Big changes in the cast of anything - be it books or shows or films can be very jarring on viewers. Heck in the world of TV/film if you change too many key character actors at the same time it can entirely disengage fans suddenly. A few here and there you can swap in and out or change out, but you can't just change everything.
People get attached to characters, invested in them and losing them means that you're basically starting the show over again.
That's often why series like Avatar the Last Airbender do new whole seasonal blocks when they do it; they know that a "new show" with its own story and seasons can have its own character roster much better than trying to keep it all as one mega-seasonal series. Even if the content if the episodes is identical.
Even big time jumps in the first episode are tricky to manage. People rapidly firm first impressions. That's why TV shows that often do that kind of trick will often use flashbacks. You start with the current state and characters then flashback to the before-times to show how things started. That way the first characters your audience is identifying with are the ones that will be the main characters in the story and everything else is a "flashback"
Also, after seeing a comment on Facebook about Lower Decks crew crossing over into other shows, I now want to see more 'Trouble with Tribbles' crossovers, where successive different crews find themselves mixed up in that story and have to navigate events without screwing up an increasingly complicated mess of timelines...
I think all the Federation cell furniture is wall secreted. But, DS9 is a Cardassian facility. And I can well see them just leaving you to besmirch your pantaloons.
Which would imply Odo and Station Security do toilet trips with those held?
Cursory google turned up no Technical Layout, sadly.
Toilets is something most sci-fi and and fantasy never has. In real world series they don't need to show it cause we know where they are and most scenes/houses and such will have hints as to where they are in the layout.
But in fantasy and sci-fi we rarely if never see toilets. Heck do the exploded diagrams of the Enterprise and such even show them.
We know they are there, but in general we never see them used nor featured. It's not even a point of event that characters leave to relieve themselves.
Overread wrote: Toilets is something most sci-fi and and fantasy never has. In real world series they don't need to show it cause we know where they are and most scenes/houses and such will have hints as to where they are in the layout.
But in fantasy and sci-fi we rarely if never see toilets. Heck do the exploded diagrams of the Enterprise and such even show them.
We know they are there, but in general we never see them used nor featured. It's not even a point of event that characters leave to relieve themselves.
The Defiant-class has toilets in its deck plans. I know because a certain player in my STA game tried pointing their lack of existence out, but I found them.
They are communal (unless you are an officer) on the Defiant.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I think all the Federation cell furniture is wall secreted. But, DS9 is a Cardassian facility. And I can well see them just leaving you to besmirch your pantaloons.
Which would imply Odo and Station Security do toilet trips with those held?
I don't want to say that one has never happened because there's every chance that one might be there in some side episode. But big mechs are not really a thing in the Startrek universe. So even if there is one somewhere its very much going to be a one-off
There might have been one in some video game made; or you might be mixing it up with something like Andromeda which did have some (rarely seen) mechs.
Overread wrote: I don't want to say that one has never happened because there's every chance that one might be there in some side episode. But big mechs are not really a thing in the Startrek universe. So even if there is one somewhere its very much going to be a one-off
There might have been one in some video game made; or you might be mixing it up with something like Andromeda which did have some (rarely seen) mechs.
I was told there was, and I couldn't remember one... at all, even in in classic Trek large computers rarely moved and most robots were man sized or smaller.
LordofHats wrote: I'm not saying the world needs a Mobile Suit Gundam / Star Trek crossover anime, but I mean, would the world really be any worse if we had one?
I've gone back to the 3rd season of The Orville recently and just got to "Tale of Two Topas".
Man... it hit hard when it came out and it sure as hell still hits hard now.
The sorrow from Topa, Bortus and Kelly, the bigoted rage from Klyden. Topa's arc in this show is just amazing from start to finish.
Apparently the original intent was for Savik to return as a half-Romulan agent that was working with the Ambassador in a secret plot but that got cut.
In the novelisation, Valeris is noted to be half-Romulan so the idea was kept somewhere.
As for being present at the Khitomer Accords, they were a really big deal that dealt with more than just peace between the UFP and Klingons. Subspace weapons were banned by the accords, something the So'na ignored.
Having observers and signatories from the other powers in the Quadrant would be only polite.
Just kinda feels like for once in my life, I’ve been a positive influence by shoving that dross into my brain via my eyeholes, and warning all others against repeating.
Just kinda feels like for once in my life, I’ve been a positive influence by shoving that dross into my brain via my eyeholes, and warning all others against repeating.
Nope. Not Entirely Evil Georgiou was my second least favourite part of Discovery (after the loopy Klingon redesign) so had little interest even before the bad reviews.
insaniak wrote: Nope. Not Entirely Evil Georgiou was my second least favourite part of Discovery (after the loopy Klingon redesign) so had little interest even before the bad reviews.
This. I didn't really care for her in Discovery at all.
Ahead of its Season 3 premiere, the end is already in sight for Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Paramount+ announced today it has renewed the series for a fifth and final six-episode season. Production will begin on Season 5 later this year.
Ahead of its Season 3 premiere, the end is already in sight for Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Paramount+ announced today it has renewed the series for a fifth and final six-episode season. Production will begin on Season 5 later this year.
Besides the Academy, is there anything else on the horizon for Trek?
With season 3 of SNW coming up and the announcement it is going until season 5 of course the headline I see for it is "SNW has been Canceled", as if it were done now.
Ahtman wrote: With season 3 of SNW coming up and the announcement it is going until season 5 of course the headline I see for it is "SNW has been Canceled", as if it were done now.
I also saw that.
Newsweek needs it's own version of the Daily Mail song. I swear it's the most manatees in a ball pit publishing outfit I still see in my feed.
Ahtman wrote: With season 3 of SNW coming up and the announcement it is going until season 5 of course the headline I see for it is "SNW has been Canceled", as if it were done now.
I also saw that.
Newsweek needs it's own version of the Daily Mail song. I swear it's the most manatees in a ball pit publishing outfit I still see in my feed.
Ahtman wrote: With season 3 of SNW coming up and the announcement it is going until season 5 of course the headline I see for it is "SNW has been Canceled", as if it were done now.
I also saw that.
Newsweek needs it's own version of the Daily Mail song. I swear it's the most manatees in a ball pit publishing outfit I still see in my feed.
Manatees in a ball pit?
It's a reference to a South Park episode that joked Family Guy jokes were made by manatees in a ball pit. I'm saying their article titles are nonsensical and random (and often contradictory to the actual text of the article).
Just kinda feels like for once in my life, I’ve been a positive influence by shoving that dross into my brain via my eyeholes, and warning all others against repeating.
Nope.
And not likely to either.
1) I don't have P+
2) I didn't like the main character when on Discovery, the shows whole premise doesn't interest me, and NO ONE - IRL or online - who's seen it has had anything positive to say about it.
None of this encourages me to get P+, pick up the eventual DVD/BR, or even to pirate it.
So....
As for SNW ending at season 5?
While I like the show? That's still 3 seasons off. And not really unexpected. Afterall, Kirk does have to eventually take over as Captain.
It took me a while. It was not easy. Not even my AI associates could help me...
BUT!
I found positive reviews of Star Trek: Section 31 (on IMDB).
8/10 Fast Paced and Exciting Entertainment
Similar in pace and feel as the Aliens movie, this is in my opinion, second only to Wrath Of Khan in the entire Star Trek canon in terms of quality. Ah, but there's that troublesome word, "canon". This movie is very definitely NOT in any way representative of all the Star Trek movies and series. With the possible exception of the two part In A Mirror Darkly episode Of Star Trek Enterprise, that is. Or the first Star Trek Kelvin timeline movie. This is not a bad thing, actually. I am one of those who did not much care for the Star Trek The Next Generation series because they were always so very obsessed with the Prime Directive that most of the time I wanted to just slap Jean Luc Picard senseless until he decided to grow a pair. It would have been impossible for the crew to accomplish much of anything because they were always being so caring, considerate and full of empathy. So when they invariably finally came up with a solution for the 52 minute problem at hand, it usually came off as pat, contrived and forced.
Section 31 does not have that problem. It is an action adventure sci-fi roller coaster ride, pure and simple. The characters are not particularly likeable. They're not supposed to be. They are a group of spies and assassins. In fact the only reason I did not give it 10 out of 10 was that they tried to redeem Phillippa Georgiou's story arc towards the end. Somewhat. Kinda like pulling a punch. You're still hitting them in the face, but you're not deliberately trying to kill them. Like that. It lessened the character's impact and threw into question decisions she'd made before and would later make. The opening scene of Section 31 had pretty much trodden that ground already. But this is a very small complaint in what I thought was an excellent movie overall.
This got a LOT of unwarranted poor reviews right out of the box. Don't believe them. Most of the reviews led me to two conclusions. 1) They based their review off the trailer or a synopsis of the film or just watched ten minutes and then left the screening room. Or, 2) The film did not affirm their love everyone and tolerate everything else ethos that Star Trek has been making out with for decades now. All hail the Prime Directive. Or not. Hey. Let's try that, instead.
As the Empress of The Terran Empire Philippa Georgious would say, let's get messy. Draw your own conclusions.
speleorat2003Jan 23, 2025
I bet MDG also compared ST:S31 to Aliens and ST:WoK... just not as favorably.
But! I found not one, but two! 2 positive reviews! After you read this, you will say to yourself, "Surely, if two random people on the internet say a movie is good (10/10), I should totally go watch it!"
[10/10]
Fun space adventure
They should titled it "A Section 31 Adventure". It was a fun space adventure. It was an event in the life of the former emperor Georgiou; it had a mix of spy and action filled with a good fun adventure in the 23rd century. It didn't really mess with canon with those that worry about stuff like that and it centered on work outside the Federation so one got crazy with bending Starfleet protocol. It did well for a series that kept getting chopped down to ultimately and essentially a TV movie for streaming. It was a fun adventure in the style of an episode with a bigger budget, though some of the dialogue was predictable, the cast appeared to have good chemistry.
LouieAxJan 25, 2025
That was definitely worth the hour it took me to find this.
His more famous brother, Jonathan Ross is a pretty decent movie reviewer. The sort to review a film based on its genre, and comment accordingly, giving good and bad points in typically equal measure.
I can’t normally stand him as a TV Presenter, but I do rate him as a fair and balanced movie reviewer.
Paul Ross however? Let’s just say when he’s the only reviewer they can find to say a film is good, you can safely assume said film is a freshly laid Dog Egg with a runny centre, and you’ve forgotten your poop bags too boot.
So there’ll always be some goon willing to give utter crap a positive review*. So I’m not entirely shocked.
*sometimes it’s me! Well. Quite a lot of the time. But just because I like to find redeeming points doesn’t mean I’m blind to the bad.
Honestly I find the comparison to Aliens of all movies to be so utterly random and confusing I'm willing to bet some AI wrote that review. That comparison doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
Apparently SNW costs like Eleveny Billion Dollary Doos an episode or something similar.
I really think they need to just impose a 2-bottle episode a season rule on them and extend the seasons that way.
(Bottle episode=an episode made entirely with existing sets and costumes, few to no guest stars, few to no special effects, usually a cost-saving exercise)
That sort of constraint can make for some really good drama, and I think the cast is up for it. Come on, SNW, I know your cast can do it, can the writers?
Honestly they'd save a lot of money by using as many practical effects and sets as possible, minimizing the expensive CGI and post-production development, and they'd probably make everything look less fake while they were at it.
I have to imagine DS9 saved a lot of money long run with bulk of the show basically the entire show taking place on the same stage that just had all the rooms and spaces they needed.
They used to. TNG, DS9, and Voyager I know were able to reuse a lot of pieces and stuff, which probably saved lot of money over the course of 20 years of production.
Yeah I think they only really lost the Original Series stuff and that's not surprising considering how many years there were between Original Series and even just the films let alone the restart of TNG
LordofHats wrote: They used to. TNG, DS9, and Voyager I know were able to reuse a lot of pieces and stuff, which probably saved lot of money over the course of 20 years of production.
Also the movies.
Enterprise D Battle Bridge set was the same as the Enterprise Bridge from TMP, Khan, Search for Spock and The Voyage Home, just redressed and modified etc. Also the Miranda class, Ambassador class, Courtroom and Cybernetics Lab.
Amazing what you can get away with using just different camera angles and lighting.
The reason the newly introduced Bird of Prey wasn't a Romulan ship and crew in ST III, as the script was originally written, was because Paramount had them reuse the Klingon sets and costumes from TMP.
LordofHats wrote: They used to. TNG, DS9, and Voyager I know were able to reuse a lot of pieces and stuff, which probably saved lot of money over the course of 20 years of production.
A lot was sold off in the 2000s, they had a massive auction called "That's a wrap".
Rewatching SNW season 2 on India's Jio Hotstar service (which for some reason does not have season 1) and just saw the Una courtroom episode. Not sure why they thought having 2 women with 'genetic enhancements' was a good idea, but I digress.
Well written, great legal drama, stirred the heartstrings, I have no idea how this thing cost $35 billion dollars (or whatever).
Reusing sets, props and prosthetics does make sense though.
It’s less cost cutting and more maximising your budget. Which admittedly might seem like a splitting of hairs, but there is a difference.
Cost Cutting = We’re actively reducing your budget
Maximising Budget/Reducing Costs = How can we get the most out of this budget?
If you have an existing, already paid for set? Why pay for another one if you can reuse what exists? If you’ve already a bunch of Klingon uniforms in Wardrobe, with Disruptors, Bat’leth and that? Use them. Sure you’ll need to make alterations to better fit an actor, but that’s a much lower cost than making a whole new one.
It can also allow for grander scenes. If you’ve no Klingon Uniforms in Wardrobe, you can certainly have them made. But your budget will dictate how many, and therefore how many Klingons you can have onscreen at anyone time. But, if you’ve five? You could always pay for another five, giving you more on screen and that.
I do wonder if that’s something studios need to relearn. Your first season is always going to be the most expensive, as you need all the design work to be done and props to be made.
But, after that? Provided an item didn’t get trashed? Reuse it. Sure you’ll need to repair and replace here and there, but you can still make use of what already exists.
If you get a bunch of seasons, then by the end of it? You can take stock of what’s already in the Costume Bucket, and go for much grander scenes. Even if some are by now a bit tatty? They can always be deployed in the background where nobody is looking too hard.
How much an item is used definitely defrays costs and this is where shorter seasons really hurt.
If the Enterprise sets cost $25 million (all numbers are made up) and season 1 has 25 episodes, well now they cost a million an episode. And if you have 8 seasons/200 episodes then they're down to $125 thousand an episode (+costs of upkeep and upgrades of course).
Even labor, if you can offer someone an 8 year contract with such and such raises each season and this cut of the reruns, toys, video games etc then costs are predictable and can be accounted for.
These 10 episode seasons where you have to renegotiate contacts just made each episode more expensive.
That being said... I wonder if the age of binging isn't discouraging 25-episodes seasons (the standard in the broadcast age). Starting a show that had 30 episodes ever is less of a commitment than starting one with 300...
Episode count traditionally is apparently based on Syndication Standards. I guess for those looking for shows to air, they want a firm, minimum airtime for their pennies. 26 episodes = 26 hours, and of that approximately 6.5 hours of ads, and ad revenue.
I do appreciate shorter seasons, as it can means less Guffy Filler, cheapo episodes farted out to pad overall runtime. And Disney+, whatever you feel about a given show, has explored that with Episodes Of Varying Length, again helping to reduce Guffy Filler.
Yet….whilst it makes for a lean production and a decently paced story (well, that’s the dream at least)? By not having Filler Episodes, you miss out on accidental hits. Those intended to be throwaway tales which unexpectedly resonate with the audience, and if taken heed of, can revitalise a show having found new winds.
That mattered a lot to Old Trek, as it fleshed out the universe. X-Files produced some gnarly Monster of the Week which stood head and shoulders above the uninteresting, overly drawn out alien invasion drivel. Supernatural had silly nonsense which nonetheless helped drive character development.
There is a happy medium to be had of course. This isn’t a black or white, entirely binary situation. And both I dare say are different writing disciplines, like the difference between someone who writes weekly comics and someone who writes short stories or novels, just as screenwriting for a 90 or 120 minute movie is a different task entirely to writing a multiple episode serial
For literature the inbetweens do exist. Some comic books are really solid, self contained short stories/novels. Not as long as a text novel, no. But every bit as engrossing. For movies, tv and streaming? We’re seeing some stuff work (Andor, Skellington Crew, Netflix Daredevil stuff) which trod the wire between movie and serial story telling. But not everyone is there yet. And I don’t think any of the three should be discarded.
I think you also have to consider that some of these series are being made by entirely different development teams with different access to technologies and budgets.
In the past with ST you had one setup - but now you've got things being developed in different places and concurrently to each other.
All of which makes it much more complicated to share resources plus you can get the whole "resource guarding" risk where teams don't want to share things in case they get lost/damaged/can't get them back etc.
Of course there are bonuses too - concurrent development means you can keep pressure up and release more whilst something is hot; it can create new approaches and ideas rather than stagnate with the same props and setup which might start to feel "old" or such.
As for the current environment, my impression is that the whole streaming revolution is "FASTER". With TV it seemed like if you could at least breach a first season you'd likely get hired for a bunch more and could sustain yourself. Plus things moved that bit slower.
Steaming feels like a lot of things became faster; both the uptake of new things, but also the potential to get shut down and it seems like shows get commissioned with far fewer seasons or even just season to season.
That said stuff like Star Trek today should be almost cast in iron in terms of being a franchise that can last. Even if a show or season fails another can be raised to replace it fairly swiftly. Which would all suggest that if you could at least keep some of the same production staff; you could in theory just keep rolling assets over.
Of course the fact that they keep jumping styles, timezones; settings and so on likely means that its practically really hard when everything changes all the time. TNG-DS9 and Voyager had a LOT of very similar props, makeup and designs that could flit one to the next (if anything DS9 was the outlier having to develop all those Cardassian sets)
Another example from Just Before Streaming? Battlestar Galactica.
I’ve just started the final season on a re-watch run. Oh my god it has some Guffy Filler. Episodes which just don’t really advance anything.
But….given the show’s story and context? They do kind of work. They can help explore the tensions and boredom of the situation the Colonial Fleet is in. It’s all fine and well for the enlisted personnel of Galactica. But for others in the fleet? What’s there to do day in, day out? The filler sometimes explores that, helping the sense of realism.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On modern Trek? To me it’s too focussed on being Big Glossy Action.
When I go back and consider what I loved about TNG and DS9 was the moral questions. I mean, I do enjoy Treknobabble and that silliness. But it was seeing our crews deal with tricky situations, trying to find The Best Solution. Often this was all pretty superficial (that Tasha Yar one. Yeah. The unfortunately, not sure they thought it through properly, racist one, Wesley And The Planet of the Hotties and Smashed Greenhouse). But when they went deeper?
When they went deeper, we got Drumhead, Measure of a Man, Chain of Command, In The Pale Moonlight and other classics but these are the titles that came immediately to mind.
That’s just kind of missing these days. And the shows are poorer for it.
If we could ever get you to enjoy Lower Decks you'd find they make the same judgement call that a lot of modern Trek is way too action focused compared to earlier.
And yeah the modern stuff lacks a lot of the maturity that you saw in shows likt TNG in the way characters behaved and related to each other.
One reason for the 25/26 episode seasons was to fill 52 weeks a year. 6 months of new episodes, 6 months of reruns, and a week or two for specials or other interruptions.
Perhaps obvious if you grew up in the broadcast age, but might not be if you grew up with streaming as the norm.
And I totally agree. Yes, 25 episodes is HARD, but that's why you have large casts so once or twice a season Barkley or Geordi would get the spotlight. It led to things like the original Lower Decks episode.
Across the multiverse, Blink (the one with the weeping angels) is generally considered one of the best Dr. Who episodes ever. The Doctor is barely in it.
Honestly I feel like a LOT of sequels and reboots these days have the wrong people running things. There's lots of passion there for sure; but when you consider that Who, Star Trek and Star Wars are all doing really well but also butchering their original lore in extreme ways or creating multiple "failed" shows that just fail to really grasp the original fandom - you do have to wonder what the heck is going on.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Though I will remind people Section 31 exists, and sucks more than anything has ever sucked before.
And so there’s every chance Paramount just has completely the wrong people running the show.
Because it's based on the worst Star Trek show that doesn't make a lick of sense (continuity-wise): Discovery.
But, I now firmly believe that Discovery is an Alternate Universe that started with First Contact, then Enterprise to Discovery and Strange New Worlds.
Because it's hard to wedge those stories and their tech levels (Holo-Emmitters in every room) into the original series/TNG/DS9/Voyager.
Let alone the fact that the SNW Enterprise is 1.5 times bigger than the TOS Enterprise... to go with the bigger than the Sovereign-Class Enterprise E, USS Discovery. (And later Disco-A ((because refits get new ship names??)) when it gets launched into wacky future-land).
/Rant
Ugh. What a terrible show. Who would've thought that Ensign Rivers from Enterprise would make a better Starship Captain and have the better episodes?
It explains why SNW Kirk looks different. We are all products of a one in a billion collision of a specific sperm and egg at a specific time.
Your great-great-grand is late for work and too tired about 9 months before your birthdate, and guess what? 9 months, 10 months, 2 years later a quite similar but different person pops out. A brother or sister, but not you.
Any time travel, no matter how quiet you keep it, runs the risk of altering births, and people down the road.
This always bugs me in any alternate timeline story. If the Nazis won, if Roman never fell, if JFK wasn't shot, if I had some beers with the grandpa I never met on the wrong day... I would not be here. There might be someone with the same name and same parent, but not me.
Automatically Appended Next Post: LOL Strange New World S2 Episode 3 CONFIRMS just that!
"This was supposed to happen in 1992 and I have been stuck her for 30 years!"
Finally got bored enough to watch Section 31. That was… a rather mediocre generic sci-fi action movie. There was nothing Really Star Trek about it besides a couple organization name drops. The organizations themselves don’t even matter. No classic aliens feature in it. None of the tech or setting really fits. It was all just… really generic. Also man were all the mysteries and who done its really obvious.
Did you find the Oirish Not A Vulcan as irritating as I did?
Not just the god awful accent. But also the “this is my encounter suit, meant to blend in, so naturally I’ll take every pain possible to ensure I stand out as a Very Unusual Vulcan” thing.
Or indeed that Georgiou not only knew what the device was and what it did, but also the sodding thing was gene locked to her and her alone, making the entire pursuit frankly worthless?
But….this from TNG’s second season, when it was still finding its feet.
Where is this in modern Trek?
Strange New Worlds is definitely my favorite of the 2010s+ Trek.
Lower Decks is cute, but SNW is a drop everything put that on, kind of show. And by 'drop everything' I mean wait a few months for the run to complete then subscribe to Paramount for a month before dropping it again.
Una/Number One is put on trial for joining Star Fleet despite genetic enhancements and lying about it. Well done indictment of Federation hypocrisy, good analogy for present politics, nice legal maneuvers. The whole show is worth watching.
Not just the god awful accent. But also the “this is my encounter suit, meant to blend in, so naturally I’ll take every pain possible to ensure I stand out as a Very Unusual Vulcan” thing.
Or indeed that Georgiou not only knew what the device was and what it did, but also the sodding thing was gene locked to her and her alone, making the entire pursuit frankly worthless?
That guy was terrible. Just a technically from Star Trek but not really detail since they have the IP. Hell, the super weapon was kind of pointless, it was just a bomb? Like, not even a terribly good one? They detonated it within transporter range and got out fine. And that thing was supposed to disrupt all of Starfleet?
It's the same as how a LOT of shows often use the same outdoors desert region and rocks. Mostly because it was one of the few accessible rural areas that could be reached in a day without having to travel to a set and thus cost the company way more (I believe inflated too because of limits imposed by the actors unions too).
Caves are often used just because the studio is in the middle of a city and they don't have ready access to loads of outdoor regions so they've got studio caves to setup.
lord_blackfang wrote: But now explain why half the planets in Stargate are covered in canadian pines
That's easy - plantations
What's always more confusing is why every single world basically has an unguarded stargate even right in the middle of their territories. Heck a good many aren't even anywhere near the settlements they harvest/enslave. You'd think those portals would be right in the middle of their settlements - with guards around them and everything.
Esp if you know there's a group of pesky humans always popping up destroying stuff
lord_blackfang wrote: But now explain why half the planets in Stargate are covered in canadian pines
That's easy - plantations
What's always more confusing is why every single world basically has an unguarded stargate even right in the middle of their territories. Heck a good many aren't even anywhere near the settlements they harvest/enslave. You'd think those portals would be right in the middle of their settlements - with guards around them and everything.
Esp if you know there's a group of pesky humans always popping up destroying stuff
Oh easy the defended ones blow up the drone, so they only visit the safe ones...
True, but even so!! Also amazing they never built their own irises or that the Earth faction never really made it a big thing to fit them onto other world Stargates.
Granted that kind of escalation is one they'd lose since it was ages before they had spacecraft to get around locked gates; but still you'd think locking down the network would have been a majorly important point.
For the Goa’uld, until us filthy little tech monkies decide to go ram raiding their worlds, there wasn’t really anyone to challenge them.
The Tolan homeworld was very well defended, but they had no space fleet. Provided the Goa’uld left them alone, they weren’t too much of a bother.
But the Tau’ri are thievey and clever. The second we get off our homeworld, there we are, nicking everything and anything that isn’t nailed down, and if given half a chance, prising the nails loose, then swiping the nails as well.
lord_blackfang wrote: But now explain why half the planets in Stargate are covered in canadian pines
That's easy - plantations
What's always more confusing is why every single world basically has an unguarded stargate even right in the middle of their territories. Heck a good many aren't even anywhere near the settlements they harvest/enslave. You'd think those portals would be right in the middle of their settlements - with guards around them and everything.
Esp if you know there's a group of pesky humans always popping up destroying stuff
I assumed it was common for the first attack to be sending a bomb through. That explains why you don’t want to build your city around it. Why there aren’t guards or defensive works….maybe the bombs got them?
So I put Star Trek: First Contact in in the background- and then was introduced to the fact that there's some high pitched drilling sounds in the film, that I didn't remember.
...
Which brings me to thus question.
When you want to "watch a Star Trek movie" what film to you think of?
When I, and other British Dakkanauts of similar undisclosed vintage, were Nippers, we basically had 4 terrestrial channels, and a VHS if you were somewhat lucky.
Which meant we had to wait for movies on the TV. Search for Spock was the one I most often saw (maybe grandparents had recorded it, but don’t quote me on that)
Wrath of Khan I have a very, very specific memory of. That everytime it was on, we weren’t just having a day out, but were on our way home. And had stopped in at the same Chippy. Specifically one near Blackhall in Edinburgh. I don’t think it’s there anymore, but was next door to, or a couple of doors down, from the Blackhall Lounge.
So there’s some odds and ends from my sad brain and it’s random memories for you.
I was watching Star Trek Voyager Season 3, and about to head into Season 4. When I decided to learn why Jennifer Lien (aka Kes) left the show.
Whew. Mental issues and poor storylines. Jennifer had a bad time with life after Voyager. Including multiple arrests for indecent exposure and other things. She no longer acts and has gone into the medical field.
It makes me sad when people don't succeed in life. It also makes me sad when I realize I have 4 more seasons of Voyager to watch. (It's still better than Discovery).
Second episode is a much more playful tone. Not the K-Pop playful.
That was apparently supposed to be
Spoiler:
Trelane
(Not confirmed in dialogue and not mentioned in the credits, but seeing them side by side I can see it)
Confirming a long held fanon/expanded universe theory that
Spoiler:
Trelane is a Q!
Yes it's nostalgia porn, but I love when modern trek goes and backfills areas of canon from the older series
