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Yeah but it's GW, and prices go up with new releases, not because of equivalency.

I mean, you're right, $250 is insane. Nearly $200 for a 10-man unit of Scorps is more insane though.

GW really should just set up a factory in AUS/NZ to localize production so they don't have to upcharge you guys like 300% to cover shipping and import costs.

So, my hot takes on the reveals:
40k:
Imotekh the Stormlord: I really love the model, it's a great update on a popular character.
Codex: Necrons: Not one I'm going to pick up as I don't play Crons, but as always it'll be interesting to see what detachments and stuff they get (wonder if they'll get ones with the same names as some of the 7th edition formations).
AdMech stilt sniper guy: This thing is fething stupid, and not in a "lol but it's 40k" way. Like, one good gust of wind and this guy would be on his cybernetic ass.
Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus: Same story as the Necron one; not an army I personally play but still interesting to see. Hope they get some love with the new detachments, they sure need it.
AoS:
Dragon Riding Lord Relictor guy: I want this guy for my Stormcast army so bad! He'll look great with some Stormdrake Guard buddies!
Tree dude on giant beetle: The model is cool as hell, even if I don't play Sylvaneth.
New campaign book: I've never picked up a campaign book for AoS, and I expect this will be no exception. Not because of any outstanding hate for GW or anything, but because I simply don't play enough AoS to warrant spending money on something like this.
Kill Team:
Striking Scorpions: Nice updates on classic models, and always nice to see yet another Aspect make the jump to modern materials. I guess that pretty much just leaves Warp Spiders and Fire Dragons with the old models (maybe Swooping Hawks as well? Did they get an update with the last release wave?).
New SM Scouts: I like these a lot, ever since the first reveal of them. A great update for an iconic Marine unit. Not sure I have any desire to play them in Kill Team, but I'll definitely get some for my 40k army to replace my old Scouts (many of which I've already sold off).
Killzone not-Kamino: Admit it, when they said the new season was on platforms on a water world you heard the Kamino theme from Attack of the Clones in your head too. The terrain looks great, even if it's not directly compatible with existing stuff.
The Old World:
Duke/Baron/Standard Bearer on Pegasus: The model is insane and I love it, but not enough to actually play Old World. There's just no nostalgia in it for me as I never played WHFB. And if I did play Old World, I'd be playing Tomb Kings.
Knights on Foot: Again, the models are beautiful, and a great update over the old ones.
Resin Handmaiden lady: I do like the model a lot, but like the rest it's not something I'm likely to ever buy. I'm still not sure why they are making new stuff in resin when they can make great stuff in plastic, a material that is greatly preferred by most players.

AdMech stilt sniper guy: This thing is fething stupid, and not in a "lol but it's 40k" way. Like, one good gust of wind and this guy would be on his cybernetic ass.

The weirdest thing about it is jezzails in warhammer are consistently so big and heavy that they require a second model bracing them with a shield or other reinforcement. This is just a guy, with added disadvantages and apparently only cybernetic below the knees and elbows.

I know the sydonian dragoons can have them as an option, but GW doesn't even bother showing pictures of that setup. The second party pics I can find have it on a mount for the rail across the front of the 'mech.'

There's at least a pretense that a dragoon can brace and lock its multiple leg joints, but Stiltman is just going to fall over. God-machine forbid he ever drop his gun- he's not getting it back. Though the guns are also an issue. Single shot character with those profiles are...forgettable. 2/3rds, 2/3rds and a coin flip to kill a single terminator? Pass.

Its a shame, because the armor and body glove looks really good. Simple, yet striking. Its just all the other stuff.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok, the Scorps will probably come out in a box of 5 like the rest of the Aspect Warriors. We know Scouts will be in boxes of 10.

Low-balling it, given that they're slight, that puts 5 Scorps at AUD$97 (rather than the new improved price of AUD$105, which is what Reapers are). So 10 of them would be AUD$194.

The cheaper (LOL!) of the two 10-man modern Marine kits are the Assault Intercessors at AUD$98 (Hellblasters, Incursors, etc. being AUD$103).

So, together we're looking at AUD$292 worth of minis ($234 after discounts).

Even putting aside the KT terrain in the box, if this new KT box comes out at even AUD$250, it's a saving.

When the Killteam Starter is $120 AUS and includes 2 x 10 man teams, terrain, tokens, rules etc, this box would be insane coming in anywhere near $250 AUS.

There is no way this Kill Team box is less then the latest Warcry box that also has two teams and a single terrain piece and that one is $220 AUD

The Kill Team starter is strangely cheap in AUD, way different than their normal currency conversion. Its £65/€85/$99/$120AUD but for example the Phobos Strike Team is $117AUD so nearly the same but £42.50/€55/$70 in other currencies.
The Warcry starter is $180AUD while being the same price as the Kill Team starter in £

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personal hope is that Kataphrons get condensed and Onagers get squadrons.

If think bring back the old tank squads for them I'll buy at least 3 more. I'd like their forcefield being close to each other back too.

Why would Onagers get squadrons in a edition when squadrons, even for things like Vypers and Support Weapons, lost them?

 ZergSmasher wrote:

I guess that pretty much just leaves Warp Spiders and Fire Dragons with the old models (maybe Swooping Hawks as well? Did they get an update with the last release wave?).

Nope. Hawks still need new models. It was Shining Spears Aspect that got updated https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/aeldari-shining-spears-2022

Spiders need the update most considering how hilariously old they are.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Tyel wrote:
The unmasked faces especially seem bad to me.

I am told by my Eldar buddy that unmasked Aspect Warriors are also complete nonsense as far as lore goes.

To say something nice... I really like the Scouts, and the new Stormcast guy is the coolest model in his faction by a wiiiide margin.

The unmasked ones are a Ynarii thing. They've been doing that for a while now

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW really should just set up a factory in AUS/NZ to localize production so they don't have to upcharge you guys like 300% to cover shipping and import costs.

That would just result in them being upcharged like 400%+ to cover a duplicate set of injection molds and machines. The USA wasn't a big enough market to justify that expense, so I can't imagine Australia is.

 dan2026 wrote:
Spiders need the update most considering how hilariously old they are.

They're clearly saving those for the "40 years of Warp Spiders" series of articles!

Huh. Entirely missed that Necrons are slated to get more new kits/redos . That’s nice.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Huh. Entirely missed that Necrons are slated to get more new kits/redos . That’s nice.

Maybe that RE is from new crons? Anyway new C'tans and destroyers would be great.

I’d settle for updated Destroyers as a minimum.

They were a glow up when first released, being quite close to Jes Goodwin’s concept art. But they have aged since then, especially compared to the much chunkier Heavy Destroyers.

Destroyers are about the only old non-leader models that didn't get an update. I'd say a new destroyer kit which then lets you build a leader as well would be a very much obvious thing for GW to add with an update.

It would mean Necrons would have zero finecast left in the core models outside of heroes. Couple that with a new hero model every few months as a steady trickle of updates and Necrons would be in a great position.

It's just heroes, if Valrak's to be believed.

Still better than the minimum effort new character given to AdMech. I'm happy with the Sydonian Sniper, but it's loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong past time for a bloody plastic Servitor box.

 Kanluwen wrote:
it's loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong past time for a bloody plastic Servitor box.

This, so much this!

It's just mindfriggingboggling that they opted to do a single Gun Servitor in plastic for Combat Arena and then another for the Inquisitorial Agents KT.

But the thing that would be a buy for something like 8 or 9 codices?

Nah.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's just mindfriggingboggling that they opted to do a single Gun Servitor in plastic for Combat Arena and then another for the Inquisitorial Agents KT.

But the thing that would be a buy for something like 8 or 9 codices?

Nah.

There is some higher logic in GW HQ that we mortals cannot comprehend with our simple mids

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Huh. Entirely missed that Necrons are slated to get more new kits/redos . That’s nice.

Maybe that RE is from new crons? Anyway new C'tans and destroyers would be great.

Maybe Orikan got a new looking cloak?

I think I'll call the Admech sniper: Nigel Stiltman


Regardless there's some nice models coming!

 Overread wrote:
Destroyers are about the only old non-leader models that didn't get an update. I'd say a new destroyer kit which then lets you build a leader as well would be a very much obvious thing for GW to add with an update.

It would mean Necrons would have zero finecast left in the core models outside of heroes. Couple that with a new hero model every few months as a steady trickle of updates and Necrons would be in a great position.

Beside marines who gets steady releases

Once codex comes next chance end of edition campaign starting fall 2025.

 Overread wrote:
I'd say a new destroyer kit which then lets you build a leader as well would be a very much obvious thing for GW to add with an update.

So what you're saying is... they're not going to do that and will invent a new minor unit to make instead?

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's just mindfriggingboggling that they opted to do a single Gun Servitor in plastic for Combat Arena and then another for the Inquisitorial Agents KT.

But the thing that would be a buy for something like 8 or 9 codices?

Nah.

There is some higher logic in GW HQ that we mortals cannot comprehend with our simple mids

Is it cocaine? It's cocaine, isn't it?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Huh. Entirely missed that Necrons are slated to get more new kits/redos . That’s nice.

Maybe that RE is from new crons? Anyway new C'tans and destroyers would be great.

Maybe Orikan got a new looking cloak?

I haven't looked at his rules since he was introduced, but back then he had an empowered shape that was basically a C'tan. Maybe this time around he gets two models, a normal and an empowered one?

Assuming that the Scorpions will be a 5-model kit when getting their standalone release (same as Howling Banshees I imagine),
that would imply that the 10-model KT includes parts for two Exarchs, no ?

Since they mentioned in the stream that the kit includes all of the exarch options (Claw, Biting Blade, twin chainswords), I'm hoping
that this last option also has the shuriken gauntlets as seen in Jes' concept art.

http://eldar.arhicks.co.uk/miniatures/eldar/craftworld/striking_scorpions_exarchs_1.php

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I'd say a new destroyer kit which then lets you build a leader as well would be a very much obvious thing for GW to add with an update.

So what you're saying is... they're not going to do that and will invent a new minor unit to make instead?

Darn it don't say that out loud! It will give them ideas!


But yes you are totally right GW does have a strange habit of updating almost everything in an army and then just leaving some stuff totally untouched. I was really surprised to see the new heavy destroyer in the new necron update when the last new edition launched, but no release of new basic destroys through that whole edition. Not in a side game; nor in an update or campaign book or just a straight update as their stats were already out. GW seems to like leaving bits hanging on and part of me wonders if its a marketing thing to keep focus on the army by having these "obvious updates" to act as focal points for online chatter to generate hype when an updated book or such is coming out.

Get everyone talking and hoping really quickly without having to do anything but give a hint that X army is getting updated soon.


Thing is that seems false to me because GW is big enough that even if they just said "Necrons update in November" there'd be loads of chatter even without a clear update model sitting there in the roster. Even fairly modern models people will argue over if they should be updated; or will fight it out to promote their idea of a new thing an army should have

They said on stream that the KT is 2 boxes worth of Scorpions, so yeah two Exarchs would be doable.

 xttz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
GW really should just set up a factory in AUS/NZ to localize production so they don't have to upcharge you guys like 300% to cover shipping and import costs.

That would just result in them being upcharged like 400%+ to cover a duplicate set of injection molds and machines. The USA wasn't a big enough market to justify that expense, so I can't imagine Australia is.

 dan2026 wrote:
Spiders need the update most considering how hilariously old they are.

They're clearly saving those for the "40 years of Warp Spiders" series of articles!

The US was a big enough market for it, we had a factory here - they would produce molds in the UK and ship them here for production (which was a significant expense). The reason they closed it down was more political, there was a lack of skilled labor in Memphis and they couldn't convince folks in the UK to relocate as they were unionized and had better benefits than they would get in the US, etc.

In some ways that's political, but in another its simply that there was a lack of key skills in the market that GW could tap into to make it work. I seem to recall that they went into a crazy situation having to constantly ship staff and machines back and forth when problems arose. Which in the end is daft when its a lot easier just to produce at once site and ship the stuff over.

Indeed that worked for ages until the Pandemic broke international shipping.

Problem with one site is insurance and business continuity. I deal with that at my job, basically we need to have several facilities several states away (preferably the opposite side of the country) able to absorb our work otherwise we are basically considered uninsurable. I have no idea how GW manages with the totality of its operations in a single city.