rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: We have a house rule on Land Raiders;
-Front 14
-Side 12 if it's Crusader or Redeemer
-Side 13 of it's a standard.
-Rear 12 no matter what.
Well, there goes all the BT armies :£
It's not like they're OP or anything. 250 points for naff-all firepower is a bit much, even in assaulty armies.
Just impossible to kill without heinous amounts of AT weapons, though I do agree that side armour 12 is a little far. Just having rear armour 12 would be a huge fix and would actually make them killable again.
True, but you still have to dedicate half your points or more into making them useful.
250 points Crusader
10 points for a Multi-Melta
180 points for a reasonably-equipped Crusader squad
100-200 points for a useful melee-HQ
That's 540 points at a low estimate.
Then you've gotta double up for survivability, in case someone gets lucky on T1.
Severin Loth cannot make use of any rules of LIbrarius Conclave.
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rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: We have a house rule on Land Raiders;
-Front 14
-Side 12 if it's Crusader or Redeemer
-Side 13 of it's a standard.
-Rear 12 no matter what.
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: We have a house rule on Land Raiders;
-Front 14
-Side 12 if it's Crusader or Redeemer
-Side 13 of it's a standard.
-Rear 12 no matter what.
Also, if you have HH stuff, and that Character is dead, (Proper Dead), You can't use him/her/it.
Really? Was an AV14 brick really that had for people in your area to deal with? Clearly nobody brought enough melta. I'd hate to see what you would do with the poor Monolith!
One of my pet peeves is people who for some reason can't roll dice is a "neat" fashion now I get dice bounce around and such but there is no reason to send them scattering all over the place.
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: We have a house rule on Land Raiders;
-Front 14
-Side 12 if it's Crusader or Redeemer
-Side 13 of it's a standard.
-Rear 12 no matter what.
Well, there goes all the BT armies :£
It's not like they're OP or anything. 250 points for naff-all firepower is a bit much, even in assaulty armies.
Just impossible to kill without heinous amounts of AT weapons, though I do agree that side armour 12 is a little far. Just having rear armour 12 would be a huge fix and would actually make them killable again.
Except you always disembark from the front or sides, never the back anyway(can you even do that?)
-When the opponent decides he's going to quietly check your army list before he builds his, and then tailors to it. Happens almost every game to me. The guy has never fielded a sub-optimal unit.
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: We have a house rule on Land Raiders;
-Front 14
-Side 12 if it's Crusader or Redeemer
-Side 13 of it's a standard.
-Rear 12 no matter what.
Well, there goes all the BT armies :£
It's not like they're OP or anything. 250 points for naff-all firepower is a bit much, even in assaulty armies.
Just impossible to kill without heinous amounts of AT weapons, though I do agree that side armour 12 is a little far. Just having rear armour 12 would be a huge fix and would actually make them killable again.
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: We have a house rule on Land Raiders;
-Front 14
-Side 12 if it's Crusader or Redeemer
-Side 13 of it's a standard.
-Rear 12 no matter what.
Well, there goes all the BT armies :£
It's not like they're OP or anything. 250 points for naff-all firepower is a bit much, even in assaulty armies.
Just impossible to kill without heinous amounts of AT weapons, though I do agree that side armour 12 is a little far. Just having rear armour 12 would be a huge fix and would actually make them killable again.
I rarely have a Land Raider live after the guys jump out. Too much melta out there.
In my first game of 7th, I had 30 boyz. In. One. Unit. All they managed to do was shoot their big shootas 2 or 3 times. And there were only 3 big shootas.
That was something that I will never do again.
I may sound kind of trollish, but I hate it when your opponent brings a unit of lots of models on a unit that's worthless or has a few models.
KaptinBadrukk wrote: In my first game of 7th, I had 30 boyz. In. One. Unit. All they managed to do was shoot their big shootas 2 or 3 times. And there were only 3 big shootas.
That was something that I will never do again.
I may sound kind of trollish, but I hate it when your opponent brings a unit of lots of models on a unit that's worthless or has a few models.
I could go on.
I don't understand. When I run orks, it's usually 3x squads of 30.
KaptinBadrukk wrote: In my first game of 7th, I had 30 boyz. In. One. Unit. All they managed to do was shoot their big shootas 2 or 3 times. And there were only 3 big shootas.
That was something that I will never do again.
I may sound kind of trollish, but I hate it when your opponent brings a unit of lots of models on a unit that's worthless or has a few models.
I could go on.
I don't understand. When I run orks, it's usually 3x squads of 30.
Well, my friend, who was helping me, said it wasn't such a good idea with that many. They really didn't do anything. Up to 20 is better.
Anpu42 wrote: People who make blanket Statements like
"If it was not for X Formation No-One would take Y Unit".
But that's true for ASM and devastators.
Everyone I play with [that plays Marines] Take them and a few others I know do to, so that is not a true 'Blanket Statement'.
Wow. That's... interesting to say the least given how awful they are.
In you META they are.
In ours they are mid tier units, but then we don't have tons of Scatter-Bikes, Wrathkights or Riptides.
You don't need those things to make devastators and ASM bad. They're just bad in an objective sense.
Not when both players have no problem taking them.
My normal Space Marine Opponent usually takes 3x 5 man Squads (4x HB, 4x, LC, 4x MM) and when I take my Marines it is usually 2x 10 Man Squads each with 4x PC. It comes out to be a very fair match most of the time. Other than a few Dreads and Rhinos/Razorbacks we also do not use many Vehicles.
I actually don't have a problem with the durability of land raiders. In the fluff they're described as being dang near mobile fortresses, and they have the armor to represent this.
Severin Loth cannot make use of any rules of LIbrarius Conclave.
If you ask Forgeworld they say it's perfectly reasonable to use the FW characters in any of the standard books formations as long as they are the right type, ie Librarius Conclave can have Loth in it
If you ask Forgeworld they say it's perfectly reasonable to use the FW characters in any of the standard books formations as long as they are the right type, ie Librarius Conclave can have Loth in it
And I'm just supposed to take your word for that? They've made no official declaration of any kind on that front. Until they do, those are just your house rules.
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: We have a house rule on Land Raiders;
-Front 14
-Side 12 if it's Crusader or Redeemer
-Side 13 of it's a standard.
-Rear 12 no matter what.
Also, if you have HH stuff, and that Character is dead, (Proper Dead), You can't use him/her/it.
Really? Was an AV14 brick really that had for people in your area to deal with? Clearly nobody brought enough melta. I'd hate to see what you would do with the poor Monolith!
Yep, nobody brings grav or melta. ever.
Not even the Tau player can Dakka my Caphractii Termies in an Achilles (Its like a russian nesting doll of blue resin)
It's funny really, we have 1 necron player and no monolith.
0 eldar players too.
-When the opponent decides he's going to quietly check your army list before he builds his, and then tailors to it. Happens almost every game to me. The guy has never fielded a sub-optimal unit.
Don't let him see your list beforehand. You won't know everything the enemy's bringing to a real fight!
-When the opponent decides he's going to quietly check your army list before he builds his, and then tailors to it. Happens almost every game to me. The guy has never fielded a sub-optimal unit.
Don't let him see your list beforehand. You won't know everything the enemy's bringing to a real fight!
If I'm not gaming at my house, I have my stuff in a box. This box just about contains one army list. He /somehow/ manages to get a good look at the contents before building.
-When the opponent decides he's going to quietly check your army list before he builds his, and then tailors to it. Happens almost every game to me. The guy has never fielded a sub-optimal unit.
Don't let him see your list beforehand. You won't know everything the enemy's bringing to a real fight!
If I'm not gaming at my house, I have my stuff in a box. This box just about contains one army list. He /somehow/ manages to get a good look at the contents before building.
Hmm, as others have pointed to, maybe write up a few different lists with different flavors/weapons/loadouts so he doesn't know what to expect.
If you ask Forgeworld they say it's perfectly reasonable to use the FW characters in any of the standard books formations as long as they are the right type, ie Librarius Conclave can have Loth in it
And I'm just supposed to take your word for that? They've made no official declaration of any kind on that front. Until they do, those are just your house rules.
A reply email from them is pretty much regarded as official, i wasn't the one to ask them but the screenshot of the email is floating around somewhere on this forum and makes it quite clear that it's perfectly acceptable to use Loth in a Librarius conclave
When people roll dice one at a time when there is no reason for it. Like, fifteen saves on a character or MC all by itself, rolled one at a time.
And nobody gets to see my list until we are deploying models, especially not if they say they have to build the list on the spot. All they get to know is that I am playing marines.
master of ordinance wrote: Not quite 40K but:
My little brother has this thing he does when I am painting. He will purposely nudge me or grab me, trying to shake me.
He also like to start wittering on when I am concentrating on something important.
master of ordinance wrote: Not quite 40K but:
My little brother has this thing he does when I am painting. He will purposely nudge me or grab me, trying to shake me.
He also like to start wittering on when I am concentrating on something important.
How old is he? If he's over 10, give him a smack.
14, but he benefits from the "Mothers little darling" shield.
master of ordinance wrote: Not quite 40K but:
My little brother has this thing he does when I am painting. He will purposely nudge me or grab me, trying to shake me.
He also like to start wittering on when I am concentrating on something important.
How old is he? If he's over 10, give him a smack.
14, but he benefits from the "Mothers little darling" shield.
master of ordinance wrote: Not quite 40K but:
My little brother has this thing he does when I am painting. He will purposely nudge me or grab me, trying to shake me.
He also like to start wittering on when I am concentrating on something important.
How old is he? If he's over 10, give him a smack.
14, but he benefits from the "Mothers little darling" shield.
master of ordinance wrote: Not quite 40K but:
My little brother has this thing he does when I am painting. He will purposely nudge me or grab me, trying to shake me.
He also like to start wittering on when I am concentrating on something important.
How old is he? If he's over 10, give him a smack.
14, but he benefits from the "Mothers little darling" shield.
If you ask Forgeworld they say it's perfectly reasonable to use the FW characters in any of the standard books formations as long as they are the right type, ie Librarius Conclave can have Loth in it
And I'm just supposed to take your word for that? They've made no official declaration of any kind on that front. Until they do, those are just your house rules.
A reply email from them is pretty much regarded as official, i wasn't the one to ask them but the screenshot of the email is floating around somewhere on this forum and makes it quite clear that it's perfectly acceptable to use Loth in a Librarius conclave
No, it is not regarded as official. Email them 10 times and you'll get 10 different answers from 10 different interns. If it is not included in an FAQ, then it is not an official errata.
I don't have a problem with Lolth being used in a Ligrarius Conclave, mind you. But others might.
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rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: But a Librarius Conclave is for LOYALIST MARINES in Codex:SM.
Severin Loth is an EC character, therefore traitor.
rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote: But a Librarius Conclave is for LOYALIST MARINES in Codex:SM.
Severin Loth is an EC character, therefore traitor.
Loth is a Red scorpion, a loyalist ultra codex loving one too, pretty much all the Badab characters can be used as replacements for generic ones if you follow your chapter tactics
master of ordinance wrote: Not quite 40K but:
My little brother has this thing he does when I am painting. He will purposely nudge me or grab me, trying to shake me.
He also like to start wittering on when I am concentrating on something important.
How old is he? If he's over 10, give him a smack.
14, but he benefits from the "Mothers little darling" shield.
Damnit, a re-rollable 1++!
CHEESE!
Exalted
I like the idea of a Shock Collar and 'Invisible Fence' myself.
master of ordinance wrote: Not quite 40K but:
My little brother has this thing he does when I am painting. He will purposely nudge me or grab me, trying to shake me.
This is one reason that I am overly confused why GW doesn't sell cork or something like it where you can mount your models while painting. It has a lot of plusses when you can lean the heel of your palm up against what's holding your model. That way, even if someone or something shakes you, both hands move together which reduces these kind of painting accidents. When painting Space Marines or Terminators (especially ones that come in starter boxes where the bases is already pre-cut for you, and you don't have to glue it to get it to stand up), I stick them on old prescription bottles using some double sided, reusable adhesive pads. Makes painting the really small, really tight spots a lot easier.
GAdvance wrote: A reply email from them is pretty much regarded as official,
While Forgeworld don't have quite the same track record as GW proper for issuing contradictory answers via email (the common meme online for the last decade or so has been that if you email GW twice, you'll get 3 different answers) you'll find that emails are rarely considered as 'official' answers. Partly because of the aforementioned contradictions, and partly because there is no way to verify their provenance short of sending an email yourself and hoping for the same answer.
If it's not in a published FAQ, it's no better than a house rule.
When a guy plays an Eldars "fluffy and fun" lists but still brings 20 Scatterbikes, 6 FW Hornets, 3 FLyers and 3 Fireprism, packs the feth of everything in the middle of the table( because of terrain mind you and the Hammer & Anvil deployement), then nearly throws in the towel and goes on a rant, because you kill 4 bikes and get 1HP with your Soul crusher Bombardement...
Oh and been called cheesy because i had too much attacks with my KDK models when assaulting, and that for once that he brings a fluffy list we play AV13-14 against his army( it was a 2 Vs 2 game, Crons and Me, Vs him and SM, in those 4000pts we litterally had 8 vehicles, my LR , Soul crusher and Maulerfiend and a Rhino, and the Necron 2 Arcs and 2 Annihilation consoles...).
He's a good guy to hang with, but a terrible player.
Someone mentioned, when the guy take his models off the table with you throwing any dice, he did that twice, but he was thinking that i would not move my unit, so was looking surprised when i moved my models for their assault roll and then consolidation.
Asking me " what are you doing?"
"Well if you take them off the table that means they are destroyed, so i did succesfully assault them right?, so i move my models according to that scenario, now if you don't wan that, then put the models back, and we'll see if i destroy them and then i will consolidate"
"...no its okay do your thing..."
"thank you kind sire"
Slayer le boucher wrote: When a guy plays an Eldars "fluffy and fun" lists but still brings 20 Scatterbikes, 6 FW Hornets, 3 FLyers and 3 Fireprism, packs the feth of everything in the middle of the table( because of terrain mind you and the Hammer & Anvil deployement), then nearly throws in the towel and goes on a rant, because you kill 4 bikes and get 1HP with your Soul crusher Bombardement...
Oh and been called cheesy because i had too much attacks with my KDK models when assaulting, and that for once that he brings a fluffy list we play AV13-14 against his army( it was a 2 Vs 2 game, Crons and Me, Vs him and SM, in those 4000pts we litterally had 8 vehicles, my LR , Soul crusher and Maulerfiend and a Rhino, and the Necron 2 Arcs and 2 Annihilation consoles...).
He's a good guy to hang with, but a terrible player.
Someone mentioned, when the guy take his models off the table with you throwing any dice, he did that twice, but he was thinking that i would not move my unit, so was looking surprised when i moved my models for their assault roll and then consolidation.
Asking me " what are you doing?"
"Well if you take them off the table that means they are destroyed, so i did succesfully assault them right?, so i move my models according to that scenario, now if you don't wan that, then put the models back, and we'll see if i destroy them and then i will consolidate"
"...no its okay do your thing..."
"thank you kind sire"
To be fair to him, that does sound like a Saim-Hann army to me. Other stuff sounds pretty annoying/frustrating though.
Slayer le boucher wrote: When a guy plays an Eldars "fluffy and fun" lists but still brings 20 Scatterbikes, 6 FW Hornets, 3 FLyers and 3 Fireprism, packs the feth of everything in the middle of the table( because of terrain mind you and the Hammer & Anvil deployement), then nearly throws in the towel and goes on a rant, because you kill 4 bikes and get 1HP with your Soul crusher Bombardement...
Oh and been called cheesy because i had too much attacks with my KDK models when assaulting, and that for once that he brings a fluffy list we play AV13-14 against his army( it was a 2 Vs 2 game, Crons and Me, Vs him and SM, in those 4000pts we litterally had 8 vehicles, my LR , Soul crusher and Maulerfiend and a Rhino, and the Necron 2 Arcs and 2 Annihilation consoles...).
He's a good guy to hang with, but a terrible player.
Someone mentioned, when the guy take his models off the table with you throwing any dice, he did that twice, but he was thinking that i would not move my unit, so was looking surprised when i moved my models for their assault roll and then consolidation.
Asking me " what are you doing?"
"Well if you take them off the table that means they are destroyed, so i did succesfully assault them right?, so i move my models according to that scenario, now if you don't wan that, then put the models back, and we'll see if i destroy them and then i will consolidate"
"...no its okay do your thing..."
"thank you kind sire"
To be fair to him, that does sound like a Saim-Hann army to me. Other stuff sounds pretty annoying/frustrating though.
There's honestly nothing "friendly" about 20 Scatterbikes... Saim-Hann is no excuse for trying to cloak what is clearly a donkey punch list behind a veil of "fluffy army". A true "friendly & fluffy" Saim-Hann army is more than doable by simply showing some actual sportsmanship and limiting your Jetbikes to just 1 per 3 taking an upgrade, and perhaps even throwing some Shuricannons into the mix instead of just going for the obvious no-brainer option 110% of the time.
People who insist on spelling out each individual rule as they use them. Well this is movement and since this is infantry it will be moving 6, unless i am going through terrain in which case i have to roll for difficult terrain.............
I played a 1k pt game that went on for over 6 hours and I eventually had to leave because I was going to have a mental break down.
Ghazkuul wrote: People who insist on spelling out each individual rule as they use them. Well this is movement and since this is infantry it will be moving 6, unless i am going through terrain in which case i have to roll for difficult terrain.............
I played a 1k pt game that went on for over 6 hours and I eventually had to leave because I was going to have a mental break down.
Sometimes I do that, but usually at the beginning.
Being the most knowledgeable rules person in our flgs, and people constantly coming up to me interrupting conversations and/or games to ask rules questions. Simple rules questions that they could find in the index, that's easily spelled out in the rules. Then I walk back there and they both have a closed rulebook each on the table.
FFS, WHAT ARE YOU USING THEM FOR!? MOVEMENT TRAYS!?
culsandar wrote: Being the most knowledgeable rules person in our flgs, and people constantly coming up to me interrupting conversations and/or games to ask rules questions. Simple rules questions that they could find in the index, that's easily spelled out in the rules. Then I walk back there and they both have a closed rulebook each on the table.
FFS, WHAT ARE YOU USING THEM FOR!? MOVEMENT TRAYS!?
Today I was asked where to find a models Wounds. By a person whose been playing for several months. It can always be worse...
Me and some friends are organising a campaign. Friend in charge is all souped up about using LoW in it until everyone else turns around and says NO to Primarchs (this being 40K and all [and noone wanting to face an unkillable god] )
He proceeds to suggest and then insist that we all play without LoW 'as it isnt fair because he dosnt have one' (he plays Marines but does not want to use Manliest Cougar). Its a bit of a blow but I can see the logic behind it, although i had wanted to use my (currently WIP) scratch built Baneblade towards the end.
"Sure, Im fine with that. Just so long as we dont use Formations either"
Nope. He wants to use formations as 'they are in the codex'.
I wouldnt mind but:
A, I do not have any and am possibly the only player without them and....
B, unlike the old Apocalypse ones, which I am cool with, these give huge advantages at no extra cost.
He proceeds to suggest and then insist that we all play without LoW 'as it isnt fair because he dosnt have one' (he plays Marines but does not want to use Manliest Cougar).
If he plays Marines, he can take a knight as a LoW.
Anyway, TBF it is not just him though, all the others seem to want to play with formations....
The others being a Grey Knights player, a Chaos player and a Space Wolf player.....
GAdvance wrote: A reply email from them is pretty much regarded as official,
Considering the few e-mails I have seen from Forgeworld support all contain a paragraph stating the customer service representative can not provide official Rulings, only forwarded the concern to the development team for possible inclusion in an official Frequently Asked Question, before going on to offer 'suggested House Rules....'
Consider me a little suspicious when someone claims to have an 'official ruling' via email.
