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Locally we said max 1 per 1000 pts.

 Gert wrote:
So don't take an army of Contemptors.
Taking more than one of a unit is not spamming it either, spam is when it starts to become the larger portion of a list.

locally we run 1 /1250-1500 depending upon matchup. This list is about including it 4600 pts. Yes i could add in by that measure 1-2 contemptors. But, i play in about 2000pts increments to 3000.

 Gert wrote:
So don't take an army of Contemptors.
Taking more than one of a unit is not spamming it either, spam is when it starts to become the larger portion of a list.

agree totally, find locally we have one bod with a pair of them at 750 points, which is a pain however all other players know he will use them, and in general the loadout they will have so we work around it, and he is fine with us working around it.

guess it comes down to the usual "are both players enjoying the game?" if the answer is yes there is no issue, if the answer is no if both work to resolve that there is also no issue

have two here, both as yet unbuilt

I quite like the look of the things though

I think of all plastic kits for HH it is one of the best ones, no debate about it.

stuck a five figure Cataphractii squad together, using the "Power Axes" that looks remarkably like chain axes for three of them, aim being to keep the points cost reasonably low (only upgrades are the grenade harness and a heavy flamer because DEATH GUARD!!!!!.. ahem..)

have to say, how the shoulder plates fit is terrible and the instructions in the AoD box don't exactly help, I think I've got them right with it sitting over the lower plate.

they will do, if its wrong I'll say the armourer had been smoking the flamer fuel again

leopard wrote:
stuck a five figure Cataphractii squad together, using the "Power Axes" that looks remarkably like chain axes for three of them, aim being to keep the points cost reasonably low (only upgrades are the grenade harness and a heavy flamer because DEATH GUARD!!!!!.. ahem..)

have to say, how the shoulder plates fit is terrible and the instructions in the AoD box don't exactly help, I think I've got them right with it sitting over the lower plate.

they will do, if its wrong I'll say the armourer had been smoking the flamer fuel again

you are not alone in that... i have no idea either, but they hold , and look like they should(?)

The curved side goes at the front.

 Gert wrote:
The curved side goes at the front.

I got that bit, the instructions had which side is which, just unclear how they mount, e.g. on top of the bit on the lower panel, or hooked over the inside of it nearer the central body - went with on top as that fitted on all and gave the nearest appearance to the pictures for how much they were meant to cover each other

which means its probably wrong obviously

weird, GW instructions are actually normally very clear on such things.

still also worked with the resin upgrades so thats good, now primed, hope to add the basic bone colour later

Yeah, the upper plate is supposed to be close to the body.

Finally worked up the energy to tackle the last stages of post-processing on a bunch of recent, er, authentic Forgeworld deliveries.

Then I ran out of glue so all I have to show for it is one sick tank bro



Got another Arcus and two vanilla in pieces.

Low key hoping for my first game this week or next, albeit it will be entirely unpainted.

 Gert wrote:
Yeah, the upper plate is supposed to be close to the body.

Its a stupid game anyway

*kicks cat*

leopard wrote:
weird, GW instructions are actually normally very clear on such things.

Modern GW kits are strange like that. They design most of them really well, with very precise joints and clever ways of dealing with moulding limitations in order to preserve detail. Then they completely drop the ball on one aspect of the kit. The Skorpius is a good example. The launcher looks great, and goes together well - but there is a massive join through the middle of the vents on the back, which is almost impossible to fix.

If it's any consolation, there is no real uniformity to the way people have attached the upper Cataphractii shoulder plates, and once they are painted it doesn't seem to matter much. But judging from the Cataphractii Praetor model, I think there is meant to be a very narrow gap between the inner edge of the shoulder plate and the side of the torso. I tried to make all of mine touching the torso as it means they are more secure.

leopard wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Yeah, the upper plate is supposed to be close to the body.

Its a stupid game anyway

*kicks cat*

Leave the cat alone.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

leopard wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Yeah, the upper plate is supposed to be close to the body.

Its a stupid game anyway

*kicks cat*

Leave the cat alone.

the cat can move faster than me and has multiple ways of extracting revenge


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 Snord wrote:

leopard wrote:
weird, GW instructions are actually normally very clear on such things.

Modern GW kits are strange like that. They design most of them really well, with very precise joints and clever ways of dealing with moulding limitations in order to preserve detail. Then they completely drop the ball on one aspect of the kit. The Skorpius is a good example. The launcher looks great, and goes together well - but there is a massive join through the middle of the vents on the back, which is almost impossible to fix.

If it's any consolation, there is no real uniformity to the way people have attached the upper Cataphractii shoulder plates, and once they are painted it doesn't seem to matter much. But judging from the Cataphractii Praetor model, I think there is meant to be a very narrow gap between the inner edge of the shoulder plate and the side of the torso. I tried to make all of mine touching the torso as it means they are more secure.

yes usually a part almost clicks into place and its sort of hard to mess it up though they do have some irritating habits of putting sprue gates on concave surfaces and similar location where its hard to fully remove, and as you note some where a part join is very visible, would hazard a guess they use software to do such and then have a clean up stage manually which is done better for some kits than for others


they have primed and base coated ok eve with the gap, curious bit is one model flat out doesn't have space to fit the upper plate between the arm and body, the arm is raise such that the gap is too small, I can live with the results though, the design of the character version where all of that is one part across the top is much better

Got a starting squad of DG Destroyers with dual alchem hand flamers together

Another weekend. And nothing more done.

I need to break out of this funk.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Another weekend. And nothing more done.

I need to break out of this funk.

Could be worse, could be realising that you need another 60-80 infantrymen to run your 2 mandatory slots efficently enough that your army survives the first enemy shooting phase on the table


meanwhile beyond said realisation above i am now also debating my inner wants of "even more indirect fire with mortars" vs "actually i should have some antitank" for my HWT's.

Anyways: Grens.

Are those nuCadians with Bulldog heads?

Meanwhile I seem to have developed a crippling addiction to studs

Not Online!!! wrote:
meanwhile beyond said realisation above i am now also debating my inner wants of "even more indirect fire with mortars" vs "actually i should have some antitank" for my HWT's.

Anyways: Grens.

I like the use of the British helmet and gasmask. I'm not so sure about the green stuff over the faces.

My current prototype Militia Grenadier is a Cadian torso on Death Korps legs, with a Skitarii Vanguard head. Still not sure what the best special weapon upgrade is. I have a WIP field gun battery as well; I really want to give them Thunderblast cannons (surely one of the stupidest weapon names so far), but I think heavy lascannon make the most sense. What is the best weapon for a Militia Sentinel? A multimelta?

lord_blackfang wrote:Are those nuCadians with Bulldog heads?

Meanwhile I seem to have developed a crippling addiction to studs

Spoiler:

I can see why. Yeah, they are bulldog helmets with the cadians, after having found a retailer selling them far cheaper than my LGS i thought they and blooded would make fine better armed units. And they do.

Snord wrote:

I like the use of the British helmet and gasmask. I'm not so sure about the green stuff over the faces.

My current prototype Militia Grenadier is a Cadian torso on Death Korps legs, with a Skitarii Vanguard head. Still not sure what the best special weapon upgrade is. I have a WIP field gun battery as well; I really want to give them Thunderblast cannons (surely one of the stupidest weapon names so far), but I think heavy lascannon make the most sense. What is the best weapon for a Militia Sentinel? A multimelta?

The idea is to have something like this:


But worse since the force is Nurgle or "Väterchen Rost"* aligned. *(literally "small father rust")


On artillery: Don't do the heavy lascannon. Just don't 65 /60 pts is not worth it for a single shot S10 AP2 weapon on a bs 3 model. If you intend on building them this way, run them as rapiers instead with laser destroyers, because 55 pts a pop and 2 shots twinlinked and AP 1 (only S 9 but AP 1 overcompensates imo massivly) but when you factor in price, relentless, twinlinked, etc. etc. there is no point in the heavy lascannon unless you are for some reason strapped on Heavy support slots, which if you don't intend to run Tank-militia would surprise me.

the main job of Artillery in Militia (and the reason you want a lot of it) is suppression.

The "Fieldgun" (henceforth the thunderblast will only be refered to as fieldgun) is the lesser of the other two options. Mind if it had rending 5+ (like all artillery it's size should realistically have) it'd still be eh, because 3" is bound to only really hit 2 models, you achieve better results frankly with the autocannon and if the autocannon had pinning it'd be the superior option to it. It has S7 fwiw so you can bully rhinos in enemy deployment zones regardless on how the tables turn out to be used and pinning and barrage so it has it's main competitor the HWT with autocannon on the backfoot but only barely. Can however be quite funny if you have nuncio voxes spread around.

TL: DR: It's small blast is a weakness, S7 and AP 4 is good, would be better if it had any form of rending to differentiate it more from the Calliope. Can be used as an universal tool, basically its an autocannon but barrage.

The calliope mortar is the better option. even though it's just 2 WW2 german 15cm Nebelwerfer strapped together. As such 5" template already put it above the fieldgun. Shellshock 1 makes spacemarines on average fail their morale check and get pinned. S5 still wounds all significant to pin targets well enough. Hence the twin 15cm Nebelwerfer being your best friend to reduce incoming fire and keeping your army actually on the field. It directly competes with the HWT Mortar team, and outcompetes them handily, higher range by 12 ", higher S, even ocaisional relevant AP (tbf against other militia the one that get's the first row off charges of wins regardless thanks to the militia archetype)

TL: DR Basically the one thing inbetween your army collapsing due to an enemy shooting phase and you. Should consider atleast 1-2 batteries if only to have more pinning. Sidenote: I think nobody would get mad if you'd run the "fieldgun" look and just used all of them as Calliope.
Alternative take: Skoda 100mm vz 14/19 Howitzer from IBG models in 1:35 makes for a convincing alternative heavier piece that you could run as either to differentiate.

On Grenadiers, it depends but i tend torwards melta (because atm best special), Plasma (atleast i have a chance to hurt marines) or sniper rifles (What, pinning, precision and rending with S5 in one go?) All of them only get better if you use atleast the legacy provenance.

Sentinels are like budget versions of the contemptor with the focus being the budget part...positive, you get 3 of them with the corresponding firepower to a singular contemptor in pts. You get less T, less bs, worse weapons, but 3 more W in one go. Can actually be made ridicoulous with kinfolk (t7) and Augmented (FNP6+), but i think the price for a 75% hitchance MM or 50% lascannon is a bit steep, even if you build your army around them. Also they are still milita and can be sweeped, so you shouldn't necessarily run them too close to the enemy. So my guess is frankly 3 (to have better chances of regrouping) with autocannons or rocket launchers, or singular with MM? But that you can achieve for cheaper with cavalry and a singular melta, ontop of having access to lances. That said, the fact that they are even somewhat comparable to contemptors gives away that they are actually a fairly solid FA slot and heavy weapons plattform. Sadly though GW didn't give them their powerlifter / chainsaw nor hunter killer missiles. Which is odd because the "mechanised" dreadnought light subtype specifically mentions all weapons may be used in a shooting phase and they don't get access to hunter killers (or more than 1 weapon).

But then again the Militia Malcador also doesn't have the "independant gunner rule" that the SA malcador has.

Useful response - thanks. Is this a transcript of a discussion?

I had figured that the Kalliope was the best field artillery choice, but it is the weakest looking version of the model (IMO). Better to have properly copied a Nebelwerfer. The ‘Calliope’ was the WW2 US multi-barrelled rocket launcher, mounted on an M4. I might go with the field gun.

Sounds as though autocannon may be best for the Sentinel. I will see how the Heresy version of the autocannon looks on the model.

 Snord wrote:
Useful response - thanks. Is this a transcript of a discussion?

I had figured that the Kalliope was the best field artillery choice, but it is the weakest looking version of the model (IMO). Better to have properly copied a Nebelwerfer. The ‘Calliope’ was the WW2 US multi-barrelled rocket launcher, mounted on an M4. I might go with the field gun.

Sounds as though autocannon may be best for the Sentinel. I will see how the Heresy version of the autocannon looks on the model.

no, it's mostly my thoughts on the matter.

Yeah the kalliope looks honestly bad. Albeit i think one could make double the ammount of them and get better looking artillery if one has a bit skill and a plan.

The magazine ones from the marines? could work quite well.

Remember there aren't necessarily models for nah of this. Obviously they correspond to models in the cadian range but you could make whatever you like and just call it a kalliope mortar. Aslong as everything is consistent through the army then go with whatever you want to use. I've got 3 kalliope mortars but I'm using a "heavy mortar" model I've printed from the Gorgon mortar.

Bought new glue!

Mk2 Recon



Mk3 missilebros



Mk3 lasbros

painting up Pinky & Perky, a pair of Contemptors for the XIV, slow progress as youngest is about and has nicked my painting lamp to paint some red marines for some game 10,000 years in the future.. pfft

also found some nice looking files for Mk II Seekers, figured my Ender 3 V2 isn't really up to models but thought what the hell, the result..

is actually better than expected, once they have paint (after taking about four hours to print each) and I have my lamp back will take a few pics, they are not resin quality (obviously) but figure they pass the 3' test

Well. I did my first 1000pts with militia and am now sorting sprue and building the last of my Artillery and cav and the sentinel...

Pinky & Perky are now more or less table ready



a few markings and a bit of varnish here and there needed then they can go hunting

The Revenants are starting to get a few licks of paint on them:



The scheme as it stands is a bit on the Space Wolf side, but we'll see how that develops as details get added.

Very fancy Sherry.

Me, i did some artillery.

And then i will do a sentinel and some cav. And after that... probably another squad of HWT for more or i run my cavalry as dragoons and give them Lascarbines and meltas. Shame is that i only get 1 melta in 5-15 which makes that ehh..

Probably another 2 sentinels with las cannons or multi meltas, but that is a hard sale with regards to points.. but i am at an impassee for Anti-Tank, rapiers being the obvious choice but would cost me unreasonable ammounts.
There's also the issue for anti terminator armaments, somehow this list is even more ridicoulously restrictive than SA, which already was overly restrictive in regards to their special weapons..

Slight pause here, working on adapting the cellar to be more usable so have lost my priming area (but hopefully regain my airbrushing area!)

can pretty much run my XIV at 2,000 now, and pondering the next step, likely expanding the Terminators to a unit of ten and maybe finally assembling the Spartans, only two, not 300 of them though