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In general most 2K armies cost "around" the same ballpark figure. That said starting an army of Ossiarchs is a lot cheaper to get a few models than it is to start an army of Gargants. It's sticker-shock value and it does affect people on what they choose to start at times.

Sure like short term it’s cheaper, as you can just do a few units, or start at 1k or whatnot.

But endgame. If you have 2000 points, you’ve probably spent roughly the same amount?

 Eldarsif wrote:

Cronch wrote:
the whole release felt very fire and forget tbh so I still doubt it.

Also priced at a high premium so not many people were rushing to buy the kits. I have yet to see anyone field them except for random people on AoS FB groups.

Maybe it's your group...There's several players with either individual or armies here. By all looks sounds they have sold quite well.


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 Overread wrote:
I think Son's is a slow-grow army made worse in that whoever set the prices set them very high.

It's not an army GW expects people to rush out and buy en-mass like regular armies; instead its more one that GW expects players to go out and buy 1 gargant for their current army. Then if they collect a different army in a different Grand Alliance they go out and get another for that army. Suddenly they've 2 "named" versions (which are different) which can be regular versions in a Son's army. That just means adding a few aleguzzlers and the book and you've a "cheap" army.

It's no more expensive to get 2k sob than 2k of others. In fact cheaper than some like lumineth...

It's no more expensive to get 2k sob than 2k of others. In fact cheaper than some like lumineth...

Lumineth are obscenely priced, but also a portent of future prices considering the Slaanesh releases.

New armies keep getting more pricier. That's given. GW keeps upping prices of new releases compared to equilavents so only thing that keeps overall price level in check is if points are high enough you don't need as much. But new products going up in price is like decade+ over strategy after GW stopped yearly price hikes all range

Afterall GW sells you rather one box for 100 than 2 box at 50 each.

Danny76 wrote:
Sure like short term it’s cheaper, as you can just do a few units, or start at 1k or whatnot.

But endgame. If you have 2000 points, you’ve probably spent roughly the same amount?

Depends entirely on the army. A few SC of FEC can get you a legal and decent army at a relatively low price.

Same with Beastmaw Raiders.

To be fair those two are really old models/lines so not comparable to the newer models that GW offers, but when it comes to getting an army on the cheap they are decent picks.

Ultimately I think we'll see a SoB box with two Mega-Gargants like they did with Imperial Knights. Helps them offload kits and get people started.


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 Overread wrote:
I think Son's is a slow-grow army made worse in that whoever set the prices set them very high.

It's not an army GW expects people to rush out and buy en-mass like regular armies; instead its more one that GW expects players to go out and buy 1 gargant for their current army. Then if they collect a different army in a different Grand Alliance they go out and get another for that army. Suddenly they've 2 "named" versions (which are different) which can be regular versions in a Son's army. That just means adding a few aleguzzlers and the book and you've a "cheap" army.

So I see it as one that GW expects to grow slowly over the years and outside of the normal army growth.

I do agree with your assessment. I think the biggest hurt around the sticker price is that they are more expensive than their Imperium counterparts.

stormcast? : /

Might be Stormcast, might be a new Warrior-Priest or something.

Dwarf sized?
Cities of Sigmar..?

Danny76 wrote:
Dwarf sized?
Cities of Sigmar..?

I agree! The way the hammer is hoisted up makes their body look small, is there supposed to be a dwarf hero for Cursed City?

Someone pointed out that it looks vaguely like Gardus Steelsoul from one of his novel covers:

Ah yes. That would be kinda boring haha.

Eh. Age of Sigmar is kind of lacking in the named characters department for the subfactions. There's a few like Legions of Nagash, Chaos, and Ossiarch Bonereapers that have quite a few but the rest tend to be one specific subfaction.

Stormcast, for example, are basically just Hammers of Sigmar for named characters. The various White Dwarfs have introduced a few lore characters into rules but it's been heavily an "Anonymous Heroes All the Time" game for awhile now.

Going back to SoB vs Knights, not only are they more expensive, but lack the (almost universal) appeal of Big Mecha with customizable guns and whatnot vs a very tall overweight human.

As for the preview, that is 99% some sort of SCE lord, i'd love if it were Gardus, the first non-golden SCE hero models!

Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing behind them whilst Giants in AoS have a few months of marketing. More if you go back to Old World, but they were never a big marketing push like Knights were in 40K over the years.

This isn't something SoB are alone in. A lot of new factions for AoS just sort of appeared, Ossiarchs, Elves with hammers etc... These are really big new concepts and they just aren't going to suddenly beat armies with 30 years of marketing and fans.


I think GW knows this, like they also know big second waves encourage more buyers and customers for smaller armies. More diversity, more options, more creative style and flare and thus more customers.

Elves with hammers aren't a "new faction". or some kind of "big new idea".
People just want to grouse about something. It would have been the hats alone if they'd had halberds or something else.

Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing

Do they? I was entirely unaware they existed until they...well, started existing as a faction. Maybe I missed it, but having picked 40k up at start of 3rd ed (and gawing at it in WD's a year or two earlier), the focus was always on titans as the big boys of 40k setting, to me at least.

Sons aren't an expensive army to build, but they can't be split into bite sized chunks. I can't spend $50 one day, come back and spend $80 for another kit & character, follow up with $60 for an elite box, etc.

Cronch wrote:

Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing

Do they? I was entirely unaware they existed until they...well, started existing as a faction. Maybe I missed it, but having picked 40k up at start of 3rd ed (and gawing at it in WD's a year or two earlier), the focus was always on titans as the big boys of 40k setting, to me at least.

The first Imperial Knights models were released in ‘94 along side the new edition of Epic but I’m fairly sure they were mentioned previously in fluff.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Cronch wrote:

Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing

Do they? I was entirely unaware they existed until they...well, started existing as a faction. Maybe I missed it, but having picked 40k up at start of 3rd ed (and gawing at it in WD's a year or two earlier), the focus was always on titans as the big boys of 40k setting, to me at least.

The first Imperial Knights models were released in ‘94 along side the new edition of Epic but I’m fairly sure they were mentioned previously in fluff.

Exactly. Knights on the 40K table might be newer, but prior to that they had several versions in metal and plastic through at the very least Titan Legions (plastic knights in the boxed set and multiple metal versions). They also have stories and lore and artwork. Basically by the time Knights appeared in 40K they already had a fanbase who had seen them in other scale games; seen them in art and stories and seen the big expensive FW kits and wanted in on the game.

In contrast Gargants have the Bonegrinder from Old World, but FW's marketing for Fantasy is very weak in general. The lore and the rest just hasn't supported them anywhere near like what knights in 40K got. So by the time Gargants appeared the number of long term fans who were eager for them is comparably far fewer. In contrast Gargants are very "generic" in that they can basically fit into any army as an ally and fit well into destruction in general. So across the game they have a vaster appeal as an allied model option.

The first Imperial Knight models were in 1990.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Someone pointed out that it looks vaguely like Gardus Steelsoul from one of his novel covers:

That's almost a perfect likeness of this art. I'd be up for a good Gardus model.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Someone pointed out that it looks vaguely like Gardus Steelsoul from one of his novel covers:

That's almost a perfect likeness of this art. I'd be up for a good Gardus model.

Yup, It’s definitely that.
Yeah not ‘vaguely like it’ but just is that model.

The cape strip things at the back with the little hammers are the giveaway.
And the spikes of the helm type area.
You can see it all.


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I’ve never seen the art before. But the more I look at it. The more I really like it.

I'd be pretty happy for characters not of Hammers of Sigmar to get some love. Hammers has a completely absurd number already; more than most entire battletomes. The pattern of giving nearly all the named characters to Ultramarines irritates me to no end, and is just crappy for everyone involved. The Lord-Celestant with Shield would fly off the shelves if he wasn't locked into being a special character for Hammers that doesn't even have established background beyond his own model description.

 Overread wrote:
Lets not forget Knights have 30 years constant marketing behind them whilst Giants in AoS have a few months of marketing. More if you go back to Old World, but they were never a big marketing push like Knights were in 40K over the years.

This isn't something SoB are alone in. A lot of new factions for AoS just sort of appeared, Ossiarchs, Elves with hammers etc... These are really big new concepts and they just aren't going to suddenly beat armies with 30 years of marketing and fans.


I think GW knows this, like they also know big second waves encourage more buyers and customers for smaller armies. More diversity, more options, more creative style and flare and thus more customers.

So you're saying... a second wave COULD happen? Maybe even a Warcry release? I mean, look at Lumineth. They had their big release and a few months later they got more models.

Something tells me you're unlikely to see Giants as a faction in Warcry, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some scenarios in WD at some point using a Giant as an antagonist.

They already have rules for monster fights in Warcry, but that's where the monster is npc to fight against rather than as a warband.

My view is always be hopeful for new things, but never pin all your hopes on it. Learn to accept that you might not see anything for years and build your hobby around that. Perhaps have a few armies so that the updates are spread out over them; or even splice into other games. Don't just hyper focus on 1 force.

At least in so far as your budget can go, or heck you might love giants so much you want to build a 100K force of them.

New teaser.

Looks like Blood Knights to me!

blood knight? 3 for 60$ ?