I think that's what is missing for the Primaris Crusader squad reveal. The Mk10 helmets really don't carry the evocative crusader/knightly feel like that kind of helm does. We'll see if the Primaris Sword Brethren have anything similar to Helbrecht's big papa version.
Overall, MUCH better than the Emperor's Champion, Helbrecht is 10/10 in my books.
Grimskul wrote: Yeah, that helmet is *chefs kiss* fantastic.
I think that's what is missing for the Primaris Crusader squad reveal. The Mk10 helmets really don't carry the evocative crusader/knightly feel like that kind of helm does. We'll see if the Primaris Sword Brethren have anything similar to Helbrecht's big papa version.
Overall, MUCH better than the Emperor's Champion, Helbrecht is 10/10 in my books.
Some of them do have an updated version of the old upgrade sprue helmet. Maybe we get spoiled and even have some more options. Personally I hope we can make an all helmeted version out of the box, as I avoid painting faces like big companies avoid paying taxes.
Grimskul wrote: Yeah, that helmet is *chefs kiss* fantastic.
I think that's what is missing for the Primaris Crusader squad reveal. The Mk10 helmets really don't carry the evocative crusader/knightly feel like that kind of helm does. We'll see if the Primaris Sword Brethren have anything similar to Helbrecht's big papa version.
Overall, MUCH better than the Emperor's Champion, Helbrecht is 10/10 in my books.
IF existing kits are anything to go by, the Black Templar's upgrade sprue should have Crusader-style helmets.
Grimskul wrote: Yeah, that helmet is *chefs kiss* fantastic.
I think that's what is missing for the Primaris Crusader squad reveal. The Mk10 helmets really don't carry the evocative crusader/knightly feel like that kind of helm does. We'll see if the Primaris Sword Brethren have anything similar to Helbrecht's big papa version.
Overall, MUCH better than the Emperor's Champion, Helbrecht is 10/10 in my books.
If I get both models I'll put this helmet on the EC and use the bare head for Helbrecht himself.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I think it's great. I just wish it wasn't a diorama, or at the very least that his attendants weren't attached to him and could be based separately.
It also makes me annoyed that when they did Fabulous Bill, they only made the guy on the left, and not the guy on the right as well:
Spoiler:
GaroRobe wrote:Love the serfs; though I think I prefer the hooded version in the artwork. GW needs to give us more of these guys
I'm also a fan of the 'sidekicks' - I have the Dark Apostle just for the disciples. I hope they'll release an own box for the cenobytes (and of course normal servitors - it's time) without a chaplain.
Grimskul wrote: Yeah, that helmet is *chefs kiss* fantastic.
I think that's what is missing for the Primaris Crusader squad reveal. The Mk10 helmets really don't carry the evocative crusader/knightly feel like that kind of helm does. We'll see if the Primaris Sword Brethren have anything similar to Helbrecht's big papa version.
Overall, MUCH better than the Emperor's Champion, Helbrecht is 10/10 in my books.
If I get both models I'll put this helmet on the EC and use the bare head for Helbrecht himself.
The right call IMO, the new EC really should have had the wreath on the helmet and not floating above it like it is now.
Grimskul wrote: Yeah, that helmet is *chefs kiss* fantastic.
I think that's what is missing for the Primaris Crusader squad reveal. The Mk10 helmets really don't carry the evocative crusader/knightly feel like that kind of helm does. We'll see if the Primaris Sword Brethren have anything similar to Helbrecht's big papa version.
Overall, MUCH better than the Emperor's Champion, Helbrecht is 10/10 in my books.
IF existing kits are anything to go by, the Black Templar's upgrade sprue should have Crusader-style helmets.
Well, at least one.
Unfortunately, I feel like its likely to be just one. GW usually seems to avoid having too many variant helms to promote people buying more kits to get their bits (look at beakie helms for example).
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: First Primaris mini I really-really like!
I just wish his mouth was closed. If I ever get this guy, I’ll definitely choose the helmeted option.
"Helbrecht now comes with a choice of three heads – one helmeted and two bare "
We still have to see the other head. But the helmet is pretty neat indeed...
Man, the Black Templar kits are just killing it. I'm very happy for fans of that Chapter. I'm hoping I'll see stuff like this for my wolves eventually!
Love that they have kept Imotekh The Stormlord as having taken his hand as actual lore. I do not do Black Templars, but this mini is extremely tempting.
Might just be a different printing of the art? Without knowing if the "original" was the artist proof or the final piece, it could very well be there was a signed+unsigned version.
Kanluwen wrote: Might just be a different printing of the art? Without knowing if the "original" was the artist proof or the final piece, it could very well be there was a signed+unsigned version.
All of MG's originals are signed.
Also, this is an illustration made back when that would have needed two full originals, one unsigned and one signed.
GaroRobe wrote: I like that the model acknowledges that he lost his hand fighting the Storm lord
Fingers crossed the new Marshall has a similar style helmet
The old one has the bionic arm too they just painted it gold.
Are you sure? It doesn’t particularly look that way looking at the old model, and the article says this:
He also lost a hand fighting Imotekh the Stormlord since he last got a model – a nugget of lore that’s been faithfully represented on his new miniature.
GaroRobe wrote: I like that the model acknowledges that he lost his hand fighting the Storm lord
Fingers crossed the new Marshall has a similar style helmet
The old one has the bionic arm too they just painted it gold.
Are you sure? It doesn’t particularly look that way looking at the old model, and the article says this:
He also lost a hand fighting Imotekh the Stormlord since he last got a model – a nugget of lore that’s been faithfully represented on his new miniature.
Yeah, you can see it clearly on the 360 pic on the GW store. The old art has the robot arm too.
To me all these marines look the same, the more busy and bespoke the model design gets, the more it all starts to blur together. The difference between Black Templars, Dark Angels, and Blood Angels is sort of negligible at this point.
Helbrecht looks fantastic, possibly the best primaris named character model so far IMO (when he has his hat on). I like how his combi looks like a melta rifle/auto bolt rifle - would be cool if Primaris finally get access to combi's in the format of their own special weapons.
If the pintle multi melta is a real thing and not just a kitbash, it's going to be interesting if it is available for all Primaris vehicles or just Repulsors as it would presumably fit on any of the Gladiator/Impulsor/Repulsor variant hatches in place of the generic stubber option.
Insularum wrote: Helbrecht looks fantastic, possibly the best primaris named character model so far IMO (when he has his hat on). I like how his combi looks like a melta rifle/auto bolt rifle - would be cool if Primaris finally get access to combi's in the format of their own special weapons.
If the pintle multi melta is a real thing and not just a kitbash, it's going to be interesting if it is available for all Primaris vehicles or just Repulsors as it would presumably fit on any of the Gladiator/Impulsor/Repulsor variant hatches in place of the generic stubber option.
I imagine GW is somehow gonna make it proprietary to the Repulsor.
Seems easy to do if the Ork is designed to overlay the rock base. Swap in a different bit of rock for the foot and sword point to rest on, and good to go.
Seems easy to do if the Ork is designed to overlay the rock base. Swap in a different bit of rock for the foot and sword point to rest on, and good to go.
It's not like there is an 'alternate corpse' on the Primaris Captain with the Bladeguard gear.
Seems easy to do if the Ork is designed to overlay the rock base. Swap in a different bit of rock for the foot and sword point to rest on, and good to go.
It's not like there is an 'alternate corpse' on the Primaris Captain with the Bladeguard gear.
Azrael based off either of these two pieces of art?!?!? OOOOOF. I approve of this direction and sculpting prowess.
Could even go for this, which would make for a more interesting model than either of those imo
There's loads of amazing art for Azrael to be fair. I quite like the more statesmen like models for him as he is more of a tactician than necessarily mixing it up on the front lines himself, or a mix in general of his art. Either ways, a model based on classic art of him would be outstanding. Trying to think of even more classic marine SC artwork that would be an amazing model.
There's a mini based on the art I linked (or the art is based on the mini, I think that's more likely actually as with most of the named marine characters from the MG era), I was just having a joke : )
JWBS wrote: There's a mini based on the art I linked (or the art is based on the mini, I think that's more likely actually as with most of the named marine characters from the MG era), I was just having a joke : )
I haven't looked at the azrael mini for so long it went straight over my head
My god that helbrecht model is amazing. I freaking love everything about it. He looks exactly like in the old artwork. And the helmet is truly amazing.
Honestly congrats to the designers of that mini, they really did an outstanding job.
I know, people don't like to see yet again another release for marines, but the black templars are the best marine releases in the primaris era by far in my opinion.
When you're such a fancy lad that you need a serf to wipe the blood off your sword for you, and a tiara to let everyone know who the birthday princess is...
Also, seriously, pick a color for the crosses. Its downright eyegouging for them to have multiple colors while within millimeters of each other plus all the extra EDGE-highlighting.
The fact that zero actually match the usual chapter heraldry is just extra weirdness on top.
The lack of highlighting on the the baby head's nasal headpiece is a weird choice too.
Beyond that, its just a bit too busy. Ditch the giant scroll under the cape, the candles, the various massively thick red scrolls, the skull and a couple more random bobbins and he'd be good (with a marine helmet). Especially if he were solo and the DC comics inspired servitors went back to being on separate bases
Also, seriously, pick a color for the crosses. Its downright eyegouging for them to have multiple colors while within millimeters of each other plus all the extra EDGE-highlighting.
The fact that zero actually match the usual chapter heraldry is just extra weirdness on top.
The lack of highlighting on the the baby head's nasal headpiece is a weird choice too.
Beyond that, its just a bit too busy. Ditch the giant scroll under the cape, the candles, the various massively thick red scrolls, the skull and a couple more random bobbins and he'd be good (with a marine helmet). Especially if he were solo and the DC comics inspired servitors went back to being on separate bases
Lol, this model is pure class, yet still the dakkanauts will never be satisfied!
I can't start another marine army, but Damn this model is making that decision difficult.
Hankovitch wrote: When you're such a fancy lad that you need a serf to wipe the blood off your sword for you, and a tiara to let everyone know who the birthday princess is...
Those lamenting against the base and the over the top decoration, sometimes I wonder if you read any lore, specifically about major players in the imperium and whether you actually get it and the setting?
It is meant to be absolutely absurd and unpractical, it's meant to make zero sense, it's all about clout.
Honestly a great model and the most grimdark potential primaris miniature yet, I love it.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Those lamenting against the base and the over the top decoration, sometimes I wonder if you read any lore, specifically about major players in the imperium and whether you actually get it and the setting?
I don't see what enormous diorama bases have to do with not "getting the setting".
Nice as Helbrecht is - and as far as direct translations of artwork he's damned impressive - some of us would like if our commander wasn't walking around with his sword constantly embedded in something (be it an Ork or the ground) with a Servitor constantly cleaning it.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: It is meant to be absolutely absurd and unpractical, it's meant to make zero sense, it's all about clout.
The artwork has and always has been a better representation of what it actually looks like in the setting, especially within battles. Any movement towards recreating that faithfully in a model is a bonus.
And yes, it is meant to be totally impractical, as that matches the lore. Again, it is not meant to make sense per say, as nothing within the imperium does so. Servitors/serfs scuttling around, getting in the way within the middle of a battle to clean a sword because that is the priority - keeping the sword pure - as opposed to allowing the commander to be as functional as possible.
Yep, the reason why the model makes sense is because the priorities within the imperium do not make sense.
Personal choice and taste, there's nothing to 'get'.
I don't have a problem with over the top decoration or grimdark. Play-doh ribbons don't read grimdark to me.
and people who don't like dioramas have to decide if the price and effort required to remove them is worth it. GW is trending heavily towards display pieces...
Lord Damocles wrote: Maybe just accept that not everyone likes diorama characters..?
No, didn't you hear? The miniatures are meant to be impractical and therefore difficult and inconvenient to use. Anything less would be proof positive that you just don't understand the setting. Because those two things are connected... somehow...
This new Helbrecht is really good. Of course it could have been better regarding some details (servitors are too bulky, it's a bit too busy...) but I guess it coud unleash it's full potential with a "darker" paintjob (and the helmet). 'Eavy Metal style is often too...cartoonish ?
The ork is said to be optionnal so we can't really complain about that.
Now I can't wait to see the Sword Brethrens ! (And Grimaldus)
Honestly, GW needs to start taking a cue from the primarch series from forgeworld, and integrate a practical gaming base inside the larger diorama base. I mean, I love the Helbrecht piece, but I agree with a lot of the contentions people have about it both practically and abstractly.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Those lamenting against the base and the over the top decoration, sometimes I wonder if you read any lore, specifically about major players in the imperium and whether you actually get it and the setting?
It is meant to be absolutely absurd and unpractical, it's meant to make zero sense, it's all about clout.
Honestly a great model and the most grimdark potential primaris miniature yet, I love it.
I'd take this more seriously if your profile pic wasn't miniatures devoid of any of the over the top decoration you're insisting is so central to 'getting' the lore and the setting. I think you understand just fine- both why some people don't like it and that most of the miniatures are actually devoid of that gak.
Well if your main concern is the practicality of a game piece there are plenty of plainer captain level models out there to use, just paint them in BT colors. Hell, why not just use a block of wood on a 60mm base? You can paint it any color you want!
And leave us, who appreciate the ornamented future gothic ridiculousness of the 41st millenium with some suitably ridiculously ornamented future gothic miniatures.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Those lamenting against the base and the over the top decoration, sometimes I wonder if you read any lore, specifically about major players in the imperium and whether you actually get it and the setting?
I don't see what enormous diorama bases have to do with not "getting the setting".
Nice as Helbrecht is - and as far as direct translations of artwork he's damned impressive - some of us would like if our commander wasn't walking around with his sword constantly embedded in something (be it an Ork or the ground) with a Servitor constantly cleaning it.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: It is meant to be absolutely absurd and unpractical, it's meant to make zero sense, it's all about clout.
The miniatures are meant to be impractical?
So you must have quite a few miniatures representing the same guy then? When he's shooting you grab the one with gun raised. Assault, get the sword out guy. Damn, I want to advance my captain...where's the miniature that's running?
Damn silliness. The miniature is a representation, who cares about practicality? Your vehicles shoot out their arses in this edition too.
Everyone's threshold is different. Some lament tactical rocks, some don't want a silly pose, some don't want a diorama. IMHO a strong solution to this guy would have been something along the lines of FW's character series with display bases. Personally, I think the diorama is fine in concept but poor in execution and had it improved the okay art instead of making the design worse, I'd probably have no issues with it. But either way, suggesting needing model to represent each action is equivalent to not wanting one hyperspecific scene floating around the battlefield is not, I feel, argued in good faith.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Everyone's threshold is different. Some lament tactical rocks, some don't want a silly pose, some don't want a diorama. IMHO a strong solution to this guy would have been something along the lines of FW's character series with display bases. Personally, I think the diorama is fine in concept but poor in execution and had it improved the okay art instead of making the design worse, I'd probably have no issues with it. But either way, suggesting needing model to represent each action is equivalent to not wanting one hyperspecific scene floating around the battlefield is not, I feel, argued in good faith.
Right, but in game the only thing that truly matters is miniature silhouette and base size. The rest is just a miniature designer's interpretation of what they want to create, for both gamers and painters alike. Not sure why having an ork on the base throws that off for people.
Because 40k is ultimately an aesthetic experience. The rules are at best decent. People spend gobs of time and cash to play with pretty toys and making them look the way they want. The majority of wargaming could be played with standees or papercraft blocks. Unless you like literally every model, there's some threshold past which a model doesn't appeal to your taste. Big scenes with dead guys is someone else's. Unless you're asking why someone else can have different taste than you, the point is self-evident: it disrupts the part of the experience they enjoy.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Because 40k is ultimately an aesthetic experience. The rules are at best decent. People spend gobs of time and cash to play with pretty toys and making them look the way they want. The majority of wargaming could be played with standees or papercraft blocks. Unless you like literally every model, there's some threshold past which a model doesn't appeal to your taste. Big scenes with dead guys is someone else's. Unless you're asking why someone else can have different taste than you, the point is self-evident: it disrupts the part of the experience they enjoy.
Maybe I just don't like my characters hauling around a clown car's worth of gak everywhere on the battlefield, including random dudes and corpses that in no way match the scenery and the battle?
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Maybe I just don't like my characters hauling around a clown car's worth of gak everywhere on the battlefield, including random dudes and corpses that in no way match the scenery and the battle?
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Maybe I just don't like my characters hauling around a clown car's worth of gak everywhere on the battlefield, including random dudes and corpses that in no way match the scenery and the battle?
Question - how do you base your models?
It's true and sort of a good point that one's basing will often not match the board you're playing on. However that seems basically unavoidable. I'm also a person that draws the line at "no dead orks for my fight against my buddy's necron please" but am fine with tactical rocks, as silly as they are.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Maybe I just don't like my characters hauling around a clown car's worth of gak everywhere on the battlefield, including random dudes and corpses that in no way match the scenery and the battle?
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Maybe I just don't like my characters hauling around a clown car's worth of gak everywhere on the battlefield, including random dudes and corpses that in no way match the scenery and the battle?
Question - how do you base your models?
It's true and sort of a good point that one's basing will often not match the board you're playing on. However that seems basically unavoidable. I'm also a person that draws the line at "no dead orks for my fight against my buddy's necron please" but am fine with tactical rocks, as silly as they are.
Yeah, that's the point I was going to make. You will *never* have a base that can always match the battlefields you play on, unless you only play on a certain battlefield which only has the same terrain all over it, or if you have transparent bases. And even after that, your models will also never reflect what position they find themselves on in the game - after all, if my captain has a two-handed grip on their sword, they aren't looking "right" for when they are in the shooting phase, "in no way match[ing] the battle".
Again, people are welcome to draw lines where they want to, as is their choice - but they also have the choice to modify models to better fit them, if they also choose. And before someone says "but why am I paying for a model which I want to modify to fit my personal choice", that's a standard which could easily apply to both cases, to people who *do* want their heroes to be standing on the corpse of their enemies, or a cinematic pose.
There won't be pleasing everyone, at the end of the day. Like what you like, dislike what you don't.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Maybe I just don't like my characters hauling around a clown car's worth of gak everywhere on the battlefield, including random dudes and corpses that in no way match the scenery and the battle?
Question - how do you base your models?
On clear bases from GreenStuffWorld.
So you go out of your way to rebase everything, putting in extra time and money on all your models? Great - so you can do the same for this one too.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Everyone's threshold is different. Some lament tactical rocks, some don't want a silly pose, some don't want a diorama. IMHO a strong solution to this guy would have been something along the lines of FW's character series with display bases. Personally, I think the diorama is fine in concept but poor in execution and had it improved the okay art instead of making the design worse, I'd probably have no issues with it. But either way, suggesting needing model to represent each action is equivalent to not wanting one hyperspecific scene floating around the battlefield is not, I feel, argued in good faith.
For me problem comes when they mess with quite a few basing themes. Like Sigvald whose base filler was 100% incompatible with bases i'm doing for chaos. Only solution was drop it. Which opens up complain of modeling for advantage.
The busier fixed basing the more it reduces basing options. Lucky me i went with blood angel successor and don't need this model as again would be impossible to make it work on my bases.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Everyone's threshold is different. Some lament tactical rocks, some don't want a silly pose, some don't want a diorama. IMHO a strong solution to this guy would have been something along the lines of FW's character series with display bases. Personally, I think the diorama is fine in concept but poor in execution and had it improved the okay art instead of making the design worse, I'd probably have no issues with it. But either way, suggesting needing model to represent each action is equivalent to not wanting one hyperspecific scene floating around the battlefield is not, I feel, argued in good faith.
Right, but in game the only thing that truly matters is miniature silhouette and base size. The rest is just a miniature designer's interpretation of what they want to create, for both gamers and painters alike. Not sure why having an ork on the base throws that off for people.
For some it's not just abstract gaming piece but model for aesthetic and own creativity.
bullyboy wrote: So you must have quite a few miniatures representing the same guy then? When he's shooting you grab the one with gun raised. Assault, get the sword out guy. Damn, I want to advance my captain...where's the miniature that's running? Damn silliness. The miniature is a representation, who cares about practicality? Your vehicles shoot out their arses in this edition too.
Yeah... I don't think you understood a word of what I posted. Or even what I was replying to.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:Maybe I just don't like my characters hauling around a clown car's worth of gak everywhere on the battlefield, including random dudes and corpses that in no way match the scenery and the battle?
Question - how do you base your models?
It's true and sort of a good point that one's basing will often not match the board you're playing on. However that seems basically unavoidable. I'm also a person that draws the line at "no dead orks for my fight against my buddy's necron please" but am fine with tactical rocks, as silly as they are.
Board isn't issue. Rest of your army is.
If rest of your army is on ice bases wouldn't flowery base on one guy...kind of stick out?-)
Some people can enjoy the aesthetics of a model on their own, and the overblown dioramabase can detract from said aesthetic. Like Shrike, whose a good model on his own, minus the Emo-hair, but he's also for some reason standing on a completly random piece of rubble nearly as tall as him.
ph34r wrote: It's true and sort of a good point that one's basing will often not match the board you're playing on. However that seems basically unavoidable. I'm also a person that draws the line at "no dead orks for my fight against my buddy's necron please" but am fine with tactical rocks, as silly as they are.
Board isn't issue. Rest of your army is.
If rest of your army is on ice bases wouldn't flowery base on one guy...kind of stick out?-)
Eh, an all ice base army in the middle of a desert battlefield does also tend to stick out too, in all truth.
Sgt_Smudge wrote: Again, people are welcome to draw lines where they want to, as is their choice - but they also have the choice to modify models to better fit them, if they also choose. And before someone says "but why am I paying for a model which I want to modify to fit my personal choice", that's a standard which could easily apply to both cases, to people who *do* want their heroes to be standing on the corpse of their enemies, or a cinematic pose.
Yeah. At the end of the day, I'd rather there were no ork, but I'm willing to work around it or remove it myself if I like the model enough. Bonus points to GW if they make the corpse optional.
Sgt_Smudge wrote: Again, people are welcome to draw lines where they want to, as is their choice - but they also have the choice to modify models to better fit them, if they also choose. And before someone says "but why am I paying for a model which I want to modify to fit my personal choice", that's a standard which could easily apply to both cases, to people who *do* want their heroes to be standing on the corpse of their enemies, or a cinematic pose.
Yeah. At the end of the day, I'd rather there were no ork, but I'm willing to work around it or remove it myself if I like the model enough. Bonus points to GW if they make the corpse optional.
Sgt_Smudge wrote: Again, people are welcome to draw lines where they want to, as is their choice - but they also have the choice to modify models to better fit them, if they also choose. And before someone says "but why am I paying for a model which I want to modify to fit my personal choice", that's a standard which could easily apply to both cases, to people who *do* want their heroes to be standing on the corpse of their enemies, or a cinematic pose.
Yeah. At the end of the day, I'd rather there were no ork, but I'm willing to work around it or remove it myself if I like the model enough. Bonus points to GW if they make the corpse optional.
The corpse is confirmed as being optional
I wouldn't trust GW on that. They also said the new Ork Boyz kit is multipart and has enough bits to make 20 distinct ones.
Sgt_Smudge wrote: Again, people are welcome to draw lines where they want to, as is their choice - but they also have the choice to modify models to better fit them, if they also choose. And before someone says "but why am I paying for a model which I want to modify to fit my personal choice", that's a standard which could easily apply to both cases, to people who *do* want their heroes to be standing on the corpse of their enemies, or a cinematic pose.
Yeah. At the end of the day, I'd rather there were no ork, but I'm willing to work around it or remove it myself if I like the model enough. Bonus points to GW if they make the corpse optional.
The corpse is confirmed as being optional
I wouldn't trust GW on that. They also said the new Ork Boyz kit is multipart and has enough bits to make 20 distinct ones.
Sgt_Smudge wrote: Again, people are welcome to draw lines where they want to, as is their choice - but they also have the choice to modify models to better fit them, if they also choose. And before someone says "but why am I paying for a model which I want to modify to fit my personal choice", that's a standard which could easily apply to both cases, to people who *do* want their heroes to be standing on the corpse of their enemies, or a cinematic pose.
Yeah. At the end of the day, I'd rather there were no ork, but I'm willing to work around it or remove it myself if I like the model enough. Bonus points to GW if they make the corpse optional.
The corpse is confirmed as being optional
I wouldn't trust GW on that. They also said the new Ork Boyz kit is multipart and has enough bits to make 20 distinct ones.
Source?
Their own unboxing article, that they by now edited quietly, like always when they say something that turns out to be untrue. But as always, it lives on in screenshots and videos.
https://youtu.be/9HEto6MCHCo
I'm told magnets are a fancy way of avoiding such decisions. For me it's definitely the helmet, though. Even leaving aside that I never cared for Helbrecht's circlet, that helmet is one of the best GW has ever done for Marines. Would be a shame not to use it.
I'm told magnets are a fancy way of avoiding such decisions. For me it's definitely the helmet, though. Even leaving aside that I never cared for Helbrecht's circlet, that helmet is one of the best GW has ever done for Marines. Would be a shame not to use it.
Agree. Nothing more awesome than a teutonic knight helmet for the chapter master of the teutonic knight chapter.
I like how it allows you to build a version of the classic Marshall with axe, combi flamer and the bottom half of the helmet as well as the more usual power sword and plasma pistol.
Or it's a mispack and the point was that it's silly to pretend that it's "incompetence".
That kinda stuff happens no matter what company you are. I lost count of how many times I had to deal with Corvus Belli's dumpsterfire of a customer service system for mispacked items. Big ticket items like TAGs even. My Szalamandra didn't include the "tail" of the TAG--a massive piece.
I didn't come on here or their forums and scream about "incompetence".
Lord Zarkov wrote: I like how it allows you to build a version of the classic Marshall with axe, combi flamer and the bottom half of the helmet as well as the more usual power sword and plasma pistol.
That model had a combi melta. Unless you mean the Blanche artwork, which did have a combi flamer and axe, but otherwise any resemblance to this model is a stretch at best.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I wonder if Black Templars are gonna remain the only Chapter with Primaris Combi-weapons for the forseeable future.
I suspect so.
If you look at the main SM codex, there are plenty of weapon options faction locked behind certain chapters. Unless there is a new universal kit I would not expect other chapters to be able to field them.
Kanluwen wrote: Or it's a mispack and the point was that it's silly to pretend that it's "incompetence".
That kinda stuff happens no matter what company you are. I lost count of how many times I had to deal with Corvus Belli's dumpsterfire of a customer service system for mispacked items. Big ticket items like TAGs even. My Szalamandra didn't include the "tail" of the TAG--a massive piece.
I didn't come on here or their forums and scream about "incompetence".
CB ain't exactly a several-hundred-million-Euro-profit-per-year type of company though. You'd think GW would have better quality control.
Kanluwen wrote: Or it's a mispack and the point was that it's silly to pretend that it's "incompetence".
That kinda stuff happens no matter what company you are. I lost count of how many times I had to deal with Corvus Belli's dumpsterfire of a customer service system for mispacked items. Big ticket items like TAGs even. My Szalamandra didn't include the "tail" of the TAG--a massive piece.
I didn't come on here or their forums and scream about "incompetence".
CB ain't exactly a several-hundred-million-Euro-profit-per-year type of company though. You'd think GW would have better quality control.
Funny thing about quality control. Even if you are 99.999% accurate, that means you make a mistake 1 in 100,000 times. I think GW produces enough kits to make the occasional error.
Kanluwen wrote: Or it's a mispack and the point was that it's silly to pretend that it's "incompetence".
That kinda stuff happens no matter what company you are. I lost count of how many times I had to deal with Corvus Belli's dumpsterfire of a customer service system for mispacked items. Big ticket items like TAGs even. My Szalamandra didn't include the "tail" of the TAG--a massive piece.
I didn't come on here or their forums and scream about "incompetence".
CB ain't exactly a several-hundred-million-Euro-profit-per-year type of company though. You'd think GW would have better quality control.
Funny thing about quality control. Even if you are 99.999% accurate, that means you make a mistake 1 in 100,000 times. I think GW produces enough kits to make the occasional error.
But don't you agree GW should be the only company in the world with 100% quality control. Just think of all the life or death situations where it's critically important to get the correct plastic model kits!
alextroy wrote: Funny thing about quality control. Even if you are 99.999% accurate, that means you make a mistake 1 in 100,000 times. I think GW produces enough kits to make the occasional error.
It also ignores that one of those companies purposely keeps their employee counts low to avoid being taxed at a higher bracket, per their own public admissions over the years.
There have been a rash of slip-ups in recent years. Off the top of my head:
*The exclusive Ork and Gretchin model got sent to someone by mistake
*The FW Sons of Horus praetor somehow ended up being boxed as "Maloghust the twisted"
*The Marshal showing up in a Grey Knight vs 1k sons set.
*Spare parts from the new slaanesh seekers being sold on ebay
*And then all the leaks that keep happening.
Someone in GW is going to be in trouble. I don't think a lot of this is just free publicity. Sure, you can argue that some of the leaked pics could be from GW, for some reason. But unless GW has someone pretending to get the wrong model, it's pretty crappy move to buy a model and not get the one you wanted.
As a counterpoint, I've been into 40K since 1994 and can remember having a miscast Mordian model in one of the 2nd Ed squad boxes. That model was replaced by the store manager when I returned to the shop.
Even the limited number of Finecast models I bought ( a couple of Creeds for kitbashing and some others) had no problems.
Apart from that, I've had no issues with GW quality control or indeed any other miniature company I'be bought from.
Customer service always seemed very accommodating and cooperative, whenever I had an issue with my order.
So even if there is a problem with your model, a short call will solve the issue. Normally you get to keep your "wrong item" and get a replacement on top.
It's definitely a weird mispack, but hardly the end of the world.
I'd be curious as to how a new BT Marshall made it anywhere near the packing process for the Hexfire sets, especially as the BT box is coming out, what, 3-4 months after Hexfire? You wouldn't think there'd be production samples near a packing area for a new boxed set, and the time gap between releases means that they probably didn't have the BT stuff in production while Hexfire was getting packed.
Getting a SM or Primaris Librarian in there instead of Crowe would make a bit more sense to me, but then it isn't like I'm saying this having seen the inside of the GW factory and knowing how it is organised. It just seems weird as mispacks go, given when things are due to be released.
Dysartes wrote: It's definitely a weird mispack, but hardly the end of the world.
I'd be curious as to how a new BT Marshall made it anywhere near the packing process for the Hexfire sets, especially as the BT box is coming out, what, 3-4 months after Hexfire? You wouldn't think there'd be production samples near a packing area for a new boxed set, and the time gap between releases means that they probably didn't have the BT stuff in production while Hexfire was getting packed.
Getting a SM or Primaris Librarian in there instead of Crowe would make a bit more sense to me, but then it isn't like I'm saying this having seen the inside of the GW factory and knowing how it is organised. It just seems weird as mispacks go, given when things are due to be released.
Well for one things are done long time ahead time. Like year before release.
We also don't know how much covid(and maybe brexit) delays have strung. We know hexfire was supposed to be out in spring. How much gap between it and BT box was supposed to be originally?
Dysartes wrote: It's definitely a weird mispack, but hardly the end of the world.
I'd be curious as to how a new BT Marshall made it anywhere near the packing process for the Hexfire sets, especially as the BT box is coming out, what, 3-4 months after Hexfire? You wouldn't think there'd be production samples near a packing area for a new boxed set, and the time gap between releases means that they probably didn't have the BT stuff in production while Hexfire was getting packed.
Getting a SM or Primaris Librarian in there instead of Crowe would make a bit more sense to me, but then it isn't like I'm saying this having seen the inside of the GW factory and knowing how it is organised. It just seems weird as mispacks go, given when things are due to be released.
This is pretty likely to happen for a few reasons:
Nearly all GW products are packed & distributed from Nottingham via shipping containers with lead times measured in weeks. This means in order to get a set like Hexfire or the BT army box set over to Australia or the US in time for a launch, it has to be ready and shipped out a few months earlier. These items would very likely have been packaged well before summer, possibly as early as the start of the year.
To mitigate against risks of a single container being lost or damaged, when possible a company also often won't put all of the same product into the same shipment. For example; rather than sending 1 container full of Ork models and 1 container full of BT Army sets, you instead send out two containers split 50/50 with each. That means there's less risk of a release being totally lost / delayed, but it does mean that a product released later on will need to be packed & shipped out earlier. That way you can easily have July & October releases being packaged at the same time.
It's also more likely that new releases will see more items being packaged at a time than existing ones. GW sales of many older products like Primaris Librarians will be pretty low these days, so when they do run out of stock they don't need as many units made as the new releases do.
Finally, the release schedule may well have changed between the product being manufactured and actually arriving at the regional warehouse.
Grimaldus looks really nice; the minions are IMHO terribly posed (no not because they're stiff like robots, but because they look like someone didn't know how bodies or physics worked when working out the angles and movements)
Not sure what you mean with the physics but the minions are brilliant. I like Grimaldus, but think he could be better, still looks a little generic compared to the regular Chaplain.
Galas wrote: Seraphicus still best chaplain model ever released.
Nah - the first Terminator Chaplain is
Surely you mean the Juan Diaz one released some time after the first Termie chaplain. Regardless, I think we can (mostly) all agree that Seraphicus ain't the goat (had to look up the Seraphicus model is, D tier imo).
After a revision of classic chaplains models, I have to say, the Power fist classic one is probably my second favourite after the Primaris one (But as a DA player if you put hoods and robes in anything I'm gonna like it)
This one I was sure would end up as a diorama mini, but it seems only Helbrecht gets to suffer that fate. Grimaldus on the other hand gets a wonderfully faithful Primaris reinterpretation and a fantastic set of Servitor attendants to boot. The banner is fantastic.
I've not been wowed by the BT stuff so far, but this guy? This guy I'm getting.
Also the trailer used music from Warhammer 40,000: Mechanicus, which has an absolutely incredible soundtrack. Look it up if you haven't already.
Definitely a nice model, and not everyone needs a tactical rock to leap away from but I have to agree with some of the voices of him being a bit bland or generic. I think it is the pose mirroring basically the indomitus chaplain.
Bago wrote: Definitely a nice model, and not everyone needs a tactical rock to leap away from but I have to agree with some of the voices of him being a bit bland or generic. I think it is the pose mirroring basically the indomitus chaplain.
I didn't think of that, dang, he really does have the same pose as the Indomitus chaplain... except the Indomitus chap pulls it off better.
Bago wrote: Definitely a nice model, and not everyone needs a tactical rock to leap away from but I have to agree with some of the voices of him being a bit bland or generic. I think it is the pose mirroring basically the indomitus chaplain.
It IS a nice sculpt, tho
I'm gonna paint up this guy, the EC, my Indom Chaplain, and my Captain converted from an Indom Chaplain up into a synchronised command staff. Could chuck in the Primaris Lieutenant too.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Also the trailer used music from Warhammer 40,000: Mechanicus, which has an absolutely incredible soundtrack. Look it up if you haven't already.
Well, gak...I was just thinking of looking for that music and you saved me the hassle. Thanks!
Galas wrote: People... that helmet is the helmet Grimaldus has had for more than 20 years, stop acting like is something new.
Sure. But it always looked terrible. It was just less noticeable when the whole model was terrible.
I have to disagree. At this point, that helmet and the servitors are the only thing Grimaldus has going for him.
And thats something I tought about today. Special characters don't feel special anymore, unless they are something completely unique like, I don't know, a space marine mutant with wings and claws. But "Normal dude of the army with more bling" has lost his appeal of "special characterdom" a while ago. Unless you are in a fancy base or diorama, most special characters are right now just a conversion away to be made from a normal kit.
Galas wrote: People... that helmet is the helmet Grimaldus has had for more than 20 years, stop acting like is something new.
Sure. But it always looked terrible. It was just less noticeable when the whole model was terrible.
I have to disagree. At this point, that helmet and the servitors are the only thing Grimaldus has going for him.
And thats something I tought about today. Special characters don't feel special anymore, unless they are something completely unique like, I don't know, a space marine mutant with wings and claws. But "Normal dude of the army with more bling" has lost his appeal of "special characterdom" a while ago. Unless you are in a fancy base or diorama, most special characters are right now just a conversion away to be made from a normal kit.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Well. We’ve seen one, leading the mixed squad. So even if we don’t get a Sword Brethren squad, the rumour is still ultimately accurate.
The specific rumour had them getting their own box. That's what I'm referring to.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Well. We’ve seen one, leading the mixed squad. So even if we don’t get a Sword Brethren squad, the rumour is still ultimately accurate.
The specific rumour had them getting their own box. That's what I'm referring to.
I mean there's still this model GW seems to have revealed on accident in their Black Templars video, that's without a doubt both a Sword Brethren, and not the one we've seen already.
Bago wrote: Definitely a nice model, and not everyone needs a tactical rock to leap away from but I have to agree with some of the voices of him being a bit bland or generic. I think it is the pose mirroring basically the indomitus chaplain.
I didn't think of that, dang, he really does have the same pose as the Indomitus chaplain... except the Indomitus chap pulls it off better.
I don't have the time to dig out the images but I had the same feeling when looking at the Deathwatch Chaplain Cassius and one of the GW Exclusive Plague Marines. I know there are likely only a few ways of modelling a 'walking foward firing a bolt pistol with CCW in the left hand' Marine but it really seemed like they had been created from the same shared basic CAD model, just with different bells and whistles.
I have pruned out a bunch of OT chatter. As a reminder, if you see something that you feel is inappropriate in a thread, please hit the mod alert button so that we can decide whether or not it needs action, rather than derailing the thread over it.
Ignoring for a moment that those four characters are a considerable distance away from the 'exact same pose', there are only so many poses that work, so yes, you're going to see variations on those poses crop up on multiple models. The fact that those four models are all waving a stick in the air while not actually being in exactly the same pose is, in fact, a step up from the metal model days, when GW would re-use an armature for multiple models and just put the skull decorations in different places.
I don't find Grimaldus himself particularly exciting but I like that the servitors don't have any sculpted BT iconography. They would fit into other Imperium armies too.
I wasn't a big fan, but the helmet has been growing on me.I can see why people don't like it, but it's his iconic look. Asmodai also has a pretty interesting helmet for a chaplain, so we'll see if he looks any good primarised as well.
Also, anyone getting Bane vibes from Grimaldus? "You think the darkness is your ally?)
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:You know GW is running out of ideas for the Marine range if they put out 4 characters sculpts in the exact same pose.
insaniak wrote:Ignoring for a moment that those four characters are a considerable distance away from the 'exact same pose', there are only so many poses that work, so yes, you're going to see variations on those poses crop up on multiple models. The fact that those four models are all waving a stick in the air while not actually being in exactly the same pose is, in fact, a step up from the metal model days, when GW would re-use an armature for multiple models and just put the skull decorations in different places.
Also, they guy in robes’s picture at the end has been flipped. He’s got his pistol in the other hand, wrong foot forward, etc.
insaniak wrote: Ignoring for a moment that those four characters are a considerable distance away from the 'exact same pose', there are only so many poses that work, so yes, you're going to see variations on those poses crop up on multiple models.
I mean, yes, if you deliberately pick out the models that are in similar poses, they'll all be in similar poses. In other news: water is wet.
Or maybe it's a simple observation of two things: that all Primaris Chaplains have the same pose, and that it's gonna look really awkward if you have the EC and Grimaldus in the same army?
It is a bit weird that we have three Chaplains in similar poses, plus the new Emp's Chump.
As for upcoming BTs, Varlak has said he's seen the Sword Brethren kit, and he knew the contents of the lacklustre launch box as well.
[EDIT]: Over on his Facebook page, Mark Gibbons has been posting some of the original concept artwork for the Black Templars he did years ago. According to what he said, the procession of Servitors was never something intended to be created as miniatures, just something he added for fun!
That art is frame worthy. A chaplain with a chainsword is cool. And I would have preferred those servitors to the new ones. They're much more characterful, for a bunch of lobotomized dudes. I was also a big fan of censer-hands, since I imagined he launched them out like the guy from Hellboy 2.
Grimaldus isn't terrible, and I think they've painted his teeth in such a way that they stand out more than it should, but so far the only model that gives me the "wow" factor is Helbrecht still. Which is a bit disappointing given that I am still very happy that BT have finally been given some loving again.
The Firstborn Black Templars Chapter Upgrade is now marked as "Sold Out Online" on GW's website, meaning a wildly inferior Primaris replacement is coming soon
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: The Firstborn Black Templars Chapter Upgrade is now marked as "Sold Out Online" on GW's website, meaning a wildly inferior Primaris replacement is coming soon
Could be a rebox. Never know these days with the store listing errors they've been having.
Speaking of things going away, the old $18 emperor's champion is still on the site for those who prefer firstborn (in finecast ) to the probably overpriced new guy
Gotta say, I'm really digging the new BT stuff. If i wasn't holding out for World Eaters (Which, seem more likely than ever thanks to the rumors) I would probably be very tempted.
BT has always been one of the marine chapters I've considered starting, way back to when I got into the Hobby. Happy for all the BT that they are getting this refresh, they really deserve it.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: The Firstborn Black Templars Chapter Upgrade is now marked as "Sold Out Online" on GW's website, meaning a wildly inferior Primaris replacement is coming soon
Could be a rebox. Never know these days with the store listing errors they've been having.
Yeah, Space Wolves for example have the old AND the primaris upgrade sprue available.
No wolves on Fenris wrote: I wonder if the possible rumoured Ancient might look like this seen as they are using a lot of old art work as inspiration at the moment?
If it does I might have to get it for my Salamanders, that was always a sweet piece of artwork.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: The Firstborn Black Templars Chapter Upgrade is now marked as "Sold Out Online" on GW's website, meaning a wildly inferior Primaris replacement is coming soon
Could be a rebox. Never know these days with the store listing errors they've been having.
Yeah, Space Wolves for example have the old AND the primaris upgrade sprue available.
Another Black Templar rocking that "behold my stick" look? Meh. Was dumb on the Emperor's Champion, doesn't help Grimaldus either. At least the rest of Grimaldus is decent.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: The Firstborn Black Templars Chapter Upgrade is now marked as "Sold Out Online" on GW's website, meaning a wildly inferior Primaris replacement is coming soon
Could be a rebox. Never know these days with the store listing errors they've been having.
Yeah, Space Wolves for example have the old AND the primaris upgrade sprue available.
Same for BA & DA.
I can see it go away for good. The Templars upgrade sprue is old and unless they redid it without me noticing it's got fairly soft detail and is marginally incompatible with modern normal Marines due to changed peg and hole placement on the torso pieces. The other chapter upgrade sprues are a lot crisper and more modern.
Geifer wrote: The Templars upgrade sprue is old and unless they redid it without me noticing it's got fairly soft detail and is marginally incompatible with modern normal Marines due to changed peg and hole placement on the torso pieces. The other chapter upgrade sprues are a lot crisper and more modern.
That's true, but in a world in which plastic khorne berserkers, catachan infantry squads, and any number of character models that predate 3rd edition are still sold, the kit offers a lot of variety and is very far from the worst offender as far as old details go, so I hope they keep it around.
Geifer wrote: The Templars upgrade sprue is old and unless they redid it without me noticing it's got fairly soft detail and is marginally incompatible with modern normal Marines due to changed peg and hole placement on the torso pieces. The other chapter upgrade sprues are a lot crisper and more modern.
That's true, but in a world in which plastic khorne berserkers, catachan infantry squads, and any number of character models that predate 3rd edition are still sold, the kit offers a lot of variety and is very far from the worst offender as far as old details go, so I hope they keep it around.
If it were only the character models, the Warp Spiders, Vyper and Falcon are all 2nd ed.
Oh, the Vyper and Falcon have aged IMHO remarkably well (except the crew), all things considered, but yeah, those warp spiders... such a shame since eldar I think benefit so much from contemporary sculpting/casting tech. And yeah I'm sure other kits, those were just the ones that came to mind.
Geifer wrote: The Templars upgrade sprue is old and unless they redid it without me noticing it's got fairly soft detail and is marginally incompatible with modern normal Marines due to changed peg and hole placement on the torso pieces. The other chapter upgrade sprues are a lot crisper and more modern.
That's true, but in a world in which plastic khorne berserkers, catachan infantry squads, and any number of character models that predate 3rd edition are still sold, the kit offers a lot of variety and is very far from the worst offender as far as old details go, so I hope they keep it around.
Oh, I'm the last one to complain if it does stick around. More options is always better than fewer options. I'm still sad that the old Sisters vehicle sprue is gone. I'd still buy it for the Rhino topper.
Y'know usually I would be shocked and surprised that somehow things got out early from GW but seeing the mess Hasbro has been making with the latest batch of Transformers stuff this ain't too bad.
Calling it now. Squats will all have Grimaldus style helms.
Round and angry looking? I mean, who doesn't expect squats to get dwarf face/ancestor face styled helmets? Maybe not for the basic troops, but anyone of rank? I'd call that a given.
Geifer wrote: I mean, who doesn't expect squats to get dwarf face/ancestor face styled helmets? Maybe not for the basic troops, but anyone of rank? I'd call that a given.
I don't expect it, given how GW has been trying to get away from 40k armies having the same aesthetics as AoS armies, as seen with the new, less Marine-y Stormcasts and leaner, more Tolkien-y Orruks. And AoS has the Kharadron, round and angry, with Ancestor-styled helmets.
I don't know, Kharadron have that kind of steampunky flair to their helmets. Irondrakes use the same idea with a clear fantasy look. I don't see why Squats wouldn't have the same with a techy sci-fi look. Same idea, different execution.
I think AoS may be moving away from being Warhammer Fantasy in Space on the Ground as you say but not because they are trying to keep things separate, which they managed just fine with 40k and Fantasy for decades, but because the plan of consciously emulating the success of 40k in any way possible died with the botched launch of AoS and GW is trying to let AoS succeed on its own strengths now. Which to me means that even if they don't want to outright draw on the same sources, they won't go out of their way to avoid it if it's a good fit.
I mean, look at Helbrecht's fancy new helmet. GW hasn't been outright drawing on fantasy/historical design for Space Marines in years. If they wanted to keep everything separate, how could that helmet have happened? In my opinion it's as simple as that it fits Black Templars, so it was done. No matter how the knights from Sigmar's cities feel about unlicensed use of their designs.
Geifer wrote: I mean, look at Helbrecht's fancy new helmet. GW hasn't been outright drawing on fantasy/historical design for Space Marines in years. If they wanted to keep everything separate, how could that helmet have happened? In my opinion it's as simple as that it fits Black Templars, so it was done. No matter how the knights from Sigmar's cities feel about unlicensed use of their designs.
...but nobody in AoS has the same Crusader aesthetic as Helbrecht/Black Templars? The humans are much more renaissance.
Oh, they've finally stopped selling the knights from the 90s? In that case forget that I said anything. We'll have to wait for The Old World to stop appearing like vaporware and Brettonians to come back instead.
Geifer wrote: Oh, they've finally stopped selling the knights from the 90s? In that case forget that I said anything. We'll have to wait for The Old World to stop appearing like vaporware and Brettonians to come back instead.
If you mean the Demigryph Knights, they're still on sale, but they have a much more of a Renessaince-Era tournament Knight, than the Black Templars Crusader aesthetic. But other than that, it's all Greatswords and Pistoliers and and Handgunners and the lot.
It's going to be $199, unless the price goes up compared to the other two launch boxes we've seen.
When it comes out is up for grabs. Probably the next few weeks though. My understanding currently is that it WILL have a Made to Order for the first weekend so you will not necessarily miss out if it sells through.
The Black Adder wrote: I doubt it will be made to order only because it will likely include a limited edition codex. For those that really want one I hope I'm wrong.
Going forwards, we’re looking at ways we can make sure you don’t miss out on other awesome box sets too. So if, for instance, there was a sweet new Black Templars launch box on the horizon (just imagine that!) then that also sounds like the sort of box we’d want to make sure you could all get your hands on.
Assuming this goes exactly, 1:1 like Octarius did?
They'll have two items listed for sale.
Item #1 is the version that is "while stocks last". They'll have something extra that is also "while stocks last" tied to it(KT had a set of metal gauges).
Item #2 is the version that is "made to order". It won't be while stocks last, but it will only be available that weekend.
I imagine they would have made less boxes for the Black Templar box, compared to the octarius. My FLGS still has octarius boxes for sale, so they definitely made enough for that. So BT players may have to wait for their copies, though at least they'll have the option for it
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: This image really makes this army set look sad and tiny.
Yeah, that was my first impression, too.
Apropos tiny, funny how the 3rd ed. Blanche illustration kinda inadvertently foreshadows Primaris, with the guys in the middle being like twice the size of their lil' buddies :p
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: This image really makes this army set look sad and tiny.
And it'll still sell out in seconds by virtue of being a Marine release.
There's £100+ of models (GW Prices, and probably closer to the £110-£120 mark), plus a codex, plus data cards. Depending on selling cost, it's a good deal, even better if you can get it from a third party with 20% discount.
Would have preferred a Sword brethren squad or a 2nd Crusader instead of the Redemptor. But if its the same price as the Beast Snagger set I'll probably grab one. If its more, then I can wait for the full range release to pick and choose.
I am interested in this army. But I am not interested in the set as it currently sits. Any idea how long it will be before the full kits come to market? Are any of these sculpts locked behind this paywall, or are we expecting them all to get a release?
The current "best thoughts" seem to be that everything in the box will come out, individually. Neophytes+Initiates are a single "Crusader Squad" box though with the ability to build a Sword Brethren to lead the squad.
The three items from the Beast Snagga box(named character, boyz, riders) took around 2-3 months to release individually. The special cards did not see an individual release, nor did the special codex version.
Quite literally? It's a Combat Patrol box with some extra gubbins. Combat Patrols are $140 as they stand, and codices are $50. There's always a "dud" item in a Combat Patrol box, sadly, and the BT got a Redemptor for theirs.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: This image really makes this army set look sad and tiny.
And it'll still sell out in seconds by virtue of being a Marine release.
Or just a FOMO release.
But it definitely looks anemic.
I've never been a particular fan of that particular art piece, but I suppose its better than the weirdly proportioned new cover art.
And I see that Black Templars are getting 'Vows and Passions' on top of the usual marine layers of nonsense. Are we at the (new paradigm +1) stage of codex creep already?
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: This image really makes this army set look sad and tiny.
And it'll still sell out in seconds by virtue of being a Marine release.
Or just a FOMO release.
But it definitely looks anemic.
I've never been a particular fan of that particular art piece, but I suppose its better than the weirdly proportioned new cover art.
And I see that Black Templars are getting 'Vows and Passions' on top of the usual marine layers of nonsense. Are we at the (new paradigm +1) stage of codex creep already?
Templars dont do any of the psychic powers, so vows and passions may be something that the emperors champ/ other characters can do to take their place.
Togusa wrote: I am interested in this army. But I am not interested in the set as it currently sits. Any idea how long it will be before the full kits come to market? Are any of these sculpts locked behind this paywall, or are we expecting them all to get a release?
November probably since that's when the supplement by itself is released.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: This image really makes this army set look sad and tiny.
And it'll still sell out in seconds by virtue of being a Marine release.
Or just a FOMO release.
But it definitely looks anemic.
I've never been a particular fan of that particular art piece, but I suppose its better than the weirdly proportioned new cover art.
And I see that Black Templars are getting 'Vows and Passions' on top of the usual marine layers of nonsense. Are we at the (new paradigm +1) stage of codex creep already?
Templars dont do any of the psychic powers, so vows and passions may be something that the emperors champ/ other characters can do to take their place.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of 'no psychic powers, so here's things that are specifically NotPsychicPowers but functionally the same sort of effects.'
At some point Romeo just has to admit he's playing word games about roses.
Not a fan with Sisters, AoS Blood Blooders, Necrons, or anything else, especially when they dodge psychic defenses and downsides (like Perils), but aren't affected by anything in turn.
The word "sparse" doesn't begin to cover this release. There were Battleforces back in the day that had more stuff in them for less money. This is one model more than your average Start Collecting! box.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The worse "sparse" doesn't begin to cover this release. There were Battleforces back in the day that had more stuff in them for less money. This is one model more than your average Start Collecting! box.
I think this is what we can expect going forward given the new "Anti-scalper/MTO" model they've promised.
The old days of dual boxes that promised ~50% discounts will be over, instead, it'll be setups like this where you're essentially paying the full price, but you get the LE codex and a few months jump on the general release for the enticement. Maybe, if we're lucky, this kind of box will hit the $170 price point offering a bit of a savings.
Will be interesting to see how they handle the rumored Custodes/Genestealer Cults box. Do they keep the old value and just let the sales run for a weekend? Or are those boxes exempted from the new policy by using some new terminology? E.g. the way they coined "Launch Box" for Indomitus and acted like it wasn't a breach of a decade of expectations
Still umming and ahhing over whether to purchase this. There's just so much on the horizon and starting a SM army from scratch is pretty pricey. So very tempted though.
The Custodes/GSC box is a Battlebox, per The Rumor--which would likely mean they will not have it as part of a MTO.
The Sisters v Tau box is a launch box and would likely get a MTO.
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Marshal Loss wrote: Still umming and ahhing over whether to purchase this. There's just so much on the horizon and starting a SM army from scratch is pretty pricey. So very tempted though.
No stake in it, but if you want it...I'd say go for it. You seem to really like BT so why not go whole hog?
H.B.M.C. wrote: The worse "sparse" doesn't begin to cover this release. There were Battleforces back in the day that had more stuff in them for less money. This is one model more than your average Start Collecting! box.
It's not meant to be a start collecting. It's meant to bundle some models and the new codex together, before the main release, at a small discount over selling them all individually. It's not even new, I have the SM Army box from 4th and the Spearhead from 5th personally.
I made the comparison in that its content is similar to Start Collecting! boxes, which are generally 1 character, 1 squad and 1 "something else", and that this was just that +1 model.
Togusa wrote: I am interested in this army. But I am not interested in the set as it currently sits. Any idea how long it will be before the full kits come to market? Are any of these sculpts locked behind this paywall, or are we expecting them all to get a release?
November probably since that's when the supplement by itself is released.
That's not too bad, gives me time to get other projects going (and maybe finished!)
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H.B.M.C. wrote: The worse "sparse" doesn't begin to cover this release. There were Battleforces back in the day that had more stuff in them for less money. This is one model more than your average Start Collecting! box.
Its like when my parents tell me a hotdog was 15 cents. What was, is no longer. As for the content of the box, I'm not going to get it. Ill wait for the individual release.
Look, its not a bad set, it's just weird calling it an "army". At least they put a decent unit in there (redemptor) rather than a dud. The fact it has 2 characters in there automatically bumps the cost (like the sad Deathwatch Combat Patrol), but if its $199 you're getting the codex supplement ($30), redemptor ($60), and infantry squad ($60), so paying $49 for 2 characters and overpriced cards. Not great, but not terrible either.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Do you expect that it won't be the same as the Sisters, Lumineth and Beastsnagga ones?
If it's less, to reflect the terrible contents, then ok great, but I doubt it.
I don't really expect anything, I was just asking, as your post implied that the price was known, and I though I might have missed it being announced.
Anyway, it basically start collecting + codex, so I guess it makes sense for it to cost at least a bit more than mere start collecting box. Also, I don't really remember how much the boxes you mention costed (though I go the Sisters one.)
Togusa wrote: Its like when my parents tell me a hotdog was 15 cents.
It's not like that at all.
I mean, they still sell Start Collecting! boxes, with that level of content*, for a cheaper price.
*Sans book and cards.
Were talking about the ones from like 2005-2009 right? From a time when the dollar was much stronger, and the models were 1\4 the quality that they are today? I mean just vote with your wallet, that's what I will do.
Some more sprue pictures, this time of the Crusaders:
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Final confirmation (if there were any doubters at this point) of the dedicated Sword Brethren box, as there is no power maul or plasma pistol that I can see in the Crusader kit. Great selection of bits and weapons on offer.
Marshal Loss wrote: Still umming and ahhing over whether to purchase this. There's just so much on the horizon and starting a SM army from scratch is pretty pricey. So very tempted though.
No stake in it, but if you want it...I'd say go for it. You seem to really like BT so why not go whole hog?
If they do Cadians this way, I'm going in.
There's just so much on the horizon that I'm also interested in: CSM + Eldar + the 30k box + Chaos Knights all almost certainly next year, World Eaters at some point...I'm trying to be fiscally responsible here.
Final confirmation (if there were any doubters at this point) of the dedicated Sword Brethren box, as there is no power maul or plasma pistol that I can see in the Crusader kit. Great selection of bits and weapons on offer.
Marshal Loss wrote: Still umming and ahhing over whether to purchase this. There's just so much on the horizon and starting a SM army from scratch is pretty pricey. So very tempted though.
No stake in it, but if you want it...I'd say go for it. You seem to really like BT so why not go whole hog?
If they do Cadians this way, I'm going in.
There's just so much on the horizon that I'm also interested in: CSM + Eldar + the 30k box + Chaos Knights all almost certainly next year, World Eaters at some point...I'm trying to be fiscally responsible here.
Give in! Let the cash flow out of your wallet. I'm interested in the CSM stuff too, bought into that in 2019.
Yes it is, and yes there are - the Crusader kit will be these sprues doubled, so four in total. Every initiate and neophyte has their choice of weapons, the SB is optional and comes with numerous options (looks like you get four power weapons and two fists in the kit), as well as the two pyreblasters, etc.
In theory, it being a Supplement and not a Codex might shave a few bucks off the price tag, but on the other hand it's an extremely hyped up loyalist Marine release so GW might just decide to keep it at 'codex army box' prices anyway, knowing it will sell like hotcakes regardelss.
I think what this stark box is really going to show is how high GW prices have got. For me, I'd say that's about £50 worth of value there, and that's pushing it. What's the betting this'll be for £160-£180.
zedmeister wrote: I think what this stark box is really going to show is how high GW prices have got. For me, I'd say that's about £50 worth of value there, and that's pushing it. What's the betting this'll be for £160-£180.
If the box sells out, which I think we can say it inevitability will, then we know your value is off.
zedmeister wrote: I think what this stark box is really going to show is how high GW prices have got. For me, I'd say that's about £50 worth of value there, and that's pushing it. What's the betting this'll be for £160-£180.
If the box sells out, which I think we can say it inevitability will, then we know your value is off.
Oh it'll sell, no doubt. I stand by my perception of value (hence my use of "For me"). We know the price is going to be eye watering.
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) to the probably overpriced new guy
