Are there team-rosters anywhere, legally, if I want to get a leg up on getting some new models for teams? I was just waiting for an excuse to get some Blight Kings from Sigmar to paint, and if they can be converted for BB, so much the better!
Do we know if the current game is intact enough to support all existing teams, as-is? I was going to go Dwarves as well, but might hold off on it for these new plastics.
Old models can still be used, its just this time around that they're really going all-out on sculpting models dedicated to the setting, explicitly stating that this is not part of the Warhammer Fantasy or Age of Sigmar settings, but another one altogether.
As for teams, not much I heard on that sadly, though I highly doubt anything will be invalidated, as they mentioned also wanting to run leagues built around older models as "historical" matches from days gone by.
Oh, there will also be a free app (with in app purchases of course) where you can easily run your own leagues and tournaments.
Interesting on the App front. AoS App has proven an invaluable play-aid, so I am certainly open to anything of the sort.
I may just dive in as far as a Nurgle Team. I'm sure the FW resins will be beautiful, but Blight Kings and a box of Plague-bearers are a few Space Marine Shoulder-Pads away from being a Blood-Bowl team for a fraction of the cost. :-p
From what we were told, the app will have a wifi / blue tooth feature that allows it to link up with other devices that also have the app and share league information with one another, making it easier to keep track of everything.
The Nurgle team will be fun, the catcher art that Mark showed off had a large gaping mouth in the gut for catching balls, instead of a large glove or mitt like most normal catchers.
BrookM wrote: The rules are unchanged, maybe one or two things altered for speed (like replacing the random chit to determine which player is randomly overcome with something by a custom D16), but they are intact and the same as the last version GW put out for download a few years ago.
And yes, if you like it, PLEASE DO SUPPORT THEM WITH YOUR WALLET, because if this proves to be a success they will most certainly pour more resources into this.
My group of 14 hardcore players and a bunch of somewhat reliable players will be buying the game. Thats like 22 box sets that we will be buying.
I really wish GW would have made the pitch's with "mouse pad" material. Mean to say, it would have raised the price of the box set, but using muse pad material would have been great. Our league, The Thursday night Hero's, have switched to cloth or mouse pad pitch's because we wore out the boards from 3rd ed. And the "astro turf" boards from 2nd ed are nice looking, but many of the squares are too small, and its a pain with the board moving.
BrookM wrote: From what we were told, the app will have a wifi / blue tooth feature that allows it to link up with other devices that also have the app and share league information with one another, making it easier to keep track of everything.
The Nurgle team will be fun, the catcher art that Mark showed off had a large gaping mouth in the gut for catching balls, instead of a large glove or mitt like most normal catchers.
The boxed set includes a double sided pitch, one is the classic green field, the other was.. brown if I remember correctly?
They will do more types of pitch as more teams become available, so maybe a change in material will happen as well then?
While we're talking about the pitch, it was pointed out that the Death Roller has the same width as a lane of grass on the game board, this was done as a tongue in cheek reference that the device originally was a lawn mower first and foremost.
Finally, the art of the Goblins shown on the box cover so far has not been final, Mark Bedford did some new sketches and the upcoming Gobbo team will have special headgear, which when looked at from the side, will make their heads look like crescent moons, a classic Gobbo symbol.
People who do not like this feature or want to make their teams look different, no worries, the models have been designed with customisation in mind, plus the idea that upgrade kits or different teams will be sold in the future with different headgear or equipment to make them stand out from the rest.
Automatically Appended Next Post: One last thing I remembered, I'm not sure if this will also be in the rulebook, but Andy tracked down the original artist of the first edition art and asked him to do art for the game, which may, depending on how one feels about it, give it all a very nice retro look.
We also found out that the Facebook posts done in the style of Jim and Bob are done by two people, who each assume one of the characters and have a bit of banter together. They'll make a return to announcing things soon enough, as one of the two is now on a honeymoon IIRC.
BrookM wrote: From what we were told, the app will have a wifi / blue tooth feature that allows it to link up with other devices that also have the app and share league information with one another, making it easier to keep track of everything.
The Nurgle team will be fun, the catcher art that Mark showed off had a large gaping mouth in the gut for catching balls, instead of a large glove or mitt like most normal catchers.
There was a small series of "fantasy football" figures from Green Tree called Slaughter ball. No point looking it up, as the figures are long gone.
Anyway, they has a couple of "nurgle-ish" figures, And one had the mouth in their gut.
I am a very active Blood Bowl league commish, and figure collector. I have almost 2,000 blood bowl/fantasy football figures. The only figures I don't collect are "side line staff: like coaches, cheerleaders, apoth. etc. I do collect Ref figures, and wish GW would come up with fun rules for refs.
I am very excited abouth the re re release`. I hope they update all of the teams. I know thay won't, but I hope.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And btw, when you look for "slaughter ball", those figures ARE NOT the old slaughter ball figures.
They can't do them all in one go, they are going for the core choices (humans and orks) plus the other popular ones (dwarves and skaven) first before moving on to others.
Does any third-party currently make a neoprene, or other nicer pitch-mat that has more generous square-sizes? I think it would be fun to really go nuts with basing for some of the larger models, and yet still have room to clearly knock-down/stun them without the table becoming unreadable at a glance.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Does any third-party currently make a neoprene, or other nicer pitch-mat that has more generous square-sizes? I think it would be fun to really go nuts with basing for some of the larger models, and yet still have room to clearly knock-down/stun them without the table becoming unreadable at a glance.
One last thing I remembered, I'm not sure if this will also be in the rulebook, but Andy tracked down the original artist of the first edition art and asked him to do art for the game, which may, depending on how one feels about it, give it all a very nice retro look.
I hope you are referring to Pete Knifton. I really like his work, both in Blood Bowl and Flintloque. Getting him involved would make this new edition even more welcome to me.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: Every time there is a new release, there's an Australian dude to whine about the prices.
I live in Russia, but you don't see me whining in every thread!
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: Every time there is a new release, there's an Australian dude to whine about the prices.
I live in Russia, but you don't see me whining in every thread!
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: Every time there is a new release, there's an Australian dude to whine about the prices.
I live in Russia, but you don't see me whining in every thread!
There is a good reason for the whining.
Aussies get a free pass on price whining. It's the only guaranteed negativity of a gw release that is always 100% justified
But what does it contribute to the topic?
It's the same point every time, just different product released by GW. It won't change anything, everyone's is aware already, and it doesn't lead anywhere. It's different to regular pricing discussions, because people discuss difference in cost compared to other products. But prices is Australia will always be huge, in three digits most of the time. I know that, and I would be upset too. We all would. Nevertheless it's akin to me complaining, that all GW products will arrive at least a month later and getting "online exclusives " is a pain in the behind, in every release thread.
What raised my eyebrow is the following:
It's claimed, that the only two other plastic teams will be dwarfs and skaven
No mention of elves and nurgle, which is weird to me- we have a lot of dynamic plastic kits for both. Blight kings, plaguebearers, snotlings, witch elves, Mage from Silver tower, Wych elves(ok, not FB, but close)... It's seems to me, it would be easier for them to manufacture teams in plastic They already make fantastic CAD for following forces therefore, we can assume, that they have specialist, that excel in producing similar minis.. Why change the medium? Those teams will be very popular, I could imagine
These will be models in football gear, not models in combat armour running around on a pitch. They want to avoid recycling models or simply going the lazy way about things, so no more old Lord Borak who was an unarmed chaos warrior stuff.
What they could do is a "kickstarter-lite" type of pre-order where they put up preview pics and test models a couple of months ahead, allow people to order based on that and then if there is sufficient interest (£-value of preorders placed) the kit is released in plastic rather than resin.
I'm not talking about rehashes of old kits, but rather about the ability to make (somewhat) similar good quality models Nurgle is nurgle, elves are elves in their core
@Mr_Rose
That doesn't look like a bad idea.. Although, wouldn't just a poll be sufficient?
Like, what team to do in plastic next
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: I'm not talking about rehashes of old kits, but rather about the ability to make (somewhat) similar good quality models Nurgle is nurgle, elves are elves in their core
Right and new plastic tooling is massively more expensive (nearly two orders of magnitude) than resin tooling so if they don't believe they can get the returns on the kit they aren't going to make it.
Indeed, that's the reasoning behind resin teams first before moving on to full plastics. If a team proves popular enough, they will be able to justify retooling them in plastic.
Though if the first run were to.. you know.. sell out completely in a short amount of time.. That might also be an awesome incentive..
@Mr_Rose
That doesn't look like a bad idea.. Although, wouldn't just a poll be sufficient?
Like, what team to do in plastic next
Unfortunately not. Polls are not reliable for this sort of thing due to the lack of commitment on the responders' parts; they are too easy to spoof if you're malicious (conjuring a few thousand spurious votes online is considerably easier than obtaining the same number of legit credit card details) and too easy for the only-marginally-interested to come down in favour of without actually intending to purchase product.
Yeah,
While we can always convert WHFB figures until teams are released,
GW won't want to leave big gaps in the market for 3rd party teams.
Resin is quicker to market than plastic...
The danger of resin releases will be price and the finecast quality stigma...
Imagine the cost of 12 finecast frames
Imagine having to hobby 12 finecast frames
A full roster of 16 might end up past £150
I can see another problem with the rumoured test the water system...
If popular resin teams are remade in plastic; people might think I'll wait it out for the cheaper/better plastic release...
So resin sales are poor and plastic never happens!
I think GW could sell regular £50-£70 expansion packs.
Two teams and some stuff, If the extra content is good enough, most leagues will adopt all new content and players will need to buy the sets to have access to the new random tables, new inducements, new tokens, new templates etc...
Dungeon bowl with Elves and Skaven
Chaos Cup - Chaos team and/or Nurgle team
Undead cup - undead and ??
Rumble in the jungle, Lizards and Amazon.
I don't like working with resin. At all. Cutting it feels, I dunno, wrong to me. Plastic Nurglers would make me buy them, resin ones would make me pass. I don't love their playstyle *that* much
More Skaven are always nice, but their multi-part sets work quite well as stand-ins, IMO. The dwarves seem to have an interesting design, better suited to sport games than their multi kits, but they're quite boring to play.
I'd totally buy those spitballed expansions with two plastic teams in a heartbeat, though, unless the teams look more like the new humans instead of the new Orcs.
- The starter box (humans vs orks) is finished, and produced. No ETA on the release yet, as it's sales management that sets the dates, not FW/SG - The box will contain everything you need to start - the rules (core rules are unchanged, but there will be some expanded ones too in the booklet), markers, dice, a double sided pit and two plastic teams. The sprues are green/blue and you can start to play within a few minutes.
- Next teams in plastic will be Dwarfes, Skaven and Goblins. After this they will look how sales go to decide on future plastic teams, but the plan is to do future teams in resin.
- They also want to do a plastic Troll and Ogre clampack.
- Cheerleaders, Coaches are planned - Starplayers are in. Old and New ones. Maybe we will even get event only Starplayers.
- Special Play Cards are in too - and they are planning on doing event only ones for events and tournament goodie packs.
- No 3D pits atm - they experimented with it, but have found a better solution. Plan is to use battle mats for it, as we already have seen with the 40k and Khorne one from GW prime.
- Dark Elfs will be released sometimes next year in resin (yay!)
- Chaos Dwarfs *will* get done down the line, but not any time soon
- They will release rules for all star players and teams that ever existed, including the ones from the computer game
- The box was produced within 9 months - really fast, as usualy products of that scale have a 2 year prodution cycle
- There will be event only merchandise for Bloodbowl - t-shirt designs are done - "Keep an eye on Facebook for an announcement"
When did getting stuff that lets you lord it over plebs who didn't attend become such a thing rather than, you know, attending for the experience of it? Are people seriously so petty that offering exclusive things makes them more likely to go?
EDIT: And before someone jumps on me, I don't mean silly stuff like event-specific items, a t-shirt with the event name or a pin badge or that kind of "I was at this thing" tat, I mean what GW does where they make products like faction t-shirts and full-on miniatures and then arbitrarily limits their sale to events or even specific locations.
When did getting stuff that lets you lord it over plebs who didn't attend become such a thing rather than, you know, attending for the experience of it? Are people seriously so petty that offering exclusive things makes them more likely to go?
I think it depends. Making a special miniature for a standard profile works. For example, a friend gave me a even-only miniatures for Flint, a Guild Ball player for the Masons (he runs Alchemists, so he didn't want it, while I play Masons only). So, if it's a special version of, say, Morg'n Thorg to commemorate the first of a hopefully annual Warhammer World competition, that's not so bad.
Making up special characters for an event that are unique might be more problematic. I know of some NAF events that allows players to added event-only Star Players to their teams, and they're themed around the event. But that comes with the stipulation that these are third party miniatures - something GW would never allow.
That's still a huge problem, by the way, unless GW has talked about it? In the current climate, a lot of BB veterans might be left out in the cold with their teams from Rolljordan, Impact Miniatures, Willy Miniatures, etc.
When did getting stuff that lets you lord it over plebs who didn't attend become such a thing rather than, you know, attending for the experience of it? Are people seriously so petty that offering exclusive things makes them more likely to go?
EDIT: And before someone jumps on me, I don't mean silly stuff like event-specific items, a t-shirt with the event name or a pin badge or that kind of "I was at this thing" tat, I mean what GW does where they make products like faction t-shirts and full-on miniatures and then arbitrarily limits their sale to events or even specific locations.
I mean, exclusives have been the norm at pretty much every type of con for like, the last 15+ years. I think it's a little weird for game stuff to offer something that only a few people will have to be able to use in the game, but it's nothing new. Better to offer things like shirts and mugs as exclusives, and not actual game pieces/content. At the same time, it's great that there's something extra offered for people at the con, makes it a little more worthwhile.
Eh, I suppose my view on this is really just an extension of my dislike for fake-scarcity in general - I've never seen what value is added to something by virtue of me being able to have one when other people can't, it just seems so monumentally petty. Either it's a cool model/t-shirt/whatever and I want one, or it's not to my taste and I don't, someone else also being able to have one doesn't diminish my enjoyment of it.
I have been co-running a Bloodbowl tourney for the past...geez 9 years and our Event Exclusive miniatures are a great thing that help us a heck of a lot.
We are the biggest tourney in South Australia and I think 2nd or 3rd over all in Aus and I would have to say the vast majority of our success is due to our MVP process.
Through an arcane manner of voting and performance individual players can get their chance to be sculpted. I have even been fortunate to get my Chaos Pact Dark Elf sculpted back in 2013
At any time I think we have a 33/33/33 split between people trying to win the tourney, win the MVP or just there for the enjoyment.
Here are a couple of the prettier examples (Go Pedro Ramos sculpts)
Spoiler:
For the year the event exclusive is provided as a gift to attendees anyone can take them as a Star Player but after that they can just be used as an alternate sculpt for the model, so fro the above examples, could be a Minotaur or Blackhoof, and the Elf can be used as whatever you like, ranging from Chaos Pact Marauder (alternate head) through to whatever flavour of Dark Elf you like.
First, it's not even remotely the same thing as what GW and FW have been doing, ie creating entirely new models with their own rules and then limiting their availability to physical event attendees only, or creating generic alternate sculpts in plastic and then only allowing them to be bought from specific locations.
Second, I'd ask if there's any reason why you restrict the availability of the resulting figure? I mean, if you were only giving it to the person who won the MvP prize, sure, that's a one-off reward, but if anyone who shows up to the event can get one why stop there?
Like I say, I just don't get why people see value in artificial scarcity, either you want it or you don't, whether someone else can also have it has no actual impact on you so why care? And apparently care so much that it actually increases attendence at events?
First - In the context of Bloodbowl there hasn't been any examples of GW or FW creating new profiles for players at any time (that I can recall) Sure this happens in 40k or whatever other branches but until this actually happens in Bloodbowl (as this is the specific context and thread we are talking about) I am quite happy to defend them on that front.
Second - Because it encourages people to attend the event. Having something available in, let's say, a General Release is great and means every one can get one to play at home, in a league or what have you. But you you want people to physically attend your event, and be able to interact with others who enjoy the game, then it is great to have a special sculpt or extra to commemorate that. This is in addition to the nebulous idea of "growing the community" where people who have played together at a tournament then become friends and play the game outside of the tournament situation. Getting that person to take the trip and attend an event is the start to a lot of doors opening. There is a far greater potential for return, both financially and for the community, if you can get a player to attend an event rather than just ordering over the internet. And I am perfectly happy for those people to have access to something for that.
From a business perspective it also means that there is a higher chance more people will attend the events, so they become successful and means a higher chance of them being run again and again, rather than what happened in the pat where there wasn't enough of a return on these events so they dwindled down to almost nothing, before actually becoming nothing.
You may have noticed my little flag is set to Australia, and that means it is usually not possible for me to even attend these events that we are discussing. But you will notice my butt is nice and calm and not even slightly hurt about this fact. (Cheaper GW prices down here would be nice but let's not get crazy now)
Back to my tourney, we make our resulting MVP models available at our events (and due to the fact we are still pretty small potatoes compared to an actual company we also make other deals like having Impact!Miniatures sell some as well) because as you said in the last part, some people care enough to attend because of it.
Under the expectation that this is an alternate model to an existing profile, what has got your panties in a bunch that you won't be able to get it?
If it is a case of "I have a right to be able to get any model I think looks cool" then I can only say is No, you don't. Any and all miniatures are a luxury and sometimes it costs you more to get one than someone else. That cost might be having to pay extra on ebay, or it might be having to pay for a flight.
Weigh up the cost/benefit and if it still works out in your favour then excellent!
If not, suck it up and break out the tools to build that bridge.
bound for glory wrote: I am very excited abouth the re re release`. I hope they update all of the teams. I know thay won't, but I hope.
I really hope they do re-release all or at least most of the old teams. Personally I really have no great interest in either the Human or Orc teams, but I'd love to update my old Lizardmen team (which was made up of rebased WFB plastics rather than the official BB metal figures) or put together the Ogre team I never got around to before it all went OOP.
News from Essen, Germany, where it looks like the stadium is being constructed ready to show-off the new season of Blood Bowl game at the Spiel Game Fair, opening tomorrow.
It's looking great so far, Jim, but where is Essen?
I'm pretty sure it's just west of Reikland, Bob. But that's not all, we'll have some more big news about the new game tomorrow...
Haven't watched the video yet, but the site is great. I'm starting to get really excited about this. I'd never really thought about Blood Bowl before, but they are doing a really nice job with the presentation that kinda makes me want to give it a shot!
Getting psyched for this new boxed set. BB is one of my most favorite games. Noticed the new blood bowl website also has a few downloads (blank roster sheets plus a decent intro to the rules).
You know, by the time Blood Bowl became any sort of thing among the folk I gamed with, the first Blood Bowl PC game was already out, and after BB2 I honestly never saw any need to start playing the tabletop version.
Having seen the unboxing though(which was almost bang on, though they really need to have a closecam setup focused on the table so they can cut to detail shots of the sprues), I'm going to have to actively resist the temptation to revive the Mordheim Comets in miniature form. Credit where it's due, good work GW.
bound for glory wrote: I've been playing blood bowl since the paper standups, and I can tell you its a great game.
Do yourself a favor: build 16 players. 12 players are more for "one off's".
He's right! when painting up a team you wanna over kill your options. Once a league starts you'll have all positional options covered. So when your team wins and makes money you can pick a choose more player to build your team, depending on how the other teams are doing. Without the need to dash off and get the new guys painted.
My Orc team has 21 players to choose from! 4 Black orcs, 4 Blitzers, 7 Linemen, 1 Chucker a Troll and 4 Goblins So I can build bashy getting up to a full set of 4 black orcs and 4 blitzers! or sneaky with a troll and few goblins..
The number of guys in the BloodBowl starter set is pretty good. A team sheet can have 16 players. Positions have limits!
6 Linemen is probably enough although 8 would be better.
While the number of guys in the starter is pretty good. However to make a expanded flexible team, it almost requires us to buy two core sets! unless they have team boosters available. Like with 40k boxes trading out half the sets is an option.
Orcs 12/16 linemen (probabily paint 6-8, you'll never use them all!) 4/4 black orcs 4/4 blitzers 4/2 throwers (too many!) 0/1 troll 0/4 goblins
Yes! I'm really impressed with the contents of that box. This is a game you can take to one of those boardgame pubs and have a few pints with. Good pedigree, FW backing the Specialist Games arm, very open and friendly attitude from the whole thing.
I'm in, all the way. I still cannot decide on a team, but given the size of teams, that doesn't matter, I can get several.
While Blood Bowl is kind of played out for me, the figs are stunning. My only complaint is that the orcs are way too big for a team that is barely above average in combat.
Do they say in the unboxing video there will be only be rules for humans & orc teams in the starter set? Could someone see details which are? Did they mention anything new about the Death Zone expansion at the Euro Open Day? There were seminar reports from earlier events saying Death Zone would be released with the starter set
Automatically Appended Next Post: New photos (from Spiel in Essen I guess) - via War of Sigmar blog
We'll, I guess I'm going to need two boxes of skaven! Mordheim and blood bowl And I didn't expect dwarves to look so great!!! I'm tempted to buy them as well... The only team I find lackluster is humans.. They are kinda boring, especially next to their opponents
Do they say in the unboxing video there will be only be rules for humans & orc teams in the starter set?
They will release rules for all teams that ever existed, but maybe just online (which is probably the best way). No squating of teams. Can't wait for resin dark elfs and lizardmen now (and chaos dwarfs in the far distant future :< ).
Not a huge fan of the Dwarfs myself, but that's an aesthetics thing rather than quality - I like my stunties with big heads and no knees, rather than the modern LotR-ish scaling.
The Skaven though, those are getting pillaged for Mordheim for sure.
Do they say in the unboxing video there will be only be rules for humans & orc teams in the starter set?
They will release rules for all teams that ever existed, but maybe just online (which is probably the best way). No squating of teams. Can't wait for resin dark elfs and lizardmen now (and chaos dwarfs in the far distant future :< ).
I see, and it is a better idea than print, good point.
Rules same as Blood Bowl 2 on pc? Which is almost identical to Living Rulebook 6? Or do they take one step further and make a new edition? Or half a step, similar but somewhat different?
Where are the big guys? Rat burger, deathroller, troll, ogre?
Will the same models be sold outside the box? Will you be able to buy additional miniatures to fill complete teams of orcs and humans? Will all the teams be made? When can we expect Norse? Halflings? Goblins? Ogres? Necromantic?
Seems like the starter box may be missing some players and be in shortage of others.
Will Star Players be sold separately? Will we see a complete set of Star Players or just a small selection?
I have a couple of 2nd and 3rd edition teams, they'll be shelfed instantly. I also have a team from an independent studio. The things out there on kickstarter, ebay and other shops are quite impressive.
But I think once again GW will take the 1st place when it comes to miniature quality, details, design and poses.
The teams in the starter box, you get 2 identical sprues, so there will be duplicate poses?
Really like those dwarfs! I wonder if you will be able to kit bash them with the iron breakers etc.. Do they come in an expansion alongside Skaven or as an individual box?
Rules same as Blood Bowl 2 on pc? Which is almost identical to Living Rulebook 6? Or do they take one step further and make a new edition? Or half a step, similar but somewhat different?
One thing that has been pointed out to me by a friend, in the examples given on the website (the drills pdf) it gives an example of a Human Catcher dodging into two tacklezones needing a 6+.
This was previously a 5+ (Starting on a 3+ for an empty square and then +1 difficulty for each tacklezone)
This is either 1) a change to the rules meaning you no longer get the +1 to the roll when dodging or 2) a mistake.
SJM - On the other side of coin there, I am glad they are not changing it up just so they can say "NEW AND IMPROVED"
Also, care to share what parts you think are wrong?
I have a bone to pick with the Interception roll happening before the pass roll ("it's thematic" - JJ) but other than the complaints that Woodies are a bit too awesome in Resi Tourneys/too soft in Leagues I am not too sure what else is "so much wrong."
SJM wrote: Think I'm a little Bloodbowled out to get excited about this, not changing the rules seems lazy.
So much wrong with the game, which I'm sure has been covered.
Rather the rules stay the same than the current GW "braintrust" try to improve on them with horrific result (ok, the newer boardgames are allegedly done by a FW wing so they could perhaps make a decent job).
I've personally never been a big fan of the philosophy that certain of the BB teams are supposed to be much worse than others but it seems like the current fanbase like that so it might as well continue. As long as it's clear for any beginner that some teams are fighting uphill and are for experienced coaches only I'll live with it.
My only real problem with BB is that some teams are so boring (often the same that's supposed to be worse). Why is the halfling team for exemple composed of only one(!) type of halfling (plus treemen), when other teams have throwers, catchers, blitzers and blockers? I'd add the options for every team to upgrade linemen to two or more specialist types. We could even have it be the same cost for everyone so that halflings et al still stay bad but at least they get some variation.
Vain wrote: SJM - On the other side of coin there, I am glad they are not changing it up just so they can say "NEW AND IMPROVED"
Also, care to share what parts you think are wrong?
I have a bone to pick with the Interception roll happening before the pass roll ("it's thematic" - JJ) but other than the complaints that Woodies are a bit too awesome in Resi Tourneys/too soft in Leagues I am not too sure what else is "so much wrong."
Love to grab a new perspective on this.
Everyone complains about Wood Elves in tournaments (and totally should), but on the OP/power curve, Dwarves are insane as well. Both could stand to see some nerfing.
sorry was trying to post a picture from BB of the skaven team, they have been posted on their official facebook page.
I hope someone else can, as it appear that I'm unable to.
MrDwhitey wrote: My first game was with a bad goblin list against a pro dwarf player.
I think it was my last too, not sure.
I'm so... so.... sorry.
I once went to a tournament insistent on using my Ogres. I had a similarly horrible experience. :-p
I for one, am not in the camp of fans who liked the "tiered power-levels" of armies. I feel like highly competitive groups will use the "too good" teams as a crutch, and likewise no one ever tries the fun, but objectively "bad" teams.
MrDwhitey wrote: My first game was with a bad goblin list against a pro dwarf player.
I think it was my last too, not sure.
I'm so... so.... sorry.
I once went to a tournament insistent on using my Ogres. I had a similarly horrible experience. :-p
I for one, am not in the camp of fans who liked the "tiered power-levels" of armies. I feel like highly competitive groups will use the "too good" teams as a crutch, and likewise no one ever tries the fun, but objectively "bad" teams.
I had no idea what I was doing and he was introducing me to the game. Oh well.
With this release my enthusiasm is rekindled at least.
While I love this release and can understand it having limited resources, it's disappointing to see the number of repeated sculpts. Plus you'll be needing at least two boxes to make a league team of 16.
Yeah,
So far it's all plastic 6 man sprues
3 linemen
1 blitzer
1 runner / catcher/ black orc
1 slayer / thrower
Each team gets two sprues hence the double poses.
The hope is blister packs for extra slayers/runners/blackorcs/catchers
So we can get to 16 players without buy players we don't need/want.
I think it will be interesting to see if folks convert the new teams to create the positionals they want. For example, I don't think it would be very difficult to change up two of the human Linemen and label them as Blitzers. I realize these aren't multi-pose models, but small changes to the helmets or pads (with differing paint job and base ring/label) would not be hard to pull off.
For some models, of course, this just won't work (for example, I can't see changing the Dwarf Slayers to any other position).
There is plenty of BB articles around for how to start a team, and build it. The starting sets here are not far of - ofc, getting max blitzers, black orcs and gutter runners will be important.
Must say I never managed to get the dwarfs working, in spite of this. Takes so long to get SPP.
Those skaven would make great nightrunners. It is time we learnt the prices of these kits. If they are not too expensive I will be buying a lot of bloodbowl stuff.
I'll definitely be getting this, I guess I have been out of the loop for a while cause I only now found out about this new set. I mean, I always kind of figured GW was going to reboot Blood Bowl soon anyways. But I do think the models leave a bit to be desired. The Orks kind of lack their ape-like big head and arms look, and are really heavily armored in a way that reminds of the AoS orruks. I kind of like the style from the artwork for the BB video games. There are a ton of duplicate models as well, not one unique model in the set from what I can tell. The Skaven are just okay, kind of bland poses. Hopefully GW keeps the pricing a bit low this time around. I can see how WH quest and stuff could be expensive as that set contained some of the best warhammer sculpts i've seen in years and has a ton of unique models. Hopefully the sense of humor in the game is still intact, but from looking at the rather intense orcs and humans I might say....perhaps not.
MrDwhitey wrote: My first game was with a bad goblin list against a pro dwarf player.
I think it was my last too, not sure.
I'm so... so.... sorry.
I once went to a tournament insistent on using my Ogres. I had a similarly horrible experience. :-p
I for one, am not in the camp of fans who liked the "tiered power-levels" of armies. I feel like highly competitive groups will use the "too good" teams as a crutch, and likewise no one ever tries the fun, but objectively "bad" teams.
I had no idea what I was doing and he was introducing me to the game. Oh well.
With this release my enthusiasm is rekindled at least.
My enthusiasm is rekindled, too.
Didn't have quite the experience you guys spoke about but the guy showing me (with starter box teams) was intent on crushing me.
I guess he wanted to prove his superior grasp of the game's strategy after dozens of plays
I love the colours of the dwarves and will do them like for like. My GW manager said the plastic teams will retail at £20 each!?!?!? If this is only a £20 investment I am even more eager. I only hope I can get the rules outside the box game. Does anyone know? I guess they'll be a payable download in the app.
Bottle wrote: I love the colours of the dwarves and will do them like for like. My GW manager said the plastic teams will retail at £20 each!?!?!? If this is only a £20 investment I am even more eager. I only hope I can get the rules outside the box game. Does anyone know? I guess they'll be a payable download in the app.
I wonder if that'll be 20 for one sprue like is in the boxed set, and you need two to play? Even still, seems pretty fair. I may end up with a couple teams if they are that affordable.
Jackal wrote: Love the models but really not set on the colours.
Just something about it just doesn't look right to me.
Don't think the pink gems help either lol.
Yeah Im hoping its the paint job but not really blown away by those Dwarfs; hopefully get to see more photos of them to get a better impression.
As I've already got Dwarfs I'll probably hold out and pick up the Skaven team or one of the other new releases...really hope they roll this out properly and do a huge range of teams!!
Bottle wrote: I love the colours of the dwarves and will do them like for like. My GW manager said the plastic teams will retail at £20 each!?!?!? If this is only a £20 investment I am even more eager. I only hope I can get the rules outside the box game. Does anyone know? I guess they'll be a payable download in the app.
That would be amazing. If GW offers this in plastic for £20:
Then that's going to blow comparable lines out of the water, like Black Scorpion's resin Vermin team for £24.
As for rules, I really hope GW take a step in the right direction and makes them free. They've been available for so long, and apparently aren't changing much, that it'd seem a little disingenuous to take it back, slap some new pictures and color into the doc, and then charge people for it.
MrDwhitey wrote: My first game was with a bad goblin list against a pro dwarf player.
I think it was my last too, not sure.
Ha!
I played the old PC game back in the day. Then I thought I'd give the board game a try. So I fielded a new Dark Elves team against a strong Dwarf team in an ongoing league under whichever edition it was that encouraged you to foul on every stinkin' play. I might have had 3 deaths that game, I can't remember exactly. I do remember dusting myself off and playing Chaos in the next game. I think I lost 2 more players that game and then never played BB again.
Vorian wrote: If Neophytes are £25 for 10 in a full multipart kit, then £20 for duplicate sprue 3 part models seems pretty realistic.
It makes you wonder what the price of add-ons will be. For the Skaven team, I can see a set of two more Gutter Runners, three more Linerats, and a Rat Ogre. Maybe in resin. What would Forge World charge for that?
Vorian wrote: If Neophytes are £25 for 10 in a full multipart kit, then £20 for duplicate sprue 3 part models seems pretty realistic.
It makes you wonder what the price of add-ons will be. For the Skaven team, I can see a set of two more Gutter Runners, three more Linerats, and a Rat Ogre. Maybe in resin. What would Forge World charge for that?
Half a kidney would be about there going rate maybe a whole kidney depending on how big the rat ogre is.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Ogre sized player's were a bit cheaper - but then the basic plastic teams are pretty cheap so it's not lime you'll be forced to spend loads
SlaveToDorkness wrote: I'm looking hard at converting the Silver Tower acolytes and Tzaangors into a team for this new iteration!
I knew I was not the only one with the same idea. Tzaangor with two hand weapons is good to go but the other two need some work. Acolytes are bit easier. The one in running pose is going to be awesome! Now all we need is a rules for Pink Horror (Star Player?) who splits into two players if injured...
In addition, I'm going to build a Khorne team because Bloodbowl Bloodbound Bloodreavers is simply too good a name to not use...
Nurgle Rotters team built from Plaguebearer and Blight Kings (or Forsaken). Gutrot Spume converted into Star Player!
You read my mind Jullevi. I am currently building a Nurgle team out of some Beastmen i'm converting to Pestigors, a box of Blight Kings, a box of Plaguebearers, and I am actually using Gutrot Spume as a Beast of Nurgle, as he's both covered in appropriate tentacles, and better fits the board-size.
Boys, we are talking about GW here and I am willing to bet that the plastic teams won't be 20pounds. Just because someone said his local said they will be 20, certainly does not mean that they will be 20.
Mean to say, its a "wait and see" kinda thing, right?
If they are only twenty I would probably get each team, if they are twice that, I will just wait for the one I want !
Its really in their interest to do them for around 20 - 25 quid as they will sell a hell of a lot more, its is GW we are talking about though, I guess we get to see if they really have changed that much !
Prometheum5 wrote: I wonder if that'll be 20 for one sprue like is in the boxed set, and you need two to play? Even still, seems pretty fair. I may end up with a couple teams if they are that affordable.
You'll get what's in the picture, 12 dudes. That I promise. Dunno about price.
It is worth mentioning that Gw has never put out a boxed game that costs more than the individual price of the minis it contains. So bloodbowl for £40 or less then.
The dwarves do look cool, but sort of lack the classic viking style. Their gear doesn't look too sporty either, which is one of the things I liked about the aesthetics of Blood Bowl 2 (for ps4). Doing head swaps on the Skaven shouldn't be overly difficult, but i'd surprised the dwarves got head options while the Skaven aren't? I'd think the Skaven would be the easier option for just a head sculpt. I wouldn't mind seeing beastmen and chaos undivided (traditional chaos) or Khorne as a combined team as well.
I secretly hope FW does undead relatively soon. I have awesome Wights, Mummies, and Ghouls from Willy, but the Mordheim Metabolic Challengers need some good zombie sculpts asap.
Well, 12 figures are fine for "one off" games. As you have 11 figures on board and 1 figure in reserve. No need for a bigger roster, as its just a one off, and no point have a deep bench.
Most other companies these days have 16 figure teams. 15 normal players and a "big guy", and thats a better set to buy if you are in a league. This way, you have more players to add as your roster opens up.
The last 2 "official" blood bowl teams GW made, humans and pro elves, had 16 figures, 16 different sculpts.
Why they would go back to 12 figures has me scratching my head, too.
Automatically Appended Next Post: But going back to 12 figures makes me think that old granny is up to her old tricks. In this case, charge a good(meaning big) hefty price for the first 12 figures, then charge a bunch for the 4 figure packs(they did this before).
Hey, I own every blood bowl figure GW ever made, with the exception of side line staff. I will buy everything blood bowl GW makes for the new version of the game. But I don't try to fool myself with thinking granny will charge 20pounds for a team.
I don't know what they will cost, but GW is still GW.
I was discussing this with a friend the other day based on the Orc sprue.
You get:
2 Identical Throwers (not a problem for most as you normally run 1 Thrower at a time)
2 Identical Blitzers (can be a bit visually lame when you want all 4 on the pitch at once.)
2 Identical Black Orc Blockers (can be a bit visually lame when you want all 4 on the pitch at once.)
6 Lineorcs (3 individual sculpts to ad variety)
In this situation it opens up a nice market niche for a 2 Blitzer + 2 Blocker extra set.
If we are lucky they are all individual sculpts, so you have 3 individual sculpts across 4 players per position.
If we are not lucky we just get a booster pack to fill out the team nicely.
If we are unlucky, there is no booster pack and you need to get two more full sprues for the extra blitzers/blockers.
I wouldn't have much of a problem if you have the basic team and then a booster if you want the full 16 etc.
I don't know about new BB players....But my whole BB league is basically not buying the box set based on the 12 man team issue alone. Which makes me sad.
I'm buying it...but I'm apparently a sucker...
And this brings up an interesting question. Long time players will have e a bunch aof teams already plus pitches balls dice etc etc. So only having 12 players (not all individuals either) is gonna make most of them shrug and say ..no thanks.
I wonder if GW had considered this..or ..just doesn't care.
Regardless new players are always welcome. If they like the game...then they will join a league..and probably end up supporting the 3rd party miniature makers out there.
They've made it 12 players because they can then make 6 positions, include 2 sprues and have a playable team for the absolute minimum investment (just like the original box).
This lets them keep the price down, in the impulse buy range, and let's them release as many teams as possible.
If you're then going to play this regularly to the point you want a team suitable for a league you need to spend a little more. You'll still get a fully playable league team you can use for years and years for about the price of one tank.
Hoping for 6+ teams of 16 individual sculpts all in plastic and for £20 - £25 is not living in the real world.
Well, I guess the guys in our league are thinking different.
All(16 people) are planning on buying the set, and most are like me and will buy the teams GW make for the new set.
I don't think of myself, or my friends, as "suckers". This is a good thing GW are doing. Blood bowl is a great game.
Heck, I own well over 2,000 blood bowl/fantasy football figures. I have lost count of how many complete teams I have. I really don't care if there are repeats on the teams. I'm just happy GW decided to make blood bowl FIRST in the new line of "throw back" games.
Like with prices, I am in the "wait and see" catagory. reguarding the figures.
Thats about all we can do. If anything, I'm very surprised we hav'nt seen a release date as of yet. What with all the hubbub all the sudden, I keep thinking everytime I get a notice about this thread, that we got a release date.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And also, according to the GW vid, the game is ready to go.
So what are they waiting for, I wonder?
I don't think this will be their big xmas thing, right? Thats reserved for 40k, I thought...
They've made it 12 players because they can then make 6 positions, include 2 sprues and have a playable team for the absolute minimum investment (just like the original box).
This lets them keep the price down, in the impulse buy range, and let's them release as many teams as possible.
If you're then going to play this regularly to the point you want a team suitable for a league you need to spend a little more. You'll still get a fully playable league team you can use for years and years for about the price of one tank.
Hoping for 6+ teams of 16 individual sculpts all in plastic and for £20 - £25 is not living in the real world.
I never said anything about pricing. i expect 16 minis all individual sculpts with big guy will cost as much as I pay for a team now. 60-70 bucks.
Just..as league play...you need more than 12 minis. I totally get the core box only being that. That's what the original game was sure. But the skaven and dwarves also look like just 12 players.
The longevity of this game is league play. league play requires more than 12. I'm curious as to how they are gonna handle that is all. Blister packs, upgrade sprues, clam packs etc etc. Will they cost alot..will they be affordable. You know..asking question on a forum where people ask questions.
All(16 people) are planning on buying the set, and most are like me and will buy the teams GW make for the new set.
I don't think of myself, or my friends, as "suckers". This is a good thing GW are doing. Blood bowl is a great game.
Heck, I own well over 2,000 blood bowl/fantasy football figures. I have lost count of how many complete teams I have. I really don't care if there are repeats on the teams. I'm just happy GW decided to make blood bowl FIRST in the new line of "throw back" games.
Don't get me wrong...I too am looking forward to this purchase. Just my league doesn't seem to excited. I just have questions.
Also...2000? Jiminy.
The longevity of this game is league play. league play requires more than 12. I'm curious as to how they are gonna handle that is all. Blister packs, upgrade sprues, clam packs etc etc. Will they cost alot..will they be affordable. You know..asking question on a forum where people ask questions.
I think it was initially rumoured or talked about by the developers at games day(?) or the forge world open day that forge world would be responsible for the teams beyond the plastic starter teams. So potentially they will produce alternative sculpts and more players for existing teams?
Sure, I introduced pricing. If they can keep it to £20 a team it's in impulse purchase range, something we know they are trying to strengthen their position in.
By keeping all the plastic teams to 2×6 sculpts their minimal budget stretches to the most teams possible and broadens the appeal.
A dedicated player shouldn't really baulk at £40 for a team, surely.
rayphoton wrote: I'm used to being able to get all 16 players at once I suppose. Greedy and impatient I am.
Regardless good times. New minis. More bloodbowl players. All good
Why do you think you won't be able to? Additional figures will be provided by FW, one assumes in FW resin, so there's no reason they can't launch extras/alternates/big critters around the same time as the plastic boxes. They might not of course, but they'd have to be pretty daft to put out a plastic team and then wait 6+ months to release the upgrades and addons for it, given how paranoid they are about third-party companies producing models to fill gaps in their range(to the point where they will actively cull cool stuff because they don't at present make models for them).
Prices for teams are already quite high, specially when including big guys.
A full team from kickstarter, ebay, impact miniatures, black scoprion and others would typically cost 40-99£. And you would add shipping and customs to that.
yeah,
I'm unsure what my plan is. I already have loads of teams including metal orc and humans.
I have 4 pitches already...
However I 100% need to have the new board and dice in my life!
If GW have team boosters It's be a easy one box and boost up to 16 player teams.
no boosters :(
Most likely option is buy a box and sell the minis.
or one box and seek a player to trade orcs for humans so we both have one full team.
But I could get caught up in the madness and just buy two boxes to make both teams.
I'm super excited by the new block dice and hope all teams get new dice!
multiple colours will sell great too!
SlaveToDorkness wrote: Does GW sell 32mm bases separately? Or better yet, are there companies making rein 32s yet? Since my existing teams will need rebasing.
GW sells both plain and textured 32mm bases, but they are all solid (no slots), and there is at least one 2rd party that sells adapter rings to turn 25 into 32.
That said, if you wait until the BB release, I expect GW will release a set of 32mm BB specific bases with the slot and the hole for the ball.
Tentatively excited, was planning on grabbing a box of ironjaw brutes along with the game and combining parts until I had 16 distinct guys and a coach or cheerleader or something.
Then I'd move on to try and convert some wildriders and various leftover bits I've accrued over the years to see if I can implement my AoS deer-centaur guys into an acceptable wood elf team.
The old pitch has 32mm squares. Not sure where you get 29mm from?
Wrong. The old pitch's squares were 29mm.
Automatically Appended Next Post: 29mm or there abouts.
Do you mean the cardboard one and not the older plastic/styrofoam pitch?
I'm pretty sure I've measured those cardboard squares some time ago when I rebased a buddys ogres. I considered either 30mm or 32mm bases but went with 32mm since they fit on the squares and the ogres needed as much base area they could get.
I don't have any pitch around to check though. Anyone who could take a picture with a measure stick in the pic?
The 2nd ed astrogranit pitch was small even by 3rd ed standards.
It is an accepted rule that the 3rd ed squares were between 28mm and 30mm. It all depends on where on the fold out pitch you messure.
If you care to head over to talkfantasyfootball and search "home made pitches", you will quickly see that 99% of people making a pitch make the squares 29mm.
The other 1% go for the 40mm squares that are all the rage these days. The 40mm squares work well with big guys going prone.
One store is definitely doing a midnight release for Blood Bowl and that's the Cribbs Causeway store in Bristol (UK).
Info from the store staff is that the current plan from HQ is that the main box set will release at £65. They seem to be targeting the Dark Vengeance price point rather than the Warhammer Quest.
It is an accepted rule that the 3rd ed squares were between 28mm and 30mm. It all depends on where on the fold out pitch you messure.
If you care to head over to talkfantasyfootball and search "home made pitches", you will quickly see that 99% of people making a pich make the square 29mm.
The other 1% go for the 40mm squares that are all the rage these days. The 40mm squares work well with big guys going prone.
I've always done it with 28mm squares when creating custom boards, but I am glad with the size increase coming.
Too many of models I have bought in the last 5 years are larger than the GW original teams so even the regular linemen players take up more than the 28-30mm square's space.
elaverick wrote: One store is definitely doing a midnight release for Blood Bowl and that's the Cribbs Causeway store in Bristol (UK).
Info from the store staff is that the current plan from HQ is that the main box set will release at £65. They seem to be targeting the Dark Vengeance price point rather than the Warhammer Quest.
I hope that info is wrong. £65 is way too expensive. If the 24 pushfit regular size models equal the cultists and the chosen. Then the bloodbowl board equals two chaos heroes, a hell brute, 2 marine heroes, 10 marines, 3 bikes and 5 terminators.
Honestly £50 would be expensive for the contents in the box.
I seem to remember Blood Bowl was £50 for the last boxed set back when GW stocked it before it was pulled so I seriously doubt the new one will be less than that.
As I said before gw has a policy of making their boxed games look like a 'deal' compared to buying the models seperately. A £65 boxed would mean that the teams consisting of push fit models with only six designs and very few options would retail for more than £30 each.
Mainly because you only ever buy one team of them from that seller. You don't buy 5 sets of them like you would a box of Tactical Marines or what have you so the creators are never going to get the same sort of revenue from them, and this means they need to charge more to make it worth their while. All comes down to economies of scale.
I must admit, the twelve man teams and the make up of those teams, kind of put me off buying the starter box when it comes out.
It does not really leave you with much team choice.
This is why I reckon I will just wait for my teams ( Elves and Chaos ) to get released, as it seems im probably going to have to buy extra clampacks or whatever to get the team I actually want.
Twelve man teams is just the bare minimum to allow for casual games a few times a year.
To really explore the game and the team, one needs variety. Having anything less than all positions available in full numbers pluss standard linemen to fill out the rest will be lackluster.
At least big guys are often easy to get from Fantasy, like Treeman for Wood Elves, Ogres, Minotaur, Troll etc.
To fill in the rest of the blitzers, runners/catchers and others, you really need models in the same design range as the one you got. Or it will not have a good "team" look.
I think it's pretty certain we will have a fleshed out range with all sorts of different upgrade parts, staff members, lots of different teams... but the plastic budget is small, so these things will be resin and priced accordingly.
12 man base teams leaves GW (Forgeworld) with the opening to sell resin special character figures, or alternate poses. It fills the quota for base teams and gets it on the shelf of toy stores and is a good start for getting people into the game. Then they sell all the add ons.
£65 is currently about $80, so I think it'll hit the shelves at $100, though $80 shelf price would be great.
There's going to be a problem, however, if the resin extra players suffer from Forgeworld prices or Finecast quality.
If a small company like Black Scorpion can make a star player character that looks like this for £4:
Then it's somewhat disconcerting for players to then have to buy an additional 4-8 players, depending on teams, at prices that are 3-4 times that, or even more.
Baxx wrote: Twelve man teams is just the bare minimum to allow for casual games a few times a year.
To really explore the game and the team, one needs variety. Having anything less than all positions available in full numbers pluss standard linemen to fill out the rest will be lackluster.
At least big guys are often easy to get from Fantasy, like Treeman for Wood Elves, Ogres, Minotaur, Troll etc.
To fill in the rest of the blitzers, runners/catchers and others, you really need models in the same design range as the one you got. Or it will not have a good "team" look.
Thank you Baxx!!!...this is what I was trying to say earlier
Making your own teams is really not that expensive to be honest. I mean if you come from a WFB background you probably have enough spares to go around.
As for consistent looks is a bit relative too, depends on your preference because a dwarf is a dwarf and as such you can look around other companies too.
Actually looking at those orcs I think on getting some for my AoS force.
To try to self motivate myself to paint here is my BB team ready for painting… they were done what? years ago?
elaverick wrote: One store is definitely doing a midnight release for Blood Bowl and that's the Cribbs Causeway store in Bristol (UK).
Info from the store staff is that the current plan from HQ is that the main box set will release at £65. They seem to be targeting the Dark Vengeance price point rather than the Warhammer Quest.
I hope that info is wrong. £65 is way too expensive. If the 24 pushfit regular size models equal the cultists and the chosen. Then the bloodbowl board equals two chaos heroes, a hell brute, 2 marine heroes, 10 marines, 3 bikes and 5 terminators.
Honestly £50 would be expensive for the contents in the box.
+1.
Guess that shuts up the blokes what went on and on about Gw's desire to keep the game inexpensive.
I'm thinking they will be sorely disappointed in the team prices, also.
Do they say in the unboxing video there will be only be rules for humans & orc teams in the starter set?
They will release rules for all teams that ever existed, but maybe just online (which is probably the best way). No squating of teams. Can't wait for resin dark elfs and lizardmen now (and chaos dwarfs in the far distant future :< ).
My copy arrived today for review and we'll play the two teams in the box first but I wanna work my Chaos Dwarfs and Norse teams in until we get the dwarfs and next set of team releases. This box is gorgeous! Review coming up soon!
Do they say in the unboxing video there will be only be rules for humans & orc teams in the starter set?
They will release rules for all teams that ever existed, but maybe just online (which is probably the best way). No squating of teams. Can't wait for resin dark elfs and lizardmen now (and chaos dwarfs in the far distant future :< ).
My copy arrived today for review and we'll play the two teams in the box first but I wanna work my Chaos Dwarfs and Norse teams in until we get the dwarfs and next set of team releases. This box is gorgeous! Review coming up soon!
Looking forward to that review but seems strange to do it before announcing the price of the box.
Edit new art.
I like the miniatures even more than the painting.
BTW you know that 12 is the optimum number of players for leagues on FUMBBL? It keeps team rating low. For dwarfs 12 is perfectly fine. For orks and skaven you would like to have access to 4 of each of their specialists. Orks could use a reel in though and not make a starting team with 4 blitzers and 4 blockers.
If it comes in at fifty quid or so, I'll buy it as soon as it's out. If it's much more, I'll probably hold off until I've got a couple more planned purchases out the way.
Automatically Appended Next Post: More than £50 for a box with 24 push-fits innit does seem rather steep to me, particularly given the number and variety of figures in GW's recent box games.
infinite_array wrote: There's going to be a problem, however, if the resin extra players suffer from Forgeworld prices or Finecast quality.
If a small company like Black Scorpion can make a star player character that looks like this for £4:
Then it's somewhat disconcerting for players to then have to buy an additional 4-8 players, depending on teams, at prices that are 3-4 times that, or even more.
Well they're going to be Forgeworld resin, so expecting less than Forgeworld prices will be setting yourself up for disappointment. They won't be £4 per mini, that's for sure.
Waaargh wrote: I like the miniatures even more than the painting.
BTW you know that 12 is the optimum number of players for leagues on FUMBBL? It keeps team rating low. For dwarfs 12 is perfectly fine. For orks and skaven you would like to have access to 4 of each of their specialists. Orks could use a reel in though and not make a starting team with 4 blitzers and 4 blockers.
Low TR / TV is overrated !
I dont mind paying a bit more for a team where I can actually tailor it to suit my needs, as you say it affects some races more than others also, twelve men just does not cut it for me, It would be ok for starters I guess.
I wish I had time to convert a team, I would like to have a go with the Dwarves but im not a fan of the new sculpts for the dwarf team, Im just hoping that the elves and Chaos look much better !!
Vorian wrote: If lost patrol is £35 and B@C and BoP are £95... I have a very hard time believing blood bowl will be £65
FW is known for expensive stuff and last time SG's were around prices were ridiculous(~10£ for one stinking epic squiggoth? When you easily need few dozen and are tiny as hell miniatures?). I don't have hard time believing. 65£ isn't even that ridiculous price.
Waaargh wrote: I like the miniatures even more than the painting.
BTW you know that 12 is the optimum number of players for leagues on FUMBBL? It keeps team rating low. For dwarfs 12 is perfectly fine. For orks and skaven you would like to have access to 4 of each of their specialists. Orks could use a reel in though and not make a starting team with 4 blitzers and 4 blockers.
You know what's not optimum? The combination of 12 players you're getting.
The argument is not that you need to field 16 or more players (which would be illegal). The argument is you need a full team, all positions maxed out including big guy to experience the full depth of the game and of the team. Maybe some teams have a position you don't need to max out. But in case of Orcs, you definitly want max Black Orcs,max Blitzers.
One thing that could drive up the cost of the extra teams is if they include physical cards for the players etc. Which IMO is really needed, I like having the cards for the teams. We already know the extra teams come with extra markers/balls/themed plastic parts aside from the players themselves. I remember with WHQ silver tower they had extra heroes digitally but I didn't like having to constantly mess with my phone during the game to reference their stats.
Thargrim wrote: One thing that could drive up the cost of the extra teams is if they include physical cards for the players etc. Which IMO is really needed, I like having the cards for the teams. We already know the extra teams come with extra markers/balls/themed plastic parts aside from the players themselves. I remember with WHQ silver tower they had extra heroes digitally but I didn't like having to constantly mess with my phone during the game to reference their stats.
And on that note,GW actually listened and came out with a separate card expansion for Silver Tower.
It takes the electronic hero cards and makes them nice cards.
Hopefully, they'll do something similar for BB.
MrDwhitey wrote: I had no idea what I was doing and he was introducing me to the game. Oh well.
With this release my enthusiasm is rekindled at least.
If your opponent was introducing you to the game and proceeded to curb-stomp you with his powergamer list, he was a douche bag. I'm sorry that was your first experience with what is normally a very fun game and I hope you give this new edition a chance.
Thargrim wrote: One thing that could drive up the cost of the extra teams is if they include physical cards for the players etc. Which IMO is really needed, I like having the cards for the teams. We already know the extra teams come with extra markers/balls/themed plastic parts aside from the players themselves. I remember with WHQ silver tower they had extra heroes digitally but I didn't like having to constantly mess with my phone during the game to reference their stats.
And on that note,GW actually listened and came out with a separate card expansion for Silver Tower. It takes the electronic hero cards and makes them nice cards. Hopefully, they'll do something similar for BB.
Why? It's not like player profiles for Blood Bowl are complicated, like Guild Ball and Warmachine. The cards also become useless in Leagues, when character values can go up/down and they gain skills and injuries. You can fit an entire team's roster and rules on one side of a 8x11 piece of paper. Adding cards into extra players pack is a waste of money and paper.
Thargrim wrote: One thing that could drive up the cost of the extra teams is if they include physical cards for the players etc. Which IMO is really needed, I like having the cards for the teams. We already know the extra teams come with extra markers/balls/themed plastic parts aside from the players themselves. I remember with WHQ silver tower they had extra heroes digitally but I didn't like having to constantly mess with my phone during the game to reference their stats.
And on that note,GW actually listened and came out with a separate card expansion for Silver Tower.
It takes the electronic hero cards and makes them nice cards.
Hopefully, they'll do something similar for BB.
Why? It's not like player profiles for Blood Bowl are complicated, like Guild Ball and Warmachine. The cards also become useless in Leagues, when character values can go up/down and they gain skills and injuries. You can fit an entire team's roster and rules on one side of a 8x11 piece of paper. Adding cards into extra players pack is a waste of money and paper.
Yeah I don't mind using a roster, but for a collectible sense some cards would be nice for the sake of the art. I still sleeve all of my cards for SW X wing as well. I hadn't really thought about leagues, I can only really see myself playing this at home with some friends. I'd be okay with scanning a page/using pdfs to print out some cards though if I had to.
I hadn't really thought about leagues, I can only really see myself playing this at home with some friends. I'd be okay with scanning a page/using pdfs to print out some cards though if I had to.
Honestly, leagues are where the game truly shines. I hope you get a chance to set one up. Even a small league of 3-4 is great.
I hadn't really thought about leagues, I can only really see myself playing this at home with some friends. I'd be okay with scanning a page/using pdfs to print out some cards though if I had to.
Honestly, leagues are where the game truly shines. I hope you get a chance to set one up. Even a small league of 3-4 is great.
I wouldn't play this game if it wasn't for my league. Truly this game is amazing when you set up a local league to play in. And there pretty common, look one up in your area.
The main problem with leagues is at different lengths, different teams shine.
Short league: Amazons, Pro elves, Wood elves
Medium: Humans, Orcs, H/D elves, Dwarves,
Long: Chaos, Nurgle, Dwarves, Orcs
Basically the longer the league goes, the better off you'll be with a higher armour team. You can make the other teams work, but when you'll be far, far more likely to have a run of team destroying injury rolls. A string of 8s (or even 9s) to break armour is way, way more likely than a string of 10s.
I've basically hit the point where I consider league play to be broken and you have to approach it like old school D&D where you character can just die because you had a bit of unlucky dice. Or key players on someone else's team will get taken out by swingy dice. Play enough games and it's eventually going to happen and the rate of breaking armour 7 vs 8 vs 9 is actually very different.
I've played at least a few hundred league games over the years (it may even be over a thousand if I count FUMBBL) and I enjoyed it, but I think I've had my fill and now the problems just seem like more of a reason to pick a different game.
We have another freebie for you this week – a Match Record roster.
This handy guide helps you keep track of your wins (or losses) in a campaign, tournament, or just for your own satisfaction
yeah, I like the idea of a match record sheet but the sections aren't ideal. Needs much larger notes section to record MVPs and other SPP details. injuries and deaths etc. Casualties needs to be recorded, as they are just as important as touchdowns in blood bowl as they are one of the most commonly used tie breakers. and just a fun stat to track!
I think a better sheet would have space for maybe three games per page.
oh and I just finished my Nurgle Daemonic Pitch invasion ready in time for the New season! Nurgle Team
Witchcraft! Review copy for podcast. Playing a few more games and letting others play with various existing teams to do final review this week. But so far it's gorgeous and easier to navigate play than the living rule book. Looks like stats will work until a new team comes out so we will try Norse, Chaos Dwarfs, nurgle, haha : halflings this week and see how it goes.
They have some cards for star players in the box . I wonder if they will have any star players ready for launch. It is kind of crazy to see slotta bases making a comeback.
Man, how did you two miss that? It was even specifically called out in that unbox vid GW made.
They are 32mm round slottabases, with an extra hole in the larger segment fitted for the peg on the ball.
Mr_Rose wrote: Man, how did you two miss that? It was even specifically called out in that unbox vid GW made.
They are 32mm round slottabases, with an extra hole in the larger segment fitted for the peg on the ball.
Yep, I fully missed that too. Will be handy for some metal marines I have lying around that I'm planning on doing something with next year.
Good afternoon, Sports Fans! Big news in from the locker room, as we can reveal the exclusive Special Play card that will be given to each player who attends the Bugman's Full Beard Cup on 26th-27th November here at Games Workshop: Warhammer World.
This card can be played by each coach just once during the Full Beard Cup ( we encourage it's use to be accompanied by much shouting!), and then afterwards added to your collection of Special Play cards for use in future games of Blood Bowl. Do you fancy "going Full Beard"? Then click here to find out more about the event and to grab your ticket while you can! http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/the-bugmans-full-…/
yeah,
AMAZING a one off card that only a few people will have and excludes the vast majority of their customer base.
SO at Launch of the new season it's almost impossible for regular customers to have a full set of cards :( :( :(
The organisers and designers probably think this is ok (after all they will be there.)
It's just a card!
Do they even know who their customers are?? we are collectors? We want them all!
Local event only exclusives are the worse. even if it's just a card.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
It would be more acceptable if its an alternative art version.
That would be OK.
that's how FFG supports it's events, with Alternate art versions of existing cards.
And 100% of customers can access to all cards with the regular design.
Neat perk is the bases have a hole for the ball peg. No more wondering who was the ball or it slipping off the base. The squig ball in the box is so cute
Panic wrote: yeah,
I like the idea of a match record sheet but the sections aren't ideal.
Needs much larger notes section to record MVPs and other SPP details.
injuries and deaths etc.
Casualties needs to be recorded, as they are just as important as touchdowns in blood bowl as they are one of the most commonly used tie breakers.
and just a fun stat to track!
I think a better sheet would have space for maybe three games per page.
oh and I just finished my Nurgle Daemonic Pitch invasion ready in time for the New season!
Nurgle Team
Panic wrote: yeah,
AMAZING a one off card that only a few people will have and excludes the vast majority of their customer base.
SO at Launch of the new season it's almost impossible for regular customers to have a full set of cards :( :( :(
The organisers and designers probably think this is ok (after all they will be there.)
It's just a card!
Do they even know who their customers are?? we are collectors? We want them all!
Local event only exclusives are the worse. even if it's just a card.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
It would be more acceptable if its an alternative art version.
That would be OK.
that's how FFG supports it's events, with Alternate art versions of existing cards.
And 100% of customers can access to all cards with the regular design.
Panic...
Mate, you're going off the deep end a bit, it's just a card, not a model or expansion. It doesn't look like a game breaker in any way, shape or form.
Panic wrote: yeah,
AMAZING a one off card that only a few people will have and excludes the vast majority of their customer base.
SO at Launch of the new season it's almost impossible for regular customers to have a full set of cards :( :( :(
The organisers and designers probably think this is ok (after all they will be there.)
It's just a card!
Do they even know who their customers are?? we are collectors? We want them all!
Local event only exclusives are the worse. even if it's just a card.
It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
It would be more acceptable if its an alternative art version.
That would be OK.
that's how FFG supports it's events, with Alternate art versions of existing cards.
And 100% of customers can access to all cards with the regular design.
Panic...
Mate, you're going off the deep end a bit, it's just a card, not a model or expansion. It doesn't look like a game breaker in any way, shape or form.
Have you not noticed that every company is out to poo in his cornflakes ?
Yeah,
It's just a card, but it's an official GW card and if leagues start allowing special play cards I'd like to have it!
In fact I hope more leagues use special play cards more often, they are super cool.
I'd like to see them used more outside of friendly games.
Exclusive special play cards, varies the field and puts up a barrier to special play cards being more widely accepted.
They are the Bloodbowl equivalent to FW models.
People are not used to them so it's easiest for league commissioners to say no special play cards.
Even more so if they are watered down with rares and uncommons...
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Mate, you're going off the deep end a bit, it's just a card, not a model or expansion. It doesn't look like a game breaker in any way, shape or form.
It's not a deal breaker! still buying the new box!
But knowing that my new special play deck feels incomplete, it takes the shine off.
CURNOW wrote: Have you not noticed that every company is out to poo in his cornflakes ?
Not too sure what your refering to...
But I'm a believer of customers using social media to let companies know what they feel the company could do better.
Recent complaints;
Spoiler:
GW exclusive card at blood bowl event.
GW excessive postage on their limited release minis.
G&G having event only and magazine only cards for Dark deeds (they have now made these available while stocks last online, plus the possibility of inclusion in a future expansion pack)
Prodos not fulfilling their KS FFG weak distribution releasing x-wing expansions in the UK up to a month after the US and low stock levels (recent releases have been at the same time and more plentiful)
Panic wrote: Yeah,
It's just a card, but it's an official GW card and if leagues start allowing special play cards I'd like to have it!
In fact I hope more leagues use special play cards more often, they are super cool.
I'd like to see them used more outside of friendly games.
Exclusive special play cards, varies the field and puts up a barrier to special play cards being more widely accepted.
They are the Bloodbowl equivalent to FW models.
People are not used to them so it's easiest for league commissioners to say no special play cards.
Even more so if they are watered down with rares and uncommons...
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Mate, you're going off the deep end a bit, it's just a card, not a model or expansion. It doesn't look like a game breaker in any way, shape or form.
It's not a deal breaker! still buying the new box!
But knowing that my new special play deck feels incomplete, it takes the shine off.
It's an event only item, perhaps offer someone a large wad of cash for it, or attend the event?
I've not been able to attend an event to get any of the event only FW figures, several of which I want, in my case I've paid over the odds for some of them on ebay.
Yeah,
Bingo!
This card will now be one of the uber Rare BloodBowl artefacts.
Only available to those who could go to Nottingham for this weekend in November 2016.
This isn't a FW exclusive mini that scalpers can attend and buy 10+
Most won't be for sale. I know if I went mine would not be for sale.
I expect eBay prices to be quite mad.
This will only exasperate if it's acknowledged as a valid card for future official events that allow use of the special play deck.
Panic wrote: Yeah,
It's just a card, but it's an official GW card and if leagues start allowing special play cards I'd like to have it!
In fact I hope more leagues use special play cards more often, they are super cool.
I'd like to see them used more outside of friendly games.
Exclusive special play cards, varies the field and puts up a barrier to special play cards being more widely accepted.
They are the Bloodbowl equivalent to FW models.
People are not used to them so it's easiest for league commissioners to say no special play cards.
Even more so if they are watered down with rares and uncommons...
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Mate, you're going off the deep end a bit, it's just a card, not a model or expansion. It doesn't look like a game breaker in any way, shape or form.
It's not a deal breaker! still buying the new box!
But knowing that my new special play deck feels incomplete, it takes the shine off.
It's an event only item, perhaps offer someone a large wad of cash for it, or attend the event?
I've not been able to attend an event to get any of the event only FW figures, several of which I want, in my case I've paid over the odds for some of them on ebay.
And the sad thing is you'll still apprently defend that practice.
It's an event only item, perhaps offer someone a large wad of cash for it, or attend the event?
I've not been able to attend an event to get any of the event only FW figures, several of which I want, in my case I've paid over the odds for some of them on ebay.
And the sad thing is you'll still apprently defend that practice.
It's an event only item, I couldn't go to the event, I paid out to a private seller to get what I wanted because I wanted it enough. I saw NIN in 2013 and stupidly didn't get an official T shirt on the night, I since hunted down and paid a lot more for one because I wanted the T shirt commemorating what was a bucket list life event.
This is a simple card, it's not even a particularly good one, not having it is activating Panic's OCD, I get that, I have the same with my hobbies, but for other things in them, in Star Trek Attack Wing there are whole hosts of event only ships, with event only cards and some of them are broken as hell, if I want them enough, I'll pay for them on ebay.
Not everything is served up on a plate for you, there are a number, of options available but free jelly and ice cream isn't. I want another 200 gallon tank on the opposite wall to my existing one, but I can't afford it, I'm not losing sleep over it.
I don't even get why special cards like this exist for the game? I know there are some alternate rules available for Blood Bowl which have all the hallmarks of "random stuff happens! = fun" that GW love to shoe-horn in, but I hope the new rules that have been printed don't have these things as a requirement for gameplay. The Living Rulebook has been great for a long time now, I'd rather not involve this kind of one-round game-breaking if I can avoid it.
It's an event only item, perhaps offer someone a large wad of cash for it, or attend the event?
I've not been able to attend an event to get any of the event only FW figures, several of which I want, in my case I've paid over the odds for some of them on ebay.
And the sad thing is you'll still apprently defend that practice.
It's an event only item, I couldn't go to the event, I paid out to a private seller to get what I wanted because I wanted it enough. I saw NIN in 2013 and stupidly didn't get an official T shirt on the night, I since hunted down and paid a lot more for one because I wanted the T shirt commemorating what was a bucket list life event.
This is a simple card, it's not even a particularly good one, not having it is activating Panic's OCD, I get that, I have the same with my hobbies, but for other things in them, in Star Trek Attack Wing there are whole hosts of event only ships, with event only cards and some of them are broken as hell, if I want them enough, I'll pay for them on ebay.
Not everything is served up on a plate for you, there are a number, of options available but free jelly and ice cream isn't. I want another 200 gallon tank on the opposite wall to my existing one, but I can't afford it, I'm not losing sleep over it.
Like I said, it's sad seeing people defend things that only really exist to screw them over out of some misplaced sense of bootstrappery or whatever.
Event only items benefit nobody except ebay scalpers, so why everyone is so enamoured of the concept is beyond me. Also; comparing game rules, general purpose miniatures, and basic faction apparel, ie what GW sell as event exclusives and what the discussion is actually about, to event specific "I was there" tat doesn't really fly. If GW was flogging "I attended [event] [year]" shirts nobody except attendees would give a gak, but they're not.
Like I said, it's sad seeing people defend things that only really exist to screw them over out of some misplaced sense of bootstrappery or whatever.
You're new here so I'll cut you some slack, I've dragged that company over the coals on this forum for years, your insinuation is laughable to anyone who's been posting here for any length of time and knows me. But I won't indulge in hyperbole and vilification for no damned good reason and one does not exist here, event only items are just that, a prize to offer up to people who took the time and spent the money to attend the event.
Also; comparing game rules, general purpose miniatures, and basic faction apparel, ie what GW sell as event exclusives and what the discussion is actually about, to event specific "I was there" tat doesn't really fly. If GW was flogging "I attended [event] [year]" shirts nobody except attendees would give a gak, but they're not.
Except, of course, there would be some 'gotta catch em all' types out there that would want whatever it was anyway, regardless of what it was or did, this BB event could have been giving away a T shirt and there'd be someone here complaining that they really wanted that T shirt and it was terrible they couldn't get it and isn't GW mean for giving away a T shirt to people attending an event. The comparison is entirely appropriate given it's exclusivity, limited appeal outside it's intended market and the mark up etc that occurs on resale.
GW have done some remarkably gakky things over the years, I've been the first in line to decry them on those occasions. Giving something cool to people showing up to a fun event isn't one of them. If you want this thing, go and get it. The people who are taking vacation days, spending money on travel and lodgings to get there and play are getting a nice, lightweight bonus chucked into attending, I think that's cool and a decent thing to do. If you want this thing badly enough, take the holiday time from work, book the train ticket and go and get it, if not, then either offer a king's ransom to someone who's going to get you one or go without.
The GW staff at Warhammer World were denying the launch of Bloodbowl in November as of this Friday just gone; this special event only card is just something cool on top. So what if you can't get your hands on the physical event-only card; just print it yourself?
I think things like these "Event Only" items aren't EVIL but I don't think they benefit GW nearly as much as a more carefully thought out promotion might do.
If you don't care about the card, then it doesn't matter either way.
If you DO care about getting the card, then it's STILL probably not the deciding factor in getting you to go to the event, especially if you live in another country. You can't make the event, and you can't get the card you want.
If you DO get the card, you get it from someone else (who didn't care about the card, but still went to the event). The card wasn't a deciding factor for them EITHER, as they are selling it to you.
There seems to be a TINY, TINY fraction of people who might go to the event, and the card was what pushed them over the line.
Now if you'd take the same card, and give it away FREE at the event, but sell it on your web site, or include it in an order of $X of Bloodbowl merchandise, or whatever, you'd have a much more impactful promotion. People would get a special reward for making the event, but other people who wanted it would still give GW money. GW wouldn't lose attendees (because no one was going just to get a free card--or almost no one), but you'd make attendees feel rewarded, and still let people who wanted the card get one in a way that benefitted GW.
I can see the appeal of it being an event-only item, provided such cards are at every official/officially backed tournament across the globe. Keen as a bean to get into BB come release as it looks fun and doing a league sounds awesome rather than playing one-off games all the time.
What I'm getting as is that cards like these should be limited to events, but be present at every event and not just as Warhammer World (Realm?) It's a nice little incentive to get up and attend these things. Eventually (here's hoping) there may be 201X event card packs, which contain the event cards from the previous year, minus "<name of tournament, year>" exclusive text. Sorta like how FFG has the alt-cards, only the alt-cards eventually get phased into general circulation minus some "I attended this event, woo!" text.
Howdy Guys and Girls - some information about what's next for Blood Bowl:
- There will be a Blood Bowl App alongside the box release
- Deathzone: Season 1 will have new and expanded rules. It's also the first wave of expansions for Bloodbowl. It will feature league rules, seven new teams and Star Players.
- New pits are planned as battle mats.
- Next team are the Skaven in plastic. It's the same deal as with the starter box models, you get 12 skaven, 2 times the same sprue.
- The next two teams are Dwarfes and Goblins, also in plastic.
- Big Critters! Plastic clampacks for troll and ogre are planned
- Starplayers and Referees - probably in resin
- Future teams are planned to be resin - Nurgle and Dark Elfs sometimes next year
- Event goodies are planned - from shirts to cards.
odinfellhammer wrote: Any one know if all of the teams rosters are in the rule book?
they are not. We get the rules, extras like weather, kick-off, origins of BB fluff, assembly and painting guide for each team. The campaign book is the next tool. Skaven will be available at releaseof ths main box, so sayeth GW staff.
It looks like, despite the new pitch being a different size to the older one, the actual grid is laid out the same, so people can still use their old boards and custom scratch built stadiums, etc. Very cool of them. They could have just as easily made some changes that 'strongly encouraged' purchase of the new boxed game beside the merits of the cool looking components. The rules situation remains to be seen (I haven't followed the rules leaks, if any).
I've played Blood Bowl many times over the years, but have never owned a copy. I will most definitely be picking this one up...along with the Skaven team, my WFB faction of choice.
It's pretty much the same BB but rules and cheat sheet are much clearer and organized better. Clarifications on some rules and order of actions. Nice extra dice, a D16 for random player should an unruly fan throw a rock, or whatever. Loving it!
Recording final review to release tonight. So far existing teams work fine with human/orc team stats-wise.
Fenriswulf wrote: I don't even get why special cards like this exist for the game? I know there are some alternate rules available for Blood Bowl which have all the hallmarks of "random stuff happens! = fun" that GW love to shoe-horn in, but I hope the new rules that have been printed don't have these things as a requirement for gameplay. The Living Rulebook has been great for a long time now, I'd rather not involve this kind of one-round game-breaking if I can avoid it.
Going by the unboxing video, the special play cards will be back to closer to the sort of prominence they did when introduced in 3rd edition. Subsequent Living Rulebooks making them less important was to the detriment of the game, IMO; I'm glad they're back.
Fenriswulf wrote: I don't even get why special cards like this exist for the game? I know there are some alternate rules available for Blood Bowl which have all the hallmarks of "random stuff happens! = fun" that GW love to shoe-horn in, but I hope the new rules that have been printed don't have these things as a requirement for gameplay. The Living Rulebook has been great for a long time now, I'd rather not involve this kind of one-round game-breaking if I can avoid it.
Going by the unboxing video, the special play cards will be back to closer to the sort of prominence they did when introduced in 3rd edition. Subsequent Living Rulebooks making them less important was to the detriment of the game, IMO; I'm glad they're back.
The cards get shuffled and the coach winning the toss picks his combo of up to three cards first (you roll for amount; 1 = 1, 2-5 = 2, 6=3). If magic is available (later on) you can only get one card from that selection. Still have some explodely or fall-downy cards to play
Fango wrote: It looks like, despite the new pitch being a different size to the older one, the actual grid is laid out the same, so people can still use their old boards and custom scratch built stadiums, etc. Very cool of them. They could have just as easily made some changes that 'strongly encouraged' purchase of the new boxed game beside the merits of the cool looking components. The rules situation remains to be seen (I haven't followed the rules leaks, if any).
I've played Blood Bowl many times over the years, but have never owned a copy. I will most definitely be picking this one up...along with the Skaven team, my WFB faction of choice.
Changes in board/pitch size do impact pretty heavily on the throwing game, though. So sayeth my 2nd edition astrogranite and 3rd edition boards - not to mention the felt Impact! miniatures mat.
Fango wrote: It looks like, despite the new pitch being a different size to the older one, the actual grid is laid out the same, so people can still use their old boards and custom scratch built stadiums, etc. Very cool of them. They could have just as easily made some changes that 'strongly encouraged' purchase of the new boxed game beside the merits of the cool looking components. The rules situation remains to be seen (I haven't followed the rules leaks, if any).
I've played Blood Bowl many times over the years, but have never owned a copy. I will most definitely be picking this one up...along with the Skaven team, my WFB faction of choice.
Changes in board/pitch size do impact pretty heavily on the throwing game, though. So sayeth my 2nd edition astrogranite and 3rd edition boards - not to mention the felt Impact! miniatures mat.
GW does gak like this just to be dicks. Plain and simplly dicks.
Fango wrote: It looks like, despite the new pitch being a different size to the older one, the actual grid is laid out the same, so people can still use their old boards and custom scratch built stadiums, etc. Very cool of them. They could have just as easily made some changes that 'strongly encouraged' purchase of the new boxed game beside the merits of the cool looking components. The rules situation remains to be seen (I haven't followed the rules leaks, if any).
I've played Blood Bowl many times over the years, but have never owned a copy. I will most definitely be picking this one up...along with the Skaven team, my WFB faction of choice.
Changes in board/pitch size do impact pretty heavily on the throwing game, though. So sayeth my 2nd edition astrogranite and 3rd edition boards - not to mention the felt Impact! miniatures mat.
GW does gak like this just to be dicks. Plain and simplly dicks.
I admit that I am not very familiar with classic bloodbowl, but they simply seemed to have scaled everything up including the measuring stick to accommodate large modern minis.
Could someone explain why this is a problem?
bound for glory wrote: Fair enough. But why gw feel the need to make the pitch bigger and the range ruler, well, yeah, dicks.
They didn't want to be restrained by size of old models for new models? Old board was pretty crowded for big guys as it is. Now with bigger base for EVERYBODY...Not to mention just look at the size of the orcs.
Good thing is if you have smaller board you are likely to have smaller ruler and similarly if you have bigger board you should have the bigger ruler so apart from trouble of fitting new bigger bases on smaller board there shouldn't be much of trouble anyway
bound for glory wrote: Fair enough. But why gw feel the need to make the pitch bigger and the range ruler, well, yeah, dicks.
Oh, that is easy, Scale Creep.
Miniatures, especially the popular 3rd Party Bloodbowl Miniatures have gotten a larger and do not look very good on the 25m bases.
32mm bases allow a 'wider' set of stance options and positions. Looks like the same reasoning they gave for the move to 40k Marines moving to 32mm bases as well.
I, for one, welcome this new pitch size change and look forward to it.
As for the range ruler...I honestly haven't used a range ruler for passing for years, with one singular exception.
That exception is interceptions. And most of the time I try to avoid those entirely or it is obvious that the player is going to get a chance.
Everything else can be done with a nice little chart like this:
Getting angry over this change is like getting angry that on average phone covers are getting larger and ignoring that larger phones are more popular now than in the past.
Do we have any more concrete info on the prices and if the Dwarfs/Season One book are coming straight after the release (the next week) or later down the line?
Everyone remember that rule 1 is be polite, and it isn't optional. This thread is about a topic that a lot of people are interested in, and if you can't discuss it politely you won't be discussing it.
Bottle wrote: Do we have any more concrete info on the prices and if the Dwarfs/Season One book are coming straight after the release (the next week) or later down the line?
Good question!
I would assume we are talking a couple of months down the line, but I have nothing to cite for that other than my expectations.
I saw somewhere, that skaven will be released the same day the core box will!
Edit:Tried to find the source and couldn't, so I'd disregard that info.. Might be mistaking it for something..
Bottle wrote: Do we have any more concrete info on the prices and if the Dwarfs/Season One book are coming straight after the release (the next week) or later down the line?
I believe the supplement and the skaven team are released at the same time as the game -- maybe week after or something.
Looking forward to the chef...
As long as it's clear for any beginner that some teams are fighting uphill and are for experienced coaches only I'll live with it.
Review coming up soon!
