I know that this seems odd that I am doing a transaction report on myself but there seems to be an issue with a package I sent to SBU that has not arrived. I want to put it all out for the public to see that everything is being done by both parties to resolve this issue. First of all I want to say that SBU has been the perfect customer with fast payment and quick communication. So, without further adu here is the facts of the case to this point.

On 03/05/2011, I placed an Armorcast Gobsmasha on Dakka Swap to sell. SBU offered $50.00 USD for the vehicle plus shipping. He stated that he had internation shipping from the US for around $14.00 USD lately. I calculated the shipping and he was very close at $14.20 USD. I quoated $64.20 USD and he agreed. The deal was done.

He messaged me that he was having trouble sending the funds via paypal because of conversion from Pounds to Dollars and requested an Invoice. I agrees and sent him an invoice for $64.20 USD which he quickly paid. Since it was too late to ship the package in person with USPS Clerk I attemept to ship at the automated USPS Office near my house in the morning of 03/06/2011. However, I could not ship the item because of USPS Customs regualtions I had to ship with a live person. I informed SBU of this when I got home via PM on Dakka.

On 03/06/2011, I posted an Armorcast Spleenrippa on Dakka Swap to sell. SBU saw this and offered to buy them. I agreed and combined this shipping which I ate as a cost of doing business. Because of the previous conversion issue I sent him an invoice which he quickly paid via Paypal. Once receiving the payment for the second item the two vehicles were packaged together for shipping.

On 03/07/2011, on my first break at work I went downstairs to the USPS Office in the US Govt Federal Building I work in at Kansas City, MO. I normally ship priority mail and do not have much experence with First Class International Mail I asked for a tracking number. The clerk stated that she could not give me one since they do not do it on First Class International (which I confirmed later on the USPS website.) While not too please with this but I still shipped the item to the Address that was Confirmed on Paypal as promised. Once shipped I returned to my desk and sent a message to SBU that they have shipped.

On 03/08/2011, SBU stated in his reply that he would contact me when they arrive.

On 03/26/2011, I was going through my business receipts and notice the receipt for the vehicles I sent to SBU. I remembered that I have not heard from him yet about if the package has arrived. I sent him a PM on Dakka inquiring about the items I had shipped. He stated that he had not received them yet and was about to contact me about them. Since it is the weekend and both the USPS and Royal Post are not open there was not much I could do at this time.

The thought came to me to check the USPS site and see if the Customs Form Number that was on the receipt would provide any information. Here is the response from the USPS tracking system:

Label/Receipt Number: LC95 5960 055U S
Class: First-Class Mail International
Service(s): International Letter
Status: Acceptance

Your item was accepted at 9:51 am on March 07, 2011 in KANSAS CITY, MO 64106. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.

The USPS shows that they have accepted the Package that was sent to SBU but that is as far as I am able to check since the Royal Post site is horrible and did not give any information when the customs number was entered.

Here is my evidence that I shipped the item:




What I am thinking that has happened is that the package is being held up by Customs in the UK. According to the USPS site the first step in locating the package is for me to do an international trace with the USPS which I will start tomorrow with the USPS office that I shipped the item out from. This process even from their own website can take awhile.

Since, I have have met all the prerequired evidence needed by Paypal for Seller Protection I do whole heartly request that on the 40th day of the transaction if the items have not been received, please to a Paypal Dispute so you can protect yourself. Since I have done everything that the seller protection in the Paypal User Agreement has stated I am protected and will not lose any money for the missing items. Also, since I did this and if you file before the close of the 45 day window you should receive a refund from Paypal.

The communications between SBU and I have been friendly and informative on this issue. He stated last night that he his going to go to the Royal Post Office and contact Customs with the Customs Office there in the UK to see if this will help. I hope this transaction report will show that not only SBU and I are both doing everything we can to resolve this issue but also show that both sides are trustworthy Dakka members in Dakka Swap. I will gladly do business with SBU at anytime.

P.S. I am requesting any information if there has been a slowdown of items being shipped from the US to the UK. Or is the UK Customs having any issues which could explain the delay in processing toy models?

Just a heads up, and not sure if this can be applied to your case. Homeland security decided that they need to search every package that is under a certain weight. I ordered FW stuff a couple months ago took it about 39 days to get here.

xlightscreen wrote:Just a heads up, and not sure if this can be applied to your case. Homeland security decided that they need to search every package that is under a certain weight. I ordered FW stuff a couple months ago took it about 39 days to get here.

I was not aware of this that DHS is doing this. I guess it was because of the bombs that were being sent in printer cartriages. Thanks for the info, it will be very helpful.

As with all transaction reports, please only post here if you have relevant information to add regarding the sale/trade in question, or information that is helpful to resolving the issue.

It is certainly fine to have gone ahead and posted this transaction report to have all of the information out in the open and above board, and to see about means of tracking down the package.

Please keep all replies to this relevant and on-topic, or (as always with TRs) they will be deleted. Thank you.

Pip: Often, what you put on the customs form item description can make a difference. I usually put (used toys) or (used models) in my declaration. It raises fewer questions with the customs officials. Another point, and I don't know if it applies in your case, but it is important to list whether or not you have magnetized parts in the models. Undeclared magnets in any quantity can really throw off the scanning equipment, and raise very time-consuming questions.

Just a couple of points
-Cat

Pipboy I have recently had a transaction with SBU and he offered me a gobsmasha and a spleenrippa. That was on 3\11\11 here is the pm

Dunno if that helps at all

Edited so you can actually read the message

I deleted a post and edited out the parts of replies referring to it, as they're no longer needed. Please just hit the yellow triangle to refer any off-topic posts to the moderators... thanks.

My experience with the USPS tracking system for First-Class Mail International parcels is that it will only tell you that the package was accepted at the post office. Even after delivery, the tracking message won't change.

I've had a package from the southern US take around 2 months to reach me here in Ontario, Canada.
I understand your concern, but it is possible that the package is traveling on the surface rather than by air so give it a few more weeks.

When and if the buyer opens a PayPal dispute within the 45 day window, I believe that there will be another 20 day window for you two to reach an agreement on how to settle the dispute. (At least that's how it is for eBay.)

I have also just edited the transaction report title, as another user has PM'ed me saying that SBU has offered these same items for trade.

SBU if you could reply here to clear up any discrepancies from your side, that would be very helpful.

I want to thank everyone for their help with this issue. I am completely surprised by the unsolicited information about the items that has been provided. I am going to still contact the USPS to start the trace and also contact the Royal Post myself to follow up myself.

I also await your reply because I have received PM from another person stating you already have have the items I sent you and you were trying to sell these items. This is on top of the message post above. This is serious evidence presented by people I have never had any contact with. So, the question is what is there to stop me from contacting the USPS Inspector General and the Royal Post equilvent.


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Ok, I have been looking online on whom I am dealing with. Just Google Tony Heath Recaster. I am contacting Paypal tonight to preempt any disputes.

Same offer as you sum1thtdiesalot except i sent out items for the Grot tanks and Grot mega tank.

Think the title should be changed o transaction report SBU.

Also this chap has had accounts on here before and has been removed.

Well thanks to Pipboy101 I now know that SBU/gamesroomclearout2010 is a recaster. I recently bought 4 grot tanks from him and am now attempting to get my money back. I suggest anyone who has done business with this guy try the same.

Ha you must of got the tanks he was ment to send me, counterfit or no counterfit i either want him to send me them or to semd my CSM back.

Well i think a hats off to pipboy is in order

Has anyone contacted GW about this? Because at this me and my brother (whalemusic360) have gotten 4 grot tanks and 3 deathwind missile launchers from this guy (first time was gamesroomclearout2010)

He has loads of stuff going on with loads of companies. seems like everyones on to him yet no ones doing anything. I used to think GW were the shoot to kill types, guess there more of a get shot and run lol.

More a message to the mods, as he keeps coming back here wit ha different name are you not able to have his ip address blocked? My mrs was telling me that it can be done, but im not sure if it can on forums.

Please, no one initiate new trades with this user. Searching the above terms should give you all of the information you need on this matter.

If anyone has an ongoing trade with user sbu, please update here.

Mine is obviously long finished, but I do have his paypal info if the mods would like it. I think we will be contacting GW to see what they say. Sum1 or myself will keep thread updated. You may want to change the title at this point to "TR: GRCO2010/SBU/Anthony Heath". I'd hate for Pip to get a bad name based on his name in a title of an TR.

Gar, ninja'd(ish)

I have an ongoing dispute over a trade, sne tout a CSM army and he was ment to send me some grot tanks and a grot mega tank, never got them he says he never got the csm. I found that the package he sent me was returned to him and he has recived the CSM i sent. ripped me off.

I am going to do a trace on the package amd contact the ppost master general here in the states. Also i am going to contact thr royal post. I have already contacted paypal by phone. They are now aware of what is going on which is now linked to his email. On top of this i have warned him that there might be civil and criminal proceeding filled here in the US and Uk if i suffer any monetary loss.

So if you have dealings with him and you used paypal call them. They noted his email and have the full story including some other other stuff that has happened so far reported on here.

Well, I have started the international trace with the USPS. Then I got in contact with the North Wales Police in his town. They stated that when I get the information that the USPS provides me and they will amend the open criminal complaints on him if it is shown that the package has arrived at his address provided. Also, the Royal Post stated that they will look into mail fraud charges if he did receive the items.

FWIW, I checked something for you.
Some foreign sites will allow you to track a package sent there by using the # on the Customs form. Royal Mail is not one of them.

Eric

I have just got this message from SBU here on Dakka in my PM box:

From: sbu
To: Pipboy101
Date: 2011/03/29 04:47:06
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:armorcast

FYI i checked with customs yesterday and they are holding the package there as i need to go collect it wich i will be doing tomorow pos friday at the latest

you seem to have gone of at the deep end hear i have read all that has been written and am somewhat concerned that i am being tared with the same brush that my idiot younger brother messed up some 6 months ago

the other accounts are or rather were his and i kicked him out the hoise when i was made aware by a friend of what he was doing while living under my roof this account is mine and i have until this point not had anything but good transactions

weather you belive this or not it ios the truth but there is little i can do either way as a whole host of badmouthing has happened and this will probably ruin a good account for me AGAIN due to someone elses actions it is just a shame i have had internet problems over the last week so i could not stay on top of this

as for me offering these items for trade else were yes that is true but i expected them to arrive long before now and thus that is why i never sent anyone pics as i did not and do not yet have the models to take pictures (i hope to have them by friday at the latest but only the idiots at customs are to blame )

hope you can read this with an unbias mind but i feel that now might be difficult but please be aware you next steps could affect both me and my account wrongly for much time to come

if you wish to discuss further (wich i appreciate if you do not ) them please do contact me

yours

SBU

p.s if you wnat to forward this message to the mods please do


This is my reply to him:

From: Pipboy101
To: sbu
Date: 2011/03/29 06:33:10
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:armorcast

I will forward this to all interested parties. You have to understand how it looks when you are saying the same thing word for word that my investigation had found. As a 12 year veteran of law enforcement whom has investigated many a fraud case in my time, if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it is a duck. All my actions on here are to protect myself and the other members of dakka as the situation that has occurred is a very common scam to defraud according to the USPS Postal Inspector. So understand my view point as a person that has investigated these types of crimes before at my level of uneasiness with out physical proof as of right now the evidence is not in your favor.

If you have the name of the customs offical you talked to and which office I will confirm my selfAlso a photograph of the unopened package and the contents will go along way in repairing you rep and proving your side true. if true I will share it all with dakka. Also if true you need to do something to have the internet posts against you removed since it is never good that the entire first page of google about you is saying you are a scamer stating you are doing the same thing as is happening now. The ball is in your court to push the scales of evidence in your side because just stating that customs has it right now is like saying the check is in the mail. I will hold of on more investigation it you respond with proof. I will repay this message on dakka word for word so there is no he said she said for your protection and mine.

--end of replies--


As I stated in my reply that it seems old that everything that his "Brother" did is happening again. As with internet issues, if I was running a business I would have been on with the company the second it went down. After that I would have used the internet on my phone and then an Internet Cafe or even a Library to keep in touch. Also, I have not seen online Sbu's attempt to fix the problem. Honestly if the entire first page of a Google Search of my name came up with that I would be posting my "Brother's" mug shot with an apology.

So, I will await the Custom's Offical's name and the Office he talked to or a picture of the unopen package that he gets from that "Office." We will wait and see what the day brings.

Next communications between the two of us:

From: sbu
To: Pipboy101
Date: 2011/03/29 08:42:29
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:armorcast

As for what i have done about the writings on the net ( for wich there are to my knowledge just 2 sites and 3 threads) refering to my brothers actions 6 months ago ( as i said i kicked him out and have not spoken to him since nor has the rest of my family for that matter)

i have written on several ocations to both editors of the 2 sites in question to both explain the cercumstances and indeed ask for there help but on all occassions i was ignored and one one site in particular refused to even let me join as a visitor in order to publicly put my comments and facts forward and indeed at that time i was going to publicly appolagise for my brothers actions and that i had only just found out ( sept 2010 FYI) what had been going on bvoth under my roof and in some cercomstances in my name ( he obviously had access to all my personal info and of course as he was living with us at the time all the address info needed to carry on this way i even at this point supplied certain info to the police wich was a hard thing to do even after what he had done happily the police did not take the matter any furtehr as there was no real evidence supplied just ALOT of idol speculation and very hurtful and somewhat trumped up alegations wich included against me and resulted in me loosing my ebau account that had well over 800+ posative feedback at the time I even tok legal advise at the time but was told that there was very little i could do without spending lots of money (wich i do not have) and would not be able to claim back and still with no garantees it would help the situation as they are private members only forums there is not much that can be done dispite the few entries on goggle ( NOT REALY A FULL PAGE IS IT)

in answer to your question firstly no did not get a name from the royal mail/customs call centre just gave them the details that you only supplied on saturday (so monday was the first time i could ack on them) they put it into the computer and told me it was being held at my local customs holding centre ( wich luckily is only 15 miles away and that there was a customs and handeling charge that i would have to pay (not happy about that but under the cercumstances did not feel it would be the right time to discuss that matter with you )

they also appolagised and said that i should have had a letter some weeks ago but that they had been experiencing problems and a number of items had had the same situation occur in the last few weeks and that the problem was now sorted from there end ( some concerlation to me A look at all the trouble it has brought back up again)

again i feel that you were somwhat hasty not waiting for my responce i had mentioned my internet problems and FYI i had been every day to an internet cafe ( AND YES THERE WOULD BE PROOF OF THIS IF IT WAS NEEDED AS I WILL BE ON THER CCTV and you could contact sky who would under presure confirm that i have had problems with my internet and that since a week last thursday i have been ofline at home ) and secondly i do not run a bussiness so why and how would my lack of internet affect that trust me sky would not move any quicker if i did they are slow and thats that.

i will supply more information as and when it is needed and if i can fro now i will be collecting the parcel tomorow if i can and will be back in touch

yours

sbu

From: Pipboy101
To: sbu
Date: 2011/03/29 10:03:00
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:armorcast
If there is an issue with the shipping because of Customs you might want to contact everyone that you have done deals with because there is a few people on here that were thinking the samething as I was before I posted my TR. I will again post your PM and this response in the TR.

Now, the best thing to do was to drop a few line message to my email which you had via Paypal the first time you got that info about customs. But when you chimed in on a TR on another person in Dakka claiming that your package had not arrived and then other people are stating that you are telling them that it has not arrived it throws up a huge red flag espically with the information that is out there. So you have to look at what everyone can see so communication is huge for you. Internet issues is the #1 excuse for a scammer on here and with the other issues that are word for word it makes from very nervous customers.

If selling or buying on a regular basis you MUST have a backup for internet issues so you are only out of communications for a few hours when not at work. So, my reaction and everyone elses is perfectly understandible and defendible. Since this is only a transaction report and there is no offical actions against you except for a Internation Trace on the package, if you make it right with everyone on here by communitcating with them it would go along way for you. If everything goes as you say it will I will post a +1 for you and close my section of the TR.

Now if it is true that your Brother was doing those things and you did report it to the local police there will be a report number. If I was you get a copy of that report and send it to the companies and forums with a professionaly worded letter registered mail asking nicly to remove those posts so this will not happen to you again. It is up to them to believe you but with offical documents they will take you serious about the issue. By not doing that you are always going to be haunted by his actions.

--end of replies--

This is a link to a TMP thread discussing a letter that was supposedly sent from Mr Heath's lawyer:

http://theminiaturespage.com/news/780025/

Now if that was sent by a lawyer, then I'm a Dutchman.

Mod note: some comments redacted. Please try to avoid emotive language in Transaction Reports

I've got a stock response here whenever someone claims their brother did it (That is NOT an unheard of excuse.). Something like:
"Fine. It was your brother? No problem. Just give me your paren't phone number, so I can confirm this with them, and you & I will be fine. I'll take matters up with him."

Eric

I have had an ongoing trade with SBU for a SM codex in return for my DE codex, He claims he shipped it around mid March and I shipped the DE codex a few days after, I have not received anything and have not heard from him, and I'm starting to become a bit concerned.

The Night Stalker wrote:I have had an ongoing trade with SBU for a SM codex in return for my DE codex, He claims he shipped it around mid March and I shipped the DE codex a few days after, I have not received anything and have not heard from him, and I'm starting to become a bit concerned.

Like Pipboy101, everyone else post the messages you got and any other communications so that we can see if they match a similar pattern with the other pending deals with SBU.

Or perhaps start PMs between yourselves to compare notes. One of you start collecting information just in case.

Here is a short breakdown, and I just want to make it clear that while concerned I am not accusing SBU of cheating me in any way, its just the amount of time that has gone by paired with the emergence of this thread has caused me some serious concern.

on 2/23 SBU responded to one of my swap shop threads and offered to trade his Space Marine codex for my Dark Eldar codex, he stated that he would be interested in the trade but that we would have to ship between countries, even though he was a new user with a low post count I went ahead with the deal anyway.

The next few PM's after that were just about shipping costs and the like.

After a few delays SBU claims he shipped the SM codex on 3/7

On 3/11 New Jersey was hit by a huge storm and my area was flooded, because of this I wasnt able to ship the DE codex until 3/16, I sent SBU a message explaining this.

It is the 29th today and I have still not received anything or heard from SBU, I am aware that cross country shipping can take awhile and I am hoping that is the reason for this delay.

I believe I still might have the receipt. And will be looking for it today.

Newest communications between SBU and I:

From: sbu
To: Pipboy101
Date: 2011/03/29 14:00:42
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:armorcast
i do not have a backup internet as i only use it for my hobby and gaming NOT as a bussiness if you do not belive me contact sky and ask them they will confirm what i have sadi if you do not belive me then quite franclly at this stage i do not care i know what i am saying is true

as for what you have said about the police all i did was give them certain info that they asked for (unhappily as he was still my brother and i am not a police informant)

there was no record of my details given as i was unwilling to get involed any further as i wanted to distance myself from any further action although as far as i am aware none was taken and as i said have not spoken to my brother since then the case file number is the one that has been banded around TMP but that is as much as i know and infact more than 50% of my info has come from what i have read over the last 6/9 months

i do not see what else i can do i have spoken to the editors of the 2 sites and asked them to remove and or reword certain messages but have not had any polite reply and so i feel on that note that i was dealing with very unpolite, unprofessional and frankly crappy inderviduals and so have just left it for the last couple of months and until yesterday it had seemed to have gone away


From: Pipboy101
To: sbu
Date: 2011/03/29 14:13:46
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:armorcast
I do not want you to think that I am beating up on you about not having an alternate Internet connection, but you have to look at it from myside and quite frankly most of the other people on here. It is normally a bad sign when communication comes to a crawl or a stand still. I understand that family members not wanting to turn other members in for possible criminal actions they might have commited but when it comes down to it and if they use your name and address to commit a crime and you don't do something legally it becomes your cross to bare then.

So, I will await till Saterday Morning to hear from you when you pick up that package. If anything changes inform me as soon as you can.

--end of replies--

Interesting that his brother was the recaster, of which I had been sold some of, and now he has sent out recasts of an equally poor quality, of which my brother has been sold (Sum1). But it totally wasn't him that was doing that before.

SBU has just contacted me and stated that he has received the Dark Eldar codex.

I trust that you can understand the seriousness of this matter and can take the appropriate action if you need to contact me further please do you have my email above buy to clarify it is as follows ciril.jones@yahoo.co.uk practasing solicitor of law

Just had to quote the last line of the message from his legal aid.
This isnt actually official in any way shape or form.
not only that, but i highly doubt it is written by anyone of such education.

First, the constant spelling, typo and grammar issues really do speak volumes.
With such a job you would make sure everything is correct.

Secondly, why on earth is the email address;

a: In a different name? (Ciril or Clive?)
Seems like someone has used a family members email account.

b: A yahoo email account? Something that is not safe (so shouldnt be sending any official works from it)
Also, you will find most people in any forms of legal workings would have a personal email, rather than a 5 minute to set up one free of charge.


So, not only has the said document been written up by a false person (illegal)
It was written as someone of legal standing, giving advice (highly illegal)

I wont comment on the current debate, however, it might be looking into this such person (clive or ciril?) and see what you can find.

Jackal wrote:

I trust that you can understand the seriousness of this matter and can take the appropriate action if you need to contact me further please do you have my email above buy to clarify it is as follows ciril.jones@yahoo.co.uk practasing solicitor of law

Just had to quote the last line of the message from his legal aid.
This isnt actually official in any way shape or form.
not only that, but i highly doubt it is written by anyone of such education.

First, the constant spelling, typo and grammar issues really do speak volumes.
With such a job you would make sure everything is correct.

Secondly, why on earth is the email address;

a: In a different name? (Ciril or Clive?)
Seems like someone has used a family members email account.

b: A yahoo email account? Something that is not safe (so shouldnt be sending any official works from it)
Also, you will find most people in any forms of legal workings would have a personal email, rather than a 5 minute to set up one free of charge.


So, not only has the said document been written up by a false person (illegal)
It was written as someone of legal standing, giving advice (highly illegal)

I wont comment on the current debate, however, it might be looking into this such person (clive or ciril?) and see what you can find.

I won't disagree with you Jackal. Don't take this as such. Take it more as a 'Devil's Advocate' type post.
One of my buddies is a very successful lawyer. Highly educated. One of the smartest people I've ever known.
Everything I've ever gotten from him professionally has been spectacularly written. Every privately sent email, etc., has been quite bad. His spelling is horrible.
That's because his ASSISTANTS write anything legal that he needs done but does not have a form letter for. If it were up to him to write it, there would be few spelling mistakes (spell check), but possibly plenty of grammatical and usage (their/there/they're) errors.

This letter could very well have been written by a lawyer. I would be more along the lines of believing it was a buddy of his doing it from home than a professionally retained counsel, however.

As for Ciril vs. Clive? Nicknames.
My grand daughter's name is Erin. We sometimes call her "Frank" or "Frankie." See a connection? LOL
At least the "lawyer" has a first initial in common. LOL

Eric

If you read the comments about the naming - something to do with Ciril - that is actually an established lawfirm or something to that effect and the person that wrote that letter was either doing so as a representative of that firm or using their e-mail address to make his letter seem more official.

At least that's the way I understood it.

Edit: Also, the format of the letter, down to the typos, is similar to what we've been reading in this very thread from SBU.

Have an open trade currently going with him. Sent my SoB and he sent his Grey Knights. I'm hoping they will arrive soon, but these posts damped my spirits.

I did a trade with him recently and he had some items received damaged, which he did show me picture proof. He requested £12 to be returned for items he purchase totallying £18 inc £3 delivery. The item(s) ni question he paid £5 for and he only shown me proof of one. He told me some models had become bent but these were securely wrapped in bubblewrap and impossible to bend without unwrapping them. When I challenged him with this he didn't mention the models again and I send him £8 refund instead of £12.

He was demanding more money back than he paid. Why would he expect over double payment back for a £5 item for? After all only shown me proof of one damaged item which I am pretty sure could have been repaired. To add salt into the wounds he also gave me a 3 day ultimatum to refund him or he would report me to paypal.

I would be wary with this trader.

Also, that letter, funny that is has the same spelling and grammar errors as SBU's does sent to me.

Nothing personal, but just beware. Someone asking for more money back for a damage item than what they paid is taking the piss if you ask me.


Mod edits: again, as with every Transaction Report, please avoid the name callings and stick to the facts. Thanks

FWIW, I recently did a large trade with SBU several weeks ago, over 200 hundred LotR figures for 23 FoW tanks.

We agreed on a day to ship them out first class recorded, i sent mine and gave him the tracking, he however did not. I gave him another day and sent him several PM's asking when/if he is going to post them. Although i got a slightly offensive response, he did apologise later, he told me he was having problems with one of his kids. Being the nice guy that i am i understood this, i gave him a few days to post them, he did and i received them in perfect condition.

His grammar etc, is poor but readable and he is a very nice guy (he offered to help me with lists and he did). So i do not think that he is trying to 'rip' anyone of, however i was wary of his late posting of the items.

The communication today (The Package Arrived):

From: sbu
To: Pipboy101
Date: 2011/03/30 14:05:53
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:armorcast
please can i have your email address so i can send pictures as requested as i picked up parcel in my lunch break it has been well battered and there are some minor brerakages but have pick of all and they are easy fixable ( mainly wheels have come of but you will see from pics how battered the box was )

hope to hear from you soon

sbu



From: Pipboy101
To: sbu
Date: 2011/03/30 14:13:50
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:armorcast
I wonder what the issue was that would cause such box damage? I do understand the wear and tear that international shipping can cause so I made sure to tape it with 4 times the normal amount of packing tape that I would use for domestic shipping just in case a 400 pound gorrilla handles it. By seeing the damage on it I can tell you what caused that damage as I use to work for a couple of airlines also so some international packages do get put on commerical airlines going overseas.

My email is: m!@#$%^&*()1@yahoo.com

I will close my end of the TR and post a +1 for you as soon as the pics arrive.

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I bought 2 armorcast oop chaos engines from SBU.

He offered them for a very nice and fair price and the goods were in perfect condition.

I guess the main problem is sending items from EU/UK to US and US to EU/UK, always ask for tracking and insurance, especially if the item cost is high.

SBU has provided the pictures of the two items I had sent him. However, there was no picture of the box they were shipped in. While I do understand some damage to the box or even to the items in route to the buyer because these items are put on airplanes, boats and even on horseback all depending where they are going the damage to the barrels on these two vehicles are very odd.

The wheels on these vehicles are only glued on with little or nothing else to hold them on so seeimg them off was not a surprise but the barrels. The both look like someone that has never delt with old Armorcast stuff tried to pry the barrel off the Spleenrippa and didn't realise that the body and barrel were one solid piece.

Now the barrel damage to the Gobsmasha mskes me scratch my head. The barrel is not part of the main body and should have come completely off the main hull but the end of the barrel almost looks like out was cut off the vehicle. Very odd damage to both vehicles to say the least.

Now since I am not at my home computer I have not had a chance to inspect the pictures closer yet and only saw them in thumbnail views on my phone. I will post this pictures later today as I stated before that I would. Wish I could haves seen the box they came in and I could have been able just from the pictures what happened to them.

But as I promised earlier I am closing my part of this transaction report. For all those with posts in this transaction report it is still open while your posts are unresolved with SBU.So for both sides please continue to communicate and make sure to keep all communication as transparent as possible with the rest of dakka. Again as soon as I am at a desktop system I will post the pictures for everyones inspection.

Good night and good luck.


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Well, here one of the pictures SBU send. They are so close to each other that I only need to post one:



Communications between the two of us:

SBU's email to me -

please find the pics of the item that i colected yesterday

the box was well beaten up looked like sombody had been playing football with it

could not get a pic of the unopened box as it had already been opened by customs and i again had to open it infront of the postal guy and go through the contants

the breakages as you can see are mainly the component parts i.e the wheels have all come of but they are seperate bits and so the glue has just failed and they can be stuck bac opn the only actual breaks as such as the 2 barrals both are relativly clean braeks and so i imagine that they can be glued back on with little or no fuss

i am slightly disapointed with this but the bother this trade has caused far outwieghs this and i am prepared to overlook these problems just to put an end to this trade so we can both go our seperate ways and you can close the transaction report (that was very hasty and uncalled for but then some people are like that)

many thanks

sbu


From: Pipboy101
To: sbu
Date: 2011/03/31 07:30:57
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:armorcast
The pictures have arrived and I post one of them to the TR. I have closed out my part of the TR. I will be posting a +1 for you in the Dakka Swap as I promised.



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I closed out my section of the TR as promised.

As Pipboy101 mentions, for those of you with ongoing trades with sbu please continue to post updates here. Please only post if you have relevant, factual information to add about the trades/traders in question.

Edit: Update, sbu will be at least temporarily unable to post here while we follow up on the evidence linked to in this thread, as the actions of recasting and sockpuppeting (creating a second user account, particularly to avoid disciplinary action) are the most serious offenses possible on Dakka. We have also confirmed that Forgeworld is investigating this person for recasting.

Please PM me for his outside contact information if you have an ongoing trade, as he will not be able to receive PMs here.

I was doing some commission work for SBU when he just stopped contacting me through email, dakka, everything. He providided no excuse and I have attempted to contact him several times but to no avail.

After 5th April i will resume work on the commission pieces and sell them on ebay as this was thedeadline and I want to give him as much chance as possible.

PM sent to tantan628 with SBU's email. Hope it helps him get results.

To reiterate, just in case anyone missed it, anyone currently involved in a trade with SBU will need to begin contacting him via email. I can provide it, or the others you have seen posting above. We don't allow the posting of personal information in TRs, hence it not being posted in this thread.

Well I have communicated with SBU a little recently and it is just going in circles. Now I am tired hearing that the tanks I bought are EXACTLY the same as the ones in the pictures I received. So I figured that perhaps Dakka could identify the same differences that I could. The following messages contain the comparisons





At that point I was unaware that gamesroomclearout2010 and SBU were the same person/brothers (has that yet to be determined?)







That is all for now. As stated earlier I would like to know if you guy think they are the same tanks or not.

Can somebody please PM me with SBU's email, it is nearing the end of another week and still nothing in the mail from him, even though he lives in england how is it that I have not gotten the SM codex but he PMed me that he received the DE codex within 2 weeks. I am beginning to think that nothing was sent at all.

I have to agree with you that the items you received are recast. The front grill if the tell tale sign of a recast due to the amount flash. You do have a strong case.

Pipboy101 wrote:I have to agree with you that the items you received are recast. The front grill if the tell tale sign of a recast due to the amount flash. You do have a strong case.

Trust me they are A LOT worse than that. I will likely post more pictures soon.

Pm sent to the night stalker the email address.

I sent him an email telling him of the situation will wait to see if theres a reply, I also did a google search on Tony Heath Recaster, and now I really just have no hope left of getting the dex from him, it seems as though this guy is a professional scammer and a counterfiter. In all I am out about 42$, not the end of the world but I have still been scammed.

::sigh:: I knew it was too good to be true.

I have been in contact with SBU about trading for the very same Grot Tanks sum1thtdiesalot just posted.

PMs:



Reply:




Reply:


After this he switched to e-mail-only. I suspect due to this TR.




Reply

Subject: Re: grot tank pics


Antony,
















This last one is a bit damning as far as what he's telling Pip about his dastardly little brother that he never talks to anymore.

That is all we can do is wait and see sometimes. Keep pressure on him and you might get some results.


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Scratch the basecoat on the bottom of the tank and look at the color of the resin.forge world only uses one color of resin. Just composite it to the website along with where recessed details are this will tel you if it is a recast. I am pretty good at spotting fake Fw, armorcas, epicast and FoW. The devil is in the details.

sum1thtdiesalot, any chance you can cut a portion of a model off and expose the resin underneath? Or scrape off some paint to show that it's not FW gray resin?


edit: great minds think alike, Pip.


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Upon further review of my PMs I had previously received an offer to trade for some Armorcast resin models from SBU also.

Date: 2011/03/17 08:41:16
Subject: Re:Re:Re:Re:resin items

the only ork stuff i have are the gomsmashers and spleinrippas

Ok, thank you slave for posting those emails. He sent those using a blackberry when he said he was having an issue with his internet and really did not have another way to get ahold of me or others.

As I said before, the devil is in the details and he made a huge mistake sending those emails without proofreading them. If you are going tell a person whom job was to investigate and find the truth amongst the lies don't leave evidence around or broacast to others involved in a transaction report. Seeing this SBU it is tempting to pull my +1 for you. However, I promised to leave one for you so it stays. So everyone, if he does claim to be having tribble with his home computer internet he has a blackberry so he is not out of touch.


just take a small bit of the paint underneith to expose the resin. Also is any of the paint look like it is wet ourweeping and sticky. That is the sign of a poor resin mixture.

I found this odd little tidbit while scrolling through the messages SBU has posted

"just what i heard from my source at FW (brother works in head office) as for them being limited at the open day last year i was only allowd to by 2 and that was at a push at games day you can buy as many as you like but from past experience at the open day they do limmit the amount bought

also i have been told its a grey knight but my sourse has been wrong in the past (BUT NOT THAT OFTERN) cheers sbu

p.s i will be buying as many as i am aloud if they are grey knights to use as my ghost warriors and pos paladin variants"


- I find it significant that he mentions this "brother" who is suppossed to be the one who committed all of these crimes yet here he says he works for FW? Something isnt right, I have a feeling there is no brother at all.

Just keep on him about your stuff. If we can at least g get all of these deal resolved then the mods and the community can decide what to do about him. I think with all the angles everyone is coming from his stories are cracking. Also with paypal not listening his funding is dried up.

Been 3 1/2 weeks with no sign of my Grey Knights yet.

Keeping my fingers crossed. I hope I can give him a +1 rather than cry myself to sleep over a giant loss.

@Slave
(Was going to abbreviate your ID to STD... but decided otherwise, after typing it LOL).
I think you're hosed.
PayPal is most likely going to side with him, unfortunately.
If you buy a pound of gold and he sends a pound of cow manure, he sent SOMETHING. They have a history of siding AGAINST the complaintant in those cases. You'd have been better off to have never received anything.

Your best bet is to contact Forgeworld... especially if there are multiple people here who received recasts from him.
In the past (with GW models), GW has been known to trade you for the real thing, when possible, and keep the recasts to use when they go after the recaster.

Best of luck, guys!


Eric

MM (your abbreviation is much less amusing...lol)

To be clear, I haven't sent anything to SBU. Luckily I saw this TR and dodged a bullet.

Pip, you're my favorite person! Thanks.

I've met SBU face to face for a trade, I've seen and been offered counterfeit miniatures. Thus guy lives around 15-20 mins from me, thought he was a good guy, traded my SoB army for his orks. Needless to say I traded around 200+ quids worth of sisters for a load of resprayed AoBR models... My own fault for not checking the box while talking in mcdonalds car park in caerwys.

I was offered grot tanks, grot mega tanks and random bases.

If you receive said products from SBU check the bottom of the tracks as he can't cast these and they have become a blob of resin.

I didnt want to believe this thread as he seemed a nice guy, and he had brought his little boy along so I just assumed he was a good family man. Tony if you read this mate, just pack it all in, own up and sort it out now before it goes to far, got your little lad to think of!

Liam

THe grot tanks i got exactly the same pics as every one else seems to get, as i said i go the offer of the 2 armour casts. Never got them, he says he never got the CSM i sent him and its been near a full month now, I have just given up.

Have got no replies on here from him, the emails he has sent me have all been very blunt and saying he sent them and didnt get what i sent.

What the hell do i do now? apart from nothing lol.

gloomygrim wrote:

THe grot tanks i got exactly the same pics as every one else seems to get, as i said i go the offer of the 2 armour casts. Never got them, he says he never got the CSM i sent him and its been near a full month now, I have just given up.

Have got no replies on here from him, the emails he has sent me have all been very blunt and saying he sent them and didnt get what i sent.

What the hell do i do now? apart from nothing lol.

Raise it with the Police / Royal Mail as mail fraud. Also worth going to Trading Standards, something like that - sounds like he is a prolific scammer so he may well already be on their radar.

Here is GW's legal department central email dealing with counterfiting:

infringement@games-workshop.co.uk

Legal@games-workshop.co.uk

Drop them an email with your proof and see what they say. Their email will reject any pictures.

Ketara has already been in contact with Forgeworld twice about this person. Originally, under his first ID "gamesroomclearout2010", and they confirmed they were investigating him for recasting. He called again recently and they confirmed the same. Apparently, they're taking their time about it...

Regardless, he won't be able to post on Dakka anymore. However, the fact that he already snuck back on once is concerning... I would caution people to be on the lookout for anyone asking them to ship to "Anthony/Tony Heath" in Flintshire in the UK. He did not use a different address when he came back on here, so presumably this is the only one he has access to (and please, due to our policy on private information, no one post the full address in this thread).

For the moment, I will leave this thread open for people to coordinate their efforts. As I said, Ketara already contacted Forgeworld. There is a link to report him to his local police department here: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=214085&page=1

Beyond that, please only post if you have a pending trade or more information to add that is helpful to resolving people's issues with him. It does seem that he has followed through on many trades, so those of you who are waiting on items may still be able to recover something by communicating through email. Those who paid by Paypal should definitely file a claim if you received counterfeit items.

for people who are bad enough to be actually banned from using dakka and/or the swap shop, should we start a separate small list on the top of the swap shop thread listing their real names and city/country (but not the complete address) in case they get a new separate account and continue to scam? somehow i feel that this person will try again as will hoorah; they were "successful" enough to probably want to try again.

The Night Stalker wrote:I found this odd little tidbit while scrolling through the messages SBU has posted

"just what i heard from my source at FW (brother works in head office) as for them being limited at the open day last year i was only allowd to by 2 and that was at a push at games day you can buy as many as you like but from past experience at the open day they do limmit the amount bought

also i have been told its a grey knight but my sourse has been wrong in the past (BUT NOT THAT OFTERN) cheers sbu

p.s i will be buying as many as i am aloud if they are grey knights to use as my ghost warriors and pos paladin variants"


- I find it significant that he mentions this "brother" who is suppossed to be the one who committed all of these crimes yet here he says he works for FW? Something isnt right, I have a feeling there is no brother at all.

Forgeworld and GW HQ are in Nottingham. This chap and his 'brother' would be based in Liverpool. Therefore it would be impossible to live in Flintshire where he does, and still work for Forgeworld. Also, considering he has claimed past Forgeworld recasts coming from that address were from his brother, why on earth would his brother be recasting stuff if he worked at Forgeworld?

In other words, his 'brother' is a complete work of fiction I'm sorry to say. The pieces do not match up.

After seeing all the posts to everyone, to his I and after a putting the photographs he sent me on a hi-def screen I needed to do something more. So I sent an email to the GW Legal Department.

I've actually already cotnacted Forgeowlrd (and thus GW ) a few times over this guy.

However, its entirely possible if you offer to send them the recasts, that they'll reimburse you with the original items. I believe that's their policy anyway.

I will be contacting GW as well on behalf of my brother (Sum1) and myself. Will keep posted.

Has there been any progress for anybody?

Ketara wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:I found this odd little tidbit while scrolling through the messages SBU has posted

"just what i heard from my source at FW (brother works in head office) as for them being limited at the open day last year i was only allowd to by 2 and that was at a push at games day you can buy as many as you like but from past experience at the open day they do limmit the amount bought

also i have been told its a grey knight but my sourse has been wrong in the past (BUT NOT THAT OFTERN) cheers sbu

p.s i will be buying as many as i am aloud if they are grey knights to use as my ghost warriors and pos paladin variants"


- I find it significant that he mentions this "brother" who is suppossed to be the one who committed all of these crimes yet here he says he works for FW? Something isnt right, I have a feeling there is no brother at all.

Forgeworld and GW HQ are in Nottingham. This chap and his 'brother' would be based in Liverpool. Therefore it would be impossible to live in Flintshire where he does, and still work for Forgeworld. Also, considering he has claimed past Forgeworld recasts coming from that address were from his brother, why on earth would his brother be recasting stuff if he worked at Forgeworld?

In other words, his 'brother' is a complete work of fiction I'm sorry to say. The pieces do not match up.

Could one actually work for FW, and be selling the mis-casts that would otherwise be re-used or trashed?

Possible but highly unlikely. Plus all of the previous evidence online and from here points to recasting than an employee selling miscasts at or near full forge world prices. Also, his address is nowhere close to the forge world offices for even a long daily commute. Interesting idea but very, very unlikely.

These are not miscasts, they are recasts. wrong color resin and everything.

The police are slightly confused as to what i want them to do, spoke with them and they said unless i have proof he has broken the law theres not nothing they can do. I dont know much about laws concerning things like this, Should it be raised as a multiple complaint from everyone involved or should each of us have an individual repor made against him?

As it stands he no longer replies to me so getting any info from him is looking like it wont happen.

Print out your correspondences with him and take them to the Post. File charges of Mail Fraud against him (or whatever you Brits call it).

gloomygrim wrote:
The police are slightly confused as to what i want them to do, spoke with them and they said unless i have proof he has broken the law theres not nothing they can do. I dont know much about laws concerning things like this, Should it be raised as a multiple complaint from everyone involved or should each of us have an individual repor made against him?

As it stands he no longer replies to me so getting any info from him is looking like it wont happen.

Basically, in AUS it would (roughly) fall under Consumer Affairs as a 'small claim'(under a certain $).

You have all purchased something from a seller/business that has not delivered the item to the agreed quantity/quality or at all...

You are entitled to file a dispute of the contract and place a demand for refund or provision of the originally agreed upon items.

I will now withdraw from thsi thread as my posts are not adding further information, nor was I a victim of this guy/s.

I sincerely hope that you all receive a postitive resolution to this matter.

Anyone have a good email address I can contact GW with? Legal@games-workshop.co.uk kicked back.

Are you attempting to attach pictures? I have noticed that their email kicks back anything that has attachments.


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I took the pictures off and mine with through just fine to them.

Ah, yes I was. How am I supposed to provide screen caps of conversations if I cant send attachments?

Try sending an email explaining the situation. Give them enough details to make them curious.
Advise them that you attempted to include screen shots for them, but that their email address was rejecting anything you sent with attachments. Ask them how to proceed.
If they give a s***, they'll find a way.

Eric

I sent them a link to this thread with a detailed explaination of what had occured.

gloomygrim wrote:
The police are slightly confused as to what i want them to do, spoke with them and they said unless i have proof he has broken the law theres not nothing they can do. I dont know much about laws concerning things like this, Should it be raised as a multiple complaint from everyone involved or should each of us have an individual repor made against him?

As it stands he no longer replies to me so getting any info from him is looking like it wont happen.

i'd ask them in a nonconfrontational way (you want them on your side after all) how this is any different than someone selling counterfeit "designer" purses on the sidewalk. they should be able to prosecute it the same way.

Hello,
SBU aka heath etc etc. is effectively a recaster, who sell very bad recast of everything, his resin is probably toxic too some guy contact me after buy his scrap and tell me have some health problem (asthma, itch, urticaria) but I can't nothing for they... so I can again explain here why you must be
I deposit a complaint about this guy in UK wait a mail of north police and two lawyers

if you want effectively have an answer to your problems I engage you to send mail of complaint
here for GW recast :
legal@games-workshop.co.uk
here with UK justice :
northwalespolice@nthwales.pnn.police.uk

or you can join paypal legal service easily with your account (idem for ebay)

if you need more information about this recaster (name address etc) you can contact me or littleleadmen.

ebay deleted is old account so probably if many complaint arrive to is paypal account they delete also his account, no possibility to sell his scrap is a good alternative too.

Just got an email from paypal asking for more documentation for a refund, including:

"1. Obtain a document from an unbiased third-party, such as a dealer,
appraiser, or an organization that is qualified in the area of the item in
question (other than you). This document should contain the following:
• Detailed description as to why the item is not authentic (i.e., how the
item differs from an authentic item, how the person evaluating the item
determined that it is not authentic, etc.).
• If possible, the document should include a serial number and must be on
letterhead that includes the name, address, and phone number of the
authenticating party so that we can contact them directly, if necessary. "

I think I should get GW to do this, but dont think it would get done in time. Any thoughts?

As to talking to the police, and whether to start your own individual report/case about him or a collective one, on this page it is suggested that you reference his name and case file, listed at the bottom of the post:

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=214085&page=1

whalemusic, I agree that you probably won't be able to get a response from GW "official" in time. Have you considered just taking them in to a store, perhaps if you know the manager, and getting him to sign/write a document listing them as recasts? They could be considered "a dealer qualified in the area of the item in question."

Problem being my "l"gs is 45 min each way, and closes at 5, which is when I get off work.

Hopefully GW will take interest now that I can email them, and will want the models so I can cancel the paypal claim.

SBU is Tony Heath, aka SBU Castings. Tony Heath was recently BANNED from this board.

This is a common scam that he pulls on people. He did it to me and tried to claim he didn't receive my package from the US to North Wales, then made a $1000 paypal claim against me. He later showed up selling RECASTS of the very items he purchased from me.

For anyone in the future, he lives in Connah's Quay, Flintshire. Some of the unmistakable elements to be on the look out for:

1. His spelling is awful and his concept of the English language is challenging, at best. His spelling and diction will get worse as you challenge him. He literally falls apart under confrontation and accusations.
2. He has claimed to be any of the following IDs and names:

Tony Heath.
AJ Heath.
Antony Heath.
Liz Heath.
Ciril jones and/or Cyril Jones (and claims to be a solicitor).
SBU
SBU Castings
Heath Scenery
New Heathy
Wargames Clearout, sometimes Wargames Clearout 2010.

He has two main scams. Scam #1 is to purchase items then claim they didn't arrive. He'll start complaining about his Postal service early on, then state that the item never arrived. He then files a false "non receipt of goods" claim with Paypal or Ebay.

Scam #2 is that tony likes to sell recasts of everything. Peter Pig 15mm, Forge World, Games Workshop, Armourcast, etc. If you have an original hard-to-find model for sale, he will try to buy it from you in order to sell the recast on ebay. His current ID on Ebay for sales is "LizHeath". There is some evidence that he may also go by "Sternguard". Previously it was "HeathScenery".

Please document transactions with him. There are investigations on him with Trading Standards, and the North Wales Police Department is aware of him. I the US, you could be a victim of this crime and it would easy- you just report it to the FBI. Unfortunately in the UK it's different. There doesn't seem to be a single "go-to" agency for this kind of consumer fraud and protection.

We have to police ourselves as gamers, as Tony Heath has shown no interest in stopping. He will continue to defraud people.

What should I do if I never even receive anything from him?
I traded some SoB models to him and never even received my side of the trade, recasted or otherwise.

You can file a postal mail fraud claim against him with the UK Royal Mail. Also contact Trading Standard in the UK. They have been investigating Heath for awhile. Send Martin at Peter Pig Miniatures an email- he can bring you up to speed and give you contact info for claims. He's waged a crusade against Heath for some time now!

How does one go about filing a postal mail fraud claim with UK Royal Mail?

Has anybody gotten a response from his email address? Ever since he was banned here I have not heard anything.

Here is GW's legal's response to my email about SBU:

RE: Possible recastingTuesday, April 12, 2011 1:20 PM
From: "Infringement" <Infringement@games-workshop.co.uk>
To: "*!*" <*1*@yahoo.com>

Our ref: 11171

*&@&!)@

Thank you for this. We are aware of this guy, but all information is useful.

Regards



Gill Stevenson
Senior Legal Counsel
Group Legal Department
Games Workshop Group PLC
Tel: +44 (0)115 900 4124

That doesnt sound real promising...

Still nothing from him. Guess that's my money down the crapper without even a recast in return.

It's more then I have got back.

whalemusic360 wrote:It's more then I have got back.

From him or GW?

Well, if GW is working on legal action against him I do not think they would tell us anything about it. This was more than I thought I would get. I am glad someone took time to respond since I did not ask for a response.

lucasbuffalo wrote:

whalemusic360 wrote:It's more then I have got back.

From him or GW?

Yes on both.

Right now I am looking into US Small Claims court and see if it's ruling can be enforced in the UK so people that were injuried in the US by SBU can collect their ounce of flesh.

lucasbuffalo wrote:How does one go about filing a postal mail fraud claim with UK Royal Mail?

After a quick Google search it appears Royal Mail will not be a part of it and a claim must be filed with a small claims court unfortunately.

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/infoabout/claims/index.htm

had to post even though i am not involved, sorry RiTides
This guy is an , hope all you guys come out on top, Good Luck.

It seems to be that I am the only one that made any money off of SBU eventhough I think he was going to try and recast the stuff I sold him.

I replaced the SM codex with my own SM codex for Night which he was suppose to receive which Mr. Heath felt that he did not have to part with. All I ask is just for him to pay it forward to another gamer that has run into hard times.

Ok, if you have been defrauded by SBU by buying one of his recasts or his attempt to sell FW contact this GW Legal Rep with the info at this following email or phone number:

Tom.Nanson@games-workshop.co.uk

Tom Nanson
IP Assistant
Group Legal Department
Games Workshop PLC
Tel: +44 (0)115 900 4243

Mr. Nanson contacted me and asked if I had any more information regarding SBU to send it stright to him. So, any pictures, communication or anything of the sort send to him so they can handle the situation of his recasting and selling GW/FW items. At least we know now that they are really working on dealing with SBU and his recasting activities. Who knows, they will take him to court and put an end to his activities.

Thanks Pip, I just emailed him about my brothers and my own dealings.

He got back to me with a generic "Thanks, we will contact you if more info is needed". Not holding my breath.

It seems that SBU may have attempted to sneak back onto Dakka under another user account. Steps have been taken to prevent this happening again; however, I encourage everyone to be on the lookout for any user asking people to ship to "Anthony/Tony Heath" in Flintshire in the UK.

More information about him here to be on the lookout for (already linked to earlier in the thread, but just in case someone missed it):

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=214085&page=1

I saw SBU under the fanatic2011 screen name on here about 10 hours ago. I have proof that it is the same person. This is from the The Warhammer Forum:

http://www.warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=85837


Post subject: New club in Hawarden north wales just outside chester Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:01 am

Hi i have just started attending a new club and thought i would advertise it here as they are trying to get some new members
the club is called Flintshire Fanatics and is held every wednesday night from 6.30 till 11 (although somtimes later ) and every other sunday from 5pm till 10pm it cost £2.50 per person and all boards scenery etc is there and in good supply think there is at least 10 6X4 boards and prob more and 4x4 as well

mainly playing 40K fantasy and warmachine there are also members that play flames of war as well as many others like blood bowl necromunda and other i do not even know (YET !) peopel are very friendly and always willing to teach people a new game etc

it is held at

FLINTSHIRE FANATICS GAMING GROUP
Hawarden youth centre
Grooms croft lane
Hawarden
Flintshire
CH5 3EL

for more info and discution the club email is

flintshirefanatics@yahoo.co.uk

this is regularly monitored by both the organisers and normally get answered within a few hours (wish i had that much time LOL)

also they will be holding there first tournement on may 22 ( sunday) it will be 1500pts 40K with 16-20 players it is a 9am start with 4 games it is £15 entrance wich includes tea/coffe to start and there will be £100+ prize money and prizes again contact the above club email for more details and enty forms etc ( entries with complete army list and enty fee must be in by 10th may at the latest and places are filling up think they have 10 already)

hope to see you all there soon ( tonight i will be there LOL)



His three out of his first four posts on Dakka was asking people to low ball shipping costs to the UK. This is the same tactic as SBU. Since he does not intend to send anything or if he does he sends money in order to dispute the trade to get it back, so shipping costs are the only out of pocket expense in this scam.

So, anyone looking to get thier stuff back or get thier money refunded just look on the front desk of the that youth center and call asking for Mr. Heath at the gaming club. He was nice enough to give the times he will be there.

Some one in the area should go retrieve all our stolen armies :/ lol.

I sincerely hope that he does get done for this stuff, there's always someone out there who will try to pull stuff like this. Just never seen it on such a huge scale. Kind of puts me off doing trades a lot through the post tbh...

You just have to becareful. Use a Commerical company like UPS, FedEx or DHL that require a signature for the package. THis way there is a way that it can be tracked unlike with the royal post or the USPS. Also, as a seller you can be sure to win the Paypal dispute by doing it this way.


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Everyone that was scammed out of items or money email that gaming group of call the Youth Center and ask for the person running the gaming group or for Tony Heath. If you get the person running the events explain to he/she that he could be playing with stolen minis and anything FW, FoW, Armorcast/Epicast could be fakes.

Fanatic2011 is sbu. We are working to take the appropriate measures. In the meantime, do NOT trade with this user.

For the moment, I am editing the title of this TR to make that fact more visible.

I guess that nothing has changed for the other people and getting eithere their money or stuff back. I don't think this will be the last we see of Mr. Tony Heath but he now knows we are watching. So, if the MODS find that he has gotten on here again with another screen name can you keep us posted. Also, can we get the TR title changed so it has his name on it this way people can see the name and not just the old screen names? Thanks.

No, my Paypal claim failed (as expected) because he did actually send something. I can eat the cost, but that my younger brother got ripped off makes me angry. I hope karma bites him in the ass. Or a large dog with rabies.

GW seemed to be uninterested in getting the pieces. They also didnt send me the letter saying they are indeed fakes to forward to paypal until to late.

Still absolutely nothing received fake or otherwise on my end. :/

I've done all I can do short of jumping on a plane and knocking on his door. My package trace came back and it showed that he had gotten the package but we already knew that. I just wish there was something more I could do. This thread already pops up when you type his name in and scam.

Another user alerted me that this could be his current ebay name:

lizheath2010
http://myworld.ebay.com/lizheath2010/?_trksid=p4340.l2559

I will check about adding his name to the title of this TR. Normally we would not do that, but he has been extraordinarily bold in continuing to recast and try to come back under different handles. Will update on that... but either way, people should be pretty well aware to steer clear at this point. My main concern is, as you said, his attempting to come back again.

I just wanted to add that I have seen Tony Heath called out to be lizheath2010 on another blog site by somebody who had former bad dealings with him. He noticed lizheath2010 selling items he traded to him under a different name. Messages exchanged between the two showed SBU's signature punctuation/grammar (or lack of).

whew, I'm glad I walked away from my trade with him. I guess luckily for me it wasn't what I was looking for, so I backed out.

this may be a coincidence but a tony heath bought a canis wolfborn from me on ebay a while back and he tried to claim he never recieved it when i said about claiming ad filling in forms he went quiet it was heath scenery i think just seems very funny that its the same name with a similar problem!!

More than likely the same guy as he does this often.

Today he sell again copy of armorcast models, see his profil you can see the same models sell and sell and sell again
http://shop.ebay.fr/lizheath2010/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25

re-cast again and again

Yup, judging by the infantile grammar, that's him.

I love the way he's undercoated them black and claimed any casting flaws are the problem of a '20 year old process'.

that Gobsmasha sure looks familiar, but unfortunately, it's been primered black, so there no way to tell if the main gun has been damaged prior to priming it.

It'll be a recast of the one Pipboy traded him. However, by undercoating it and makign the comments against the casting process, he's trying to make it look as if its an original, by hiding any casting flaws of his own.

It's a common trick with limited edition/rare figures on ebay. Let's just say if you see a ltd edition rare figure in a base and undercoated, odds are.....it ain't one that came in a packet, if you catch my drift.

I have contacted Paypal, eBay and GW Legal about these items.

I don't get how he's able to just keep coming back to ebay. To here, it made sense, as we have less security than ebay (although what we do have is now all directed his way...) and even now will mostly be relying on community awareness to spot him out.

But ebay? Surely, this is what they do... I would think that if they catch someone coming back onto to their system after being banned, they could take some extreme measures. Then again, maybe I have overestimated them... I recently received no package from an ebay seller, and got my money back through Paypal. But the seller wasn't removed from ebay, despite doing the same thing to a number of others.

Hmmm....

Paypal is going to take action against him right now because I was able to provide proof. They are very interested because he has been stealing money from Paypal by claiming he never received the items and filling disputes for his money back. He is so now.


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I also sent a message to Mr. Tony Heath on Ebay so he knows that we are watching him:


Item Id: 220777563748
End time: May-08-11 07:50:06 PDT

"Dear lizheath2010,

Hello Mr. Tony Heath. Can you show that the item is not a recasted item since you basecoated. This is a common trick of recasters so I want proof that this is not a recast before bidding. This model should be light tan under that basecoat. Thank you.


- pipboy101"

he treied the ebay thing with me but had no joy as i said he would have to claim, cheeky bastard!!

bigdaddy wrote:Today he sell again copy of armorcast models, see his profil you can see the same models sell and sell and sell again
http://shop.ebay.fr/lizheath2010/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25

re-cast again and again

I want to personally thank you for finding this information out for us. You have done the Dakka Community a great service.

Just to let you know Pip, you can actually make resin any colour you want, you just mix dye in.

If he really cared, he could knock you up a light tan one easily enough.

The funny thing is, if he'd been straight with his dealings here, and paid for his goods honestly, he could have happily gone on selling recasts on Ebay with nobody the wiser. Instead, he chose to try and default on the base payments for his goods, and reclaim his investment, and is now reaping the price.

I traded an old ork army I had with sbu a few months ago for a number of thunderwolf cavalry and one of big daddys knight titans. While there wasn't any money involved so he didn't try and scam me that way the models are all recasts and, especially the knight titan, have lots of mould problems.

I've just had a look at that ebay link though and it was quite interesting to see this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Custom-made-and-well-painted-ork-40K-stompa-mega-dread-/220777563134?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item33675e43fe

Which was part of the models I traded him ,as are the orks pictured, so it is definitely him.

Was also nice to find out that I'm "an acomplished modler and painted with 20+ years experience" Even I didn't know that I'd first picked up a paint brush at the age of 2

Alex, you should report the inaccurate description to feebay, so they can yank the ad.

Eric

nidsplitter wrote:this may be a coincidence but a tony heath bought a canis wolfborn from me on ebay a while back and he tried to claim he never recieved it when i said about claiming ad filling in forms he went quiet it was heath scenery i think just seems very funny that its the same name with a similar problem!!

I just wanted to confirm that heathscenery is indeed another one of Tony Heath's aliases.

it seems so and it seems to coincisental that tony heath from heath scenerys played like he has to everyone else why have you had issues?

Yes it is. He uses some of the same things in his screen names such as his name or the year. Go to warhammer.org.uk and he is using the screen name fanatic2011. He is pimping the games club he is in which he does not run. You can look up the number to the building which is a youth center and flood them with calls and emails. Make him uncomfortable for him.

I find it interesting that he has a 100% approval rating on Ebay so why should they throw him out (from their perspective)? Another thing is he has only left feedback for 2 people out of all of his dealings (I won't deal with anyone who can't be bothered to leave feedback for me). I can't believe that so many people would give him positive feedback with all the kerfluffle that he's raised here.
Also note that he is claiming that all of his recent sales are armorcast and not forgeworld products. So by claiming that they are not forgeworld he can avoid problems with them (Until they can show that he is actually using recasts of their products. Then the troubles can start.).

Gw still owns t the 40k armorcast and epicast designs and ip so by saying that they are not forge world does not get him off the hook with gw. By recating and selling them he is as guilty as selling a newly released fw model.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:I find it interesting that he has a 100% approval rating on Ebay so why should they throw him out (from their perspective)? Another thing is he has only left feedback for 2 people out of all of his dealings (I won't deal with anyone who can't be bothered to leave feedback for me). I can't believe that so many people would give him positive feedback with all the kerfluffle that he's raised here.

You notice that the 2 people giving him feedback on eBay are saying the same thing in each of their posts and they're short statements (1 word?, it's been a week or so since I looked at his posts). For all we know, it could be him buying things off of himself to raise his feedback. Or selling things locally. We really don't know aside from what we've heard here. And in his messages to Pipboy and others, he's said that he's had an eBay account closed down before because of his mysterious 'brother'.

Also he has sold more than one of the same item with the same picture. I studied the pictures on ebay and I can see where he glued the barrels back on after recasting. I continue to report his armorcast posts with ebay as recasts and ip infringment.

Hello,
Looking at the cannon of Khorne I can see it is a recast just from the photo, the tailend is not in scale with the rest, and the barrel has a horrid displacement with the rest of the cast (at one time I had 2 of these, actual Armorcast ones). That said I think the advert was in french? So I could not figure out how to report it. I am going to try to report it anothe rway, maybe we can get rid of one of this bastards accounts.

Regards,
Carl


Edit: Figured it out, he is reported.

Pipboy101 wrote:I know that this seems odd that I am doing a transaction report on myself but there seems to be an issue with a package I sent to SBU that has not arrived. I want to put it all out for the public to see that everything is being done by both parties to resolve this issue. First of all I want to say that SBU has been the perfect customer with fast payment and quick communication. So, without further adu here is the facts of the case to this point.

On 03/05/2011, I placed an Armorcast Gobsmasha on Dakka Swap to sell. SBU offered $50.00 USD for the vehicle plus shipping. He stated that he had internation shipping from the US for around $14.00 USD lately. I calculated the shipping and he was very close at $14.20 USD. I quoated $64.20 USD and he agreed. The deal was done.

He messaged me that he was having trouble sending the funds via paypal because of conversion from Pounds to Dollars and requested an Invoice. I agrees and sent him an invoice for $64.20 USD which he quickly paid. Since it was too late to ship the package in person with USPS Clerk I attemept to ship at the automated USPS Office near my house in the morning of 03/06/2011. However, I could not ship the item because of USPS Customs regualtions I had to ship with a live person. I informed SBU of this when I got home via PM on Dakka.

On 03/06/2011, I posted an Armorcast Spleenrippa on Dakka Swap to sell. SBU saw this and offered to buy them. I agreed and combined this shipping which I ate as a cost of doing business. Because of the previous conversion issue I sent him an invoice which he quickly paid via Paypal. Once receiving the payment for the second item the two vehicles were packaged together for shipping.

On 03/07/2011, on my first break at work I went downstairs to the USPS Office in the US Govt Federal Building I work in at Kansas City, MO. I normally ship priority mail and do not have much experence with First Class International Mail I asked for a tracking number. The clerk stated that she could not give me one since they do not do it on First Class International (which I confirmed later on the USPS website.) While not too please with this but I still shipped the item to the Address that was Confirmed on Paypal as promised. Once shipped I returned to my desk and sent a message to SBU that they have shipped.

On 03/08/2011, SBU stated in his reply that he would contact me when they arrive.

On 03/26/2011, I was going through my business receipts and notice the receipt for the vehicles I sent to SBU. I remembered that I have not heard from him yet about if the package has arrived. I sent him a PM on Dakka inquiring about the items I had shipped. He stated that he had not received them yet and was about to contact me about them. Since it is the weekend and both the USPS and Royal Post are not open there was not much I could do at this time.

The thought came to me to check the USPS site and see if the Customs Form Number that was on the receipt would provide any information. Here is the response from the USPS tracking system:

Label/Receipt Number: LC95 5960 055U S
Class: First-Class Mail International
Service(s): International Letter
Status: Acceptance

Your item was accepted at 9:51 am on March 07, 2011 in KANSAS CITY, MO 64106. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.

The USPS shows that they have accepted the Package that was sent to SBU but that is as far as I am able to check since the Royal Post site is horrible and did not give any information when the customs number was entered.

Here is my evidence that I shipped the item:




What I am thinking that has happened is that the package is being held up by Customs in the UK. According to the USPS site the first step in locating the package is for me to do an international trace with the USPS which I will start tomorrow with the USPS office that I shipped the item out from. This process even from their own website can take awhile.

Since, I have have met all the prerequired evidence needed by Paypal for Seller Protection I do whole heartly request that on the 40th day of the transaction if the items have not been received, please to a Paypal Dispute so you can protect yourself. Since I have done everything that the seller protection in the Paypal User Agreement has stated I am protected and will not lose any money for the missing items. Also, since I did this and if you file before the close of the 45 day window you should receive a refund from Paypal.

The communications between SBU and I have been friendly and informative on this issue. He stated last night that he his going to go to the Royal Post Office and contact Customs with the Customs Office there in the UK to see if this will help. I hope this transaction report will show that not only SBU and I are both doing everything we can to resolve this issue but also show that both sides are trustworthy Dakka members in Dakka Swap. I will gladly do business with SBU at anytime.

P.S. I am requesting any information if there has been a slowdown of items being shipped from the US to the UK. Or is the UK Customs having any issues which could explain the delay in processing toy models?

Without a tracking number, PayPal will refund him via your cash mate.

Take this from a former Ebay Powerseller and someone who had to take PayPal to court.

i don't know if this is relavent or not, but i am currently doing commissions for sbu/fanatic2011 and having done 1/4 of the force (he was sending it to me in parts) and returning it to him, he has dropped all contact with me. i would just like to know how likely it is that is am getting paid for the work i have done

Sorry to say most likely not. He has a bad habit of not paying or saying that it was never received so he can defraud paypal and you. Keep us updated please.

he has sent me a pm saying that he recieved the items, and that his gaming club will have seen them. however it has been three months (ish) since i have heard from him

Contact his gaming club. The info is on warhammer.org.uk. Mr. tony heath is under fanatic2011 the and he posts there. Join and pm or open message him there also.

will do, but if worst comes to worst i can always sift through my pm's to find out where he lives. lol

I have his address, plus I just called him out that forum site. you can pester him at his gaming club by phone since it is a public youth center. And since you are in the same country you can file charges for mail fraud or theft against him.

unfortunatley calling his club may be expensive because i am in england and he is in wales. but i may be able to call the landline free from home. and i am deffinitley considering the charges of mail fraud if he doesn't contact me soon

I would. Something has to be done about him.

i am currently in discussion with the gaming group, although i have not disclosed any details yet

Great, keep us updated.

my problem is being resolved, it appears mr heath has lost the ability to keep regular contact with people. so after emailing his club, i got a response. i have also warned the club about his activities and left it to them to decide what to do

He can't keep regular contact with the people he's (apparently) ripped off, but he can stay active on feebay, selling his recasts?

Don't believe the shenaniganery.


Eric

meh. if he sends me more work, i'm happy. but if he sends me any recasts to paint, i will reject them and contact GW


EDIT: grammar revision

Well, he is on Warhammer.org.uk everyday so he gets online on a regular basis. He always says that he has problems with his internet. It's just par for the course for him.

hmm, he has said this to me in the past. i'm not sure whether he is something i need to worry about at this time, seeing as he has resumed contact with me. albeit i gave him pretty much not choice other than sever all ties with his gaming club and move house.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rare-armourcast-nt-forgeworld-40K-CSM-Cannon-Khorne-/220781201197?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item336795c72d
http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/lizheath2010/?_trksid=p4340.l2559

After reading this post i went to see if i could find his profile on the UK ebay. I've found it and he seems to be selling many a recasts.
(Posted after the only ebay link i could find was in french)
Hopefully this may aid people i trying to avoid sales with him.

EDIT: Grammar!!

*Reported.

Looks like ebay pulled most of his auctions that invoke armorcast. I started contacting the people that bought the fake spleenrippas and gobsmashas. Also, he is pissed that I called him out on warhammer.org.uk to the point that he is calling me names.

Just a reminder to all, this thread remains open to facilitate communication about this person/user for people that need it... it is also helpful that some of you are taking the initiative to warn people on other sites.

However, please refrain from name-calling as that is against general Dakka rules (however well-deserved in this case).

I am not sure how much longer we will leave this thread open, but at the moment it seems he is still selling recasts on ebay, so the more information out there about it, the better.

There is not much that can be done on dakka about it. This thread shows up on google now with his name. not much but a small win. I will still keep on him to make sure that he knows we are watching.

I was just contacted by a friend and he just told me that a DCM was just taken by Mr. Tony (Antony) Heath 's recasting scam on eBay. I am trying to get the name of the DCM so we can add in on here. This DCM will ba able to provide proof of the recast since he should have the mini. It is a Khorne Blood Cauldron from Armorcast.

Mr. Tony Heath's eBay listing name right now is: lizheath2010

Here is the eBay listing:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220777561733&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_500wt_1156

It's logg_frogg.

Thank you. I will contact him and see if he can post on here with the info.

I think there is an excellent chance in this case that ebay will do something about it. I was really surprised to see that he had 100% feedback on that account up until now...

I have noticed something about the Ebay listings that may be helpful in identifying when he uses other names.

The way he lists the item, its description and bacground information seems to be consistant with the few other ebay scams that have been identified as belonging to this guy.

I think if any of us here are doing any bidding on Ebay, look closely at the listing and the details in it. Try to see if they match what is seen here. If what I see is indeed true, then we can keep a better eye on this guys activities even if he tried to do it under a different name.


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Addendum;

I looked back through this guys listing of stuff he sold, and one of them I noticed something very interesting, so makes me have to agree that this is a recast or something more illegal.

I've seen two seperate postings for a Armorcast Tyranid Gargantuan Exocrine, both with the exact same picture yet sold for different prices and to different people.

For those who are bidding on Ebay, I would now suggest looking carefully at the pictures being shown and compair them when possible to any past sold merchandise from this person on any of the known names he's been identified with. Best way to do that is look at the Feedback listings, if its less than 90 days old, you should be able to pull up the old acution and compair what your currently bidding on to what this person is offereing. If you see the same picture or the details are the same or very very simular, then chances are, your getting scammed.

One thing, he always says that he got the item from somewhere else and he believes that it is _____(whatever he's recast).

SlaveToDorkness wrote:One thing, he always says that he got the item from somewhere else and he believes that it is _____(whatever he's recast).

Checked out quite a few of his ads, good tactic on his part as he is claiming what he believes it is. He isn't claiming it to be a genuine 'whatever'.

That may help ease him out of trouble, unfortunately.

They ust have the worst luck ever with the post, as now the item I sold to them on eBay has not arrived. The first time this has ever happened to me in a few years of occasional eBay selling.

Will have to look out the proof of postage (which I do have somewhere), but as it wasn't sent with any sort of tracking, I'm not sure what will happen...

When I saw that name bidding on my item, I was tempted to cancel the bid - If only I had

No tracking?

You are S-O-L.

He has a long history of claiming things have not arrived and then turning around in a month or 2 and mysteriously selling something that LOOKS like yours.. but oh no.. not actually yours.. cause that one got LOST! (Becuase he is oh-so-honest and would tell you if it got there!)

Hope it was not much.. he is most likely going to ask for his money back cause you "failed to deliver"..

-Porkuslime

Yeah, I just hope that if I find the proof of postage I can at least claim the money back from the Royal Mail...

You know with all these packages gone missing someone should report it to the Royal Mail. It's obvious that these all of these packages can't be lost. Someone must be pilfering them from the post itself. The Royal Mail should investigate the problem with his route and take whatever actions it deems necessary. I'm sure it would be helpful if whoever did report this could supply a list of people who have sent packages but never had them delivered along with the approximate date of mailing and value of said packages.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:You know with all these packages gone missing someone should report it to the Royal Mail. It's obvious that these all of these packages can't be lost. Someone must be pilfering them from the post itself. The Royal Mail should investigate the problem with his route and take whatever actions it deems necessary. I'm sure it would be helpful if whoever did report this could supply a list of people who have sent packages but never had them delivered along with the approximate date of mailing and value of said packages.

Where's that facepalm orkmoticon?

Ah....

I think he was being sarcastic...
Anyways, I got offered replacements by gw legal finally, so shipped it out on friday. Will keep posted.

I thought the sarcasm would have been obvious. But the idea of reporting him for mail fraud was what I was getting at.

I thought people had already reported some of these occurrences to Royal Mail (particularly Pipboy101?).

Unfortunately, it hasn't seemed to do anything thus far...

Any luck contacting logg_frogg / making progress on that front with Ebay, Pipboy?

Slinky wrote:Yeah, I just hope that if I find the proof of postage I can at least claim the money back from the Royal Mail...

That's not going to happen, if it wasn't insured.

I CBA to look back over the thread. Isn't SBU in the US?
If so, then you MIGHT be lucky:
Since there's a Customs # on the package you sent, there MIGHT be something the USPS can do with that #.

Have you tried plugging your customs # into the tracking window at www.usps.com?
EVERY NOW AND THEN, a customs # will pop up on there. They aren't supposed to but, sometimes, they do.




He's going to claim it wasn't received.
What you will need to do is show them your proof of sending and make sure to point out his history of making claims like this, as well as his counterfeitting claims. Point at this thread for proof.

Good luck.

Eric

Sorry for the late post. I got ahold of logg and past on the info I had to him of my contact to gw legal. Also I had a guy go to the tourny that mr heath was holding and he did not see the stuff that people lost to Mr Heath. I have been watching his ebay account every other day for any thing that could have been a possible recast and reporting it to ebay and gw legal.

Now what was the log on that he used to buy your item? Also have you contacted paypal yet about this? They already know about him and his little scam to defraud you and paypal. Call paypal yourself report that he is a confirmed scammer and that he is trying to do it again. Second, contact ebay also about it. After that contact mr heath and tell him that you contacts paypal and ebay about him attempting to scam you. The item will show up in his customs office mangled a week later.

Also, SBU (tony heath) is in the uk. You can m get ahold of him on warhammer.org.uk. He uses the screen name fanatic2011. If you confront him on the open forum he will call you a liar but the mods and admins are disgusted by him and will not delete the posts sp all can see.

Since you are in the uk you can look in to mail fraud. His local police have an open file on him because every little fraud adds up. I have been taking down this scammers aliss and different log ons he is using. So what was the ebay screen name because he has been banned from ebay before so this info would go along way to getting his ip banned on ebay. It could even result in civil damages against him because he is using their property to commit crimes thus damaging ebay's good name.

I just pissed him off. This is the response I got from him because of a message I sent to him that I contacted Ebay about his newest auction. Also, I informed him that if I feel that if he is selling something that is a possible recast I will inform the buyer to contact Ebay and Paypal and to contact the Post Office for possible mail fraud. Here is his response. Study the spelling, grammer and sentence structure as you see it again on here, ebay or other sites because he attempts to get back on shortly after being booted off the site.

Reply as of 06/06/2011:

"Dear pipboy101,

these are not fakes and nothing to do with GW i have reported YOUR actions to ebay as this is cyber terorism and very illegal and it is you that will be getting sued also may i add your efforts to wrongly get done whatever it is you are aiming for are failing as the last poor indervidual ( who boght my originals ) tried to contact ebay and paypal who both investigated fully and found in my fovour as the items were originals is now being sued for fraud and i am taking legal action against them as warned when they jumped on your band wagon

how many more people are YOU going to take down with you before YOUR MAD and fictitious crusade ends

please do not contact me or any of my buyers again as if you were in the u.k i would be taking action ( direct action possibly) against you but for now just your unsuspecting victims who are happy with there purchase until you get in touch with them and corupt there mine with evil untruths and then force then to commit fraud and loose and thus it is them and not you that are paying the price i have 100% feedback and the only way you can contact buyers is when they have left pos feedback wich they all have as the ORIGINAL none copyrighted material is more that they hoped for and they are all and will all be happy good day and keep your yank nose out of it


- lizheath2010"

Here is the auction in question:

armorcast Resin 40K scale Tyranid Gargantuan Exocrine

http://cgi.ebay.com/armorcast-Resin-40K-scale-Tyranid-Gargantuan-Exocrine-/220795194289?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D459598515597737708

Holy crap... he's going to sue you... in England!! (South Park joke) Perhaps he'll use the "lawyer" that previously posted the message a few months back with the same mangled spelling and grammar.

A line from a song from the 90s, "things that make you go hmmmm....." Makes me wonder what he is thinking.

I'm just astounded that he still has 100% positive feedback...

Anyway, added my report to the list

filbert wrote:I'm just astounded that he still has 100% positive feedback...

Anyway, added my report to the list

You can't leave bad feedback for a buyer any more...

what?!? then how do people know if they are bad?

WAAAAGGHH-god wrote:what?!? then how do people know if they are bad?

Good question. Foolish move in my opinion, but it's been that way for a while now.

I'm pretty sad, because he has Bloodline up for sale, and I know its pointless to buy it from him :(

You can leave negative feedback, its only the seller who can only leave positive feedback.

Marthike wrote:You can leave negative feedback, its only the seller who can only leave positive feedback.

Yes - that's what I said...

Well, I added his ebay profile name to the TR because it seems that this is main way that he is selling his wares now. It will allow users to put the Dakka screen names to his eBay profile.

I am not worried about him because I am acting within EBay's and Paypal's rules by reporting what I think to be fraud. I notified him of my notification to EBay so he is not blindsided and lashout at Dakka or any random person that strikes his ire.

It is the right of the person whom thinks that he or she thas been defrauded on EBay or Paypal to file a report with them. So a report by a buyer with Paypal or EBay would not get the buyer in any trouble or be grounds for a lawsuit. Since these people did this within offical channels and he got his chance to respond it is not open to any kind liable suit in the US or UK. Business law 101.

Oh well, he has to lash out somehow. I just wish he would use a damn period every so often because his rants are so hard to read. So, if you have any pending business or communitcation with this individual please post it because the info my help someone else out. Thanks.


P.S. I also found the law office that was the atty that Mr. Heath "hired" for the c&d email that a couple forums got. I am wondering if anyone had contacted that law office yet about the email?

Stuck another Counterfeit item report up on the Tyranid item, Hopefully Ebay will take heed.

As for contacting the law firm, I'd suggest sending an email warning them of potentially damaging use of their name and company, I'm sure action will be taken privately by them.

Holy crap, that Exocrine that Pipboy mentioned is the EXACT same picture I mentioned in my previous post. There is no possible way he could be selling something original if he's stupid enough to use the same picture again.

I've done put a scam report to ebay about this guy as well since I've been paying attention as well. I've also looked back at his feedback reports and pulled up the links to the old auctions. Compair them for yourself.

Current Auction for Tyanid Exocrine:

http://cgi.ebay.com/armorcast-Resin-40K-scale-Tyranid-Gargantuan-Exocrine-/220795194289?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D459598515597737708
Notice that a 'few' small details have been added to the desription, otherwise they are still the same thing.

Past Acutions for Tyanid Exocrine:
Ended April 23rd, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=220770727255&si=KBs9gvDVt%252Fhy9IEHfpRfLf8kO1Q%253D&viewitem=

Ended Mar 27th, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=220757553048&si=KBs9gvDVt%252Fhy9IEHfpRfLf8kO1Q%253D&viewitem=

Ended Mar 20th, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=220753879834&si=KBs9gvDVt%252Fhy9IEHfpRfLf8kO1Q%253D&viewitem=

While doing this I got curious since it appears he has another rare item, so I looked at that as well...Well what do you know, exact same details, letter for letter.

Bloodline, current auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/Limited-rare-signed-gamesday-bloodline-book-J-Swallow-/220794865114?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item33686645da

Bloodline, closed auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=220753341857&si=KBs9gvDVt%252Fhy9IEHfpRfLf8kO1Q%253D&viewitem=

Very sad I think that he has no real originality and that somehow ebay has not seen fit to already stop this despite the obviousness of the scam and that many of us have openly complained and/or reported him.

Thank you to Eszharen, CinderBlack and to everyone else that has been doing what they can to solve the gaming communities little proble called Mr. Heath.

I have reported him for most of these items and some have been pulled and some have been left. EBay is very hit and miss when it comes to these things. But if they get flooded with reports over his items then they will go into action quicker.

I sent a message to the Editor of The Miniatures Page about the email C&D they got from a "lawyer" in Mr. Heath's town. They never reported the bogus email to the firm but I am thinking I will. I think they will have a fit and do something to fix that issue with him.

So, please everyone keep on reporting his auctions that are obvious scams to EBay so we can shut down his operation before the holidays get here. No reason to let him ruin someone's holiday by being scammed.

well this is making me very worried about a commission i am doing for him, his contact has been sporadic, he is otherwise being very reasonable (apart from being a few weeks late with sending the package of the next set of models

Update on my case - I failed to find the proof of postage slip, so once 28 days since I posted it passes I will have no option but to give him a full refund

Unless it miraculously appears with him before then.


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WAAAAGGHH-god wrote:well this is making me very worried about a commission i am doing for him, his contact has been sporadic, he is otherwise being very reasonable (apart from being a few weeks late with sending the package of the next set of models

2 things to bear in mind when posting to this chap, it seems:

* Signed For
* Insured

Those are actually good all-round rules for dealing with internet trades and sales.

ALWAYS send an item with tracking. Whether it's international or local, if you don't want to be liable for the replacement of the goods or a refund, ALWAYS use tracking.

If it's a high dollar amount, going to a risky country (Italy, Phillipines, Brazil, etc.), or you are not sure of the person's reputation, ALWAYS insure it and require a signature whenever possible.

Eric

Aye, always get things on 1st or 2nd class recorded, for paypal, proof of posting isn't valid proof anyways. They want to see a trackable code, which you only get via recorded or special delivery.

Please also note, from about four months ago, they don't use those silver and orange labels anymore, and your code will be printed on the reciept.

Here is the letter I emailed to the law firm that Mr. Heath's "Lawyer" that emailed The Miniatures Page's editor. I bet they don't have a clue that this was sent in their name.

Dear Mr. Gareth Jones,

For the last several months myself and a number of other people have been attempting to shutdown an individuals (Mr. Antony Heath) operation in your area. He has been recasting other companies IP and selling it as original items. Also, he has attempted many times to defraud people, Paypal and EBay by claiming that items he has bought has never arrived which he files claims for a refund. But in investigations by these companies have found that he had received this items. In total it has been thousands of US dollars to this point.

The reason I am contacting you is on one of the websites (www.theminiaturespage.com) that we use for our tabletop wargaming hobby a number of people were discussing this person's fraud. There was an email sent to the administrators of the website which is posted below. It claims to be from your law firm. However, most of us that read this letter find that so very hard to believe because of the number of grammatical and spelling mistakes made. Also, the writing style and spelling mistakes are dead on to Mr. Heath's other communications with many people.

Many people along with myself believe that it is Mr. Heath attempting to scare people with the email by impersonating a member of your law firm. I do not want to see your law firm's name damaged by this individuals actions.To this point I do not know how many more emails or letters he could have sent out with your firm's name attached but it would not suprise me. Attached is the individuals name, contact information, the link to the website that the email was posted too and a copy of the email which is all below. Thank you for your time and attention.

(@*$!^$ @&$!^#!!


Mr. Heath's contact info:
*&*&&*#^!%$!@

Link to the email that is shown below:
http://theminiaturespage.com/news/780025/


The email in question right from the website:
"Hello
My name is clive jones and i am a solicitor working on behalf of my client Mr T Heath it has been brought to my attention that this forum has been discussing Mr heaths current state of affairs and spreading more unfounded and unproven romours the like of wich i have been working agains in my role as legal representative
However what allarms me and my client more is the fact that my aclients full name and contact details have been publicly displayed on an unsecure message for all to see and this completly undermines my efforts and indeed slows the legal process down as all evidence collected to help clear my clients name has to be cross referenced to ensure that nop contamination has occured not to mention it breaks countless laws data protection laws
It is with this said that i ask that the threads including this information be deleted and destroyed and indeed any further threads that may arrise be blocked at this time no further action will be taken against this site or any owners therein but if this situation is not resolved in the very near future i will be forced to take legal action against the site and any assosiated owner/members
I trust that you can understand the seriousness of this matter and can take the appropriate action if you need to contact me further please do you have my email above buy to clarify it is as follows ciril.jones@yahoo.co.uk practasing solicitor of law
many thanks
C Jones
clive jones"

Just so I'm clear, you looked up and emailed the actual Ciril Jones (Cyral Jones & Co. I assume) about the supposed one in the C&D from Heath? That should be interesting.

According to the thread you linked to on the Miniatures Page, they did mention that they had already contacted the lawyer's office. Regardless, please keep us informed of any developments, should they respond.

I talked to the admin of the site and he said that they did not attempt to contact the atty office.

I want this to sound like a complement, but doubt it does. I'm glad he managed to cheese you off Pip. You have done a great job pushing him into the light like no one else had before. Likely because it was a lot of smaller things that folks just wrote off.

It would seem that Mr. Heath's lawyer has the same grasp of the english language as Mr. Heath. You would think someone who practices law would have much better grammar

whalemusic360 wrote:I want this to sound like a complement, but doubt it does. I'm glad he managed to cheese you off Pip. You have done a great job pushing him into the light like no one else had before. Likely because it was a lot of smaller things that folks just wrote off.

QFT.
Well done Pip, you've done amazing work here (and everyone else who has contributed, myself not included).

I just hate it when someone tries to scam and steal from other peoples hard work. I spent 11 years in law enforcement dealing with people like that and the only why to stop or slow them down is by standing up to them. This is what I hope to accomplish. Keeping the light shining on him so he can't scurry into a dark corner and come up with a new way to defraud someone.

I really could not have done even half of what I have done so far without everyone's support. With your continued support and flow of information we can put an end to his scams.

Along with others observations he is slowly changing his M.O. on how he words his auctions and what he is selling. I know that he still reads this site and most likely this thread so to Mr. Heath, we are watching.

Thanks for working hard on all our sakes pip. I'm still out $180 at 30% off from my sisters of battle, so I wish you the best at bringing this scum to justice. (I know insulting people is against forum rules, but I think Heath has earned an exception to this rule.)

very much agreed, and i am going to do my best to terminate my business with him as soon as possible

Well, here is the follow-up with to the email I sent to the atty office that the email to TMP came from:


"Dear Sir,

Thank you for your e-mail. The letter is not from this firm and we do not have a Clive Jones working here.

@*$&@^$ #*@&$"


Also, I ran all the names in the email against the UK's national database of attys and there is no such atty on record with the UK government. Depending on what the issue is, misrepresenting oneself in the US is not always a crime but can be a civil issue. My word of advice to everyone that if they receive an email from an atty's office look up the firm on Google. Plus, 99.5% of attys so not send email C&D's to people or companies.

Mr. Heath, you have to be smarter than the avg bear if you want to get over on people with things like this. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

What cracked me up was that he got the name at the bottom of the garbled message and the name in the e-mail address mixed up.

Pipboy101 wrote:
Reply as of 06/06/2011:

"Dear pipboy101,

these are not fakes and nothing to do with GW i have reported YOUR actions to ebay as this is cyber terorism and very illegal and it is you that will be getting sued also may i add your efforts to wrongly get done whatever it is you are aiming for are failing as the last poor indervidual ( who boght my originals ) tried to contact ebay and paypal who both investigated fully and found in my fovour as the items were originals is now being sued for fraud and i am taking legal action against them as warned when they jumped on your band wagon

how many more people are YOU going to take down with you before YOUR MAD and fictitious crusade ends

please do not contact me or any of my buyers again as if you were in the u.k i would be taking action ( direct action possibly) against you but for now just your unsuspecting victims who are happy with there purchase until you get in touch with them and corupt there mine with evil untruths and then force then to commit fraud and loose and thus it is them and not you that are paying the price i have 100% feedback and the only way you can contact buyers is when they have left pos feedback wich they all have as the ORIGINAL none copyrighted material is more that they hoped for and they are all and will all be happy good day and keep your yank nose out of it


- lizheath2010"

That's some bad grammar/spelling Harry. Dude's an uneducated train wreck.


Better be careful though, he'll report your cyber terrorism (*snort*) to the CYBER POLICE AND THEY'LL BACK TRACE IT

I've a friend that is a Lawyer here in the states and asked him to peek at this other so called lawyers email. Sometime after he was done laughing his a** off, he made a very simple observation to me about the email: so called Mr Jones email is Yahoo based. All the lawyers my friend knows do not use a commcercial email like that for official communication of any kind. They will always have a more secure type of email, usualy something assisiated with the isp or through their own server email. Just a little addition here.

I appreciate all of the effort that is going into making sure that this known recaster is not able to continue to operate on ebay, or hopefully anywhere (including here, as he has tried to a few times).

However, as with any transaction report, please only post here if you have relevant information to add.

Off-topic or uneeded posts will be deleted from this point forward to keep this thread clear of clutter.

Thanks all...

I am wondering if anyone has anything new to add to the TR? Well, he is in the process of being sued by GW, eBay and Paypal and the local PD is after his butt. It also looks like he is not welcome at the gaming club he was pimping since he has been online but not posted anything at all on Warhammer.org.uk.

I am thinking it is time to close out the TR unless anyone else has anything new to add. I will keep on watching him for awhile to see if he pokes his head out.

I am expecting my GW replaced FW items in the next few days, otherwise no. I did notice he left some bull when my paypal transaction didn't go through, which I could post, but its the same crap that usually spews from his undereducated mouth.

As expected, his Paypal dispute came through. Oddly in the name of Mr Heath, even though the eBay account and all previous messages have been signed "liz".

As I have lost the proof of postage, I'm boned, I merely escalated it to PayPal for them to decide, mentioning that he was widely cited on various fora as a dodgy geezer.

It looks like he has stopped attempting to scam people on ebay and on here that I can see. However, I am on his butt on warhammer.org.uk where he has started to attempt to trade on there. I have stayed quiet on there just lurking for him to pop his head up and he has.

I just PMed a guy on there about him on that site. I will try to get some more info and see if anything has changed for all those that have outstanding issues with him. Hope there is something new I can get but most likely he hadn't changed his MO or personal info.

Here is the link to that site:

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=89548&p=1092733#p1092733

Pip, you should become our honorary Warhammer Internet Police Officer.

I bet he was thinking that if he laid low for awhile, things would cool off and people would get off his case. Obviously not though... Thankfully he hasn't really wised up on anything he's done so it's still pretty easy to track him down.

Oh wow, how did I miss this thread?!??

I sold an Armorcast Exocrine to Lizheath2010 on eBay back in February. They claimed it never arrived, but then started selling numerous suspicious black-primed Exoicrines about every week. I told eBay and PayPal both that I was sure I'd been scammed and that they were selling reproductions based on the model I'd sold them (they had no instance of purchasing another one in their bid history,) but they didn't do jack. I contacted GW too, and they said they'd look into it.

I'm really REALLY glad to hear that things have been heating up for this/these loser(s).

Well you can try eBay again since it has now been proven by eBay and Paypal that he was selling recasts. Since you sold the original to Mr. Heath and he claimed that he never received it then started producing copies then that is sell stolen goods. I would report that one to eBay and Paypal. I will PM you one of the auctions of his that I saved that is a copy of the model he sold. You can report it from there or call them with the item number.

Hey guys lizheath2010 or who ever he is still looks on dakka because he put a bid on one of my dark eldar finecast items (it includes tracking so I don't know what his doing there)

Anyway that was after I posted in the trade fourm and I got the offer. So I do still believe he looks here and trys to trade through ebay or paypal.

I have noticed that he is buying on ebay but his sellers account looks like it was suspended. Why would they do that?

They should suspend BOTH accounts.

I have officially received my replacements. They did have a miscommunication in that instead of my 3 Deathstorm Pods (just the Resin bits) I got 2 complete Dreadnought Pods. I'm going to keep that one to myself I think.

Glad to hear that you got your replacements.

I just received this PM this morning and I wanted to share this with the Dakka Community since this TR was a community effort so this praise should belong to everyone involved.

Hello Mr.pipboy,

You don't know me, but I'm well aware of your vendetta against the infamous Heath recaster. Having only joined dakka officially here recently, rather then being a silent forum watcher, I've never had the chance to personally thank you. Though I have only recently began wargaming myself, my uncle nearly lost a grand or two dealing with the Heath person, and when I noticed the thread I was able to quickly help him strike down Heaths paypal fraud. I'm not sure what models they were, or if Heath ever did try recasting them, but if you had not had pointed us out to this... Grot licking, nurgle infested... I can't think of any more censored 40k insults... Regardless, without your help my uncle would have been in a deal of financial issues. He sold his stuff to get money to pay for rent while he was laid off. If Heath had succeeded in obtaining a refund, my uncle would have most likely lost allot more than just the money.

It was only recently when I was revising the trade reports, for the fact I wanted to learn what to avoid when I begin trading/purchasing, I came back to the Heath thread, and remembered what you did for my uncle, personally.

So thank you. Thank you for fighting this... Disgrace to miniature gaming, and the market itself. Thoug others were able to keep their items, you helped my family out in more ways then that. Ill end this now since I'm sure you don't need to keep hearing my sob story. Apologies for any typos, posted from my iphone

I was admazed when I get this PM but I am glad that we were able to help him out since it sounds like he was in a bad way.


Now for more business with Mr. Heath. He is beginning to be more active on Warhammer.org.uk under the name of fanatic2011. Mr. Heath has been pimping the local club in his area trying to set up tournies. He is no longer trying to sell stuff there after we got onto his club. I guess they let him back in to play and set up tournies.

Now I have spoke to the Admins at the Warhammer.org.uk and all I am getting about Mr. Heath's scams and use of their site is, "We'll look into it." This is admazing since he is attempting to trade FoW stuff that has been proven that he recasts, primes and sells. He posted on a trading forum on that site that he is offering large armored companies that are primed black which is his MO with very few infantry. So, it looks like he is at it again and I will continue to watch and PM every person that he posts with this stuff a word of warning.

When warhammer.org.uk 's search site comes back up I will post a link and a copy of his newest recasts so all can keep an eye out for anyone that is attempting to sell these lists from the UK.


WARNING!
LIST OF NEW POSSIBLE RECASTS MINIS AND ARMIES

Here is the link to the warhammer.org.uk post of Mr. Heath's attempting to sell FoW recasts.

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=91614
Do not go to the link. Mr Heath is reading Dakka and deleted his post. His post is quoted below.

It was found and confirmed (which the links can be found earlier in this TR) that back in late 2009 and into 2010 that he was recasting FoW tanks, priming them and pawning them off as originals. Here is the post for those that don't want to go to the website where this was posted:

Hi interested in the assault marines the storm raven and the furioso dreads

i have a large FoW russian armoured company that is built based and undercoated black ( 50+ tanks and assault guns and support trucks

i have a large mid war brit armoured company ( crusaders valantines a couple of shermans and churchills with stuarts as recon 50+ tanks plus loads of universal bren gun carriers 24 i think again mostly just based and undercoated black

i have a 1500pt italian mid war armoured company 16 carri medium tanks 6 L60 light tanks and a full assault gun platoon all based undercoated and base coated in desert yellow with air brush

in addition i have a large 28mm ww2 russian force with a mix of bolt action black tree and crusader/artizan figures all brand new bare metal some still in blisters about 120 figures PROB MORE including 4 mortars 3 maxim machinguns snipers AT gun and at least 2 full inf platoons with extra specials like panzer faust and ptrd anti tank rifels with a good mix of weps ( rife/smg( and command figs to

would love to hear from you to discuss a trade

hope to hear from you soon

H

As you see that it is alot of FoW armored companies. This was posted Aug 26, 2011. It took this long for their stupid search to come back online.

So, please take note of the units and armies when dealing with a FoW trader with low post count from the UK.

I will keep you updated if I find out more. Thanks for your time and attention.

I just realized how ironic it would be if someone received a package from him, and claimed they never got the goods... Not that I plan to.

On note: I sent the above quoted message to pip, and I am currently working with my uncle to find all of the information that he and Heath exchanged when my uncle sold his army to him. As I said, that 1000$ would have screwed my uncle over big time, as the sale was made for his rent. I'll update when I locate the information from my uncle, at the least he should have his paypal documentation still, if not any postal information. Hopefully Heath will finally give up, because at this rate he is just pilling more and more charges on his own name.

Please keep the conjecture and general chatter out of this thread and keep things strictly on topic and relating to Mr Heath. If you wish to discuss other matters, then do so in Dakka Discussions. Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

@Pipboy, that link you provide - all it takes us to is a thread with two posts, one saying "All sold." and the other with fanatic using a clapping smiley. Am I missing something?

Mr. Heath went in and deleted the thread posting in there so that is why you see clapping. You have to smarter than the average bear Mr. Heath because I have a copy of the posting.

The post he tried to delete is above in the second quote box.


Again, you see it is a lot of FoW armored companies which he is well known to recast. So, just remember if you see someone with a low post count from the UK selling these armies think before you leap because it might be him.

Plus with him deleting the info in the post I know that he is reading Dakka and he reading this TR so here is to you Mr. Heath, " "

To the Admins and Mods, I know you can't stop guests from reading Dakka but there might be a chance that he is back on Dakka but lurking.

Also, somebody that was really pissed at Mr. Heath and went onto the warhammer.org.uk site and tore into him. He dragged me into it calling people names including the other people in the this TR (implied because he called them "you little gang" and "cronies in your little hate group") when I posted the PM above when he said that he never got to defend himself. He has avoided answering for that PM but more importantly he did state that it was true that he sold recasts but someone else sold him those which is very bad excuse, "But Officer, someone put that crack into my pocket. I was FRAMED!!!"

Here is the link for as long as it stay's up:
http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=93132

A small update from my part:

I am contacting my uncle to get what information I can from his transaction with Heath. I only remember using this thread, and the others related to the Recasting scams of Heath to help my uncle out of the scam he too was suffering.

Not being one of the two in the deal, I have no real facts of my own I can present, just my story, so if my Uncle is unable to get back to me with anything, even so small as a copy of the paypal documents, I'll withdraw my accusation to Heath until I can prove the story.

While I am all for mudslinging, I don't like to put forward stories without the credible truth (Unless arguing rules, before someone I've discussed rules with argues with me :I) and I will not allow this to turn around to somehow bite me in the ass.

If my uncle doesn't get back within the month, I'll retract my story and statements.

Apologies to mods if this seems to be off topic, but I felt putting it ou there not to hold my story to heart until I can get the evidence was important. Even Heath, as low as he is, deserves a fair kick to the n-... Trial.


And Liz, if your still reading this. (Yes, I know your name is Tony, but I so enjoy your Liz persona) Its time to give up. Even though you had a fair run, the more you try to keep doing this, the more charges and time you will pile onto your name. Get a job, and live your life. You'll need it, when the X cases of Fraud, Theft, Copyright, Counterfeit, and whatever else you get slapped with make all the funds you earned seem like just a penny on the street <3.

Anyone mind pm'ing me his address? I live in Swansea in Wales, a fellow gamer and good friend of mine is a Police Officer and I'll see what He can do about it.

I only came accross this thread after seeing it on The Warhammer Forum.

I saw SBU's posts all over the Warhammer Uk site and he's down right rude. Strange that a lot of people are defending him there and badmouthing Pipboy, demanding proof and not wanting to take time to read the threads we have here.

I don't get why people don't take the steps to protect themselves, but instead stir the bee hive and make it worse.

Just a thought.

Taking in everything i have read on my own... This guy is full of hot air, couldn't come up with a better excuse than MY BROTHER DID IT BOO HOO, and refusing in every instance I have seen to take responsibility for his illegal actions and try to at least fix it.

The big one that bothered me the most...

Refusing to an officer of the law to explain why he can't be bothered to go steal/pay for or borrow internet from Starbucks or some coffee shop just to check in with his trades/buyers. I would.

Honestly, I would.

To be honest, it's actually very simple to get hold of 'proof'.

All you need to do is ring up Forgeworld, and ask them if they have a case file on Mr Heath for recasting. Because I've done it twice in person. And they've replied in the affirmative.

Kind of hard to fake that really. And anyone can give them a call.

Well, I'm 100% certain that gw and fw knows about him becaus I contacted gw legal about him. I received a reply from their IP legal dept saying that they can't talk about an investigation but any information we find will be helpful. Also, they sent recent originals when they received the recasts. So they have our information and physical proof of his violation of their IP.

PM sent to Fanchy

While I dont know all the details and in no way affiliated with the above person. I do have a question.

I have ordered alot of FW stuff in the past. Almost all of what I order is white, to a light grey. In one of my first orders, the resin was an olive green. On sprues, just like FW stuff, no defects, no bubbles, in fact better quality then the stuff they send now a days.

So if I go and try to sell them, will people that dont realize I bought them direct from FW, who even says color on resin can change from time to time based on filler material, does that mean Im going to get called out as a recaster? Has anyone else gotten kits with various color resin?

ive done a few google searches and have found many cases where people get large kits and each part is a various shade of white/grey/olive light green.

Since I plan to sell them as im getting out of the hobby, will i take flak from people that dont know FW does, especially in the past, have items of various shades of resin.

Im actually worried because my record on ebay is perfect as ive been selling the newer stuff (the stuff made in china) and have been scared to list the older stuff as its color is different.

Side by side with the new stuff there is not a single difference besides the fact the older stuff thats light green is much better quality with no defects at all. Hell, the sprue clippings are in the exact same spot.

And yes, I have seen recasts and these are nothing like it. Im simply worried someone will claim they are if I try to sell them.


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And yes, I have pics side by side of exactly the same parts just different shades of colors which show zero defects and also show the better quality then the new stuff.

I dont think FW stuff comes from China does it?

I have had many different colour resins from FW for example my chaos dragon has almost white limbs/heads and a dark grey body.

The usualy trick of a recaster is to spray everything black.

I actually have a couple of recast titans I ended up with in a trade with a guy in Wales. It wasnt the same guy but makes you wonder if this is a bigger problem in Wales?

The guys at Warhammer Forum really arent helping with their "proof" argument. How much proof do you need?

I haven't been on the Warhammer Forum yet, but to add a bit of insight on the people demanding proof of Mr. Heath's guilt, could it be possible that these people may be some of Mr. Heath's "inside guys", just trying to speak on his behalf?

I mean, this is the internet, and quite anything is possible. Just a thought...

Nah I dont think so, I've been using that forum for years, Heath only recently showed up there.

Its generally a nice friendly forum, it doesnt see anything like the sniping, flaming or bitchiness of somewhere like Warseer or sometimes here.

I think thats why the mods are keen to protect users, even ones that dont deserve it.

lord.serpius, I have FW bits in a few diff. shades of grey, but it's all pretty close to each other. certainly not the broken white color of the G26 I use for replicating little bits 'n bobbins I need 'smore of, and not green for sure. still, just don't put it on ebay but sell on dakka, put up good pictures and you'll be fine.

sleazy wrote:Nah I dont think so, I've been using that forum for years, Heath only recently showed up there.

Its generally a nice friendly forum, it doesnt see anything like the sniping, flaming or bitchiness of somewhere like Warseer or sometimes here.

I think thats why the mods are keen to protect users, even ones that dont deserve it.

I just don't think that they have much experence with dealing with someone like Mr. Heath. I have been lurking on that site watching him for months to see what habits have changed and if he starts to return to his old ways. He was posting for his tournies and trade cash and 40k figures that seemed fine and dandy. But when I saw that he was attempting to sell recast FoW stuff again I came on here and posted the list first to protect everyone. However, before I could get onto the other site and warn people someone came in like gangbusters and sprayed the forum with a huge dose of . While it was bold and most likely what was needed it didn't rub the admins the right way.

Since, Mr. Heath hasn't posted in a couple of days I think he is trying to keep a low profile but it is hard to tell because that site's thread search is always down. What suprised me was that while the members were asking for proof the Admins didn't delete the thread which showed the glaring holes in Mr. Heath's stories and logic. Again, I will continue to watch and keep everyone informed. Just be careful if you plan to trade large amounts of primed FoW armor that is listed above from the UK to a low post count user.

sleazy wrote:Nah I dont think so, I've been using that forum for years, Heath only recently showed up there.

Its generally a nice friendly forum, it doesnt see anything like the sniping, flaming or bitchiness of somewhere like Warseer or sometimes here.

I think thats why the mods are keen to protect users, even ones that dont deserve it.

For the most part this is true.
However there are a few individuals on there who scammed people and then had them banned when it came to light as they are friendly with the admins.
One in particular did it very recently.

really?, that worries me GBDA as I trade on there quiite a lot (more than anywhere else it seems).

Feel free to shoot me a pm with the details if thats ok, dont wanna get caught out.

Update from me: no luck getting my uncle to call me back, so far. Regardless, I won't be removing my statement against (T)Heath, as seeing the other post he is no where near mature enough to deserve the politeness I was giving him.

Am I the only one, or did anyone else notice that, on the other site, he claimed to still be trading here but keeping a low profile while doing so?

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:Am I the only one, or did anyone else notice that, on the other site, he claimed to still be trading here but keeping a low profile while doing so?

Eric

I thought I read something he had written about him watching this thread, but I missed if he had said that he was claiming to still be trading here!! If you would be so kind, can you copy+paste?

Well here is what I can tell you. I sent this to GW/FW and they did in fact take this info and the recasts for their case. These are the conversations between myself and Heath, and my brother and Heath. You will see the inferior quality of his casts, which even if they were of good quality I doubt this many would complain, or even notice.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5448242/DakkaConvo%20-%20SBU.docx
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5448242/DakkaConvo-GRC2010.docx

he lives in the USA and his grammar is worse than my 15 year old brother. he is clearly a primary school/high school kid and thinks he can get away with the scamming without any consequences. People like this need to be taught some life lessons and you should cut the ties and report this seriously to the authorities.

He's UK based, not US.

whalemusic360 wrote:He's UK based, not US.

That's what I meant to say, either way he lives in a fluently speaking English country. If its obvious to me that he is a kid who is trying to scam everyone on this site, then it should be obvious to everyone else.

nectarprime wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Am I the only one, or did anyone else notice that, on the other site, he claimed to still be trading here but keeping a low profile while doing so?

Eric

I thought I read something he had written about him watching this thread, but I missed if he had said that he was claiming to still be trading here!! If you would be so kind, can you copy+paste?

(From earlier):
http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=93132

In that thread, on 9/30 at 6:49, "wardancer" posted this link:
http://www.peterpig.co.uk/ajheathcounterfeiting.htm

It's in one of those, somewhere. He wasn't blatant about it, he just kind of casually mentioned something about still trading here or something. Frankly, it's too much reading for me to go through it all again.

maccar86 wrote:he lives in the USA and his grammar is worse than my 15 year old brother. he is clearly a primary school/high school kid and thinks he can get away with the scamming without any consequences. People like this need to be taught some life lessons and you should cut the ties and report this seriously to the authorities.

Respectfully, Maccar, you couldn't be farther from right.
I mean, I'm not saying it ISN'T a kid/teen. I'm saying that the grammar automatically makes him one. I've been online for a long time, and I've been trading for a long time. Some of the worst grammar I've seen has been from adults.

Eric

sleazy wrote:Nah I dont think so, I've been using that forum for years, Heath only recently showed up there.

Its generally a nice friendly forum, it doesnt see anything like the sniping, flaming or bitchiness of somewhere like Warseer or sometimes here.

I think thats why the mods are keen to protect users, even ones that dont deserve it.

i have had grey and white resin models/parts come straight from FW, the best example of this is my FW Eldar Scorpion Type II. the whole model was the normal color except for the turret which was white. I had to take pictures when i sold it.

and yes, FW does outsource to china and the casting is much better there.

To end the discussion about Heaths age, check page 2, at the bottom. One mentions meeting Heath, and seeing Heaths child comment redacted

Thanks Magickal. I found it:

"...and indeed dakka were i am still a member if some what covertly..."

So I wonder if he uses a fake name when shipping/receiving trades here? He must, his given name is too well known. Kind of scary that he claims to still be a member here.

Rurouni Benshin wrote: could it be possible that these people may be some of Mr. Heath's "inside guys", just trying to speak on his behalf?

See, herein lies the whole problem. This is the internet, obviously. It isn't hard for someone who is under fire for a bad transaction to have "internet friends" chime in on their side. The problem also goes both ways. You can't even really use "trusted trader" threads to reliably check someone's background. Sadly those kinds of tools are typically used exclusively. Hell, even when handling a problem transaction, you can't give someone the benefit of the doubt just because they have a good track record. Everything about an online trade market is up in the air, and someone's guilt or lack thereof seems to hang entirely on public opinion, even if facts state otherwise.

So long story...longer, the answer is yes, it is possible.

nectarprime wrote:Thanks Magickal. I found it:

"...and indeed dakka were i am still a member if some what covertly..."

So I wonder if he uses a fake name when shipping/receiving trades here? He must, his given name is too well known. Kind of scary that he claims to still be a member here.

I think he just means he reads our forums, covertly being the same case as a "guest"

nectarprime wrote:

So I wonder if he uses a fake name when shipping/receiving trades here? He must, his given name is too well known.

If being known here was a true problem for him, he could get a postal box and use a different name when posting and start fresh. Considering he doesn't means either 1) He isn't as well known as people think, or 2) He does not care if he is recognized.

Oddly enough, the repeated behavior could be prosecuted here in the states under Deceptive Practice statutes, though I do not really see any prosecutor taking the case on considering the amount scammed per transaction isn't great enough to really land on their radar. You would probably need to add up the entire financial scope of his habits to really get a number to interest any litigator.

That's just my two cents though.

He would be identifiable enough if he started trading, simply by the fact he'd be offering up Forgeworld goods, and giving off the usual atrocious spelling.

Ignoring the usual ip checks and suchlike.


However, if he managed to start trading here again under a different name, with authentic goods, and following through with these trades, well, that's no problem really either at the end of the day.

Ketara wrote:He would be identifiable enough if he started trading, simply by the fact he'd be offering up Forgeworld goods, and giving off the usual atrocious spelling.

Ignoring the usual ip checks and suchlike.


However, if he managed to start trading here again under a different name, with authentic goods, and following through with these trades, well, that's no problem really either at the end of the day.

While I personally do not like Mr. Heath and what he has done to a lot people over the last year I have to agree with Ketara. I don't think there should be a place here for him but over the last several months he has only been promoting his game club tournies and selling orignial 40k stuff. His last sales on E-Bay after they forced him to stop selling recasts have been originals. Because of this I have been lurking and watching him and his sales.

Like I said before, if he stuck with that I do not care since it is legal but when I saw that he was attempting to offer his recasted FoW stuff I needed to send up a warning flare to everyone. Before I get flamed here, I am not advocating that he should be allowed back on Dakka or on any website that offers trades. This entire mess is of his own making that could have been solved easily but someone of his personality will always be a serial defrauder. The last two years starting with Peter Pig up to now ample evidence has been provided to prove my point of view which I believe most people share.

It does seem that the Admins and Mods of warhammer.org.uk do not know what they have on their hands or don't know how to handle it. Since they allow his ability to log on to their site someone will have to continue to monitor his activities as he monitors ours. Yes Mr. Heath someone will always be watching you so playing possum will not work.

If he sells obvious original models more power to him but the second that he reverts to recasting or scamming people out of their stuff I will warn you all with what he is peddling.

Ketara wrote:He would be identifiable enough if he started trading, simply by the fact he'd be offering up Forgeworld goods, and giving off the usual atrocious spelling.

Ignoring the usual ip checks and suchlike.


However, if he managed to start trading here again under a different name, with authentic goods, and following through with these trades, well, that's no problem really either at the end of the day.

Qft

A thought also occurred in my head. What if there are several people in on this act? I mean Heath is out in the open, his days are done. But what if others in Liverpool, or hell anywear. Are buying/defrauding people and giving Heath the original w/e to then sell the recasts. Added in with Heath publicly known as a recast and frauder, what if others are selling his recasts and when people call it out they can honestly claim "this guy called Heath sold them to me." People know Heath is a recaster, so it would be easy for one to believe someone's claim that Heath ripped them off.

@Takeshishin

People that does illegal business flock together. Im sure they cover each other's back with more lies. Not to mention, everytime there is a scam, there is a limited window before they are caught with that item. Multiple scammers selling same thing can increase the efficiency for that window.

LunaHound wrote:@Takeshishin

People that does illegal business flock together. Im sure they cover each other's back with more lies. Not to mention, everytime there is a scam, there is a limited window before they are caught with that item. Multiple scammers selling same thing can increase the efficiency for that window.

A valid point, I suppose.

Guys, let's steer away from the OT conjecture and discussion and just stick to solid facts and information for now, please.

A quick update since Mr. Heath has kept his head low. It looks like he still has been buying and selling single used figures. Also he has started a positive trade feed back thread for himself on www.warhammer.org.uk. Here is the link:

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=99387&p=1203986#p1203986

The only post in there is for a trade for SM Dreadnought bitz. I will keep a close eye on this because it may be him thinking the coast is clear. So, if anything odd pops up I will be quick to post on here an update for everyone.

Happy and safe trading everyone.

His name and many a.k.a. was posted on the third page of the TR. I think his address was posted also somewhere within the 9 pages of the TR also.

Just reposting the information of confirmed recaster and scammer so people do not have to scan through 9 pages of the TR.

He recasts Forge World items and Flames of War vehicles. His recasts are primed black as to hide the color of the resin used (he did this a lot on EBay). There has also been a lot of armies, units and several other gaming items that are traded and his end of the transaction is not sent. He also will pay with Paypal, haggle for the cheapest shipping cost (insists on USPS First Class international) so there is no tracking info. Then he will put in a Paypal claim for non-receipt of the item(s) so he gets his money back.

Name: Mr. Anthony Heath

a.k.a.
Tony Heath
AJ Heath
Antony Heath
Liz Heath
LizHeath2010 (Ebay)
Ciril jones and/or Cyril Jones (and claims to be a solicitor)
SBU
SBU Castings
Heath Scenery
New Heathy
Wargames Clearout, sometimes Wargames Clearout 2010

His gaming group:
FLINTSHIRE FANATICS GAMING GROUP
Hawarden youth centre
Grooms croft lane
Hawarden
Flintshire
CH5 3EL

His location (if you need the full address just PM me):
Deeside, Flintshire
CH54WG
United Kingdom

YES PIPBOY THAT IS PERFECT! THANK YOU

If you traded any Chaos CSM stuff with Mr. Heath go onto Ebay. He selling some stuff under the name LizHeath2010. It is the same horrible blurry, whited out photographs and black basecoated minis he use to do when he was selling miscasts and trading stolen items. Take a look to see if any of these items are yours that he took from you.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/lizheath2010/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1

Its been awhile since I posted an up date about the one that shall not be named. I am still watching is online activity and the ebay auctions for anything that could be him returning to his old ways. Well here is what is going on:

1. His ebay profile has been buying and selling lots of original nib and nos sprue stuff. There is a few private autions but that was him buying (pron, casting stuff? Who knows).

2. He has dropped of the forum warhammer.org.uk. He had quite a number of trades on there then dropped off the face of the earth. This includes his pimping for his game club.

3. This tread has hit most major gaming forums so the word is out about the scams he was running. I am hoping this lack of activity meana he has changed his activity.

If I notice anything I will be back to inform you guys. Happy gaming and trading everyone.

Thanks Pipboy for your continued vigilance. My heart still burns with a deep hatred for all my stolen models :/

a good site for advice on recast and fakes is

http://limited-edition-warhammer.blogspot.co.uk/p/spotting-fakes.html

It has been a little bit over two years since this journey has began and I believe it has been worth while. It does seem that if he has been recasting it has been for himself or sold in face to face transactions.

I have been reviewing his many ebay names and he did buy a large box of needless medical syringes. These could be used for many things including in casting. Because of this I will keep an close eye on FoW used armies and smaller FW objects that can be flat casted.

Well back to keeping the vigil and still show him that someone will always be watching.

I have been watching this man on websites ans Ebay for years making sure that he does not return to his old ways. Well, today sure as sh1t he is selling primed versions of the tanks I sold him years back that started all this. So as a warning just beware that these very well could be recasts.

Here is the Ebay postings:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/very-rare-oop-Pre-Forge-world-armor-cast-oke-Gobsmasha-battle-tank-/221385627473?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item338b9c9751#ht_271wt_923

http://www.ebay.com/itm/very-rare-oop-Pre-Forge-world-armor-cast-oke-splean-rippa-battle-tank-/221385660033?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item338b9d1681#ht_250wt_923

He likes to recast models and then base coat them black hoping no one will notice. It seems that he has got a new camera. I will blow up the pictures to see the details closer but I have a doubt that these original. That would be his way.

Here is a picture from him to me that was posted earlier of the same minis. Look for the damage on the barrels.

He doesn't give up, does he? A warning to all to remain vigilant, always do due diligence when trading and if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.

His spelling hasn't improved either.

Unless there's a shoe lost and found website called "Bell of Lost Soles" or perhaps it's lost flat fish?

Damn, I almost forgot how he hates capital letters.


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It is tempting to bid on one to see if it is the real deal to close the book on this. Use Paypal and my AmEx to be safe.

Its been over four years and I am still watching this guy. He is up to his old tricks again. He is selling base coated, flat casted FW terrain as original FW but used. This confirmed recaster will make poor copies of the originals and then spray them down with black primer so you can't see the resin color is off from what FW uses. Here is the three listings so buyer beware:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-OOP-forgeworld-imperial-guard-Auto-cannon-heavy-weapon-emplacement-40K-/221836884671?hash=item33a6823abf
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-OOP-forgeworld-imperial-guard-Heavy-Bolter-heavy-weapon-emplacement-40K-/221836885598?hash=item33a6823e5e
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-OOP-forgeworld-imperial-guard-las-cannon-heavy-weapon-emplacement-40K-/221836882700?hash=item33a682330c

I am going to report these auctions to EBAY. Honestly, does this guy ever learn?


Update: The items have been reported and I asked him to post an underside picture of the item with the paint removed to make sure that it is the original FW resin. I am expecting him to flip out again with piss poor spelling and grammer.

Still using that lizheath account I see. This is one of the reasons I steer clear of Ebay personally - they seem to care not one jot about the consumer. This guy has been reported time and time again and yet Ebay do absolutely zip.

As Pipboy says, keep an eye out for this crook and make sure you are 100% happy with the provenance of what you are buying.

I think what EBay does is that when we catch him and report his auctions they just sit back and watch. If the items are bought they then they take action. For the longest while he has been selling individual figures, games and other stuff that is clearly original but every so often these recasts show up on his auctions. I can't believe it has already been four years since my first dealings with this guy. I was almost about to give up watching him since it has been so long think he had learned but nope. The vigil continues.

Ugh, very sorry to see this thread pop up on my subscribed list. Hope he vanishes again soon.

I know, its a damn shame but if we are to at least stem the tide of scammers in our hobby we must make it known we don't forget.

There is an interesting update to Paypal's dispute policies that is relevant here:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Marketing/popup/UAeBay-outside

If you lose a Significantly Not as Described claim because the item you sold is counterfeit, you will be required to provide a full refund to the buyer and you will not receive the item back. (It will be destroyed.)

If you have a clear way of showing that the item is counterfeit, you could possibly both keep the item and get a refund, which would obviously be a deterrent to selling recasts... but proving it is difficult since Forgeworld quality and resin colors also vary.

Yes but a majority of current FW resin is grey. He was using tan on a lot of his recasts. That is because it is the cheapest resin one can buy online.

Typically proving something is a counterfeit to Paypal simply requires an "expert" to weigh in on the legitimacy of the items. Someone at my flgs was all I needed, despite him never seeing Grot Tanks before.

Most resins are naturally off white or light tan in color. You add black coloring to make them grey. Hence the range of grey colors you get on FW models.