BE'LAKOR indeed.

Already called in the rumour engine thread.
But damn.
Lookin' good.
Pointy army very much like the old one.
No doubt a lot bigger.

Extremely good preview. Probably one of the best they've done in a long while.

Huh, did not see frigging Be'lakor coming up.

Thought they would tease with soulblight...

Looks like they’ve pretty much kept Be’lakor’s pose too.

Based on the skulls on his wings, Be'lakor is at least Greater Daemon sized, yeah?

Mental.

I always held off getting Be'lakor on the off chance they made a plastic version one day.

Glad I waited.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always held off getting Be'lakor on the off chance they made a plastic version one day.

Glad I waited.

I should have waited... I got *2* this time last year (due to a mispack, the second was free). Looks like this new plastic one is going to be twice the size, at least, so maybe if I combine the two I have...

 frankelee wrote:
So we can rule out the silly/stupid talk of a $300 price.

I don’t know. There’s quite a lot of stuff in that box, including several quite big miniatures. I don’t think it’s worth $300 despite how cool it looks but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Overall though this preview has been amazingly good. Somehow they manage to show more cool stuff than they did in the shows that covered every game system.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always held off getting Be'lakor on the off chance they made a plastic version one day.

Glad I waited.

I was the reverse, I snapped him up in case they did remake him and it wasn't as good. Never been happier to have spent that much for no reason

Soo overall and outanding preview!

I 100% want the new Warhammer Quest, there are so many good looking and fantastic models in there.

The new Lumineth look great and that's going to be one popular army with this huge second wave of models. If I ever get my other armies under control and near finished I can very easily see myself wanting to start a force of Lumineth and this is with only 2 temples revealed.

The new Be'lakor looks great from what little bits we can see - and yeah seems they've kept his classic style pose.



Showstealer might just be the Wight King - a powerful recreation of a classic model that oozes classic Old World and AoS blending.



Overall yeah awesome preview!

It might not be 300 bucks, but I bet it'll be more expensive than previous WHQ boxes since it's got so many 40-50mm base models in it.

I do not understand why they set the undead cossack as the end boss, he looks the least impressive of the bunch...

Sotahullu wrote:
Huh, did not see frigging Be'lakor coming up.

Thought they would tease with soulblight...

I'm wondering if everyone got over-eager on the Soulblight (understandable so give quest and underworlds). The Wight King bit mentions hordes of Deathrattle and Necromancers hard at work. Maybe we're not getting what we assumed.


I'm just excited they kept the classic look. The king blew all the rest of that gak away, at least until cursed city

Chikout wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
So we can rule out the silly/stupid talk of a $300 price.

I don’t know. There’s quite a lot of stuff in that box, including several quite big miniatures. I don’t think it’s worth $300 despite how cool it looks but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Overall though this preview has been amazingly good. Somehow they manage to show more cool stuff than they did in the shows that covered every game system.

Well it's the same content as BSF, which cost $150. I know I've seen people around the internet claiming GW doubled all their prices, but that's pure GW derangement syndrome.

 frankelee wrote:

Chikout wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
So we can rule out the silly/stupid talk of a $300 price.

I don’t know. There’s quite a lot of stuff in that box, including several quite big miniatures. I don’t think it’s worth $300 despite how cool it looks but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Overall though this preview has been amazingly good. Somehow they manage to show more cool stuff than they did in the shows that covered every game system.

Well it's the same content as BSF, which cost $150. I know I've seen people around the internet claiming GW doubled all their prices, but that's pure GW derangement syndrome.

Yeah. It’ll be more than BSF, but there’s not enough there to convince me they’ve doubled the price - I don’t think GW have hit that point yet. If they have, it’s ludicrous. Everything looks great but not double the price of BSF.

Voss wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Huh, did not see frigging Be'lakor coming up.

Thought they would tease with soulblight...

I'm wondering if everyone got over-eager on the Soulblight (understandable so give quest and underworlds). The Wight King bit mentions hordes of Deathrattle and Necromancers hard at work. Maybe we're not getting what we assumed.


I'm just excited they kept the classic look. The king blew all the rest of that gak away, at least until cursed city

Man if soulblight are just vampires with deathrattle I will have a big sad.
I sold all my death rattle/legions.
I want an elite vampire army

Voss wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Huh, did not see frigging Be'lakor coming up.

Thought they would tease with soulblight...

I'm wondering if everyone got over-eager on the Soulblight (understandable so give quest and underworlds). The Wight King bit mentions hordes of Deathrattle and Necromancers hard at work. Maybe we're not getting what we assumed.

I think the leaked vampire is what threw everyone off, but the fact that the Mounted Wight King is "just the tip of the lance" seems to confirm that there's enough Death on the way for traditional Soulblight to make an appearance (it'd be, what, Blood Knights and a plastic Lord, maybe with a Nightmare mounted version?)

 frankelee wrote:

Chikout wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
So we can rule out the silly/stupid talk of a $300 price.

I don’t know. There’s quite a lot of stuff in that box, including several quite big miniatures. I don’t think it’s worth $300 despite how cool it looks but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Overall though this preview has been amazingly good. Somehow they manage to show more cool stuff than they did in the shows that covered every game system.

Well it's the same content as BSF, which cost $150. I know I've seen people around the internet claiming GW doubled all their prices, but that's pure GW derangement syndrome.

It's got 6 more models, several large models and an extra sprue of objective markers. It won't be $150
Even if it were exactly the same it wouldn't be $150 again.

Was that story on the Warcom site about belakor then? Chaos includes skaven, and the big bad was some shadow winged thing

Wow! They better produce plenty of boxes to meet demand! If this gets sold out in 5 minutes and no more boxes are done theres going to be some unprecedented levels of rage.

One if not the Best GW box set.

This was actually one of the coolest reveals in a while.

While I'm still mixed on the Lumineth stuff I like, there was a lot of stuff in this reveal that I did like. The Terrain is ace. That being said, I'm not a big fan of the trend of releasing half a wave later with another book.

The Nighthaunt hero looks ace, let's hope the Stuff in the book helps fix the faction up. I'd love to put mine on the table again.

I like the Wightking, but I was expecting a bit more of a soulblight reveal.

Cursed City looks fantastic.

Rihgu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always held off getting Be'lakor on the off chance they made a plastic version one day.

Glad I waited.

I should have waited... I got *2* this time last year (due to a mispack, the second was free). Looks like this new plastic one is going to be twice the size, at least, so maybe if I combine the two I have...

Got a metal one from ebay recently and won't regret a thing. Terrific classic sculpt, and I rather like that he's not stupidly massive. As a matter of fact, if the new one is the size of a modern Bloodthirster, I'm not even interested - until I get an airbrush, I have no desire to paint a model that size. If he's somewhere in between in terms of size and the new sculpt's quality is equally good, I'd be happy to have both in the display cabinet!

 NAVARRO wrote:
Wow! They better produce plenty of boxes to meet demand! If this gets sold out in 5 minutes and no more boxes are done theres going to be some unprecedented levels of rage.

One if not the Best GW box set.

Whilst Warhammer Quest are limited products, GW reprints them during their lifespan. It's more that the product is kept on shelf for X period of time and then when that time is up they end it. So if they sell out from the first wave they'll make another wave. It's just when the game reaches the end of its lifespan (basically after its last expansion) then is when GW stops production.

Note some expansions tend to have a shorter lifespan and end even before the main game is over.

Voss wrote:

 frankelee wrote:

Chikout wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
So we can rule out the silly/stupid talk of a $300 price.

I don’t know. There’s quite a lot of stuff in that box, including several quite big miniatures. I don’t think it’s worth $300 despite how cool it looks but it wouldn’t surprise me.

Overall though this preview has been amazingly good. Somehow they manage to show more cool stuff than they did in the shows that covered every game system.

Well it's the same content as BSF, which cost $150. I know I've seen people around the internet claiming GW doubled all their prices, but that's pure GW derangement syndrome.

It's got 6 more models, several large models and an extra sprue of objective markers. It won't be $150
Even if it were exactly the same it wouldn't be $150 again.

Sure, $180 wouldn't surprise me at all. $200 would surprise me a little. Anything over that, unlikely. As I think I mentioned on the Cursed City thread, Dark Uprising at $290 broke a lot of people's brains and GW price cost discussion hasn't been right since. A normally priced box set might send some people back to reality.

Liking what's in the Quest box, model- wise at the very least.

Hopefully the gameplay is there as well.

Be'lakor getting a plastic upgrade I'm more than happy about! Still one of my favorite daemon designs.
Happy to paint him for a third time- I'll have done him up in every material he's been available in then!

$200 sounds very likely sadly, and at that price, it's essentially whale-only product. $200 is too much for a very simplistic dungeon crawler boardgame.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Wow! They better produce plenty of boxes to meet demand! If this gets sold out in 5 minutes and no more boxes are done theres going to be some unprecedented levels of rage.

One if not the Best GW box set.

Quest boxes don't permanently sell out on release day; Blackstone Fortress is still available even if some of the expansions released since have gone out of production in anticipation of the new range. Core box should be available for a couple of years for sure. (BSF was released late 2018.)

Cronch wrote:
$200 sounds very likely sadly, and at that price, it's essentially whale-only product. $200 is too much for a very simplistic dungeon crawler boardgame.

How about we wait before we start throwing prices and insults about who can actually afford it around?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Wow! They better produce plenty of boxes to meet demand! If this gets sold out in 5 minutes and no more boxes are done theres going to be some unprecedented levels of rage.

One if not the Best GW box set.

That’s not going to happen obviously.

It’ll be on sale throughout its entire life, during expansions and everything else.
Isn’t BSF still available now?

 GaroRobe wrote:
Was that story on the Warcom site about belakor then? Chaos includes skaven, and the big bad was some shadow winged thing

Yea 100%. From the first description of the figure on the throne I was practically shouting "that's Be'lakor!", and it was all but confirmed by the end of the story. Now it's even more all but confirmed by this preview!

Hmm, they didn't show them individually, but in front of the large bat off of the board in the full contents shot, are those undead cats? Or objective markers? (Or both?)

We'll find out shortly enough, but if we'll indulge some speculation, if they are undead cats like the one on Torgillius's base, then they could be spies that serve as mobile objectives, which would be a fun gimmick

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Cronch wrote:
$200 sounds very likely sadly, and at that price, it's essentially whale-only product. $200 is too much for a very simplistic dungeon crawler boardgame.

How about we wait before we start throwing prices and insults about who can actually afford it around?

Whale isn't an insult, it's a descriptor of buying habits used by video games companies. They coined the term. There's nothing inherently wrong in being a whale, it just means you have the disposable income to spare and no problem spending it. Catering to that part of the audience proved to be the best marketing practice for video game companies, so I'm not surprised if GW is trying to copy it.

 Sasori wrote:
This was actually one of the coolest reveals in a while.

While I'm still mixed on the Lumineth stuff I like, there was a lot of stuff in this reveal that I did like. The Terrain is ace. That being said, I'm not a big fan of the trend of releasing half a wave later with another book.

It's the same way they did Tau during the Damocles stuff. You can either buy the new book with new lore in it or just buy the campaign book.

I'm going new book. I'd gotten the big Lumineth 'spearhead' box, so I'm fine with having a normal book rather than going the supplement route.

I love the wizards, but the bears on the death wizard looks like he could be tugged off balance easily by an opponent

My New Year's belated wish? GW's AOS and 40K teams swap roles for the next 5 years. This stuff knocks the pants off any recent 40K release.

Surprised that the big bad at the end of the Cursed City is not that great of a model. The varghul has so much Bram Stoker's Dracula movie vibe though. The heroes are actually not amazing either. I could pass on all but the witch hunter, kurnoth and Ogre. But still, what a great box.

I like the dragon ball Lumineth lord.
GW is going for a particular aesthetic that might not please everyone but I'm happy they are pullig it through.

Also, please GW, give us rules for 40k Belakor

 bullyboy wrote:
My New Year's belated wish? GW's AOS and 40K teams swap roles for the next 5 years. This stuff knocks the pants off any recent 40K release.

Surprised that the big bad at the end of the Cursed City is not that great of a model. The varghul has so much Bram Stoker's Dracula movie vibe though. The heroes are actually not amazing either. I could pass on all but the witch hunter, kurnoth and Ogre. But still, what a great box.

No, please don't. I want AoS to keep knocking it out of the park. Please take your wish back before it comes true

I really don't like these stacked double models. The Slaaneshi Prince looks terrible with the daemonette on top, and these elves are no different. I think I may have to see at separating them and possibly mounting the mage of the side of the base with foot on a flying stand, or maybe some of these bonsai trees they have everywhere.

Another lot of mostly good stuff - I have soooo many models lying about doing nothing :(

So going down the list:

Bladelords: they (like the Beastgrave warband) just look wierd to me both in terms of poses and proprotions - might be the angles but at the moment much prefer previous Swordmasters.
Starshard Ballista: Nice details like th arrows and little lamps - very nice .
Shrine Very cool - but likely wince at the price - need to see more angles
Heroes: Cool cavalry, Cool Standard, Fox-goat spirit is great, really wish they had gone for a Monkey spirit for the cloud guy - the lamp guy is all sorts of wierd, Twins are fun - like the guy much more and his sword pose is much better than the bladelords.

[u]Cruciator: Cool new Nighthaunt - would be quite a cool necron conversion as well.
Gardus: I enjoyed the novel (although the Stormcast get way OP towards the middle and end) and the model is pretty good
Wight King Fine looking model
Madmob Hmmm ok - Like the Shaman the best.

Arena Hopefully available in the UK!


Cursed City - Well damn there is some nice stuff
Heroes - like them all! Van Elten and Qualthis prob favs but the write ups are great on the website - cool quotes!
Minons - Bats and Rats are pure win (I am sure some Skaven usage Yes-YES), Halberd guys also great. Skeletons are nicely done - Deadwalkers - hmmm - one with that theme might be cool but not lots...well not for me - bit too Malifaux.
Radukar the Wolf- mighty fine and great to see a non human vampire on the tabletop!
Vargulf? - that looks ace.
Vampireblooded? Interesting - sorta Ghoul-Vamps - nicely done and looking forward to reading more about them!

Ohh and book of warscrolls as well nice

Great preview

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Hmm, they didn't show them individually, but in front of the large bat off of the board in the full contents shot, are those undead cats? Or objective markers? (Or both?)

We'll find out shortly enough, but if we'll indulge some speculation, if they are undead cats like the one on Torgillius's base, then they could be spies that serve as mobile objectives, which would be a fun gimmick

The wolf on his base?

Holy fething gak there is absolutely not a single thing in today's preview that I Don't love with my entire heart give me all of it right now

Genuinely incredible announcement today.

I only will buy Gardus and the Lumineth terrain, but holy moly what a set of releases.

Look forward to seeing a full picture of Be'lakor, that'll be an exciting release

All looks fantastic. Absolutely loving Cursed City, but the other undead stuff is great too. Prefer this wave of the lumineth, although I do kind of think a second battletome after only, what, 4 months? is a bit of a dick move.

Crispy78 wrote:
All looks fantastic. Absolutely loving Cursed City, but the other undead stuff is great too. Prefer this wave of the lumineth, although I do kind of think a second battletome after only, what, 4 months? is a bit of a dick move.

June was the release of the army pack. And that was significantly delayed from when it was likely to have been intended thanks to lockdowns.
September is when the first wave of the general release happened.

40k 9E was in between both.

But like they said.
You won’t need to buy the battletome if you have it.
(As it will all be in the Teclis book)

Danny76 wrote:
But like they said.
You won’t need to buy the battletome if you have it.
(As it will all be in the Teclis book)

Putting a different title on the cover doesn't change the fact you need to buy a new book to play the army.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Look forward to seeing a full picture of Be'lakor, that'll be an exciting release

I'm crossing my fingers that there will be other stuff with him.
I don't hold out much hope for other Undivided stuff, but another round of real expansion to daemons so the mono-god lists are more viable would be nice. [Stuff like skullcannons/thrones, Nurgle flies, etc that actually expanded the lineup and filled holes in the lists beyond 'axe wielding maniacs' and 'slow shufflers']

But we'll see. I just don't want to see a repeat of what happened with the Morathi book- a single new character stuffed in a Versus box, then just dice and endless spells.
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 lord_blackfang wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
But like they said.
You won’t need to buy the battletome if you have it.
(As it will all be in the Teclis book)

Putting a different title on the cover doesn't change the fact you need to buy a new book to play the army.

Agreed. Whether you're buying the Broken Realms book or the Battletome v2, its still pay twice to get the army rules. The only folks who get off easy are the ones that didn't bother with the cosplay elves until now and only get the new battletome.

Is it just me or are the poses on the "not swordmasters" really really poor?

Weird unbalanced stiff legged poses. These are like the opposite of the idoneth thralls or Tzeentch Arcanites who had great poses.

Then don't buy the book and just use the downloadable warscrolls.

You won't have the updated/new warscroll battalions and stuff coming with Teclis but hey, don't want it don't buy it?

Voss wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Look forward to seeing a full picture of Be'lakor, that'll be an exciting release

I'm crossing my fingers that there will be other stuff with him.
I don't hold out much hope for other Undivided stuff, but another round of real expansion to daemons so the mono-god lists are more viable would be nice. [Stuff like skullcannons/thrones, Nurgle flies, etc that actually expanded the lineup and filled holes in the lists beyond 'axe wielding maniacs' and 'slow shufflers']

But we'll see. I just don't want to see a repeat of what happened with the Morathi book- a single new character stuffed in a Versus box, then just dice and endless spells.
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 lord_blackfang wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
But like they said.
You won’t need to buy the battletome if you have it.
(As it will all be in the Teclis book)

Putting a different title on the cover doesn't change the fact you need to buy a new book to play the army.

Agreed. Whether you're buying the Broken Realms book or the Battletome v2, its still pay twice to get the army rules. The only folks who get off easy are the ones that didn't bother with the cosplay elves until now and only get the new battletome.

I agree it’s not great.
But I mean, at least you’re not replacing a book immediately.
You just buy another and have two, rather than buy one and have one

Honestly this was what happens because of the large 3d party market and because GW lost the Chapterhouse court case (and likely were never going to win it).

Simply put if GW put all those models into the Lumineth book last year chances are by now we'd have had the 3rd party market supplying all of them.

GW doesn't want that, they want at least first dibs on their own customers. So instead of a book last year with twice as much content, we get a book with half as much and a rapid expansion this year. It's not the best ,but I can see the logical train of thought from GW in approaching things that way to protect their own income and sale of their own models.



Of course the other option would have been to hold Lumineth back for a whole year and do it all in one go, by which point GW would be oversaturating the market for them with almost too many models. Too many can be just as bad, it means a huge investment in one massive go from GW and customers can only buy so much so it would leave GW with likely some stock sitting on shelves unsold just because of the volume.


In the end the campaign book is likely going to be very good like the Morathi so chances are you were going to get it anyway just for the lore, stories and other updates. Now you know for certain it comes with a massive update (and honestly I think every lumineth player knew this was going to happen when the big teases happened in Christmas). This is nothing new.

Rihgu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always held off getting Be'lakor on the off chance they made a plastic version one day.

Glad I waited.

I should have waited... I got *2* this time last year (due to a mispack, the second was free). Looks like this new plastic one is going to be twice the size, at least, so maybe if I combine the two I have...

Still waiting mine. Wondering should i cancel or get it for alternative daemon prince if i want to run 2.


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 Sasori wrote:
This was actually one of the coolest reveals in a while.

While I'm still mixed on the Lumineth stuff I like, there was a lot of stuff in this reveal that I did like. The Terrain is ace. That being said, I'm not a big fan of the trend of releasing half a wave later with another book.

The Nighthaunt hero looks ace, let's hope the Stuff in the book helps fix the faction up. I'd love to put mine on the table again.

I like the Wightking, but I was expecting a bit more of a soulblight reveal.

Cursed City looks fantastic.

At least you don't need to buy new battletome unless you want all under one cover


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 lord_blackfang wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
But like they said.
You won’t need to buy the battletome if you have it.
(As it will all be in the Teclis book)

Putting a different title on the cover doesn't change the fact you need to buy a new book to play the army.

Ah well yes if you are somehow unable resisting throwing old to bin rather than　use old plus app for new warscrolls...

It's bunch of new warscrolls added.

tneva82 wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always held off getting Be'lakor on the off chance they made a plastic version one day.

Glad I waited.

I should have waited... I got *2* this time last year (due to a mispack, the second was free). Looks like this new plastic one is going to be twice the size, at least, so maybe if I combine the two I have...

Still waiting mine. Wondering should i cancel or get it for alternative daemon prince if i want to run 2.

He's actually a fair bit smaller than the current plastic prince, to the point that, in my opinion, he's only good for running as himself. I would advise canceling, but that's just me and my specific aesthetics.

Rihgu wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always held off getting Be'lakor on the off chance they made a plastic version one day.

Glad I waited.

I should have waited... I got *2* this time last year (due to a mispack, the second was free). Looks like this new plastic one is going to be twice the size, at least, so maybe if I combine the two I have...

Still waiting mine. Wondering should i cancel or get it for alternative daemon prince if i want to run 2.

He's actually a fair bit smaller than the current plastic prince, to the point that, in my opinion, he's only good for running as himself. I would advise canceling, but that's just me and my specific aesthetics.

Well i'm not addicted to bigger models. For me him being smaller makes him SCARIER.

This didn't happed "because of 3rd party", this happened cause GW is greedy little piggy. No one forced GW to do it, GW chose to do it. As a customer, this is nothing but inconvenience and extra expense. I was, in effect, sold a beta version of the battletome, except at a full price. At this point, i'd rather hand-write the warscrolls and battalions into a notebook than pay GW for their trash, half-baked product. Who knows, maybe there will be volume 3 of the battletome next year, I can't risk it!

tneva82 wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always held off getting Be'lakor on the off chance they made a plastic version one day.

Glad I waited.

I should have waited... I got *2* this time last year (due to a mispack, the second was free). Looks like this new plastic one is going to be twice the size, at least, so maybe if I combine the two I have...

Still waiting mine. Wondering should i cancel or get it for alternative daemon prince if i want to run 2.

He's actually a fair bit smaller than the current plastic prince, to the point that, in my opinion, he's only good for running as himself. I would advise canceling, but that's just me and my specific aesthetics.

Well i'm not addicted to bigger models. For me him being smaller makes him SCARIER.

IF Be'Lakor is size of an Greater Demon in this new incarnation it makes him heck a lot more scarier in my books

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Look forward to seeing a full picture of Be'lakor, that'll be an exciting release

I'm really hoping he's compatible with some existing kits (or is a double kit with a generic daemon prince, so they can get rid of the current naff one).
But if he's bloodthirster size, I could see converting him up with bits.

He does seem pretty big, he's got a full chaos warrior slumped on a rock pile between his feet.
https://youtu.be/LVkwxqHzm78?t=24

 Gallahad wrote:
Is it just me or are the poses on the "not swordmasters" really really poor?

Weird unbalanced stiff legged poses. These are like the opposite of the idoneth thralls or Tzeentch Arcanites who had great poses.

I thought the same - the Hero twin is much better IMO

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
Is it just me or are the poses on the "not swordmasters" really really poor?

Weird unbalanced stiff legged poses. These are like the opposite of the idoneth thralls or Tzeentch Arcanites who had great poses.

I thought the same - the Hero twin is much better IMO

Same expect I would rather ditch the acrobat on top of the good model first...

But I actually suspect that these guys have an second weapon option.

Sotahullu wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always held off getting Be'lakor on the off chance they made a plastic version one day.

Glad I waited.

I should have waited... I got *2* this time last year (due to a mispack, the second was free). Looks like this new plastic one is going to be twice the size, at least, so maybe if I combine the two I have...

Still waiting mine. Wondering should i cancel or get it for alternative daemon prince if i want to run 2.

He's actually a fair bit smaller than the current plastic prince, to the point that, in my opinion, he's only good for running as himself. I would advise canceling, but that's just me and my specific aesthetics.

Well i'm not addicted to bigger models. For me him being smaller makes him SCARIER.

IF Be'Lakor is size of an Greater Demon in this new incarnation it makes him heck a lot more scarier in my books

When you are big you are expected to be strong and tough. It's creepy scary if small one throws you around like rag doll. That reveals instantly your strength is unnatural

1m guy lifting you　up like darth vader at the start of anh(which in itself is inhuman strength. Unsurprising since that was robot strength. Showed instantly that's not human) shows instantly something very weird is attacking you.

Cursed City looks amazing. I’m all over it. The Wolf is a substantial model, and a nice deviation from what we’ve gotten in the past for vampires.

Also, there is nothing at all about the design of the model the Wolf that says Ogor. Neither his proportions, nor his features. Nothing from how he is quoted sounds like an Ogor. And most importantly, nothing from the info shared on the website mentions this detail.I think Eddie might have misspoken.

Dread Master wrote:
Cursed City looks amazing. I’m all over it. The Wolf is a substantial model, and a nice deviation from what we’ve gotten in the past for vampires.

Also, there is nothing at all about the design of the model the Wolf that says Ogor. Neither his proportions, nor his features. Nothing from how he is quoted sounds like an Ogor. And most importantly, nothing from the info shared on the website mentions this detail.I think Eddie might have misspoken.

Well, nothing but his size, dress, and him saying that he already ate people before he was a vampire.

Vampires tend to stay stuck as they were turned. It might be that as an Ogor he was younger and not fully formed when he was bitten and turned and, whilst he's matured, he's not grown as big as his brothers.

It might be that the vampiric curse has other impacts on his body, sapping it of natural growth.

Another consideration is that he might have just been a runt of an ogor. Something we often overlook in miniature games is that not everyone in reality is the same. There's always natural variation within a species to consider.

- Lumineth Terrain is gorgeous, and easy to recreate.
- Ballista got me worried: the first angle made me thought the crew had an actual quiver on his/her back, but it was just a giant bag.
- Savage Orc warband looks cool, but the lack of toenails is just fing disgusting.
- Love both Death heroes for Broken Realms. Thor Sigmarine is the most stupid idea ever from GW, but at least he is from the Hollowed Knights instead of the ever present Hammers of Sigmar for once.
- I am digging absolutely everyting from Cursed City.
- PLASTIC BE'LAKOR.

PLASTIC BE'LAKOR

Oldschool Wight King is fantastic, Cursed City does have some outstanding models, but I probably won't bother with the whole set.

The Wolf rather obviously has the face of an ogre. I realize not everybody grew up GW obsessed, but GW designs are pretty recognizable once you get used to them. And the wide shot shows him being ogre sized too.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Dread Master wrote:
Cursed City looks amazing. I’m all over it. The Wolf is a substantial model, and a nice deviation from what we’ve gotten in the past for vampires.

Also, there is nothing at all about the design of the model the Wolf that says Ogor. Neither his proportions, nor his features. Nothing from how he is quoted sounds like an Ogor. And most importantly, nothing from the info shared on the website mentions this detail.I think Eddie might have misspoken.

Well, nothing but his size, dress, and him saying that he already ate people before he was a vampire.

He must be one of those high class, fancy Ogors that talks real good. Maybe he is, probably so, even, given that Eddie said he was. But what I have seen of the mini doesn’t shout Ogre at me.

As someone who doesn't like Sigmarines at all - that new character looks fantastic.

Schmapdi wrote:
As someone who doesn't like Sigmarines at all - that new character looks fantastic.

I'm trying to decide if its supposed to be Captain America in Endgame or Thor in one of his own films. Or possibly Avengers, just after he brought Mjolnir down on something.
Either way, its a bit on the nose. And the flipped up backstraps that exist just so they can be flipped up as if he just landed don't do it many favors.

The not-all-gold armor is nice though. But I can't decide if he has two too many Thundercats on his armor, or three too few.

Well he’s exact for the cover art of the book. So all I see is that.
But I get what you mean.


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 Overread wrote:
Vampires tend to stay stuck as they were turned. It might be that as an Ogor he was younger and not fully formed when he was bitten and turned and, whilst he's matured, he's not grown as big as his brothers.

It might be that the vampiric curse has other impacts on his body, sapping it of natural growth.

Another consideration is that he might have just been a runt of an ogor. Something we often overlook in miniature games is that not everyone in reality is the same. There's always natural variation within a species to consider.

But I don’t think he’s that small. Looking at him next to other minis. You can see he’s definitely big.

 frankelee wrote:
The Wolf rather obviously has the face of an ogre. I realize not everybody grew up GW obsessed, but GW designs are pretty recognizable once you get used to them. And the wide shot shows him being ogre sized too.

The model could pass as an Ogre, but none of the art gives any impression of him being an Ogre what so ever. He looks extremely human.

Until you look at the size of the mini next to others


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And a big ogre chest and what looks like a gut plate.

Even when next to the other figures he looks like a tall man, for an ogre he'd have to be stunted. Which I mean, maybe it's his backstory, but he does not look like any ogre GW produced in the last 20 years.

Maybe a Half Ogre?...

Ignoring the usual potentially icky concepts whenever half-monster races are introduced, it'd make darn little sense,seeing as ogors see everything else as a dinner and little else, and honestly, like orruks, we don't even know how ogors breed.

Either way, GW did away with half-X long ago and I doubt they'd bring it back. My bet is he's either undersized or they're going to scale ogors down slowly? The cossack ogor guards look very lean compared to the old post-Ogre kingdom models too.

I agree the art doesn't look anything like an ogre, and if that's supposed to be his face in the sky on the main piece of artwork, he REALLY doesn't look like an ogre. But the miniature looks exactly like an ogre.

Thought I'd do a quick size comparison for everybody, assuming I got the bases right, I believe they're all the same height despite width, so I think I did.

https://imgur.com/gallery/GGAOmMr

He is indeed a littler fella for an ogre.

In some aspects, he's clearly an ogre (gut plate, moobs, pantaloons, etc.) that could easily fit into an Ogre army as a maneater, or whatever they're called now but in other aspects (mainly size and thickness) he's just a powerful human and would look odd next to an actual Ogre figure.

 Ghaz wrote:
Exactly the paint scheme I've wanted for my Slaangors! Beautiful!

Spoiler:

This thing looks amazing!

That vampire ogre or whatever makes me want a proper plastic varghulf so bad. Especially if they made it look like the total war version, just beastly.

I hope once a zombie box comes they don’t all have things stuck though them, otherwise box looks great :0

The elf bows still annoy me, they backwards ;(

Separating out from all the specific reveals, I have to say that this is one of the meatiest previews GW has done. Rather than spending 15m revealing one mini and then running off to the next game system, they spent time looking at each thing, and each section had a lot to it.

I look forward to them doing a 40k version.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I look forward to them doing a 40k version.

I do wonder if this is a sign of things to come? Alternating months for large reveals for each gaming Universe. I think I would genuinely enjoy that more than a bit from 40k and a bit from AOS.

 Hollow wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I look forward to them doing a 40k version.

I do wonder if this is a sign of things to come? Alternating months for large reveals for each gaming Universe. I think I would genuinely enjoy that more than a bit from 40k and a bit from AOS.

Seeing this wasn't first dedicated to one universe and first one had lots of mixed ones doubt it.

All we can tell for sure　is　gw does dedicated ones occasionally

I don't see anything that reminds me of an ogre on that mini. Even his face is more ''fat human that went feral'' than Ogre like. But then, the twitch stream clearly stated that he was an ogre, so I guess he's one

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't see anything that reminds me of an ogre on that mini.

People keep pointing to his bare chest and gutplate, but to me that just says 'Chaos marauder', not necessarily 'ogre'. If this was set in the Old World, I'd say from his clothing that he was probably a Norse trader living in Kislev (or vice versa) before becoming a vampire. I'd literally never guess he was an ogre.

Even his bulk looks like it comes mostly from wearing a significant quantity of dead wolf.

If he's really supposed to be an ogre, then I'm sorry but the sculptor did a bad job. Which is weird, given all the other minis in this game look absolutely awesome IMO.

Apple fox wrote:
I hope once a zombie box comes they don’t all have things stuck though them, otherwise box looks great :0

The elf bows still annoy me, they backwards ;(

Is that not just a normal recurve bow?

Ogre Vamp looks blood bowl ogre sized to me, those are a little snake than the normal ones aren't they?

He has the torso, upper legs and possibly the arms of an ogre (it's difficult to tell from the angle an how he's covered in that wolf pelt - the hand at least is large-ish), but the feet are very dainty compared to the plastic ogre in my hand I'm comparing him to, the ankles are correspondingly very delicate, and the head, even when dwarfed by that hat, looks substantially smaller too.

If you had told me he was indeed supposed to be a half-human half-ogre, I'd believe you in an instant. An actual ogre though? Nah.

His quote doesn't look like how Ogor would speak, in comparison to an actual Ogor on the hero team.

on the other note 'Poster girl" Knight lady, despite being at the front of the box, is the blandest and most boring looking one among the hero, Probably because they ran out of sprue space for her, ouch.

Chopstick wrote:
His quote doesn't look like how Ogor would speak, in comparison to an actual Ogor on the hero team.

on the other note 'Poster girl" Knight lady, despite being at the front of the box, is the blandest and most boring looking one among the hero, Probably because they ran out of sprue space for her, ouch.

The quote works for me as I could see him becoming more intelligent when turned to a vampire (I seem to remember that being a thing?) and ‘pick your flesh from my teeth with your bones’ is a pretty ogre thing to say...

Ogors are typically diminutive because that’s their entire culture.
Becoming an immortal creature does give you time though.

Considering he isn’t surrounded by other ogors either, I’d say it is possible for one to actually become semi intelligent.

Either way, the heavy Kislev vibe got me straight away.
Will need him and a few of his bodyguards to make a unit.


Also hoping some of this stuff gets AoS rules.
Doubt it will be FEC friendly, but I can hope.
Either way my finecast Varghulf is getting replaced with the plastic critter.

Well, here’s Belakor in his ”full” glory. They were zooming and panning in several angles, so it’s not perfect:

Had time to settle down and digest what we were shown.

Lumineth stuff is mostly fantastic. Only one I’m iffy on is the Loreseeker. Somehow it just doesn’t quite work. Now, it may simply be the angle of the photograph, so final opinion remains in development. But it’s bits and bobs just look a wee bit chunky. Main offender for me is the armpit scale mail. The individual scales just seem a bit big. Reduce by 50%, and add more, could look a lot best.

Gardus - whilst they’re not hurting for releases, it is nice to see Stormcast get a second named character. And a pretty visually interesting one for my money. I’m particularly fond of the helmet.

Mounted Wight King. Yes. 100% yes. Literally nothing I do not like about that bad boy. Most Impressively, it doesn’t look “new”. If you put that amongst existing Wight Cavalry, I don’t think the casual eye could tell there’s a several year gap between the two kits. Wonderful job.

Ghost Boy. Erm....not quite my cup of tea. I think it’s the Warmachine style “unfeasibly large thing attach”. Nothing fundamentally wrong with it, just not one for me.

Mad mob. Absolutely love it. I’ve a weakness for Savage Orcs (once had an all metal army. Fully painted too!) and like the Wight King, nice to see they’ve not reinvented that particular wheel.

Cursed City. I’m excited. I am very, very, very excited. Everything looks fantastic. I even quite like the Zombies, as they’re certainly a different take on what is now a fairly tired trope.

Hero models all look interesting. Emelda does look a bit plain, but I think for a dedicated warrior, the lack of wafty detail suits. Importantly for me, none look overwrought. Practical clothing and armour, nothing too flashy. Favourite for me is the Ogre. Getting strong “Marauder Miniatures” vibes from it.

Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme!

Thanks Kanluwen for running this thread and Matrindur for your contribution!

Sadly couldn't keep up with it as it was running as I was playing in a tourney but my goodness did it deliver. Loving most of the new Lumnieth things that have been shown and it seems that running an all Vanari army is going to be entirely doable. Really surprised that the new version of swordmasters is Vanari as I had it in mind that they were going to be River Temple, why I am not sure (Underworlds?) but with a head swap from the Wardens kit they will look cool. The ballista being three stringed doesn't bother me which also was surprising, I spent ages cutting out the extra strings from my archers but will probably leave that as is.

The rest of the reveal was cool as well, not into WHQ but it looks nice and the Underworlds warband doesn't do it for me (was really hoping for a sneak peek at the OBR).

It's funny because I was convinced that the Swordmasters were going to be River Temple.

I'm glad that this one is super Vanari heavy though. The Underworlds one seems to fit in with the Swordmasters too, rather than River Temple.

Personally, I like the three stringed bows.

Messiah wrote:
Well, here’s Belakor in his ”full” glory. They were zooming and panning in several angles, so it’s not perfect:

Very nice; was planning to have a go myself this afternoon while secretly hoping someone would beat me to it, so thanks!

This may well end up being one of my favourite large models GW have done in a long time; perhaps one of the best ever. Solid pose (not hopping around like the Bloodthirster, or standing weirdly on his weapon like the Verminlord), relatively restrained in terms of extra details (just classic chains, skulls and hooks) and no massive amounts of floaty gak (flaming sword is.. alright, rarely a fan of how it looks moulded in plastic, but it does provide a spot of colour in an otherwise dark grey model). Still fear he will be incredibly boring to paint in his typical colours, but let's see about that later. Just wish the normal plastic daemon prince had 10% of the quality this one seems to have.

Cronch wrote:
My bet is he's either undersized or they're going to scale ogors down slowly?

GW? Scale down?

tneva82 wrote:
1m guy lifting you　up like darth vader at the start of anh(which in itself is inhuman strength. Unsurprising since that was robot strength. Showed instantly that's not human) shows instantly something very weird is attacking you.

Robot?

Only his forearms are cybernetic, the rest of the arm, shoulders, and spine are human still...

Eh no spine is artificial. As are　quite a few internal organs(like lungs that were replaced with iron version), nearly 100% of his skin, lots of bones were artificial etc. As obi wan said he's more machine now than man.

And point was him lifting antilles in a way no human could instantly reveals he's not just human in suit but something　unnatural.

Gardus - whilst they’re not hurting for releases, it is nice to see Stormcast get a second named character. And a pretty visually interesting one for my money. I’m particularly fond of the helmet.

Funnily enough, aside from the special edition/shop b-day stuff, Stormcast had nothing released since summer of 2018 when 2nd ed hit and their battletome got released. That's nearly 3 years of no mainstream releases, which I think people don't quite register.

So, if that chaos warrior were upright, he'd be about what, knee high? So that puts Be'lakor about bloodthirster sized?

Looks to me more like the Underworlds muscle Vamp if that helps.

AOS just cementing its amazing model design, makes my former 40k love turn into mush. Ugh these are all wonderfully designed.

Yeah the lumineth banner carrier and the balliistia is the only models of that range I do not like but man I really like the Eastern Influences on the models, the silk under armor (which was always bulky which gives the model a nice 'flow' and feel to them).

Here are my favorite models of the lumineth


0 : Kangroo War Riders (Cause they are so cool they break all conventions)
1. Warden (Sword Variant)
2. Blade Lords
3. Goku/Air Mage
4. Loremaster
5. Wind Spirit (Regular)
6. Painter
7. Twins
8. Spear Warden
9. Special Wind Spirit
10. Ballistia
11. Bannermen

I think thats all the new lumineth coming out? unless they also released a unmounted Vanari HQ Choice.

Jackal90 wrote:
Ogors are typically diminutive because that’s their entire culture.
Becoming an immortal creature does give you time though.

Considering he isn’t surrounded by other ogors either, I’d say it is possible for one to actually become semi intelligent.

Either way, the heavy Kislev vibe got me straight away.
Will need him and a few of his bodyguards to make a unit.


Also hoping some of this stuff gets AoS rules.
Doubt it will be FEC friendly, but I can hope.
Either way my finecast Varghulf is getting replaced with the plastic critter.

Well you can be happy.
There’s warscrolls for it all in the box.

Warscroll are always on their webstore, for free......

Yeah, but assuming he’s buying the models, thus getting the box, then the pertinent information is - the warscrolls are in the box.
But sure..

Depends on the alliances.
Anything that has the FEC key word I’ll instantly get.

The big critter I’ll get anyway as it’s a nice Varghulf alternative.

I’ll likely just pick bits up from eBay but the scrolls are always on the app anyway.

The only thing shown that will directly be picked up by me is the Stormcast character, who looks amazing.

That said, those Lumineth make me wish I had picked up stuff from the beginning, but my buddy is gonna be pretty happy with them when they drop

Lumineth minis are all amazing IMO. My poor wallet though...

 rybackstun wrote:
The only thing shown that will directly be picked up by me is the Stormcast character, who looks amazing.

That said, those Lumineth make me wish I had picked up stuff from the beginning, but my buddy is gonna be pretty happy with them when they drop

My only gripe is the missed opportunity for a third style hammer first landing.