I’m guessing we’ll see some more of those Lumineth models and some of the new Soulblight stuff. Probably a bit more from Cursed City and maybe something from Warcry?
Not wanting to see lumineth. We already saw most and they should be coming soon enough anyway. I want to see new previews. Not reheats
We’ve seen a couple, but there was a lot of models just previewed, rather than shown, that they’ll presumably show. If you aren’t wanting to see them, they’re gonna show them at some point, may as well get it out the way.
Not wanting to see lumineth. We already saw most and they should be coming soon enough anyway. I want to see new previews. Not reheats
We’ve seen a couple, but there was a lot of models just previewed, rather than shown, that they’ll presumably show. If you aren’t wanting to see them, they’re gonna show them at some point, may as well get it out the way.
Yea.in release soon. We know what's coming. Waste to see now and very soon again when could be seeing something we don't know already. 3 times same is boring.
Not wanting to see lumineth. We already saw most and they should be coming soon enough anyway. I want to see new previews. Not reheats
We’ve seen a couple, but there was a lot of models just previewed, rather than shown, that they’ll presumably show. If you aren’t wanting to see them, they’re gonna show them at some point, may as well get it out the way.
Yea.in release soon. We know what's coming. Waste to see now and very soon again when could be seeing something we don't know already. 3 times same is boring.
Disagree. Hope we see some of the Lumineth stuff that was only shown in silhouette before, artillery especially, and any of the rules would be nice.
I like that they’re doing these preview as often as they are. Even if each one doesn’t necesarrily show a lot, they’re pretty fun.
I’m guessing it’s a way too keep interest up during the slowed down schedule during quarantine. But I would like to see them keep going in the future. (But maybe, hopegully, showing more stuff every time (one can always hope^^))
Not wanting to see lumineth. We already saw most and they should be coming soon enough anyway. I want to see new previews. Not reheats
We’ve seen a couple, but there was a lot of models just previewed, rather than shown, that they’ll presumably show. If you aren’t wanting to see them, they’re gonna show them at some point, may as well get it out the way.
Yea.in release soon. We know what's coming. Waste to see now and very soon again when could be seeing something we don't know already. 3 times same is boring.
Disagree. Hope we see some of the Lumineth stuff that was only shown in silhouette before, artillery especially, and any of the rules would be nice.
So you have seen them then in 3 reveals before getting them on your hand.
If release was late fine but 3 reveals for what is soon released is excess
Not wanting to see lumineth. We already saw most and they should be coming soon enough anyway. I want to see new previews. Not reheats
We’ve seen a couple, but there was a lot of models just previewed, rather than shown, that they’ll presumably show. If you aren’t wanting to see them, they’re gonna show them at some point, may as well get it out the way.
Yea.in release soon. We know what's coming. Waste to see now and very soon again when could be seeing something we don't know already. 3 times same is boring.
Disagree. Hope we see some of the Lumineth stuff that was only shown in silhouette before, artillery especially, and any of the rules would be nice.
So you have seen them then in 3 reveals before getting them on your hand.
If release was late fine but 3 reveals for what is soon released is excess
Again, I disagree. I care nothing at all for the 'Rooelfs nor the wind aspect. I am interested in the rest of it, which we have seen nothing bar the Vanari Lord and some models in silhouette and I would like to see what the models actually look and maybe some rules info if we are lucky.
tneva82 wrote: So you have seen them then in 3 reveals before getting them on your hand.
If release was late fine but 3 reveals for what is soon released is excess
Hm. I think it was the same with the Slaanesh-release. 1 preview with new demonprince guy and som armored soldiers. 2nd with archers (mounted/on foot) and a third where they showed of the gluttonguy in the carriage.
My guess is that piecing out the reveals is a way to both fill the time and keep up some hype over the extended release-time imposed by the pandemic.
(Just a guess, of course. But I don’t belive they used to have several preview-videos for the same release prior to that).
Wouldn't mind if its a model of the female Stormcast from the forthcoming Stormvault cover. Its like she's ready to yell "By the power of Sigmar!".
Some of the Soulblight head honchos make sense here, although maybe they'll reveal the "Obsidius Mallex" villian for Cursed City? Mallex was released shortly after BSF as the standard Chaos marine lord, so it might be an undead-lord sort of villian perhaps?
Pulling out a fantasy wish list from thin air...
Harlequin, Craftworlds or Ynnari 40K codex. Dominus knight for Titanicus. Some of the BSF models for separate release, such as the Zoat. A significant announcement for Aeronautica. A Forgeworld The Emperor of Mankind model. Heroes of the Hinterlands expanded into its own ruleset or part of the next generals handbook. A new Harlequin character...
...EPIC 40K RETURNS WITH ORK AND ELDAR TITANS!
...sorry, that last one just popped out. Been holding it in for two years...
Seriously though, no idea. Most likely a quick'n'quiet one.
Thargrim wrote: Getting a bit tired of the Lumineth at this point. But if the vampires are included in the preview at least that's something to look forward to.
Something to remember is that these previews used to be just at big events, like Adepticon/GenCon or the Open Days. And those previews used to be rather large chunks all at once, then months till release.
I'm liking this setup a lot more. Some of the stuff might feel repetitive but it's not like we really saw much on the Lumineth. We saw the Windchargers and the Spirit of the Wind, silhouettes of other stuff, and had a character that was teased in silhouette shown off early. We would not have even known about Vampires beyond Cursed City if not for the leaked potato cam photos.
SamusDrake wrote: Harlequin, Craftworlds or Ynnari 40K codex. Dominus knight for Titanicus. Some of the BSF models for separate release, such as the Zoat. A significant announcement for Aeronautica. A Forgeworld The Emperor of Mankind model. Heroes of the Hinterlands expanded into its own ruleset or part of the next generals handbook. A new Harlequin character...
...EPIC 40K RETURNS WITH ORK AND ELDAR TITANS!
Given none of those, with the possible exception of the "Heroes of the Hinterlands" thing, are tied to AOS properties, I think we can be fairly confident they won't happen.
Having said that, I'm not predicting anything until I know what games they've said will be being covered
I want soulblight and they'll probably get something, but it's probably mostly Realmlords. They've got a ton of models teased that they can officially show off, and their release can't be too far away, right?
Realmlords and Soulblight for sure. I am expecting the Teclis book in the Broken Realms series to be previewed as well when they preview the new Lumineth models.
I'm excited to see what that reveal will show, particularly if they include any war cry stuff. I'm very eager to see what direction they are going to go with that.
(I'd also LOVE if they revealed some Lumineth terrain sets)
As it's a warhammer preview, it won't only be AoS related I presume. I doubt any 40k models will be shown, other than maybe the ad mech and ork model that was teased at the start of 9th in full, I presume the main announcements will be road map for the next codex's. I think Drukari is the last of the previously announced batch, so we may find out what is coming next. I think it is fair to say that it's out of ad mech, sisters and orks within the next few anyway.
Hopefully it won't be just 2x announced, but 6x like previous, I think the toned down release schedule can still accommodate 6x new codex's this year for 40k at least, unless there happens to be a significant model release alongside one that was planned that may need to be pushed back now with the factory slow downs and the like.
We also still potentially haven't had the initial factory closing hit either from last march, which may push back the pre-orders and releases with how far ahead they start manufacturing.
And I imagine also maybe some of the rumour engines that look like terrian could be this guy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So basically it's a Lumineth Realmlord who turned into a Lich and also is wearing the railing of a galleon or some fancy staircase by mistake.
Hmmm, from the silhouette, it looks like whatever that is is drawing the smoke out of the skull with their other hand? So, an extremely long-limbed undead with some kind of contraption on their back? Interesting.
Some of the Blood Dragons were described as using wargear that was in less than stellar shape, what with them acting as mercenaries/sellswords.
Also possible that it's a sentimental piece for him. The thing suspected to be a vampire from Broken Realms: Morathi went out of its way to save one of its ancestors from Morathi's clutches.
Well, there are 6 (anti-)heroes and 3 baddies still not revealed on the Cursed City website, we're down 3 more this weekend and they're going for one per week otherwise - game might be out early April?
They said in the last preview that all the items shown would be out or up for preorder "within the next three months, barring any COVID or shipping delays".
I'm very fine with both moar furry elves *and* WHQ ^^
So, given the one clampack vampire leak, we'll most likely see a new death AoS army. Underworlds has a clear roadmap. What's happening otherwise in the near future that might come before the WHQ box? The DEldar vs Sisters box, most likely with a small Sisters wave including the walker, and even Ecclesiarchy, given all the rumour pics? Necro Cawdor and/or Redemptionists? (Obviously won't be seeing any of these this WE, though)
(Oh, and forgot about the new Kill Team Box + new Titan for AT, of course)
Kanluwen wrote: They said in the last preview that all the items shown would be out or up for preorder "within the next three months, barring any COVID or shipping delays".
Not surprising. That's generally the case
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Kanluwen wrote: Seriously, chill out. You wouldn't even know about the Vampire Lords if not for someone leaking product photos.
Does Easter weekend fit with predictions for Cursed City's launch? It's a great time to buy a game to keep the kids busy over the holiday, and giving gifts instead of eggs is quite common nowadays.
Even adults will have the long weekend to fill.
Not quite ready to jump into Underworlds( Direchasm isn't my cup of tea ) but interested to see what the Ossiarch warband looks like. The Soulblights look good too...
Do the older warbands such as the sepulchral guard and eyes of the nine still work with the newest rules?
Nah. You can tell a bit when it's a GW sponsored 'leak' vs an actual leak. They don't tend to leak packaged product photos...and their leaks tend to be tied to whatever the preview/preorders are. The Windchargers were going to get shown off that weekend but not the Vampire.
SamusDrake wrote: Not quite ready to jump into Underworlds( Direchasm isn't my cup of tea ) but interested to see what the Ossiarch warband looks like. The Soulblights look good too...
Do the older warbands such as the sepulchral guard and eyes of the nine still work with the newest rules?
All warbands still work.
Just some better than others, competitive wise
Lord Perversor wrote: It's a Lumineth look at the mid of the image and you can see the *bike* handles like the Scinari Cathallar or something mocking them.
I thought the exact same thing at first, but it looks like if you trace the silhouette of the "tassles" all the way down they actually look like handles to some nasty-looking tools suspended from his waist-bar-belt-thing (maybe some kind of serrated knife or corkscrew on the left, and a sickle on the right).
That is a remarkably busy silhouette, so the waist-bar-best-thing might not be attached to the character/model, but otherwise it does seem to be a reoccurring motif for Lumineth so I'm not sure what to make of that! Maybe a coincidence, maybe some denizen of Shyish taking the piss out of some Lumineth invaders.
You know, it would be cool if the final boss had a "werewolf" final form (and not locked behind an expansion). Though since he has two pelts on (and its AOS, where creatures have two tails, etc) he's going to be a completely original creature. A werewolf with two heads, so he can look in every direction. An Awarewolf.
Wow, absolutely zero 40k, or 30k/40k setting related announcements. Will catch up on the article later in the day to look at the warhammer quest related news.
I assume we will have another preview in a few weeks then, maybe after Drukhari are released to detail the road map for the next batch of 40k Codex's.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Wow, absolutely zero 40k, or 30k/40k setting related announcements. Will catch up on the article later in the day to look at the warhammer quest related news.
I assume we will have another preview in a few weeks then, maybe after Drukhari are released to detail the road map for the next batch of 40k Codex's.
Well since there's only 40k previews why not only AOS related previews?
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Wow, absolutely zero 40k, or 30k/40k setting related announcements. Will catch up on the article later in the day to look at the warhammer quest related news.
I assume we will have another preview in a few weeks then, maybe after Drukhari are released to detail the road map for the next batch of 40k Codex's.
Well since there's only 40k previews why not only AOS related previews?
I have no issue with it, I just wasn't expecting it, they usually have something extra sprinkled in like a necromunda etc, I think there has been a preview before with no direct 40k in it. Like I said anyway, I'm still interested namely for the warhammer quest related content... A little concerned about the potential price tag though with the news of the new kill team price...
They're probably testing how well game-specific (well, setting-specific I suppose) Previews go considering whenever there's been a mixed event the non-40k (even stuff like Titanicus and Necromunda) reveals always have "BORING SHOW 40K" or "WHERES BLACK TEMPLARS???" being spammed in the comments, even when they made it subscriber only.
Arbitrator wrote: They're probably testing how well game-specific (well, setting-specific I suppose) Previews go considering whenever there's been a mixed event the non-40k (even stuff like Titanicus and Necromunda) reveals always have "BORING SHOW 40K" or "WHERES BLACK TEMPLARS???" being spammed in the comments, even when they made it subscriber only.
Yeah, I hadn't thought of that
It may be worth turning the comments off, however, the black templars will still come in this preview chat, I assure you.
Arbitrator wrote: They're probably testing how well game-specific (well, setting-specific I suppose) Previews go considering whenever there's been a mixed event the non-40k (even stuff like Titanicus and Necromunda) reveals always have "BORING SHOW 40K" or "WHERES BLACK TEMPLARS???" being spammed in the comments, even when they made it subscriber only.
It might be that they have enough new releases in the pipeline to justify separate AOS / 40K previews, especially if the stuff they're showing off will be coming out around the time the release schedule returns to normal.
Dark Eldar are up soon, and after that we have no firm idea what the next batch of codexes will be. Wouldn't be surprised to see a 40k / necromunda / aeronautica / etc stream following this in early March.
Arbitrator wrote: They're probably testing how well game-specific (well, setting-specific I suppose) Previews go considering whenever there's been a mixed event the non-40k (even stuff like Titanicus and Necromunda) reveals always have "BORING SHOW 40K" or "WHERES BLACK TEMPLARS???" being spammed in the comments, even when they made it subscriber only.
It might be that they have enough new releases in the pipeline to justify separate AOS / 40K previews, especially if the stuff they're showing off will be coming out around the time the release schedule returns to normal.
Dark Eldar are up soon, and after that we have no firm idea what the next batch of codexes will be. Wouldn't be surprised to see a 40k / necromunda / aeronautica / etc stream following this in early March.
Eh it's not like this is first such specific preview...
Arbitrator wrote: They're probably testing how well game-specific (well, setting-specific I suppose) Previews go considering whenever there's been a mixed event the non-40k (even stuff like Titanicus and Necromunda) reveals always have "BORING SHOW 40K" or "WHERES BLACK TEMPLARS???" being spammed in the comments, even when they made it subscriber only.
It might be that they have enough new releases in the pipeline to justify separate AOS / 40K previews, especially if the stuff they're showing off will be coming out around the time the release schedule returns to normal.
Dark Eldar are up soon, and after that we have no firm idea what the next batch of codexes will be. Wouldn't be surprised to see a 40k / necromunda / aeronautica / etc stream following this in early March.
Sisters of Battle have the new kits coming out and some Ecclesiarchy-esq teasers we've not seen yet so they'll definitely be in there somewhere.
There's the Ork model teaser and the Skittari Alpha, plus Mechanicus have Engine War units that need cramming into a codex, which means either they'll be at the front or back of the queue - gets people buying two books after all.
Fair to say it'll probably Sisters/Orks/Mechanicus.
It's funny that people forget that Engine War "only" had three new kits(flyer, cavalry, birdmens) in it for AdMech. The Skorpius released a year or so prior, and the Manipulus was released as a Kill-Team exclusive model.
It's why I've been thinking there's Big Changes coming for AdMech as we went through at least two chances for a new codex in the closing days of 8th despite having been an early book.
Geifer wrote: Looking forward to what models they show. The silhouettes look promising.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Kinda hoping we get news on the next instalment of Broken Realms. Morathi was brill!
We probably will since Lumineth are tied to it.
We'll probably not see too much news on it, since Broken Realms: Teclis was announced and detailed at the last big preview.
I mean sure, we won't see much because the actual meat of it won't be revealed until it's announced for pre-order, but what do we actually know abut it? It exists, is to be released in the none too distant future and features Lumineth invading Shyish.
There's definitely room for relevant news such as a firm release date (or at least month), and if we can expect non-Lumineth models along with it. Since new undead outside of Warhammer Quest are still a big unknown other than that the faction exists and gets a clampack vampire, we could speculate all day if they're supposed to come with this Broken Realms book or the next or independent of them or whatever. GW dropping some info on that wouldn't necessarily be much, but still paint a clearer picture of the future. I'd be down for that.
I mean sure, we won't see much because the actual meat of it won't be revealed until it's announced for pre-order, but what do we actually know abut it? It exists, is to be released in the none too distant future and features Lumineth invading Shyish.
There's definitely room for relevant news such as a firm release date (or at least month), and if we can expect non-Lumineth models along with it. Since new undead outside of Warhammer Quest are still a big unknown other than that the faction exists and gets a clampack vampire, we could speculate all day if they're supposed to come with this Broken Realms book or the next or independent of them or whatever. GW dropping some info on that wouldn't necessarily be much, but still paint a clearer picture of the future. I'd be down for that.
Archmage Teclis is also the cover star for the next book in the thrilling Broken Realms saga. The narrative sees the Lumineth Realm-lords taking the fight to Nagash and, after this epic clash, the Mortal Realms will never be the same again. Can the purest light of the Lumineth break the dark curse of Death?
Along with new background that will forever change the Mortal Realms, the book features warscroll battalions for
Lumineth Realm-lords
Cities of Sigmar
Maggotkin of Nurgle
Flesh-eater Courts
Ossiarch Bonereapers
There are also warscrolls for a swathe of new Lumineth Realm-lords units, including some that we saw earlier in the week, and unique battleplans that let you play out some of the battles from the narrative yourself.
I'm not sure if this next bit is super relevant but I'll include it:
Of course, Teclis isn’t going to have everything his own way, Morathi will see to that. After claiming to have achieved apotheosis during the opening gambit of the Broken Realms saga, she is ready to unleash her forces in a fresh assault upon the Mortal Realms. What better way is there to begin such a campaign than with a new battletome?
I'm kinda/sorta wondering if the pattern will be Broken Realms-->Two New/Updated Books.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Kinda hoping we get news on the next instalment of Broken Realms. Morathi was brill!
Broken Realms: Settra!
That would be fun.
No, that would be ace!!!
Yeah, I’m thinking, between the necroquake and the Katophrane Curse going wild and connecting to random realms, Nagash’s hold on Death as a concept is subtly weakening even as his personal power grows. This would allow certain strong-willed dead people to break free of his control…
Assuming they don’t confirm that rumour where Settra is actually a Stormcast now…
Danny76 wrote: I’d imagine they both have their own timelines rather than a set one like that.
However with how spaced out Broken Realms is, it probably will end up being 2-3 battletomes between each BR.
That would mean just 3 or so br. Aos3 coming soon and gw wants br done before that.
Three books was plenty to bring back Girlyman and soft reboot 40k. AoS doesn't seem to be in for a revolution so all Broken Realms has to do is to wrap up the Soul Wars narrative and pave the way for whatever 3rd ed's story arc will be. Which won't actually be revealed in the last book and reserved for the 3rd ed starter box and tie-ins. Three books is plenty to achieve that goal.
Cronch wrote: there is 0 proof AoS3 is coming. Like with Vampirates...
As has been said, there is ample reason to believe this summer sees the release of AoS 3rd ed. Barring a leak you're not going to see proof until GW announces it, which won't be for another two or three months if it happens, but there's no denying that GW has released its two main games in three year intervals respectively since 2014. It is actually less believable to assume 3rd ed isn't coming this year.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Kinda hoping we get news on the next instalment of Broken Realms. Morathi was brill!
Broken Realms: Settra!
That would be fun.
So, I'm not a fan of GW mutilating characters from a different setting to give the new brand some sort of legitimacy and would have preferred Age of Definitely not the Guy from Our Old Game to be its own thing, but you know, I'd be down for that if it meant even the slightest chance of getting Tomb King models again.
3 days to go today (which is of course accurate), another with five days to go two pages ago - did I miss the one for yesterday, or didn't GW release a picture then?
Geifer wrote: 3 days to go today (which is of course accurate), another with five days to go two pages ago - did I miss the one for yesterday, or didn't GW release a picture then?
This thread(thankfully) hasn't been getting spammed as hard as the other preview threads have since there's no 40k involvement.
They released a picture yesterday. It was just kinda blending with the 'set preview' title card in that it was what we've been calling the Wolf. I have all of them in the OP and Zamerion's been posting them as they show up(thanks for that! sometimes they slip through because facebook is awful).
Could be that Orruks are getting some extra love their way? The Rogue Idol is currently no longer available on FW so maybe an Orruk update coming soon?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Kinda hoping we get news on the next instalment of Broken Realms. Morathi was brill!
Broken Realms: Settra!
That would be fun.
No, that would be ace!!!
Yeah, I’m thinking, between the necroquake and the Katophrane Curse going wild and connecting to random realms, Nagash’s hold on Death as a concept is subtly weakening even as his personal power grows. This would allow certain strong-willed dead people to break free of his control…
Assuming they don’t confirm that rumour where Settra is actually a Stormcast now…
I will die on the hill of Settra and my dusty bois coming back.
Eldarsif wrote: Could be that Orruks are getting some extra love their way? The Rogue Idol is currently no longer available on FW so maybe an Orruk update coming soon?
FW has been stripping AoS stuff like mad.
Last Christmas we lost a bunch of models (mostly lumped into destruction). This year we lost a bunch of chaos models (dwarves and the centaurs and the like).
At this rate I think the only things the will leave are the cross over chaos Demons because they are in HH and 40K and perhaps the Gloomspite models as those did get some marketing and might actually have sales figures. The rest they've been quietly dumping more and more of. All the fancy dragons and such are long gone sadly.
Eldarsif wrote: Could be that Orruks are getting some extra love their way? The Rogue Idol is currently no longer available on FW so maybe an Orruk update coming soon?
It’s the savage orruk underworlds warband, I wouldn’t expect anything more than that.
So it's pretty likely that for Underworlds and Quest we just see more pictures of things we already know are coming, but what about AoS proper? It should be a new announcement, right? New book, new models?
If megagargants get any new stuff/unique heroes, it'll probably be an upgrade sprue boxed in with the current kit. It worked well for the imperial knights, and gargants all have the same basic build, with just different heads, belly coverings, and weapons, which is super easy to add additional sprues for
Rogue idol is still around, it's just out of stock in some places.
edit: Oh hey weird, it does say "no longer available" in the places it is out of stock, which is everywhere except the US. Looks like it may be going the way of the dodo.
Given it's set up to accept a new sprue of options I could see them getting a reboxed kit akin to the Imperial Knight Warden/Canis Rex sooner than later.
Cronch wrote: the whole release felt very fire and forget tbh so I still doubt it.
Also priced at a high premium so not many people were rushing to buy the kits. I have yet to see anyone field them except for random people on AoSFB groups.
Cronch wrote: the whole release felt very fire and forget tbh so I still doubt it.
Also priced at a high premium so not many people were rushing to buy the kits. I have yet to see anyone field them except for random people on AoSFB groups.
That's been my holdup. I love the concept, but the cost of entry is ridiculously high.
I think Son's is a slow-grow army made worse in that whoever set the prices set them very high.
It's not an army GW expects people to rush out and buy en-mass like regular armies; instead its more one that GW expects players to go out and buy 1 gargant for their current army. Then if they collect a different army in a different Grand Alliance they go out and get another for that army. Suddenly they've 2 "named" versions (which are different) which can be regular versions in a Son's army. That just means adding a few aleguzzlers and the book and you've a "cheap" army.
So I see it as one that GW expects to grow slowly over the years and outside of the normal army growth.
The whole "fire and forget" I think is because of when it released; in the mess that was 2020. There were lots of oddities that year, heck Necrons and Marines waited 1-2 months for codex just to use the new models from Indomitus.
In general most 2K armies cost "around" the same ballpark figure. That said starting an army of Ossiarchs is a lot cheaper to get a few models than it is to start an army of Gargants. It's sticker-shock value and it does affect people on what they choose to start at times.
Cronch wrote: the whole release felt very fire and forget tbh so I still doubt it.
Also priced at a high premium so not many people were rushing to buy the kits. I have yet to see anyone field them except for random people on AoSFB groups.
Maybe it's your group...There's several players with either individual or armies here. By all looks sounds they have sold quite well.
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Overread wrote: I think Son's is a slow-grow army made worse in that whoever set the prices set them very high.
It's not an army GW expects people to rush out and buy en-mass like regular armies; instead its more one that GW expects players to go out and buy 1 gargant for their current army. Then if they collect a different army in a different Grand Alliance they go out and get another for that army. Suddenly they've 2 "named" versions (which are different) which can be regular versions in a Son's army. That just means adding a few aleguzzlers and the book and you've a "cheap" army.
It's no more expensive to get 2k sob than 2k of others. In fact cheaper than some like lumineth...
New armies keep getting more pricier. That's given. GW keeps upping prices of new releases compared to equilavents so only thing that keeps overall price level in check is if points are high enough you don't need as much. But new products going up in price is like decade+ over strategy after GW stopped yearly price hikes all range
Afterall GW sells you rather one box for 100 than 2 box at 50 each.
Danny76 wrote: Sure like short term it’s cheaper, as you can just do a few units, or start at 1k or whatnot.
But endgame. If you have 2000 points, you’ve probably spent roughly the same amount?
Depends entirely on the army. A few SC of FEC can get you a legal and decent army at a relatively low price.
Same with Beastmaw Raiders.
To be fair those two are really old models/lines so not comparable to the newer models that GW offers, but when it comes to getting an army on the cheap they are decent picks.
Ultimately I think we'll see a SoB box with two Mega-Gargants like they did with Imperial Knights. Helps them offload kits and get people started.
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Overread wrote: I think Son's is a slow-grow army made worse in that whoever set the prices set them very high.
It's not an army GW expects people to rush out and buy en-mass like regular armies; instead its more one that GW expects players to go out and buy 1 gargant for their current army. Then if they collect a different army in a different Grand Alliance they go out and get another for that army. Suddenly they've 2 "named" versions (which are different) which can be regular versions in a Son's army. That just means adding a few aleguzzlers and the book and you've a "cheap" army.
So I see it as one that GW expects to grow slowly over the years and outside of the normal army growth.
I do agree with your assessment. I think the biggest hurt around the sticker price is that they are more expensive than their Imperium counterparts.
Eh. Age of Sigmar is kind of lacking in the named characters department for the subfactions. There's a few like Legions of Nagash, Chaos, and Ossiarch Bonereapers that have quite a few but the rest tend to be one specific subfaction.
Stormcast, for example, are basically just Hammers of Sigmar for named characters. The various White Dwarfs have introduced a few lore characters into rules but it's been heavily an "Anonymous Heroes All the Time" game for awhile now.
Going back to SoB vs Knights, not only are they more expensive, but lack the (almost universal) appeal of Big Mecha with customizable guns and whatnot vs a very tall overweight human.
As for the preview, that is 99% some sort of SCE lord, i'd love if it were Gardus, the first non-golden SCE hero models!
Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing behind them whilst Giants in AoS have a few months of marketing. More if you go back to Old World, but they were never a big marketing push like Knights were in 40K over the years.
This isn't something SoB are alone in. A lot of new factions for AoS just sort of appeared, Ossiarchs, Elves with hammers etc... These are really big new concepts and they just aren't going to suddenly beat armies with 30 years of marketing and fans.
I think GW knows this, like they also know big second waves encourage more buyers and customers for smaller armies. More diversity, more options, more creative style and flare and thus more customers.
Elves with hammers aren't a "new faction". or some kind of "big new idea".
People just want to grouse about something. It would have been the hats alone if they'd had halberds or something else.
Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing
Do they? I was entirely unaware they existed until they...well, started existing as a faction. Maybe I missed it, but having picked 40k up at start of 3rd ed (and gawing at it in WD's a year or two earlier), the focus was always on titans as the big boys of 40k setting, to me at least.
Sons aren't an expensive army to build, but they can't be split into bite sized chunks. I can't spend $50 one day, come back and spend $80 for another kit & character, follow up with $60 for an elite box, etc.
Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing
Do they? I was entirely unaware they existed until they...well, started existing as a faction. Maybe I missed it, but having picked 40k up at start of 3rd ed (and gawing at it in WD's a year or two earlier), the focus was always on titans as the big boys of 40k setting, to me at least.
The first Imperial Knights models were released in ‘94 along side the new edition of Epic but I’m fairly sure they were mentioned previously in fluff.
Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing
Do they? I was entirely unaware they existed until they...well, started existing as a faction. Maybe I missed it, but having picked 40k up at start of 3rd ed (and gawing at it in WD's a year or two earlier), the focus was always on titans as the big boys of 40k setting, to me at least.
The first Imperial Knights models were released in ‘94 along side the new edition of Epic but I’m fairly sure they were mentioned previously in fluff.
Exactly. Knights on the 40K table might be newer, but prior to that they had several versions in metal and plastic through at the very least Titan Legions (plastic knights in the boxed set and multiple metal versions). They also have stories and lore and artwork. Basically by the time Knights appeared in 40K they already had a fanbase who had seen them in other scale games; seen them in art and stories and seen the big expensive FW kits and wanted in on the game.
In contrast Gargants have the Bonegrinder from Old World, but FW's marketing for Fantasy is very weak in general. The lore and the rest just hasn't supported them anywhere near like what knights in 40K got. So by the time Gargants appeared the number of long term fans who were eager for them is comparably far fewer. In contrast Gargants are very "generic" in that they can basically fit into any army as an ally and fit well into destruction in general. So across the game they have a vaster appeal as an allied model option.
I'd be pretty happy for characters not of Hammers of Sigmar to get some love. Hammers has a completely absurd number already; more than most entire battletomes. The pattern of giving nearly all the named characters to Ultramarines irritates me to no end, and is just crappy for everyone involved. The Lord-Celestant with Shield would fly off the shelves if he wasn't locked into being a special character for Hammers that doesn't even have established background beyond his own model description.
Overread wrote: Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing behind them whilst Giants in AoS have a few months of marketing. More if you go back to Old World, but they were never a big marketing push like Knights were in 40K over the years.
This isn't something SoB are alone in. A lot of new factions for AoS just sort of appeared, Ossiarchs, Elves with hammers etc... These are really big new concepts and they just aren't going to suddenly beat armies with 30 years of marketing and fans.
I think GW knows this, like they also know big second waves encourage more buyers and customers for smaller armies. More diversity, more options, more creative style and flare and thus more customers.
So you're saying... a second wave COULD happen? Maybe even a Warcry release? I mean, look at Lumineth. They had their big release and a few months later they got more models.
Something tells me you're unlikely to see Giants as a faction in Warcry, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some scenarios in WD at some point using a Giant as an antagonist.
They already have rules for monster fights in Warcry, but that's where the monster is npc to fight against rather than as a warband.
My view is always be hopeful for new things, but never pin all your hopes on it. Learn to accept that you might not see anything for years and build your hobby around that. Perhaps have a few armies so that the updates are spread out over them; or even splice into other games. Don't just hyper focus on 1 force.
At least in so far as your budget can go, or heck you might love giants so much you want to build a 100K force of them.
Yup. That would be my first guess, as well as guesses number 2-5.
Starting to look forward to tomorrow. The new undead (be it for Quest, Underworlds or AoS) have been the most exciting things in ages for me - not all amazing, but some great things and nothing irredeemably bad. And with the combination of Quest and the AoS faction, it could be a fairly sizeable range.
Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing
Do they? I was entirely unaware they existed until they...well, started existing as a faction. Maybe I missed it, but having picked 40k up at start of 3rd ed (and gawing at it in WD's a year or two earlier), the focus was always on titans as the big boys of 40k setting, to me at least.
The first Imperial Knights models were released in ‘94 along side the new edition of Epic but I’m fairly sure they were mentioned previously in fluff.
Exactly. Knights on the 40K table might be newer, but prior to that they had several versions in metal and plastic through at the very least Titan Legions (plastic knights in the boxed set and multiple metal versions). They also have stories and lore and artwork. Basically by the time Knights appeared in 40K they already had a fanbase who had seen them in other scale games; seen them in art and stories and seen the big expensive FW kits and wanted in on the game.
In contrast Gargants have the Bonegrinder from Old World, but FW's marketing for Fantasy is very weak in general. The lore and the rest just hasn't supported them anywhere near like what knights in 40K got. So by the time Gargants appeared the number of long term fans who were eager for them is comparably far fewer. In contrast Gargants are very "generic" in that they can basically fit into any army as an ally and fit well into destruction in general. So across the game they have a vaster appeal as an allied model option.
Not sure how fair that comparison is - in the end, they're just Giants after all. I'd say most people who like the Gargants like them because they like and have always liked Giants. Stylistically, they are hardly different from the previous plastic Giant, just bigger. Perhaps I'm underestimating the draw of the lore...
the lore is "once behemat got killed, some giants grew BIG and tiny bit smarter than the usual hamster intelligence of a gargant". They're the lowest effort battletome since Fyreslayers and i expect will see as much love in the future.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The pattern of giving nearly all the named characters to Ultramarines irritates me to no end
Are you stuck in 2012? Or are Adrax Agatone/Codicier Natorian/Iron Father Feirros/Kayvaan Shrike/Kor’sarro Khan/Tor Garadon/Chief Librarian Mephiston/Lazarus/Ragnar Blackmane all Ultramarines according to you? Because vast majority of character releases recently were NOT Ultramarine and you can even argue most of generic characters released in that time frame fit other chapters better and are rather poor fit in blue...
Looks like a skeleton knight to me. I suppose there's only so much you can get from a silhouette, but GW skeletons have a thin look just like this new model has, the way it's holding its lance suggests a slight, not super strong character. Not to mention that looks like a classic wight-style helmet.
That would match us getting a cavalry release which resembles the skeletons coming in Cursed City, because actually they're just packaging up a teaser sampler of a new AoS army in that game.
New Blood Knights would be awesome, as long as they rode "normal-ish" horses. The current kit more or less holds up very well, though for some reason, the dude whose job it is to blow the horn is the only one with something covering his face
New Blood Knights would be awesome, as long as they rode "normal-ish" horses. The current kit more or less holds up very well, though for some reason, the dude whose job it is to blow the horn is the only one with something covering his face
I love the look of Blood Knights except for the heads, so I bought some vamp heads from Puppetswar to replace them, despite my doubts over how suitable they would be. The picture on the PW website really doesn't do the heads justice, they make the Blood Knights look absolutely amazing.
I doubt that I'll buy any new Blood Knights for this reason, unless GW really smashes it out of the park.
If you’ve already taken the plunge into the world of aelfkind and picked up a copy of the first Battletome: Lumineth Realm-lords, you can get all of the warscrolls for the new units in the Broken Realms: Teclis book. There’s never been a better time to be a follower of the archmage.
Love the Lumineth stuff. I don’t usually care about the scenery kits but that Temple is gorgeous. The cover art of the new book is much better too (annoying as I haven’t long got the one from the Lumineth launch box).
Start of last year, the boxed set came out right just as Corona hit everywhere.
That said this new book is basically what Chaos got a few years back; an udpated beefy addition to the Battletome, but where all the new details are in the campaign book so you only have to get one. If you've already got the Lumineth book no need to rebuy it so soon.
I have to say I REALLY like the new Lumineth. I think its really rounded out the army very very well. They are a very very tempting force now.
ImAGeek wrote: Love the Lumineth stuff. I don’t usually care about the scenery kits but that Temple is gorgeous. The cover art of the new book is much better too (annoying as I haven’t long got the one from the Lumineth launch box).
They just mentioned there are other ways to get rules, if you bought it already
ImAGeek wrote: Love the Lumineth stuff. I don’t usually care about the scenery kits but that Temple is gorgeous. The cover art of the new book is much better too (annoying as I haven’t long got the one from the Lumineth launch box).
They just mentioned there are other ways to get rules, if you bought it already
Yeah that’s good, but this cover is much better, so I imagine I’ll get this too (plus everything in one book is much easier).
Love both hero characters.
I had a load of stormcast from AoS 1 box. Sold it all.
Soul wars, sold most of it.
Then Mortal Realms. Still have quite a bit. Up to issue 10.
Now, do I get this guy and go in hard..
frankelee wrote: When you've been looking at GW models for a few decades, you can start to see the tells. Obvious wight was wight.
It's more that we knew new vampires were coming up, and it wasn't clear whether those would include new skellies, while mounted characters didn't seem an obvious fit for Quest. So mounted vamp felt more likely that way.
Those Lumineth are much better than I had expected.
But that Wight, particularly as a former Vampire Counts, is absolutely stunning. One of the best miniatures I have seen from GW in a long time. I will probably pick that one up just to paint.
Looking at them all, they're not terrible. Lack of toe nails (AND WARPAINT?) aside, they're cool.
I've had a soft spot for savage orcs back in Fantsay, so I may have to pick at least one of them up
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Wight King- cool as hell.
Gardus- decent, I still don't like the lord celestant armor design, but i like the character and he's NOT a hammer of sigmar so +1.
Knoblauch Curator for nighthaunt: nice model, could do without the massive cross?
Lumineth:
I adore the terrain piece. I'm going to get it for just it's decorative value, it's easily the best thing GW released in ages.
The rest are...very mixed bag. Some of the characters are nice, the bolt thrower is neutral.
The cirque du solei twins are utter trash composition-wise, and her headgear looks like something out of 70s low-budget scifi.
The blademasters would be decent, if not for the horrible, massive buckets they wear on their heads. Too large, too heavy-looking, the decorations on them clash with the relatively streamlined and plain armor on the rest of the body.
That's (imo) a problem for a lot of the lumineth range- they look good till you get to the helmets/headgear.
As for LRL battletome 1.5, they can take it, hard cover and all, and stick it up their CEO. The previous version was released not even a year ago, there was NO reason not to include these units in it. What a waste of resources and trees' lives.
And they graciously let us know if we were suckers who got the previous book, we can pay them to get the stats in the campaign book, cause everyone loves bringing bundle of books to their games. Horrible, greedy move however you look at it.
GaroRobe wrote: The crow in the game has to be an eye stealer.
The necromancer has an eyepatch.
Witch hunter has one.
Skeleton has one.
Duardin has one.
GaroRobe wrote: The crow in the game has to be an eye stealer.
The necromancer has an eyepatch.
Witch hunter has one.
Skeleton has one.
Duardin has one.
Stop stealing eyes!
Looks like the crow on top of the one eyed zombie has an eye dangling from its mouth.
Looks like we're getting units of skellies and zombies, those are definitely getting boxed up separately. Also no terrain, no more content than BSF, made in line with the last three games.
Yeah... not really sold on the zombies. Conceptually it sounds great. In execution... eh. I'd rather have them without the junk.
Do like the skeletons.
Undead... ogres? They're a bit too green for ogres.
The vampire pack is... eh. Not great
Mostly very impressed.
50 models total (8 heroes, 42 hostiles), 10 objective markers (gallows skeleton, raven w/ key on a stone)
Apparently the end boss (wolfy wolf boy) is a vampire and ogre, but seems very very short for an ogre. But maybe they shrank him down for the promo shot next to the messenger-priest
This Lumineth wave was cleverly saved for last to make it up to all the regular Elf players for all the cow and kankagroo gak, great models all around and what an epic faction terrain.
Quest is a must buy for sure although I wonder why the models are carrying enough wood to build a boat. Really appreciate the plastic Varghulf, I hope he has his own character sprue.
This Lumineth wave was cleverly saved for last to make it up to all the regular Elf players for all the cow and kankagroo gak, great models all around and what an epic faction terrain.
Quest is a must buy for sure although I wonder why the models are carrying enough wood to build a boat. Really appreciate the plastic Varghulf, I hope he has his own character sprue.
The kangaroos are the best part of the whole line.
(one can always hope^^))
