuit 70 points.

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Slarg that's more than triple the points of the griffon. (if you're trying to raise points let the OP do that)

@ Griffon,
1 broadside battlesuit 70 points.

People keep complaining that all anyone is doing currently is reusing the same stuff, which would be remedied with a bump in points.

Obliterator, 75 pts.

.

Slarg232 wrote:

Shas'O Dorian wrote:Slarg that's more than triple the points of the griffon. (if you're trying to raise points let the OP do that)

@ Griffon,
1 broadside battlesuit 70 points.

People keep complaining that all anyone is doing currently is reusing the same stuff, which would be remedied with a bump in points.

Obliterator, 75 pts.

The points lower themselves everytime somebody finds a cheap solution to the previous unit, it's pretty much unavoidable. It doesn't help that idiots keep posting expensive units seemingly and random, of course.

Landspeeder with MM - 60/65pts (can't remember).

5 Fire Dragons - 80

Dedrith wrote:5 Fire Dragons - 80

alass... my poor doomed fire dragons...
You tend to have to give them a transport or they'll be killed long before getting an opportunity to do their job...
and when they do their job, there's a good chance some of them will die to an exploding vehicle.

regardless...
Infantry Platoon + heavy bolter = 60 points

So are we to assume that its our turn and the unit is within range to do its thing? Or what? Because all this, "no my unit could be in terrain and you have no gernades so that wouldn't work." Stuff needs to quit. Why not just post a unit regardless of points that's a counter, try to keep it close but don't bash if its not.

At the Guard
Striking scorpions
5
80pts

Armoured Sentinel with Plasma Cannon - 75pts.

2 scout sentinels - Autocannons 80pts

I'm not sure that would necessarily beat the armored sentinel...

4 Auto Cannon shots Vs 1 plasma cannon shot per turn? Looks pretty solid to me.

Anyway, for the Scout Sentinels: Predator W/ Autocannon and Hunter Killer Missile - 70 points

Obliterator - 75pts

Sister of Battle Heroine
Palatine
Cloak of St. Aspera
Blessed weapon
Jump pack
105pts

Predator
Autocannon
Lascannon Sponsons

Total-125

7 Kommandos, Nob W/ PK, 2 W/ Rokkit Launchas - 125

Dedrith wrote:7 Kommandos, Nob W/ PK, 2 W/ Rokkit Launchas - 125

Landspeeder Storm with Heavy Flamer carrying 5 SM scouts (BP & CCW) with combi-flamer - 145pts

EDIT: Ninja! Changing to fight Orks.

Tantras wrote:Landspeeder Storm with Heavy Flamer carrying 5 SM scouts (BP & CCW) with combi-flamer - 145pts

EDIT: Ninja! Changing to fight Orks.

Six long fangs with five missile launchers - 140 pts

Callidus assassin

ductvader wrote:Callidus assassin

points?

Dedrith wrote:

ductvader wrote:Callidus assassin

points?

120 according to the Witchhunter codex.

Dork Eldar wrote:

Dedrith wrote:

ductvader wrote:Callidus assassin

points?

120 according to the Witchhunter codex.

10 vets in a Chimera, no addons - 125pts.

Vindicator
Siege Shield
Hunter-Killer

TOTAL: 135 points

Ravenger w/ night field, 120

Edit: didn't see the last page

Ork Warbikers - (3 bikers, 1 upgraded to Nob, Powerklaw) - 125pts (I think)

S_P

2 hydras(not in a squadron and set up on oppossit sides of the board) - 150pts

Brother Captain Stern...141

Farseer, Doom, Singing spear... 83 points

Herald of Tzeentch, Boon of Mutation - 80 points

IG SWS team with 2 demo charges and a flamer - 80 pts

5 dire avengers 60 points

One Land Speeder with 2 Heavy Bolters 60pts (I think no codex)

DEATH89 wrote:One Land Speeder with 2 Heavy Bolters 60pts (I think no codex)

Necron Destroyer - 50pts.

Tantras wrote:Necron Destroyer - 50pts.

Eldar Vyper w/2 Shuriken Cannons - 60pts

(AV10 on all sides, 6 S6 shots per turn, Fast Skimmer Open Topped)

fail. can't fire both and move enough to stay safe at the same time. Vypers sucked as soon as fifth hit...

Warwalker 2 shuriken cannons (6xs6?) @40 points

Armoured sentinel (standard multilaser) - 55pts

10 guardsmen... 50

we're getting pretty low on the points here, I suggest we restart at the top before people start suggesting nurglings or rippers or snotlings. We can't get much further down...

well...

RHINO! 35...

"how low can you go" "limbo limbo"

6 Fire Warriors - 60 points

4 Necron Scarab Swarms - 52pts

Tantras wrote:4 Necron Scarab Swarms - 52pts

We're trying to go UP

1 Penitent Engine - 80 points

My 80 points of fire dragons melt your penitant engine easy. tack on 20 for a firepike exarch and the points go up! yippie!

Two Necron Destroyers - 100pts

Enjoy the out-of-your-range AP4ing of your life!

1 servitor, plascannon. hope you like pie because I'm sending your Destroyers a few plates of it.

I think that's 20 points or so... but ech... we're trying to go up now...

20pts eh? How about a Lone Wolf stood in his underpants.

20pts and if you kill him, I win!

Not to derail the thread but...

Guitardian wrote:10 guardsmen... 50

we're getting pretty low on the points here, I suggest we restart at the top before people start suggesting nurglings or rippers or snotlings. We can't get much further down...

well...

RHINO! 35...

"how low can you go" "limbo limbo"

Are going to beat an armored sentinel?

Guitardian wrote:1 servitor, plascannon. hope you like pie because I'm sending your Destroyers a few plates of it.

I think that's 20 points or so... but ech... we're trying to go up now...

... I don't think this needs explanation:

Destroyers have some nice range, and the servitor is a one wound no WBB model, that will get smited, and it will miss by alot very ofen.

Tantras wrote:20pts eh? How about a Lone Wolf stood in his underpants.

20pts and if you kill him, I win!

Does that mean... you have won the thread?

I think Tantras wins with that one.

Back in 2nd ed, we could take a lone commissar with a grenade launcher just plunking around the field lobbing stuff, who was 1 point under the cap to be worth a kill... hee hee hee!

Guitardian wrote:I think Tantras wins with that one.

Thank you. Thank you very much. It's been... Emotional.

resetting unit.

5 Space Marine Scouts with Sniper Rifles - 75

Dedrith wrote:resetting unit.

5 Space Marine Scouts with Sniper Rifles - 75

Is Marbo still banned?

Landspeeder with Tornado patter Heavy Flamer (whatever that is) - 60pts.

Armored sentinel with lascannon - 70 points

5 Screamers of Tzeentch - 80pts

Blood Angels Predator with all Lascannons 180 Points


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Please ignore my post, I had an idiot moment

hmmm... what to do with 180 points...
EVIL CLOWNS!

Harlequinsx5 with the seer and jester upgrades and 4 kisses and a fusion pistol for the seer.

It is, in my experience a great annoyance unit you'll never be able to shoot at but it picks and chooses when it shoots at you. Sure it doesn't put out much unless you get too close, where you can melt a tank with a pistol if you really want to (I usually just flip away) but it doesn't usually take any hits either, and you can hide your IC in it!

weighs in at 156 points and annoys the heck out of people, could pop a tank if they want to get close and use that fusion melta thingy, could do a sick charge with the kisses, and can hide an IC with impunity shooting away with the Death Jester from a range where they simply can't be targetted (plus its 3 shots that could potentially pin). The only thing that could possibly hit them is a bad scattered pie plate that was shooting at something else. Now that's pretty annoying. Oh yeah they ignore terrain and can jump you from behind a big building if they want... heeheehee... evil clowns!


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Shrike325 wrote:5 Screamers of Tzeentch - 80pts

8 Fire warriors - 80

5 lootas - 75

1 Dark Angel Space Marine, 5 boltershells, 5 dead Lootas. -15pts.

I am a Striking Scorpion, Shadow Stalking, Chainsword wielding, Marine Killing.

16pts


this is turning into the Oldest game.

I strike down the vile xenos scum and his weak, kitteny chainsword. Dark Angel Space Marine 15pts.

Who's next?

I will not roleplay with you Foul follower of the False emperor. besides I would win. Sister of Battle in Lingerie would bring the Marine to his knees.

so lets get this back on track

Cast in a Dreadnought sarcophagus, our hero returns sans his raging libido to bring the light of the emperor to the darkest corners of the universe. 125pts.

Your move, heretic.

1 Dreadnought?

Necron heavy destroyer- 95 pts

Pfft, like that ever works. Dreadnought adds a crushed metal skull into his collection of trophies and is rewarded with venerable status. 145pts.

I like the rust effect on the Necron, but the photo is a little fuzzy for a better look.

I am a 15 point Scatterlaser fired by an 8 point guardian... too bad someone has to buy the rest of my pointless meatshields.

RxGhost, stop arguing with everybody and start playing the game.

Resetting unit to 10x Assault Terminators W/ Lightning Claws - 400

My 19 point ranger offed a Hive Tyrant once. in CC!

I am playing the game, I'm just making it more fun by adding the a small element of story-telling.

Don't be mad that my unit just hasn't been beaten yet.

Dedrith wrote:RxGhost, stop arguing with everybody and start playing the game.

Resetting unit to 10x Assault Terminators W/ Lightning Claws - 400

Quick rules question: We allowed to use more than one unit?

Slarg232 wrote:

Dedrith wrote:RxGhost, stop arguing with everybody and start playing the game.

Resetting unit to 10x Assault Terminators W/ Lightning Claws - 400

Quick rules question: We allowed to use more than one unit?

Depends on what you mean, you CAN use something like 3 units of 30 Ork Boyz, however you CANNOT use units like 10 Ork nobz, 5 lootas, and 2 deff dreads

You can have multiple units composing of the same models, but the units cannot be different.

I don't think the rules are particularly rigid.

I AM A GREY HUNTER with a bolter AND a boltpistol/ccw, despite the old rule that only 2 weapons are carried... I have cool space wolf abilities to boot. It's too bad my squad can't take a ML or HB but hey we can get a free melta anyways... I cost 15 points and could kick my brother Marines from other chapters heinies for one point less... hear me roar... like... um... a wolf?


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oh yeah I piss on my turf too like a wolf and my dad (Logan) is bigger than your dad (Calgar take me away...)

RxGhost wrote:I am playing the game, I'm just making it more fun by adding the a small element of story-telling.

Don't be mad that my unit just hasn't been beaten yet.

... No, you are not playing the game, you are being a pester.

Dedrith wrote:RxGhost, stop arguing with everybody and start playing the game.

Resetting unit to 10x Assault Terminators W/ Lightning Claws - 400

Hmm, 3 Warwalkers with star cannons, and 2 warwalkers with star cannons.

It will be slightly easier to beat by other things, also, it costs 400 on the dot.

So:

3 walkers
6 starcannons

2 walkers
4 starcannons

So, all in all

20 S6 AP2 shots a turn, low BS, though it will eat alot of things! Now, I expect someone to post... a land raider, or something to that effect, just a reminder, I have outflank, and scouts.

AV 10 walker

BA tactical squad missile launcher, flamer, bolt pistol ccw
w/ Rhino 220

Executioner w/ heavy bolter and storm bolter- 220 pts

Trygon 200pts omnomnomnom

Grey Knight Grand Master - 145 points

OHKO

baroncrowle wrote:BA tactical squad missile launcher, flamer, bolt pistol ccw
w/ Rhino 220

That is it, I quit, good luck with this all of you.

Battle Wagon with KFF mek Deffrolla and a Burna
110+105 (225)

That's a good 80 points over the cost of my Grand Master. And even if you try the tank shock, there's a 50% chance it won't work, causing damage to the wagon.

Don't quit, Syphonious, you were one of my favorites

@Battlewagon, 10 Eldar Fire Dragons - 160

The meltas will scrap the battlewagon before or after you slam me with the deff rolla, along with instant death the mek once he's forced to disembark.

Inquisitor with psycannon and terminator armour and a sage.

90 points

Some smart movement and he'll wittle them down before they even get close.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

RxGhost wrote:I am playing the game, I'm just making it more fun by adding the a small element of story-telling.

Don't be mad that my unit just hasn't been beaten yet.

... No, you are not playing the game, you are being a pester.

I thought the game was kinda dumb, but showed some promise, so I decided to make it more interesting. If you want to take your ball and go home, I don't care. But I guess if putting more thought into a post than "X (Unit Name) (Point Value)" makes me a pester, at least I'm an interesting one.

RxGhost, if all you are going to do on this thread is irritate people, then you are more than welcome to leave. End of discussion, back on topic.

I have to say, Fafnir, that was a brilliant counter to the fire dragons.

Dedrith wrote:RxGhost, if all you are going to do on this thread is irritate people, then you are more than welcome to leave. End of discussion, back on topic.

I have to say, Fafnir, that was a brilliant counter to the fire dragons.

Nicely done...



Lukas the Trickster: even if you kill me I kill you back!

Guitardian wrote:
Nicely done...



Lukas the Trickster: even if you kill me I kill you back!

Living Saint.. Even if you kill me I'll come back. It's even in your FAQ.

Dedrith wrote:RxGhost, if all you are going to do on this thread is irritate people, then you are more than welcome to leave. End of discussion, back on topic.

I have to say, Fafnir, that was a brilliant counter to the fire dragons.

You could do it without the sage (-10 points), but he helps you get it done quicker. If you kite properly and shoot every turn, they only gain an average of 3.5 inches per turn, meaning it would take 7 turns to get in range. More than enough time to take them out with that setup.

As for Lukas the Trickster, he costs 50 points more than my Inquisitor setup (60 without the sage), and requires you take a unit of Blood Claws, adding another 75 points at minimum. Celestine costs 201 points, also putting her above.

Hammerhead - Ion Cannon - Burst Cannons - 115

EDIT: Wow I post slow...

Dread to counter Saint, if we want to keep upping the points, make it Bjorn.

Fafnir wrote:That's a good 80 points over the cost of my Grand Master. And even if you try the tank shock, there's a 50% chance it won't work, causing damage to the wagon.

Yeah I was confused by quotes, was responding to the Tac squad sorry

So you guys are just listing units and 'jobbing each other, no narrative or analysis? Whatever, you can have it. Ghost out.

Thanks ghost that's very kind of you~!

Against Bjorn,

30x Boys squad, 3RL and Nob with PK.

(250)

Inquisitor Lord with Holocaust, Artificer Armour and a Vindicare Assasin for the Nob
(rokkit launcha is AP3, so yeah)

(190)

Vindicator-stormbolter-130 points.

4 bolter shots and a str 10 ap2...

Termie... asscannon

GKT Psycannon


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And for him to be his own unit I guess he's a Brother Captain

As far as I know, 1 Terminator cannot be its own unit, so we'll continue from the Vindicator.

10 Lootas - 150, it’s all I could think of, with enough S7 shots probably hitting side armor it should be enough to win the engagement.

Sniktrot and 5 Boys with two burnas - 165

Dedrith wrote:As far as I know, 1 Terminator cannot be its own unit, so we'll continue from the Vindicator.

10 Lootas - 150, it’s all I could think of, with enough S7 shots probably hitting side armor it should be enough to win the engagement.

Brother captain can be taken as an HQ for 61 points.

Leman russ
Not sure on points and have to start pretty far away

Snikrot would make short work of a Leman Russ. 6 S6 attacks on the charge and he can come from any side of the board. He's meant to take out back-benchers.

True

Widdy wrote:Leman russ
Not sure on points and have to start pretty far away

3 Eldar Jetbikes-143
Shuriken Cannon
Warlock
Jetbike, Singing Spear, Conceal

S9 spear, 12" range, also S9 in combat.

I am a jetbike.

I get a 5+ cover save in the open, and the warlock has a 4++ save.

ShuriCannon-S6 AP5 BS3 3 shots

Fafnir wrote:Snikrot would make short work of a Leman Russ. 6 S6 attacks on the charge and he can come from any side of the board. He's meant to take out back-benchers.

Actually, seeing as he has at LEAST on turn before you come in, he can roll into the middle, and wait for you to come on...

Well, at that point, Snikrot's already done his job then, now hasn't he?

Fafnir wrote:Well, at that point, Snikrot's already done his job then, now hasn't he?

I guess so huh?

Herald of Tzeentch - Chariot, Master of Sorcery, Boon of Mutation, Bolt of Tzeentch - 130

More wounds than your unit with better saves, can pop the warlock with no saves allowed, also a jetbike, better at shooting.

Culexus Assassin 105

it's not very good against anything else

Lotet wrote:Culexus Assassin 105

it's not very good against anything else

The herald isn't a psyker...

really!? how very strange

*googles Herald*

..... there's no official model for the Herald, is there? they all look like psykers to me, plus it looks like you listed him as having psychic attacks, what with being a Master of Sorcery, whatever that means

annnyway, I'll take your word for it, you obviosly know the Codex many times better than I

9 Rough Riders with Mogul Kamir 145

The Nemesis of Malan`tai 90pt




look in the new tyranid codex for the rules

Guards men heavy weapon teams with auto cannon 75pts.

templeorks wrote:Guards men heavy weapon teams with auto cannon 75pts.

fail.

Ding: Post 500!

templeorks wrote:Guards men heavy weapon teams with auto cannon 75pts.

Shas'el TL flamers and Blacksun filter, Stimulant injector 69 points.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

templeorks wrote:Guards men heavy weapon teams with auto cannon 75pts.

fail.

Ding: Post 500!

not really 6 auto cannon hits may kill that thing above them

templeorks wrote:

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

templeorks wrote:Guards men heavy weapon teams with auto cannon 75pts.

fail.

Ding: Post 500!

not really 6 auto cannon hits may kill that thing above them

this could really hurt

but when you read the rules of this thing (nemesis of ...) and it has 10 Lp then your guardsmen are wasted

THIS IS ONLY WHEN....

I come into this thread, expecting some kind of sadomasochism porn... I am extremely dissapointed. I'm going to go beat my own unit.

6 swarms of turboboosting necron scarabs W/O D-fields- 72 poitns of 2+ cover save goodness


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5 Chaos marines, Flamer, 80 pts.

gendoikari87 wrote:

templeorks wrote:Guards men heavy weapon teams with auto cannon 75pts.

Shas'el TL flamers and Blacksun filter, Stimulant injector 69 points.

3 Ogryn 130

1 Exorcist: 135

(for both the CSMs and the ogryns)

Necron Lord Destroyer body phase shifter warscythe. 180 pts

CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-Wait, no, he sucks in 1on 1

maybe......

a hydra flak tank, 75 pts

for the scarabs, maybe defeat the cronlord destroyer

felix who goes first and how far apart are we? cause i dont know if youll win that one, still got the 3+ armor and 4+ invuln and my 2d6+S armor pen

About 36" apart, if hydra goes first it will probably do well, if it doesnt its screwed, but not entirely sure on destroyer stats so maybe not

toughness 6 as equiped 3+ armor 4+ invlun 24 inch turbo boost warscythe is 2d6+5s armor pen, 3a 12 in move 6 assault. 3W. oh and 4+ stand back up after you take all 3 W

Grey Knight Grand Master (aka, the great equalizer), 145 points.

OHKO

its an equal battle there with the necron lord. GK master has that dang force weapon... ugh... but i ve still killed my fare share with the Lord.

It's not equal at all. The Grand Master strikes at I5, and even if not on the charge, will net 2.6 wounds, and the Destroyer Lord only has a 4+ invulnerable, while the GM only needs to have one of those wounds actually go through. The Destroyer Lord will die before he even gets a chance to attack.

themrsleepy wrote:toughness 6 as equiped 3+ armor 4+ invlun 24 inch turbo boost warscythe is 2d6+5s armor pen, 3a 12 in move 6 assault. 3W. oh and 4+ stand back up after you take all 3 W

OK. Hydra's screwed.

On the Grandmaster:

Retributor squad with 4x multi-meltas, 155 pts.

I bet they could take that grandmaster down before he could get to them

Eversor Assassin - 95

So long as he's within 18 inches when he infiltrates, he'll get the charge (12 inch charge range rocks!). With 7.5 attacks on the charge average and a S4 power weapon, he'll go through the squad faster than a 14 year old boy goes through tissue paper.

Oh, and by the way, your squad is 169 points, the sister superior is mandatory.

The sister superior cost is included. I just didn't purchase the veteran upgrade.

Oh. Either way, Eversor still tears it up.

3 Man Grey Knight Purgation squad with 2 psycannons 130 points

Ignoring invulnerable saves on invulnerable save only models is always funny


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I know this will be an easy one to beat...but it pops the eversor quite easily

Exorcist: 135 pts

Hehe.

You have to note though, that in order to beat my Eversor, you had to up the cost by 35 points, or 36%.

Fine...take out a psycannon...you lose.

Get over it and move on.

I'm just saying. The Eversor is fething awesome.

Eversor, Callidus, and Grey Knight Terminators. If I could make an army with just those, I'd be in heaven.

for the excorcist 5 eldar rangers with pathfinders =125

at the Pathfinders

4 Ravagers 120pts

Erm, what? Ravagers are 105 points each... I assume you mean a ravager with three disintegrators... in which case...

Exorcist: 135 pts

Oh, me. I love that unit

once again 5 rangers with pathfinders

repeats are boring

The Imperator wrote:once again 5 rangers with pathfinders

Don't know why that would beat the exorcist either...

As for the rebutal:

Two immolators

130 total points.

10 Fire dragons w/ exarch w/ firepike.

Ka-boom!

180 points.

oops double post sorry

Melissia wrote:Erm, what? Ravagers are 105 points each... I assume you mean a ravager with three disintegrators... in which case...

Exorcist: 135 pts

Oh, me. I love that unit

lol my bad I meant Raveners. I have Dark Eldar and Tyranids on the brain. its been a long weekend of 40k building and painting.

I do appreciate your help though lol. Ravager works just as well their.


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Mathais wrote:10 Fire dragons w/ exarch w/ firepike.

Ka-boom!

180 points.

6 Raveners
180pts.

Fire Prism w/ shuriken cannon

125 points

Eldar junkie, eat space marine!:

Drop Pod:
Storm Bolter

Dreadnought:
Multi-Melta
DCCW w/ Heavy Flamer

Total: 150 points

No dissin da elfies!

My wave serpent pops your dread with a TL brightlance for 135-145 points to your 150, leaves you a useless drop pod and a wrecked dread... and my Serp can haul around the field pretty fast, shrug off heavy weapons fire because of its force field, and play taxi afterwards for something really nasty lurking inside it. You get a drop pod. Yeah those are real useful once they've dumped their load, arent they?

("Their arrogance is matched only by their firepower")
That's cuz they know they're better. Because they know. Because Monkeigh are primitive...

So... in other words, my dreadnought wins? A bright lance has just as much chance of destroying me at range as I have of it, except I always get to go first, and unless you're on the board edge, not getting an obscured save, then I can shoot at your rear armor.

I play eldar too.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:
Drop pod:
Storm Bolter

Dreadnought:
Multi-Melta
DCCW w/ Heavy Flamer

Total: 150 points

5 TH/SS terminators
200 points

(Yes it's 50 points over but I'm sick of seeing the same crap at 130-170 points, trying to break the spiral)

One Devil Dog, 120 points.

Fast tank with a melta cannon, can EASILY kite a terminator squad to death.

Melissia wrote:One Devil Dog, 120 points.

Just kite and melta.

FFFFUUUUU, he tries to up the points and you lower it, hehehe.

Go ahead and up the points then. I'd love to start playing this game at higher points.

Lowering points is the way it goes because everyone like to one up the next guy...I once had to respond to an ork boy with a hormagaunt

Fine, I'll change my post.


Leman Russ Executioner with plasma cannon sponsons-- 230 points.

I think that could beat those terminators

Grey Knight LR with extra armor and old smoke 258

easy win

3 Broadside Battlesuits w/Targeting Array, 240 pts.

Edit: Too slow, just ignore this one.


Valk

Melissia wrote:3 Broadside Battlesuits w/Targeting Array, 240 pts.

unfamiliar with them...what are their weapon stats?

Two fire modes, but the one for anti-tank purposes is 72" range, S10 AP1, heavy 1 Twin Linked.

30 Gargoyles with Adrenal Glands and Toxin Sacs...240

BAH! Seconds too slow :p


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5 Sternguard, 3 Combi-flamer, 2 heavy flamers. 235 points

Depends how gaunts are spread out though =p

Osh

Oshova wrote:BAH! Seconds too slow :p


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5 Sternguard, 3 Combi-flamer, 2 heavy flamers. 235 points

Depends how gaunts are spread out though =p

Osh

I think thats closer to 240 actually

EDIT:Was about DE

20 Battle Sisters w/2x Flamers, veteran w/Bolter, Book
251 pts.

20 Battle Sisters w/2x Flamers, veteran w/Bolter, Book
251 pts.

Kroot Hound pack
10 Kroot
Ork Hybrid
Hyper active Nymune Organ
Shaper
Eviscerator
20 Kroot Hounds
286pts

This squad taking sisters is iffy. If I can get the assault we can take it. but if we fall short and are in the open for the girls shooting then no.

so Melissia I guess its your choice. I Know they could take them. its just the circumstance.

Melissia wrote:20 Battle Sisters w/2x Flamers, veteran w/Bolter, Book
251 pts.

Got too impatient to wait

2 squads of 2 pyrovores in separate mycetic spores...THEY HAVE A USE!


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260

ductvader wrote:

Melissia wrote:20 Battle Sisters w/2x Flamers, veteran w/Bolter, Book
251 pts.

Got too impatient to wait

2 squads of 2 pyrovores in separate mycetic spores...THEY HAVE A USE!


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260

I have a really hard time seeing them take the sisters. . . they only ignore their armour in CC and with Faith even that wont happen. and they would get torn up in her shooting face, and even in CC.

Even if that can take them, it can't take this:

3 Penitent Engines: 240 poitns

3 squads of 2 zoanthropes...360

I want higher points...

Melissia wrote:Even if that can take them, it can't take this:

3 Penitent Engines: 240 poitns

Touche my dear. . . Touche

3 squads of 2 zoanthropes...360

Kroot Master Shaper
Eviscerator
wings
78pts

Attached to Shaper Kindred
5 Shapers
Evicerators
Wings
325pts

Total 403

thats 18 wounds, with 24 S8 Attacks on the charge

WAit aren't we only supposed to do one squad of units total? How is three squads of zoanthropes legal for this thread?

Melissia wrote:WAit aren't we only supposed to do one squad of units total? How is three squads of zoanthropes legal for this thread?

Original rules

-Units can compose of 1-5 squads, no more.

^^Might be the confusion^^

I believe someone back in the 10-12 page mark asked/stated that multiple units of the same type were expectable and no one disagreed/commented so he might be going from that.

but otherwise i was thinking the same thing and just went along with it. but this isn't beat this small army, its beat this unit so naturally it wasn't meant to be very high points.

2 full Tactical squads, with flamer and Hvy Bolter 340 points?

Osh

50 conscrips with a lord comasar ftw

30 boyz with a nob probably trumps 50 conscripts with lord commissar for about the same points or less.

Veteran Squad
-- 2 Flamers, 1 Heavy Flamer
-- Demolitions
-- Chimera w/2x Heavy Flamers

That'd put a load of hurt on that Boyz squad, for 185 points.

Oshova wrote:2 full Tactical squads, with flamer and Hvy Bolter 340 points?

Osh

3 Vindicators

345 points!!!

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

Oshova wrote:2 full Tactical squads, with flamer and Hvy Bolter 340 points?

Osh

3 Vindicators

345 points!!!

3 Shas os with tl fusion blasters and missile pod and hard wired multi tracker -294

three deepstriking bs 5 guys with tl melta guns and autocannons.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

Oshova wrote:2 full Tactical squads, with flamer and Hvy Bolter 340 points?

Osh

3 Vindicators

345 points!!!

3 Shas os with tl fusion blasters and missile pod and hard wired multi tracker -294

three deepstriking bs 5 guys with tl melta guns and autocannons.

OK.

You smoke one.

Then the others turn around and place a template over you, remove them on a 2+.

um, no... three separate units each with 1 str 8 melta ap 1 shot tl at BS 5, and 2 str shots at bs 5. Those are some pretty dead vindicators. Battlesuits can fire both weapons with the multi tracker and they're both assault and battlesuits are relentless anyway. They deepstrike so if you so will it you can get rear shots if you want or DS and go for melta range.

Ok, they're different units, that clears things up!

Still a tight one due to deep strike mishaps, smoke launchers, and reserves rolls, i'll give it to you.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Ok, they're different units, that clears things up!

yeah tau suck at everything aside from vehicle killing. if there is one list that does not fear guard mech spam it's tau.

Yeah, they can eat light armored vehicles for breakfast.

gendoikari87 wrote:

3 Shas os with tl fusion blasters and missile pod and hard wired multi tracker -294

three deepstriking bs 5 guys with tl melta guns and autocannons.

10x Lootas - 150
9x Lootas - 135

Total 285. Reach out and touch somebody!

Land Raider Redeemer-265
Multi-Melta
Extra Armor

Meh, to up the points:

+5 Scouts-75

340 points

Avatar - 155

Vendetta Gunship with heavy bolter sponsons. 140 Points

Stormraven w/ TL multi-melta and TL Lascannon

200 points

Devastators with four missile launchers: 150 Points

Eversor Assassin: 95 points

Guy pops up everywhere it seems... (except dawn of war deployment, that just kills him)

Librarian, vortex of doom: 100

SwarmLord with 3 tyrant guard- 460pts

3 Exorcists: 405 pts

Guitardian wrote:Librarian, vortex of doom: 100

deffdakka wrote:SwarmLord with 3 tyrant guard- 460pts

Fail.

EagleArk wrote:

Guitardian wrote:Librarian, vortex of doom: 100

deffdakka wrote:SwarmLord with 3 tyrant guard- 460pts

epic Fail.

fixed for you

3 leman russ battle tanks 450.

2 land raiders-500points

warhound titan 760

-No Apocalypse units.

No titans.

EagleArk wrote:2 land raiders-500points

IG Veterans Squad with Demolitions doctrine - 100pts + 3 Meltaguns = 130pts
That's ten melta-bombs and three meltaguns at 130pts.

EagleArk wrote:2 land raiders-500points

Warboss with pk and squig 110 at least I have good luck tank hunting with em

EagleArk wrote:2 land raiders-500points

Rebutal:

5 Squads of 10 warriors with two darklances each.

Total: 500 exactly.

50 warriors
10 w/darklances

ech that's a tough one..

3 squads of BS Avengers ripping them apart and possibly blowing up their potential trannies with small arms fire with additional twin shricans for the serps?

2 monoliths 470 (don't have codex)

Phase out - the rest of your points

In all seriousness though, battlewagon with deffrolla, carrying Ghaz - 335

2 squads of 2 Broadsides with Targeting Arrays.

2 to kill your tank, 2 to InstaDeath your Ghaz

EDIT: Forgot points: 85 per, so 340

Ghaz has eternal warrior.

Fafnir wrote:Ghaz has eternal warrior.

So he does... not quite sure how I missed that

Fafnir wrote:Phase out - the rest of your points

In all seriousness though, battlewagon with deffrolla, carrying Ghaz - 335

8 TH/SS Assault Terminators - 320

Assuming Ghazkhull doesn't WAAAGH! at the right time, the terminators should be able to scrap the BW and kill Ghazkhull.

2, 10 women squads of Howling banshees w/ nothing

320 points

60 or so power weapon attacks that strike first

Mathais wrote:2, 10 women squads of Howling banshees w/ nothing

320 points

60 or so power weapon attacks that strike first

With the storm shields, they'll only kill 3 terminators, and be immediatly raped in every oriface afterwords.

20 Bloodletters - 340

40 non-charging power weapon attacks 8.8 termies before they hit.

If charging... 60 attacks that will kill 17.7.

2 demolishers - 320

croggy wrote:2 demolishers - 320

Sorry, croggy, they deep strike, anyways....
Platoon command squad with 2 las cannons
Infantry squad with las cannon
Infantry Squad with las cannon
Infantry squad with Las cannon.

280 points, as a squadron you can only fire on one squad with a las cannon a turn, I get to shoot you with 5 a turn, taken in average scatter rate per turn.

Cambak wrote:

croggy wrote:2 demolishers - 320

Sorry, croggy, they deep strike, anyways....
Platoon command squad with 2 las cannons
Infantry squad with las cannon
Infantry Squad with las cannon
Infantry squad with Las cannon.

280 points, as a squadron you can only fire on one squad with a las cannon a turn, I get to shoot you with 5 a turn, taken in adverage scatter rate per turn.

you can't hit what you cannot see.
2 Manticores (these don't squadron, and they can fire from out of LOS and from longer distance)

320 points, 40 points more but it is overkill.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Cambak wrote:

croggy wrote:2 demolishers - 320

Sorry, croggy, they deep strike, anyways....
Platoon command squad with 2 las cannons
Infantry squad with las cannon
Infantry Squad with las cannon
Infantry squad with Las cannon.

280 points, as a squadron you can only fire on one squad with a las cannon a turn, I get to shoot you with 5 a turn, taken in adverage scatter rate per turn.

2 Manticores (these don't squadron)

320 points, 40 points more but it is overkill.

Demolisher have a range of 24 inches on their main cannon so they have to get close anyways.

Manticores? Not really each only had 4 shots each, And with the armor of a Chimera..... Alright....

3 Scout sentinels with las cannons, smoke launchers and one with a hunter killer missile. 175 points. Walk in on the side, pop smoke, walk fire 3 las cannons into your 10 side armor, you kill 1, I walk closer, into your minimal fire range, and wreak havoc.

Cambak wrote:

croggy wrote:2 demolishers - 320

Sorry, croggy, they deep strike, anyways....
Platoon command squad with 2 las cannons
Infantry squad with las cannon
Infantry Squad with las cannon
Infantry squad with Las cannon.

280 points, as a squadron you can only fire on one squad with a las cannon a turn, I get to shoot you with 5 a turn, taken in average scatter rate per turn.

yes but if they deep strike they arrive in small amounts and cannot charge then they go bye bye

@ the sentinels

4 scout sentinels with autocannons (2-1-1) 160 pts

p.s. manticore doesn't have a minimum range does it? i thought it was just a min indirect range

yeah but my point being you hide manticores with their long range and what you can't hide you simply deploy outside of the lascannon range. It may only be 4 shots but it's also d3 large blast templates.

anyway, 3 sentinels huh? Edit: 4 scout sentinels

14 kroot and 12 kroot hounds 170 points

108 str 4 attacks on the charge. they outflank, have better saves in woods, good luck.

p.s. manticore doesn't have a minimum range does it? i thought it was just a min indirect range

it's an ordinary ordinance barrage so you only need to keep minimum distance for indirect fire.

4 Mega Armored Nobz in a Trukk W/ Armor plates (extra armor) - 205

Dedrith wrote:4 Mega Armored Nobz in a Trukk W/ Armor plates (extra armor) - 205

not quite sure what that's supposed to do to 36 kroot 12 of which are I5....


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gendoikari87 wrote:

Dedrith wrote:4 Mega Armored Nobz in a Trukk W/ Armor plates (extra armor) - 205

not quite sure what that's supposed to do to 36 kroot 12 of which are I5....

Unless the truck is av 11 rear.

...but it's not... so the Kroot shoot and assault with little issue. In several turns, the Meganobz go down.

No, the best answer is the Griffon. Large blast tempalte with no cover saves? Wonderful! Wounding the Kroot on 2+? Great! All for 75 points? Even better!

Park on the other side of the table, and wipe out a quarter of the squad every turn. And that's just with one.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Dedrith wrote:4 Mega Armored Nobz in a Trukk W/ Armor plates (extra armor) - 205

not quite sure what that's supposed to do to 36 kroot 12 of which are I5....


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gendoikari87 wrote:

Dedrith wrote:4 Mega Armored Nobz in a Trukk W/ Armor plates (extra armor) - 205

not quite sure what that's supposed to do to 36 kroot 12 of which are I5....

Unless the truck is av 11 rear.

you need 6s to glance the trukk, and with Armor Plates, chances are it's going to keep moving, not to mention it will only take me 1-2 turns to get to you. With a well placed WAAAGH, I’ll charge you, and a decent amount of MANs will survive your attacks, tearing you to pieces with S9 attacks, you will lose combat and possibly flee.

Granted, it may not be the best unit to fight the Kroot, but you don't just skip people's post because there's a better option out there, I felt I didn't need to put it in the rules seeing as it's purely common sense. We will continue this from the Mega Armored Nobz.

No, we won't, because the Kroot would beat the nobz. It wouldn't be a colossal victory that you'd expect from such numbers, but it would still be a victory for the kroot. If you post an invalid unit as a counter, then there's no reason to continue with that unit. Averaging 3 glances a turn gives them a fairly decent chance to take down the truck, and if they do it at a respectable distance, they get some good shooting on the nobz too.

To either the Kroot or the Nobz - 15 Daemonettes

45 rending striking first CC attacks without the charge = win

7 genestealers w/ broodlord- infiltrate out of LOS, charge, 21x S5 I7 Rending attacks, and 5x S6 I8 rending attacks.

Shrike325 wrote:To either the Kroot or the Nobz - 15 Daemonettes

45 rending striking first CC attacks without the charge = win

210 points.

shrike wrote:7 genestealers w/ broodlord- infiltrate out of LOS, charge, 21x S5 I7 Rending attacks, and 5x S6 I8 rending attacks.

with adrenal glands and toxin sacs- 206pts

2 dreadnoughts with assualt cannons- 260points ish (no codex to hand)

3 Broadside Battlesuits all w/ TA, and 1 shield drone 255 points

2 Squads of Chaos Chosen, all with Meltaguns

280 points.

Two squadrons of landspeeders bristling with 2 multi-meltas each, one squadron has 2 speeders, the other squadron has only 1. 240 Points


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Doh, sorry, too late, the speeders were for the dreadnoughts.

I rebuttal the previous two with a squad of 20 kroot and a squad of 15 kroot 245 points