MrH wrote:Pro tip: Not everyone in this world is American.
I provided sources. I don't see the price difference, and I showed why.
If, in fact, there is a price difference as you claim, perhaps you could provide your own sources? Otherise I'll assume it's merely your perception, and not actually truth
You have a very condescending posting style, it's annoying.
As you need to be taken down a peg or two, here you go:
Indeed. Instead of posting something that actually supported what you said, you instead instantly delivered an ad hominem against my nationality.
Now, if you're quite done being openly displaying your prejudices, shall we get back to Space Marine?
THQSledgehammer's quote on the Demo, formatted by me for ease of reading.
THQSledgehammer wrote:Attention Honour Guard: Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine Demo is headed to PC, Xbox 360 & PS3! The demo is planned to launch simultaneously for the Xbox 360 and Windows PC on August 23rd and then on PS3 on August 24th!
The Space Marine demo features two very different areas of the game. The first pits the player against an Ork horde outside the gates of a munitions factory. Armed with six devastating weapons, including the iconic bolter and lethal chainsword, the player will get to experience Space Marine’s seamless mix of melee and ranged combat first hand as they take on the rampaging invaders. The second area gives players a taste of the exhilarating Jump Pack sequences where the game’s hero—Captain Titus—takes to the skies to rain death from above.
The demo is planned to launch simultaneously for the Xbox 360®video game and entertainment system from Microsoft and Windows PC on 23rd August and then on PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system on 24th August.
Players who have pre-ordered the digital PC version of Space Marine through Steam will receive an exclusive early access period starting on the 18th of August, running through the weekend. Steam will also be running a Warhammer 40,000 bundle sale at a very special rate during the same period. Check out STEAM for more details.
Space Marine ‘Honour Guard’ community members will also get the chance to play the demo early on August 22nd, 24 hours prior to the public launch. For more information on how to sign up to get the demo visit http://www.spacemarine.com/user/register if your not alreay registered with the Honour Guard.
Space Marine Demo FAQ:
Q.) If I already Pre-ordered Space Marine from Steam will I be able to get early access? A.) Yes
Q.) When will the PC Demo unlock on Steam? A.) August 18th at roughly 10:01AM for customers who pre-ordered, August 22nd for users who are members of the Honour Guard & on August 23rd for the mass public.
Q.) Will the Demo be singleplayer only? A.) Yes
Q.) Is the only way to gain access to the PC demo through Steam? A.) Yes
Q.) If I signed up for the Honour Guard how do I gain access to the PC demo early? A.) We will have a demo registration page where you will be able to obtain your early access code.
I think the Q&A was edited in later on, as that's newer to me.
THQSledgehammer wrote:The Demo should release globally on all platforms. The early access is for PC only and will open to users who pre-ordered first and then to members of the Honour Guard.
Access to the PC Demo will be thru Steam, We will have a landing page that will tie to your Honour Guard account here on SpaceMarine.com and you will recieve a code that can be redeemed. The page will go live on the 22nd when the exclusive is available for PC users.
Melissia wrote:Indeed. Instead of posting something that actually supported what you said, you instead instantly delivered an ad hominem against my nationality.
Now, if you're quite done being openly displaying your prejudices, shall we get back to Space Marine?
You're an argumentative, know it all. If pointing out your ignorance makes me racist, then fine. It's not like my flag isn't shown, a normal person would have thought "Oh he's not from America, maybe the pricing system is different over there", instead you basically call me a liar and tell me I'm dreaming with your condescending use of italics thrown in for good measure. So far you've called me racist and prejudice without reason, what next? Am I homophobic? A member of the KKK? It seems you just randomly blurt out whatever you feel like so please, at least get creative!
This thread is not veering off-topic but it is getting rather unpleasant. I would encourage everyone to take a moment away from the computer and come back to this thread, if at all, with a greater degree of civility. Thanks!
Thank you Daedalus for keeping the tread on track (Is this not the second time this tread began to derail?). Also,while I am that there is not a multiplayer demo to try out the customization, I am still filled with joy that we even got a demo.
That's how Space Marines should always be represented (not on table-top of course). Nigh invincible Gods of battle. Their flaws are psychological and not physical. Physically, they're perfect.
Melissia wrote:Yes, it should be available soon to Steam preorders. 22nd for SpaceMarine forum members, 23rd for everyone else.
Just to clarify, the day early access to the demo for forum members is only for the PC version. XBOX and PS3 demos don't have early access for forum members.
Melissia wrote:Mind if I share taht with the people on the space marine forum?
Sure, feel free. I'm on the forums there but mainly a lurker so I don't know what requirements they have for avatars. I know dakka's was 120x120 max resolution with 100k max file size so I tweaked it to fit those parameters.
MrH wrote:I thought the controls were fine with keyboard/mouse, no problems at all.
As did I, after I remapped stun to mouse4 (thumb button).
I did the exact same thing.
As for performance, yeah it's pretty good most of the time, a few dips here and there though which shouldn't be happening. I ran some benchmarks on the jump pack level and here are the results:
I just played throw the smurf demo and I'm not too impressed.
1. While the game runs nicely map layout is completely boxed and you never atually get to see larger areas or view distances.
2. Art style is crap. Grey, brown and more grey isn't very interesting. The second nob encounter happens in low lit corridor tinting the entire scene blueish grey. This isn't any better when you have to look indusrial scenery all the time.
3. no aa with low resolution textures
4. Menus, cutscenes and hud is messed up. I get this really anoying streching.
5. orks don't sound like orks. I also found sounds generally unsatisfying.
So I just finished both levels on the PS3 demo and it's pretty good for a console game, the frame rate was fairly smooth most of the time. I really, really didn't like using the jet pack with a controller though, it felt really cumbersome.
I just played the demo on my PS3, I'm really not that impressed either. To be fair, I figured the game would be 'meh' for a while now, actually playing it confirmed it. The controls are somewhat clunky, gameplay is definitely a hack and slash button masher, and the orks don't sound like orks at all (to the extent that it took me a good 5-10 mins to realize that the voices I were hearing WERE orks and not marines...). Might pick it up down the line, but its not going to be a must have for me anymore.
chaos0xomega wrote:(to the extent that it took me a good 5-10 mins to realize that the voices I were hearing WERE orks and not marines...)
What.
I mean, I understand the complaints about the Ork voices needing to be Orkier, but that's just ridiculous. How the hell can you confuse the voices for the Space Marine voices? They sound NOTHING alike!
chaos0xomega wrote:(to the extent that it took me a good 5-10 mins to realize that the voices I were hearing WERE orks and not marines...)
What.
I mean, I understand the complaints about the Ork voices needing to be Orkier, but that's just ridiculous. How the hell can you confuse the voices for the Space Marine voices? They sound NOTHING alike!
They do to the extent that they both sound like humans with English accents (when they speak, when they grunt it sound proper Orky), and that they both utilize correct grammar and proper pronunciation. Besides that, last I checked, not everyone sounds the same...
chaos0xomega wrote:and that they both utilize correct grammar and proper pronunciation.
... nnnoooo, the Orks don't. They clearly say "'umies" for example, and their "correct grammar" is only correct because it's small blurbs and combat chatter like "KILL DEM SPESS MUHREENS!".
And you hear all three Marines' voices. They don't sound like the Orks at all.
Still... At least some of the Orks should be more guttural. Would it really have been so difficult for them to have run the Ork voice files through an audio filter to lower their pitch an octave?
Two things I've learned from Dr. Who and Xbox Live is that people from the UK can have vastly different accents despite the small size of the island nation and that apparently there is something wrong with Cardiff (although the doctor wasn't specific about what exactly). It's perfectly fine to have both Orks and Space Marines both have English accents as they can be easily distinguished if chosen correctly. From the limited speech in the trailers and various playthrough videos of the demo, I don't see any problem with telling the two apart in practice as well as theory. If anything, I find the DOW ork voices particularly abrasive and annoying as I'm finally playing through that series (I know... I'm behind the times regarding 40kPC games...)
Melissia wrote: I don't disagree. Just saying it's pretty easy to tell Orks from Marines.
Yeah, its easy. The Orks are proper full on cockney and the Space Marines speak posh English. I dont think of that as an English accent though, because really posh rich people speak like the Queen no matter where they are from, be it Australia, USA or Canada!
Pretty easy to tell apart, but the Orks could be a bit more guttural cockney, like the Orks on the DOW games.
I liked these guys! Its the same cockney accent, but they sound a tad more Orky.
So, I've played through the demo on PS3 several times, and I have to say I think it's pretty awesome. Switching from CC to shooting was pretty streamilned...The first time I used the jump pack I wasn't a big fan, but once I got used to it, I really liked it. Fighting Nobs was pretty tough, especially when there are 5-10 Boyz trying to smack you with their Choppas. I found the NPC's were pretty dumb, but sometimes provides a distraction. I'll also agree that the Orks in general didn't sound Orky enough, but it's not a big deal...I also liked the inclusion of the Servo Skulls with the audio tracks (I love little side missions like that). The IG flashlights made me chuckle too
tl;dr - I loved errthang other than the friendly NPC's and the Ork voices. I can't wait for MOAR!
daedalus-templarius wrote:It takes those IGs that ride the elevator up SOO many shots to kill just one ork, pretty hilarious. Sound effect seems just right for Lasguns too.
Exactly! I just remember saying "WTF are those red things???" and that's when I realized the IG showed up...I actually stunned a Choppa Boy and just watched at they shot at it...doing nothing LOL
I actually like the sound effects from all the guns, especially the Stalker Pattern Bolter
Played it through. So far it's a 'meh' game. Boxy levels with drab art, everything is brown, there are invisible walls (as I found out with the jump pack), there's no finesse to melee... and the bolter felt really hollow.
And yeah, the Orks don't sound like Orks. I noticed that as I was playing through. There was a point where I said "Oh... that's an Ork speaking? I thought it was my squad mate."
It all feels very stale, and other than the big clunky noises you make as you run around and the satisfying kick of the Stalker there's not much here that I can truly like.
I'll borrow the full game off a friend who buys it.
Its on a forge world, if they made it bright and colorful, that wouldn't really be keeping with the IP would it? I suppose they didn't need to set it on a forgeworld though.
I think the melee has a lot of finesse, as long as you're playing on hard. You really have to be careful when you pull executions, and proper stun timing. Normal and easy you can just lulz through tho.
Well, I wasn't saying military shooter, but look at the tilesets in DoW2.
I mean, they could have potentially set Space Marine in any of those places that they have in DoW2 already. Maybe Space Marine 2, you'll have a ship and get to travel between worlds. I'd love to have a droppod assault and see/hear what it was like from the inside
I recorded myself playing the demo if anyone wants to watch it, I mainly just wanted to test the settings in case I want to make some multiplayer videos in the future.
daedalus-templarius wrote:Geez H, tell us how you really feel.
Its on a forge world, if they made it bright and colorful, that wouldn't really be keeping with the IP would it? I suppose they didn't need to set it on a forgeworld though.
I think the melee has a lot of finesse, as long as you're playing on hard. You really have to be careful when you pull executions, and proper stun timing. Normal and easy you can just lulz through tho.
It's STILL more colorful than most FPS games these days.
Anoi wrote:how cool would it be if one of the pauldron choices you had was an angry marine one
I suspect the PC version will eventually get an angry marines mod or texture after release. Console users will probably not get those types of options.
The demo was fun, but I hope there will be more different kinds of enemies. The game kind of reminded me of left 4 dead 2 to be honest lol. Also your team mate's AI SUCKS.
GalacticDefender wrote:The demo was fun, but I hope there will be more different kinds of enemies. The game kind of reminded me of left 4 dead 2 to be honest lol. Also your team mate's AI SUCKS.
How so? Yeah, the survivor AI in L4D 1 and 2 can be best summed up as idiot savants. They're stupid enough to try to heal you when you're at 75+ health but smart enough to one-shot-kill you when you're a special infected 40 feet away hiding in the bushes.
GalacticDefender wrote:The demo was fun, but I hope there will be more different kinds of enemies. The game kind of reminded me of left 4 dead 2 to be honest lol. Also your team mate's AI SUCKS.
How so? Yeah, the survivor AI in L4D 1 and 2 can be best summed up as idiot savants. They're stupid enough to try to heal you when you're at 75+ health but smart enough to one-shot-kill you when you're a special infected 40 feet away hiding in the bushes.
No, I meant it reminded me of L4d2 because of the waves of dumb enemies. The l4d AI actually help you. Half the time the space marines would just stand around and fire off one or two shots. I'll probably get this game anyway though, multiplayer looks fun, and the campaign does too.
Finally got around to pre-ordering, I went with THQ direct even though they're more expensive as I want the Power Sword, plus you get your download link at 00:00 so you can download and play a little early.
I really wish the PC version had dedicated servers though as I'm very much a MP gamer.
MrH wrote:Finally got around to pre-ordering, I went with THQ direct even though they're more expensive as I want the Power Sword, plus you get your download link at 00:00 so you can download and play a little early.
I really wish the PC version had dedicated servers though as I'm very much a MP gamer.
So, if the multiplayer is still really good even though it will be P2P, are you still going to complain?
MrH wrote:Finally got around to pre-ordering, I went with THQ direct even though they're more expensive as I want the Power Sword, plus you get your download link at 00:00 so you can download and play a little early.
I really wish the PC version had dedicated servers though as I'm very much a MP gamer.
So, if the multiplayer is still really good even though it will be P2P, are you still going to complain?
Did you just use the words "good" and "P2P" in the same sentence?
If you consider playing with a 200+ ping, host advantage and regular disconnects as "fine" then no wonder you're happy. Personally I prefer to play with 20ms on a dedicated server that's not hosted on some kids ADSL connection while he downloads porn in the background causing lag spikes every 2 minutes.
MrH wrote:If you consider playing with a 200+ ping, host advantage and regular disconnects as "fine" then no wonder you're happy. Personally I prefer to play with 20ms on a dedicated server that's not hosted on some kids ADSL connection while he downloads porn in the background causing lag spikes every 2 minutes.
I almost never get that experience and I've been an exclusive console gamer for the past 6 years. If you've got a day off and try to play in the morning in the US, you're likely to get connected to a European host with some lag (not due to the crappiness of the connection necessarily but just the georgraphical distances involved) and I'm sure the reverse is possible for you late at night (evening for the US). The only connections that are unplayable for me are hosts in Asia or Australia/NZ as those distances are just too far (the same would be true in the PC setting for this). Most multiplayer console games either have an indicator next to the host's name/game that shows you the strength of the connection or automatically choose the best host for the majority of the people joined. The systems aren't perfect but they do work 90%+ of the time, which is acceptable to me. In the average multiplayer shooter evening session of several hours on the xbox, I might run into a noticeably laggy game once or twice max and they usually aren't as bad as what you're describing (those are once or twice a week).
MrH wrote:If you consider playing with a 200+ ping, host advantage and regular disconnects as "fine" then no wonder you're happy. Personally I prefer to play with 20ms on a dedicated server that's not hosted on some kids ADSL connection while he downloads porn in the background causing lag spikes every 2 minutes.
I almost never get that experience and I've been an exclusive console gamer for the past 6 years. If you've got a day off and try to play in the morning in the US, you're likely to get connected to a European host with some lag (not due to the crappiness of the connection necessarily but just the georgraphical distances involved) and I'm sure the reverse is possible for you late at night (evening for the US). The only connections that are unplayable for me are hosts in Asia or Australia/NZ as those distances are just too far (the same would be true in the PC setting for this). Most multiplayer console games either have an indicator next to the host's name/game that shows you the strength of the connection or automatically choose the best host for the majority of the people joined. The systems aren't perfect but they do work 90%+ of the time, which is acceptable to me. In the average multiplayer shooter evening session of several hours on the xbox, I might run into a noticeably laggy game once or twice max and they usually aren't as bad as what you're describing (those are once or twice a week).
If I remember right a full set of green bars just means you have under 200 ping, which is still extremely high. Games like CoD do a pretty good job of "masking" the lag, but you can't deny host advantage, if a good player gets host it's all over for the other team. Another great advantage of dedicated servers is community, when I played WaW I had maybe 5? servers on my favourites list that were always populated and always had at least one admin on the server keeping things clean and tidy, it's nice knowing all the regulars whereas with P2P you just get plopped wherever and you have no say in the matter.
Either way, the PC standard is dedicated servers, it would be like if McDonald's started serving their burgers without buns.
I've given up all hope, it's pretty obvious it will be P2P otherwise they would have said so, they're just hiding the fact as they know it will upset the PC community.
MW2 is a prime example of why you don't have P2P servers on PC, that gak was brutal. Nearly every game had severe rubber banding which made it impossible to play.
That is indeed one of the biggest issues. Back when MW2 was new I had a top of the line PC with a 24mb/1.4mb connection, which was and still is better than most, considering the average upload sync is like 0.5mb or less. Yet I would be passed over as host and everyone would lag to hell and back. Whenever I got host everyone said it was brilliant, but even my connection isn't enough to host a perfect 8v8, but the big difference between my connection and most peoples is it's stable, so there's no rubber banding or "noticeable" lag. Fast doesn't mean stable, and stable is more important once you reach a certain upload speed, so even if the game picks the guy with the most upload speed it doesn't guarantee the best performance.
Maybe in 10 - 20 years P2P will be viable when everyone is on 100/100 fibre connections like the Swedes, but most people are still rocking copper in the UK and it's just not good enough.
MrH wrote:Finally got around to pre-ordering, I went with THQ direct even though they're more expensive as I want the Power Sword, plus you get your download link at 00:00 so you can download and play a little early.
I really wish the PC version had dedicated servers though as I'm very much a MP gamer.
What exactly are dedicated servers? Also, will the multiplayer be run though STEAM?
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daedalus-templarius wrote:
MrH wrote:Finally got around to pre-ordering, I went with THQ direct even though they're more expensive as I want the Power Sword, plus you get your download link at 00:00 so you can download and play a little early.
I really wish the PC version had dedicated servers though as I'm very much a MP gamer.
So, if the multiplayer is still really good even though it will be P2P, are you still going to complain?
GalacticDefender wrote:What exactly are dedicated servers? Also, will the multiplayer be run though STEAM?
WTF the multiplayer is pay to play??????????
While I'd assume the MP will be run through steam if you buy it there (I believe thats a general rule they have), I don't know about other sources of the PC running through steam or not. As for dedicated servers, its when the "host" is a company's server. When you're playing p2p (peer to peer), some normal guy/girl with their home connection and computer is "hosting" the game. The fear is that his/her connection is spotty or the computer isn't fast enough to communicate well with all the people who join.
As for the last part, all multiplayer is pay to play since you're supposed to buy the game first. They don't have a special charge for multiplayer separate from the purchase of a new copy of the game. If you buy a used copy, there might be a special surcharge to access multiplayer as publishers have been doing that to make some money directly on used game purchases.
P2P in this situation means peer to peer, not pay to play.
Peer to Peer hosting is where one player is the host for all the other players in the game. Dedicated servers are where there is a... you guessed it... dedicated server which hosts the game.
The "elite pass" THQ does is best shown in how it effected Homefront on consoles (it had no effect on PC gamers). If you bought Homefront new, you had access to the entire game as your CD key is tied to your account on PSN or XBL. If you rented or bought used, you had access to all the single player and the multiplayer up to level five or ten (forgot which), at which point you'd stop leveling up, but you'd still have full access to multiplayer. You'd just not gain any XP beyond level ten.
GalacticDefender wrote:What about that Elite pass crap?
The elite pass is pretty much a way for a company to screw more money out of people. If me and my bro bought one copy of a game that requires a pass for online play then one of use would either need to buy another copy of the game(since my bro doesnt stay with me) or spend say £5-8(i dont know exact price) just to be able to play online.
So far all the games that require an elite passes that iv bought have either been brand new or i dont plan to play them online anyway.
If by saying 'a way for a company to screw more money out of people' you mean 'a company not making any profit from used game sales from gamestop and the like' then you would be correct.
Do i really give a crap if i get a bad connection HELL NO.
Do i really care if the guns dont sound right NO
Do i give a damn about what the reviews will say about Space Marine? - NO
I like the game and that is all that matters. People who winge about this and that dont understand how luck they are to be able to play as a space marine so DEAL WITH IT and CARRY ON!
Still pretty pissed off having to wait to the 9th when other people already have the game, isn't there a rule where if some shops start selling early all shops are allowed to? I'm sure that's a thing, at least it should be.
MrH wrote:Still pretty pissed off having to wait to the 9th when other people already have the game, isn't there a rule where if some shops start selling early all shops are allowed to? I'm sure that's a thing, at least it should be.
MrH wrote:Still pretty pissed off having to wait to the 9th when other people already have the game, isn't there a rule where if some shops start selling early all shops are allowed to? I'm sure that's a thing, at least it should be.
Wait, what?
What shops are already selling it?
Not sure exactly, but a bunch of people have the game. I know one of the biggest shops in the Netherlands is selling it, not sure about the UK but I'm sure you'd find it in a little no name shop if you went looking. I used to get all my games like 3 days early from a tiny little game shop.
Apparently people are level 30+ already, so it'll be fun being fodder when the UK finally gets the game. Plus this tells me the MP progression is way too fast, I don't want to be max level in 2 days....
MrH wrote:Apparently people are level 30+ already, so it'll be fun being fodder when the UK finally gets the game. Plus this tells me the MP progression is way too fast, I don't want to be max level in 2 days....
Yeah, tried some MP today. Enjoy being swamped by Havoks and Assault Marines with thunderhammers.
With the amount of people who have the game right now, it's likely that matches are going by within a quarter of the time they normally would.
Each person will be making more kills/performing more objectives, thus gaining more XP.
Each person will also be finding matches far quicker, due to the smaller amount of games to be searched through.
With the amount of people who have the game right now, it's likely that matches are going by within a quarter of the time they normally would.
Each person will be making more kills/performing more objectives, thus gaining more XP.
Each person will also be finding matches far quicker, due to the smaller amount of games to be searched through.
That doesn't make any sense, but whatever. I'll put money on casuals being max level within a week.
You'll be gaining more XP because normally you would not have games of 5 v 5 filled with just 3 people.
Assuming the games go to 50 kills, like most Team Deathmatch gametypes do, you've got each person on the team averaging about 16.7 kills rather than the 10 kills they'd normally average to end a game.
You'll be gaining more XP because normally you would not have games of 5 v 5 filled with just 3 people.
Assuming the games go to 50 kills, like most Team Deathmatch gametypes do, you've got each person on the team averaging about 16.7 kills rather than the 10 kills they'd normally average to end a game.
For a start it's 8v8, and where did you hear games aren't being filled?
BrookM wrote:8V8 is the norm. 16 players per game max. Maybe that the Steam version can handle more players.
Games have been filled up since this morning now (8 hours ago)
Talk about how the multiplayer works a bit? I know there are public and private matches, right? I think I saw that on the videos I've seen anyway. Is the matching fast? How is the network code, laggy, stable?
BrookM wrote:8V8 is the norm. 16 players per game max. Maybe that the Steam version can handle more players.
Games have been filled up since this morning now (8 hours ago)
Talk about how the multiplayer works a bit? I know there are public and private matches, right? I think I saw that on the videos I've seen anyway. Is the matching fast? How is the network code, laggy, stable?
I'm not a big MP player so I can't comment on speed but the games for the most part ran without trouble and were a nice cozy mess of gore and screaming weapons. I did notice that it takes a while before you get into the game, though this could be linked to the host.
And yes, there is a private match option, which also allows you to earn XP, much to my surprise and to the disgust of some.
BrookM wrote:8V8 is the norm. 16 players per game max. Maybe that the Steam version can handle more players.
Games have been filled up since this morning now (8 hours ago)
Talk about how the multiplayer works a bit? I know there are public and private matches, right? I think I saw that on the videos I've seen anyway. Is the matching fast? How is the network code, laggy, stable?
I'm not a big MP player so I can't comment on speed but the games for the most part ran without trouble and were a nice cozy mess of gore and screaming weapons. I did notice that it takes a while before you get into the game, though this could be linked to the host.
And yes, there is a private match option, which also allows you to earn XP, much to my surprise and to the disgust of some.
BrookM wrote:8V8 is the norm. 16 players per game max. Maybe that the Steam version can handle more players.
Games have been filled up since this morning now (8 hours ago)
Talk about how the multiplayer works a bit? I know there are public and private matches, right? I think I saw that on the videos I've seen anyway. Is the matching fast? How is the network code, laggy, stable?
I'm not a big MP player so I can't comment on speed but the games for the most part ran without trouble and were a nice cozy mess of gore and screaming weapons. I did notice that it takes a while before you get into the game, though this could be linked to the host.
And yes, there is a private match option, which also allows you to earn XP, much to my surprise and to the disgust of some.
Gore? I thought gore was removed from MP.
Could be me then. Granted, I die a lot and when you die the screen turns black and white so it could just be dusty impacts.
Whatever, I'm just clawing for XP to get a nicely levelled character with some neat bling by the time October rolls around and gives us what I'm really looking forward to: Coop.
I already preordered the game. Ill get all the DLC's. I will probably spend countless hours on multiplayer using either a Sons Of Medusa/ Dusk Raiders marine or a Death Guard/ Alpha Legion chaos space marine.
BrookM wrote:8V8 is the norm. 16 players per game max. Maybe that the Steam version can handle more players.
Games have been filled up since this morning now (8 hours ago)
Talk about how the multiplayer works a bit? I know there are public and private matches, right? I think I saw that on the videos I've seen anyway. Is the matching fast? How is the network code, laggy, stable?
I'm not a big MP player so I can't comment on speed but the games for the most part ran without trouble and were a nice cozy mess of gore and screaming weapons. I did notice that it takes a while before you get into the game, though this could be linked to the host.
And yes, there is a private match option, which also allows you to earn XP, much to my surprise and to the disgust of some.
Gore? I thought gore was removed from MP.
You bleed once your armor is gone. I imagine the matchmaking is slow right now since MOST of us don't have the game
BrookM wrote:8V8 is the norm. 16 players per game max. Maybe that the Steam version can handle more players.
Games have been filled up since this morning now (8 hours ago)
Talk about how the multiplayer works a bit? I know there are public and private matches, right? I think I saw that on the videos I've seen anyway. Is the matching fast? How is the network code, laggy, stable?
I'm not a big MP player so I can't comment on speed but the games for the most part ran without trouble and were a nice cozy mess of gore and screaming weapons. I did notice that it takes a while before you get into the game, though this could be linked to the host.
And yes, there is a private match option, which also allows you to earn XP, much to my surprise and to the disgust of some.
Gore? I thought gore was removed from MP.
You bleed once your armor is gone. I imagine the matchmaking is slow right now since MOST of us don't have the game
Be thankful you don't have to wait until the 9th.....
BrookM wrote:8V8 is the norm. 16 players per game max. Maybe that the Steam version can handle more players.
Games have been filled up since this morning now (8 hours ago)
Talk about how the multiplayer works a bit? I know there are public and private matches, right? I think I saw that on the videos I've seen anyway. Is the matching fast? How is the network code, laggy, stable?
I'm not a big MP player so I can't comment on speed but the games for the most part ran without trouble and were a nice cozy mess of gore and screaming weapons. I did notice that it takes a while before you get into the game, though this could be linked to the host.
And yes, there is a private match option, which also allows you to earn XP, much to my surprise and to the disgust of some.
Gore? I thought gore was removed from MP.
You bleed once your armor is gone. I imagine the matchmaking is slow right now since MOST of us don't have the game
Be thankful you don't have to wait until the 9th.....
BrookM wrote:8V8 is the norm. 16 players per game max. Maybe that the Steam version can handle more players.
Games have been filled up since this morning now (8 hours ago)
Talk about how the multiplayer works a bit? I know there are public and private matches, right? I think I saw that on the videos I've seen anyway. Is the matching fast? How is the network code, laggy, stable?
I'm not a big MP player so I can't comment on speed but the games for the most part ran without trouble and were a nice cozy mess of gore and screaming weapons. I did notice that it takes a while before you get into the game, though this could be linked to the host.
And yes, there is a private match option, which also allows you to earn XP, much to my surprise and to the disgust of some.
Gore? I thought gore was removed from MP.
You bleed once your armor is gone. I imagine the matchmaking is slow right now since MOST of us don't have the game
Be thankful you don't have to wait until the 9th.....
BrookM wrote:8V8 is the norm. 16 players per game max. Maybe that the Steam version can handle more players.
Games have been filled up since this morning now (8 hours ago)
Talk about how the multiplayer works a bit? I know there are public and private matches, right? I think I saw that on the videos I've seen anyway. Is the matching fast? How is the network code, laggy, stable?
I'm not a big MP player so I can't comment on speed but the games for the most part ran without trouble and were a nice cozy mess of gore and screaming weapons. I did notice that it takes a while before you get into the game, though this could be linked to the host.
And yes, there is a private match option, which also allows you to earn XP, much to my surprise and to the disgust of some.
Gore? I thought gore was removed from MP.
You bleed once your armor is gone. I imagine the matchmaking is slow right now since MOST of us don't have the game
Be thankful you don't have to wait until the 9th.....
Also, as a final kick when we're down to the UK, we can't buy it on steam, because Game and Gamestation bullied THQ into only distributing boxed copies.
As a side note, the complaints about the meltagun are really unfounded. They function pretty much as described in the Cain books, and are VERY limited in ammunition. One shot per melta cannister, and ten cannisters total. But they're utterly deadly in single player at least. It replaces the stalker boltgun in SP.
The animation of Titus killing off an 'Ard Boy is hilariously awesome, heh.
Melissia wrote:As a side note, the complaints about the meltagun are really unfounded. They function pretty much as described in the Cain books.
What complaints? Everything about 10 yards in front of you dies, seems right to me
People complained about it being effectively a shotgun. Which it is. An anti-tank shotgun. It kills everything it sees.
Not really a shotgun IMO, spread is far to wide, range to short, damage to high, reload times to long.... It kicks butt though. It's the easiest weapon to get the 10 kills in slowmo achievement with too. Just mob them up, and blam!
Is there a toggle on the console version for friendly fire? What options do you have when when setting up a console game? From the pre release info, we're only getting 5 maps. What do they look like generally?
If the game's public matchmaker goes down again, I'll be glad to host private matches with my friends. My internet is quite stable, and I don't run crap in the background while I play..
warboss wrote:Is there a toggle on the console version for friendly fire? What options do you have when when setting up a console game? From the pre release info, we're only getting 5 maps. What do they look like generally?
Shattered Bridge is a HUGE fething highway, partially demolished with crashed thunderbirds and fightabommas. It has multiple levels with holes in the various levels, and three control points. The map has plenty of cover and multiple levels, although the lower levels are rarely used (assault marines prefer the top level obviously) so they're great for flanking attacks. It's fairly linear in its design, but it's just beautiful and fun to play on. Three points, one in front of each default spawn, one in the middle.
Hab Center has a central open area with lots of pillars and statues for cover, with two habitation areas on north-south that have three levels and the wall facing the open area mostly blasted out, and fortified areas east-west which must be assautled directly instead of from long range like the north-south parts. Various walls, pillars, and levels provide for plenty of cover and ambush locations. Four points, one in each of the described areas.
Basilica is the same general setup as Hab Center in the location of its points, but is situated entirely indoors in a dark, well, basilica. There's a central bridge which leads from one spawn to the other and the central area is open for sniping for those traveling between the two central middle points-- the two middle points themselves have their own rooms but are otherwise fairly open, on raised platforms with only a pillar to hide behind, so your team really needs to secure the doors to keep those points. Various piles of crates and multiple levels provides for plenty of cover. Four points, one at each spawn, two midway between each spawn, on either side of the map.
Waste Management is an open indoors map, which has tons of graffiti, concrete, and rust on it looking like it was used by gangers or orks. Its three points are positioned diagonally across the map, with spawn points at north and south, and each point at southwest, central, and northeast. As before, there's multiple levels, and the central point is on a bridge between spawns which still has some defensible walls to allow peopel to cap it, forcing you to either change firing positions if they hide behind them or assault the point directly yourself. The other points have multiple entrances and are easier to take, but close to the enemy's spawn, so also relatively easy to defend. The map has less cover than the previous maps, but still enough that devastators don't entirely dominate. Three points, as described before.
Manufactorum is is a mostly open map, with the central area in open skies with lots and lots of crates and etc to maneuver around and hide behind, and the manufactorum itself surrounding the central area, with spawn points north-south, capture points east-west and central. The two east-west capture points are fairly easy to defend, while the central point is usually the most hotly contested, as it has lots of firing lanes and open skies for assault marines to attack from. You can almost snipe from spawn to spawn, and it's often a good idea to flank through the building. A great balance between cover and open space, although the map has essentially just one floor with some occasional higher walkways in a sort of bowl shape around the central point, which itself is quite vulnerable but easy to defend once captured. Three points, as described before.
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Shattered Bridge, shown jumping in the air near the Space Marine spawn.
Waste Management, viewing its rather and highly contended for open middle point.
A look at Manufactorum's central storage area, which is similarly fought over.
Hab Center, showing the open central area and the view of the two hab centers themselves. That red glow is a shield protecting the Chaos Marine spawn. The various points themselves are mostly enclosed ,but the central area is not, which makes for interesting games.
And finally:
It's hard to provide a good image of this area, as it does not have merely one focus. If it did though, it'd be this central passage, which while it doesn't have the point, grants easy acecss to all four points utilizing the lower ground path and the upper bridge (there's also paths below the bridge). The other parts of the map have much more cover, too.
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Soladrin wrote:Gotta love the free network...
Matchmaking in general for Space Marine is extremely hit and miss right now. It often simply doesn't work.
Shattered Bridge is definitely the winner and best map in the multiplayer. The visuals are striking, the fighting is fierce, and the map has plenty of both open space AND cover, allowing all classes to fight to their optimal power.
It does indeed. I think there IS a difference betwen the power sword and chainsword (anecdotal evidence mostly), but MOST of the time it's not very noticeable so they may very well be the same or at most very minor differences (roughly the same amount of hits to kill depending on how damaged the enemy is).
Inventory screen shows they have exactly the same stats, they also use the same animations AFAIK. So, apart from different unlocks (if they are different?) it's pretty much a weapon skin.
Anyone tried the assault marine with a bolter and power sword? That was going to be the combo I'll be eventually shooting for as I just think it looks pretty damn cool. If anyone has unlocked it, how does the bolter feel with the assault marine? Useful or like tits on a bull?
Melissia wrote:both hammer and axe are easier to dodge than chainsword and power sword.
This, I find the Chainaxe is only really effective against Devestators who can't really dodge.
I've found "umad" Grenades (Blind Grenades....) with the Powersword, Plasma Pistol, Impenetrable, and Death From Above form a deadly combination for the rare times I play ASM.
Gah, I still can't play online...it says I need to change my NAT settings to "open"...I looked it up and tried to change it, but it wasn't working for me...
mega_bassist wrote:Gah, I still can't play online...it says I need to change my NAT settings to "open"...I looked it up and tried to change it, but it wasn't working for me...
Any tips/advice?
You might have to call your ISP if you got your modem from them. If you're lucky, the company left you the instruction book for the modem but that doesn't always happen. How did you try to change the settings?
Melissia wrote:I go with power sword, plasma pistol, combat stimulants, power swordsman's zeal, and impenetrable in my primary assault class right now.
Wow...it will probably take me a week to unlock all that stuff . I am usually 7th or 8th in the matches I play, so I'm sucking on the XP track!
Melissia wrote:I go with power sword, plasma pistol, combat stimulants, power swordsman's zeal, and impenetrable in my primary assault class right now.
Wow...it will probably take me a week to unlock all that stuff . I am usually 7th or 8th in the matches I play, so I'm sucking on the XP track!
Its better than having your console konk out on you two weeks before the release like mine did and having to wait a month for the repaired one to come back! Half glass full, Ruckdog!
mega_bassist wrote:Gah, I still can't play online...it says I need to change my NAT settings to "open"...I looked it up and tried to change it, but it wasn't working for me...
Any tips/advice?
You might have to call your ISP if you got your modem from them. If you're lucky, the company left you the instruction book for the modem but that doesn't always happen. How did you try to change the settings?
I can't find the site that gave me the instructions now, but I had to manually enter in my IP and Router numbers and then go to my laptop and change the router to open...but I couldn't get the PS3 to connect to the internet after putting the the info (yes, it was entered correctly)...I think I might have found a more helpful site though...
I wish it tracked your K/D in Seize Ground, oh well.
I would play annihilation, but I think 41 kills for 8v8 is a bit low, not to mention I'm not a huge fan of just TDM; much prefer some other objective as well as killing.
So how does friendly fire work (or not) in multiplayer? Does the host toggle it on/off when setting up a match or is it just off period? My question is specific to consoles (xbox) as I expect that the PC version has more options.
MrH wrote:FF is better left off in this sort of game, if not you'd just have kids ruin it for everyone by intentionally team killing.
If that were the justification, NO game should have friendly fire. Douches like the ones you're describing populate every game on every platform in varying degrees. I was just wondering if you can toggle it on when hosting to play a bit more realistic (lol, yes, I went there) game of toy space soldiers. On a related note, can the host boot individual players in either public or private matches?
MrH wrote:FF is better left off in this sort of game, if not you'd just have kids ruin it for everyone by intentionally team killing.
If that were the justification, NO game should have friendly fire. Douches like the ones you're describing populate every game on every platform in varying degrees. I was just wondering if you can toggle it on when hosting to play a bit more realistic (lol, yes, I went ther) game of toy space soldiers. On a related note, can the host boot individual players in either public or private matches?
I would be perfectly happy if FF was off on all public multiplayer games.
MrH wrote:I would be perfectly happy if FF was off on all public multiplayer games.
And I agree that should be the standard (but not only match type). I actually usually prefer playing FF on in multiplayer games as long as there is some easy system of booting a player permanently who tries to abuse it. I'm just wondering if space marine will be able to scratch that itch in public and/or private matches.
So, what do you guys think of True Grit as assault?
Seems like the 1 handed bolter is just really inaccurate, fine if someone is right in your face, but then why aren't you hitting them with your melee weapon. Might switch it out and try and get decent with the plasma pistol to break the damn Devastator ridiculous armor.
Also, devs that can plant while tanking your axe to the face = annoying. Might need to take that improved interrupt instead of True Grit.
I think Assault might have the deepest skill gap, since it really takes a lot of getting used to to move around really well and make your attacks land; I'm still pretty awful with them, lol.
daedalus-templarius wrote:So, what do you guys think of True Grit as assault?
Seems like the 1 handed bolter is just really inaccurate, fine if someone is right in your face, but then why aren't you hitting them with your melee weapon. Might switch it out and try and get decent with the plasma pistol to break the damn Devastator ridiculous armor.
Also, devs that can plant while tanking your axe to the face = annoying. Might need to take that improved interrupt instead of True Grit.
I think Assault might have the deepest skill gap, since it really takes a lot of getting used to to move around really well and make your attacks land; I'm still pretty awful with them, lol.
That's funny, I do better with assault than either of the other classes lol. I do agree, getting up in a dev's face and bashing him over and over to to have him turn around slowly and kill you in 1 second is annoying.
I find myself doing WAYYY better with tactical and dev most of the time, but I think its just because I haven't logged enough playtime with Assault yet.
Some of the combos seem to fire off weird in multiplayer too, like double tap Y (stun) and you get a quick stomp and then a big stomp, no idea why.
Also, the hammer seems way too slow for just about anything to me. I'm way more scared of the axes and chainswords.
nectarprime wrote:I do agree, getting up in a dev's face and bashing him over and over to to have him turn around slowly and kill you in 1 second is annoying.
Can they do that? Is this the fabled powerfoot stomp I saw in some of the early gameplay vids?
bombboy1252 wrote:
It does exactly what it implies....interrupts the enemy making them unable to do much of anything for a little while
Is that any different from the stun moves mentioned earlier in the thread?
Stuns in single player last longer than interrupts in multiplayer. Basically, as you build a combo, your attacks get stronger-- the opening attack is the weakest and the last attack is strongest. The interrupt, well, interrupts your combo and knocks you back a step, at which point you can continue attacking but at the start of the combo again.
Assault takes getting used to. I hated it at first out of frustration at having a hard time, and the Tactical marine is pretty natural. I've gotten better over the course of the day though and I'm enjoying the chainsword the most myself.
I actually like Devastators the most. I love the heavy bolter, but I'm not much good with them.
I didn't think that assault was the hardest class to play as, I actually thought tactical was the hardest lol, and yes the heavy bolter is BOSS, though I have heard people whining online that it's OP...
The only thing I'd say is probably OP is the lascannon... because of its rate of fire, now because of how hard it hits. Its damage is fine. It just... it's a mobile sniper cannon that's useful at any range, so yeah, people use and abuse it.
Anvildude wrote:What about Flamers? I haven't heard anything about those yet...
They aren't available in Space Marine. Honestly, I'm unsure how to balance them anyway. Sure they work if the foes are packed but oftentimes I don't find enemy players so close together. The weapon would be too situational I think.
EDIT: I'm hoping for a sequel, maybe we'll see flamers then among other weapons not in Space Marine (the missile launcher, power fists, etc). I actually wonder if Relic has any ideas for the inclusion of Terminators. Despite my whines about balance, the game is pretty well balanced overall. I wonder how they could include the Termis.
Make 'em slow. That's the one thing I never really understood about SM termies. Yea, Meganobz have SnP. But Termies don't? Whut? It's a walking tank, you're bound to have some difficulty. At the least, you wouldn't be able to jump. At most, they'd go half speed, but take half damage from everything.
Meganobz have SnP cause their armor is nowhere near as functional as Termy armor. Termy armor still allows quite a lot of freedom of movement when compared.
Soladrin wrote:Good thing the storm bolter is utter crap.
But it feels so nice to fire... (I prefer a bolter with dragon rounds anyday. Or whatever they're called, I haven't earned them and I keep copying the guy who kills me with them. )
Cool videos... thanks! That guy with the storm bolter really had it in for you in the assault video. Nice kill streaks on the dev one... I'm a bit surprised to see the plasma cannon is a one shot/one kill weapon though. The melta also definitely seems to be the anti-assault marine weapon of choice from the look of it.
Watching back my own videos I noticed 2 parts of my armour were grey when they should have been black and pink respectively, plus I was a pretty basic Space Marine so I just played with the customizer and jazzed myself up a little. I need level 41 for my helm though :(
Nice video, you definetly got the hang of that plasma cannon better then I do, I think I've seen you in a few games last week or so, though last few days I've been getting on servers where everyone has the worst pings possible, it's bizarre and slightly annoying.
Sckitzo wrote:Nice video, you definetly got the hang of that plasma cannon better then I do, I think I've seen you in a few games last week or so, though last few days I've been getting on servers where everyone has the worst pings possible, it's bizarre and slightly annoying.
I'd hope not, or the matchmaking really wasn't doing its job!
daedalus-templarius wrote:I think they are planning some region filtering/matchmaking tweaks in the first patch.
That first patch can't come soon enough, my current issues:
. Mics are on by default, so you constantly hear people breathing, coughing, shouting, burping plus the echo and reverb from people's speakers is awful.
. No disable voice option
. Matchmaking hangs for around 30 seconds once a game has been found for you.
. Matchmaking only shows a few servers available, surely there's more than 100 people playing the game.
. Matchmaking picking a poor host and not correctly the mistake with host migration.
. Waiting for reply popping up for around 30 seconds when joining a game.
. Waiting for host constantly popping up during a game with a bad host.
. Host migration not kicking in when the whole server has one bar and is lagging to hell apart from the host.
. Host migration not kicking in when "waiting for host" constantly appears on screen because the host sucks.
. Host migration not working at all on occasions.
. Host migration taking forever to find a new host on occasions.
. Host migration not kicking in more than once if the second host drops.
Another huge pain the ass for me is my Power Sword pre-order bonus, I still don't have it. I have emailed customer support several times and they just ignore me, I have emailed both the admins on the forum and they haven't responded either. It's like I'm dealing with an eBay scammer who has my money but won't send the item and has ceased all communication.
For the love of god, I cannot understand how on the PC, the open-mics-by-default option managed to get out of alpha. How did they not realize this was a major issue the very first time they played it in multi? Every single game, the first thing I have to do is hit tab and mute everyone's feedback\TV\music\nonsense.
The only other big problem I've seen is occasionally it will have a bad host, launch the game, and then level actually fire off... everyone can chat, but the game never starts. Problem being at that point you cannot back out of the game in any way, short of alt-tabbing and right-click-closing the app. I've only seen this twice, though.
Moving in a different direction for a second here, now that I've had about a week to play with it, I'd like to talk about some of my experiences with the different builds.
Stalker Bolter\Demon Eye - this is the only build I'm really effective with. I've unlocked both perks related to this. I can generally get a positive kill/death ratio with this, especially on the map with the bridge.
Storm Bolter\Twin-linked Bolter - I thought I'd love this, but it's way too inaccurate to use effectively. You have to get right on top of them and even then it takes a long time to kill someone. The Melta seems superior in all ways.
Standard Bolter - I tried this quite a bit since there is a tooltip stating this is a great combo, but it doesn't feel especially powerful to me.
Plasma Cannon - I'm not great with this but I feel like I could be with a little more practice.
Assault with Thunder Hammer, Plasma Pistol, Exploding Jetpack & ranged damage reduction: this is my favorite build, though I often do quite poorly with it. I'm getting much better though. Tonight I realized that my plasma pistol wasn't just a decoration, and that what I should be doing is jumping, aiming while mid-air, double tapping, then landing and hammertime. I managed to get the most kills in a single round ever tonight with this technique, 11. Feels good man. My main problem is not being able to land exactly where I want to, often landing just shy of a good charge (or worse, behind them).
Why wouldn't it group us out of curiosity? So sort of local players = best ping type code? With muting everyone I can't tell accents though I do get a vast majority of Americans in my games.
That Mic thing is annoying the crap outta me.
I wonder how much steam is going to be selling that power sword and other race army DLC's for...
Sckitzo wrote:Why wouldn't it group us out of curiosity? So sort of local players = best ping type code? With muting everyone I can't tell accents though I do get a vast majority of Americans in my games.
That Mic thing is annoying the crap outta me.
I wonder how much steam is going to be selling that power sword and other race army DLC's for...
It wouldn't/shouldn't group us because I'm from the UK and you're from the US, so we'd get like 200 - 300ms, whereas if I'm put with people from the UK, Germany, France etc I usually get like a 50 - 100ms (on P2P, on dedicated I never see above 30ms).
That's what I was assuming, it's not Region locked... but is in a way, but I swear it's busted right now, only way to explain the pings I've been getting.
Also MrH, how did you unlock the power sword? Preorder bonus?
Soladrin wrote:No as in, killing someone with it has no beneifit at all. Doesn't require any skill, doesn't help with challenges. Absolutely useless.
I only play seize ground btw Annihilation is crap, games are way to short.
I love FV, I killed by it alot, but it keeps me on my toes when playing assault and havoc. It's also great for causing confusion. I have a build set up as a suicide bomber sorts of assault, so if I jump in first, cause some damage then get killed, it scatters the other team while the rest of the assaults jump in and mop it up.
Not to mention, you need it for revenge kills for some of the chaos armor, I found getting revenge kills by spawning, hunting down the guy that killed you before someone else does and killing them takes to long.
I try to play annihilation, I just can't get into it. I just wish more of my buddies on steam played this, can't ever count on your team working together since everyone disables the mics at the start so hardly any team work.
I'm taking a break right to play RO2 before I get burned out on the game though.
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that there is not a multiplayer demo to try out the customization, I am still filled with joy that we even got a demo.
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. I am usually 7th or 8th in the matches I play, so I'm sucking on the XP track!
