Agreed, but it's not new or news. It's the same price as 10 Death Company or 10 Sanguinary Guard. Grey Knights Power Armor Trooper box sets were $35 US when they were made of pewter, so did anyone really expect they'd be that much cheaper in plastic? At least the plastic ones will likely come with optional extra bits and be quicker to assemble.
Sanguinary Guard are 40 pts a piece, almost always an elite slot. Death Company are 0-1 and although found in the Troops selection, do not score.
PAGK are the core troops selection of the army and only cost 20 pts (IIRC)....plus you need to purchase them for the Fast Attack/Heavy selections as well. Not digging that price.
So the TAGK actually come with a Terminator Armoured Apothecary?
Damn that sounds awesome.
Hopefully the heads are seperate from the body (as per vanilla termies) so I can replace them if necessary (in the case that they look odd) with some Death Company or Sanguinary Guard bare heads.
Already have 25 PAGK and 14 TAGK, so I'll probably only require 2 boxes at most of each and use them as command squads.
Agreed, but it's not new or news. It's the same price as 10 Death Company or 10 Sanguinary Guard. Grey Knights Power Armor Trooper box sets were $35 US when they were made of pewter, so did anyone really expect they'd be that much cheaper in plastic? At least the plastic ones will likely come with optional extra bits and be quicker to assemble.
Sanguinary Guard are 40 pts a piece, almost always an elite slot. Death Company are 0-1 and although found in the Troops selection, do not score.
PAGK are the core troops selection of the army and only cost 20 pts (IIRC).... Not digging that price.
Ony 20pts? I want to be sympathetic, but having had to buy a metric ton of 6pt. Ork boys even for average sized armies i'm not breaking out any tiny violins at this point...
CT GAMER wrote:Ony 20pts? I want to be sympathetic, but having had to buy a metric ton of 6pt. Ork boys even for average sized armies i'm not breaking out any tiny violins at this point...
You get ~25 boys for the price of a 10 man PAGK squad though, so it's not all bad.
Agreed, but it's not new or news. It's the same price as 10 Death Company or 10 Sanguinary Guard. Grey Knights Power Armor Trooper box sets were $35 US when they were made of pewter, so did anyone really expect they'd be that much cheaper in plastic? At least the plastic ones will likely come with optional extra bits and be quicker to assemble.
Sanguinary Guard are 40 pts a piece, almost always an elite slot. Death Company are 0-1 and although found in the Troops selection, do not score.
PAGK are the core troops selection of the army and only cost 20 pts (IIRC).... Not digging that price.
Ony 20pts? I want to be sympathetic, but having had to buy a metric ton of 6pt. Ork boys even for average sized armies i'm not breaking out any tiny violins at this point...
Orks being over-priced does not equate into GK not being over-priced .
I don't think the PPM has too much of an effect on the price, being one of those space marine units that will be advertised as an insanely highly detailed unit with 90+ parts like the sanguinary guard I expected them to be like this. just be glad there not the same price as a vanilla marine tactical squad 23 GBP for ten if you ask me rather boring men.
I suppose the BA players got it out bad as they use sanguinary guard, death company and tactical marines or assault marines which are gunna cost you 37 GBP for a ten man squad.
Agreed, but it's not new or news. It's the same price as 10 Death Company or 10 Sanguinary Guard. Grey Knights Power Armor Trooper box sets were $35 US when they were made of pewter, so did anyone really expect they'd be that much cheaper in plastic? At least the plastic ones will likely come with optional extra bits and be quicker to assemble.
Sanguinary Guard are 40 pts a piece, almost always an elite slot. Death Company are 0-1 and although found in the Troops selection, do not score.
PAGK are the core troops selection of the army and only cost 20 pts (IIRC).... Not digging that price.
Ony 20pts? I want to be sympathetic, but having had to buy a metric ton of 6pt. Ork boys even for average sized armies i'm not breaking out any tiny violins at this point...
Orks being over-priced does not equate into GK not being over-priced .
Agreed, but its GW, are we expecting anything that resembles a bargain or even a reasonable price for that matter?
I don't know if this has been posted about yet or if this is the right place, but the end of the what's new today post on the gw website is a flat out indication of something if you ask me.
Here it is for convience
Spoiler:
GW said
Actually, there's quite a lot of Daemons in today's post, let's hope there's not some kind of infestation about to occur, there's nothing worse than Daemons appearing all over the place. Come to think of it, I had noticed the nasty tang of ozone in the air and little arcs of lightning sparking off all the electrical equipment. Quick, call in the Imperial Guard, call in the Space Marines. No, wait, even they can't handle this many daemons! If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...
+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++
Ok, so $35 for Justicar w/Sword, 3 guys with Halberds and 1 Incinerator, all in set poses, all metal, no options vs $33 for 5 guys, all weapon options, Justicar options, all plastic, multi-pose/multi-piece/easily convertable.
No... I don't see the problem here. I mean, the initial price was $10 too expensive (so by comparison it should be $25 for 5 metal and $23 for 5 plastic), but the comparative price between the two is hardly an increase and, in fact, you gain significantly more.
Damn sight better than the 157% price rise the fantasy Orc Boys just went under.
Orkfantic wrote:I don't know if this has been posted about yet or if this is the right place, but the end of the what's new today post on the gw website is a flat out indication of something if you ask me.
Here it is for convience
GW said
Actually, there's quite a lot of Daemons in today's post, let's hope there's not some kind of infestation about to occur, there's nothing worse than Daemons appearing all over the place. Come to think of it, I had noticed the nasty tang of ozone in the air and little arcs of lightning sparking off all the electrical equipment. Quick, call in the Imperial Guard, call in the Space Marines. No, wait, even they can't handle this many daemons! If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...
+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++
Yeah, that's been posted about a million times. No need for spoiler. In fact, I don't know why you would spoiler that in the first place.
Yeah, prices can change before release. I remember seeing a big product listing of all the price changes that were going to occur a few years back (just before the Black Templar Codex hit IIRC). Anyway, it had all the prices for the unreleased Black Templar stuff, and what their cost would be after the price increase (also set to take place before the the BT release). So a stack'a products got price increases before they were even released.
I think even the Valk went up one price bracket before it was released, didn't it?
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok, so $35 for Justicar w/Sword, 3 guys with Halberds and 1 Incinerator, all in set poses, all metal, no options vs $33 for 5 guys, all weapon options, Justicar options, all plastic, multi-pose/multi-piece/easily convertable.
No... I don't see the problem here. I mean, the initial price was $10 too expensive (so by comparison it should be $25 for 5 metal and $23 for 5 plastic), but the comparative price between the two is hardly an increase and, in fact, you gain significantly more.
Damn sight better than the 157% price rise the fantasy Orc Boys just went under.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok, so $35 for Justicar w/Sword, 3 guys with Halberds and 1 Incinerator, all in set poses, all metal, no options vs $33 for 5 guys, all weapon options, Justicar options, all plastic, multi-pose/multi-piece/easily convertable.
No... I don't see the problem here. I mean, the initial price was $10 too expensive (so by comparison it should be $25 for 5 metal and $23 for 5 plastic), but the comparative price between the two is hardly an increase and, in fact, you gain significantly more.
Damn sight better than the 157% price rise the fantasy Orc Boys just went under.
This is not AUD though?
Our pricing is ridiculously higher.
Yeah in the DCM forum AUD pricing came up. After seeing the price differences I'm assuming Australian Fantasy players are either A) Very wealthy or B) Ordering from the UK. I don't understand how LGS can survive at those rates.
from what I read in the leaked codex, henchmen units definitely take up a FoC, I think people who were so excited about it just weren't able to give it up and couldn't take the fact that there uber spam lists wont be legal.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok, so $35 for Justicar w/Sword, 3 guys with Halberds and 1 Incinerator, all in set poses, all metal, no options vs $33 for 5 guys, all weapon options, Justicar options, all plastic, multi-pose/multi-piece/easily convertable.
No... I don't see the problem here. I mean, the initial price was $10 too expensive (so by comparison it should be $25 for 5 metal and $23 for 5 plastic), but the comparative price between the two is hardly an increase and, in fact, you gain significantly more.
Damn sight better than the 157% price rise the fantasy Orc Boys just went under.
This is not AUD though?
Our pricing is ridiculously higher.
Yeah in the DCM forum AUD pricing came up. After seeing the price differences I'm assuming Australian Fantasy players are either A) Very wealthy or B) Ordering from the UK. I don't understand how LGS can survive at those rates.
I throw the odd $20 at a can of chaos black spray or a single mini every few weeks, the rest comes from overseas. A surprising portion of my local GW income is selling new players an AoBR or IoB set, can of spray and a starter's paint set after an introductory game (which nets maybe $210-$240AUD).
I can only hope the bits from the PAGK set compare to death company, and not just seals and the odd book-and-sword.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok, so $35 for Justicar w/Sword, 3 guys with Halberds and 1 Incinerator, all in set poses, all metal, no options vs $33 for 5 guys, all weapon options, Justicar options, all plastic, multi-pose/multi-piece/easily convertable.
No... I don't see the problem here. I mean, the initial price was $10 too expensive (so by comparison it should be $25 for 5 metal and $23 for 5 plastic), but the comparative price between the two is hardly an increase and, in fact, you gain significantly more.
Damn sight better than the 157% price rise the fantasy Orc Boys just went under.
This is not AUD though?
Our pricing is ridiculously higher.
Yeah in the DCM forum AUD pricing came up. After seeing the price differences I'm assuming Australian Fantasy players are either A) Very wealthy or B) Ordering from the UK. I don't understand how LGS can survive at those rates.
It is ridiculous, especially seeing as AUD just about equals USD atm. And we still pay quite alot more. Ebay is definitely my best friend for my Eldar.
On that note though, I will definitely be pre-ordering the new GK stuff to get my recently started GK army a boost
I don't really care what the AUD prices are. I never buy locally anyway, so only the £UK/$US prices concern me.
Is it actually cheaper to buy from overseas UK?!?!!? Ive been ordering from Oasis Games on ebay and stuff, but otherwise I buy from my local mindgames D:
Wouldnt shipping pretty much round it back to even? Dont tell me I have wasted thousands of dollars on THE AUSTRALIAN ENCONOMY!!! NOOOOOOOO!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Btw for all who dont know, I THINK Terminator squads in australia (vanilla ones) cost $79 dollars atm (or is it $73)
So yeah we dont get it easy. I could feed my self for 4 days with that!
I don't really care what the AUD prices are. I never buy locally anyway, so only the £UK/$US prices concern me.
Is it actually cheaper to buy from overseas UK?!?!!? Ive been ordering from Oasis Games on ebay and stuff, but otherwise I buy from my local mindgames D:
Wouldnt shipping pretty much round it back to even? Dont tell me I have wasted thousands of dollars on THE AUSTRALIAN ENCONOMY!!! NOOOOOOOO!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Btw for all who dont know, I THINK Terminator squads in australia (vanilla ones) cost $79 dollars atm (or is it $73)
So yeah we dont get it easy. I could feed my self for 4 days with that!
You have WASTED $1000s... and kept locals in jobs/business.
They arent going to leave the standard unit troops choice, and placeholder for the standard elite and heavy support choices, which has been confirmed hundreds of times to be IN THE INITIAL RELEASE, out of the initial release.
Automatically Appended Next Post: SO GUYS?! When do we get pictures? Today? Tomorrow? WHENNN!
Automatically Appended Next Post: SO GUYS?! When do we get pictures? Today? Tomorrow? WHENNN!
Everytime you ask, Jervis writes a Standard Bearer.
Goddamn Jervis. Okay other question, do we have any reliable sources on the codex author?
We know it's Matt Ward.
EDIT: They're allegedly going to go up for pre-order tomorrow around noonish.
Well here I sit praying that you're right about the pre order.
Anyone else think Matt Ward sucks? I mean the BA codex has lotsa cool stuff but very little that actually works together. Sanguinary guard are pathetic, you can't use a chaplain to guide death company, it seems like sanguinary priests and stormravens are the book's only saving graces. Couldn't the grey knights get the guy who authored the DE or IG codex?
I am so disappointed cruddance didnt write it. Ward is a USING THE WORD 'slow' AS AN INSULT IS FORBIDDEN ON DAKKA. DO NOT DO IT AGAIN. ! God damn! I could write better codexes than him!
And damn jervis too!
So preorders tomorrow at noon. Meaning pics of everything?
Rules-writing wise, he's not bad. He's not an Andy Chambers or (even worse) a Pete Haines.
The problem is when fluff gets involved or he seemingly gets projects where he's unsupervised. Then it's like...for lack of a better example, "that guy" we all knew in high school growing up. You know the one--who, if left to his own devices, somehow managed to set the shop class on fire.
Automatically Appended Next Post: SO GUYS?! When do we get pictures? Today? Tomorrow? WHENNN!
Everytime you ask, Jervis writes a Standard Bearer.
Goddamn Jervis. Okay other question, do we have any reliable sources on the codex author?
We know it's Matt Ward.
EDIT: They're allegedly going to go up for pre-order tomorrow around noonish.
Id prefer phil kelly, he doesn't butcher the fluff but balances units better. IDK my only gripe with ward is blood talon dreads killing whole squads in one round of combat.
Jaon wrote:. Ward is a USING THE WORD 'slow' AS AN INSULT IS FORBIDDEN ON DAKKA. DO NOT DO IT AGAIN. !
+1 Admin, thats really great to see!!
On the Grey knights, I can't wait, less than 5 hours until pre-orders. I really have no issue with ward, I just want to play with some new plastic minis!!
ruleslawyer @Warseer wrote:what do the following pieces of wargear do:
-psychotroke grenades (Random abilities from 1- nothing to 6- models in unit make individual test and those that fail attack own unit first)
-orbital strike relay (basically same as space marine but more choices/options per turn used)
-daemonblade (random daemonic abilities)
-hellrifle (36" S6 AP4 rending Possibly Heavy1)
-condemnar boltgun (missed this one)
-null rod (and this)
-psyocculum (and this)
-scythian venom talon (+2 poisoned weapon that I think can attack owner)
-ulumeatni plasma syphon (unit firing plasma weapon/s at unit containing this are treated as BS1)
Ah, Wednesday, pictures will probably be up somewhere today. I'm excited!
Some new tidbits to keep us busy in the meanwhile:
- Psychostroke grenades: Random abilities from 1- nothing to 6- models in unit make individual test and those that fail attack own unit first
- Psyk-out grenades: daemons and psykers are I 1 until the end of the assault phase when charged by unit with these
- Orbital Strike Relay: basically same as space marine one but with more choices/options per turn; 3 options, barrage, lance and psyk-out
- Hellrifle: 36", str 6, ap 3 heavy 1 rending
- Condemnar Boltgun: 25", str 5 Ap - Assault 1, psi-shock
- Null Rod: power weapon, unsaved wounds on a psyker inflicts Instant Death, bearer and squad cannot be affected by psychic powers (friend or enemy)
- Psyocculum: BS 10 when shooting a psyker (assassin has one)
- Scythian Venom Talon: 2+ poisoned weapon, possible with a chance to attack its wielder
- Ulumeatni Plasma Syphon: unit firing plasma weapons at a unit containing this are treated as BS1
- Truesilver armor: does a str 6 to any daemon attacking it in HtoH
- Crowe is not an IC.
GK Terminator sprue info by fluffy05:
They look very nice and are every bit as detailed as the old pewter GK Terminators.
There are extra pieces to make the GK Term Paladin models - helmets and icons to stick on top of the terminator armour. There are at least two heads without helmets that look good as variants too (for Justicars or even a librarian model). There appears to be one of each of the weapon choices - Psycannon, Incinerator and Psyilencer. Also on sprue were options for swords,halberds, nemesis staff and a Daemon Hammer.
The shoulder pads were the same design as the pewter versions and look great!
The Bane of Daemons— Article by Simon Grant
In the tumultuous years that led up to the invasion of Terra at the climax of the Horus Heresy, the Emperor foresaw the need to prepare humanity for the years to come should the decisive battle go ill. The Master of Mankind deemed the implementation of this new and secret organisation to be of such grave import that he entrusted its founding to none other than Malcador the Sigilite. By setting his Regent to such a task in so dire a time as the Horus Heresy, the Emperor clearly illustrated the necessity for such an institution to exist. And so, the creation of the Grey Knights Chapter was to be the Emperor's final gift to Mankind before his ascension to the Golden Throne, an army of incorruptible warriors whose sole duty was to protect humanity from the malevolent Daemons of the Warp.
Designated Chapter 666, the Grey Knights first emerged in the calamitous wake of the Horus Heresy and immediately set about the grim task of purging the daemonic taint that remained on many Imperial worlds in the aftermath of the bitter conflict. Whenever the Grey Knights appeared, the Daemons of the Warp were annihilated and the beleaguered Imperial forces saved. Such was the secretive nature of the silver-armoured warriors, that few of the populations they saved were even aware of their deliverance until the mysterious absence of their daemonic assailants became apparent. But the Grey Knights had already moved on, their mission accomplished, but their sworn duty never complete.
The Grey Knights are, first and foremost, a Space Marine Chapter, but there are surprisingly few similarities between them and the other Adeptus Astartes. First among equals, the Grey Knights utilise the very finest equipment that the Mechanicum of Mars have to offer, vehicles and weaponry so esoteric and rare that they are reserved exclusively for their use. It is rumoured that the Grey Knights share a genetic heritage with the Emperor himself in the same way as other Adeptus Astartes do with their Primarch. If this were indeed true, then it would go some way to explain how the Grey Knights can face the Daemons of the Warp and remain pure and untainted; in their ten-thousand year history, not a single Grey Knight has fallen to Chaos.
Forewarned of a daemonic presence by the prescience of the Chapter's Prognosticars, a task force of Grey Knights will set out from their secret citadel on Titan, Saturn's largest moon, aboard a sleek, silver spacecraft of the finest quality. With but a thousand Grey Knights to protect the million worlds within the Imperium's fold, such a detachment will rarely consist of an entire Brotherhood, the equivalent of a standard Chapter company, as there are simply not enough Grey Knights to deploy in force except under the most dire circumstances. But despite the overwhelming odds they inevitably face in battle, the Grey Knights are never found wanting, such is their skill, determination and valour.
Burn and Purge!
Grey Knights on the Battlefield
The Grey Knights are the ultimate Space Marines, elite even amongst others of their kind. Armed with an array of deadly weaponry that would leave any Space Marine player salivating, the Grey Knights are more than equipped to deal with anything they will face on the battlefield. With Terminator Squads as Troops, a Grey Knights army can consist entirely of these fearsome warriors. There are no less than four squads in power armour, each with a specific battlefield role to play, so the Grey Knights have a huge variety in their army selection. Regardless of its army composition, a Grey Knights army is terrifying to face on the battlefield, with each individual capable of slaying many times his own number of adversaries, be they Daemon, xenos or any other enemy of the Imperium.
Weapons & Wargear
Each Grey Knight is equipped with a Nemesis force weapon and storm bolter as standard, meaning that not only can each model unleash two shots a turn, even on the move, but all of their close combat attacks will ignore armour saves. Even without additional equipment, a Grey Knight army is a force to be reckoned with, but when you consider the options available to them, their combat potential is astonishing. Each Nemesis weapon type grants different advantages in addition to its status as s force weapon, from the aggressive halberd option (+2 Initiative), to the near impenetrable defence offered by the Nemesis warding stave (2+ invulnerable save in combat). The heavy weapons wielded by the Grey Knights are similarly deadly, with the psycannon offering the dual role of heavy or assault weapon, and the multi-barrelled psilencer able to unleash a ferocious six shots a turn.
Psychic Potential
The grim nature of the task that befalls the Grey Knights requires every potential recruit to be a psyker. The chosen few that survive the many harrowing trials to earn the title of Grey Knight learn to channel their innate psychic abilities into their Nemesis weapons, empowering them far beyond the capacity of a standard power weapon. Though all Grey Knights are inherently psychic, relatively few are skilled or gifted enough to undergo training as a Librarian. Each Grey Knight squad therefore learns to channel their psychic abilities through their Justicar. On the battlefield, this manifests in every squad's ability to cast psychic powers, whether it be to amplify their strength in combat or to use their powers to fire upon enemies that could not be targeted by normal means. Players can use the cabalistic abilities of each squad to gain a further tactical edge over their enemies.
Heroes of the Imperium
Every member of the Grey Knights is a psyker of some degree or other, so it goes without saying that the Chapter's designated Librarians are amongst the most powerful in the Imperium. Able to call upon a host of deadly, debilitating and augmentative powers, a Grey Knights Librarian is a formidable presence on the battlefield. Similarly supreme in the field of war, the Chapter's Brother-Captains and Grand Masters are heroes all and leaders without equal. The individual actions of these mighty champions can save or even destroy entire worlds. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the leaders of the Grey Knights are therefore amongst the most powerful in the game.
.Grey Knights: Getting Started
The Scions of TitanTitan's finest have a huge variety of army entries with which to bring death to the Emperor's foes, no less than seven of which can be made from the Grey Knights multi-part plastic box sets. Featured below are some of the myriad options available to a budding Grey Knights player.
Flexible Fighters
A Strike Squad is a Troops choice and the nearest thing to a standard squad as can be found in such an elite army. They can perform any battlefield role to the highest standard, and their generous equipment options perfectly augment the squad's flexibility. An Interceptor Squad is another versatile squad, but to a more extreme degree than the Strike Squad. Equipped with personal teleporters, an Interceptor Squad can be used to launch an all-out assault on an enemy position, or counter-attack, using a teleport shunt to launch into the thick of the fighting. Both squads can use their Hammerhand psychic power to increase their strength in combat, or Warp Quake to disrupt the arrival of enemy reinforcements.
Attack & Defence
The bane of large enemy squads, the piety of a Purifier Squad is such that they can unleash Cleansing Flame, smiting their enemies with a wave of pure psychic energy. Those that survive are no match for the righteous fury of these deadly warriors. By contrast, the Purgation Squad is the last say in heavy firepower. With the ability to field four heavy weapons and even engage targets that are out of their line of sight with the Astral Aim psychic power, none are safe from their wrath.
Tactical Dreadnought Armour
Such are the vast resources made available to the Grey Knights, that Terminator armour is widespread throughout the Chapter. As such, Terminator Squads are Troops choices in the army, and have access to a huge variety of equipment with which to bring death to their enemies. Paladins are the champions of the Chapter, each a hero in his own right. These indomitable warriors have 2 Wounds each, and one member of the squad can even be upgraded to an Apothecary, giving the squad Feel no Pain and making them all but unstoppable.
Leading from the Front
As one would expect of the mightiest Space Marines in the galaxy, the leaders of the Grey Knights are true heroes of legend. Be they Brotherhood Champions, Brother-Captains or Grand Masters, they are all consummate warriors and highly capable battlefield commanders. Any of these HQ choices will serve you well in battle, but if you want to try a subtler approach, why not field a Grey Knight Librarian and unleash your psychic might on the enemies of Mankind?
One Man Army
If the Grey Knights are too few in number to fight a particularly large and powerful Daemon of the Warp without suffering heavy losses, then they will look to a Nemesis Dreadknight to even the odds. The pilot's Dark Excommunication psychic power can temporarily nullify his target's Daemonic Gifts, allowing him to strike the killing blow whilst his opponent is vulnerable. Its powerful weaponry will happily tear through any enemy army, both at range and in assault. As a 4-Wound Monstrous Creature with the same save as a Terminator armour, the Nemesis Dreadknight's adamantium-alloy skeleton also lends it incredible durability.
Armoured Assault
The Grey Knights have access to some of the most advanced resources, and their vehicle armoury is no exception with Dreadnoughts, Rhinos, Land Raiders, Stormraven Gunships at their disposal. As the pilots are Grey Knights, they can summon their Fortitude psychic power to recover from the effects of Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned vehicle damage results.
"With but a thousand Grey Knights to protect the million worlds within the Imperium's fold, such a detachment will rarely consist of an entire Brotherhood, the equivalent of a standard Chapter company, as there are simply not enough Grey Knights to deploy in force except under the most dire circumstances"
It seems the grey knight forces has been retcon into a thousand
The terminators are amazing...the PA are awesome..just that the teleporter at the back makes it seems abit out...looks like radio antenna or something...Dreadknight looks like a big baby being strapped on to their parents
tldr wrote:Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking on that Dreadknight?
I am now
All in all, I am not wowed (metals looked slightly sharper to me). Also, 5 Marines for £20 How long before that pricing filters its way down to Vanilla Marines.
Huh. The PAGK and terminators are damn cool, it looks just right.
But the Dreadknight seriously dissappoints me... That is truly silly. Though I think it could be made much better looking, so I might buy it anyway.
I think with the pilot's helmet on the DK looks much better...and is it me or is the Hammer that the Dk wields looks too small for its size? the sword seems to be a better fit...
The advanced orders show pictures of all the sprues. Looks like the GK Terminators get from what I could count 13 heads?!? WOW. Also, I saw 5 pairs of NF Falchions, 5 NF swords, 6 pairs of shoulder pads, and 20 of those heraldry shields! Looks like there are no shortage of bitz for the GKs in this box. Also, I think the Dreadknight looks pretty cool, and I'd only have helmeted heads anyhow as I feel the bare heads on ANY heavy armor looks stupid. Why wear Terminator armor only to show your face? That's goofy.
I'd also assume that the space monkeys would be for a phase 2 release.
The PAGK look okay, but after converting an army of truescale Marines, I just can't get over how weedy their legs are. The size of the stormbolters don't help much either.
The Terminators look fine, might buy a box or two. One box, combined with what I already have and a decent counts-as Draigo conversion will allow me to easily make a fun and mildly competetive Paladin army. I need little else.
The Dreadnight is absolutely horrendous. I mean, I knew it would be bad when we saw the blurry pictures a while back, but I would have never fathomed that it would look this bad. Just absolutely horrible.
Oh, and for the record, $26 for Drago is absurd. It's a nice model, but good god, no way I'm paying that much for a stupid blister.
The Dreadknight would look really, really cool if it weren't for that ridicoulus Marine just hanging there. This makes even less sence than a Dreadnought with an exposed face.
Is everyone in shock about the Dreadknight? Are we just not getting the right angle like we did the stormraven? What in the world provoked GW to make both so disliked by all?
Draigo looks very nice. Not $22.25 nice though. Also, I'd have to say that though I like the Dreadknight, I think it would look better without the GK on board. From the close-ups on the sprue, it looks like this could be converted quite easily. Take the front of the plastic Venerable Dread, and stick the GK helmet in that, and you are in business.
Yep, quick fix really. Easy to convert as long as you have a good X-acto knife. You could even say the pilot is inside as the body looks farily bulky, or you could just say it's a different Dreadnought. I like it but I'm gonna have more fun converting a new front for that.
My opinion on the dreadknight is based on how well you can dynamically pose it. It be kinda cool to have a gigantic cape over it and treat it sorta like a wraithbone. However depending on the full selection on the list depends on me collecting grey knights or not. But honestly in all else....inb4 mass complaints of the angry mob that seems to form on anything GW produces. ^-^
OK, the models are all terrific*, and I think that I'm just about ready for yet another army to build half of and then abandon anyway, so perhaps the ghostbusters are it. Generally speaking, from DE to GK, the sculpts have been getting really incredible* and I'm super, super excited now for necrons.
*with the exception of, of course, the Dreadknight. Son I am disappoint. With the Stormraven, at least I have a compelling visual - a gunship sweeping in, yeah! - and I could get past it being butt-ass ugly. It even grew on me a lot over time. The Dreadnknight, though, I think is a bridge too far. First, it's not a new compelling visual, as we've had dreadnoughts for sort of a while now. Second, it's taken far, far too much inspiration from the walkers in Avatar, and we all know Avatar just ain't gangsta.
The Dreadknight does look like a great canvas for a truly epic Ghagzull, though.
xlightscreen wrote:My opinion on the dreadknight is based on how well you can dynamically pose it. It be kinda cool to have a gigantic cape over it and treat it sorta like a wraithbone. However depending on the full selection on the list depends on me collecting grey knights or not. But honestly in all else....inb4 mass complaints of the angry mob that seems to form on anything GW produces. ^-^
Posing it will be easy. The description even points out the arms have a ball-and-socket joint.
Anyway, god-damn, Draigo's model is awesome. Will be my normal GKHQ. The Dreadknight looks like a baby carrier.
I love that they've not changed the PAGK models too much, style-wise. They STILL look amazing.
notprop wrote:Dreadknight in its intended format looks great, but I can see it being the basis of a thousand Knight Titan conversions.
Looks like a pretty cool kit to me.
Second that, actually. I like it. Looks bad ass. Look at those mean looking weapons it's wielding and how tall it is. Frightening. A marine with ass to kick I think.
The DK reminds me of the things used by the humans in Matrix. Especially the one with two guns on the arms, it even has the servo-armatures over the shoulders like them. (needs a guy wheeling an ammo cart full of re-load crates)
- PAGK and GKT look good.
- Dreadknight - Draigo. So he is a basically a generic guy in Terminator armour armed w a shield & sword. Something you can convert in 10 minutes from your leftover plastic bitz.
A-P wrote:- PAGK and GKT look good.
- Dreadknight - Draigo. So he is a basically a generic guy in Terminator armour armed w a shield & sword. Something you can convert in 10 minutes from your leftover plastic bitz.
Just noticed something. The dreadknights built by GW have the arms of the dreadknight matched with the arms of the guy controlling it, as if controlling it by his own movements.
+1 for attention to detail GW.
ceorron wrote:Just noticed something. The dreadknights built by GW have the arms of the dreadknight matched with the arms of the guy controlling it, as if controlling it by his own movements.
+1 for attention to detail GW.
I'm liking the terminator kit, plenty of parts. I count 5 swords, 5 halberds, 5 pairs of falchions, one hammer and stave and one of each heavy/special weapon.
also PA kit comes with two psycannons and one psylencer/incinerator.
I have to say this release earns an overall "meh" from me. The PAGK look to have a good variety of poses but the psycannon looks weak-- a shame, since the rules mean we'll probably be seeing quite a few of them. The jump/teleport packs included for the Interdiction squad or whatever are also atrocious, they look like WHFB Skaven tech. The Terminator models' neck area looks really weird, the gap there is too overt. They also have a nice variety of equipment, though the dual swords look pretty dumb IMO and the warding staff could do with a more dramatic pose-- I was hoping for more of a Njal vibe. Most of the heads on both look weird except from certain angles.
The Dreadknight is weird. The hammer looks too small (first time anyone's ever said that about a GW model), but the model as a whole is honestly a lot better than I expected, and the fact that it's in plastic means that there's potential for some nice dramatic poses there to boot.
Draigo is completely out of the park, however. Probably one of the best character models GW currently produces-- up there with the Terminator Librarian and Chaplain-- and the head options make it even better.
Fafnir wrote:The PAGK look okay, but after converting an army of truescale Marines, I just can't get over how weedy their legs are. The size of the stormbolters don't help much either.
EXACTLY!
Something seems 'wrong' with the PAGK, and I think those two things in particular are the biggest 'offenders'.
Fetterkey wrote:I have to say this release earns an overall "meh" from me. The PAGK look to have a good variety of poses but the psycannon looks weak-- a shame, since the rules mean we'll probably be seeing quite a few of them. The jump/teleport packs included for the Interdiction squad or whatever are also atrocious, they look like WHFB Skaven tech. The Terminator models' neck area looks really weird, the gap there is too overt. They also have a nice variety of equipment, though the dual swords look pretty dumb IMO and the warding staff could do with a more dramatic pose-- I was hoping for more of a Njal vibe. Most of the heads on both look weird except from certain angles.
The Dreadknight is weird. The hammer looks too small (first time anyone's ever said that about a GW model), but the model as a whole is honestly a lot better than I expected, and the fact that it's in plastic means that there's potential for some nice dramatic poses there to boot.
Draigo is completely out of the park, however. Probably one of the best character models GW currently produces-- up there with the Terminator Librarian and Chaplain-- and the head options make it even better.
Definitely agree on Draigo, but I disagree on almost everything else. I love the double sword thing, even.
filbert wrote:Looked at the prices.
No. Just no.
Where did you see that? I can't find it, probably me being dumb.
Aye, the stormbolters seem a tad to big, the sickle magazines don't help in that regard.
But looking at the sprues, it looks like the magazines are seperate. Can't see the side of the stormbolters were the magazines are supposed to go though, so don't know how smooth they are.
On that note, I agree that having the Marine hanging their doesn't look that impressive....but I expect to see lots of kickass conversions based off of that kit. And to be honest...it's not giving me the 'HAHAHAHA ARE YOU SERIOUS?!' vibe that the CHibi-Hawk gave me, and even the Chibi-Hawk started to grow on me after a while...
That being said, Draigo looks friggin awesome....alas for his price tag though. 13.80 quid for one model.....
looks like those guys doing the inquistor henchmen lists might struggle since atm all the henchmen are still the old metal models so i couldbe around £60+ a squad xD
I think this is probably the first GW release in a long time where I won't be buying anything, not even the codex.
Before anyone starts crying "OMG GW ONLY CAERS BOUT MY MONEY I QWIT FOREVER"
The new codex is $29 for 96 pages.
The old codex was $20 for 66 pages.
This is literally EXACTLY THE SAME PER PAGE. 3.3 page per dollar.
If anything, rejoice as the book has had no relative inflation.
Power Armor GK went down in price (oh yeah, now you remember that heavy weapons cost money).
Terminator armor GK went down in price.
You also get them in plastic with a half dozen weapons options for every model. And shoulder pad options. And heads. And poses. And the list goes on.
What did you expect, a happy end with every order?
The use of tattoo lettering and "ETERNAL FLAME" together with the double-L on Draigo's shield (so you could have yet another skull) totally won me over. Totally.
Have to agree that the guns look just too big on the wrists and the dreadknight looks a bit silly. Although rather than a knight titan conversion, with some streamlining it could make a rather cool Eldar titan.
Also, what is with the bigh handles on the backpacks of some of the PAGK's? Are they for daemons to grab hold of while attempting to make sweet love to the GK inside the armour?
Lord_Astaroth wrote:Draigo looks very nice. Not $22.25 nice though. Also, I'd have to say that though I like the Dreadknight, I think it would look better without the GK on board. From the close-ups on the sprue, it looks like this could be converted quite easily. Take the front of the plastic Venerable Dread, and stick the GK helmet in that, and you are in business.
$37 in Australia, but that's a damn side better pricing than the $25 Beast Master next to him.
SilverMK2 wrote:Have to agree that the guns look just too big on the wrists and the dreadknight looks a bit silly. Although rather than a knight titan conversion, with some streamlining it could make a rather cool Eldar titan.
Also, what is with the bigh handles on the backpacks of some of the PAGK's? Are they for daemons to grab hold of while attempting to make sweet love to the GK inside the armour?
there the jump pack grey knights i think they are like relays so they can Warp "shunt"
ph34r wrote:
The new codex is $29 for 96 pages.
The old codex was $20 for 66 pages.
This is literally EXACTLY THE SAME PER PAGE. 3.3 page per dollar.
If anything, rejoice as the book has had no relative inflation.
But considering that the codex is written by Matt Ward, not much of it will even be worth reading anyway.
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
The day I go into a bookstore and start counting pages per dollar as a way of trying to assign quality or value for money is the day I stop buying books. I don't do it with paperbacks from Waterstones so why should that apply to GW rule books? They are overpriced as it is - trying to justify that price by working out whether the price has increased from one edition to the next is simply clutching at straws.
I think the Dreadknight looks like the best walker GW has ever done. They are finally inserting design elements that don't take from the worst parts of the late industrial revolution.
I do agree that the baby carrier aspect of the DK is pretty stupid looking, but when I look at the photos, my eye is automatically blotting that out and coming up with conversion ideas.
Also the armatures do harken back to the Matrix 3 and Avatar (two movies I can never, ever unsee), but they also look like they're very easily kept off the model to make an even more sleek looking, dynamic model.
When you see DK's converted to not look so goofy next month, you'll see how awesome looking that model is.
My GK army will have three of them. The question is, do I come up with the same conversion to de-baby carrier the models, or make each one unique...
The poses on the GKT's and the PAGK's are simply awesome. They're flexible and dynamic, giving all kinds of options to people. You could even do an arced leaping two handed GK a la 300. I'll agree on $35 being way too expensive for five plastic marines, but those kits will be worth buying for the weapon options alone. Where I think they'll really shine is truly dynamic, unique posed GKT's. They are also light years ahead of the crappy poses the metal PAGK's had.
Alphacerberus wrote:there the jump pack grey knights i think they are like relays so they can Warp "shunt"
Oh dear. Good idea, poor execution.
should have done some DoW style teleporters with the blue crevice and center back plate would have made them look great and could have been cheap as they would just cover the standard backpack pieces
I'll see if I can get a picture of castellan crowe and the jokaero later today for folks.
Not sure why they somehow missed the boat this time? although saying that the pre-order sheet also included all the normal space marine vehicles that GK can take, as well as the old metals and special characters, though interestingly, none of the inquisition stuff was on the list bar the assassins.
I'm not exactly pleased - but more vindicated in knowing it's not just me that thinks the PAGK look off, I thought I was being too critical. I think of lot of it is down to the poor posing on the models, it doesn't help they seem to be very top heavy and lots of open spaces on the legs.
The Termi Apothecary stills looks brilliant to me. Not sure if I mentioned that already
I'm really hoping we get some plastic models for Inquisitorial Henchmen or proper Pure Inquisition armies are going to be reeeally expensive to field... expecially to see how they do Jokaero.
I must say all the infantry looks awesome, they seem to have gone for a slightly cleaner, sleaker look for everything and it looks really good. They at least look a bit different from every other Marine around. Looks like they are going to be a nightmare to paint well though.
Tbh I think the main frame of the Dreadknight looks pretty good, it follows the same clean, sleak look as the rest of the infantry and generally pulls of the whole 'giant Space Marine' look pretty well. The problem is it all falls to pieces as soon as you look at the the way the pilot is attached to the front. He looks too much like he has just been strapped in at the last minute rather than being a part of a properly designed battle suit which protects him and serves as an extension of his body (which is what it looks like they were going for). If there is an easy way to modify it to look more natural then I suspect its going to be very popular.
Ok... so... from the top. My thoughts. Good/Bad/Ugly.
Power Armour Grey Knights
I'm making the assumption that the guys in full Silver are the Strike Squad members (and by extension the Purgation Squad as well), and that the white-helmeted GK's are the Purifiers. The dudes with the Sci-Fi Radios are the Interceptor Squads, obviously.
The Good:
Great kit. Love the options.
Glad to see the Falchions.
Details are good and they don't differ too much from the current models.
White helmets make the Purifiers look fething awesome.
Psilencer looks pretty cool, and I'm glad I know what it looks like finally.
The Incinerator looks cool.
I like the Teleport Backpacks. They're pretty nifty.
Lots of bits. Very nice.
The Nemesis Deamonhammer is wicked!
Two Psycannons per box is a nice touch, but it's also sad because...
The Bad:
... the new Psycannon looks like ass. Terrible redesign, doesn't look nearly as chunky, and the ammo box is goofy.
Two Halberds per box? Are you kidding me? Unless they're suddenly limited to two per squad (which is gonna piss a LOT of existing players off) then that's just criminal.
There's something that's... 'off' about their heads. I think it's the paint job though rather than anything technical.
Only 7 heads. That's kinda pathetic.
Why are they carrying daemon heads? How does that even make sense?
The Ugly:
The paint job and posing on some makes them look out of proportion and far too cartoony.
The eyes don't help either - and that's probably what's making their heads look 'off'.
The magazines on the Storm Bolters. They look ridiculous. Great big exaggerated over-sized clips sticking out the side is by far the worst design decision about this entire kit. They're horrible!
Grey Knight Terminators:
The Good:
Really love these guys!
Loads of great weapons options!
Falchions for the whole unit.
Halberds for the whole unit.
A really great looking Daemonhammer.
The Warding Stave is nice... if a little Eisenhorn-y...
The Apothecary bits are great, and will be found in other armies that can still take Apothecary Termies, like Deathwing (I think)
The Squad leader is great.
The Incinerator and Psilencer both look beefy!
The banner is cool.
Termies don't looks stupid with two swords, which I was afraid of.
Bits galore!
As I said, love this kit
The Bad:
Psycannon looks better here, but still terrible. Don't know why they redesigned it that way. It looks really stupid.
Again with the holding Daemon-heads? What gives?
The Storm Bolter magazines look better here. Not 100% on board with the concept, but whatever. They're not super-sized like the PAGK, so it's mostly ok.
I really can't tell what's meant to be a Paladin and what's not... they're not distinct enough in my mind.
The Ugly:
Again, the heads. Someone made the comment that they looked like someone had made heads out of regular Termy heads, and they're right. They've got big chunky face grills/cheeks and it really stands out compared to the other ones. That said, I actually think it makes them look more aggressive. It's ugly, but it's good ugly!
The banner says 'Nemesis'. Yeah, we get it, Nemesis in this book is like Blood in the Blood Angel book. Enough already!
Draigo:
The Good:
He looks great. Wonderful detail. Very impressed.
With his helmet he looks amazing.
The Bad:
Without his helmet he doesn't look so hot.
The Ugly:
His fluff. Someone take Ward's computer away now!!!
And finally... *sigh*
Nemesis Dreadknight:
The Good:
Umm...
Uhh...
Well...
Err...
This is hard man!
Ok, that sword is just boss. I love the sword. I'm totally down with the whole 'sword' thing. Yeah.
What else... what else...Oh! The Heavy Psycannon and the Gatling Psilencer and especially the Heavy Incinerator, they're really great!
And... uhh...
There's gotto be something...
the pilot looks better with the helmet... but better in the same way that hammering one nail through your hand is better than hammering two nails through your hand, so maybe that shouldn't be under 'good'.
The Bad:
It's too tall.
It's too spindy.
The legs looks stupid.
The wording on the legs is daft.
The pilot looks absurd, just hangin' there like an idiot.
The big hydraulic crane/arm thingies look stupid.
Look at how the heavy weapons are positioned... how the feth does it punch when the barrels of its guns stick out in front of its much-vaunted Doomfists?
Why is he wearing Terminator armour?
If you stare out it and tune out the pilot it looks like a headless mascot for an auto-repair company or something you'd see in a Pixar film.
It's not Chibi-Hawk bad, that's for sure, but it's bad.
This isn't good folks.
They should know better by now.
Still, all that said, I believe this model salvageable.
How, I'm not sure, but I'm sure that something can be done.
It's mostly the legs though.
The Ugly:
That, sir, is not a 'Nemesis DOOMFist'. That's a Nemesis Piece-of-Gak. They're not Dreadnought Close Combat weapons. There's nothing DOOM-like about them.
Pathetic.
The Daemonhammer is really weedy. After the awesome might of the Nemesis Great Sword (and it lives up to that name), the Hammer is a serious disppointment - it just looks like a regular Marine Thunder Hammer. Boring!
The non-helmeted head. Why????
Overall Impressions: The Power Armour Grey Knights are a 6/10. The sculpts are fine, their paintjob on the Strike Squad makes them look worse than they are, and the lack of Halberds for the whole unit is a major oversight. It would be 9/10 but the stupid new Psycannon causes it to lose a point and the jumbo-sized Storm Bolter magazines knock two points off. They're awful.
The Grey Knight Terminators are a 9/10. They are certainly different from the existing metal ones, but not too different. I like the chunkier heads to be honest.
Everything about Draigo (the model) is awesome. Everything about Draigo (the character) is ball-tearingly stupid.
The Dreadknight... I dunno... if you can do more than just have it stand there looking all gaunt and stupid, then maybe it can be saved. If not, then it's another terrible waste of a slot on the yearly plastic frame quota.
Conclusion: I feel another Chamber Militant coming on, and this time one that actually has rules!
ph34r wrote:Draigo on the other hand is a huge win.
I know. Doesn't his pose just scream "I'll carve my name into your heart... and then single-handedly defeat all of Chaos!"
I'm glad some people like the dreadknight, I am, I just can't get with it.
I was really excited about the concept and laughed off the blurry pic hatred as internet whining. Now that I've seen it I think it fails because it lacks the blocky, top-heavy design of Imperial vehicles in general and Space Marine dreadnoughts in particular. It has the relatively lighter, smoother angles of the afore-mentioned blockbuster sci-fi movie exo-suits, which, while fitting the design ethic of those movies, both struck me as things that would have look cooler with just a touch more 40K unwieldiness. It's less functional, probably, and less realistic, but the proportions on the dreadnought kit make it look freaking awesome. The dreadknight's track star legs make it look like a weird Gundam kit to me.
filbert wrote:The day I go into a bookstore and start counting pages per dollar as a way of trying to assign quality or value for money is the day I stop buying books. I don't do it with paperbacks from Waterstones so why should that apply to GW rule books? They are overpriced as it is - trying to justify that price by working out whether the price has increased from one edition to the next is simply clutching at straws.
So you'd be totally cool if codexes went down in page count, right?
Sorry bud, but a 50% longer codex that costs 50% more after half a dozen years of inflation is not unreasonable.
filbert wrote:The day I go into a bookstore and start counting pages per dollar as a way of trying to assign quality or value for money is the day I stop buying books. I don't do it with paperbacks from Waterstones so why should that apply to GW rule books? They are overpriced as it is - trying to justify that price by working out whether the price has increased from one edition to the next is simply clutching at straws.
So you'd be totally cool if codexes went down in page count, right?
Sorry bud, but a 50% longer codex that costs 50% more after half a dozen years of inflation is not unreasonable.
Quantity =/= quality.
I don't care about the number of pages - solely the content; that is what I make a value judgement on. Just because it has more pages than the previous edition does not justify a price increase and nor does it validate charging £17.50 for a book. GW codexes have always been overpriced for what they are (arguably the same as the rest of GW products) - its just even more readily apparent now, and will be when 40k codexes switch to hardback and the price rises further. Again, if I were to go into a bookstore and consider purchasing two books, I would not expect a 500 page paperback to cost more that a 300 page one. If that were true then authors would be paid piecework per word written rather than on the quality of their output. Trying to argue a price rise is justified because the page count is increased is a non-argument.
Wow gotta say I only give the whole line a 6/10. The new storm bolters and Special weapons look USE OF THE WORD 'slowed' AS A PEJORATIVE IS FORBIDDEN ON DAKKA. REMEMBER THAT SOME OF YOUR FELLOW POSTERS HAVE FRIENDS OR FAMILY WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES. DON'T DO IT AGAIN. The dreadknight looks EXACTLY like the walkers in James Camerons Avatar. and ther is just something funky about the heads.
Love the terminators though, nothing wrong with them I see.
I don't care about the number of pages - solely the content; that is what I make a value judgement on. Just because it has more pages than the previous edition does not justify a price increase and nor does it validate charging £17.50 for a book. GW codexes have always been overpriced for what they are (arguably the same as the rest of GW products) - its just even more readily apparent now, and will be when 40k codexes switch to hardback and the price rises further. Again, if I were to go into a bookstore and consider purchasing two books, I would not expect a 500 page paperback to cost more that a 300 page one. If that were true then authors would be paid piecework per word written rather than on the quality of their output. Trying to argue a price rise is justified because the page count is increased is a non-argument.
If you think an increase in content does not plausibly, even possibly justify an increase in cost, then I honestly don't know what to say for your critical thinking skills. EDIT: Actually I do, they suck
You are welcome to quit 40k forever and leave Dakka, though. I don't think you will like what 40k has in store if you are adverse to lowered model prices, increased model options, and increased codex content with exactly proportional price increases.
A-P wrote:- PAGK and GKT look good.
- Dreadknight - Draigo. So he is a basically a generic guy in Terminator armour armed w a shield & sword. Something you can convert in 10 minutes from your leftover plastic bitz.
Dreadknight doesn't look Imperial. If it was more like the P. Engine or Throne of Judgement from WH maybe i'd like it, but it looks too "Tau/Avatar" to be a Marine construct...
But yes 12 year old kids with no loyalty to established Imperial design style will think it "roxxors111"
The Dreadknight remains, as of now, the worst model I have yet to see from GW. I like the Pumbagor better than I do the Dreadknight.
The Terminators and PAGKs though...are ace.
-The clips on the Storm Bolters, while a bit unwieldy are the same size as the clips on the normal Storm Bolters we see in the Terminator boxed set. I like that, I like that far far better than that dinky clip on the Storm Bolter from the SM Commander box.
-The 'daemon heads', while a bit...over the top, make a kind of sense. By the time Grey Knights are supposed to be getting involved, a world is pretty much on the brink of becoming a Daemon World. Daemons have physically manifested themselves and are not restricted like they normally would be. So, rather than simply dissolving like they normally would--it is plausible that they'd remain as corpses.
-The Terminators. Sweet zombie Jesus, I love them. Banner, Apothecary, everything one could need for making a Deathwing force
I don't care about the number of pages - solely the content; that is what I make a value judgement on. Just because it has more pages than the previous edition does not justify a price increase and nor does it validate charging £17.50 for a book. GW codexes have always been overpriced for what they are (arguably the same as the rest of GW products) - its just even more readily apparent now, and will be when 40k codexes switch to hardback and the price rises further. Again, if I were to go into a bookstore and consider purchasing two books, I would not expect a 500 page paperback to cost more that a 300 page one. If that were true then authors would be paid piecework per word written rather than on the quality of their output. Trying to argue a price rise is justified because the page count is increased is a non-argument.
If you think an increase in content does not plausibly, even possibly justify an increase in cost, then I honestly don't know what to say for your critical thinking skills. EDIT: Actually I do, they suck
You are welcome to quit 40k forever and leave Dakka, though. I don't think you will like what 40k has in store if you are adverse to lowered model prices, increased model options, and increased codex content with exactly proportional price increases.
What on earth has not liking the price of a new codex and range got to do with quitting 40k and Dakka?
I think we shall have to agree to disagree. However, if you think that the price of a book should correlate to the number of pages in it, then I fear for you.
Edit: I'm not going to bother debating with you - if you wish to be rude and insult other posters then that is your look out. Welcome to ignore.
I'm not seeing what's so awesome about Draigo. He has a nifty shield, but aside from that, he looks like a Grey Knight in Terminator armor, and it looks like he's sorta twisting away at a weird axis/angle, and his cloak seems relatively static even though it's angled as well. (Like it's starched too much ;-))
Looks like a Seb Perbet marine to me. Comparing them side by side with Stern still leaves me with a "meh".
EDIT:
Also, I think the DreadKnight has potential. It's not as bad as some of you are making it out to be. As such, looking at His Master's Voice's picture, if you can enclose the pilot so his legs aren't sticking out, it looks alot cooler. Hell, if you remove the pilot and give it a "head", or a dreadnought sarcophagus, it would probably look pretty pimp.
Two Halberds per box? Are you kidding me? Unless they're suddenly limited to two per squad (which is gonna piss a LOT of existing players off) then that's just criminal.
I don't think this is a mayor issue. For starters, there's actually 3 in the box (all on the second sprue). And with heavy weapons taking up both hands and the fact that you're probably not going to take 100% halberds on all your PAGK, you should have plenty.
The magazines on the Storm Bolters. They look ridiculous. Great big exaggerated over-sized clips sticking out the side is by far the worst design decision about this entire kit. They're horrible!
Agree, the sickle magazines on the already large storm bolters make it look out of proportions. But it seems they're seperate on the sprues so perhaps it's not a really big issue. Depends if the side of the stormbolters the magazine is attached to is smooth or have a "insert magazine here" gap.
Grey Knight Terminators:
I really can't tell what's meant to be a Paladin and what's not... they're not distinct enough in my mind.
I think the ones with the book banners are the Paladins?
Nemesis Dreadknight:
Look at how the heavy weapons are positioned... how the feth does it punch when the barrels of its guns stick out in front of its much-vaunted Doomfists?
Switch to a cutting flame a la Ork Burna Boys? Or Heavy Psycannon-whip them in the face!
Why is he wearing Terminator armour?
Why wouldn't he? Every GK has a suit of terminator armour, so power armour would be less common. And while he's in a huge exo-suit, he's exposed to the elements.
The Daemonhammer is really weedy. After the awesome might of the Nemesis Great Sword (and it lives up to that name), the Hammer is a serious disppointment - it just looks like a regular Marine Thunder Hammer. Boring!
Aye, it looks way too small. Luckely, hammers aren't that hard to make your self. Just need a rod, a bit to smash face with and some bling to make it look more ornate.
Terminator Armored Apothecary and Standard Bearer. About freaking time, and when do we get one for the Dark Angels? Every SM chapter should get terminator command squads, honestly.
Glad to get more archaic looking power armor.
Hate:
Why do the stormbolters look like a 12 year old glued them on at the last second? The Blood Angel "Angelus Boltguns" look way better on the wrist than these do.
Those warp-jump backpacks look ridiculous.
Terrible posing overall, though hopefully that was just the way these were assembled.
Dual sword wielding Terminators WITH storm bolters still? DAMN! Ginsu for the Emperor, I guess.
Something about the heads of all of the GKs just seems a little odd. I can't quite put my finger on it.
Draigo with helmet looks bad ass. Might be too expensive, but I would buy that model if I didn't play GK.
Dreadknight is meh. I think most of it is OK, except the huge hydraulics on the back t control the arms. I will probably modify mine to eliminate those and make the pilot more secure.
Overall though, I'm a fan. I'll give it an 8 out of 10 from what I see.
His Master's Voice wrote:I don't have an issue with the Dreadknight. some extra armor plates and more movement and it will be one bad ass model. Like so...
Hmm, more like so, I'd say: (though it is not that good done, but you get the idea)
I'm almost thinking it might just be the way they're painted.
No, really--I'm serious here!
It almost looks like they had someone do the models in NMM in some places, and standard metallics in others. Those two methods, when done by someone who knows WTF they're doing, would cause a very sharp contrast in photos and cause an 'off' feeling that you just can't place.
I don't care about the number of pages - solely the content; that is what I make a value judgement on. Just because it has more pages than the previous edition does not justify a price increase and nor does it validate charging £17.50 for a book. GW codexes have always been overpriced for what they are (arguably the same as the rest of GW products) - its just even more readily apparent now, and will be when 40k codexes switch to hardback and the price rises further. Again, if I were to go into a bookstore and consider purchasing two books, I would not expect a 500 page paperback to cost more that a 300 page one. If that were true then authors would be paid piecework per word written rather than on the quality of their output. Trying to argue a price rise is justified because the page count is increased is a non-argument.
If you think an increase in content does not plausibly, even possibly justify an increase in cost, then I honestly don't know what to say for your critical thinking skills.
EDIT: Actually I do, they suck
You are welcome to quit 40k forever and leave Dakka, though. I don't think you will like what 40k has in store if you are adverse to lowered model prices, increased model options, and increased codex content with exactly proportional price increases.
I'm probably one of the stupidest people in the world and even I get what filbert's trying to say. You seem to be deliberately ignoring his argument in favor of hurling insults at him at this point.
Looking good, the only thing that ruins it for me are the large mags on the side of the wrist mounted storm bolters of the PAGKs. They stick out too much, using the previous mags, as with the terminators would've been better.
Yup, sums up my feelings. The rest look great, as expected, but that dreadknight is an eyesore.
I am impressed with the TAGK, as I expected to be. Looks like Ill have to work a box into the budget, along with that SC. The PAGK are quite nice as well, but since Im not gonna build an army, no need for them.
Sidstyler wrote:I'm probably one of the stupidest people in the world and even I get what filbert's trying to say. You seem to be deliberately ignoring his argument in favor of hurling insults at him at this point.
It's what ph34r does to me, so why should anyone else be exempt?
Mattlov wrote:Something about the heads of all of the GKs just seems a little odd. I can't quite put my finger on it.
It's wierd, innit? I think we're all seeing something 'wrong' with the GK heads, but we just can't work out what's actually wrong with it.
I think it's the lower section - it does almost look like they're made from normal helamets and they've been filed down a little too far, so the head looks like they have no lower face. At least that's the best way I can describe it.
Anyway...dreadknight's terrible, I hate it. Still doesn't beat the plastic derp-prince as far as ugly models go, but it's definitely a contender.
At least the stormraven looks like a Space Marine vehicle, this god-damn thing doesn't even look like it belongs in the same universe. What the hell, that's all I can say.
to make the dread knight better they could have just ripped out the center bit placed the guy in the middle diplaying only his headto should then put some sort of clear canopy much like eldar tanks etc then it would look more streamlined and without the whole nursery baby carrier vibe#
also it would have saved them money on plastic to xD
Man that dreadknight is awesome. I can't wait to loot it. Would make an excellent deff dread. I might even put a silly metal head ontop of it with a beard.
Lord Scythican wrote:Man that dreadknight is awesome. I can't wait to loot it. Would make an excellent deff dread. I might even put a silly metal head ontop of it with a beard.
might be the only thing its good for xD but do post your conversions xD id love to see a ork beging carrier by one of these xD
His Master's Voice wrote:I don't have an issue with the Dreadknight. some extra armor plates and more movement and it will be one bad ass model. Like so...
I was just going to say the thing that bothers me most about the model is the exposed pilot's legs. I agree if those are concealed the look of the model improves tremendously.
Draigo: I must be the only person in the entire 40k hobby that doesnt like this mini at all.
Nothing about him yells "special", "kick*ss" or more "powerful" then a standard GK terminator imo.
The shield is the worst piece and it is quite funny when I was criticized for making "ugly" little skull sculpts when the skulls on draigos shield are even worse.
The text is also pretty bad, like some amateur sculptor attempted to make letters and failed.
Nope, wont be getting a draigo mini in my army unless it´s a gift from a friend.
PA grey knights What is it with the huge stormbolter clips?
I am so missing the old ammo feed lines going from the stormbolter to the backpack, those really added a cool look to the minis. Now they look like shooting TV sized pistols with TV sized ammo magazines attached to them. That one is a big downer.
The heads are good though and I actually love the teleport backpacks, they add a high tech feel to the otherwise steam and rivet space marines.
Nemesis falchions are a disappointment though, I was expecting curved sable blades, not short versions of the common swords, there is nothing "falchion" about them although they look cool pose-wise.
GK terminators Apotechary is awesome and all the extra bitz you can customise the squads with are great.
I feared for the warding stave thinking it will look ugly but damn, I love it the way GW did the thing.
dreadknight Again, I must be with the extreme minority here for I love this model.
It adds high tech feel to what I by now think is a tad to much steam and rivet.
I am sure additional armour plates covering the terminator legs can be converted to make it look better.
My biggest concern is the possibility to magnetize the weapons on the arms, I only want to buy three dreadknights and I want all weapon options to be swappable.
I also predict a massive ebay business selling GK bitz with such expensive 5 man PAGK boxes and different (official) colour themes for PA squads and only 2 halbeards per box at least I will have to wade through ebay to get all I need to compliment the PAGK part for my army.
What on earth has not liking the price of a new codex and range got to do with quitting 40k and Dakka?
When one runs out or arguments to make, one begins to attack the poster. Pretty simple really.
It's what ph34r does to me, so why should anyone else be exempt?
Oh I know all about it. Coupled with a compulsive need to a l w a y s, no matter what, get the last word (read: insult) he makes for a rather amusing little piece of psychological study.
Lets wait and see what his next inevitable counter-must-have-last-word will bring
Has anyone else noticed the old Justicar Model has become the Brotherhood Champion now?
Gotta say I will be picking up at least one Dreadknight and depending on posability/customisation options I may get the full three, guess its one of them marmite things
Regards the dreadknight I think I would be tempted to mount the wrist weapons on the shoulders, possibly using the extra girder "arms" to hold them in place, or hold the guns over the shoulders.
Might also be tempted to replace the stormbolter ammo magazines on the PAGKs with ammo belts that loop round into the back packs, or mount them on the shoulders/backpacks as well.
I'm thinking about the Dreadknight. You know, if you were to A) Cover up the legs of the baby carriage, and B) Change the way the weapons are held, it would be great.
What I'm planning on doing with the weapons is making them into a rifle like contraption, and having the dreadknight hold both of them in it's two hands. For the blade, I'd have it in a dynamic pose with the blade raised in the air by both hands, and have the gun mounted on the shoulder.
I don't care about the number of pages - solely the content; that is what I make a value judgement on. Just because it has more pages than the previous edition does not justify a price increase and nor does it validate charging £17.50 for a book. GW codexes have always been overpriced for what they are (arguably the same as the rest of GW products) - its just even more readily apparent now, and will be when 40k codexes switch to hardback and the price rises further. Again, if I were to go into a bookstore and consider purchasing two books, I would not expect a 500 page paperback to cost more that a 300 page one. If that were true then authors would be paid piecework per word written rather than on the quality of their output. Trying to argue a price rise is justified because the page count is increased is a non-argument.
If you think an increase in content does not plausibly, even possibly justify an increase in cost, then I honestly don't know what to say for your critical thinking skills.
EDIT: Actually I do, they suck
You are welcome to quit 40k forever and leave Dakka, though. I don't think you will like what 40k has in store if you are adverse to lowered model prices, increased model options, and increased codex content with exactly proportional price increases.
No I get to be the one to invite people to leave Dakka thank you.
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Yup, sums up my feelings. The rest look great, as expected, but that dreadknight is an eyesore.
I am impressed with the TAGK, as I expected to be. Looks like Ill have to work a box into the budget, along with that SC. The PAGK are quite nice as well, but since Im not gonna build an army, no need for them.
I think it just needs a head.
or
Any head, any head at all
Also if you really don't like the storm bolter clips, Zinge's ammo feeds may suit your needs (thats what I may do depending on how I feel when I get the kits) I presume his thread is still on the front page of News & Rumors.
Exposed legs were cool enough for Ripley in Aliens so they are more than cool enough for Warhammer.
It all looks cool to me but at $33 for 5 models I'm going to have to see the book and find out which stuff is the best and plan it all out before buying anything. In regards to the Inquisitor Retinues most of that stuff can be made out of a mash of fantasy and 40k plastic kits so I doubt we'll be seeing anything more than the random smattering of specialist metal models (like the monkey mechanic and what is already available).
Lord Scythican wrote:Man that dreadknight is awesome. I can't wait to loot it. Would make an excellent deff dread. I might even put a silly metal head ontop of it with a beard.
might be the only thing its good for xD but do post your conversions xD id love to see a ork beging carrier by one of these xD
I will do (already photoshopping one!)! I am notorious at my local gaming shop for desecrating whatever I get my hand on. I used a Valkyrie for a jetpack on my stompa for crying out loud.
Probably because the Justicar would have options for something else and there's special weapons troopers, who've traditionally carried their weapons two-handed.
The idea is probably 1 sergeant with sword, 3 dudes with halberds and 1 guy with a heavy weapon. They've never really designed their kits for min-maxing but for what looks cool and sounds like what they think a balanced squad should have.
Of course since these kits are being used for everything it shouldn't be too hard to get what you want when you multiple boxes unless you are only using one type in some sort of all Psycannon themed list.
malfred wrote:I just much prefer the naginata look to the swords, so when I saw
the preview pics with lots and lots of swords modeled, I panicked a
little bit.
I prefer the big 2 handers, so if it turns out to be a problem we can trade
Maybe if they released a pic of the dreadknight a day earlier while it was at carnival flashing its bewbs people would like it more. We all know from Maizinger that people love giant robots with boobie missiles. Just stick a barbie doll head on top and you've got a winner GW.
Almost certainly because there is only so much room on the frames...they've packed quite a few things on there, but obviously they've had to make cuts somewhere as adding an extra frame necessitates a higher cost for the box.
From the leaked codex it appears as though models in the unit can take either the sword or Halberd for the same cost so if GW was going to pick one over the other given that all the old metal Grey Knights already have the halberds, I think they probably decided to go with a complete saturation of the new weapon over the old.
Also, it looks like the Halberds on the Terminator sprue are also compatible, so if you buy a Terminator set and arm them with a different option besides the Halberds, then you'll have some left over for your standard squads as well.
I dont know about you guys, but I was really excited for this release and seeing these pictures are such a mood killer.
I was expecting things like running legs and alot more parchment.
The storm bolters + weapons just looks way to goofy.
I was expecting the grey knights to be a little bit like the new blood angel death company. Those are the best models ive ever seen.
Dont get me started on that dreadknight. Im all for something different, personally that just doesnt seem to "doomy" and more sort of "gundam wing" anime.
The terminators look absolutely fantastic, but its not enough.
Im not going to get back in with these models. Especially not for these australian price tags.
Again, I must be with the extreme minority here for I love this model.
I love it too. Of course all three that I'll buy will be heavily modified (armoured upper legs, encased torso hiding the pilot entirely, knight titan/mech head, more ornamentations probably mostly to the back, weapons mounted further on the arms so the fists are free to grab stuff, battle damage) but if it wasn't for this kit none if it would be easy to pull off. It's a large enough model to make for a stunning centerpiece or theme your army around, and the 4+ invulnerable save in the rules allows us to go wild with conversions/posing the model and not care about cover save problems.
The GK models look a lot better in the army shots than in the individual squad pictures. They are painted wrong/bad whatever way you want to put it, and that's the largest problem in them. The magazines are naturally awful and the heads look a bit strange from some points of view on the PAGK but like I said it's mostly just the colour scheme and paint job that's causing the problems. They'll look better in my Black/Bone/White colours
Grundz wrote:For the dreadknight: Why don't you guys just pick up an IG vehicle sprue and add the blocky tread-armor to the arms and legs to "square it up"
it should look sufficiently grimdark afterwards
Thats all well and good. Great conversion idea!
If only something like extra armour plates were included in the box...?
Grundz wrote:For the dreadknight: Why don't you guys just pick up an IG vehicle sprue and add the blocky tread-armor to the arms and legs to "square it up"
it should look sufficiently grimdark afterwards
Thats all well and good. Great conversion idea!
Well I have a ton of them from the admech army, I'll post up pics when I try it out.
really though my original plan was to use them to cover up my always sloppy cutting job when I change his pose
I wasn't impressed by the PDF of the Codex, they've turned them into Space Angels Doom Hammer Nemesis Marines. They're the same as any other Chapter now.
Except the cool Terminator models now look naff and everyone is going to jump on the bandwagon. Well, they were fun for a while.
I've been waiting for this release since November when I got back into the hobby to decide what kind of army I am going to start up.
I had a pretty "meh" reaction to most of it.
The termies are my favorite. Incredible amount of details and options. The legs are a little spindly, and the heads a little boxy, though. As for the rest of the release, I am not amazed but there is still some fine work there.
Now to decide if its going to be Deathwing or GK.............
The Termies are the only box i really liked, they are awesome, and the price is very nice... Imagine what is possible with some AoBR termies? Its my own impression, or they give us 13 arms on that kit? and 5 copies of each CCW? Really nice! But they dont win Space Wolves termies yet ^^
PAGK by other side... Its not the models in it, its just i dont imagine me using only 5 of those guys in any squad, and for that price 10 guys is a lot... Perhaps, it is still possible to make 15 PAGK from one PAGK box + regular marines (and some greenstuff). Additionally, those box really add new conversions to the hobby.
About the dreadknight... The model is nice, have a nice style, the legs seens a bit odd, need some "refinement" (i think it is to tall). I like "Combat Suits" a lot, specially this Matrix/Avatar variant. But it dont sound Emperium of Mankind at all, it dont look Adeptus Mechanicus, or Space Marines, or Grey Knights... GW made Stormraven a brick with wings to keep the "general design" of space marines, now they tottaly ignore general design, and realease a model that looks awesome, but dont look 40k.
The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Hey guys... Im a little disapointed...
The Termies are the only box i really liked, they are awesome, and the price is very nice... Imagine what is possible with some AoBR termies? Its my own impression, or they give us 13 arms on that kit? and 5 copies of each CCW? Really nice! But they dont win Space Wolves termies yet ^^
PAGK by other side... Its not the models in it, its just i dont imagine me using only 5 of those guys in any squad, and for that price 10 guys is a lot... Perhaps, it is still possible to make 15 PAGK from one PAGK box + regular marines (and some greenstuff). Additionally, those box really add new conversions to the hobby.
About the dreadknight... The model is nice, have a nice style, the legs seens a bit odd, need some "refinement" (i think it is to tall). I like "Combat Suits" a lot, specially this Matrix/Avatar variant. But it dont sound Emperium of Mankind at all, it dont look Adeptus Mechanicus, or Space Marines, or Grey Knights... GW made Stormraven a brick with wings to keep the "general design" of space marines, now they tottaly ignore general design, and realease a model that looks awesome, but dont look 40k.
PAGK are the same price they were before, and people bought and fielded large units of them, no real change. More expensive than 10 tactical marines, but also with a lot of conversion bits in them. I was impressed with the number of bits in both boxes.
Dreadknight I like for the fact that it isn't a marine in a box driving a robot. We have a dreadnaught already. The DK is a different approach, and I like the distinction between the two. But he needs banners. I'd do them at the waist, backbanner, and from the arms, like an older titan model.
Redemption wrote:Yeah, but hating Ward for everything and anything and wanting him to die in fires and such makes you popular on the internet, don't you know by know?
also requoting half screen pictures so you can post 3 words about it.
Not sure if it was posted here already, but some more rules tidbits and clarifications are hitting the interwebs:
BoLS wrote:
•Nemesis Force Sword: +1 to existing invulnerable saves.
•Nemesis Force Halberd: +2 initative.
•Nemesis Force Stave: Grants a 2+ invulnerable save versus close combat wounds.
•All NFWs have Daemonbane: ignoring eternal warrior for daemons and psykers.
•Brotherhood Banner: 25 points +1 attack to all models in the unit, and automatically pass force weapon pyschic tests.
•Psybolt Ammo: gives +1 Strength to Stormbolters,Hurricane bolters,Heavy bolters, Auto Cannons and Assault cannons. ~OUCH!!!
•Psycannon: S7 AP4 Assault 2, Heavy 4, Rending.
•Heavy Psycannon: S7 AP4 Large Blast, Rending.
•Heavy Incinerator: Operates like the Hellhound's Inferno cannon.
•Nemesis Greatsword: S:6 allowing rerolls to hit and wound.
•DK Daemonhammer: S:10 Thunderhammer.
•Psilencer: R:24" S:4 AP- Heavy 6 Gatling Psilencer has the same stats excepts it's Heavy 12. Psilencers always wounds Daemons on a roll of a 4+ unless the score required to wound would normally be less.
I agree with what HMBC said on page 15, pretty much completely.
I'm still a little out on the DK though. I think a lot of it is the pilot.
All the unhelmeted heads look like something out of a Monty Python skit set in Medieval Times. I love Monty, but I don't think using the Village Idiot as something to base a mini off of was a good idea. I'm waiting for Tim the Wizard to show up as an IC.
The clips, Oh God why, why do they look like that.
That being said, I will get at least 1 box of each PAGK/TGK to canalbalize for bits. I figure the TH/Staff/Apoth bits will end up costing as much as the boxes on places like The Warstore anyway.
Yeah, but hating Ward for everything and anything and wanting him to die in fires and such makes you popular on the internet, don't you know by know?
True, I should have known better. Only thing I am not pleased with rules wise is the ease with which the expensive GKs can be killed in shooting but that is just a matter of taste.
Otherwise I think Ward did a good job, I always wanted more fluff on the GKs, overall its great. Sure some of it is cheesy but then again what´s new.
Show me a codex with no ridiculous fluff or over exaggerated background in it.
Yeah, but hating Ward for everything and anything and wanting him to die in fires and such makes you popular on the internet, don't you know by know?
True, I should have known better. Only thing I am not pleased with rules wise is the ease with which the expensive GKs can be killed in shooting but that is just a matter of taste.
Otherwise I think Ward did a good job, I always wanted more fluff on the GKs, overall its great. Sure some of it is cheesy but then again what´s new.
Show me a codex with no ridiculous fluff or over exaggerated background in it.
I think that by removing the knees and thighs of the Dreadknight, and just attaching the torso to the shins (Cotton Hill-style), the model would look a lot better. It will still be taller than a dreadnought, and the proportions would fit in more with Imperial tech.
You know, I like the idea that GW finally made a model with as Aliens-Powerlifter-vibe, but Demon-hunting Super Elite Space Marines really have to be worst possible choice for a model like that. Why not something for Guard or Orks?
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Kanluwen wrote:There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.
It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.
You just have to think outside the box if you want to redeem it.
I was tempted to start a GK force, but the models just aren't doing 'it' for me.
However, I will be using the Codex as the basis of an excellent 'Counts As' army - can't wait to read more about the stuff we don't know enough about yet!
Yeah, the open-front Dreadknight looks good 'Orkified'... A very fitting extension of their whole interest in being the biggest. Making a ridiculously huge robot body fits perfectly. For the Grey Knights, this seems like far too much of an overlap with the common Dreadnought, but worse due to being open-faced.
Thanks! I can't wait to get one. My local game shop is going to think I am starting Grey Knights. This is going to be Hilarious. Now if I could only find out a way to strap the Looted Dread Knight to one of my stompas "Hangover" style.
YES! He will be mine and I will name him Ghazzy. Just need to add a pirate hat. He'll go great with my Stormraven Warkopta!
The PAGK are silly looking to me. Their chicken legs are spread too wide, shoulderpads too big, eyes and head too big. Its like they are caricatures of SM. I wonder if the odd proportions are another manifestation of photography fail? If so, they need to stop with the office admins taking the photos and have someone actually LOOK at the picture to see if it accurately reflects the subject before releasing....
The nice part... they're so generic that a squad can easily be filled out with normal SM painted silver. FW has an Inquisitorial etched brass, right? And who doesn't have a boatload of extra purity seals? There you go, random bling + AoBR marines = PAGK.
Anung Un Rama wrote:You know, I like the idea that GW finally made a model with as Aliens-Powerlifter-vibe, but Demon-hunting Super Elite Space Marines really have to be worst possible choice for a model like that. Why not something for Guard or Orks?
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Kanluwen wrote:There is nothing about the Dreadknight that is redeemable.
It is a terrible idea, terrible execution, and Matt Ward should be fired for this alone.
You just have to think outside the box if you want to redeem it.
I'm SO gonna get one now!
Wait, how, what eh?
I am confused, someone has already got one, converted AND painted?
tldr wrote:Is everyone in shock about the Dreadknight? Are we just not getting the right angle like we did the stormraven? What in the world provoked GW to make both so disliked by all?
From what I have seen so far, I think it's time for me to retire from playing Grey Knights.
Ixquic wrote:Honestly the Dreadknight doesn't look nearly as bad as people are making out and I think it's just an echo chamber effect.
I don't know, I saw the N&R thread that just had the new photos and just shook my head. I couldn't stop hearing Xzibit yelling "Yo dawg! Heard you like GK terminators and exoskeletons..."
i like the models for the most part. The only model i am not totally thrilled with is Draigo. I forget who said it earlier, but I have to agree...there is nothing about that model that makes me think awesome Chapter Master. I don't dislike the model per se, just not as a Chapter Master.
I do like the Dread Knight as it is outside the box for what GW usually does...especially for Space Marines. I do agree that if the legs were covered, it would look a little better...but i assume I will get 2 in the long run.
Love the troop choice, and I really like how the henchmen squads can be built the way I always wanted to. (Archo-Flag's in a Grey Knight list without having to use the Witch Hunter crossover rules...yeah!)
Someone needs to tell the GW web team or customer service that there is no price on the US GW website for the Dreadknight, making it impossible to order it.
BrassScorpion wrote:Someone needs to tell the GW web team or customer service that there is no price on the US GW website for the Dreadknight, making it impossible to order it.
Indeed. It's the only thing holding me back from ordering.
YES! He will be mine and I will name him Ghazzy. Just need to add a pirate hat.
And Ghazzy he shall be named!
@Platuan4th: Nice! I am still chuckling.
@NoBaconz4You: I am glad you thought it was real at first. I worked pretty hard on that photoshop. Don't worry, I will have it looted as soon as I get my hands on one.
BrassScorpion wrote:Someone needs to tell the GW web team or customer service that there is no price on the US GW website for the Dreadknight, making it impossible to order it.
Actually they should be paying us to take the thing off their hands.
GW is claiming all the Terminator and PAGK bits are compatable with the Tac squad and vanilla terminator boxs.
That's awesome news because I have stockpiles of "regular" Space Marines and Terminators I've snagged at good prices over the past few years. If I can bulk out the GK army using those it should keep my cost down considerably. Compatibility is one of the best features of a lot of the newer kits.
I think you are all are having a wack attack the Dreadknight looks Great IMHO. It's bit from Aliens ya know Ripley in the loader.I think it's freaking cool and you know that they will sell a ton of these so get used to seeing them.
YES! He will be mine and I will name him Ghazzy. Just need to add a pirate hat.
So the Dreadknight is better now when instead of the Grey Knight you have a green Space Gorilla with a head the size of an oil barrel and atrophied legs strapped in the baby carriage? Or was it the two armor planks you are going to superglue on top of the shoulders? If only GW could've thought of that.
Damn, people always seem to want to find reasons to not like something. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
As far as I'm concerned all of it is fething awesome and full of extra bits to convert other (Marine) stuff with. This will be an expensive (though long anticipated) release for me.
YES! He will be mine and I will name him Ghazzy. Just need to add a pirate hat.
So the Dreadknight is better now when instead of the Grey Knight you have a green Space Gorilla with a head the size of an oil barrel and atrophied legs strapped in the baby carriage? Or was it the two armor planks you are going to superglue on top of the shoulders? If only GW could've thought of that.
Oh yeah much better. Though I would like to think the official conversion will have more than a couple armour planks on the shoulders. They are called Mock ups for a reason.
Draigo looks awesome (and world weary, as if he has been walking for far too long).
I like the look of the dreadknight. Even the hammer makes it look more like a warhammer sized than the two handed hammer size that we normally see for TH.
I'm excited about the release. Have to pick up an army when everyone gets bored of them and sells off.
TBD wrote:Damn, people always seem to want to find reasons to not like something. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
The insanity of its rules almost ensures that I will buy it.
As far as I'm concerned all of it is fething awesome and full of extra bits to convert other (Marine) stuff with. This will be an expensive (though long anticipated) release for me.
I do absolutely hate the aesthetic, though. The blobular 'baby pouch' enclosing the pilot's legs give what is otherwise an angular and spindly walker an organic bulge mid-section, furthering the 'baby pouch' look.
I simply don't understand why they couldn't give it a more Dreadnought-esque head/torso. Because it would look like a Dreadnought? So what? 40k is built off of that sort of standardization. Land Raiders look like big, up-gunned rhinos--and nobody complains about it.
and so this is the result of waiting. Extremely good models, I love them except for the stupid tesla coil backpacks and the HORRIBLE Dreadknight.
Are they joking ? What in the world is that thing ? What did they had in their mind ? It's HORRIBLE. As are horrible the tesla coil antennas on the backpacks and the silliness of 5 tactical marines for € 26,00. What are they thinking , that 118 pieces are enough to make me pay for all of that ?
They are just a bunch of fools IMHO. I'm greatly dissapointed, I knew GW was making bad decisions but this is ... too much.
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and don't get me wrong. I like the models but these are not WH40K oriented.. if it was a normal Sci-Fi they would be great.
Personally, I am ok with the look of all of the releases. Maily the termies. But I had no desire to start up another army before this release and also after. However it can be noted that I am ready pondering a conversion using the Dreadknight into a soul grinder.
Maybe I am just too used to looking at the SM in DoW2, but man, those heads on the PAGK just look too big. I definitely like my metal models better.
I do like the terms though, although their heads seem slightly larger as well... and their legs are too skinny. Why did they make the PAGK and TAGK legs so skinny, I don't get it, they need to be massive and powerful. Its weird how the art in the codecies and the models diverge so much in terms of proportion... I wish the modelers/sculptors would keep it closer.
Disappointing. The Dreadknight doesn't look Imperial to me, and the price of the GK power armored models is kind of ridiculous. I know that we don't have much love for price bitching, but I'm trying to sell a friend of mine on starting a GK force (he's been interested in such for about a year now). Those prices will completely upend his interest...with good reason.
Having receicved the newsletter today I thought the walker was the best thing.
I love some of the helms but overall was disappointed. The GK's weedy thighs look naff. Moar tabards required imho especially to cover the pathetic looking legs. GK fall over due to CG issues. Is this reflected in the rules if WYSIWYG applies?
Oh yeah much better. Though I would like to think the official conversion will have more than a couple armour planks on the shoulders.
It's funny how Ork players always mistake kitbashing for actual converting.
So what would call a Dread Knight that has been looted it with plasticard, green stuff, and ork bitz into a counts as Deff Dread? Is a baneblade done up the same way not a skullhamma conversion?
So I don't know if this was stated before, but do we know which one of the gun things is the Psycannon and which one is the Psilencer?
Also, I don't have a lot of time, but here's my take:
PAGK - Lovely, and still keep the feel of the older generations of Grey Knights. Perhaps a bit better with the sleeker new look.
GKT - Awesome, though I'll probably cut off the SB drum mags and jury rig some belt feeds to somewhere. Also... my obsessive love for terminators will make me buy some of these even if I don't end up playing GK.
Dreadknight - It's okay. I can see what they were going for looks-wise, but I'm not sure if I agree with the direction. I'd probably go for something a little more along Knight Titan lines (but smaller)... maybe some sort of psychically controlled automaton like what was described in A Thousand Sons.
Mat Ward says: The Nemesis Dreadknight is an intimidating foe. It can go toe-to-toe with pretty much any monstrous creature in the game, and wades through lesser enemies with ease. It's also the Grey Knights' best option for serious fire support, with options for heavy psycannon, gatling psilencer and heavy incinerator - just the thing to thin the enemy horde from a distance. Whatever your style of generalship, the Nemesis Dreadknight brings plenty to the fight!
Apart from the knight with the baby grey Knight papoose.
I hereby rename it the POWER PAPOOSE!!!
Hopefully the dumb harness/knight will be sepperate, also i despise those dumb Matrix revolution pistons on the top, they look awful. The legs however are FANTASTIC!
KOS wrote:I love them except for the stupid tesla coil backpacks and the HORRIBLE Dreadknight.
The coil backpacks are optional. If you don't want them (I don't want those either) just put the regular ones on the models or remove the coils (should take about 30 seconds for the five of them). I understand the complaints about five for 26,- (Euro), but that is the same price as jump pack squads, and people buy those in droves too without much bitching about it.
And the Dreadknight, Idk, it's definitely not my favourite ever, but it also is not as horrible as some make it out to be. It's a lot better at least than I feared when we only had the blurry images.
Therion wrote:So the Dreadknight is better now when instead of the Grey Knight you have a green Space Gorilla with a head the size of an oil barrel and atrophied legs strapped in the baby carriage?
Apart from the knight with the baby grey Knight papoose.
I hereby rename it the POWER PAPOOSE!!!
Hopefully the dumb harness/knight will be sepperate, also i despise those dumb Matrix revolution pistons on the top, they look awful. The legs however are FANTASTIC!
I just looked over the sprues and it looks like the grey knight is made of separate pieces.
Oh yeah much better. Though I would like to think the official conversion will have more than a couple armour planks on the shoulders.
It's funny how Ork players always mistake kitbashing for actual converting.
So what would call a Dread Knight that has been looted it with plasticard, green stuff, and ork bitz into a counts as Deff Dread? Is a baneblade done up the same way not a skullhamma conversion?
Well, in IA*, there is an extra-big dread called a mega deff dread. The Dread Knight would make a good conversion base for it, and at half the price of the forge world model.
Oh yeah much better. Though I would like to think the official conversion will have more than a couple armour planks on the shoulders.
It's funny how Ork players always mistake kitbashing for actual converting.
So what would call a Dread Knight that has been looted it with plasticard, green stuff, and ork bitz into a counts as Deff Dread? Is a baneblade done up the same way not a skullhamma conversion?
Well, in IA*, there is an extra-big dread called a mega deff dread. The Dread Knight would make a good conversion base for it, and at half the price of the forge world model.
That's what I thought as well, but Therion seems to think it wouldn't be a conversion and that I have had my terminology wrong for a while now.
-PAGK: I actually like these better than the Terminators (it's probably the white helmets of the Incinerators that do it for me), the Storm Bolters don't bother me too much, but I guess that's me.
-Terminators look great, especially some of the poses that have them striding forward and looking menacing. In a similar vein, Draigo isn't so bad but there's no way I'm fielding him with that bare head (if at all). That shield is pretty ace, but again it's my opinion.
Also about the prices. Draigo seems pretty on par with some more recent prices. I think Meganobz are about the same price. What I don't get is how come the space wolves troop back has twice as many pieces as the PAGK for only a few dollars more.
Therion wrote:
So the Dreadknight is better now when instead of the Grey Knight you have a green Space Gorilla with a head the size of an oil barrel and atrophied legs strapped in the baby carriage?
Ixquic wrote:I was hating Matt Ward before it was cool.
Honestly the Dreadknight doesn't look nearly as bad as people are making out and I think it's just an echo chamber effect.
it's still not cool no matter how much a certain poster whines. either way, this set is definitely a mixed bag leaning a bit to "pro" for those who want to do a standard GK force (my planned one was really wierd and the sets don't help me much unfortunately).
GK squad: pros: lots of weapon options, nice that you get 4 "special" weapons in the set, good detail, justicar (minus the braveheart head) looks awesome cons: redesigned fire extinguisher psycannon looks goofy, side clips on stormbolters are too clunky (but luckily from the sprue pics are detachable/optional), $$, only a 5 man set, and while the weapon selection is good there isn't enough to fit out the squad with all spears which i think people were hoping for.. and most importantly, they apparently use the bunny ears from my childhood black and white 12" TV in 1986 for teleportation. i could barely get a clear signal for channels but they can hope through the warp with them. i would have preferred a chunkier addon to the backpack instead.
GK termies: pros: lots of close combat weapon options, good detail, nice extras like the command squad-esque stuff cons: clips on bolters, goofy psycannon again
Draigo: pros: solid detailed model, nice look cons: $$ all in all i'd still prefer to use my Inquisitor Rex model instead as a stand in rather than spend the money for him.. not really a comment on him being bad but rather a comment on my like for the rex model instead.
Dreadknight: pros: large model, nice detail and pieces, ranged weapons look nice and a bit more like the old style than the newer ones on the infantry cons: looks better looted than the intended purpose, apparently beat up ALL the dreadnoughts across the imperium and stole their thighs to selfishly extend his own legs.
Given that we can take Terminators as troops now, I bet the PAGK boxsets wont sell well. Half the content of the comparable SW boxset with twice the proportionate cost. Plus, who doesn't love 2 wound terminators AS TROOPS!? XD
*goes and buys 3 boxes of termies*
The Dreadknight though, is kinda comical due to how it looks like an upsized terminator.
according to the rumors from the leaked codex, they're all in the GK book now. you've got special and generic versions of all three =I= ordos in there so making the figs a part of their webstore makes sense.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Given that we can take Terminators as troops now, I bet the PAGK boxsets wont sell well. Half the content of the comparable SW boxset with twice the proportionate cost. Plus, who doesn't love 2 wound terminators AS TROOPS!? XD
*goes and buys 3 boxes of termies*
The Dreadknight though, is kinda comical due to how it looks like an upsized terminator.
the 2 wound termies are elite paladins, the troop termies are the same as everyone elses (except being psykers)
i don't want to sound like a fanboy but whats with the semi hate towards the new gk stuff.the troops are well done and in my opinion the dread knight looks cool,kind of a penitent engine on steroids.im not a grey knight collector myself and i can't understand why folk are moaning that noobs will be all over them etc.the new plastic kits will be converted by some of the cool people on dakka and we will see some cool takes on the grey knights.
shingouki wrote:i don't want to sound like a fanboy but whats with the semi hate towards the new gk stuff.the troops are well done and in my opinion the dread knight looks cool,kind of a penitent engine on steroids.im not a grey knight collector myself and i can't understand why folk are moaning that noobs will be all over them etc.the new plastic kits will be converted by some of the cool people on dakka and we will see some cool takes on the grey knights.
Trust me on this. I've been called one of the biggest GW apologists and told that I'm "blinded by faith in the company".
The Dreadknight is an utter and complete work of crap. It does not fit with the Imperial aesthetic, nor does the Penitent Engine for that matter. They're half-assed attempts at creating something 'unique'--and all it pulls out is 'crap'.
There's some nice details on these but for the umpteenth time they've sodded it up with the paint job. Every time I see a new GW army they seem to have got someone to paint it exactly wrong. I know painting metal with blue is a vaguely good idea because back in the 80s there was a lot of blueish metal but that was chrome and chrome armour would be a fething crime. So many times I see the "eavy metal" (sorry I hate the current team's direction and cant equate it with the previous teams) painted versions and then go to my local GW to see how someone with a clue would paint it. Case in point was the giant spider, loads of pics of ones painted for independent stores and they look much better than the in house version. I wouldn't mind it if they painted to a lower standard so us mere mortals could emulate them but this seems all technique and no soul. I kook forward to seeing a dirty paint job on the walker and a better pose.
I might be tempted with these if they remain a small elite force.
Kanluwen wrote:The Dreadknight is an utter and complete work of crap. It does not fit with the Imperial aesthetic, nor does the Penitent Engine for that matter. They're half-assed attempts at creating something 'unique'--and all it pulls out is 'crap'.
Methink you doth protest too much.
IMHO, I like it. Sometimes, the IoM moves forward. In their initial blurb on the site, they say that GK get all of the best tech that no one else gets. Someone on Mars is actually developing new tech, which for me is pretty exciting.
I'm surprised that no one freaked out over the fact that NWS are only 2++ in close combat. I know folks were saying they were OTT before.
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How long before that pricing filters its way down to Vanilla Marines.
Wait what? Who posted a pic of a matrix/ anime bastard in a 
