These are basically back banners. With all the problems that those entail. Fiddly bits with small connection points, break easy, make transportation a pain, etc.
Are people just using the ones that come with the kits and sucking it up, or are there options? For 40k I stopped using back banners and switched to just banner toppers glued to the backpacks to help sarges stand out a bit.
I want to show pride in my legion and march forth banners flying, but they are such a pain.
from a game mechanic POV, they seem situationally nice. Not for every squad, but OK for ones planning on getting into CC or hugging the back board edge.
These are basically back banners. With all the problems that those entail. Fiddly bits with small connection points, break easy, make transportation a pain, etc.
Are people just using the ones that come with the kits and sucking it up, or are there options? For 40k I stopped using back banners and switched to just banner toppers glued to the backpacks to help sarges stand out a bit.
I want to show pride in my legion and march forth banners flying, but they are such a pain.
from a game mechanic POV, they seem situationally nice. Not for every squad, but OK for ones planning on getting into CC or hugging the back board edge.
I saw on Reddit that some people were using brass rod to make them into handheld banners. I tried it and it looks pretty decent - need some greenstuff to add a few details on the brass rod to make it a proper banner pole though.
The arm holding the power sword from the Mark VI kit is just about the correct angle for the conversion. The tough part is figuring out how to model the bearer with a slung bolter, or left handed bolter.
I used a few of the staff toppers from the Empire Battlemage kit for my friend's Tsons. All they needed was a pin to make sure they didn't snap and we were golden.
These are basically back banners. With all the problems that those entail. Fiddly bits with small connection points, break easy, make transportation a pain, etc.
Are people just using the ones that come with the kits and sucking it up, or are there options? For 40k I stopped using back banners and switched to just banner toppers glued to the backpacks to help sarges stand out a bit.
I want to show pride in my legion and march forth banners flying, but they are such a pain.
from a game mechanic POV, they seem situationally nice. Not for every squad, but OK for ones planning on getting into CC or hugging the back board edge.
I use the ones out of the kits as well as 3D printed ones, but I magnetise them with a small magnet drilled into or onto the pack (depending on mark of armour) and glued onto the bottom of the banner pole. This makes them easy to store and very durable as they won't snap. It also means you can swap vexillas round easily and if you decide not to use them they can just be left off. I do the same with voxes and augury scanners (in the boxes case I magnetise the whole pack and have a spare with no vox on it)
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Gonna build a double Plasma Cannon Contemptor. Because there’s no-one to stop me this time.
Not now, but Gets Hot! will eventually.
(but not until after you melt a lot of marines)
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Thanks for the input all. I’ll probably go with magnets. Not hard to sink them into backs/backpacks. And might just be able to extend the banner poles with one.
Might only start fielding him once I’ve lost a Veteran Sarge to Plasma pistol overheat, twice, buying him bionics in between deaths.
Can you get the parts to make the classic “this thing is dangerous” plasma gunner in heresy era marks? A supporting ML arm and a straight out to the side firing arm.
Might only start fielding him once I’ve lost a Veteran Sarge to Plasma pistol overheat, twice, buying him bionics in between deaths.
I've done one too, thanks to the boner some dev had for Contemptors that resulted, in addition to all their other buffs, in them having superior versions of all the guns, so Contemptor plasmas are 5" for no damn reason when all others are 3". Best coupled with another plasma unit that can carry a vox.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Caliver is Heavy. But at least has some kind of range to speak of. Also worried the Chargers are wee enough to look like Nerf Guns.
Also, pics.
Yeah, but chargers cost nothing and are assult.
That is the issue, whilest calviers cost 10 pts, are therefore more expensive then hws far superior volkite....
And i say that as someone that likes the calvier.
Tbh i think most people would let you get away with counting the calviers as chargers for looks.
The caliver vs culverin points costs are the biggest mystery in all of 30k.
Calibers look so awesome but are just so utterly pointless points wise. Dont think anyone would mind you using them as chargers though. They look so cool!
In regards to what I'm doing. I finally took a photo. Here are some sons of Horus destroyers
They were mainly an experiment in if I could print models in a single piece with no assembly on the tower side. All on all it went pretty well. Couple of issues with supports merging together under the backpacks but not bad
Racerguy180 wrote: I love Calivers for the range but yes, Chargers being assault have their own je ne sais pas "in your face" quality about them.
I was looking at the numbers and asked in a thread a while back. I wanted to fit the mid range ones into a support squad, but by the numbers just springing for the heavy slot with the big guns is a significantly better use of points, FOC space allowing.
I still do have plans for a 10 man support squad with chargers and chainswords in a LR.
I’m a little torqued at GW for having all the specialist guns with 2 hands molded on the plastic upgrade pack. Makes it hard to do sergeants and alternative poses. Really wished they had at least one gun without hands, or just one on the grip.
Wary as I’ve always been about transports (thanks, 2nd Ed!) I am tempted by the idea of a Lascannon Proteus Explorer packed to the gunnels with Volkite Chargers.
An early game “I’m over here in the corner, wrecking your stuff, you better come out and stop me” type threat/distraction.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Wary as I’ve always been about transports (thanks, 2nd Ed!) I am tempted by the idea of a Lascannon Proteus Explorer packed to the gunnels with Volkite Chargers.
An early game “I’m over here in the corner, wrecking your stuff, you better come out and stop me” type threat/distraction.
But why? (and i say this as a fan of the full volkite predator )
Seekers can do the same but better, AND can infiltrate a proteus up the board which means even more dakka ontop of seeker boltguns > volkite chargers/ calviers.
otoh, rotorcannons, now that is a squad that can profit from positioning AND break up reactions for your opponent.
My volkite Predator looked great, but ended up as terrain. It just can't compete with variants like the magna-melta cannon (okay, that's a silly name) + lascannon.
I have 3 volkite preds and a full volkite kratos in my spearhead list. The preds really do work. They put out a LOT of shots and being one of the few vehicle squadrons that can intercept/overwatch/return fire with full effect is a meaty little benefit
Bobug wrote: I have 3 volkite preds and a full volkite kratos in my spearhead list. The preds really do work. They put out a LOT of shots and being one of the few vehicle squadrons that can intercept/overwatch/return fire with full effect is a meaty little benefit
That is true. S6 limit on vehicles is absurd for reactions tbh, especially considering that dreads (which are smaller than tanks) just ignore this... like half the rest of ruleslimitations...
I had 2 boxes left over from using them for my fantasy wood elves so thought they’d work pretty well, done decently in the 2 games I’ve bought them too as well
With the remaining six aspirants finished, my possessed librarius posse is now up to ten men strong and ready for their first (err, last...?) suicide mission. Click the pictures to see details.
Wondering if bound daemon brute rules would be good for representing these unlucky fellows on the table as they're herded against the enemy lines.
Pratting with bits and wondering (as a newbie to 30k) if something like this will pass off as a Nemesis Bolter.
Going to make a unit of 5. Not sure which slot I'll use. Most likely the Fast Attack slot unit that has 5 WS.
Gimgamgoo wrote: Pratting with bits and wondering (as a newbie to 30k) if something like this will pass off as a Nemesis Bolter.
Going to make a unit of 5. Not sure which slot I'll use. Most likely the Fast Attack slot unit that has 5 WS.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Looks visually distinct, without being Just Another Slightly Different Bolter
Cheers.
I'll see how they paint up. The only annoying part is going to be the hip firing models which will look silly with a sniper rifle. I'll have to turn their heads the other way or something so it looks like they're looking somewhere else rather than hip firing.
They'll chew through your magnet supply pretty quick but are otherwise fairly easy to get fully magnetized up. One for the pintle mount, two for the weapon and 2 for the... what would you call it? Ammo/energy panel?
So for a full weapon set all magnetized up you'll want maybe 21 small magnets or 13 chunkier ones.
Finished up five more Iron Hands Despoilers to make a 20-man unit. Pretty good timing considering a friend as just started his Emperor's Children army.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Not even sure the panel bit, given it lies flat, will need a magnet or two?
I mean, you could certainly get away without, it usually fits well enough. But I like having the mags to make sure it doesn't fall off during transit ya know? So it's probably down to personal preference.
Worked on getting the wash phase on a random smattering of stuff. I had some fun with my Recon marines going with a camo pattern on their armor, sticking the green undercoat I put on all my Sons of Horus before applying Sons of Horus Green.
Combined with a couple of Sicarans, my SoH collection now has quite a bit of autocannons, too.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: Worked on getting the wash phase on a random smattering of stuff. I had some fun with my Recon marines going with a camo pattern on their armor, sticking the green undercoat I put on all my Sons of Horus before applying Sons of Horus Green.
Combined with a couple of Sicarans, my SoH collection now has quite a bit of autocannons, too.
The assault ramp on LRs has the worst stress concentration points and mine sheared the other day.
Drilled out the pieces.
Using metal guitar string as a 'core' to give a much stronger component after repair.
Well spotted:
The transparent bases are the most awesome feature of this army.
I assume, that's why they call you "Old Eagle Eye"
The bases have magnets in the centre. First I did hide the magnets under the feet, but using movement trays, having the magnet dead centre has it's advantages. On the other hand the magnets are visible now. I bought some spray paint labeled "transparent coat", but no matter how many coats I applied the magnets stayed opaque. I wish I'd live in the US, I might sue them, but here I have to live with my disappointment.
Having the magnets in the middle is important because, there are transparent movement trays which have magnets to attach the miniatures to.
And not enough, there are also transport trays, which take miniatures or sets of loaded movement trays, which will be stacked in the transport case.
The models can jump from the case right onto the battle field.
Usually the handles are higher than the model. I just didn't have time to make some for the Falchion, up to than he has always to be at the top. As is his due anyway.
The Javelins have special holders to accomodate their shape.
I'm currently sitting at work and weighing my options. Do I bling out my Alpha Legion with upgraded head and shoulder pads and do a slow build up? I've always wanted a fancy FW upgraded army. Or do I instead use that same money and buy a bunch of tanks, which I'd need to play? Currently I'm leaning towards the tanks, just because the upgrade kits would cost me a fortune.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: Worked on getting the wash phase on a random smattering of stuff. I had some fun with my Recon marines going with a camo pattern on their armor, sticking the green undercoat I put on all my Sons of Horus before applying Sons of Horus Green.
Combined with a couple of Sicarans, my SoH collection now has quite a bit of autocannons, too.
Looking good!
Good decision to not paint the Terminators completely black as then they lose the uniform feel of an army.
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SirDonlad wrote: The assault ramp on LRs has the worst stress concentration points and mine sheared the other day.
Drilled out the pieces.
Using metal guitar string as a 'core' to give a much stronger component after repair.
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This happened to mine too when assembling the Crusader last year. I just glued it shut and covered the spot with Red Oxide Paste and a healthy dose of weathering powders.
Nice to see everyone's projects coming along really well!
My own army has hit a roadblock. My crappy old chinese knock off airbursh has I think actually carked it this time as nothing I do seems to fix it and I do not have the required ~$500+ to replace it and the gakky compressor I have with a decent kit. And since the particular method of painting them that I planned on using revolved around having an airbrush, i'm now looking for alternate methods that aren't just boring black.
On a positive note though, I now have everything primed and ready to roll. Once I find a paint scheme I like, I'll be able to dive straight into it.
(bottom one, top is what passes for a modern plasma in stl land)
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Loving your digital work, Blackfang. Top notch stuff! Is there any chance you'd be able/willing to share the file for the Sol Militus plasma cannon? I'd love to have my dreads armed with that particular variant of plasma.
Just finished the back half of the destroyer squad i did the front of in 2017.
Need to clean up and paint the JPs for them. I ordered some from Kromlech? (honestly forget) back in the day, but only cleaned up/maged 2 for some deathwatch that never got used, so get to return to the primary job.
Almost done with the hull build on the sicarian. Just need the engine bits and then the turret/sponsons/etc.
And the more important question of how to trick out the tank commander. I got this tank to be the HQ for the armored RoW, so need someone suitable sticking out the top hatch. I’m evenly divided on a fancy guy with a crested helm, pointing a sword and demanding to be driven closer, or, the grizzled bearded vet with a dataslate, analyzing the battleplans and issuing orders. The latter strikes me more Ultramarine, but there is something to be said for going full meme on the commander.
Good decision to not paint the Terminators completely black as then they lose the uniform feel of an army.
The black and gold terminators are my Justaerin. I also want the option to run regular Cataphractii, because the idea that every terminator in the Sons of Horus are Justaerin is silly to me.
The spoiler below is my end of month progress. I still have a little more than 20 power armor models to finish, all my Justaerin, My Leviathan as well as a tad more work on all the vehicles.
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I have some jet bikes and more Cataphractii terminators on order. And I might pick up 20 more MkIV marines to finish the heavy bolter squad, add a couple of missile launchers and despoilers and create a 10 marine squad of banestrike bolter and chainsword veterans. After that, I want to finally pick up the new Horus model, likely more for display than actual use. However, I'm largely going to be waiting on dispoilers, assault, breachers and/or destoryers in plastic.
Nevelon wrote: Just finished the back half of the destroyer squad i did the front of in 2017.
Very nice! I love the stupidly oversized missile launcher.
Thanks.
The official GW ones have the weird drum/ML thing. I wanted to make them so they could take JPs, which is why the guy with the normal ML has it angled down to avoid clipping. For the big box launcher I used the arms/grip/body of a heavy bolter from one the the plastic 30k marine kits and the launcher from a drop pod. Obviously more awkward, but probably not a lot more massive than the over the shoulder mount, or some of the other heavy weapons marines lug around. It’s all on suspensors anyway so how much does it really weight?
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: The spoiler below is my end of month progress. I still have a little more than 20 power armor models to finish, all my Justaerin, My Leviathan as well as a tad more work on all the vehicles.
As someone who is (slowly) progressing through a SoH army, I am impressed by what you’ve got done. I like the understated shading and highlighting (although I tend to go for a bit more contrast on the highlights). Your models have a very realistic look. However, I think the army needs a bit more contrasting colour, even if only in the form of rust streaks etc.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: The spoiler below is my end of month progress. I still have a little more than 20 power armor models to finish, all my Justaerin, My Leviathan as well as a tad more work on all the vehicles.
As someone who is (slowly) progressing through a SoH army, I am impressed by what you’ve got done. I like the understated shading and highlighting (although I tend to go for a bit more contrast on the highlights). Your models have a very realistic look. However, I think the army needs a bit more contrasting colour, even if only in the form of rust streaks etc.
I understand the critique. And I am certainly a long way from Blanchitsu style. However, I prefer a more toyetic (or fresh off the car lot, if you prefer) style to allow the details to stand out at tabletop distances. Especially since I tend to lean toward a drabber pallet with very low highlights. So I tend to end up with this semi-realistic, partly uncanny valley look due to my crispier, cleaner painting style. Which to be fair to myself, is more exaggerated in close up photos under bright light. And the way I'm painting the green (Vallejo German Fieldgray with heavy dry brush of Sons of Horus Green on top) changes quite a bit depending how the light hit it. See spoiler below.
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Most of the other HH players are going with a much darker, grungier style. Many using oil washes on their models. The spoiler below here was from a 4 player game of my SoH and Death Guard vs. Dusk Raiders and Space Wolves where all the players' armies clashed together. Both the Dust Raiders and Space Wolves are much more grimdark to what I do. But I think my style doesn't clash. However, I definitely can see how someone would want to add some contrast, too.
I should totally put up pics of the 3rd legion attached warhound I'm working on. After so many years in the hobby I finally got myself a big ol' stompy boy.
On the topic at hand I do sit in the grungy camp, but I am an ork player at heart who tends to work in darker hues with the occasional bright colour here and there.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: I understand the critique. And I am certainly a long way from Blanchitsu style. However, I prefer a more toyetic (or fresh off the car lot, if you prefer) style to allow the details to stand out at tabletop distances. Especially since I tend to lean toward a drabber pallet with very low highlights. So I tend to end up with this semi-realistic, partly uncanny valley look due to my crispier, cleaner painting style. Which to be fair to myself, is more exaggerated in close up photos under bright light. And the way I'm painting the green (Vallejo German Fieldgray with heavy dry brush of Sons of Horus Green on top) changes quite a bit depending how the light hit it. See spoiler below.
The fact that you're using field grey as your base colour explains a lot. I would probably embrace the realistic look even more and add a light tan/bone drybrush around the feet and lower legs to simulate dust and tie the models in more with the bases.
Most of the other HH players are going with a much darker, grungier style. Many using oil washes on their models. The spoiler below here was from a 4 player game of my SoH and Death Guard vs. Dusk Raiders and Space Wolves where all the players' armies clashed together. Both the Dust Raiders and Space Wolves are much more grimdark to what I do. But I think my style doesn't clash. However, I definitely can see how someone would want to add some contrast, too.
Yes, I have seen that. A lot of the SoH models I've seen have quite noticable layers of brown/rust - I won't be doing that. What I was suggesting in your case was a more subtle application of rust streaks and rust on the vehicle tracks to add a bit of visual interest. Ultimately, the SoH colour scheme is quite limited (which is also part of its attraction).
At some point, I'd like to put some light color pigment powder on the lower legs to get that dust effect. I don't know if I ever will, as that kind of stuff is for when I theoretically catch up with my painting. And not just for Horus Heresy. The current state of my most of my infantry is where I am perfectly comfortable putting them on the table. Sans any that I haven't put the transfers on.
The vehicles, on the other hand, still have more painting. If nothing else, some clean up work, but I want also add some black to my Land Raiders similar to what's in the books. And the tracks are far from done.
I also still have to put the wash, but I'm hesitant due to the size of them. I want to cover the whole model in wash to stain and darken the whole thing down, but I also really just want the wash in the recesses like a pin wash. So it gets a little tricky the bigger the model gets, as I have to wash it in sections to prevent the wash from drying before I can remove it. But I also have to pick sections that won't reveal that the wash was done in sections. But as much of a pain as it can be, I like the results.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: I also still have to put the wash, but I'm hesitant due to the size of them. I want to cover the whole model in wash to stain and darken the whole thing down, but I also really just want the wash in the recesses like a pin wash. So it gets a little tricky the bigger the model gets, as I have to wash it in sections to prevent the wash from drying before I can remove it. But I also have to pick sections that won't reveal that the wash was done in sections. But as much of a pain as it can be, I like the results.
I am at a similar stage with my bigger SoH models. I need to do a couple of black washes to bring out the detail and lay the basis for the drybrushed highlights. But it's a long and time-consuming process, and (not having painted a lot of models for a while) I'm afraid of screwing it up...
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: I understand the critique. And I am certainly a long way from Blanchitsu style. However, I prefer a more toyetic (or fresh off the car lot, if you prefer) style to allow the details to stand out at tabletop distances. Especially since I tend to lean toward a drabber pallet with very low highlights. So I tend to end up with this semi-realistic, partly uncanny valley look due to my crispier, cleaner painting style. Which to be fair to myself, is more exaggerated in close up photos under bright light. And the way I'm painting the green (Vallejo German Fieldgray with heavy dry brush of Sons of Horus Green on top) changes quite a bit depending how the light hit it. See spoiler below.
The fact that you're using field grey as your base colour explains a lot. I would probably embrace the realistic look even more and add a light tan/bone drybrush around the feet and lower legs to simulate dust and tie the models in more with the bases.
Most of the other HH players are going with a much darker, grungier style. Many using oil washes on their models. The spoiler below here was from a 4 player game of my SoH and Death Guard vs. Dusk Raiders and Space Wolves where all the players' armies clashed together. Both the Dust Raiders and Space Wolves are much more grimdark to what I do. But I think my style doesn't clash. However, I definitely can see how someone would want to add some contrast, too.
Yes, I have seen that. A lot of the SoH models I've seen have quite noticable layers of brown/rust - I won't be doing that. What I was suggesting in your case was a more subtle application of rust streaks and rust on the vehicle tracks to add a bit of visual interest. Ultimately, the SoH colour scheme is quite limited (which is also part of its attraction).
You can do various shades of sea green with the Sons of Horus and also with the Alpha Legion. So I wouldn´t say it is limited. In fact doing slight variations of the traditional Legion colour scheme is encouraged. I did my 30K IH in metallic colours and my 40KIH in run of the mill black.
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Before I continued working on the AoD box there was the pressing matter of working on my SM pile of shame from 40K. Once this is finished work will continue on 30K. So far the amount shown in the album has been finished and there are just a few minis which need building and painting:
While I was working on all those Space Marines power armour fatigue set in. So I needed to paint something different which could also be used later on for 30K (or 40K and other systems) as well. After some consideration my choice fell on the Iron Empire models from Raging Hero which will form a small force helping the Iron Hands out to boost their numbers. I am aware that they are not the favourite allies of the sons from Medusa although Iron Hands and Iron Empire goes together rather well. Anyway here are the models which have been painted so far:
Spesh as end of May and June I get significant bonuses in my pay packet, so will be in a position to buy MOAR.
Reckon more Predators, maybe get that other Heavy Weapon set, too. And assuming they’re out, a brace of Cerebus. And more Leviathans as the one I’ve got is hella lonely.
I've been hammering through my Shattered Legions but took a break to paint some Vostroyans for my Solar Aux. Though I've had to slow down a bit and paint some LotR stuff to prevent burning out.
Past the wash phase for my first squad of Justaerin. I'm not much for kitbashing, so they're pretty simple as I don't have the patience to put on a bunch of rivets, spikes or bonding studs. And getting a hold of CSM top knots on the cheap is kind of a pain. But I think they look okay. And will look much better once I tat them up with transfers.
…and painting some weird Heresy-themed terrain. I repurposed the crypts from the old Garden of Mor kit as war-damaged tombs, perhaps of heroes of the Great Crusade. Not sure if it works, but they don’t look too out of place.
I'm currently working on building a 20 man tactical squad of my 170 total marines(mixed between tacticals, heavy weapons, and special weapon squads). I still have the Betrayal at Calth box, enough to do 20 Alpha Legion Head Hunters, 2 Alpha Legion Contemptors, and a Spartan to get together. This will add to my 10 Lernaean Terminators, 10 lightning claw Terminators, 3 praetors, Armillus Dynat, and 2 other Contemptors. I also have Alpharius, a Vigilator, 2 Apothecaries, and 2 Recon squads coming.......I have a problem
4 rifle sections, 3 SMG' sections, artillery crew, and another command tercio squad to switch in and out. Ontop of some minor additional volkite command tercio member and another medicae.
Also, 2 more landraiders and a scorpious demand paint.
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Snord wrote: I’ve been slowly finishing my SoH Recon squad. I got insecure about the long gun barrels so they are all supported by bits of terrain.
Testing things for a Revenant Legion kill team, changing the plate on a handful of Primaris bodies I had lying about to older marks. Meaningful work, quaranteed
10 Meltaguns done. And that’s been it for my holiday period. Guess I needed more unwinding than I expected!
Next up is my 6th Contemptor, then maybe the 7th, whilst I ponder what I want to do with my last 20 MkVI Marines. On hand I’ve the remaining Special Weapons, and 10 Heavy Bolters.
I am tempted to hold off and get the Hot Heavy Weapons. I reckon a squad of 10 Heavy Flamers can make a pretty mess, and maybe split the last 10 into Plasma Cannon and Multi-Melta. Main reason being I’m not entirely convinced Plasmaguns are really tasty in Heresy. The shift in AP, but retaining Gets Hot! Means they’ve significant downside without the upside of being reliably deadly. Plasma Cannons however? Every time I don’t Gets Hot!, I stand to score multiple hits. And their range is appealing.
Because sometimes, you just want to be silly, and maybe call significant parts of your opponent’s army big smelly poo faces from as far away as possible.
I really like that. And the lines are really sharp and crisp (except for some unevenness around the inner side of the tracks). Looks better than struggling with the plastic Rhino's bottom plate...
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: 10 Meltaguns done. And that’s been it for my holiday period. Guess I needed more unwinding than I expected!
Next up is my 6th Contemptor, then maybe the 7th, whilst I ponder what I want to do with my last 20 MkVI Marines. On hand I’ve the remaining Special Weapons, and 10 Heavy Bolters.
I am tempted to hold off and get the Hot Heavy Weapons. I reckon a squad of 10 Heavy Flamers can make a pretty mess, and maybe split the last 10 into Plasma Cannon and Multi-Melta. Main reason being I’m not entirely convinced Plasmaguns are really tasty in Heresy. The shift in AP, but retaining Gets Hot! Means they’ve significant downside without the upside of being reliably deadly. Plasma Cannons however? Every time I don’t Gets Hot!, I stand to score multiple hits. And their range is appealing.
Hmmm. Pondering, a-pondering, a-pondering I go!
I'd say plasma guns are worth it. Pop them into a rhino, jump out and rapid fire a dread of any variety. Best way I've found to lay one of those suckers low. And also plasma guns look so iconically scifi!
Still a 50/50 chance with Breaching. Plasma Cannons look cool but it's a rare situation where a unit will be very effective. Flamers are fun though. I recently used a Solar Aux Companion Squad with 10 flamers who roasted about 3x of their points value across the game.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I’m just not a fan of the risk/reward. I get why they dropped the AP, but to do so and retain Gets Hot! just doesn’t tickle my fancy.
As one Dark Angel commander to another, I really need to impress upon you the sheer fething nuttiness of our plasma repeaters!
Range: 12", S:6, Ap:4 Assault 3, twin-linked, gets hot, breaching 4+
In a word, they're brutal.
I'm currently running a footslogging support squad of 5 guys with repeaters and they're really pulling their weight. So far i've had them pull down 4 out 5 Iron Hands terminators in a round of overwatch. Utterly murdered 2 alpha legion tactical squads and stripped 5 of 6 wounds off a contemptor. They've pulled their points back every game i've used them, and that's just with a 5 man unit! 170pts to dish out that much firepower is a fething bargain if you ask me.
A unit of 10 in a rhino will do terrible, terrible things to what ever you point them at. So far from my own experiences with them, they only get 1, maybe 2 good rounds of shooting before they get wiped off the board, so Artificer Armour is mandatory on the Sgt so he can tank as many hits as possible and I'd also highly recommend an apothecary to tag along with them, as once your opponent realises what they're capable of, they'll cop a lot of heat. So might not last the whole game, but they'll leave their mark for sure.
Twin-linked really takes the chancy element out of gets hot, and an apothecary can mitigate that even more. And when you're throwing out 3 shots per gun, you don't even have to fish for the breaching. They're a certainty.
Their major downside is their 12" range. If you play on even a semi open board, they'll suffer. But if you play even a moderately terrain heavy board or on a ZM board, they'll shine like a bald head in a bowling ball polisher. Hence why I'd really suggest giving them a rhino to tool around in.
Dude, if you've got the plasma guns their just throw em on and call it a day. No conversion work required. Unless of course you want too have them unique and fancy, which I totally understand.
As I've mentioned before, people would probably consider a S4 AP2 gun worth taking. Well, plasma is that. With an added bonus of forcing a few armour saves on top of that here and there.
Well thematically what are the DA plasma weapons meant to be? Jurry rigged or properly made? If it's the former perhaps you could prepresent them with a few extra wires here and there. Maybe a pair going from the gun to the power pack ala scions. Give it that over charged look ya know?
That is an option, but would involve buying a set of Hellblasters, and that’s just an expense too far given I’ll have sod all to do with the rest of that kit.
I’d also need to check the rules for the Interemptor Squad. If they have notable perks comparing points, I might just stick some of my sick May Bonus into a squad of 10. Not a big fan of resin, but the odd squad or character can see an exemption being made.
Might be able to scrounge the bitz off a Primaris player in your area? AFAIK Hellblasters come with a ton of variant plasma bitz that you stick onto a common gun casing to build different profiles of gun. Could be an easy conversion to stick some leftovers to regular HH plasmas.
Dual fist. One punchy, one rippy. Because given I choose which profile I’m gonna slap you with, it doesn’t make sense to me to double up the same weapon.
I think I might go for Heavy Flamers, as whilst he’s quite capable of punching the face off MEQ and up, I’d like the extra fiery firepower, along with a Havoc Launcher in case someone tries to bog him down with chaffe.
I won’t necessarily get the shots off, but it’s an extra risk for my opponent, as if they whiff their charge, I should be able to dent units quite nicely. Spesh now the Militia list has been published. Even if the don’t, I can still do some decent Overwatch with those naughty boys.
I’m not favouring longer ranged stuff, as I envisage using him quite aggressively, charging up the board as quickly as possible. Which will involve Running.
Duel flamers is always fun. Will eat militia and suchlike for brekkie, and even against astartes, deal enough hits and you'll knock some off.
Given that he's a melee orientated beastie, don't be quick to overlook the benefits of the grav gun either. Concussive is quite useful if you're about to charge into combat. You might not hit as many dudes as with a flamer template, but the 3" blast still gives you some area of effect.
Working on Storm Eagles recently.
Fixed the rotating thruster where it had gotten glue in the socket during assembly; did the guitar wire core thing like with the land raider ramp.
I managed to find a vent on GW sprues which was the same OD as the peg on the thruster unit bit so it fits beuat - even added the ridges so it kinda 'clicks' into place like a non-fudged part.
On the home stretch with these two, will be glad to finally 'finish' them - been relying on my friends being cool with their condition up to now.
I'm thinking of using Plague Marines in my army, putting them on 40mm bases and playing them as Cataphractii Terminators, with weapons changed to be rules-accurate.
ArcaneHorror wrote: I'm thinking of using Plague Marines in my army, putting them on 40mm bases and playing them as Cataphractii Terminators, with weapons changed to be rules-accurate.
That seems like a really good way to cause confusion. The plague marines aren't THAT much bigger then regular MkIII, nor are they visually distinct enough to make telling at a glance what they are supposed to be.
You MIGHT get away with it if you paint them in a manner that is different enough from the rest of your army, but then you run the risk of breaking visual cohesion with the rest of your marines.
ArcaneHorror wrote: I'm thinking of using Plague Marines in my army, putting them on 40mm bases and playing them as Cataphractii Terminators, with weapons changed to be rules-accurate.
That seems like a really good way to cause confusion. The plague marines aren't THAT much bigger then regular MkIII, nor are they visually distinct enough to make telling at a glance what they are supposed to be.
You MIGHT get away with it if you paint them in a manner that is different enough from the rest of your army, but then you run the risk of breaking visual cohesion with the rest of your marines.
Since my army is going to be mostly MkIV, I think that they should look distinct enough. Also, in terms of visual cohesion, I plan to paint them the say color scheme as the rest of the army, but heavy amounts of corrosion will make them stand out, as well as the weapons loadout.
He's about the same size and scale as the HH model. As is the Emperor's Shield is the only real problem wargear wise but the Lion was a Knight on Caliban and the Primarchs all kept huge stores of personal armouries so it could be reasoned away pretty easy. Not that you need an excuse mind, plastic is easier to work with than resin and the plastic model will be cheaper than the FW model.
lord_blackfang wrote: Don't mind me, just making the busiest Primus Medicae of all time
"Don't purge me, bro!"
Forgive me if I asked this before, but would the arms for chainswords and other melee weapons from the CSM and new Berzerkers kit look good on the MkIV, or wonky compared to the other arm?
Gert wrote: He's about the same size and scale as the HH model. As is the Emperor's Shield is the only real problem wargear wise but the Lion was a Knight on Caliban and the Primarchs all kept huge stores of personal armouries so it could be reasoned away pretty easy. Not that you need an excuse mind, plastic is easier to work with than resin and the plastic model will be cheaper than the FW model.
Good to know - thank you!
And yes, not only do I like the 40K model (and the 30K one too!), but working with plastic is preferable to resin.
Alpharius wrote: Does anyone have any pics of the 40K Lion next to the 30K Lion?
Wondering if 40K Lion would make an OK stand in for 30K games...
I don’t think many would object. Not like he can be mistaken for anything else in your army. And hey, if someone does object, I’d venture if it wasn’t that, they’d just find something else to be a knob about instead.
End of month progress. I still haven't finished my lascannon and volkite culverins heavy support squads, which are currently the only power armor models not completely painted. At least for now. I have a box of MkIV to finish my heavy bolter support, add 2 missile launchers and at least 10 veterans with banestrike bolters (chain bayonets) and chainswords yet to build.
I did finish painting my terminators. Although, I do want to pick up some more Tartaros for some power weapon, power fist and chain fist options. And if I can ever figure a reasonable way to get Justaerin power axes with arm, I would like to get more Catapharctii.
The Leviathan and some of the vehicles are ready or close to ready for a wash, but I want to get another pot to ensure I don't run out part way through.
I might pick up some things here and there, like jet bikes, but my Sons of Horus army is basically done until additional model kits are released.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: I might pick up some things here and there, like jet bikes, but my Sons of Horus army is basically done until additional model kits are released.
Aaaahhhhh. A long weekend this weekend. To be followed by…..a long weekend next weekend.
Cheers, big ears! Literally, as one of them (I neither know nor care which) is courtesy of Charlie Boy’s coronation.
This long weekend will be me building the remaining Rhino and Contemptor. Maybe the last 20 MkVI (seriously considering another Tac Squad, with no bayonets for when I need to scrimp on points).
The other one will hopefully bring stable enough weather I can break out the spray cans and get as much undercoating done as I can before a) I die b) run out of spray c) am abducted by aliens d) Britain’s weather sees a pasty nerd enjoying decent conditions and thinks better of it.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: I might pick up some things here and there, like jet bikes, but my Sons of Horus army is basically done until additional model kits are released.
That's really impressive
It's my 3rd marine army and 4th I've painted. So, I have lots of experience painting marines, and I have more of a craftsman approach to painting that allows me to really churn them out once I figure out how I'm going to paint them. But thank you very much.
I really like the space marine infantry aesthetic and truly enjoy painting them. And maybe I have a screw loose, but I even enjoy marine vs. marine games. Probably the most of any match up. The big reason I started HH was for the marine vs. marine games and easy narrative to why that's happening.
Putting together a Unification era kill team for the Immortal Ninth, Revenant Legion of the wastelands. With bead rivets and curly hair, the crew is pretty much ready for painting.
It's not a difficult project as both this and the free regular contemptor plasma come unmerged, so you can move all the parts around without any special operations
Sherrypie wrote: Putting together a Unification era kill team for the Immortal Ninth, Revenant Legion of the wastelands. With bead rivets and curly hair, the crew is pretty much ready for painting.
Awesome!
meanwhile i am going insane due to scales...
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SirDonlad wrote: Well, i'd like to attend that event, but i don't think i can make it to your attic unfortunately.
hahah, the pleasure of having a table for one self and close friends.
Also am not really one for the big events.
With a possible teaser of a new edition of Epic out in the aether, what better time to be painting some small killer robots and tech-priests 20 mm bases for reference.
Finally finished building my SoH Recon squad. The terrain bits ended up being a bit obtrusive, but will hopefully prevent gun barrels snapping off. And I think having tall bits of rubble sells the idea that these guys are snipers.
Snord wrote: Finally finished building my SoH Recon squad. The terrain bits ended up being a bit obtrusive, but will hopefully prevent gun barrels snapping off. And I think having tall bits of rubble sells the idea that these guys are snipers.
Those are damn good nemesis bolters for a physical conversion
Just a quick project, but I managed to polish off the Exodus for the Alpha Legion. All ready for the Battle of Pluto, though I am not sure that rifle will be of huge use in the tight confines of a space station...
have managed to get a game lined up for next weekend so taken the excuse to sort out some half finished models who have been sitting about for a while
and while not yet totally finished they are at the point they could be used (all that remains is highlighting the shoulder pads and adding decals which will be done during the rest of the week)
this provides my Death Guard with a pair of Apothecaries to add to the two 20 strong tactical squads, a terminator character, who to be fair is unlikely to be used as there is no squad to go with him, a support squad with Alchem flamers which I hope will cause bouts of rage and a seven man strong laser cannon squad.
looking for but not yet found the bag with the cataphractii power axes in
Furthering my inability to stick to a given project, amidst a recruitment drive for my Militia, a new Seraphon force for AoS, the Shattered Legions, and various MESBG forces, I converted up my last five AoD box Cataphractii into Justaerin to go along with my Dark Herald to lead a SoH allied detachment. I've just got a little bit left to do to give them more SoH detail like lodge coins and they'll be ready to paint.
Gert wrote: They're good, not overpowered. You just need to learn how to deal with it.
That or play Iron Warriors because it's funny to kill Dreads with Bolters.
Yeah no, contemptors are basically all the points the leviathan is too expensive too cheap
Spamming them and their wierd profile makes them honestly just horrendously strong and not good for a fun game.
I avoid that , even though i love them looks wise and am very much disapointed that i didn't get myself the full old AL version , it wouldn't be very fun. I may go for the full Talon at some point but right now no .
So don't take an army of Contemptors.
Taking more than one of a unit is not spamming it either, spam is when it starts to become the larger portion of a list.
Gert wrote: So don't take an army of Contemptors. Taking more than one of a unit is not spamming it either, spam is when it starts to become the larger portion of a list.
locally we run 1 /1250-1500 depending upon matchup. This list is about including it 4600 pts. Yes i could add in by that measure 1-2 contemptors. But, i play in about 2000pts increments to 3000.
Gert wrote: So don't take an army of Contemptors.
Taking more than one of a unit is not spamming it either, spam is when it starts to become the larger portion of a list.
agree totally, find locally we have one bod with a pair of them at 750 points, which is a pain however all other players know he will use them, and in general the loadout they will have so we work around it, and he is fine with us working around it.
guess it comes down to the usual "are both players enjoying the game?" if the answer is yes there is no issue, if the answer is no if both work to resolve that there is also no issue
stuck a five figure Cataphractii squad together, using the "Power Axes" that looks remarkably like chain axes for three of them, aim being to keep the points cost reasonably low (only upgrades are the grenade harness and a heavy flamer because DEATH GUARD!!!!!.. ahem..)
have to say, how the shoulder plates fit is terrible and the instructions in the AoD box don't exactly help, I think I've got them right with it sitting over the lower plate.
they will do, if its wrong I'll say the armourer had been smoking the flamer fuel again
leopard wrote: stuck a five figure Cataphractii squad together, using the "Power Axes" that looks remarkably like chain axes for three of them, aim being to keep the points cost reasonably low (only upgrades are the grenade harness and a heavy flamer because DEATH GUARD!!!!!.. ahem..)
have to say, how the shoulder plates fit is terrible and the instructions in the AoD box don't exactly help, I think I've got them right with it sitting over the lower plate.
they will do, if its wrong I'll say the armourer had been smoking the flamer fuel again
you are not alone in that... i have no idea either, but they hold , and look like they should(?)
I got that bit, the instructions had which side is which, just unclear how they mount, e.g. on top of the bit on the lower panel, or hooked over the inside of it nearer the central body - went with on top as that fitted on all and gave the nearest appearance to the pictures for how much they were meant to cover each other
which means its probably wrong obviously
weird, GW instructions are actually normally very clear on such things.
still also worked with the resin upgrades so thats good, now primed, hope to add the basic bone colour later
leopard wrote: weird, GW instructions are actually normally very clear on such things.
Modern GW kits are strange like that. They design most of them really well, with very precise joints and clever ways of dealing with moulding limitations in order to preserve detail. Then they completely drop the ball on one aspect of the kit. The Skorpius is a good example. The launcher looks great, and goes together well - but there is a massive join through the middle of the vents on the back, which is almost impossible to fix.
If it's any consolation, there is no real uniformity to the way people have attached the upper Cataphractii shoulder plates, and once they are painted it doesn't seem to matter much. But judging from the Cataphractii Praetor model, I think there is meant to be a very narrow gap between the inner edge of the shoulder plate and the side of the torso. I tried to make all of mine touching the torso as it means they are more secure.
leopard wrote: weird, GW instructions are actually normally very clear on such things.
Modern GW kits are strange like that. They design most of them really well, with very precise joints and clever ways of dealing with moulding limitations in order to preserve detail. Then they completely drop the ball on one aspect of the kit. The Skorpius is a good example. The launcher looks great, and goes together well - but there is a massive join through the middle of the vents on the back, which is almost impossible to fix.
If it's any consolation, there is no real uniformity to the way people have attached the upper Cataphractii shoulder plates, and once they are painted it doesn't seem to matter much. But judging from the Cataphractii Praetor model, I think there is meant to be a very narrow gap between the inner edge of the shoulder plate and the side of the torso. I tried to make all of mine touching the torso as it means they are more secure.
yes usually a part almost clicks into place and its sort of hard to mess it up though they do have some irritating habits of putting sprue gates on concave surfaces and similar location where its hard to fully remove, and as you note some where a part join is very visible, would hazard a guess they use software to do such and then have a clean up stage manually which is done better for some kits than for others
they have primed and base coated ok eve with the gap, curious bit is one model flat out doesn't have space to fit the upper plate between the arm and body, the arm is raise such that the gap is too small, I can live with the results though, the design of the character version where all of that is one part across the top is much better
Could be worse, could be realising that you need another 60-80 infantrymen to run your 2 mandatory slots efficently enough that your army survives the first enemy shooting phase on the table
meanwhile beyond said realisation above i am now also debating my inner wants of "even more indirect fire with mortars" vs "actually i should have some antitank" for my HWT's.
Anyways: Grens.
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With sniper rifles.
With vox and barebones, to help hit things with my Artillery and protec 2 plasgunners.
And another 10 man batch with vox. Also to babysit some plasgunners. Also the one to the right is highly motivated
Not Online!!! wrote: meanwhile beyond said realisation above i am now also debating my inner wants of "even more indirect fire with mortars" vs "actually i should have some antitank" for my HWT's.
Anyways: Grens.
I like the use of the British helmet and gasmask. I'm not so sure about the green stuff over the faces.
My current prototype Militia Grenadier is a Cadian torso on Death Korps legs, with a Skitarii Vanguard head. Still not sure what the best special weapon upgrade is. I have a WIP field gun battery as well; I really want to give them Thunderblast cannons (surely one of the stupidest weapon names so far), but I think heavy lascannon make the most sense. What is the best weapon for a Militia Sentinel? A multimelta?
lord_blackfang wrote:Are those nuCadians with Bulldog heads?
Meanwhile I seem to have developed a crippling addiction to studs
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I can see why. Yeah, they are bulldog helmets with the cadians, after having found a retailer selling them far cheaper than my LGS i thought they and blooded would make fine better armed units. And they do.
Snord wrote:
I like the use of the British helmet and gasmask. I'm not so sure about the green stuff over the faces.
My current prototype Militia Grenadier is a Cadian torso on Death Korps legs, with a Skitarii Vanguard head. Still not sure what the best special weapon upgrade is. I have a WIP field gun battery as well; I really want to give them Thunderblast cannons (surely one of the stupidest weapon names so far), but I think heavy lascannon make the most sense. What is the best weapon for a Militia Sentinel? A multimelta?
The idea is to have something like this:
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But worse since the force is Nurgle or "Väterchen Rost"* aligned. *(literally "small father rust")
On artillery: Don't do the heavy lascannon. Just don't 65 /60 pts is not worth it for a single shot S10 AP2 weapon on a bs 3 model. If you intend on building them this way, run them as rapiers instead with laser destroyers, because 55 pts a pop and 2 shots twinlinked and AP 1 (only S 9 but AP 1 overcompensates imo massivly) but when you factor in price, relentless, twinlinked, etc. etc. there is no point in the heavy lascannon unless you are for some reason strapped on Heavy support slots, which if you don't intend to run Tank-militia would surprise me.
the main job of Artillery in Militia (and the reason you want a lot of it) is suppression.
The "Fieldgun" (henceforth the thunderblast will only be refered to as fieldgun) is the lesser of the other two options. Mind if it had rending 5+ (like all artillery it's size should realistically have) it'd still be eh, because 3" is bound to only really hit 2 models, you achieve better results frankly with the autocannon and if the autocannon had pinning it'd be the superior option to it. It has S7 fwiw so you can bully rhinos in enemy deployment zones regardless on how the tables turn out to be used and pinning and barrage so it has it's main competitor the HWT with autocannon on the backfoot but only barely. Can however be quite funny if you have nuncio voxes spread around.
TL: DR: It's small blast is a weakness, S7 and AP 4 is good, would be better if it had any form of rending to differentiate it more from the Calliope. Can be used as an universal tool, basically its an autocannon but barrage.
The calliope mortar is the better option. even though it's just 2 WW2 german 15cm Nebelwerfer strapped together. As such 5" template already put it above the fieldgun. Shellshock 1 makes spacemarines on average fail their morale check and get pinned. S5 still wounds all significant to pin targets well enough. Hence the twin 15cm Nebelwerfer being your best friend to reduce incoming fire and keeping your army actually on the field. It directly competes with the HWT Mortar team, and outcompetes them handily, higher range by 12 ", higher S, even ocaisional relevant AP (tbf against other militia the one that get's the first row off charges of wins regardless thanks to the militia archetype)
TL: DR Basically the one thing inbetween your army collapsing due to an enemy shooting phase and you. Should consider atleast 1-2 batteries if only to have more pinning. Sidenote: I think nobody would get mad if you'd run the "fieldgun" look and just used all of them as Calliope.
Alternative take: Skoda 100mm vz 14/19 Howitzer from IBG models in 1:35 makes for a convincing alternative heavier piece that you could run as either to differentiate.
On Grenadiers, it depends but i tend torwards melta (because atm best special), Plasma (atleast i have a chance to hurt marines) or sniper rifles (What, pinning, precision and rending with S5 in one go?) All of them only get better if you use atleast the legacy provenance.
Sentinels are like budget versions of the contemptor with the focus being the budget part...positive, you get 3 of them with the corresponding firepower to a singular contemptor in pts. You get less T, less bs, worse weapons, but 3 more W in one go. Can actually be made ridicoulous with kinfolk (t7) and Augmented (FNP6+), but i think the price for a 75% hitchance MM or 50% lascannon is a bit steep, even if you build your army around them. Also they are still milita and can be sweeped, so you shouldn't necessarily run them too close to the enemy. So my guess is frankly 3 (to have better chances of regrouping) with autocannons or rocket launchers, or singular with MM? But that you can achieve for cheaper with cavalry and a singular melta, ontop of having access to lances. That said, the fact that they are even somewhat comparable to contemptors gives away that they are actually a fairly solid FA slot and heavy weapons plattform. Sadly though GW didn't give them their powerlifter / chainsaw nor hunter killer missiles. Which is odd because the "mechanised" dreadnought light subtype specifically mentions all weapons may be used in a shooting phase and they don't get access to hunter killers (or more than 1 weapon).
But then again the Militia Malcador also doesn't have the "independant gunner rule" that the SA malcador has.
Useful response - thanks. Is this a transcript of a discussion?
I had figured that the Kalliope was the best field artillery choice, but it is the weakest looking version of the model (IMO). Better to have properly copied a Nebelwerfer. The ‘Calliope’ was the WW2 US multi-barrelled rocket launcher, mounted on an M4. I might go with the field gun.
Sounds as though autocannon may be best for the Sentinel. I will see how the Heresy version of the autocannon looks on the model.
Snord wrote: Useful response - thanks. Is this a transcript of a discussion?
I had figured that the Kalliope was the best field artillery choice, but it is the weakest looking version of the model (IMO). Better to have properly copied a Nebelwerfer. The ‘Calliope’ was the WW2 US multi-barrelled rocket launcher, mounted on an M4. I might go with the field gun.
Sounds as though autocannon may be best for the Sentinel. I will see how the Heresy version of the autocannon looks on the model.
no, it's mostly my thoughts on the matter.
Yeah the kalliope looks honestly bad. Albeit i think one could make double the ammount of them and get better looking artillery if one has a bit skill and a plan.
The magazine ones from the marines? could work quite well.
Remember there aren't necessarily models for nah of this. Obviously they correspond to models in the cadian range but you could make whatever you like and just call it a kalliope mortar. Aslong as everything is consistent through the army then go with whatever you want to use. I've got 3 kalliope mortars but I'm using a "heavy mortar" model I've printed from the Gorgon mortar.
painting up Pinky & Perky, a pair of Contemptors for the XIV, slow progress as youngest is about and has nicked my painting lamp to paint some red marines for some game 10,000 years in the future.. pfft
also found some nice looking files for Mk II Seekers, figured my Ender 3 V2 isn't really up to models but thought what the hell, the result..
is actually better than expected, once they have paint (after taking about four hours to print each) and I have my lamp back will take a few pics, they are not resin quality (obviously) but figure they pass the 3' test
And then i will do a sentinel and some cav. And after that... probably another squad of HWT for more or i run my cavalry as dragoons and give them Lascarbines and meltas. Shame is that i only get 1 melta in 5-15 which makes that ehh..
Probably another 2 sentinels with las cannons or multi meltas, but that is a hard sale with regards to points.. but i am at an impassee for Anti-Tank, rapiers being the obvious choice but would cost me unreasonable ammounts. There's also the issue for anti terminator armaments, somehow this list is even more ridicoulously restrictive than SA, which already was overly restrictive in regards to their special weapons..
Slight pause here, working on adapting the cellar to be more usable so have lost my priming area (but hopefully regain my airbrushing area!)
can pretty much run my XIV at 2,000 now, and pondering the next step, likely expanding the Terminators to a unit of ten and maybe finally assembling the Spartans, only two, not 300 of them though
And then i will do a sentinel and some cav. And after that... probably another squad of HWT for more or i run my cavalry as dragoons and give them Lascarbines and meltas. Shame is that i only get 1 melta in 5-15 which makes that ehh..
Probably another 2 sentinels with las cannons or multi meltas, but that is a hard sale with regards to points.. but i am at an impassee for Anti-Tank, rapiers being the obvious choice but would cost me unreasonable ammounts.
There's also the issue for anti terminator armaments, somehow this list is even more ridicoulously restrictive than SA, which already was overly restrictive in regards to their special weapons..
I agree - while the lack of decent weapons is fluffy, it's a bit too restrictive. Like Command Cadres (which have BS4) only having 1 special weapon.
I have now assembled what I need for my Militia Grenadiers - Krieg legs, Cadian body armour and Skitarii Vanguard helmets, plus lots of grenades and gear. But I only have enough bits for 2 squads. They will probably have Rhinos, which will have smaller hatches etc and lots of gear.
I also have a Force Commander cobbled together from similar bits, and wearing that nice Tempestus Scions greatcoat. He'll have a dog but not much gear - he's really just there for looks. I will also do a small unit of Discipline Masters (such a dumb name).
The rest of the infantry will be unmodified Krieg. I will have at least one Recon squad with longlas/sniper rifles, and maybe even a Beastmasters unit (so I can field some Orlock Cyber-mastiffs). The Krieg are really nice models to work with, but the details seem tiny after building Marines. I guess I need better glasses...
I was going to try and convert Rough Riders into something Krieg-like (there's no way I'm buying the resin ones from FW), but I think it'll be too much work for too little result. I did a unit of 6 Ogryn instead - the Boss has a thunder hammer (converted from an Orlock weapon - looks perfect).
In terms of support units, I have done 3 Sentinels armed with Heresy-era autocannon, but these models need an additional 'something' to backdate them some more - maybe round top hatches? I have 3 field artillery pieces so far (I'm going with heavy lascannon, despite the brutal points cost, as I need something to deal with enemy armour).
And there is the Rogal Dorn, which I am converting into a battle-worn Russ 'variant'. If this conversion works, I'll do 1-2 more. At present it has a Vanquisher cannon (justifying the larger turret) and a multi-laser in the hull. If the conversion is a dud, I may get a couple of Russ kits and try to improve them. But that is not something that fills me with any joy.
You could still always run the heavy lascannons as rapiers. Which are the only really reasonable anti tank and terminator weapons in the army.....
I think gw missed on the command squad the 1 special that doesn't scale. I can understand the limits to a degree on militia squads or even grenadiers, but the command squad beeing what it is?
Not Online!!! wrote: You could still always run the heavy lascannons as rapiers. Which are the only really reasonable anti tank and terminator weapons in the army.....
I would really like to include some Rapiers, but again I'm not going to FW for them. I've seen some decent Rapier conversions, mostly using the tracks from the AdMech Breachers, but they are too small. I though of flipping some Taurox track units upside down, but I think they are too small as well. So the search goes on. Hopefully GW is planning to do them in plastic - I think they'd be a popular kit.
I've been cramming stuff in before a trip to WHW and before I finally get into my new job.
Finished off my converted Justaerin, coming close to finishing my Iron Hands bikes, and built a heavy Volkite unit for the Hands as well.
lord_blackfang wrote: Been another productive ban, I'm now 5 assault marines away from 2000 pts of Death Guard built, and I have a game on Saturday.
I swear I'll paint all of this but I'm having too much fun kitbashing right now.
that is one snazy nemisis you got there.
Now i am curious on how'd you make Kraken Boltguns for seekers. Because all i see sofar is either for the older smaller marines on that front or upgrades for MK Vi marines which is fine but seems to be missing kinda the more chonky look / switch mags required for the differing ammo types. Or seekers in general.
Not Online!!! wrote: Now i am curious on how'd you make Kraken Boltguns for seekers. Because all i see sofar is either for the older smaller marines on that front or upgrades for MK Vi marines which is fine but seems to be missing kinda the more chonky look / switch mags required for the differing ammo types. Or seekers in general.
Haven't looked at what they're supposed to be like in the lore, but I know there's double barreled (vertically) Kraken bolters in the Tigris pattern style floating around.
Not Online!!! wrote: Now i am curious on how'd you make Kraken Boltguns for seekers. Because all i see sofar is either for the older smaller marines on that front or upgrades for MK Vi marines which is fine but seems to be missing kinda the more chonky look / switch mags required for the differing ammo types. Or seekers in general.
Haven't looked at what they're supposed to be like in the lore, but I know there's double barreled (vertically) Kraken bolters in the Tigris pattern style floating around.
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Found the original:
Yeah, there's the tigris, which isn't produced anymore, the headhunters have the combibolter version of it.
That said i prefer the pattern of boltgun that comes with the MK VI marines not least of which because i also like the AL headupgrade sprue which i intend to use for distinguisihng my seekers squads. Were i talented enough i'd give it a scope an elongated barrel and a jungle style taped on mag.
Evening all I currently have 6 outriders I am working on but before I utterly commit them to White Scars, if I ran them as Iron Hands, can they swap out the twin linked plasma for a grav gun?
Debating if i should use Intercessor bits to create MK VI Seekers.
I already used an Intercessor boltrifle with and some plastic tubeing to create a vigilator.
For those curious:
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So i am toying around with either:
A. grabbing a single set of intercessors to get the scopes of the stalker and rifle variant to slap on the normal umbra pattern.
B. Buying 2 sets of intercessors and getting the ammount of rifles to equipe 2 full stalker squads.
C. Attempting to design an STL file to either upgrade the umbra pattern in a way i above described or outright creating a file for a Krakenboltgun that tickles my fancy.. (unlikely seeing as my test passes already collapsed due to my incompetence.)
D. Waiting till GW finally get's off it's ass again and stops ruining 40k with bad decisions (cough decimator is now HH legends, despite being M35 and the oldest developped daemonengine that got just legended) and hope for them to deliver us an handcrafted seeker upgrade kit,.
Working on Enforcers... sorry wrong book, "Discipline Masters". After my last 2 matches with my militia i have come to the realisation, that yes, spending the points of a squad on a single mini HQ is worth it, when the squad decides to hold it's ground due to LD 9. Also "instill order" seems to not be removing Armor and FNP save throws.
That leads to a bit of an absurd headcinema on my side going along the way of : "the beatings will continue until morale improves! BUT you get healthcare." Since i expanded my medicae ammount, to 7. Just as i did with my discipline officers.
Have to say that GW took a big step backwards in model quality with HH tanks on the whole, the sculpts is 10/10 but the drive to cut costs by sharing sprues has resulted in fiddly models made of too many pieces with bad join lines, including seams straight down the middle of exposed flat panels, and intentional gaps in the hull in hard to see places like behind the exhauses and gun shield.
The HH vehicle kits are certainly unforgiving. Everything has to be lined up perfectly as you go, or you end up with the gaps that you mention. I have just built 2 more Deimos Rhinos for my Militia, and neither of them is quite right, primarily due to that badly-fitting base plate. I won’t be doing any more Rhino variants. I had less trouble with the Spartan, despite its multi-part hull.
By contrast, the Rogal Dorn, which is a contemporary of the HH kits, goes together very smoothly (and with relatively few pieces). It’s a pleasure to build. They do seem to have accidentally omitted some track teeth on one of the track sections, however.
Racerguy180 wrote: Is that due to it missing a baseplate to begin with???
No, it's irrelevant. I had wondered if that gap would make it more likely that the hull would be misaligned, but it all lined up well. The gap itself is a minor annoyance; I understand why they didn't provide a full hull floor, as the sprues are loaded with bits, but it is a big gap and I think I'll fill it with plastic card.
tweaking some Zone Mortalis terrain built for Necromunda for a HH game on Saturday, currently just experiments with weathering and some rust effect.
need to sort out the oil wash for the rest of it as while Dirty Down Rust is lovely I'm not springing for it to cover a whole ZM board, just a few details
Really lovely kit, and I think it went together a bit better than the regular Sicaran. Thought that could simply be experience with the base kit coming into play.
Just need to build its Sponson Lascannons, because without them a single Weapon Destroyed renders it largely useless. A 10 point tax well spent.
Vroom and CHOOM, melon farmer!
Automatically Appended Next Post: And now nearly finished my Cerberus.
Main gun assembly was fiddlier than expected, but again the finished tank is a solid bit of kit. Nothing feels flimsy or especially prone to breakage.
And now there’s something bugging me about the Venator.
It’s the driver’s window. Or at least what I assume is his window. Well I say window, view port is probably more accurate.
It’s….kinda lame. Lots of decent detail everywhere else, but this is just defined by a rectangle. I’m sure the paint job will help. But it’s just so…flat.
Printed a prototype batch of Cataphractii, did scaling adjustments, set up a batch of 25 for the next print run.
Played my second game today, was a blast, we played War of Lies in the Ambush deployment, with DG getting the drop on EC. Much closer game, probably because there was only 6" of no man's land rather than 24" like last time.
Kratos actually made its points back, killing a Spartan.
Well we are just about a year on from the release of The Age Of Darkness boxed set. In that time I have embraced the Heresy, 173 miniatures painted and just 3 of them loyalist (Garro, Saul Tarvitz and Tylos Rubio). Here is to plenty more. Next up I plan a Kratos for my SoH
It’s the driver’s window. Or at least what I assume is his window. Well I say window, view port is probably more accurate.
It’s….kinda lame. Lots of decent detail everywhere else, but this is just defined by a rectangle. I’m sure the paint job will help. But it’s just so…flat.
You’re right - it looks lame (while the tank itself looks great - I have one too). I suggest you scrounge a more convincing looking vision device from another kit. Some kind of heavy duty, hinged visor would look much better.
It’s the driver’s window. Or at least what I assume is his window. Well I say window, view port is probably more accurate.
It’s….kinda lame. Lots of decent detail everywhere else, but this is just defined by a rectangle. I’m sure the paint job will help. But it’s just so…flat.
Perhaps some sort of lens array would do the trick? Maybe steal some of the workybitz from the various tank drivers. I think some of them had nice, fancy looking scopes/lenses.
There's already a lens array positioned higher up on the glacis, so I think a direct-vision device would be better. The Rogal Dorn has some nice big vision ports, which are available as separate bits from ebay (below is an example from a Canadian supplier).
I managed to snag some insane deals on eBay earlier in the month that netted me around 100 2nd Ed Tacticals and a variety of other Marine models. I've managed to make a Missile Heavy squad, a Flamer Support squad, and a Rotor Cannon Support squad so far all of which are getting shunted into my Shattered Legions Salamanders.
I also used a few models to make a Culverin Heavy squad for the Iron Hands.
It’s the driver’s window. Or at least what I assume is his window. Well I say window, view port is probably more accurate.
It’s….kinda lame. Lots of decent detail everywhere else, but this is just defined by a rectangle. I’m sure the paint job will help. But it’s just so…flat.
Just thinking aloud out here — You reckon a Castaferrum vision slit, razor sawed off from the front plate in 90 degree angles could fit?
Cats from my starter box. Tried to keep them as plastic as possible, but couldn't resist faction shoulder pads. Apart from that there's a just one cheeky combi-grenade launcher.
Not Online!!! wrote: ? i got about 2500 +- ready, a lot of it already built, recycled an old project.
3 things that really help, Discipline masters, believe me you are going to need them.
Artillery, field ordnance and of course brutes.
I agree, but don't want to spend the time and money on all the converting necessary to field enough support units. Just 2 squads of Grenadiers with Rhinos is a huge amount of work (although I'm really enjoying doing them). I will fill out the points with Ogryns (as Line) and maybe a Baneblade.
I only have 2 Discipline Masters so far, and they're allocated to the Ogryns.
printed a pair of Deimos Rhino, one as a kit and one digitally glued together, the hatches etc printing now. neither print is perfect (support issues I think), but both in ways a bit of weathering will hit or look like actual battle damage so happy with it
I've been having a bad time with individual hatches curling, I think I'll print them merged from now on
Family photo of all the termies I've done in the last week. Doing my best to not cheese out on the weapon loadouts as the local HH group has turned out to be very casual.
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A few days break now, then probably printing moar tanks
I’m making proper progress with my Militia, now that I have acquired the necessary bits. Here are my Discipline Masters (both based on the same Baneblade crew figure), together with my WIP Commander (who is a combination of Scion and Cadian bits).
And here are my 2 Militia Rhinos. Unlike my Marine Rhinos, they are battle-damaged and covered in untidy stowage (as befits vehicles used by 3rd-rate troops).
Not Online!!! wrote: ? i got about 2500 +- ready, a lot of it already built, recycled an old project.
3 things that really help, Discipline masters, believe me you are going to need them.
Artillery, field ordnance and of course brutes.
I agree, but don't want to spend the time and money on all the converting necessary to field enough support units. Just 2 squads of Grenadiers with Rhinos is a huge amount of work (although I'm really enjoying doing them). I will fill out the points with Ogryns (as Line) and maybe a Baneblade.
I only have 2 Discipline Masters so far, and they're allocated to the Ogryns.
Snord wrote:And here are my 2 Militia Rhinos. Unlike my Marine Rhinos, they are battle-damaged and covered in untidy stowage (as befits vehicles used by 3rd-rate troops).
Looks very promising
ogryns i honestly think will be an amazing unit, in general, shame about the restrictive power weapons availability on them though.
Converting a 5er Recon Squad by kitbashing lots of plastic kits. Legs and torsos from the Mk.VI Marines, army and Astartes Shotguns from the current BT not-Scouts, pauldrons and heads from the Primaris not-Scouts and all the grenades and pouches I can find a place for. Backpacks are as of yet not built, but I have some ideas.
Been a while since I made any progress on my 1st Legion, but i've got my printer set back up (although I think it'll be temporary) and a new bottle of resin, so all systems are go!
So far I've printed off enough parts for a 10 man support squad with Plasma Repeaters, 2 Apothecaries and some old skool bolters to go with my MkII marines.
Not a bad couple of prints actually. I've been messing around more with doing my own angling and supports, rather then just using the Lychee "magic" button, which is fine for the most part, but I found was resulting in more layer lines then I would have liked. There's something satisfying about cramming as much stuff onto a plate as you can and having it all come out well.
The top right corner is all the misprints, not too bad considering my failure rate with the bottle of translucent green resin I had, which was much higher. Just a few things needing reprinting.
Just need to get them primed and I can start on them with the airbrush.
I also printed some Rogue Trader styled flamers to use as alchem flamers and wouldn't you know it, same day as I pulled them off the build plate someone uploads bespoke alchem flamer sculpts
I always check out your photos of printed models, as you seem to get a very good quality finish and some nice details. I have to say in this case I'm not a fan of these heads. They look kind of bland, and the facial hair doesn't really work for me. Maybe the photo doesn't do them justice.
It doesn't, but I also intentionally picked the 6-7 blandest sculpts from a set of 25 because these are Inductii, the fresh recruits. The set also has heads with scars, bionic eyes, full heads of hair, etc
Q: you print in parts, is this significantly better than combining in say Blender and printing in one go?
have done mine in one go (I think I'll split the bases off in future though for easier supports), combining sees way easier digitally when it comes to "this will fit" but wondering on pro/con?
as in from someone who actually knows what they are doing
leopard wrote: have a bunch of Mk6 breachers with primer drying
Q: you print in parts, is this significantly better than combining in say Blender and printing in one go?
have done mine in one go (I think I'll split the bases off in future though for easier supports), combining sees way easier digitally when it comes to "this will fit" but wondering on pro/con?
as in from someone who actually knows what they are doing
You gotta find your personal sweet spot. More parts means easier supporting and higher fidelity (and more variety in posing) but man oh man is cleaning a bunch of tiny bits tedious.
This is how I split mine
And I would maybe consider merging the backpack with the torso
To chime in on that, I find assembly in blender/lychee preferable to printing in parts. But it does mean that you are literally assembling your models as a one-and-done so if you aren't 100% sure or how you want the squad to look before you start then it's going to be a pain. Also means more time spent at the computer than at your hobby desk as you'll be building every unit in 3d which is just as time consuming (although less messy) than physically assembling them, and does mean you'll lose that building activity which for a lot of people is an essential part of the hobby. Does mean you don't have to mess about with files, knives and greenstuff with the cleanup and drying time entails, which is a big bonus in my book.
Recently remembered that I have nearly a dozen unbuilt plastic Castra Ferrum dreads left over from my crippling 40k addiction and I do love the good old boxnaut
So I've been tinkering with some HH era weapons and I'll start with a full talon of oops all missiles for the Death Guard, then something outrageously bad like double Flamestorms on an Ironclad
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