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 bbb wrote:
Well, that is disappointing. I was really put off when the 2nd rulebook/expansion they released didn't even have pictures of miniatures in it. And for the first rulebook I wanted to see some pictures of actual game boards with terrain and minis on it. They're doing a great job of creating a game and setting and encouraging great painting and modeling with their figures, but I really wish we'd see more pictures of models/games in progress from Wyrd itself.

It would be pretty difficult to make an expansion book for Malifaux with actual pictures of the models simply because most of the models don't physically exsist when the expansions are released.

Way way way back Wyrd did a mini online magazine thing that had some Malifaux themed plainting and modeling in it. Unfortunatly it hasn't been done in awhile.

I feel like it's a little odd that a company that started out as purely a mini company (i.e. hobby-oriented, then just minis, finally rules) to have no photos of their models in their books.

However, I'd rather have 5 more pages of fiction than 10 half-page pics of a bunch of toys standing around on a table, so, that's okay, especially since everything they've actually released is visible on their site.

I do think that the first book should have had some pics of their actual product, though.

My biggest complaint is that some of their new renders don't show some flaws in minis (specifically, a lot of the seams for pieces are on organic areas that actually take some work to handle).

Added the rest of the January release pics to the post on page 8.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I feel like it's a little odd that a company that started out as purely a mini company (i.e. hobby-oriented, then just minis, finally rules) to have no photos of their models in their books.

The reason for this was pointed out in the post immediately above your own. The books are written and published before the miniatures are ready. As you've also noticed, everything is visible on the web site and you're not getting what amounts to a catalog instead of useful content (looking at you GW).

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
My biggest complaint is that some of their new renders don't show some flaws in minis (specifically, a lot of the seams for pieces are on organic areas that actually take some work to handle).

I see this on Miss Terious' legs. It almost seems like there is a defect introduced in the mold cutting process that they haven't been able to correct.

The Guild riflemen and the Relic Hunters are really sweet.

I cant believe that Wyrd would forego photos of painted minis. If they did I think that it would really hurt them. As a company they need to encourage the hobby. If they do not do so, then people will just play with grey guys, or play video games.

 spaceelf wrote:
The Guild riflemen and the Relic Hunters are really sweet.

I cant believe that Wyrd would forego photos of painted minis. If they did I think that it would really hurt them. As a company they need to encourage the hobby. If they do not do so, then people will just play with grey guys, or play video games.

I'm pretty sure its been Wyrd's long standing opinon that they don't care one way or the other about painted models. Atleast its that way in their official tournement document, no painting requirment, no score based on painting.

Caty, I'd agree with you if it weren't for this blurb in the Gaining Grounds rules:

Painting Rules
In an Official Tournament, a player is required to have fully-painted and based models
without any visible bare metal or primer. The paint job should look like the painter made
an effort to stay within the lines and enhance the appearance of the model with their
painting. Bases should not be bare. For local tournaments, the TO determines whether or
not to enforce the fully-painted requirement.

As to your point about supporting the hobby Spaceelf, you're also forgetting that your average Malifaux army has less models than a tactical marine squad in 40k... Most people can paint that much easily, and do so without much pushing either.

 Alfndrate wrote:
Caty, I'd agree with you if it weren't for this blurb in the Gaining Grounds rules:

Painting Rules
In an Official Tournament, a player is required to have fully-painted and based models
without any visible bare metal or primer. The paint job should look like the painter made
an effort to stay within the lines and enhance the appearance of the model with their
painting. Bases should not be bare. For local tournaments, the TO determines whether or
not to enforce the fully-painted requirement.

I've gone through the PDF a bunch of times setting up stuff for local and convention tournements and missed it every time apparently... But there it is, in Bold on page 3.

Some news that I haven't seen mentioned, Wyrd is going to have a birthday sale sometime soon.

Been to a couple of Wyrd tournaments and there was unpainted forces about.

Its odd as Wyrd started as a real painters sort of company, but its something thats become less and less important to them.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Been to a couple of Wyrd tournaments and there was unpainted forces about.

Its odd as Wyrd started as a real painters sort of company, but its something thats become less and less important to them.

There is a difference between a Malifaux tournement and a Wyrd tournement though. When Wyrd themselves run a tournement like the ones at Gencon they follow the Gaining Grounds format exactly. When a Henchman, a store, etc runs a tournement their allowed some flexiblity. Generally when I as a Henchman run a tournament I allow unpainted forces, but I will usually have a drawing at the end of the tournament that you only qualify for if you ran a fully painted crew at some point during the tournament.

I don't find anything odd about painting becomeing less and less important to Wyrd. In my opinion as a company grows they need to adapt to a much wider player base, or they risk not growing at all. As silly as this sounds, painting isn't just that big a part of the hobby to some people.

Just a bit of news!

Wyrd is having their birthday sale and has pulled out some LE models. They have the following avalible and the sale runs until the 10th.

WYR1043 - Dead Justice - $50.00

WYR4027 - Lord Chompy Bits - $100.00

WYR4046 - Nightmare Teddy - $50.00

WYR5073 - War Rooster - $22.00

WYR5074 - Egg Hauler - $15.00

The following two box sets are also out early.

WYR1056 - Relic Hunters Box Set - $40.00

WYR2060 - Masters of the Path Box Set - $35.00

Here the preview of the Masters of the Path:

It should be noted that the Nightmare Lord Chompy Bits, Dead Justice, and the Egg Thrower are sold out.

Well, I know what the wife is getting me to go in my stocking! The relic hunters box should fit perfectly!

I love the soul porter. He is really cool. I think however that they should decide whether Ten Thunders are Chinese inspired or Japanese and not flail about between them.

 Hindenburg wrote:
I love the soul porter. He is really cool. I think however that they should decide whether Ten Thunders are Chinese inspired or Japanese and not flail about between them.

In the fluff (read: Malifaux's alternate history), they actually are very explicitly a hybridization of Japan, China, and Korea (with the latter having the least obvious influence).

I assume this came from back when they just made minis (no setting/game) and their Chinese warrior model got a Japanese name, and, when they were making a game, they made backstory for why this would be the case. It irked me, until I read the explanation, and I think it's a fairly elegant solution to their original problem.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Hindenburg wrote:
I love the soul porter. He is really cool. I think however that they should decide whether Ten Thunders are Chinese inspired or Japanese and not flail about between them.

In the fluff (read: Malifaux's alternate history), they actually are very explicitly a hybridization of Japan, China, and Korea (with the latter having the least obvious influence).

I assume this came from back when they just made minis (no setting/game) and their Chinese warrior model got a Japanese name, and, when they were making a game, they made backstory for why this would be the case. It irked me, until I read the explanation, and I think it's a fairly elegant solution to their original problem.

This is one of the things that does irk me about Malifaux - the lumping together of "the East" into one generic pool. Other cultures are pretty distinct, but this one has always been something that bugs me a little. Nothing major and not about to go ranting, but just a personal thing.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Hindenburg wrote:
I love the soul porter. He is really cool. I think however that they should decide whether Ten Thunders are Chinese inspired or Japanese and not flail about between them.

In the fluff (read: Malifaux's alternate history), they actually are very explicitly a hybridization of Japan, China, and Korea (with the latter having the least obvious influence).

I assume this came from back when they just made minis (no setting/game) and their Chinese warrior model got a Japanese name, and, when they were making a game, they made backstory for why this would be the case. It irked me, until I read the explanation, and I think it's a fairly elegant solution to their original problem.

This is one of the things that does irk me about Malifaux - the lumping together of "the East" into one generic pool. Other cultures are pretty distinct, but this one has always been something that bugs me a little. Nothing major and not about to go ranting, but just a personal thing.

I dunno, it kind of makes sense in the Malifaux world. The city of Malifaux is a melting pot of all aspects of the world.

To be fair, there are really 4 "distinct" themes. The melting pot of the various Asian cultures, the bayou/creole influences that are present within the Gremlins, the Mexican influences that are present with the Ortegas and "American Wild West" that is present through the entire game. There aren't anyone that is specifically from Africa, Europe, South America, etc... It's just that taking the American Wild West you have mixtures of cowboys, hunters, etc.. and the inclusion of workers from Asia. Yes there are distinct differences between all of these cultures, like Caty said... Malifaux is a melting pot

Hoffman is British, no? Sure its mentioned in book two.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Hoffman is British, no? Sure its mentioned in book two.

I don't have my book in front of me, and it's been about a year since I've read the fluff. Regardless, the asian cultures are mixed as are the caucasian cultures... They're tiny little figures in a fantasy setting. This isn't historicals.

I'm not trying to defend the name mixups and Wyrd's reasoning for doing things the way they're doing it, but Malifaux is more of a melting pot than early 20th century America

 Alfndrate wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Hoffman is British, no? Sure its mentioned in book two.

I'm not trying to defend the name mixups and Wyrd's reasoning for doing things the way they're doing it, but Malifaux is more of a melting pot than early 20th century America

Actually, I think that picture of a Japanese named character in full Chinese dress was the main thing that made me ????

Still, its only a game setting anyhow.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Still, its only a game setting anyhow.

Agreed, so hows about we just play ?

There aren't many cultural indications of ethnicity in Malifaux in any of the factions that I can see, except the Ortega family being Spanish or from south america, I guess? So it isn't a huge deal. Still it was something I reacted on and I didn't know about the fluff reasons. I have yet to read the books. Guess I wasn't alone!

That said the quality of Wyrds sculpts are getting better and better!

Ortegas are pretty clearly referencing Mexico (not South America or Spain)

Hoffman and Ryle are British

Rasputina is certainly referencing Russia, though no sign of accent

(Origionally "Ijnun") Joss is Native American.

A number of the Neverborn reference Italian fiction/folktales



etc.

There are plenty of cultural influences/characters from specific cultures. Ten Thunders is like the rest, and, in fact, only 3/5 masters is Asian, so they're hardly the "Asian faction"-- they're a crime syndicate with a fair amount of Asian leadership.

Well, von Schill and his Freikorps plus mercenary Hans are clearly German.

LOL, forgot about that one (though, actually, his friekorps are guild background for the most part, (so not necessarily the same ethnicity under those masks)

Hamelin is the Pied Piper of Hamelin, Germany.
Collette DuBois is from New Orleans, USA
Sue is Johnny Cash from the USA
Collodi is the Italian that wrote Pinocchio
Lazarus, The Four Horsemen, and Lilith are Biblical
Zoradia and Rasputina are Russian
Kaeris and Pandora are from Greek Myth
Mei Feng and her Rail Crew are Chinese-American immigrants
Misaki is Japanese
Von Shill is actually Prussian; he's a reference to Ferdinand Baptista von Schill of the real-life Freikorps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_von_Schill

Everything is a mix of everything. The 10T aren't even purely Asian. They're led by a Japanese woman that has infiltrated the MS&U with Chinese union members and the Guild with an Englishman. They also have a reference to Big Trouble in Little China (Yan Lo) and a reference to Gaiman (Jakob Lynch).

The same way that the MS&U employs English, American, French, Chinese, Native American, and Greek influenced members, the 10T is a blend of multiple cultures as well. It's just that the 10T is led by a Japanese character and all the Japanophiles get their panties in a twist.

It's the rule of the internet that if Firearms or Japanese culture is involved, someone is going to complain that something is inaccurate and flip a kitten.

 Absolutionis wrote:
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The same way that the MS&U employs English, American, French, Chinese, Native American, and Greek influenced members, the 10T is a blend of multiple cultures as well. It's just that the 10T is led by a Japanese character and all the Japanophiles get their panties in a twist.

It's the rule of the internet that if Firearms or Japanese culture is involved, someone is going to complain that something is inaccurate and flip a kitten.

Not to be flip, but it's just possible that some people value their culture and don't like it when their thousands of years of cultural development are treated as having no more depth then a layer of yellow facepaint.

 Absolutionis wrote:
They also have a reference to Big Trouble in Little China (Yan Lo)

Where can I read more about the Ten Thunders? Is there a specific book?

Also, how much of the model range is still available to buy?