Yeah, but that's just boring.
5 th/ss deathwing with CMl 235

You know, this is getting repetitive. I'll kite: 5 termies with CML, 235. Law of averages and all that...

Fine. How about I use 2 Ravagers with flickerfields, 225, and in return you don't use hydras? Then it won't get boring.

But that means I lose my streak... wait, I lost than anyway.

Meh, Obliterators will deal with them either way. 225 for the squads of 1.

Land Raider x 5 1250!

Tau Manta 2000. Now can we please try to stick to the rules?

So, going from my own obliterators then? The easy option is 6 lascannon heavy weapon teams for 210 points.

Ok. I never liked obliterators, but going from the heavy weapon teams, 30 orks with nob and power klaw: 220-ish (don't have my ork codex to hand).

Leman Russ, time for a good game of keep away! 220 with HB sponsons and Pask to keep the points up.

Heh. Well, there's only two things I'd use to destroy you that wouldn't result in hydras, and here's one of them: Hammerhead with railgun, disruption pods, and everything else in the armoury: 190-ish (also don't have my tau codex to hand).

So... one souped up Hammerhead?

I guess I'll just termicide it. 3 Chaos terminators, as many combi meltas as I can get - 120 ish. Codex not to hand.

Venerable DA Dreadnought with Twin linked Lascannon satying 36 inches away

Vanquisher, pask : 210 I believe.

3 Broadsides 210

I'm gonna wait a few pages before my next response. Needs more variety.

5 TH/SS terminators, 215.

Good idea. Only problem is that the thread will go quiet.
2x Ravager, keeping 24" away min.
210

2 Longfang packs with 4x ML 230

VARIATION AT LAST!

2 leman russ battle tanks 250?

You say variation, then go with 2 Leman Russ?

Son, I am disappoint.

2x DKoK Engineers with Melta Bombs, Demo Charges and Hades Breaching Drill. 270

How's that for originality

The LR may not work but anyway.
2 Boyz squads, 16 boyz each and a PK nob-276

2x Ravager with flickerfield and night shield, keeping 36" away at all times. 250

2 Fire prism with star engines staying 60 inches away.-260

4 Broadsides (squads of 1), 280. You think 60" range is impressive?

Posted 3x by accident

Posted 3 times by accident

Well, you'd need to be lucky given that I've got a 4 shot S5 sidearm, but Ok. Gork (or possibly Mork) makes you lucky.
3x 4 trueborn with blasters. 324

Land Raider Achilles 325

d*mn you!
5 Broadsides, 350

Really... er I don't really know what I would use other than overwhelming fire power from my IG heavy weapon squads,
IG infantry platoon, two squads vanilla and commander vanilla+ 3 heavy weapon squads with autocannons -355

2 Leman Russ Eradicators w/Triple Heavy Bolters - 350(ish)?

DoW

2 Carnifex with a Heavy Venom cannon each. -360

Carnifex you say? I say it's Stormrave time. 2 GK stormraven with TL Las and TL HB, keeping 36" away. 410. Lets keep the points going folks!

2 BA Stormravens with Las and Multimelta 400

3 Fire Prisms staying 60" away with spirit stones. -375

2 squads of 5 TH/SS terminators, 230.

Nmh wrote:3 Fire Prisms staying 60" away with spirit stones. -375

For the record, I have 72" Bloodstrike Missiles.
Also, what do spirit stones do?

liquidjoshi wrote:2 squads of 5 TH/SS terminators, 230.

Those would be 400 would they not? And gow would they catch the Fire Prisms?

Whoops, sorry, they would be. For some reason I only counted one squad with CML, and counted it wrong at that...

Yes it would be, and they'd be deep striking.

4 squads of GK Strike squads with a psycannon-440

Two Leman Russ Battle tanks, one with Pask, 350 points.

2 guardian squads in wave Serpents with ML weapons platforms and on the Wave Serpent -440

Really? I think I still win here as the ML can only glance front armoour on a six, side on a 5, and there ain't no way you're getting to my back. But I'll make it easier on myself by saying:

Hydras. 3 squads of 2, that's 450 points. Have fun with 72" ACs that ignore flat out cover.

4x GK strike squads with Daemon hammer on Justicar- 440

2 BA stormravens with Hurricaine Bolters, Assault Cannons and Typhoon Missile Launchers 510

Hydras... so many hydras.... 6.8 of them actually... so 6 3 squads of 2. 450 points.

2 Land Raiders 500

4 Fire prism staying around 60" away-460

7 man Sternguard with 2 meltaguns and 5 combi melta in drop pod 255
7 man Sternguard with 2 meltaguns and 5 combi melta in drop pod 255

total 510

A squadon of 2 Medusa Siege Gun 200
A squadon of 2 Medusa Siege Gun 200

400

Assuming you can't re-deepstrike

Why would it matter if I can't redeep strike? You deploy, and either lose turn 1 or I get turn 1, then drop in and melta you.

deep strikes are against the ruuuules D:

Necron Warriors, group of ten, 190 points
Necron Deathmarks, Group of five, 95 Points

Total: 285

Deep strikes are legal.

Well, lets say you DS with your troops, wherever you DS theres necron warriors to worry about

While you worry about their shiny gauss flayers, or whether you try to skirt them, Deathmarks will deepstrike RIGHT after you do, on your turn. Then, on my turn, proceed to kill the marked target with the sniper rules, and the fact that the marked target gets wounded on a 2+

Well I played this as ''Unit x deep strikes, beat unit y, unit z kills x while its on the field''.

3 Hellhounds for extra-burny, Necron melting goodness - 390

DoW

3 Fire Prisms-345

Deepstrikes are allowed, the Deathmarks can't follow because it is a different unit to the warriors. I would play it as unit X, Y DS and kills X, Z kills Y after it's been dropped.

5 stormtroopers, 2 meltas *3 = 315 points total. Should be able to do it, not sure on points. Codex not to hand.

5x DKoK Grenadiers, heavy stubber x 3 = 300

Land Raider Redeemer with pintle mounted storm bolter and extra armour -265

5 Stormtroopers with 2 meltaguns deepstrikign with airbourne assault (lets them re roll scatter) 105 points.

liquidjoshi wrote:5 Stormtroopers with 2 meltaguns deepstrikign with airbourne assault (lets them re roll scatter) 105 points.

Hmm... pretty optimistic.

Betting on decent scatter for less than 6" (even with re-roll), hitting with probably only 1 meltagun, need 6+ on 2D6, and then a 50/50 chance to prevent it from most likely Infernoing you in the face next turn with POtMS.

I think 2 squads is much more realistic (and it keeps the points reasonable!) - 210

DoW

Infantry platoon. PCS normal, 2 Infantry squads with flamers and a heavy weapons squad with Lascannos.-270

Ooh, fresh meat! 10 Bloodbrides with 3 Hydra Gauntlets, Haywire Grenades, Syren with Phantasm grenade launcher, Agoniser, Raider with flickerfield: 290
Ok, there's a chance of being shot down, but if not then nom nom nom.

10 DKoK Grenadiers with heavy flamer, 2x flamer and demo charge. 205

You sure they'd win? I'm able to move 24" towards you, you destroy me with heavy flamer and demo charge, then you can't shoot so you charge me or get charged. I win.

Nevermind that, I missed the raider :/

Ah, ok. Just have something that can survive haywires and a dark lance, and you've beaten my unit. But whatever you do, don't do massed inf!

It would have been your unit if they were on foot, right?

Probably. Then again, I am fleet, so no guarantee that you'd have been able to use either the flamer or the demo charge, and in combat it's no competition.

Squad of imperiator titans

Always one... going from Wyches, 5 Terminators, one has Stormshield and CML. 235 points.

Ooh, fun! The CML so that they're not just shot at? Leman Russ, retreating 6" and firing each turn. 200pts or something in that region?

A battery of 2x Medusa Siege Gun with bastion breaching shells 210

5 DA vets with 2 meltas and 3 combi meltas in a drop pod 200pts

10x Death Riders, Ridemaster has a power sword 180

I dunno what they are, but they sound like infantry, so 2x talos: 200

p_gray99 wrote:I dunno what they are, but they sound like infantry, so 2x talos: 200

Cavalry with S5 I5 power weapon attacks on the charge. Only WS3 though.

StormRaven playing keepaway with the Talos. MM/Asscannon - 205?

DoW

DogOfWar wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:I dunno what they are, but they sound like infantry, so 2x talos: 200

Cavalry with S5 I5 power weapon attacks on the charge. Only WS3 though.

StormRaven playing keepaway with the Talos. MM/Asscannon - 205?

DoW

Krieg units, WS 4 by default

Bobthehero wrote:

DogOfWar wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:I dunno what they are, but they sound like infantry, so 2x talos: 200

Cavalry with S5 I5 power weapon attacks on the charge. Only WS3 though.

StormRaven playing keepaway with the Talos. MM/Asscannon - 205?

DoW

Krieg units, WS 4 by default

Ah yes, Deathriders not Roughriders. My mistake.

DoW

Doesn't matter: the talos is WS 5 anyway
2x Ravager with flickerfields: 230

Hydra * 3, 1 unit squads. 225.

Hail to the hydras, baby!

*sigh*
I really start to hate those hydras. Mainly because the two things that are good against them are the two things that it's reccomended we don't use: Land Raiders and Broadsides. Oh well, I'll survive.
6 TH/SS termies: 240. Try killing them! And S8 isn't bad, either.

Libby with SS, TDA and Null Zone and Might of the Ancients.

Callidus assasin 145P

GK Strike Squad of 7 with Psycannon-150

Either you hoof it and I shoot you down, or I warp Quake and you MUST deep strike next to me so either your going across the board for me to shoot, dead, or back in reserve for another go.

2 Ravenwing Typhoon speeders with HB/TML staying 36" away
150 pts

2 Hydras: 150

And this, p_gray, is where owning a wide range of codexes helps.

3 Chaos Terminators with Combi meltas and power fists - 150 points iirc.

20 Ork boyz and Nob with PK and BP. 160P

Leman Russ 150

4 Blasterborn in a Venom with Night Shields and Extra Cannon: 185-ish.
Who needs more codexes when you've got that?

Someone who wants to counter the two Hydra's i'm going to use to counter your unit without using a Land Raider or Broadsides.

Sounds good. 6 Fire Dragons in basic wave serpent. points are something in the 200 area I think. Ok, I see what you mean about multiple codexes being useful.

Good man. Sadly, I'm not sure I see that actually reaching me, let alone melta-ing me. But whatever, I guess two GKSS with Psycannons (220) will do the job.

Might get a lucky shot in there, but I think a Leman Russ Executioner with Plasma Sponsons would do the trick - 220?

DoW

Ooh, lots of plasma!
Still, that's no match for some heavy armour
Land Raider: 250.

10 Scarabs 150
6 Scarabs 110

The 6 go in front of the 10 to grant cover (which is boosted to 3+ for being a swarm).

Those scarabs are cool and I'ma let you finish, but I'm go 10 man GKSS in a rhino with 2* incinerators and halberd for everybody else, 300 points.

Baal Predator, Flamestorm Cannon, Heavy Flamers, XXX points

3 x Killakans with grotzookas

3x Medusa Siege Gun, bastion breaching shells to all 315

4 Broadsides with targeting arrays: 320

What is their range? The medusa have 120.

72, which is plenty enough to reach anywhere on the board.

abhus wrote:3 x Killakans with grotzookas

How do thse 3 Kanz plan on killing my Baal Predator?

In combat? You need to be within 8" to hurt one of them with those templates. Even then you are glancin on a 6 with the Hfs and a 5 with the Flamestorm. Then they just jump around the side for a few Str 6 vs AV 11 and then some Str 10 vs AV 10 punches.

Anyway, @ Broadsides

2 Broods of 22 Hormagaunts with Toxin Sacs -352

Then I'll counter my own unit with a 3* Meltagun Vet squad in Chimera, 155 points, because I made a double post.

o...k?


Stormtalon Gunship with Skyhammer Missiles Launcher (Rg 60, Str 7, AP 4, A 3) and TL Assault Cannon- 155

Ceramite Plating, Ariel Assault and Supersonic. Good luck cactching me.

Deadshot wrote:In combat? You need to be within 8" to hurt one of them with those templates. Even then you are glancin on a 6 with the Hfs and a 5 with the Flamestorm. Then they just jump around the side for a few Str 6 vs AV 11 and then some Str 10 vs AV 10 punches.

Anyway, @ Broadsides

2 Broods of 22 Hormagaunts with Toxin Sacs -352

I can just drive and Drive and there'll be no way he can catch me, as soon as he gets close I can just move 18" away. We will cancel each other out as his S6 can't touch my AV13

From Stormtalon:

3 Scout Sentinels w/ Autocannons - 120pts

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Deadshot wrote:In combat? You need to be within 8" to hurt one of them with those templates. Even then you are glancin on a 6 with the Hfs and a 5 with the Flamestorm. Then they just jump around the side for a few Str 6 vs AV 11 and then some Str 10 vs AV 10 punches.

Anyway, @ Broadsides

2 Broods of 22 Hormagaunts with Toxin Sacs -352

I can just drive and Drive and there'll be no way he can catch me, as soon as he gets close I can just move 18" away. We will cancel each other out as his S6 can't touch my AV13

Yeah but you can't hurt him either. If you try to keep away your 3 weapons' flamer shots can't hurt him. If even one of his guns gets a side shot it can penetrate. If you get a shot against him, he can charge and mathhammer states he will get 9 attacks and 1.5 pens which is rounded to 2. A stunned or immobilised and you are done for. If you get immobilised/stunned you will suffer 9 pens next time.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:From Stormtalon:

3 Scout Sentinels w/ Autocannons - 120pts

Bravo good man. No Hydras

I will go with 2 Autocannon Preds 120

Since you can repeat units:

3x 1 Scout Sentinel with Autocannon - 120pts

:3

Ah see. So I will do this.


2 Autocannon Preds but they are placed rear to rear, so you can't get at my AV 10. You now need to get my side which you glance on a 4, but I pen you on a 4.

Then I say "Screw you" and pay for 5 Long Fangs with 4 ML - 110pts, I think.

Deadshot wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Deadshot wrote:In combat? You need to be within 8" to hurt one of them with those templates. Even then you are glancin on a 6 with the Hfs and a 5 with the Flamestorm. Then they just jump around the side for a few Str 6 vs AV 11 and then some Str 10 vs AV 10 punches.

Anyway, @ Broadsides

2 Broods of 22 Hormagaunts with Toxin Sacs -352

I can just drive and Drive and there'll be no way he can catch me, as soon as he gets close I can just move 18" away. We will cancel each other out as his S6 can't touch my AV13

Yeah but you can't hurt him either. If you try to keep away your 3 weapons' flamer shots can't hurt him. If even one of his guns gets a side shot it can penetrate. If you get a shot against him, he can charge and mathhammer states he will get 9 attacks and 1.5 pens which is rounded to 2. A stunned or immobilised and you are done for. If you get immobilised/stunned you will suffer 9 pens next time.

But since he can't kill me if i run away, he's not 'Beating my unit' making it an invalid point.

Anyway:

Baal Predaor, Flamestorm Cannon, Heavy Flamers.

Cost?

I have no blood angels codex, so i don't know

Broadside.

Points?

Deadshot wrote:Points?

What is this 'Points?' unit you keep mentioning and how many points does it cost?

please tell me your joking...

6 scarabs, 75 pts

10x DKoK Grenadiers with 1x heavy flamer, 2x flamer 205 pts

Ain't no kill like overkill, or so they say.

except it's almost triple the points cost

I know, figured I'd the bump cost a bit, seems that people like it better that way.

hmm, can I take plain dedicated transport by them selves? if so 2 night scythes
if not I take a doom scythe (I know, it's cheaper, but unless I can mix and match, I got nothin'

Matt.Kingsley wrote:please tell me your joking...

6 scarabs, 75 pts

You post a vehicle without ap 2 or better at your own risk. also epic avatar, been thinking of doing a rainbow dash army myself with blood angels.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:please tell me your joking...

6 scarabs, 75 pts

Baal Predator, Flamestorm Cannon, 2 Heavy Flamers.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:please tell me your joking...

6 scarabs, 75 pts

Baal Predator, Flamestorm Cannon, 2 Heavy Flamers.

Broadside. Sorry, the answer to any vehicle unit can be expressed in the form of a broadside unit or units equal to the vehicles point value.

And Broadsides die quite nicely to massed guardsmen. Because you're getting about 2 Broadsides, ~140 points IIrc, I'll take three guardsmen squads, 150 points. Deploying as close as possible to get to RF range. I only need you to fail one armour save...

liquidjoshi wrote:And Broadsides die quite nicely to massed guardsmen. Because you're getting about 2 Broadsides, ~140 points IIrc, I'll take three guardsmen squads, 150 points. Deploying as close as possible to get to RF range. I only need you to fail one armour save...

2, 2 armor saves. And we have 4 str 5 ap 5 shots a turn..... but that's beside the point, broadsides weren't meant to fight infantry.

also 3 squads of guardmen only average 1.6666 wounds on a broadside a turn. now if you had a single plasma gun in there....

edit: two armor saves per suit.

Broadsides are to be avoided.

If you're playing like that:

3 Scout Sentinels - 105pts

Annnnd that's the wrong way to kill broadsides. The right way is actually this:

2* stormtroopers squads with 2 Meltaguns deepstriking. 210 points. I know it's a big increase, but feth it.

Well then, I decide to screw you and buy a squad of Deathwing Terminators with TH/SS - 215pts

And I said feth you and go for a TDA/SS Libby Epistolary with Null Zone and Smite @ 200ish.

I think I can still win, Deadshot.

Still, if that can't happen again, Leman Russ Punisher - 180pts.

It pulls it's weight here.

1 GK Librarian W/Warp Rift and Nemisis Warding Stave, 190

Vendetta and Vets with 3 Meltaguns - 230pts

Just to be certain...

Hydra *3 225. Ima shoot you down before you even get near, then ping you off one by one.

Oh yes?

Sanguinary Guard with 5 Infernus Pistols - 225pts.

Come at me, bro.

Two Fire prisms, 230 (This is actually debatable, as I know little about sanguinary guard or infernus pistols.)

If you insist...

5x 1 Scout Sentinel with Lascannon - 250pts

Scout sentinels are not the answer to everything. Two Leman russ going back to back to deny you back armour, going after the LC one first. 300.

They all have Lascannons, your Leman Russes are pretty much fethed.

1 squad of fire dragons (6 men) is 80pts isn't it? In that case, 3 of them for 240pts.

50 Guardsmen Blob Squad with no upgrades - 250pts

3x Earthshakers 225

5x 1 Scout Sentinel with Lascannon - 250pts

5x Hades Breaching Drills - 250

If the cutting blades don't get them hopefully the melta cutter will.

DoW

The drills need to be part of an engineer squad, so that's at least 300 extra pts.

So no drills? In that case 250 pts worth of scarabs, so 16 of them, split into 2 units, both 8 strong

gendoikari87 wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:please tell me your joking...

6 scarabs, 75 pts

You post a vehicle without ap 2 or better at your own risk. also epic avatar, been thinking of doing a rainbow dash army myself with blood angels.

Thank you, but I don't get the vehicle comment? Scarabs are beasts, broadsides are infantry, so

Bobthehero wrote:The drills need to be part of an engineer squad, so that's at least 300 extra pts.

Oh it has to be codex legal? I saw folks throwing out non FOC stuff (5 separate sentinels, etc) so I figured it was just units, not legal units.

Fair enough.

DoW

Against the scarabs: Two Hellhounds - 260.

Assuming S6 templates still ID two bases per wound on scarabs?

DogOfWar wrote:

Bobthehero wrote:The drills need to be part of an engineer squad, so that's at least 300 extra pts.

Oh it has to be codex legal? I saw folks throwing out non FOC stuff (5 separate sentinels, etc) so I figured it was just units, not legal units.

Fair enough.

DoW

Well its codex legal, just out of the FCO, the Drill has its own rule mentionned that it needs to be taken with engies.

Against the Hellhounds - 2 Vendettas - 260pts

Venerable Psyrifleman Dreadnought 195 points. Presuming the Vendettas are in the same squad ofc.

If you insist...

Leman Russ Vanquisher with Pask - 205pts.

BURN, BABY, BURN!

BlapBlapBlap wrote:If you insist...

Leman Russ Vanquisher with Pask - 205pts.

BURN, BABY, BURN!

10 Tacticals, 1 Meltagun, 1 Multi Melta 180

Standard Leman russ with plamsma cannons, Pask : 255.

Vanquisher with Pask - 205pts

Venerable Dread DA with Multimelta and lucius class dreadnought drop pod 210 pts.

4 Ministorum Priests with Eviscerators - 240pts

2 Ravagers with flickerfields and night shields staying 36" away: 250pts

If you insist...

3 Hydras - not squadroned - 225pts

1 GK Venerable Dreadnought with 2 TL Autocannons and Psybolt Ammunition, 195 points.

Librarian Dreadnought with Shield of Sanguinius and Blood Lance - 175pts

4 Trueborn with blasters and grenades in a venom with extra splinter cannon and night shields. 185.

40 guard Blob Squad with no upgrades - 200pts

I win: You can't hurt the venom, and it gets 12 attacks per turn.

OK then, toss in 3 Grenade Launchers for 215pts.

Fair enough. Land raider: 250.

Replace Grenade Launchers with Meltaguns and add Lascannon HWT - 250pts

10 man Sternguard in Drop Pod 285

Combat Squading.upon disembarking.

That's illegal, you have to do it at the beginning of the game.

Wrong. You do it when you deploy the unit, however, the rule has an exception to drop pods in that you can combat squad when disembarking.

Fine, fine. Guard would still win though. I mean, it's something like a possible 62 Lasgun shots, whereas you can pump out a max of 20...

p_gray99 wrote:I win: You can't hurt the venom, and it gets 12 attacks per turn.

Don't Guard come with Grenades? Which are S4

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:I win: You can't hurt the venom, and it gets 12 attacks per turn.

Don't Guard come with Grenades? Which are S4

Anyway, moving on to my power blob...

Matt.Kingsley wrote:So no drills? In that case 250 pts worth of scarabs, so 16 of them, split into 2 units, both 8 strong

gendoikari87 wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:please tell me your joking...

6 scarabs, 75 pts

You post a vehicle without ap 2 or better at your own risk. also epic avatar, been thinking of doing a rainbow dash army myself with blood angels.

Thank you, but I don't get the vehicle comment? Scarabs are beasts, broadsides are infantry, so

disreguard, thought you were talking about the broadsides.

At the blob: Leman Russ *2, staying out of range of the LC. You'll be lucky to pop one to be fair, and you won't be able to move within side armour unless I goof up movement (I won't). Nothignelse can touch them.

300 points.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:So no drills? In that case 250 pts worth of scarabs, so 16 of them, split into 2 units, both 8 strong

gendoikari87 wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:please tell me your joking...

6 scarabs, 75 pts

You post a vehicle without ap 2 or better at your own risk. also epic avatar, been thinking of doing a rainbow dash army myself with blood angels.

Thank you, but I don't get the vehicle comment? Scarabs are beasts, broadsides are infantry, so

disreguard, thought you were talking about the broadsides.

Ah, that makes sense, I was talking about mister 'what are points?'

liquidjoshi wrote:At the blob: Leman Russ *2, staying out of range of the LC. You'll be lucky to pop one to be fair, and you won't be able to move within side armour unless I goof up movement (I won't). Nothignelse can touch them.

300 points.

2 Librarians with Warp Rift 310

1 would be suffice if you kept them together, but just in case...

8 SS/TH termies. 320

3x Medusa Siege Gun 300 pts

Land Raider Achilles: 300

It would resist all the STR 10 AP 2 shots?

If so, same with bastion breacher shells, that'll mess you up reeeeeal good, for 315 points.

Kaldor Dragio 275

50 Guardsmen Blob Squad with 4 Meltaguns - 290pts

Fine. Now the achilles. 300. Take that, meltas.

Replace Meltas with 2 Lascannons for the same amount of points - 290

2 lascannons versus 4 blasts a turn? I think I'd win.

I've got a 48 man meatshield on me though.

Yeah, so I kill about 12 per turn minimum even if you spread your guys out amazingly well, including the MMs, and then I kill the others. Or I could simply tank shock you until you run off the board.

Fine. 5 Lascannons for 350pts in a 50 man squad.

Fine. 2 squads of marines with rocket launchers and flamers hiding in cover, hoping that the frags will do more than the lascannons. If the guard run forwards, they get flamer'd. 340.

Guard blob with Pure Lasguns - 250pts

Rhino, 35 points.

MASSIVE POINT DROP!

Fine this call for drastic action.
6 firewarriors 60 pts.

Predator Destructor 60

Haevy weapons team with three lascannons. 105.

20-man Guardsman Blob with 2 Grenade Launchers - 110pts

1 Swarmlord+3 Tyrant Guard-460pts

2x 50 Man Blob Squads of Guardsmen complete with a Lascannon in each along with a Meltagun as well - 460pts

Leman russ keepaway *3 for extra killy goodness, 450

3 Vendettas, not squadroned - 390pts

6 hydra's in squadrons of 2. 450 pts.

4 squadrons of 3 Scout Sentinels with Autocannons - 480pts

4x 15 orks with power klaw nob: 500-ish

10 Purifiers 240

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:10 Purifiers 240

Against 4 separate squads of orks? Sure, cleansing flame will kill quite a few but the PKs/attacks from 56 Orks and 4 Nobs will easily kill 10 marines.

I would recommend two squads of purifiers with incinerators - combat squads for extra Cleansing action! - However many you can get for 500 points.

DoW

to the purifiers
5 DA devestators 36" away with 4 plasma cannons 190 pts

DogOfWar wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:10 Purifiers 240

Against 4 separate squads of orks? Sure, cleansing flame will kill quite a few but the PKs/attacks from 56 Orks and 4 Nobs will easily kill 10 marines.

I would recommend two squads of purifiers with incinerators - combat squads for extra Cleansing action! - However many you can get for 500 points.

DoW

I think they would, the Purifiers go first too, it depends who charges, and where they are on the battlefield ect because I could easily shoot them too, as they could to me but they'd kill a lot less.

@ Devs:

40 Guardsman blob - 200pts

Rhino. 35. Trololol

at rhino Land Raider Crusader 250 (DA)

2 ravagers with flickerfields and night shields. 250.

Really Collius? That was the best you could do?

@ ravagers: Hydra *3, seperate squads, 225.

You know, each time I post ravagers I'm secretly thinking this is a great choice, so long as that guy with the Brock Obama avatar doesn't post next. And yet, he always does.
Land Raider. 250.

Well y'know the drill

2x Medusa Siege Gun Bastion Breacher Shell 210

Commander Dante 225

Deepstrike and nuke one, beg to survive the other and then Meltapistol and Krak Grenade till death.

3 Sentinels with Lascannons - 150pts

10 scarabs, 150

6 Death Korps Grenadiers, 2x Flamer 1x Heavy Flamer, 1x Demo Charge.

153 pts

1 Hellhound - 130.

DoW

1 Grey Knight Techmarine with Hammer and Psychotroke Grenades (Will do well if the next unit is infantry) 115

2 squads of canoptek wraiths
1 1 strong withtransdimention beamer
50 pts
1 1 strong with whip coils
45 pts
total 95pts

I either assault and mess you or just get you removed from play

Matt.Kingsley wrote:2 squads of canoptek wraiths
1 1 strong withtransdimention beamer
50 pts
1 1 strong with whip coils
45 pts
total 95pts

I either assault and mess you or just get you removed from play

Not with Psychotroke

That's a good point. Then again, he's T4 and not immune to ID, correct? In that case, Tau hammerhead with railgun, disruption pods, burst cannons. 165. Bit of a points jump, but keeps it interesting

Um I can shoot you and if you fail a strength test you dead
So, yes I can

yes, but that's only a 1/3 chance, and then he charges and pwns you. Anyway, you've still got the hammerhead to beat either way.

I have 2 units, you have 1
I move 12", you move 6"
I can run away instead of shoot if I please and still be able to pwn you next turm
And 4+ Invul....
You may be OP, but I will win

You have 3++, not 4++. Anyway, railgun beats wraith. Your go.

Stupid IPod has numbers real close, meant 3 said 4
Anyway, against the hammerhead...
Well scarabs no good thanks to it's blast shot...
I got nothing...

Plus it's got 6 shots S5 at 18" range if you get too close
That's why it's my favourite vehicle.

Only 6 shots at close range? Shame. 5TH/SS termies with CML - 235.

Oh, and I will model Brock Obama onto the top of my Hydra just for you p_gray.

*sigh*

Oh well, against the hydras that you deployed against my ravagers...
No, I have a better idea. 30 orks with PK nob: 215-ish

2 Ten man dire avenger squads with exarch who has bladestorm
296( IIRC Without a codex)

1 Doom Scythe, 175 points

I will laugh as your bodies get burned by tesla and laser fire

Love the introduction of a new cron model, But I'm going to have to go with retro. 1 Exorcist W/Hunter Killer 145

Sorry, but the old stuff doesn't stand up to super-power tech, even if the tau do need updating. Hammerhead with disruption pods, railgun, burst cannons. 165 IIRC.

I'd just love to see your face when I made my shield of faith save and then blew you away. Unfortunatly a 6++ isint reliable so i am going to fall back to my usuall 2 raiders, flickerfield and shock prow -140

Are you sure that would beat me? 2 DLs, ok, but not only have I got a S10 AP1 shot per turn, I've also got a 4+ cover if you're more than 12" away and 6 S5 shots if you're closer than 18". And I can't imagine the shock prows doing more damage to me than they would to you. Yes, you have a 5++ to save you from the S10, but that's not really enough, and the minimum the railgun can do if it hits and gets past the 5++ is a weapon destroyed on a 1.

it The flickerfields are just to help me survive the tank shock. If I ram you I'll have a 3+ cover from any return fire for turboboosting making your shooting rather in-effective as you can only destroy 1 at most per turn. If I dont have you on turn 1 I'll have you on turn 2 for sure if you return fire, and if you dont then I'll just chase you around the board until I do have you.

It's only 4+ cover and chances are if you ram me with enough force to hurt me you're going to be dead, and anyway I'll probably dodge on a 3+. With the 2 burst cannons and a railgun, one will be dead per turn, and I doubt the 2 lances are enough to hurt me.
Most of the points for raiders are in the fact they can deploy troops so easily: If I were you, I'd deploy something different to take down a tank that can easily destroy AV10.

I thought it was a 4+ too. Re-read. Turboboost is a 3+. The post stands. When it comes to these two clashing its about who hits first and I've taken away that option b/c i have 2.

Just out of curiousity what is the Bs on a hammerhead? I know that most Tau are 3 and they rely on their marklights alot. If you are Bs 3 that makes its that much easier to survive return fire after I turbo.

The hammerhead always comes with wargear giving it BS4. Also turboboost is 3+ for bikes but 4+ for vehicles. And 2 lances hitting first is still nothing to that much firepower. Especially as you pen me on a 5+, I pen you on a 1+ with my main weapon and then have 6 extra shots to throw at you, not only beating you with quality of firepower but also weight of firepower. In fact, if I were choosing something to go up against 2 raiders, this is what I'd go for. So my post counts.

p_gray99 wrote:The hammerhead always comes with wargear giving it BS4. Also turboboost is 3+ for bikes but 4+ for vehicles. And 2 lances hitting first is still nothing to that much firepower. Especially as you pen me on a 5+, I pen you on a 1+ with my main weapon and then have 6 extra shots to throw at you, not only beating you with quality of firepower but also weight of firepower. In fact, if I were choosing something to go up against 2 raiders, this is what I'd go for. So my post counts.

Guys, just post something that can beat it don't have a post war about why your units is better.

That said two Ravenwing Landspeeder Typhoons with typhoon missile launcher and multimelta 150

Meh, they can beat a hammerhead fairly easily. 2 Broadsides: 140

10 eldar rangers 190

Tactical squad with flamer and missile launcher with drop pod, 205. Drop down, flamer you and bolter you, however many survive get charged the turn after.

I would expect no less
5 Sisters of Retribution W/4 Heavy flamers in an Immolator 210, cant missle the turn you drop and nothing else you have can pen the armor, I jump out and flame you with 4 heavy flamers from infantry and 1 twin linked from the immolator

Avatar of Khaine 155

I would hit you with the fire backfiring C'tan shard if I had the codex on me. That being said, I dont and as such, dont have the point value.

5 GK termies with halberds- 200

5 Hammernators 200

power weapons + strike first = you dead? 3++ is nice but im taking some down before they strike, specially since im already S 5. I mean ill rise to it, but still i think the GK's got it.

4 Raiders, flickerfield, shock prow 210
(Have the equipment just cuz thats what I always run them and have that price memorized )

You have 10 attacks in a normal round of combat. Mathhammer states 5 hits, and 2.5 wounds ( 3.3 with Hammerhand). I should fail 0.83( 1 wound) or 1.1 with hammerhand. Either way I lose a model. My 8 attacks, hit 4, wound with 3.3 and you fail 2.2. So I win combat by 1.

true enough
raiders stand
4 w/ above equipment, im just gonna run around you in circles until all of you eventually die b/c i move 12 (or 24)

2 Dakkajets with Fighta Ace and extra Supa Shoota, RPJ- 270

I dont know enough about the new models to claim a fight agains them. Someone elses turn

Mortis Contmeptor dreadnought with 2 Kheres Assault Cannons and Cyclone Missile Launcher 215 pts

Sounds like it's just a jumped-up dread to me. And dreads are easy to crack. 2 Ravagers with flickerfields: 230

not really Just a jumped up dread
13/12/11 5+ invul against shooting 12 s6 at 24" 2 s8 at 48"


to the ravagers. 10 man devestator team with lascannons 305 pts

10 Eldar Ranger Pathfinders 240
2+ cover save, ap1 on a roll of 5-6 to hit, and normal sniper rules

Land Raider Redeemer: 250

dreadknight with teleporter and sword : 225 IIRC

See, I knew you would post next! Even though I didn't post ravagers because I knew you'd be next, YOU STILL POSTED JUST AFTER ME!!! STOP STALKING ME ALREADY!

Ok, back to being sane. 2 Ravagers with FFs. Oh wait, I was meant to be sane. Ok, 30 Orks with PK nob: 225-ish

GK Stormraven with Heavy Bolter, Assault Cannon and Psybolt Ammo- 235


Can I make a suggestion? With the release of some 6th ed on Saturday, it will end up that.some.people will have the book and others do not. It would probably happen anyway but I wish to suggest one of 2 things.

1- The thread goes quiet for 1-2 weeks so.people can read, comprehend and purchase the new rules.
2- The thread remains open for 1-2 weeks using the 5th ed rules but after that it swaps to 6th

In both cases the title would be amended to say "Now in 6th Ed". Does that sound like a good idea?

Sounds like a good idea if we were still in contact with the guy who wons the thread. We can't change the title without him and we haven't seen him since around page 210 IIRC. That was when Im2randomghgh got into an argument with him.

Anyway, 3 Broadsides with targetting arrays: 240

5 man deathwing terminators TH/SS and CML 235

We could ask one of the Mod Team to edit the title?

And Caetus Assault Ram 235

Yeah, I suppose so. However, given that I've had 3 mod warnings during my time here at dakka, I suggest that someone else ask them. And 2 ravagers with FFs and Night Shields: 250

Ok, I'll do it.

15 Lootas 225

Look at all dat Dakka!

3x Earthshakers 225

3x Broadsides. 210

I can't wait for 6th Ed to come so I can stop those broadsides with fliers
"Hit me now "

but seriously, when 6th is 'offically' here the units popping up in this thread will change as we'll prob see less vehicles

And more flyers. Looks like they're going to be a massive part in 6th.

Krieg doesn't have any dedicated anti flyers units nor flyers.
Uh oh :(

Yeah, and it looks like hydras will be far more common soon enough.

Def, once they get FAQ'd to have skyfire

Yeah. Won't that make Brock Obama guy happy. And yes, I know that he's liquidjoshi, but that doesn't stop him being Brock Obama guy.

Pretty sure everyone calls him Brock Obama Guy

Anyway, we should probably get back on topic otherwise this thread may not survive the wait 'til 6th Ed

And as usual I have nothing against dem broadies...

Try a horde of something. Orks generally do the trick. Or just lots of grots...

BUT IMMA TRYUN TA TINK OVF KRON WAYYZ TA KIL EM!

wait, god damn it caps lock, too lazy to delete and restart...

3x DKoK Platoon with melta gun 210.

Points might be off by 10, give or take.

Hehe, just a bunch of guardies
C'tan shard W/Lord of fire and gaze of death- 255 (give or take 10 this is from memory )

I never liked C'tan. Then again, my best ravager once killed 2 in a single game, so 2x Ravager with flickerfield and night shields, staying back and shooting. 250.

3x Broadsides. 210

Very good. At least you're learning well. 30 Orks, PK nob: 225-ish

not original. Had to re-post 3 times before I remembered the earlier broadside post.
Burning you up with retributers. Love this matchup.

6 Sisters of Retribution, 4 heavy flamers, 1 power sword and combi flamer in an immolator with twin linked heavy flamers. The nob will be a bit difficult to chew through but ill do it eventually.

Fair enough. You've got some nice anti-inf, but not too much against assault. I take it you're roughly 200 points, so 10 wyches with agoniser hekatrix and raider with flickerfield and night shields. 200. I shoot down the immolator with the dark lances, then assault. And I've got an invun in assault against the power weapon.

my bad on the point value, it was 235
someone elses turn.

Why can't you take on the raider and wyches?

can but its been you and me back and fourth for a while. guess evryone else is still asleep

that night shield is really irritating. It took me forever to think of how to get around it and the wyches with 1 unit type.......
Damn these forum rules
Land Raider 250 I belive. 42 range (Night shield is only -6 right?) to crack your open topped with 2 twin linked las, then gun the rest of the wyches down while they cry about not being able to damage me.

Fair enough. I'm going to let someone else post because ravagers and broadsides get boring

5TH/SS terminators, CML 235

It keeps happening P_Gray.

Looks like I'm coming back to my favourite ork squad: 30 with PK nob: 225. Overwhelm them to death!

6 Sisters of Retribution, 4 heavy flamers, 1 power sword and combi flamer in an immolator with twin linked heavy flamers.
favorite unit for hordies

235 (remembered ths time!)