Eh, not too interested in Hamelin. There are a lot of other models in the book which are way cooler. The other stuff is good though. Looking forward to the guns in particular. Not a lot of people do conversions on their Malifaux models.
Dez wrote:Gr3y the game is really, really fun and easy to pick up. You can get into it for roughly $50 if you are including the new rulebook.
They'll be releasing a PDF with the core rules too. The $15 version will have more content, but the PDF will have everything you need to play from my understanding.
I've been waiting for Mechanical Doves, but they're slightly underwhelming. I'm not a fan of how one is significantly higher and different than another.
Hamelin, the Overpowered is also surprisingly underwhelming for such a broken master. All other masters look sinister or powerful. Hamelin looks like he's actually suffering from his plague. Ah well, he's still going to wreck face and be overpowered.
Love the rats. The Terrier is interesting as well...
A little puzzled as to what the 'Drill Sergeant' is supposed to be doing, and what is going on with his right hand. The pose, the facial expression and the slightly slap-dash outfit all sort of combine to not at all say 'Drill Sergeant' to me. Just some random guy with a truncheon.
insaniak wrote:Love the rats. The Terrier is interesting as well...
A little puzzled as to what the 'Drill Sergeant' is supposed to be doing, and what is going on with his right hand. The pose, the facial expression and the slightly slap-dash outfit all sort of combine to not at all say 'Drill Sergeant' to me. Just some random guy with a truncheon.
The creepy kids are kind of awesome, though.
It's hard to make out exactly what's on his hand but I read his pose as yelling "You 'orrible little maaggot!" in the face of some hapless recruit.
I'm loving so much of the stuff Wyrd is putting out. It makes me wish I had more time to paint and play. Snow Storm and the Desperate Mercs are great stuff.
I really dig Malifaux, and the minis they are putting out are fantastic.
I also noticed this comment about their resin bases on their website :
Hey folks,
Just a heads up, had some malicious gremlins get into our resin bases and we're having to dig back in with some new equipment as they weren't quite up to the standard we at Wyrd are happy to put out.
In the mean time, the bases have been released as metal base inserts as our normal line of these have been in the past as we move forward to working out the kink in producing these in the quantities, and quality, that are sufficient for our needs.
News Type: News Items
Start Date: June 6, 2011
End Date: June 6, 2011
Just posted it because I saw a direct parrallel to the GW finecast. Except in this case they halted production and let everyone know they were going to fix the problem. Wyrd seems to have it right!
Wow! Those sewers look really great. That's not a sentance I ever thought I'd use.
I really need to actually pick up the rules to this game. I bought the Cult of December pack on a whim because the models struck me, and was very impressed with the quality of the figures and packaging. Wyrd seems to be one to watch.
When we saw it last year for the first time everyone very exited about it... then at a expo (gencon?) they previewed it and it was a huge fiasco lots of problems with cardboard etc ... one year latter things do look better but I will wait to see some reviews.
The terrain is about as good as you can get with cardboard - there's a place for cardboard terrain, but I personally find it too flimsy and fragile. But if someone made a plastic version of that sewer system, I'd buy it in a flash...
Actually, on the Wyrd boards, Eric said that basically what you see in the pics is 1.5 boxes. Which I think is pretty amazing. So I buy 2 boxes ($100) and have more than enough (meaning I can switch stuff out) for a fully-terrained, modifiable Malifaux table? Yes, please.
I'm super-excited about Terraclips. I have little enough time to model and paint as it is; there's no way I can make terrain, too!
They are preview pics in the forum with that info attached, the official pics on the cover show less material as appropriate.
And as said, the number of pieces is probably the same, just not the selection.
World Works Games wrote:We finally had the opportunity to pull together a layout using all 3 products this past week. Below you'll see a bit of Streets, a dash of Buildings and a snortel of Sewers (I don't recommend snorteling sewers!)
USAGE NOTES:
Streets: In terms of the Streets used in the below photos, what you see there is less than one box. There are a few city infrastructure walls from Streets scattered throughout, elevating buildings and generally supporting the ramped street section. We hope to have more streets dedicated shots later next week.
Buildings: The Buildings used in the overview shot represents just under 2 boxes. There remained a healthy mix of roofing, walls, tiles, ladders, stairs in the left overs pile.
Of course, this is all sitting on top of the Sewers layout which we previewed for you last week
HOW MUCH IS IN EACH BOX?
Below these photos you'll find a breakdown of contents for each product which will help you determine your mileage. Because TerraClips allows you the freedom to design any layout, as high or as low as desired, it can be challenging to sum up what you can do with the product. What we're showing you here is where you can ultimately take your layouts with just a couple boxes of each product (with a ton of leftovers mind you).
We hope to further clarify how far you can push an individual box of content in coming weeks. You can expect a long and thorough range of overview support in the form of tutorials and general community support as we move forward.
We'll get there eventually
DON'T FORGET TO ORDER CLIPS!
Remember; clips are NOT included with the core product so don't forget to order your TerraClips Connector Combo Pack. Each connector pack comes with 40 t-clips, 40 i-clips and 40 L-clips and retails for $18.00 USD. We used approximately 1 box per product to achieve the large layout we're showing (so about 6 clip boxes total). There's nothing more frustrating than running out of the right clips so always air on the side of more clips.
What are those counters I see ?
looks like corpse scrap some kind of a neverborn faction counter.
Are you making these as well?
I would buy a malifaux counter set the second it went up.
You caught our little secret bonus. We've included Malifaux tokens in every set which match the underlying terrain textures. There's even blank token punch outs that you can use for basing your miniatures so that they match the terrain.
The neat thing about them is that they are general enough to be used in other games as well.
Look around what World Works is able to do graphically here: http://www.worldworksgames.com/store/ (also Scifi, Gothic and Pulp).
Now they have managed the Terraclips technology, only the sky (and customer demand) is the limit
Wow... that's REALLY tempting actually. I was a little put off by having to buy clips separately at first, but really it is a good way to go so you aren't losing some clips and not being able to put together stuff without buying another pack. 50$ per and 20$ for clips is a bit salty, but then again 120-140$ bucks for two boxes, two sets of clips and a table full of really, REALLY nice looking paper terrain that is so modular is pretty darned good. As Tim points out these would be really good for Warmachine/Hordes, or Mordheim, DnD... damned near anything that needs not really futuristic, not early medieval terrain.
Well played Wyrd. Well played indeed!
OH, and matching token and base inserts? BRILLIANT!
Damn.
Just when I was about to sip the Kool Aid. LOL I was looking at those images, thinking "That's a damned nice set up for a $200 investment..." Then I caught the part about the clips not being included.
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That's kind of balls.
MagickalMemories wrote:Damn.
Just when I was about to sip the Kool Aid. LOL I was looking at those images, thinking "That's a damned nice set up for a $200 investment..." Then I caught the part about the clips not being included.
: (
That's kind of balls.
Eric
Well, you can do some searching around the internet. FRPGames is pre-ordering the boxes at 40, and the clips at 14.39 (us).
So for everything displayed so far: (1.5 sewers, 1 street, 2 housings (each one with lots left over)) in the pictures, you are looking at 5 boxes, and 5 clips. thats a roughly 300 investment. However, 200 for 1 of each box will create alot of cool layouts.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Wait, wait... hold up. You don't get clips in the box?
ya, i could have sworn their original listings had each of these coming with a pack of clips myself. i really like these for what they are, but having to pay separably for clips basically puts these at about $70 usd a box which is really pushing it for me.
i really want to like these to and they are filling a void style wise that i like, but..
*edit* although now that i think about it..i rem saying to myself when looking at the listings before, how the hell are they putting a full pack of clips inside that thin box?..lol
H.B.M.C. wrote:Wait, wait... hold up. You don't get clips in the box?
This was my thought too, I already ordered my Sewer set some time ago from thewarstore, and I did not buy a pack of clips. Ugh, just ugh. I swear it said it came with a pack of connectors... I admit, I'm irked about this.
Yeah, that's super-lame. I'll still buy some; that $18 isn't going to price me out of the product, but still, the principle is: you don't get everything you need in one box to put it together. That sucks.
I can understand selling extra connectors for more complex designs, or even using extra connectors with what's in the box to enhance what's already there, but to not actually include the basic means to assemble the kit within the kit itself... that seems a bit harsh... especially when 'clips' is part of the product's name.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I can understand selling extra connectors for more complex designs, or even using extra connectors with what's in the box to enhance what's already there, but to not actually include the basic means to assemble the kit within the kit itself... that seems a bit harsh... especially when 'clips' is part of the product's name.
I find 50usd for paper terrain way to expensive and 20 usd for clips??? are they gold clips? Sorry to seem so harsh but the material here is not on this level of prices... No way I will get these... I don't care how cool the prints are but they are just that prints... Oh and paper for decorating bases got to be the most crappy base system on the planet...
Itybih2ku wrote:
Well, you can do some searching around the internet. FRPGames is pre-ordering the boxes at 40, and the clips at 14.39 (us).
So for everything displayed so far: (1.5 sewers, 1 street, 2 housings (each one with lots left over)) in the pictures, you are looking at 5 boxes, and 5 clips. thats a roughly 300 investment. However, 200 for 1 of each box will create alot of cool layouts.
So, for more than the retail cost of a box, you can get what (I and others feel) should have come in the box in the first place?
Not impressed.
I've got to reiterate... Almost everything Wyrd has done, up to this point, has impressed or pleased me. This is the first thing they've done that I have any negative feelings about (I'm not quite yet including the "no Malifaux RPG disappointment" that I have. LOL). Still, though... It's a pretty big disappointment for me.
As for no clips in the box - they're doing it that way because some people wanted to be able to just glue the kits together instead of using the clips.
So, seperate kits for the clips and the terrain allows people who want to do that to get hold of the kit at a lower price point.
The clips being seperate also allows you to build up a library of terrain, but only needing a certain amount of clips.
They felt that if they included the clips in the box, you would eventually end up with far too many clips that you've paid money for but aren't using.
In general, the product is targeted at people who don't want to have to print/cut-out/ stick-together their own cardstock terrain and are willing to pay for that.
The only issue with this that they seriously need to sort out is their pre-orders from people who ordered when the box still clearly stated "clips included".
That won't fly. They'll have to give out a free pack to the people who pre-ordered, or their reputation amongst their most loyal fans (the ones that pre-ordered and parted with cash a year ago) is going to be butchered.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Wait, wait... hold up. You don't get clips in the box?
This was my thought too, I already ordered my Sewer set some time ago from thewarstore, and I did not buy a pack of clips. Ugh, just ugh. I swear it said it came with a pack of connectors... I admit, I'm irked about this.
I should point out that this decision does not appear to have been made by Wyrd, but rather by the terrain makers, World Works Games. For those interested in how this was addressed, the thread on their forums that Kroot linked earlier pretty much became consumed with the issue of not having clips in the sets.
For people that pre-ordered, you might want to make an account over there to pipe up.
Personally, I find the idea pretty foolish, especially given that the original solicitations apparently claimed that the packages would contain clips.
I was on the fence regarding the product with my only concern being whether or not the clips themselves will scratch the cardboard when I disassemble. However, the lack of included clips is a terrible oversight; this alone will hurt reviews, sales, and overall opinion of the product.
The product is advertised as $49, but the actual cost is $67. When I buy a model from another game system, I already have tons of glue, paint, and other materials at home. However, this product requires a special clip in order to function as advertised. Therefore, nobody is going to have extra clips just lying around the apartment.
I really advise Wyrd and Worldworks to sell this product for the $67 it is. It'll alleviate the problems associated with customer ignorance when they forget to buy clips with their first purchase. It'll cause retailers problems because their distributors never told them about this issue. It'll cause customers problems when they order online. It'll simply cause problems.
I love Wyrd and everything they do, but this product is in for a rough start.
NAVARRO wrote:Oh and paper for decorating bases got to be the most crappy base system on the planet...
Those are counters. Similar to Infinity, Malifaux utilizes 25mm-base-sized counters to signify corpses, scrap piles, treasures, dynamite, walls of fire, and various other events that happen in the game. It's a blessing that these counters are flat and not textured because gameplay allows you to walk your models on top of these counters.
NAVARRO wrote:Oh and paper for decorating bases got to be the most crappy base system on the planet...
Those are counters. Similar to Infinity, Malifaux utilizes 25mm-base-sized counters to signify corpses, scrap piles, treasures, dynamite, walls of fire, and various other events that happen in the game. It's a blessing that these counters are flat and not textured because gameplay allows you to walk your models on top of these counters.
Yes I agree great for counters but they said:
World Works Games wrote:
What are those counters I see ?
looks like corpse scrap some kind of a neverborn faction counter.
Are you making these as well?
I would buy a malifaux counter set the second it went up.
You caught our little secret bonus. We've included Malifaux tokens in every set which match the underlying terrain textures. There's even blank token punch outs that you can use for basing your miniatures so that they match the terrain.
The neat thing about them is that they are general enough to be used in other games as well.
Grot 6 wrote:Serious question is to just tell them to pack it and just get yourself some of the print and paste stuff that is out there on line FOR FREE.
1.) I am not aware of really good free prints out there. Some are free, but they are mediocre at best.
2.) The designer World at Works sells pdf's for years for reasonable prices.
3.) If you get the cardboard into your printer, it is not nearly sturdy enough, simple as that. You need to buy balsa, glue, print paper, print colour and need hours of cutting and assembly.
These boxes are a major improvement for RPG and skirmish games, for people who want a atmospheric plug and play terrain.
Guess one reason for this packaging was that clips are already an existing product, you need less clips than terrain, and that including clips to a stack of cardboard sheets is kind of awkward packagewise.
Grot 6 wrote:Those sets arn't even that good, I can do better with styro and some balsawood.
... and a graphic designer education and three months free time.
Grot 6 wrote:Serious question is to just tell them to pack it and just get yourself some of the print and paste stuff that is out there on line FOR FREE.
1.) I am not aware of really good free prints out there. Some are free, but they are mediocre at best.
2.) The designer World at Works sells pdf's for years for reasonable prices.
3.) If you get the cardboard into your printer, it is not nearly sturdy enough, simple as that. You need to buy balsa, glue, print paper, print colour and need hours of cutting and assembly.
These boxes are a major improvement for RPG and skirmish games, for people who want a atmospheric plug and play terrain.
Guess one reason for this packaging was that clips are already an existing product, you need less clips than terrain, and that including clips to a stack of cardboard sheets is kind of awkward packagewise.
Grot 6 wrote:Those sets arn't even that good, I can do better with styro and some balsawood.
... and a graphic designer education and three months free time.
The design was 3 years or so of jacking around and chasing tail.
Free time? hardly. I can do it on my computer, or if you want tactile 3d stuff, as in Virdune bits, polystyrine, and plaster, thats going to cost you.
My sets can go for 3-400 bucks, tops.
Seriously though? If you want to DIY, you can do it big. 10 bucks tops for the materials, a couple of hours for the build.
The stuff is out there for you to print off the texture, the cardstock or heavy cardboard paneling, and you can cut and paste them for perminent or in sections for trading around and building in your own fashion.
Not going to take you much more then standard 3d scenery tools, elmers glue, and cardstock.
Those sets are ok, if you want to pay 60 bucks or so for them, but if your on a slim dime, my way is better. Those of us in the know know how its done.
More information including release dates and prices. All of these releases will be available at the Wyrd booth and online at Wyrd's store during Gen Con (Aug 4-7).
Gen Con 2011 Convention Exclusives Not sold anywhere after the convention has concluded.
Nightmare Edition Teddy - $50.00 (Gen Con limited release only)
Nightmare Edition Dead Justice Box Set - $50.00 (Gen Con limited release only)
(includes Lady Justice / Dead Doxy, Judge / Samurai Punk Zombie, Death Marshal / Guild Autopsy, Death Marshal / The Drowned, Death Marshal / Crooked Man)
Miss Demeanor, Female Convict Gunslinger - special edition miniature - 1 free with $100 or greater purchase
Malifaux Twisting Fates Book - $35.00 (Sep)
Includes Avatar rules and Avatar stats for all Malifaux Masters plus new Minions for all factions
7 New Malifaux Avatars
Justice, Avatar of Balance - $35.00 (Nov)
Kirai, Avatar of Vengeance - TBD (Feb 2012)
Zoraida, Avatar of Fate - $35.00 (Jan 2012)
Sonnia, Avatar of Conflagration - $40.00 (Sep)
Seamus, Avatar of Dread - $35.00 (Oct)
Marcus, Avatar of Instinct - $30.00 (Feb 2012)
Pandora, Avatar of Insanity (includes Candy) - $40.00 (Nov)
I will now follow Wyrd Miniature releases more closely as I will start playing this game, beginning with the Ophelia Gremlin gang and the Japanese Ghosts.
Rather strange that they're releasing an Avatar of Kirai, a recent character. Either way, I guess Lilith and Rasputina are in the 'second wave' of Avatars. I hope these alternative models come with alternative rules; Hamelin already has two forms.
MagickalMemories wrote:Now, if they would just get a Malifaux RPG in the works.
Man. I'd ditch AD&D for that!
Eric
I am still learnng, but the game looks like a small RPG if you take the background material and scenarios seriously.
And maybe Deadlands is not that far off.
Zatsuku wrote:I think Wyrd's art style has really taken a hit with the new book and it translates into the models.
Besides Sonnia I don't really like any of it, it looks very amateur.
Their covers, title pages, and the black and white doll sketches have always been borderline amateur looking. I'm not really seeing a change there, but then I think most of these models are quite good.
MagickalMemories wrote:Now, if they would just get a Malifaux RPG in the works.
Man. I'd ditch AD&D for that!
Eric
I am still learnng, but the game looks like a small RPG if you take the background material and scenarios seriously.
And maybe Deadlands is not that far off.
I asked about it on the forums once, and even emailed someone (N. Caroaland, IIRC) and received responses along the lines of "We can't really discuss any products that may or may not be coming out, but keep you eyes on the forum."
I can't get to Wyrd from work, and my home internet time tends to be spotty, outside of certain obligations. So, I don't get on their forums as much as I'd like. When I do get there, though, I can't find any discussion of an RPG. Not even people asking for one.
Presuming they have one, I'd like to be in the beta for it, like I was with the release of the 2nd book.
Can't find a link to the company that is promising since January to do some bamboo bases for Wyrd. Anyone has it? Or an alternative japanese style base?
Wyrd Miniatures have been posting a veritable tidal wave of concept art, greens and painted examples of Malifaux miniatures:
Molly, Alt. Lady Justice green, Carver, Alt. Colette, Alt. Pandora painted, Alt. Ramos painted, 29, Collete Avatar, Kira Avatar:
This, maybe referring to the number of arms (also a number in the twenties ):
Seriously, though, I love all these minis. I've been wanting to play Malifaux pretty much ever since I heard of it... this just makes me want to throw all of my money at Wyrd, and then rob banks and throw their money at Wyrd.
Finally. I've been waiting for Kaeris since the second book came out.
I question that "29" as well. I don't recall anything by that name. The closest resemblance I could find is a new Desolation Engine.
It's likely something new from the third book.
Absolutionis wrote:I question that "29" as well. I don't recall anything by that name. The closest resemblance I could find is a new Desolation Engine.
It's likely something new from the third book.
combat engineer wrote:What can this game system be compared to? the models look great, the terrain clip system seems pretty solid. I maybe interested in starting this up.
Mat
Its fairly different than most of the major things in the market. Instead of dice you use a 54 car deck (jokers). They use their own special decks, but they are direct analogs of a standard deck. (4 suits, 13 cards per suit, 2 jokers). It is a I activate a unit, you activate a unit style of game.
As for the Terraclips. The good news is that the terrain is generic enough to be used for many types of games. It would even work in WHFB, as a 6" wide terrain piece can hold almost any unit in the game.
I believe you can download the rulebook for free from the website, but the PDF is locked to prevent copy/paste and Print. But if you want a feel for the game you can do that.
Also, if you want to test out the game, the bases are simple circules, and the height figure gives you a height (not perfect, but good enough for playtests). You can make some simple tubes with pictures of the figures to test them out. I even have a blank template over on the forums I posted. All you have to do is copy/past into the ppt to get a tube.
combat engineer wrote:What can this game system be compared to? the models look great, the terrain clip system seems pretty solid. I maybe interested in starting this up.
Mat
Either a CCG with a pulse, or when PP first started out, with thier four or five basic boxed sets, then started slowly adding in the other stuff.
The game is pretty personal in its playstyle. You get to really get in depth into the games.
That interwoven story that has been running through the books doesn't hurt either. ( theres small snippets of a long drawn out story about the faction characters and how they inter relate, and thier mindsets that continuly evolves through the website, the rulebook,and the new book, as well.
There is some realy deep dark stuff out there in the wierd west...
Agreed regarding Puppet Wars. Not a successful venture at all in my mind.
As for the above: IMO, the terraclips are pretty substandard. The old Mordheim card buldings are much better because of how they incorporate the plastic. I understand that the ability to change the terrain up is a selling point for the terraclips, but I think they'd have had a more successful product had they gone with Mordheim style ones with plastic windows, corners, etc.
cincydooley wrote:Agreed regarding Puppet Wars. Not a successful venture at all in my mind.
As for the above: IMO, the terraclips are pretty substandard. The old Mordheim card buldings are much better because of how they incorporate the plastic. I understand that the ability to change the terrain up is a selling point for the terraclips, but I think they'd have had a more successful product had they gone with Mordheim style ones with plastic windows, corners, etc.
Puppet wars could have been great, early concepts of the game were awsome, quick, fun and easy to play. Through the iterations it turned into a complicated mess.
If I was a company looking to put out paper terrain I would have gone and found whatever group of people created the GW paper terrain and demanded they made me some. From what I've seen Terraclips isn't selling well, atleast in my area.
Now don't get me wrong, Malifaux is still one of my favorite games
Terraclips looks an interesting concept, but the coverage of a single pack, and having to buy the clips seperately kind of puts me off
I think guys up the club play it. I think I might give it a whirl. Though my pathlogical aversion to Steampunk might continue to put me off, even if not all the gangs/whatever include it.
Catyrpelius wrote:If I was a company looking to put out paper terrain I would have gone and found whatever group of people created the GW paper terrain and demanded they made me some. From what I've seen Terraclips isn't selling well, atleast in my area.
1.) They contacted the currently best selling paper terrain company, World Works to do it. And I am satisfied with the result.
2.) The first run sold out immediately, so sales haven't been that bad.
3.) Puppet's War doesn't interest me. With the other miniatures it is like this: Some fractions inspire me, some not at all. Now I am waiting for those that interest me.
There are some gems among this months releases, but some duds too. I have waited some time for Rogue necromancy and it is looking so bland to be unholy mixture of resurrected body parts. The arcanist releases look really good though especially the Female gunsmith and mechanical rider. Kaeris gets special mention as it looks light, which is hard to achieve with figs.
Catyrpelius wrote:I'm not really liking where Wyrd has been going lately with their games.
Eh? Hasn't it been in the same direction they've always been going?
No their art and sculpting style has changed fairly dramastically in the past 6 months and its something that I'm not perticullary a fan of.
The Avatar rules are clumsy and pointless.
Puppet Wars is just...Terible.
Every sculpt I can think of has been an exact copy of the artwork from Rising Powers, so not really sure what you're getting at there.
Haven't seen Twisting Fates yet, so I can't be sure on the Avatar stuff, but I'm leaning towards your opinion as well. Would have preferred to just have new masters instead. Now I'm hearing rumors that book 4 will not have new masters either, but possibly a few henchman. Think that's kinda lame too, if true.
Puppet Wars is terrible.
I don't get terraclips at all either, and would never buy it. We are modelers, damnit, 3d terrain is the only way to go.
NAVARRO wrote:Puppet wars minis are some of coolest things released this year.
Puppet Wars minis are awsome! I have a set just becuase of how cool they are. Its Puppet Wars gameplay that kills it though, I would best describe it as "clunky"
Wyrd has put Malifaux in a much more serious direction than the comedy we used to get, do I like it? I thnk so, I like the new stuff and all of these alternative sculpts look great.
NAVARRO wrote:Puppet wars minis are some of coolest things released this year.
Puppet Wars minis are awsome! I have a set just becuase of how cool they are. Its Puppet Wars gameplay that kills it though, I would best describe it as "clunky"
If you buy all boosters and you manage to sell the game box contents ( except the exclusive puppets) then its a god deal.
Dammit,dammit,dammit! Why did I have to go and actually read this thread after skipping over it for so long? It's bad enough I've got a Teddy ordered, but I'm not really looking to get into a new game or collection of minis, as much as Malifaux has tempted me. With all this sweet stuff coming out, I may not have a choice though.
hungryp wrote:Dammit,dammit,dammit! Why did I have to go and actually read this thread after skipping over it for so long? It's bad enough I've got a Teddy ordered, but I'm not really looking to get into a new game or collection of minis, as much as Malifaux has tempted me. With all this sweet stuff coming out, I may not have a choice though.
Do it, you won't be disappointed with the minis. As for the game, I've only played it twice and really enjoyed the change of pace from 40k. I use it as a filler for when I have a need for something fresh.
NAVARRO wrote:Puppet wars minis are some of coolest things released this year.
Puppet Wars minis are awsome! I have a set just becuase of how cool they are. Its Puppet Wars gameplay that kills it though, I would best describe it as "clunky"
If you buy all boosters and you manage to sell the game box contents ( except the exclusive puppets) then its a god deal.
And therein lies the problem. I'd love to have a few of the minis, but I have no interest in the game whatsoever. Further, I'd have to purchase multiple boosters if I wanted the minis that I want.
Personally, I think that the Puppet Wars minis would have benefitted from being a bit bulkier, either ala the chibi style of the Super Dungeon Explore minis, or more along the lines of the Tor Miniatures minis. Some of them are just a bit too frail to me.
NAVARRO wrote:Puppet wars minis are some of coolest things released this year.
Puppet Wars minis are awsome! I have a set just becuase of how cool they are. Its Puppet Wars gameplay that kills it though, I would best describe it as "clunky"
If you buy all boosters and you manage to sell the game box contents ( except the exclusive puppets) then its a god deal.
And therein lies the problem. I'd love to have a few of the minis, but I have no interest in the game whatsoever. Further, I'd have to purchase multiple boosters if I wanted the minis that I want.
Personally, I think that the Puppet Wars minis would have benefitted from being a bit bulkier, either ala the chibi style of the Super Dungeon Explore minis, or more along the lines of the Tor Miniatures minis. Some of them are just a bit too frail to me.
I've played the game a few times and loved it. I think the activation system is very innovative and fun. Don't really see the clunky criticism.
But I agree, the models could have been a bit better. I'd go the opposite route of Catyrpelius, I'm tempted to use the online rules and my Malifaux models to play, and just use a chessex grid for the board and not bother with the models. I'm not going to miss out on the gameplay, but more and more the puppet look is dimming for me.
I love the Malifaux game, it's mechanics and the models.
I've just realized recently, however, that I will never get into it like Warhammer 40K. I will never play it more than casually and never beyond my current game group.
IMO, Malifaux is falling into the trap that a lot of these skirmish games have dropped into. There are few constants. Every book is filled with a slew of individual models, rather than sizeable units. This would equate to GW making 40K armies into nothing but hordes of independent characters.
Every new book that comes out adds dozens of new individuals (or small groups) that you have to become familiar with in order to play competetively.
You've got to be able to look at your opponent's list, ascertain how each individual group or model works with each of the others, their synergies and how they are going to feed off of each other.
I know it's comparing apples and oranges, but there are stiill valid contrasts to make between it and 40K. With 40K, only a few units (characters) are going to change the synergy of the rest of the army, and it's pretty cut & dried, how they do it. That makes a far better game for someone like me, who takes a more casual attitude towards gaming. I don't have the time to immerse myself in the books and memorize -or even familiarize myself with- every model/unit. Malifaux really seems to require that, to me.
I still love the models. I'll continue collecting them and the game books (their interspersed fiction is addictive! lol). If they put out the RPG I've been clamoring for, I'll even give it a shot.
I don't think I'll be doing much with the miniature game, unfortunately, however.
The following miniatures have already been shown on the previous page:
Molly, Crooligans, Rogue Necromancy, Kaeris, Gunsmith male, Gunsmith female, Fire Gamin.
Here pic of the other November releases (in the order listed above):
Hey Kroot... Is there any link that you know of showing off the Dec releases that isn't directly linked to Wyrd.. I'm blocked, and I've been itching to see Ramos' avatar.
They are slightly magically empowered forms of the original characters, replacing them in game (for different reasons, according on what the nature of the specific magic is). But they seem not overpowered or game-breaking.
He is also great on the battefield! I do like the fact the inspiration is so obvious, they made a typo on the stat card just to make it clear for people who somehow missed it!
(His spell Circle of Flames, then goes on to say Ring of Fire...)
Man, Malifaux has such a great range of random cool stuff. I don't want to start the game to avoid having to buy hundreds more models, but they are super tempting regardless!
I managed to trade some FoW items for the Buildinsg of Malifaux, the Lilth and Nicodems(?) boxsets. Those factions went to friends, and I ordered Rasputinas boxset. Plus a frind ordered the streets of Malifaux, and a bunch of base inserts.
Not sure how this plays, but we are going to give it ago. Is there anyway to play this as you would Necromunda? Where a gang/ crew can gather wealth, artifacts and cash? Not the end of the world, but would put an interesting spin on a (Very.) long story campaigan.
We are just planning on running with the boxsets for now Kroot. Is that feasible, or do we need to pick up more? I do like the Snowstorm model. Looks nice.
I was hoping that at least the Book2 Masters would get alternates first. I really dislike the Hamelin-master mini; I wish it had that awesome Piper-hat they show in the artwork.
Either way, awesome stuff. I'm happy that alt-Lilith isn't as 'chubby' as the original. It may be superficial, but such things are permissible when it comes to miniatures.
Absolutionis wrote:Whoa. A Bete Noir alt?
That is quite unexpected.
I was hoping that at least the Book2 Masters would get alternates first. I really dislike the Hamelin-master mini; I wish it had that awesome Piper-hat they show in the artwork.
Either way, awesome stuff. I'm happy that alt-Lilith isn't as 'chubby' as the original. It may be superficial, but such things are permissible when it comes to miniatures.
Give it some time, if you notice, alt sculpts are coming out when avatars do. So like for April, we get Lilith's Avatar and Nicodem's Avatar, followed by their alt sculpts. The same holds true with the previous previews.
Personally, I'm a huge fan of the Miners not only because I need them, but they're likably generic for once. The only complaint I have against Malifaux is that all their characters look like characters at times. When everyone is special, then nobody is special.
The Union Miners are great in spite of the mild plumber's crack.
I'm really disappointed with both of the Resurrectionist releases. The alt McMourning is a huge step backwards when compared to the calm but menacing looking original. And I don't understand how they managed to make the Avatar look so static, it's supposed to be a hulking flesh crafted deathmachine. This one looks like a statue.
Wyrd seems to be moving away from the style they had with the releases from first two books and towards the same looking cartoony style that has been done before by PP and GW. I think it is time for me to move on towards other games for my paint something different minis as these look like to be more of the same as the other games I'm playing.
I agree Absolutionis with the cartoony, but the latest models have more of the chubby heroic proportions, while the earlier models, like the original McM, are more realistically proportioned.
I am just sad that they are loosing their originality in the sculpts at least in my eyes.
Many of the starter boxes are good (though a few aren't, because they're either not as good for the masters, or too complex for beginners), and usually a box, a couple blisters, and the mini rulebook will get you a reasonably good start to the game.
The mini rulebook is free online (with some areas removed). It'll give you a sense of the rules, but, for everything I love about Wyrd, they do a pretty spectacular time making the rules look more complex than they are (i.e. once you understand, it's pretty intuitive).
July
WYR3048 Avatar Collette $30.00
WYR1052 Warden $20.00
WYR3057 Blessed of December $15.00
WYR1053 Alternate Executioner $12.50
WYR6018 Malifaux 1.5 Core Rulebook $35.00
WYR6017 Retro Fate Deck (Plastic) $11.50
(Rulebook is basically the original background of the first hardcover plus the updated rules and stats from the mini-rulebook)
August
WYR5072 Lazarus (Plastic) $25.00 (edit 18th June: lowered by Wyrd to 18.00$)
WYR0042 Asian Zen 30mm $13.50
WYR0043 Asian Zen 40mm $13.50
WYR0044 Asian Zen 50mm $10.50
WYR0045 Asian Zen Accessories $13.50
WYRTC104 Terraclips, Dungeon Rise: Dungeon Essentials $49.00
WYRTC105 Terraclips, Dungeon Rise: Vaults of Ruin $49.00
WYRTC106 Terraclips, Dungeon Rise: Prison of the Forsaken $49.00
Maybe I'm alone on this, but I think the new Terraclips are GORGEOUS. I need them, I need them all... But I don't have money! August? Good, I'll save up all my work moneys that don't go towards gas/car insurance.... Well, maybe I don't need the essentials, they're not as cool as the other two.
Edit: It's funny, I was recently wishing for Terraclips fit for Fantasy games, since the sewer seems out of place.
spaceelf wrote:I am really liking the dreamer avatar.
I've been waiting for this avatar for awhile, I love the idea of the Dreamer just being a little kid. What kid didn't treat his bed as a ship, or some other sort of vessel which he could ride forth into battle?
Such a good idea. I know it was said in the other thread about the eye being sculpted a bit on the back of the mini, but I doubt it... hard to tell with pics, but it doesn't look like it has any depth to it.
Basically, he's a hapless guard grunt who got tricked in to being stuck in a robot (to power its AI), regained his consciousness, escaped, and is now on the run as a merc.
Very Robocop (among other things).
The model will likely be around termie size or a bit larger, steampunk cobbled together robot, with a multi-barrel gun.
Thanks, sounds pretty cool. Will it be a fully plastic model? I don' remember seeing anything about Wyrd doing plastic models, but there it is next to the model's name...
Yep, questions abound. Wyrd started doing resin with the last book's bigger pieces, and now they're breaking in to plastic, it seems. No definitive answer that I've heard about what sort of plastic.
So I just listened to a podcast interview with Eric J from Wyrd. He spilled a lot of beans on what is on the horizon. If you like to find things out as they come out then read no further.
Book 4 – introduces a new faction (yes a new faction). Based on Ten Thunders.
They will be doing campaign packs that contain story encounters and miniatures to fit. One of the first with deal with Molly.
Malifaux 1.5 rulebook. The original rulebook with the rules updated to from the rules manual and the V2 cards updated in the back.
Plastic Malifaux decks and Foil decks for tournaments.
Plastic miniatures.
Gencon news – Nightmare editions of Eric and Nathan from Wyrd. Also 70 to 80% of the miniatures from Book 4 will be available for purchase at that time.
If you are a Puppet Wars fan or have thought about picking up the game but didn't like the price they are redoing the whole thing with plastic miniatures and giving you all the miniatures you ever need plus lowering the price.
Eric said they new phrase at Wyrd is more great Wyrd stuff at a cheaper price (Did you hear that GW?).
spiralingcadaver wrote:My only real doubt is that it could turn into Asianstereotypesandclichésland, the Faction, though Wyrd has a pretty good track record.
They've got Kirai and her spirits, which are obviously asian themed, and like Kroothawk said there are the Ten Thunder Brothers.
I don't think we're going to see a "anime" influenced faction, if Wyrd does an asian themed faction, I think it'll be more rooted in the realm of reality and history with a few gubbins added to it to make it fit. The 10T Brothers are a perfect example of this.
That uh... flesh golum is laughable, compared to Mr Chomps, or Killjoy.
That Set of the city stuff keeps getting better and better.
What exactly are those miners, uh... mining?
All in all there are a few turds in the wheat, but other then a couple, the range is shaping up great. Impressed with the story line, and how the miniatures enhance the story.
Need to get back in on this one before I miss the helltrain.
Great range and keeps getting better. I'm really interested in Molly getting her own crew.
Hmm, not sure about the face, but, otherwise, that looks really nice. A little curious why they went with a regular pig instead of the malifaux look for pigs...
Grot 6 wrote:What exactly are those miners, uh... mining?
I rather like the miners. They are haracterful enough to be appealing yet generic enough to be just "Miners". They're the grunts of the MS&U (Miners and Steamfitters Union) that is so heavily focused in the Arcanists Faction and that Ramos is the leader of and that Collette and Kaeris are influential members of.
Either way, I'm a huge fan of non-master specific units, and the Miners fit perfectly.
My one gripe against Malifaux is that you don't really play "Factions", but you play "Masters". The forced synergy for masters and their affiliated minions is so strong that it's rare that you'll ever use a model otherwise unless it's amazingly good such as Deperate Mercenaries, Freikorps Trappers, Gunsmiths, etc.
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8 Long Angle Walls
8 Short Angle Walls
18 Standard Walls (2”X6” - With and without doors)
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5 Short Removable Wall-Toppers (with Anchors)
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August is the strangest combination of "can't come soon enough" and "needs to be farther away", very much looking forward to these new Terraclips sets!
I'm confused how this new faction will fit into the Four-Suits Four-Factions system of Malifaux, but I'm looking forward to it.
It's both a new faction as well as a new master for each existing faction. So my guess is that each faction will get new toys, and those new toys can also work with each other.
Yep, the earlier one was clearly Resser themed, and this one's got tomes (arcanists) and clearly works in industry (M&SU).
I'm most curious about what the Guild and Outcast ones will look like-- Neverborn would probably be some sort of basic asian-influenced scary X,Y, or Z
I simply thought it was the current Union Miners which lack a full-colored illustration simply shoe-horned into that wallpaper. After all, the Wyrd Miniatures site background has the old "Hanged" illustration alongside a new Executioner art now.
Nathan Caroland;428305 wrote:You've been wondering, pondering, even hollering about what we've got coming up and it's about time to let folks know what we've got going on.
Wyrd has traditionally done all of our models the old fashion way, sculpt, mold, metal .. good to go! And it hasn't been bad for us at all. Unfortunately these last few years we've had to deal with rising metal costs as well as a horde of other issues that have for one reason or another caused us a bit of trouble that necessitated our move to plastic.
We found a fix to that and in doing so, we feel that we have seriously upped our game when it comes to quality, product and model options.
If you like our artwork, then odds are you're going to love the miniatures, as we've moved from traditional sculpting to digital sculpting and from metal to high detail hard plastic (this isn't your bendy stuff!). Below we've got a couple of shots to show you the progress from art to finished plastic product.
Oh, and the best part ... we're not raising our prices to do so. Better quality, more model options (heads, arms, weapons) at a better price.
WYR4056 - $40 - Dark Debts Box Set
WYR4057 - $11 - Mr. Graves
WYR4058 - $11 - Mr. Tannen
WYR4059 - $21 - The Depleted (3 pack)
WYR4060 - $16 - Beckoners (2 pack)
WYR5072 - $18 - Lazarus (this guy is more an action figure than a model I tell ya!)
Just a few of the things that'll be making their way to Gencon with us next month. More to show off next week!
More goodness to come, hadn't seen this up yet so apologies if it is.
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Wyrd Plastic and the Arcanist releases
Arcanists are the subject this time around, all of which will also be at Gencon.
Oh and for you folks asking about the plastic, look for a post from Eric a bit later on it, but just to confirm, yes, these are plastic injection molded miniatures, not 'bendy' plastic or finecast.
WYR3052 - Rail Crew Box Set - $35.00
WYR3052 - Rail Golem - $35.00
WYR3058 - Metal Gamin (3 pack) - $21.00
WYR3059 - Willie the Demolitionist - $16.00
Three special editions revealed on their facebook website:
First up we have the Hanging Tree, all plastic, which features the Hanging Tree itself which is a little over five inches tall altogether with both Eric and Nathan hanging around after a hard day. There are also two smaller tree's, along with bodies, which can be used as alternative Hanged.
I'm the sexy guy hanging upside down, working out the kinks.
WYR2059 - Hanging Tree - $80
Next up we have Miss Terious, a female Death Marshal (obviously not long on the job!) our special edition miniature of the year. For all orders of a $100 or more placed at Gencon either at the booth or online, this miniature will be included in your order for FREE.
Last up, we have a perk miniature for our Henchmen, Santana Ortega. This miniature will be made available initially only to our hard working Henchmen, and after a bit of time, perhaps to the public by way of tournaments, prize support, etc.
Note: The Misaki box set may not be available at Gencon, but will be available online during Gencon. This is due to a tight deadline and shipping on this and while we're doing everything we can to get it there in time, it is possible it won't arrive until we're already at Gencon and away from the warehouse.
[*]WYR5078 - $21 - Oiran (3 pack)
[*]WYR8001 - $35 - The Thunder Box Set
[*]WYR8002 - $21 - Ten Thunders Archers (3 pack)
[*]WYR8003 - $11 - Yamaziko
Hilariously enough, I was originally turned off by the Japanese/Chinese theme, but these renders look amazing. I hope the actual models look just as good. AFAIK, we haven't seen Wyrd's plastic/resin yet.
My only disappointment is there are no Japanese/Chinese models with rifles or firearms. It seems odd.
Absolutionis wrote:Hilariously enough, I was originally turned off by the Japanese/Chinese theme, but these renders look amazing. I hope the actual models look just as good. AFAIK, we haven't seen Wyrd's plastic/resin yet.
My only disappointment is there are no Japanese/Chinese models with rifles or firearms. It seems odd.
Jumping back to page 7, SpiralingCadaver posted a couple pictures that show the transitions from art to digital sculpt to plastic. Having held the plastic models, I can say that the plastic is fantastic. Its very very similar to the hard grey plastic that GW used for their plastic Hero kits a couple years back. Its been over 2 years since I picked up any GW models, so I am not sure if they still use the same hard grey plastic.
Ozymandias wrote:Hooray for hard plastic! Boo bendy plastic!
GenCon is going to hurt my wallet soooo bad.
Wyrd posted about this. apparently, they're using the same plastic that Legos are made of (i.e. sometimes painfully sharp), prepped in a different way to make them easier to paint. I'm not sure if any other minis company uses that stuff? PP's is some sort of weird resin that show mixing really strongly, GW's is relatively softer, and I don't know any other plastic lines very well.
I'm hesitant, but if Wyrd can keep that detail, I'm still happy with it.
Absolutionis wrote:Assuming assembly will be required, I wonder if the typical polystyrene plastic cement will work.
IIRC, it's a different plastic, so it won't-- I use superglue on everything, anyways, as it doesn't leave ugly melt spots, and, if you want to change anything, you can without a lot of cutting (i.e. too strong bonds for my taste)
The old Malifaux aesthetics and the chunky Privateer Press-esque sculpts never appealed to me, but the new figures' Asian and Asian-Western theming is so much more interesting than the existing Western-er, Western theming and the move to digital sculpting and plastic is enabling a welcome shift to realistic proportions, so I'm suddenly intrigued. Very nice.
spiralingcadaver wrote:Wyrd posted about this. apparently, they're using the same plastic that Legos are made of (i.e. sometimes painfully sharp), prepped in a different way to make them easier to paint. I'm not sure if any other minis company uses that stuff? PP's is some sort of weird resin that show mixing really strongly, GW's is relatively softer, and I don't know any other plastic lines very well.
The Wyrd plastic will be ABS. This is the same plastic Mongoose used for their injection-moulded Starship Troopers figures. The Privateer Press plastic is PVC. (I don't know why Wyrd included the FUD about all PVC being squishy and low-detail but with all the marketing bs from the likes of Mantic and Trollforged maybe they felt it was traditional now? ) The FineCast resin is polyurethane.
Absolutionis wrote:Assuming assembly will be required, I wonder if the typical polystyrene plastic cement will work.
If it's just some random bottle you fished out from the bottom of the drawer then probably poorly, if at all. You'll need to use a solvent that specifically says it works on ABS, such as Tamiya ABS Cement or Plastruct Bondene.
I recently got a sample of their puppet's war plastics, and I have to say that I was impressed. The designs were very creepy. The scupts were sharp and detailed. The plastic was as easy to work with as GW/WGF/Perry plastic, and it took to Humbrol Poly quite well. I am definitely going to pick up more Wyrd plastics this holiday season.
With the switch to 3d printing the miniatures design and coolness that made WYRD and Malifaux such a cool range is long gone... I dont like these they lack soul and they dont fit in malifaux... Bad move IMO.
The CAD renders always look a bit uncanny and I think that Wyrd usually presents their models with top knotch paint, so that probably accounts for some of the disconnect. However, in terms of sculpt quality, these look really good and get away from the horribad proportions that alot of miniatures show.
I like that they have some Lure models that aren't undead or puppets. And the Hungering Darkness looks like it will be super creepy with good paint, though I understand his rules to be rather underwhelming.
Absolutionis wrote: I'll reserve judgment until I have one of those models in my hand. I like the design of the Rail Crew and am planning on buying at least that.
It does somewhat bother me that there are none of these new models viewable in painted form.
Agree completely. I know there have been a couple spru pics floating around. That there hasn't been a painted model displayed yet either means the painters they have doing it aren't done yet, or they don't want people to see them. That there isn't even a painted model for the ones coming out this month makes me worry :(
Liked a lot of the original Wyrd line, but feel they were going down hill. Now that they have switch to digital will either save them or speed up their demise. Hope for the former, not the later.
Lots of high quality pics of the actual minis here, because, like a lot of people browsing this thread, I'm just plain not interested in 3d renders and such.
Those Riflemen look really good. I love the design and the translation into the 3D models is equally great.
I don't play the Guild, but I woudn't mind picking up a box of Riflemen to just paint up.
All the plastics have looked cool so far. I'd like to see more painted examples to get an idea how they actually look. I don't like that we haven't seen "official" painted minis from Wyrd for any of the plastics yet. Well, at least not that I can remember.
The new plastics are translating really well from art to model, and have been top notch so far, and are really detailed for what basically amounts to GW plastics (same material and feel).
bbb wrote: All the plastics have looked cool so far. I'd like to see more painted examples to get an idea how they actually look. I don't like that we haven't seen "official" painted minis from Wyrd for any of the plastics yet. Well, at least not that I can remember.
bbb, I don't think we'll see official painted minis, Nathan Caroland said something that they were getting complaints from both sides, those that wanted painted minis and those that didn't (so you could see the mini without painterly effects on them). So with the plastics, since they're entirely digital are just being printed on the box...
Well, that is disappointing. I was really put off when the 2nd rulebook/expansion they released didn't even have pictures of miniatures in it. And for the first rulebook I wanted to see some pictures of actual game boards with terrain and minis on it. They're doing a great job of creating a game and setting and encouraging great painting and modeling with their figures, but I really wish we'd see more pictures of models/games in progress from Wyrd itself.
bbb wrote: Well, that is disappointing. I was really put off when the 2nd rulebook/expansion they released didn't even have pictures of miniatures in it. And for the first rulebook I wanted to see some pictures of actual game boards with terrain and minis on it. They're doing a great job of creating a game and setting and encouraging great painting and modeling with their figures, but I really wish we'd see more pictures of models/games in progress from Wyrd itself.
It would be pretty difficult to make an expansion book for Malifaux with actual pictures of the models simply because most of the models don't physically exsist when the expansions are released.
Way way way back Wyrd did a mini online magazine thing that had some Malifaux themed plainting and modeling in it. Unfortunatly it hasn't been done in awhile.
I feel like it's a little odd that a company that started out as purely a mini company (i.e. hobby-oriented, then just minis, finally rules) to have no photos of their models in their books.
However, I'd rather have 5 more pages of fiction than 10 half-page pics of a bunch of toys standing around on a table, so, that's okay, especially since everything they've actually released is visible on their site.
I do think that the first book should have had some pics of their actual product, though.
My biggest complaint is that some of their new renders don't show some flaws in minis (specifically, a lot of the seams for pieces are on organic areas that actually take some work to handle).
spiralingcadaver wrote: I feel like it's a little odd that a company that started out as purely a mini company (i.e. hobby-oriented, then just minis, finally rules) to have no photos of their models in their books.
The reason for this was pointed out in the post immediately above your own. The books are written and published before the miniatures are ready. As you've also noticed, everything is visible on the web site and you're not getting what amounts to a catalog instead of useful content (looking at you GW).
spiralingcadaver wrote: My biggest complaint is that some of their new renders don't show some flaws in minis (specifically, a lot of the seams for pieces are on organic areas that actually take some work to handle).
I see this on Miss Terious' legs. It almost seems like there is a defect introduced in the mold cutting process that they haven't been able to correct.
The Guild riflemen and the Relic Hunters are really sweet.
I cant believe that Wyrd would forego photos of painted minis. If they did I think that it would really hurt them. As a company they need to encourage the hobby. If they do not do so, then people will just play with grey guys, or play video games.
spaceelf wrote: The Guild riflemen and the Relic Hunters are really sweet.
I cant believe that Wyrd would forego photos of painted minis. If they did I think that it would really hurt them. As a company they need to encourage the hobby. If they do not do so, then people will just play with grey guys, or play video games.
I'm pretty sure its been Wyrd's long standing opinon that they don't care one way or the other about painted models. Atleast its that way in their official tournement document, no painting requirment, no score based on painting.
Caty, I'd agree with you if it weren't for this blurb in the Gaining Grounds rules:
Painting Rules In an Official Tournament, a player is required to have fully-painted and based models without any visible bare metal or primer. The paint job should look like the painter made an effort to stay within the lines and enhance the appearance of the model with their painting. Bases should not be bare. For local tournaments, the TO determines whether or not to enforce the fully-painted requirement.
As to your point about supporting the hobby Spaceelf, you're also forgetting that your average Malifaux army has less models than a tactical marine squad in 40k... Most people can paint that much easily, and do so without much pushing either.
Alfndrate wrote: Caty, I'd agree with you if it weren't for this blurb in the Gaining Grounds rules:
Painting Rules
In an Official Tournament, a player is required to have fully-painted and based models
without any visible bare metal or primer. The paint job should look like the painter made
an effort to stay within the lines and enhance the appearance of the model with their
painting. Bases should not be bare. For local tournaments, the TO determines whether or
not to enforce the fully-painted requirement.
I've gone through the PDF a bunch of times setting up stuff for local and convention tournements and missed it every time apparently... But there it is, in Bold on page 3.
Some news that I haven't seen mentioned, Wyrd is going to have a birthday sale sometime soon.
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: Been to a couple of Wyrd tournaments and there was unpainted forces about.
Its odd as Wyrd started as a real painters sort of company, but its something thats become less and less important to them.
There is a difference between a Malifaux tournement and a Wyrd tournement though. When Wyrd themselves run a tournement like the ones at Gencon they follow the Gaining Grounds format exactly. When a Henchman, a store, etc runs a tournement their allowed some flexiblity. Generally when I as a Henchman run a tournament I allow unpainted forces, but I will usually have a drawing at the end of the tournament that you only qualify for if you ran a fully painted crew at some point during the tournament.
I don't find anything odd about painting becomeing less and less important to Wyrd. In my opinion as a company grows they need to adapt to a much wider player base, or they risk not growing at all. As silly as this sounds, painting isn't just that big a part of the hobby to some people.
I love the soul porter. He is really cool. I think however that they should decide whether Ten Thunders are Chinese inspired or Japanese and not flail about between them.
Hindenburg wrote: I love the soul porter. He is really cool. I think however that they should decide whether Ten Thunders are Chinese inspired or Japanese and not flail about between them.
In the fluff (read: Malifaux's alternate history), they actually are very explicitly a hybridization of Japan, China, and Korea (with the latter having the least obvious influence).
I assume this came from back when they just made minis (no setting/game) and their Chinese warrior model got a Japanese name, and, when they were making a game, they made backstory for why this would be the case. It irked me, until I read the explanation, and I think it's a fairly elegant solution to their original problem.
Hindenburg wrote: I love the soul porter. He is really cool. I think however that they should decide whether Ten Thunders are Chinese inspired or Japanese and not flail about between them.
In the fluff (read: Malifaux's alternate history), they actually are very explicitly a hybridization of Japan, China, and Korea (with the latter having the least obvious influence).
I assume this came from back when they just made minis (no setting/game) and their Chinese warrior model got a Japanese name, and, when they were making a game, they made backstory for why this would be the case. It irked me, until I read the explanation, and I think it's a fairly elegant solution to their original problem.
This is one of the things that does irk me about Malifaux - the lumping together of "the East" into one generic pool. Other cultures are pretty distinct, but this one has always been something that bugs me a little. Nothing major and not about to go ranting, but just a personal thing.
Hindenburg wrote: I love the soul porter. He is really cool. I think however that they should decide whether Ten Thunders are Chinese inspired or Japanese and not flail about between them.
In the fluff (read: Malifaux's alternate history), they actually are very explicitly a hybridization of Japan, China, and Korea (with the latter having the least obvious influence).
I assume this came from back when they just made minis (no setting/game) and their Chinese warrior model got a Japanese name, and, when they were making a game, they made backstory for why this would be the case. It irked me, until I read the explanation, and I think it's a fairly elegant solution to their original problem.
This is one of the things that does irk me about Malifaux - the lumping together of "the East" into one generic pool. Other cultures are pretty distinct, but this one has always been something that bugs me a little. Nothing major and not about to go ranting, but just a personal thing.
I dunno, it kind of makes sense in the Malifaux world. The city of Malifaux is a melting pot of all aspects of the world.
To be fair, there are really 4 "distinct" themes. The melting pot of the various Asian cultures, the bayou/creole influences that are present within the Gremlins, the Mexican influences that are present with the Ortegas and "American Wild West" that is present through the entire game. There aren't anyone that is specifically from Africa, Europe, South America, etc... It's just that taking the American Wild West you have mixtures of cowboys, hunters, etc.. and the inclusion of workers from Asia. Yes there are distinct differences between all of these cultures, like Caty said... Malifaux is a melting pot
I don't have my book in front of me, and it's been about a year since I've read the fluff. Regardless, the asian cultures are mixed as are the caucasian cultures... They're tiny little figures in a fantasy setting. This isn't historicals.
I'm not trying to defend the name mixups and Wyrd's reasoning for doing things the way they're doing it, but Malifaux is more of a melting pot than early 20th century America
I'm not trying to defend the name mixups and Wyrd's reasoning for doing things the way they're doing it, but Malifaux is more of a melting pot than early 20th century America
Actually, I think that picture of a Japanese named character in full Chinese dress was the main thing that made me ????
There aren't many cultural indications of ethnicity in Malifaux in any of the factions that I can see, except the Ortega family being Spanish or from south america, I guess? So it isn't a huge deal. Still it was something I reacted on and I didn't know about the fluff reasons. I have yet to read the books. Guess I wasn't alone!
That said the quality of Wyrds sculpts are getting better and better!
Ortegas are pretty clearly referencing Mexico (not South America or Spain)
Hoffman and Ryle are British
Rasputina is certainly referencing Russia, though no sign of accent
(Origionally "Ijnun") Joss is Native American.
A number of the Neverborn reference Italian fiction/folktales
etc.
There are plenty of cultural influences/characters from specific cultures. Ten Thunders is like the rest, and, in fact, only 3/5 masters is Asian, so they're hardly the "Asian faction"-- they're a crime syndicate with a fair amount of Asian leadership.
LOL, forgot about that one (though, actually, his friekorps are guild background for the most part, (so not necessarily the same ethnicity under those masks)
Hamelin is the Pied Piper of Hamelin, Germany.
Collette DuBois is from New Orleans, USA
Sue is Johnny Cash from the USA
Collodi is the Italian that wrote Pinocchio
Lazarus, The Four Horsemen, and Lilith are Biblical
Zoradia and Rasputina are Russian
Kaeris and Pandora are from Greek Myth
Mei Feng and her Rail Crew are Chinese-American immigrants
Misaki is Japanese
Von Shill is actually Prussian; he's a reference to Ferdinand Baptista von Schill of the real-life Freikorps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_von_Schill
Everything is a mix of everything. The 10T aren't even purely Asian. They're led by a Japanese woman that has infiltrated the MS&U with Chinese union members and the Guild with an Englishman. They also have a reference to Big Trouble in Little China (Yan Lo) and a reference to Gaiman (Jakob Lynch).
The same way that the MS&U employs English, American, French, Chinese, Native American, and Greek influenced members, the 10T is a blend of multiple cultures as well. It's just that the 10T is led by a Japanese character and all the Japanophiles get their panties in a twist.
It's the rule of the internet that if Firearms or Japanese culture is involved, someone is going to complain that something is inaccurate and flip a kitten.
The same way that the MS&U employs English, American, French, Chinese, Native American, and Greek influenced members, the 10T is a blend of multiple cultures as well. It's just that the 10T is led by a Japanese character and all the Japanophiles get their panties in a twist.
It's the rule of the internet that if Firearms or Japanese culture is involved, someone is going to complain that something is inaccurate and flip a kitten.
Not to be flip, but it's just possible that some people value their culture and don't like it when their thousands of years of cultural development are treated as having no more depth then a layer of yellow facepaint.
Book 4: Storm of Shadows has all of the information about the 10 Thunders
About 2/5ths of the model range is available to buy. By the end of the month, 3/5 of the stuff should be out for the most part.
http://wyrd-games.net/shop/TEN-THUNDERS/
Though if you look under the Arcanists sections you'll find the Rail Golem, and Willie the Demolitionsist which were all released in Book 4
The shame of it is lies in that the Ten Thunders faction is made up of some very tasty models indeed! There is a very nice thread on Wyrd's site that has an overview of the several masters (some very nice chibi-esque art too!), including a link to the mind-boggling complexity of Mei Feng's combos;
They have the potential to be a very nice faction, and the people that have posted painted shots of the miniatures (I dunno how they have the Ten Thunders box) looks like the actual sculpts are quite faithful to the digital renders.
It's the rule of the internet that if Firearms or Japanese culture is involved, someone is going to complain that something is inaccurate and flip a kitten.
It's also a rule of the internet that someone will invalidate other peoples opinion by making it appear without merit.
And indeed no one said that they were wrong for misrepresenting JAPAN, there was merely confusion about the apparent lumping together of eastern asian, not only Japan. Confusion that has been answered pretty well.
No need to get pissy.
Buzzsaw wrote: Not to be flip, but it's just possible that some people value their culture and don't like it when their thousands of years of cultural development are treated as having no more depth then a layer of yellow facepaint.
As a Japanese American who's pretty strongly connected with my roots, I feel that a lot of that stuff is blown out of proportion because of minority status, not because of specific cultural significance.
For instance, a few years back, with a Chinese woman played a Japanese geisha (without any background as a geisha!) and took a bunch of flak for it, she made the very valid point that there aren't many geisha out there at all, and, I don't remember the specific analogy, but the equivalent that Johnny Depp didn't need experience as a candy maker or pirate to play those parts. I doubt that anyone was offended when Ron Perlman played a French strongman, despite knowing essentially no French.
There are certainly tasteless means of ignoring culture or blending them together, which can easily cross the line into racism, but a decently fleshed-out alternative history in which multiple nations form political alliance that, through cross-cultural interaction, results hybrid culture is hardly the same as "Damn [see forum posting rules] names all sound the same!"
edit: thank you, forum filters, for completely obscuring that Apocalypse Now quote :/
Yikes! Totally cold on these releases, if you take out the wyrd, malifaux logos I would assume it was works for other company and game and would stay away from it.
This style does nothing for me.
Mei Feng is completely separate from her base. There is a small notch on her foot where you're supposed to attach her to the exploding-wood base; you can choose not to.
Sorry Buzzsaw, I don't play Arcanists outside of Rasputina, so I don't have any experience with Mei Fang, but Absolutionis's pic should help you out more than I can lol.
For reference, Mei Fang's body is A-1 Like the steak sauce and the splintered wood is in the right hand corner (kinda hard to miss )