TERRRRRRRRAAAAAAIIIIIIIIINNNNNNN!!!!!!!!

Those Striking Scorpions are awesome. Must have!

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
The scouts are all but confirmed to be part of the kill team.

You mean other than being shown off in advance of the KT reveal, shown as a 40k item, etc?

VINDICATION

It's still stupid.

And it's even dumber that it's Raven Guard as the punching bags. Should be Ultramarines or Fists.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I don't know what to think of that new Mechanicus unit. I kinda like it and like individual aspects of it, but combined it just feels a bit too busy.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Sydonian Skatros is cool, but unless its based on a piece of artwork I wasn't ware of, GW is totally ripping off a number of independent creators with that design.

Such as?

This is the first of several that come to mind:

TEN scorpions in a box?

Very nice Striking Scorpions but not much in terms of options for Kill Team.

Those Striking Scorpions are the same 5 bodies doubled up with different arms/heads but they still look quite samey


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Good one on the Striking Scorpions !

 Matrindur wrote:
Those are 5 same bodies doubled up with different arms/heads but they still look quite samey


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They say the box makes two squads of five, so the box comes with ten dudes!

SHOW THE TERRAIN!!!!!!!!

 Kanluwen wrote:
And it's even dumber that it's Raven Guard as the punching bags. Should be Ultramarines or Fists.

I love that you're mad that your precious Raven Guard are the focus of the box.

Eh, look repetetive lower halves on the scorpions. Marines are marines.

Kill team is mixed aspect, but with bonuses for going pure aspect (and perhaps a bonus for mixing too)

So anyone who was worried for Scorpions to be unfluffy can calm down.

God forbid the Chapter known for infiltration missions be used as the example Chapter for the unit meant for infiltration missions.

Interesting what they're saying thay you can add in a lot of different aspect minis.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Those are 5 same bodies doubled up with different arms/heads but they still look quite samey

They say the box makes two squads of five, so the box comes with ten dudes!

Just to clarify this was meant for the Scorpions not the Scouts

Holy tactical rocks Scorpionman!

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I don't know what to think of that new Mechanicus unit. I kinda like it and like individual aspects of it, but combined it just feels a bit too busy.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Sydonian Skatros is cool, but unless its based on a piece of artwork I wasn't ware of, GW is totally ripping off a number of independent creators with that design.

Such as?

This is the first of several that come to mind:

The only similarity is it has stilts. That's a very low bar if you consider enough to say they're "Ripping of" other creators. No one owns the concept.

 Gert wrote:
God forbid the Chapter known for infiltration missions be used as the example Chapter for the unit meant for infiltration missions.

You'd have a point if it weren't going to be the inevitable "they're skilled, but they're outskilled entirely!" plot hook they used for Damocles as well.

Raven Guard get used as punching bags for these boxes.

Separate terrain box? Nice. I like that

The scorpions are lovely models. Not anything I'd ever want to collect, but I like how they seem to finally have a great balance of not being overly designed.

They feel like proper modern versions of a 90s model. Even the tactical rocks are more subtitle.

I see they are splitting the kill team sets like warcry now, which means a huge increase in cost to get new sets.

That terrain box will be good for necromunda as well though.

Seperate terrain box:

bit disappointing that those walkways dont look like they are compatible with the existing sector mechanicus sets

New terrain looks great!

Finally showed the new Pegasus

Nice hopefully the new foot Knight heads fit on the old Knights

Foot knights also

Lovely new Bretonnians. Good to see a full range.

Pegasus is beautiful!

I like that they joke that the pegasus was leaked

Really like the look of those foot knights.

Those foot knights are amazing! My favourites so far.

Im liking the foot knights. Wonder if they are a core choice so I don't need to build an army around 20 year old models to include them.

 DaveC wrote:
Nice hopefully the new foot Knight heads fit on the old Knights

Confirmed!

And yes the foot knights plastic, compatible with mounted

Seems like only those two are new units with the rest being old ones

Frog drummer is back. I guess we'll get the peasant's snail model back too

Men at Arms and Peasant Bowmen kits have actually aged pretty well.

Pegasus Knights and the Knights on horses not so much.

chaos0xomega wrote:
bit disappointing that those walkways dont look like they are compatible with the existing sector mechanicus sets

I assumed they were half sized ones, presumably scaled to the reactor or the necromunda terrain

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Nice hopefully the new foot Knight heads fit on the old Knights

Confirmed!

Great glad they thought to make them compatible, new heads should improve the look of the old knights

The ancient stuff is going to look so damn out of place against the new.

Oh thank god. I was afraid all the old metal would be FW resined. But some will be metal

 Tastyfish wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
bit disappointing that those walkways dont look like they are compatible with the existing sector mechanicus sets

I assumed they were half sized ones, presumably scaled to the reactor or the necromunda terrain

I assumed the big drum (reactor?) was the existing sector mechanicus kit. The walkways look like they are 2/3rds height by comparison.

This one is resin

Handmaiden is really good, shame that it is resin.

At least FW resin is vastly superior to Finecast!

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The ancient stuff is going to look so damn out of place against the new.

True but then again all the other GW games can survive like this. In theory I expect if it does well enough in sales we'll see more updates to older models. Only one that makes me sad is not seeing totally brand new knights on horseback

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
bit disappointing that those walkways dont look like they are compatible with the existing sector mechanicus sets

I assumed they were half sized ones, presumably scaled to the reactor or the necromunda terrain

I assumed the big drum (reactor?) was the existing sector mechanicus kit. The walkways look like they are 2/3rds height by comparison.

Are the walkways height matched to the plasma reactors?

Tactical flower!

Old World 2024

Tow confirmed early 2024

The two new plastic kits are nice but really not enough for me

Early 2024 confirmed release then eh

 GaroRobe wrote:
Oh thank god. I was afraid all the old metal would be FW resined. But some will be metal

Where did they say that, I thought all these were chaning to Forge World resin - like the trebuchet

If they re-release Azhag the Slaughter, but make him FW resin, I may cry

No ghouls is a crime!

 sarduka42 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Oh thank god. I was afraid all the old metal would be FW resined. But some will be metal

Where did they say that, I thought all these were chaning to Forge World resin - like the trebuchet

Just after that. They said some models would be metal, but others will be retooled FW resin

TOW news are good news. Bretonnian launch wave looks great, and we got some actual release time info! If anything, this will shut up a certain troll...

 sarduka42 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Oh thank god. I was afraid all the old metal would be FW resined. But some will be metal

Where did they say that, I thought all these were chaning to Forge World resin - like the trebuchet

Yeah, that's what I heard, that old metals would be returning, in Forge World resin

 sarduka42 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Oh thank god. I was afraid all the old metal would be FW resined. But some will be metal

Where did they say that, I thought all these were chaning to Forge World resin - like the trebuchet

They literally just said it on stream.

The gist is that some of the more weighty kits are being reworked to be FW resin, while others will remain metal.

Eddie should see a skin doctor for that thing on his neck if he hasn't already.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
No ghouls is a crime!

This one had the same weird pacing as all their shows have had since Adam stopped being a presenter. They blitz through stuff they should spend time on("more necron models are coming!") and then spend forever waffling over things at the end.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

 sarduka42 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Oh thank god. I was afraid all the old metal would be FW resined. But some will be metal

Where did they say that, I thought all these were chaning to Forge World resin - like the trebuchet

Yeah, that's what I heard, that old metals would be returning, in Forge World resin

"Alongside this (trebuchet), you'll see a lot of returning metal kits and for some of the other armies, some metal will be retooled into fw resin"

Well for 40th Anniversary, that felt somewhat underwhelming.

 Olthannon wrote:
Early 2024 confirmed release then eh

It's a ruse! It's really late 2025!

 sarduka42 wrote:
Well for 40th Anniversary, that felt somewhat underwhelming.

Never forget: GW previews are like regular previews, but in slow motion. The second half is in a month.

Well, FEC's pretty much guaranteed for Nov preview then.

I love that new plastic pegasus champion kit, hopefully thats the sort of thing we will see more of going forward rather than more resin.

Best thing about it is that if you buy a couple of make some of the various versions, you will get left with that massive banner. That + the foot knight kit will make a nice battle standard, and I suspect it won't cost more than the resin one would anyway!

I hate resin models from GW/Forgeworld, so I'll mostly stick to new plastics and 2nd hand metals. I can bring myself to buy a single resin model for each force though, so I'll be careful in picking which one. Happy to go back to converting everything else from the new plastics.

Looks like I might as well skip over buying any battleforces this christmas, save that hobby cash for this release instead.

Lovely to see Valrak was right about the Scorpions, why on earth do they all have tactical rocks though... that's going to be extra work after the first box so they don't all look silly.

Also noticed (and I know this was debated a few weeks ago) the men at arms and bowmen are both depicted in units of 18. IIRC they were on sprues of 4 or 8 (previously sold in boxes of 16). This lends credence to the idea that whatever the contents of the launch box are includes 36 of each.

Xirix wrote:
Lovely to see Valrak was right about the Scorpions, why on earth do they all have tactical rocks though... that's going to be extra work after the first box so they don't all look silly.

Its the Witch Elf curse, but even stupider. At least Witch Elves were all meant to be leaping off something.

Also, do the scorpions get their own mini statue like the other aspects?

Well I wasn’t expecting to be purchasing any Mechanicus models any time soon, but I really like the tall boys.

Ionus Cryptborn is just a great display mini. I suspect a lot of people will be picking up that Dawnbringers box just to paint him.

The Dragon looks great, you just need to replace the Space Marine Chaplain with a Bretonnian Duke.

Xirix wrote:
Lovely to see Valrak was right about the Scorpions, why on earth do they all have tactical rocks though...

Need some excuse to increase the base size, a wide stance with one foot perched on a rock is a good way to make them fill the entire base.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Also noticed (and I know this was debated a few weeks ago) the men at arms and bowmen are both depicted in units of 18. IIRC they were on sprues of 4 or 8 (previously sold in boxes of 16). This lends credence to the idea that whatever the contents of the launch box are includes 36 of each.

"With the Peasant Bowmen box, you’ll be able to build a unit of 32 archers, complete with a command group and Defensive Stakes."

 Matrindur wrote:
This one is resin

Head swap to get rid of that awful flat face and we've got a nice Ghyran mage

jullevi wrote:
The Dragon looks great, you just need to replace the Space Marine Chaplain with a Bretonnian Duke.

What are you talking about? That model is clearly a Salamander Chaplain on "Bike".

What's left for the eldar to get updated?

Some phoenix lords, swooping hawks, fire dragons, and some vehicles?

Xirix wrote:
Lovely to see Valrak was right about the Scorpions, why on earth do they all have tactical rocks though... that's going to be extra work after the first box so they don't all look silly.

Probably because they were intended to be released elsewhere, and they instead just threw them in here.


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 GaroRobe wrote:
What's left for the eldar to get updated?

Some phoenix lords, swooping hawks, fire dragons, and some vehicles?

Warp Spiders, Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons, Phoenix Lords, and some characters.

 GaroRobe wrote:
What's left for the eldar to get updated?

Some phoenix lords, swooping hawks, fire dragons, and some vehicles?

I would be expecting exactly this for the next codex, plus something actually new.

Nice day with plenty of minis for everyone. The dragon is a must have!

Hightlight of the day was... Got the new Votann

Santtu wrote:

Xirix wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Also noticed (and I know this was debated a few weeks ago) the men at arms and bowmen are both depicted in units of 18. IIRC they were on sprues of 4 or 8 (previously sold in boxes of 16). This lends credence to the idea that whatever the contents of the launch box are includes 36 of each.

"With the Peasant Bowmen box, you’ll be able to build a unit of 32 archers, complete with a command group and Defensive Stakes."

Holy molely! So it sounds like they will be double-stuffing the boxes

 Kanluwen wrote:

Xirix wrote:
Lovely to see Valrak was right about the Scorpions, why on earth do they all have tactical rocks though... that's going to be extra work after the first box so they don't all look silly.

Probably because they were intended to be released elsewhere, and they instead just threw them in here.


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 GaroRobe wrote:
What's left for the eldar to get updated?

Some phoenix lords, swooping hawks, fire dragons, and some vehicles?

Warp Spiders, Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons, Phoenix Lords, and some characters.

On that note, was there any mention of kill team upgrade sprues for the scorpions or the scouts? I wonder if they are also a casualty of the change to a smaller format box ala the latest warcry release.

chaos0xomega wrote:
On that note, was there any mention of kill team upgrade sprues for the scorpions or the scouts? I wonder if they are also a casualty of the change to a smaller format box ala the latest warcry release.

They did mention that the Scorpions would have very little in the way of individuality, so I'd take that to mean no specialists - getting to use other Aspects would fulfil that purpose.

That Stormcast dragon is so good. I’ve been tempted by the drakes before and this really isn’t helping.

chaos0xomega wrote:


On that note, was there any mention of kill team upgrade sprues for the scorpions or the scouts? I wonder if they are also a casualty of the change to a smaller format box ala the latest warcry release.

Scouts we had already seen all the gizmos via the Codex reviews. Heck, the bit where they showed off the "specialist" bits? That was from the Nova reveal article!

That's a big part of why I felt so sure that Valrak was wrong.

It looks like the Striking Scorpions are intended to be used similar to the Phobos KT, where you're expected to mix/match units to make it "feel" like a KT.

I like the KT releases splitting out the terrain like the most recent Warcry box, but I assume that makes it more expensive overall for people who wanted everything.

There's also zero percent chance that any new metal models are coming for TOW, that's a very wishful interpretation of that (admittedly) somewhat poorly worded statement.
TOW continues to fee like a Very Real Game that is going to release and make sense and have a player base.

 Darnok wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
What's left for the eldar to get updated?

Some phoenix lords, swooping hawks, fire dragons, and some vehicles?

I would be expecting exactly this for the next codex, plus something actually new.

I wouldn't. I'd expect new Karandras, Asurmen, and Yriel or Illic.

 Darnok wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
What's left for the eldar to get updated?

Some phoenix lords, swooping hawks, fire dragons, and some vehicles?

I would be expecting exactly this for the next codex, plus something actually new.

You'll get Karandarandaras and you'll be happy!

 GaroRobe wrote:
Some phoenix lords, swooping hawks, fire dragons, and some vehicles?

My kingdom for plastic Swooping Hawsk.

And Warp Spider!

 Shakalooloo wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
On that note, was there any mention of kill team upgrade sprues for the scorpions or the scouts? I wonder if they are also a casualty of the change to a smaller format box ala the latest warcry release.

They did mention that the Scorpions would have very little in the way of individuality, so I'd take that to mean no specialists - getting to use other Aspects would fulfil that purpose.

You having said that makes the fact that they didn't choose to use this as a way to throw out Striking Scorpions and Warp Spiders is all the more vexing.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
This one is resin

Spoiler:

Head swap to get rid of that awful flat face and we've got a nice Ghyran mage

The face looks fine for someone who doesn't do meth.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Santtu wrote:

Xirix wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Also noticed (and I know this was debated a few weeks ago) the men at arms and bowmen are both depicted in units of 18. IIRC they were on sprues of 4 or 8 (previously sold in boxes of 16). This lends credence to the idea that whatever the contents of the launch box are includes 36 of each.

"With the Peasant Bowmen box, you’ll be able to build a unit of 32 archers, complete with a command group and Defensive Stakes."

Holy molely! So it sounds like they will be double-stuffing the boxes

It kind of makes sense if we assume GW realizes that they can't sell twenty year old models for modern prices. If they keep the model count close to AoS ten or twenty man boxes, the box price will look low by comparison and that's bad for the brand. Doubling up is a way of solving that issue.

 Geifer wrote:

It kind of makes sense if we assume GW realizes that they can't sell twenty year old models for modern prices. If they keep the model count close to AoS ten or twenty man boxes, the box price will look low by comparison and that's bad for the brand. Doubling up is a way of solving that issue.

The question will be how they will arrange that with the new releases. Either the old stuff has way more stuff in there so the prices aren't that different which would look weird if we have a box with 32 old models but then only 10 new guys, or the new stuff is way more expensive if it has the same number of models which also wouldn't be great. And the option to just sell the new stuff for cheaper doesn't exist for GW

 Matrindur wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

It kind of makes sense if we assume GW realizes that they can't sell twenty year old models for modern prices. If they keep the model count close to AoS ten or twenty man boxes, the box price will look low by comparison and that's bad for the brand. Doubling up is a way of solving that issue.

The question will be how they will arrange that with the new releases. Either the old stuff has way more stuff in there so the prices aren't that different which would look weird if we have a box with 32 old models but then only 10 new guys, or the new stuff is way more expensive if it has the same number of models which also wouldn't be great. And the option to just sell the new stuff for cheaper doesn't exist for GW

They won't overthink, why should we? The old plastics will come in big boxes that cost around the same price as a box of 10 space marines. New stuff will come in boxes of 10 guys that cost around the same price as a box of 10 space marines. The last lingering hold outs who still believe each mini cost GW more than a penny to make will have their faith shaken, but otherwise I think we all get how the sausage is made.

I've always wanted a box of Bretonnian foot knights. That's pretty neat.

Of course cost to gw isn't just material cost...but that's something people conveniently always forget

So... the various articles are up on Warcom.

AdMech shows off Physics-fail Stiltman (he magically has stealth, lone operative and doesn't fall over when firing an over powered sniper rifle)

It also says the book has 30 datasheets.

Five full Detachments – each with their own Enhancements and Stratagems – feature alongside 30 datasheets, supported by lashings of lore, painting tips, galleries of beautiful miniatures, and new tech-hunting Crusade rules.

So... there are currently 29 AdMech datasheets, so he's it.

Necrons are going to have 47 datasheets. Which means they're getting no new stuff, and are actually losing datasheets (there's currently 50). So a couple of redone models like Imotekh.
Not sure what's getting erased, but I assume special characters and/or obelisk/tesseract vault/transcedent c'tan. Possibly lord or lokhust lord (since the latter makes no sense at all in its current form, a melee character that can only join a shooting unit). Special characters that don't make the jump to plastic are probably the best bet.

tneva82 wrote:
Of course cost to gw isn't just material cost...but that's something people conveniently always forget

I never do.

On an unrelated note back to my comment about the faithful, people can be confident they will find a way to stay strong.

 frankelee wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

It kind of makes sense if we assume GW realizes that they can't sell twenty year old models for modern prices. If they keep the model count close to AoS ten or twenty man boxes, the box price will look low by comparison and that's bad for the brand. Doubling up is a way of solving that issue.

The question will be how they will arrange that with the new releases. Either the old stuff has way more stuff in there so the prices aren't that different which would look weird if we have a box with 32 old models but then only 10 new guys, or the new stuff is way more expensive if it has the same number of models which also wouldn't be great. And the option to just sell the new stuff for cheaper doesn't exist for GW

They won't overthink, why should we? The old plastics will come in big boxes that cost around the same price as a box of 10 space marines. New stuff will come in boxes of 10 guys that cost around the same price as a box of 10 space marines. The last lingering hold outs who still believe each mini cost GW more than a penny to make will have their faith shaken, but otherwise I think we all get how the sausage is made.

It's not so bad in Bretonnia's case as the large model count goes with the cheap peasant rabble and the small model count goes with the elite knights. Elite coming fewer to a box isn't anything new or unexpected to GW customers and shouldn't raise any eyebrows.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Very nice. At least he’s not Finecast.

Agreed. I will happily accept remakes of all the finecast stuff in the same pose and style, but in plastic.

Xirix wrote:
why on earth do they all have tactical rocks though... that's going to be extra work after the first box so they don't all look silly.

It's almost as if they're a mainline unit for 40k and the rocks continue with the already established aesthetic

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do Sylvaneth players want more characters, or more units?

Units, for sure. Or more generic characters. Special characters were not a niche that needed filling.

Digging the new Striking Scorpions, hope GW will also update their Phoenix Lord

Voss wrote:
So... the various articles are up on Warcom.

AdMech shows off Physics-fail Stiltman (he magically has stealth, lone operative and doesn't fall over when firing an over powered sniper rifle)

It also says the book has 30 datasheets.

Stiltman worked as an idea for the guards in Dishonored so it doesn't bother me here. I mean that dieselpunk look is very Ad Mech after all.


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Also 30 datasheets for Ad Mech means unless they drop Servitor's that Stiltman is the only new model for them.

Personal hope is that Kataphrons get condensed and Onagers get squadrons.

 Malika2 wrote:
Digging the new Striking Scorpions, hope GW will also update their Phoenix Lord

Yes, please.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Voss wrote:
So... the various articles are up on Warcom.

AdMech shows off Physics-fail Stiltman (he magically has stealth, lone operative and doesn't fall over when firing an over powered sniper rifle)

It also says the book has 30 datasheets.

Stiltman worked as an idea for the guards in Dishonored so it doesn't bother me here. I mean that dieselpunk look is very Ad Mech after all.


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Also 30 datasheets for Ad Mech means unless they drop Servitor's that Stiltman is the only new model for them.

For necrons 50 and warcom says 47 for codex. Wonder what gets combined/dropped


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 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Digging the new Striking Scorpions, hope GW will also update their Phoenix Lord

Yes, please.

Pretty safe bet for codex.

Plastic Striking Scorpions.

It about damn time.

tneva82 wrote:
Of course cost to gw isn't just material cost...but that's something people conveniently always forget

Yep. Its wild that people still don't realize that theres expected sales volume as well as distribution costs (for which the actual box size of the kit matters for a lot) factored into their pricing decisions.

Necrons are going to have 47 datasheets. Which means they're getting no new stuff, and are actually losing datasheets (there's currently 50). So a couple of redone models like Imotekh.
Not sure what's getting erased, but I assume special characters and/or obelisk/tesseract vault/transcedent c'tan. Possibly lord or lokhust lord (since the latter makes no sense at all in its current form, a melee character that can only join a shooting unit). Special characters that don't make the jump to plastic are probably the best bet.

I would assume any of the finecast characters that aren't getting plastic resculpts are potentially being cut. Off the top of my head Vargard Obyron, Trazyn, Orikan, Nemesor Zandrekh, Anrakyr, Deceiver, and Nightbringer are all candidates to be cut. A couple of those might get resculpted in plastic this release cycle, a couple of them might get removed, a couple of them might remain. As an aside, both Imotekh and Orikan are listed as no longer available on the US site, which is a pretty good indication that Orikan is the other model getting resculpted.

I don't see the Lokhust Lord getting cut, its not the only example of a character that doesn't make sense in the context of the unit its supposed to join (the winged tyranid alpha being a leader for warriors with guns comes to mind). It is however a good candidate for a resculpt, along with the regular Lokhust Destroyers, as those kits are long in the tooth and dont match up aesthetically with the heavy destroyers. I can see a box of 3 Lokhust Destroyers being released, with options for one of the 3 to be built as a Lokhust Destroyer Lord.

The regular lord on foot also seems a likely candidate for elimination. GW doesn't even sell that model anymore.

chaos0xomega wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Of course cost to gw isn't just material cost...but that's something people conveniently always forget

Yep. Its wild that people still don't realize that theres expected sales volume as well as distribution costs (for which the actual box size of the kit matters for a lot) factored into their pricing decisions.

and a 30% profit margin

The new KillTeam season seems to ditch the established patterns and go more towards a Warcry model. Stingy terrain sets but might come with two unique new teams from now on. Interesting..

Regarding the vertical nature of Season 3, I do hope there will be missions included that use a bunch of that platform terrain, though. Seems like a waste if all you'll ever get are single platform set's worth of terrain mission layouts

As for the models, both teams look brill! Now we'd just need a scale comparison pict with a BT Neophyte model and a 2022 beakie next to each other.. Man if these new scouts are to large I will lose it hehehe!

 tauist wrote:
snip -Now we'd just need a scale comparison pict with a BT Neophyte model and a 2022 beakie next to each other.. Man if these new scouts are to large I will lose it hehehe!

Not a perfect solution, but these scale comparisons from Taleofpainters might be of use :

BT Neophyte vs old scout / firstborn Marine / Templar Primaris :

https://taleofpainters.com/2021/10/first-look-black-templars-codex-and-army-set/

HH MkVI vs various humans (old Cadian, plastic DKK) and Marines (firstborn, Primaris, new Chaos) :

https://taleofpainters.com/2022/05/scale-comparison-mkvi-horus-heresy-space-marine-legionaries/

Using the old MkI eyeball, I'd say we're good..

Hopefully, Stahly can do an updated comparison once he previews the new Scouts.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
bit disappointing that those walkways dont look like they are compatible with the existing sector mechanicus sets

I assumed they were half sized ones, presumably scaled to the reactor or the necromunda terrain

I assumed the big drum (reactor?) was the existing sector mechanicus kit. The walkways look like they are 2/3rds height by comparison.

There's not an easy clear pic, and I even wonder if the Ferratonic Furnace's walkway at the top has been designed to have other walkways come to rest on it, next to the raised inner circle rather than attach via the clips like the rest of the sector mechanicus, but in the pic with the box art they do have it painted up alongside the old stuff, including some necromunda stairs in the back. I would have assumed that two new short railings plus a floor is the same height as a old sector level.

Though ominously the new bits are all sitting on top of old sector mechanicus or with those other compatible bits in the distance.

I wasn't sure how I felt about the Sydonian at first, but now that I've had time to ruminate...

I like it! Stealth and Lone Operative promise to make it a fairly potentially potent threat. The model is definitely Out There, but in a good way. It looks like a few different head options, and hopefully there's different arm builds so can be built aiming/firing rather than always mid-reload.

Voss wrote:
So... the various articles are up on Warcom.

AdMech shows off Physics-fail Stiltman (he magically has stealth, lone operative and doesn't fall over when firing an over powered sniper rifle)

It also says the book has 30 datasheets.

Five full Detachments – each with their own Enhancements and Stratagems – feature alongside 30 datasheets, supported by lashings of lore, painting tips, galleries of beautiful miniatures, and new tech-hunting Crusade rules.

So... there are currently 29 AdMech datasheets, so he's it.

Necrons are going to have 47 datasheets. Which means they're getting no new stuff, and are actually losing datasheets (there's currently 50). So a couple of redone models like Imotekh.
Not sure what's getting erased, but I assume special characters and/or obelisk/tesseract vault/transcedent c'tan. Possibly lord or lokhust lord (since the latter makes no sense at all in its current form, a melee character that can only join a shooting unit). Special characters that don't make the jump to plastic are probably the best bet.

It's as if you don't realize that the Lokust Lords default weapon is a staff of Light (a 3 shot, 18"range weapon that can also be used in CC).
You have to choose to replace it with the melee only Lords Blade. Better CC at the cost of any range capability.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wasn't sure how I felt about the Sydonian at first, but now that I've had time to ruminate...

I like it! Stealth and Lone Operative promise to make it a fairly potentially potent threat. The model is definitely Out There, but in a good way. It looks like a few different head options, and hopefully there's different arm builds so can be built aiming/firing rather than always mid-reload.

Given the two versions we've seen have the visor up and down, and the two guns, I think there's just the one pose.

Sniper on stilts?

Can my Ork Mekboy get telescopic legs back?

 Tastyfish wrote:

Given the two versions we've seen have the visor up and down, and the two guns, I think there's just the one pose.

There's two notable different looks:
"Spectral Goggles"

vs
"Welder's Mask"


Just sayin'. This might be a fairly chonky kit.

Not a bad preview at all. Love Eldar, Scouts, Stormcasts on Dragons, Kurnoths and all things Knightly. A new Necron lord is cool but was hoping the BSF drones would join the Necron range, while...what the duece is that Ad-Mech-on-stilts all about?

There are two things I expect of a good sniper:

1) high sprinting speed
2) complete inability to hide

GW delivers in spades

Have properly caught up now.

Some nice stuff shown off. But….also really not a lot of stuff shown off. Certainly much less than I expected for Warhammer Day.

Mechanicus guy is probably my favourite, because it’s so very Mechanicus and therefore 40K.

Ionus Cryptborn on further looking is very nice. But, the Dragon thingy being stolidly red confuses my eyes.

Terrain is kinda meh... I think it's compatible with Sector Mechanicus but also not really. Half tall columns were sorely needed but so were stairs that could link these to the floor or up to the full height Sector Mechanicus platforms. Columns are also in a different style to the originals. Also looks like very few distinct pieces repeated a lot of times. The horrid paint scheme isn't doing it any favours either.

Boring killteam reveal, but for people who want to collect Eldar, it's probably better than buying 2 boxes of 5 men Scorpion for 120 USD when it's sold separatedly.

Other was meh to me, Sniper not having an aiming pose is huge L. Look like the stock is longer than the sniper's forearm.

Possibly a contentions opinion, but the Scorpions have truly terrible poses with zero movement, they all look exactly like cosplayers holding a pose to have their picture taken. And half of them are going 4 different ways, with the legs, each arm, and gaze each going off in a different direction.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Possibly a contentions opinion, but the Scorpions have truly terrible poses with zero movement, they all look exactly like cosplayers holding a pose to have their picture taken. And half of them are going 4 different ways, with the legs, each arm, and gaze each going off in a different direction.

They did mention hat the models are flexible in which arms can go with which body, so they're showing off the 'non-monopose' stylings by going wild with the poses.

Think I’m gonna get some Striking Scorpions, but probably not the Kill Team box.

When I get round to it, I'm going to convert up the admech sniper to have three or four legs which will look much better.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Possibly a contentions opinion, but the Scorpions have truly terrible poses with zero movement, they all look exactly like cosplayers holding a pose to have their picture taken. And half of them are going 4 different ways, with the legs, each arm, and gaze each going off in a different direction.

If you can't say anything nice etc - but they are doing nothing for me.
Not sure why, and I may change my mind, but there just seems something off about them. The unmasked faces especially seem bad to me.

Tyel wrote:
The unmasked faces especially seem bad to me.

I am told by my Eldar buddy that unmasked Aspect Warriors are also complete nonsense as far as lore goes.

To say something nice... I really like the Scouts, and the new Stormcast guy is the coolest model in his faction by a wiiiide margin.

The war-mask, to my limited understanding, is metaphorical?

un-helmeted aspect warriors are Ynnari, that's in the lore.

Not wearing helmets is a Ynarri thing. Banshees and Reapers both have the option and it's the way for people to model Ynarri rather than just having a different paint job.
Probably has to do with wanting to get shot in the face so they can empower Ynnead or something.

I think it's already been "confirmed" by the skitarii character and Imotekh rumors being true, but Imotekh and Orikan are both sold out online

I shall pass this knowledge onto my Eldar buddy

I kinda like the unique terrain sprue in the Kill Team box but that's paywalled with two teams I don't need. The same system worked out for me in Warcry but not this time.

I didn’t see the live stream, but the article suggests the Terrain is a separate boxed set?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I didn’t see the live stream, but the article suggests the Terrain is a separate boxed set?

Yes, the hosts mention that everyone must have lots of kill zones by now, so no need to 'force' people to buy more with every release, but leave the option there.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I didn’t see the live stream, but the article suggests the Terrain is a separate boxed set?

Sold separatedly like WC from now on. The reason (or excuse for a price hike ) is that " oh people complained they got too many terrains! So we sold you new box with none from now on"

I am tempted by the stumpy terrain.

But.

I rarely if ever play. And I own a lot (no, more than that. Closer…there you go!) Sector Mechanicus already. So it wouldn’t be a wise investment.

This is paywalled in the box with the teams, the platforms are in their own box.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I rarely if ever play. And I own a lot (no, more than that. Closer…there you go!) Sector Mechanicus already. So it wouldn’t be a wise investment.

Half height platforms are a pretty good expansion (should also line up with the tops of Zone Mortalis!), just shame there's no connecting half high stairs or ladders.

The huge amounts of terrain put me off buying previous sets, as it takes a lot of effort and space to build, paint and store. I wish they just released the teams by themselves sooner too, but I'm glad they've moved to smaller box sets, hopefully they'll be a bit cheaper too

For pricing, look at the latest Warcry sets

 lord_blackfang wrote:
For pricing, look at the latest Warcry sets

I'd actually advise against that. The Mawpit is frigging huge.

The individual Gallowdark sets were $35, $50, and $60.

2 striking scorpion is already 120 USD separatedly, not sure about the 130 usd prediction price tag.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
For pricing, look at the latest Warcry sets

Easier to reply to this bit.

Fair point on the Fancy Gubbins being box locked!

Chopstick wrote:
2 striking scorpion is already 120 USD separatedly, not sure about the 130 usd prediction price tag.

Gorgers and Wildercorps are going to be $60 each, not seeing a huge issue there. The Mawpit would be at least $50-$60.

Warcry has been priced at a power price point than kill team for the past year. In general AoS is slightly cheaper than 40k.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
2 striking scorpion is already 120 USD separatedly, not sure about the 130 usd prediction price tag.

Gorgers and Wildercorps are going to be $60 each, not seeing a huge issue there. The Mawpit would be at least $50-$60.

The WC bands are single box. The one from the new KT are 2 Striking Scorpions (5 man each) and 2 scout (5 man). Not sure about new scout pricing but Eldar aspect warrior has always been 60 for 5.

Ahhhh!

AaaaaAhhhhHhhhHhn

AcTuAlLy the plastic Dire Avengers used to be a box of 10. Back when 10 man squads were around £20 or £25ish?

Can’t remember the exact pricing, or how crap the 5 man price was originally.

But….actually the actually important thing here is AcTuAlLy, I think you’ll find, actually.

Chopstick wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
2 striking scorpion is already 120 USD separatedly, not sure about the 130 usd prediction price tag.

Gorgers and Wildercorps are going to be $60 each, not seeing a huge issue there. The Mawpit would be at least $50-$60.

The WC bands are single box. The one from the new KT are 2 Striking Scorpions (5 man each) and 2 scout (5 man). Not sure about new scout pricing but Eldar aspect warrior has always been 60 for 5.

They said that it's a squad of 10 for Scouts, just FYI. No mention of it being "2 boxes" like they did with Scorpions.

The Nova Open bit also has them shown in the video in a set of 10, rather than 5 like they would for a product video.

It might be a different case when we finally see the box, but I'm going off them being 10s for now.

The Admech sniper looks horrible.

Ok, the Scorps will probably come out in a box of 5 like the rest of the Aspect Warriors. We know Scouts will be in boxes of 10.

Low-balling it, given that they're slight, that puts 5 Scorps at AUD$97 (rather than the new improved price of AUD$105, which is what Reapers are). So 10 of them would be AUD$194.

The cheaper (LOL!) of the two 10-man modern Marine kits are the Assault Intercessors at AUD$98 (Hellblasters, Incursors, etc. being AUD$103).

So, together we're looking at AUD$292 worth of minis ($234 after discounts).

Even putting aside the KT terrain in the box, if this new KT box comes out at even AUD$250, it's a saving.

Chopstick wrote:
Boring killteam reveal, but for people who want to collect Eldar, it's probably better than buying 2 boxes of 5 men Scorpion for 120 USD when it's sold separatedly.

Other was meh to me, Sniper not having an aiming pose is huge L. Look like the stock is longer than the sniper's forearm.

He probably has telescoping arms too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok, the Scorps will probably come out in a box of 5 like the rest of the Aspect Warriors. We know Scouts will be in boxes of 10.

Low-balling it, given that they're slight, that puts 5 Scorps at AUD$97 (rather than the new improved price of AUD$105, which is what Reapers are). So 10 of them would be AUD$194.

The cheaper (LOL!) of the two 10-man modern Marine kits are the Assault Intercessors at AUD$98 (Hellblasters, Incursors, etc. being AUD$103).

So, together we're looking at AUD$292 worth of minis ($234 after discounts).

Even putting aside the KT terrain in the box, if this new KT box comes out at even AUD$250, it's a saving.

When the Killteam Starter is $120 AUS and includes 2 x 10 man teams, terrain, tokens, rules etc, this box would be insane coming in anywhere near $250 AUS.

Yeah but it's GW, and prices go up with new releases, not because of equivalency.

I mean, you're right, $250 is insane. Nearly $200 for a 10-man unit of Scorps is more insane though.

GW really should just set up a factory in AUS/NZ to localize production so they don't have to upcharge you guys like 300% to cover shipping and import costs.

So, my hot takes on the reveals:
40k:
Imotekh the Stormlord: I really love the model, it's a great update on a popular character.
Codex: Necrons: Not one I'm going to pick up as I don't play Crons, but as always it'll be interesting to see what detachments and stuff they get (wonder if they'll get ones with the same names as some of the 7th edition formations).
AdMech stilt sniper guy: This thing is fething stupid, and not in a "lol but it's 40k" way. Like, one good gust of wind and this guy would be on his cybernetic ass.
Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus: Same story as the Necron one; not an army I personally play but still interesting to see. Hope they get some love with the new detachments, they sure need it.
AoS:
Dragon Riding Lord Relictor guy: I want this guy for my Stormcast army so bad! He'll look great with some Stormdrake Guard buddies!
Tree dude on giant beetle: The model is cool as hell, even if I don't play Sylvaneth.
New campaign book: I've never picked up a campaign book for AoS, and I expect this will be no exception. Not because of any outstanding hate for GW or anything, but because I simply don't play enough AoS to warrant spending money on something like this.
Kill Team:
Striking Scorpions: Nice updates on classic models, and always nice to see yet another Aspect make the jump to modern materials. I guess that pretty much just leaves Warp Spiders and Fire Dragons with the old models (maybe Swooping Hawks as well? Did they get an update with the last release wave?).
New SM Scouts: I like these a lot, ever since the first reveal of them. A great update for an iconic Marine unit. Not sure I have any desire to play them in Kill Team, but I'll definitely get some for my 40k army to replace my old Scouts (many of which I've already sold off).
Killzone not-Kamino: Admit it, when they said the new season was on platforms on a water world you heard the Kamino theme from Attack of the Clones in your head too. The terrain looks great, even if it's not directly compatible with existing stuff.
The Old World:
Duke/Baron/Standard Bearer on Pegasus: The model is insane and I love it, but not enough to actually play Old World. There's just no nostalgia in it for me as I never played WHFB. And if I did play Old World, I'd be playing Tomb Kings.
Knights on Foot: Again, the models are beautiful, and a great update over the old ones.
Resin Handmaiden lady: I do like the model a lot, but like the rest it's not something I'm likely to ever buy. I'm still not sure why they are making new stuff in resin when they can make great stuff in plastic, a material that is greatly preferred by most players.

AdMech stilt sniper guy: This thing is fething stupid, and not in a "lol but it's 40k" way. Like, one good gust of wind and this guy would be on his cybernetic ass.

The weirdest thing about it is jezzails in warhammer are consistently so big and heavy that they require a second model bracing them with a shield or other reinforcement. This is just a guy, with added disadvantages and apparently only cybernetic below the knees and elbows.

I know the sydonian dragoons can have them as an option, but GW doesn't even bother showing pictures of that setup. The second party pics I can find have it on a mount for the rail across the front of the 'mech.'

There's at least a pretense that a dragoon can brace and lock its multiple leg joints, but Stiltman is just going to fall over. God-machine forbid he ever drop his gun- he's not getting it back. Though the guns are also an issue. Single shot character with those profiles are...forgettable. 2/3rds, 2/3rds and a coin flip to kill a single terminator? Pass.

Its a shame, because the armor and body glove looks really good. Simple, yet striking. Its just all the other stuff.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok, the Scorps will probably come out in a box of 5 like the rest of the Aspect Warriors. We know Scouts will be in boxes of 10.

Low-balling it, given that they're slight, that puts 5 Scorps at AUD$97 (rather than the new improved price of AUD$105, which is what Reapers are). So 10 of them would be AUD$194.

The cheaper (LOL!) of the two 10-man modern Marine kits are the Assault Intercessors at AUD$98 (Hellblasters, Incursors, etc. being AUD$103).

So, together we're looking at AUD$292 worth of minis ($234 after discounts).

Even putting aside the KT terrain in the box, if this new KT box comes out at even AUD$250, it's a saving.

When the Killteam Starter is $120 AUS and includes 2 x 10 man teams, terrain, tokens, rules etc, this box would be insane coming in anywhere near $250 AUS.

There is no way this Kill Team box is less then the latest Warcry box that also has two teams and a single terrain piece and that one is $220 AUD

The Kill Team starter is strangely cheap in AUD, way different than their normal currency conversion. Its £65/€85/$99/$120AUD but for example the Phobos Strike Team is $117AUD so nearly the same but £42.50/€55/$70 in other currencies.
The Warcry starter is $180AUD while being the same price as the Kill Team starter in £

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personal hope is that Kataphrons get condensed and Onagers get squadrons.

If think bring back the old tank squads for them I'll buy at least 3 more. I'd like their forcefield being close to each other back too.

Why would Onagers get squadrons in a edition when squadrons, even for things like Vypers and Support Weapons, lost them?

 ZergSmasher wrote:

I guess that pretty much just leaves Warp Spiders and Fire Dragons with the old models (maybe Swooping Hawks as well? Did they get an update with the last release wave?).

Nope. Hawks still need new models. It was Shining Spears Aspect that got updated https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/aeldari-shining-spears-2022

Spiders need the update most considering how hilariously old they are.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Tyel wrote:
The unmasked faces especially seem bad to me.

I am told by my Eldar buddy that unmasked Aspect Warriors are also complete nonsense as far as lore goes.

To say something nice... I really like the Scouts, and the new Stormcast guy is the coolest model in his faction by a wiiiide margin.

The unmasked ones are a Ynarii thing. They've been doing that for a while now

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW really should just set up a factory in AUS/NZ to localize production so they don't have to upcharge you guys like 300% to cover shipping and import costs.

That would just result in them being upcharged like 400%+ to cover a duplicate set of injection molds and machines. The USA wasn't a big enough market to justify that expense, so I can't imagine Australia is.

 dan2026 wrote:
Spiders need the update most considering how hilariously old they are.

They're clearly saving those for the "40 years of Warp Spiders" series of articles!

Huh. Entirely missed that Necrons are slated to get more new kits/redos . That’s nice.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Huh. Entirely missed that Necrons are slated to get more new kits/redos . That’s nice.

Maybe that RE is from new crons? Anyway new C'tans and destroyers would be great.

I’d settle for updated Destroyers as a minimum.

They were a glow up when first released, being quite close to Jes Goodwin’s concept art. But they have aged since then, especially compared to the much chunkier Heavy Destroyers.

Destroyers are about the only old non-leader models that didn't get an update. I'd say a new destroyer kit which then lets you build a leader as well would be a very much obvious thing for GW to add with an update.

It would mean Necrons would have zero finecast left in the core models outside of heroes. Couple that with a new hero model every few months as a steady trickle of updates and Necrons would be in a great position.

It's just heroes, if Valrak's to be believed.

Still better than the minimum effort new character given to AdMech. I'm happy with the Sydonian Sniper, but it's loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong past time for a bloody plastic Servitor box.

 Kanluwen wrote:
it's loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong past time for a bloody plastic Servitor box.

This, so much this!

It's just mindfriggingboggling that they opted to do a single Gun Servitor in plastic for Combat Arena and then another for the Inquisitorial Agents KT.

But the thing that would be a buy for something like 8 or 9 codices?

Nah.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's just mindfriggingboggling that they opted to do a single Gun Servitor in plastic for Combat Arena and then another for the Inquisitorial Agents KT.

But the thing that would be a buy for something like 8 or 9 codices?

Nah.

There is some higher logic in GW HQ that we mortals cannot comprehend with our simple mids

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Huh. Entirely missed that Necrons are slated to get more new kits/redos . That’s nice.

Maybe that RE is from new crons? Anyway new C'tans and destroyers would be great.

Maybe Orikan got a new looking cloak?

I think I'll call the Admech sniper: Nigel Stiltman


Regardless there's some nice models coming!

 Overread wrote:
Destroyers are about the only old non-leader models that didn't get an update. I'd say a new destroyer kit which then lets you build a leader as well would be a very much obvious thing for GW to add with an update.

It would mean Necrons would have zero finecast left in the core models outside of heroes. Couple that with a new hero model every few months as a steady trickle of updates and Necrons would be in a great position.

Beside marines who gets steady releases

Once codex comes next chance end of edition campaign starting fall 2025.

 Overread wrote:
I'd say a new destroyer kit which then lets you build a leader as well would be a very much obvious thing for GW to add with an update.

So what you're saying is... they're not going to do that and will invent a new minor unit to make instead?

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's just mindfriggingboggling that they opted to do a single Gun Servitor in plastic for Combat Arena and then another for the Inquisitorial Agents KT.

But the thing that would be a buy for something like 8 or 9 codices?

Nah.

There is some higher logic in GW HQ that we mortals cannot comprehend with our simple mids

Is it cocaine? It's cocaine, isn't it?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Huh. Entirely missed that Necrons are slated to get more new kits/redos . That’s nice.

Maybe that RE is from new crons? Anyway new C'tans and destroyers would be great.

Maybe Orikan got a new looking cloak?

I haven't looked at his rules since he was introduced, but back then he had an empowered shape that was basically a C'tan. Maybe this time around he gets two models, a normal and an empowered one?

Assuming that the Scorpions will be a 5-model kit when getting their standalone release (same as Howling Banshees I imagine),
that would imply that the 10-model KT includes parts for two Exarchs, no ?

Since they mentioned in the stream that the kit includes all of the exarch options (Claw, Biting Blade, twin chainswords), I'm hoping
that this last option also has the shuriken gauntlets as seen in Jes' concept art.

http://eldar.arhicks.co.uk/miniatures/eldar/craftworld/striking_scorpions_exarchs_1.php

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I'd say a new destroyer kit which then lets you build a leader as well would be a very much obvious thing for GW to add with an update.

So what you're saying is... they're not going to do that and will invent a new minor unit to make instead?

Darn it don't say that out loud! It will give them ideas!


But yes you are totally right GW does have a strange habit of updating almost everything in an army and then just leaving some stuff totally untouched. I was really surprised to see the new heavy destroyer in the new necron update when the last new edition launched, but no release of new basic destroys through that whole edition. Not in a side game; nor in an update or campaign book or just a straight update as their stats were already out. GW seems to like leaving bits hanging on and part of me wonders if its a marketing thing to keep focus on the army by having these "obvious updates" to act as focal points for online chatter to generate hype when an updated book or such is coming out.

Get everyone talking and hoping really quickly without having to do anything but give a hint that X army is getting updated soon.


Thing is that seems false to me because GW is big enough that even if they just said "Necrons update in November" there'd be loads of chatter even without a clear update model sitting there in the roster. Even fairly modern models people will argue over if they should be updated; or will fight it out to promote their idea of a new thing an army should have

They said on stream that the KT is 2 boxes worth of Scorpions, so yeah two Exarchs would be doable.

 xttz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW really should just set up a factory in AUS/NZ to localize production so they don't have to upcharge you guys like 300% to cover shipping and import costs.

That would just result in them being upcharged like 400%+ to cover a duplicate set of injection molds and machines. The USA wasn't a big enough market to justify that expense, so I can't imagine Australia is.

 dan2026 wrote:
Spiders need the update most considering how hilariously old they are.

They're clearly saving those for the "40 years of Warp Spiders" series of articles!

The US was a big enough market for it, we had a factory here - they would produce molds in the UK and ship them here for production (which was a significant expense). The reason they closed it down was more political, there was a lack of skilled labor in Memphis and they couldn't convince folks in the UK to relocate as they were unionized and had better benefits than they would get in the US, etc.

In some ways that's political, but in another its simply that there was a lack of key skills in the market that GW could tap into to make it work. I seem to recall that they went into a crazy situation having to constantly ship staff and machines back and forth when problems arose. Which in the end is daft when its a lot easier just to produce at once site and ship the stuff over.

Indeed that worked for ages until the Pandemic broke international shipping.

Problem with one site is insurance and business continuity. I deal with that at my job, basically we need to have several facilities several states away (preferably the opposite side of the country) able to absorb our work otherwise we are basically considered uninsurable. I have no idea how GW manages with the totality of its operations in a single city.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 xttz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW really should just set up a factory in AUS/NZ to localize production so they don't have to upcharge you guys like 300% to cover shipping and import costs.

That would just result in them being upcharged like 400%+ to cover a duplicate set of injection molds and machines. The USA wasn't a big enough market to justify that expense, so I can't imagine Australia is.

 dan2026 wrote:
Spiders need the update most considering how hilariously old they are.

They're clearly saving those for the "40 years of Warp Spiders" series of articles!

The US was a big enough market for it, we had a factory here - they would produce molds in the UK and ship them here for production (which was a significant expense). The reason they closed it down was more political, there was a lack of skilled labor in Memphis and they couldn't convince folks in the UK to relocate as they were unionized and had better benefits than they would get in the US, etc.

Us might have been big enough to basically double expenses. Would australia be?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Problem with one site is insurance and business continuity. I deal with that at my job, basically we need to have several facilities several states away (preferably the opposite side of the country) able to absorb our work otherwise we are basically considered uninsurable. I have no idea how GW manages with the totality of its operations in a single city.

Technically they've got 3rd party factories in China that do some limited casting and their cardstock is all printed overseas. That said I feel like unless you are a massive company; a lot of firms run on a single primary production site. Heck almost all small firms are going to be one production site.
It might be just a difference between how the USA and the UK do business. I could see US Insurance firms wanting multiple sites due to logistics of scale in the country as well as how some regions have very powerful weather events that we don't get in the UK in enough quantity to make them as big of a regular issue.

Eg USA has regions where hurricanes and tornadoes are an annual risk, whilst in the UK one of those happening is a major freak weather event (we get little tornadoes sometimes but they are tiny compared ot the USA types; and not long lived either)

tneva82 wrote:

Us might have been big enough to basically double expenses. Would australia be?

GW's North American revenue is equal to UK plus EU combined. If that was the only consideration it would make sense to move their entire production to the US (or more likely Canada or Mexico I guess), but obviously being a UK company is a big part of their core identity.

I have enough Ad-Mech for a decent 2000 point force (or probably 3k, not counting knights), but sadly I just dont get them.
And now this new stilt guy really baffles me. How could the army possibly need a weird sniper dude carrying a rifle that was not good enough on any other unit?
I will probably get him anyway, guy looks cool

He is not worse than the marines with jetpack and accelerator autocannaons when it comes to making sense.

ecurtz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Us might have been big enough to basically double expenses. Would australia be?

GW's North American revenue is equal to UK plus EU combined. If that was the only consideration it would make sense to move their entire production to the US (or more likely Canada or Mexico I guess), but obviously being a UK company is a big part of their core identity.

Not just their core identity - its also kind of built into their whole distribution and company network. Moving a firm overseas to the USA like that would be huge if they moved everything. They'd also lose a lot of staff who simply would not want to move to the USA. Plus not to mention things like healthcare differences; tax differences; work visas and a bundle of other things. Far cheaper and more sensible just to produce more at the core factory and ship stuff over and potentially start a secondary factory up again; perhaps choosing a different region or finding key staff or even buying up a plastic casting firm in the USA that's small enough they can afford too and use that infrastructure.

 Fayric wrote:
I have enough Ad-Mech for a decent 2000 point force (or probably 3k, not counting knights), but sadly I just dont get them.

Remember that it's two armies that were forced together after having had a unique design mentality for each. It's been a terrible fit since day one of 8th.

And now this new stilt guy really baffles me. How could the army possibly need a weird sniper dude carrying a rifle that was not good enough on any other unit?

When the OG Transauranic Arquebus dropped? It was a legit threat to enemy armour up to and potentially even including things like the Land Raider. It had its teeth pulled after the swap to 8th.


Hopefully this new guy's Arquebus is a sign of things to come for the OG version, but the Jezzail is basically the same as the Dragoon has right now. Only difference off the top of my head is that the new guy is BS3+ on his Jezzail, but that might be something they're doing for the 'ranged' Skitarii units.

 Kanluwen wrote:

When the OG Transauranic Arquebus dropped?

Transauranic? Sounds like it involves dinosaurs!

EXODITES CONFIRMED!!!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
I have enough Ad-Mech for a decent 2000 point force (or probably 3k, not counting knights), but sadly I just dont get them.

Remember that it's two armies that were forced together after having had a unique design mentality for each. It's been a terrible fit since day one of 8th.

And now this new stilt guy really baffles me. How could the army possibly need a weird sniper dude carrying a rifle that was not good enough on any other unit?

When the OG Transauranic Arquebus dropped? It was a legit threat to enemy armour up to and potentially even including things like the Land Raider. It had its teeth pulled after the swap to 8th.


Hopefully this new guy's Arquebus is a sign of things to come for the OG version, but the Jezzail is basically the same as the Dragoon has right now. Only difference off the top of my head is that the new guy is BS3+ on his Jezzail, but that might be something they're doing for the 'ranged' Skitarii units.

You got it backwards, it was originally one army that got split. We know this because the lead dev on those books talked about it in a Goonhammer interview after he went indie dev.

James: [...]The Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus [back in 7th] which should have one combined set of rules, they got two sets of special rules, because otherwise you don’t sell two books of special rules, you sell one.

Lupe: And interestingly they got combined back together in 8th.

James: And they should have been, they always should have been. The reason they were split was because of a logistics thing. It was when White Dwarf was weekly and they could only show one week’s releases at a time, and if you put out an army book in week one then you’ll show off the releases for the next one, and “secrecy is paramount” , you can’t show off the future releases. If you put it out in week two, it looks like the releases in week one were coming out without an army book, and that doesn’t make sense. And it was this whole ridiculous… the tail has often wagged the dog in Games Workshop in different ways, and this was a fantastic example of that.

As for the reason for stiltman, I'm guessing they decided they could only do one character for this update and went through some designs they already had and picked on and made it a character.

If they drop Servitors like they did in the Marine book my only hope is Dragoons get split into Taser Lance and Jezzail units just so they can be different points costs. That or give us plastic Servitors already.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

You got it backwards, it was originally one army that got split.

Kan is well aware of this and yet still vehemently denies it being true for his own headcanon because he only wants Skitarii.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

You got it backwards, it was originally one army that got split.

Kan is well aware of this and yet still vehemently denies it being true for his own headcanon because he only wants Skitarii.

Well good news since he gets a whole detachment dedicated to them then.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You got it backwards, it was originally one army that got split.

People have been telling him this for years and he refuses to listen.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

You got it backwards, it was originally one army that got split.

Kan is well aware of this and yet still vehemently denies it being true for his own headcanon because he only wants Skitarii.

I'm also well aware that they were two wildly different armies in terms of playstyle and mechanics, whatever Hewitt's idea of the army for lore or the like was.

Hewitt says they should have been, not that they were designed as. Anyone who suggests that they played the same is flat-out being disingenuous.

The fact that he said they were "split" implies that they were at some point designed as one, this is further reinforced by, I dont know, the entire fething context of everything he says.

Of course they had "wildly different playstyles", by the way, they had very different units available to the two respective halves which dictated in large part how they played on the table.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The fact that he said they were "split" implies that they were at some point designed as one, this is further reinforced by, I dont know, the entire fething context of everything he says.

Cool, since you people always seem to know the entire story based on one snippet of information--when did the split occur? Was it before or after any work actually had started for the army's rules?

I mean, if you guys are going to constantly try to throw that singular quote at me every frigging time I make a statement about how the Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus books played differently from each other and how they were two wildly different books where Skitarii got the entirety of their flavor sucked out of them when combined into one for 8th?
You should be able to say so, with the confidence that you lot have to keep talking down at me.

Because if we want to talk about "context", as a reminder? Hewitt's also claimed that the designs for the miniatures are done before the books. This is the dude who also has talked about being told to make the Wraithknight better because of the model's $$$ cost.

I never said he's a liar, I've never said that he's wrong, or anything like that. I've simply said, and consistently stuck to, that no matter the intention?

Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus did not feel like two halves of a single army, just waiting to be stuck back together again. They genuinely had a unique feel to them that went beyond just the roster of the units. It's why I've always felt like(even if I may not have said all that often) that whenever the dictate came from on high to "split" them? It must have been extremely early on. Like, in the "We've got an idea as to what our next faction is!" stages.

Of course they had "wildly different playstyles", by the way, they had very different units available to the two respective halves which dictated in large part how they played on the table.

Yeah, and what else did they have?

Two wildly different playstyles that had nothing to do with the different units available to them but rather factored on the special rules for the armies. You cannot in good faith argue that Doctrina Imperatives and Canticles were even remotely similar, beyond being special rules.

Maybe I should just make a signature tag or something:
"Skitarii and Cult could have been one book, but by the Omnissiah's Blessing they had the chance to be something special before being combined"?

Kan you need to let it go, it's fairly obvious that Adeptus Mechanicus as a complete army was always going to happen and if a designer can be quoted stating they were told to split the range, then you're going to have to accept that.

Iirc his reasoning given was that management didn't want to release all the kits at once, they wanted them spread apart, but due to Charterhouse style GW they needed their own rules to justify both their existence and having 2 books in 6 months.

When this happened is largely irrelevant, the designer has told us they were intended as 1 range.

 Overread wrote:

ecurtz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Us might have been big enough to basically double expenses. Would australia be?

GW's North American revenue is equal to UK plus EU combined. If that was the only consideration it would make sense to move their entire production to the US (or more likely Canada or Mexico I guess), but obviously being a UK company is a big part of their core identity.

Not just their core identity - its also kind of built into their whole distribution and company network. Moving a firm overseas to the USA like that would be huge if they moved everything. They'd also lose a lot of staff who simply would not want to move to the USA. Plus not to mention things like healthcare differences; tax differences; work visas and a bundle of other things. Far cheaper and more sensible just to produce more at the core factory and ship stuff over and potentially start a secondary factory up again; perhaps choosing a different region or finding key staff or even buying up a plastic casting firm in the USA that's small enough they can afford too and use that infrastructure.

Not to mention the whole 'lead belt' effect they have had on the Nottingham area, which means there is a large pool of skilled sculptors, artists, game and mini designers and factory workers who already live in the local area.

Unless they double up on all the moulds on producing everything (which probably isn't profitable on some of the older or more obscure stuff) they will still need to ship over some of the stuff from the UK anyway and have to coordinate stuff coming from yet another source.

Maybe they will get a smaller factory that only produces the newer stuff and mainly be there for helping with new launches. Like production is only for stuff like leviathan, indomitus or new marine releases and then everything else is just shipped from the UK. Then they dont need a thousand different moulds or a huge warehouse that stock a ton of different products. Just focusing on the things that will sell a huge amount and not make the logistic chain too complicated.

Klickor wrote:
Unless they double up on all the moulds on producing everything (which probably isn't profitable on some of the older or more obscure stuff) they will still need to ship over some of the stuff from the UK anyway and have to coordinate stuff coming from yet another source.

Maybe they will get a smaller factory that only produces the newer stuff and mainly be there for helping with new launches. Like production is only for stuff like leviathan, indomitus or new marine releases and then everything else is just shipped from the UK. Then they dont need a thousand different moulds or a huge warehouse that stock a ton of different products. Just focusing on the things that will sell a huge amount and not make the logistic chain too complicated.

I think it will happen again, GW must have learned some things from the first attempt that failed and could take those lessons forward in setting up again. I think the risk for them is that it ends up being a huge cash investment that isn't actually going to net them anything more in income compared to simply expanding their warehousing and shipping system; which has to be done anyway for the rest of their market. The USA is a massive beast of a market to tap into and if they could improve their production output to better serve and expand more rapidly into that market (remembering that GW funds all expansion with profits not loans) then it could set them up for a bumper expansion. Of course they might also be waiting for financial times to improve from what they are now so that there's a market super hungry and ready to expand into what they offer.

They might also simply continue to invest in their current site, which is likely a lot easier to expand on because staff and resources are right there to be had

Plus cost of staff. On the last thread where we saw a GW job advert and there was discussion of salaries, many of the US posters were saying even entry level positions would need to pay twice as much as they do in the UK.

We didn't get a look at the scout sprues as of yet right?

Not Online!!! wrote:
We didn't get a look at the scout sprues as of yet right?

Not yet. They seem to be boxes of 10 though.

Scout kit is 5-man, but the box they sell might be 10 like Intercessor and Reiver.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
We didn't get a look at the scout sprues as of yet right?

Not yet. They seem to be boxes of 10 though.

Aye... that seems clear since it's a KT and those are always in the ballpark of 10 models.

That said, i have my concerns about the weapons loadouts... which i hope to include atleast full bolter, full cqc pistol and full sniperrifle support... that would make me buy a lot for my AL HH army.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
We didn't get a look at the scout sprues as of yet right?

Not yet. They seem to be boxes of 10 though.

Aye... that seems clear since it's a KT and those are always in the ballpark of 10 models.

That said, i have my concerns about the weapons loadouts... which i hope to include atleast full bolter, full cqc pistol and full sniperrifle support... that would make me buy a lot for my AL HH army.

Full sniper looks to be a thing of the past. There is a small hope we might get an alternative build/pose, but one/5 models looks to be the way forward.

Chopstick wrote:
Scout kit is 5-man, but the box they sell might be 10 like Intercessor and Reiver.

Scorpions are the only confirmed 5 models, doubled, for the new set.

There's assumptions that Scouts are as well, but that's not confirmed by GW. The Nova Open video showcased them as a box of 10 so that's likely what it is.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Scout kit is 5-man, but the box they sell might be 10 like Intercessor and Reiver.

Scorpions are the only confirmed 5 models, doubled, for the new set.

There's assumptions that Scouts are as well, but that's not confirmed by GW. The Nova Open video showcased them as a box of 10 so that's likely what it is.

They have picture of models on WaCom dude.

 Nevelon wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
We didn't get a look at the scout sprues as of yet right?

Not yet. They seem to be boxes of 10 though.

Aye... that seems clear since it's a KT and those are always in the ballpark of 10 models.

That said, i have my concerns about the weapons loadouts... which i hope to include atleast full bolter, full cqc pistol and full sniperrifle support... that would make me buy a lot for my AL HH army.

Full sniper looks to be a thing of the past. There is a small hope we might get an alternative build/pose, but one/5 models looks to be the way forward.

It's not as small as it could be, since HH has scouts as a regular unit for all legions and one of the options in that is a full set of Sniperrifles.

So maybee GW is smart and "generous" (for GW standards ) and has a full set of them in the kit.

Chopstick wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Scout kit is 5-man, but the box they sell might be 10 like Intercessor and Reiver.

Scorpions are the only confirmed 5 models, doubled, for the new set.

There's assumptions that Scouts are as well, but that's not confirmed by GW. The Nova Open video showcased them as a box of 10 so that's likely what it is.

They have picture of models on WaCom dude.

Yes, I know. I've linked to the Nova Open article that revealed them in this very thread.

Like I said, they aren't 100% confirmed to be 2 sets of 5 like the Scorpions are.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
We didn't get a look at the scout sprues as of yet right?

Not yet. They seem to be boxes of 10 though.

Aye... that seems clear since it's a KT and those are always in the ballpark of 10 models.

That said, i have my concerns about the weapons loadouts... which i hope to include atleast full bolter, full cqc pistol and full sniperrifle support... that would make me buy a lot for my AL HH army.

Full sniper looks to be a thing of the past. There is a small hope we might get an alternative build/pose, but one/5 models looks to be the way forward.

It's not as small as it could be, since HH has scouts as a regular unit for all legions and one of the options in that is a full set of Sniperrifles.

So maybee GW is smart and "generous" (for GW standards ) and has a full set of them in the kit.

why would they do that when they can force you to buy ten copies of their kit?

Because at some point mithril even GW realises that 3d printing is an issue uniquly affecting them and not other plastic producers preciscly because of their price sheme and scarcity of options in the kit.

 Nevelon wrote:

Full sniper looks to be a thing of the past. There is a small hope we might get an alternative build/pose, but one/5 models looks to be the way forward.

A 5 man kit is usually 2 sprues, so you actually get more sprue space to hopefully build more sniper scouts than a standard 3 sprues 10 man kit. Unless GW cheap out on the kit and make it 3 half size sprues like Eldar Aspect Warrior.

I'd expect to see a FW upgrade for snipers rather than full snipers in a box where it's a special upgrade.

I'm puzzled by the debate.

Previews have already said scouts are hard locked to 1 per 5 models. There are no sniper scout squads, period. (Reinforced by the 1.4 points)
Times being what they are, alternate poses (out of the box with no extra work) aren't going to happen.

Yeah, I've been wondering how the scouts would work for HH, if they are intended to be a cross-compatible kit for both systems or if we should expect a separate HH scout kit in the future.

HH also seems less bothered about NMNR and rules=what the box can build. They might just let it slide and leave it to the players to sort it out.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
We didn't get a look at the scout sprues as of yet right?

Not yet. They seem to be boxes of 10 though.

Aye... that seems clear since it's a KT and those are always in the ballpark of 10 models.

That said, i have my concerns about the weapons loadouts... which i hope to include atleast full bolter, full cqc pistol and full sniperrifle support... that would make me buy a lot for my AL HH army.

Full sniper looks to be a thing of the past. There is a small hope we might get an alternative build/pose, but one/5 models looks to be the way forward.

It's not as small as it could be, since HH has scouts as a regular unit for all legions and one of the options in that is a full set of Sniperrifles.

So maybee GW is smart and "generous" (for GW standards ) and has a full set of them in the kit.

If kit had sniper for every model codex would allow full sniper units.

Also 40k sniper rifles are laser based while 30k are bolter based

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Also 40k sniper rifles are laser based while 30k are bolter based

Well, that kind-of depends on what sniper rifle and what bit of fluff you are reading. In the 40K setting there have been mentions of both. I believe the Assassin has been mentions to use kinetic rounds. I know there was once a bit of fluff about marine scouts racking a round into the chamber.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Also 40k sniper rifles are laser based while 30k are bolter based

Well, that kind-of depends on what sniper rifle and what bit of fluff you are reading. In the 40K setting there have been mentions of both. I believe the Assassin has been mentions to use kinetic rounds. I know there was once a bit of fluff about marine scouts racking a round into the chamber.

Needle sniper rifles used to be both - a beam of laser to penetrate armour, followed by the actual solid round through the hole.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Also 40k sniper rifles are laser based while 30k are bolter based

Well, that kind-of depends on what sniper rifle and what bit of fluff you are reading. In the 40K setting there have been mentions of both. I believe the Assassin has been mentions to use kinetic rounds. I know there was once a bit of fluff about marine scouts racking a round into the chamber.

Well I'm looking at that one rifle in the new scout box and it's absolutely not a Nemesis Bolter, which is what scouts in 30k have. Thus crushing any dreams of a multi purpose kit.

I've only just noticed that the Necron lord on the cover of the new codex has a Rod of Covenant.

I assume that the artist just doesn't know that it's not a Staff of Light..?

Those Striking Scorpions are uninspired. They kept the 4th edition aesthetic like they did for the Reapers and Banshees which is appreciated, but those static poses are rather lame. The 2006 versions aren't particularly dynamic. The old guardians weren't either. And yet the new guardians kit is so much better than this. Why couldn't they include some of those dynamic poses for the elite melee infantry?

The Banshee were also a fantastic kit and their Exarch leader also really helped them stand out.

Next preview is listed as Friday 17th November at 9PM EST so Saturday at 2AM GMT or 3AM CET. Another early/late one depending on your point of view at least it’s Saturday that/ the next day.