10 paints
2 brushes
Aracnnarok spider
x2 boxes savage orcs
x 2 boxes phoenix guard
Tomb king book
x2 Garro audio books
Latest Horus Heresy book
HE Dragon with prince/ mage


Costing me
171 pounds/ $275US/ $262AUS


And by not buying in Australia saving me:
233 pounds / $375US / $357AUS

Hope that puts into context for the GW apologists the ridiculousnous of the situation for the southern hemisphere

That sorts me for the next 6 months (with other stuff I'm working on) then to my new source (will cost 10% more for postage and more fiddling around than currently)

GW, you suck so much...

but gratz on the last big saving!

It is amazing how much more you guys could (and soon will have to) pay for exactly the same stuff.

Hope you manage some way of staying in the GW side of wargaming.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Aracnnarok spider

Living in Oz do you even need to buy one of those?

I mean, couldn't you just buy a monster base, build a terrarium around it and catch something far more scary and intimidating from your back yard?

And I knew you paid more in the antipodes but sweet zombie jesus I didn't think it was that much!

At least you've bought enough stuff to keep you going until you can watch GW collapse under the weight of its own greed!

Leigen_Zero wrote:I mean, couldn't you just buy a monster base, build a terrarium around it and catch something far more scary and intimidating from your back yard?

Local spiders are too big for a monster base. And they hunt in packs. And they can open doors.

Leigen_Zero wrote:And I knew you paid more in the antipodes but sweet zombie jesus I didn't think it was that much!

My final last Maelstrom order was done last week. It was:

3 boxes of Bloodcrushers
8 Chaos Space Marine Bikers
2 boxes of Possessed Marines
1 Daemon Prince
1 Temple of Skulls terrain piece
1 box of Space Marine Devastators
2 Carnifexes
1 Trygon

Total cost? AUD$427.

Total cost to buy from GWOZ? AUD$913. I just saved AUD$486.

The apologists are mad if they think that me paying an additional $486 is 'fair'.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Leigen_Zero wrote:I mean, couldn't you just buy a monster base, build a terrarium around it and catch something far more scary and intimidating from your back yard?

Local spiders are too big for a monster base. And they hunt in packs. And they can open doors.

Leigen_Zero wrote:And I knew you paid more in the antipodes but sweet zombie jesus I didn't think it was that much!

My final last Maelstrom order was done last week. It was:

3 boxes of Bloodcrushers
8 Chaos Space Marine Bikers
2 boxes of Possessed Marines
1 Daemon Prince
1 Temple of Skulls terrain piece
1 box of Space Marine Devastators
2 Carnifexes
1 Trygon

Total cost? AUD$427.

Total cost to buy from GWOZ? AUD$913. I just saved AUD$486.

The apologists are mad if they think that me paying an additional $486 is 'fair'.

Of course it's fair? It wouldn't be fair if you played, oh I don't know, say MALIFAUX, and GW charged you those prices....yeah, that would be unfair, but if you want to ride on the GW merry-go-round, then sorry old son, you have to pony up the entry price!

Jokes aside, what are you guys planning to do post the "last order"......now thats what I want to know!

London resident - walk to dark sphere, pick up order (25% of UK retail) and then mail it to me air mail.

Still save about 35-40% on Australian prices.

I'll also be buying Krieg from FW.
Cheaper than Citadel cadians or catachans (Krieg are the best models)

Look to the black market (eBay) my colonial brothers.

Seriously though, I'm really sad for you guys. I had no idea just how much a difference there is between ours and your prices until you listed it like that. Hopefully people will avoid buying from GW worldwide and they'll pay attention and things might get better... I won’t hold my breath though :(

Does Australia have a Game designer that has an alternative system?

Any armies, gaming, or models coming form down under to give these guys some love?


Aside from FOW, and that BS they pulled, WHO else out there in Aus has a game and models to start filling in that 300 lb gorrilla in the middle of the room?


The one where we lose a whole market, and still will be fiending for gaming?

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:London resident - walk to dark sphere, pick up order (25% of UK retail) and then mail it to me air mail.

Totally nuts, if I lived in London I would be happy to do this as a civic duty, we should have a Dakka 'Stick it to GW-OZ' rota.....

As a quick question, how do your Australian salaries compare to the UK or US ones? What's the median wage in Australia, expressed in GBP or USD?

Just curious. I understand that it sucks to lose a discount that you're used to.


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Okay, no responses yet.

I found this:
Average Full Time Ordinary Time Earnings Q4 2010 State Average Annual Wage Tasmania $57,808 South Australia $60,414 Victoria $64,620 Queensland $65,619 Northern Territory $65,962 New South Wales $66,565 Western Australia $73,148 Capital Territory $76,367
Here (http://www.livingin-australia.com/salaries-australia/). Cannot state anything about accuracy.

Anyway. Picking the middle number, 65,619, that equates to $69070 US, or 42837 GBP.

In the US, according to the government site, http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html, the average annual wage here in 2009 was $40,711 USD. So, according to these figures, the average US salary is only 57% of the average Australian Salary. In the UK, this site (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285) indicates that the median salary in the UK is 26k GBP. Here, the UK salary is only 60% of the Australian salary.

I read the letter that Mark Wells wrote on facebook. And, I can understand, Australian shops have to pay their employees in Australian dollars. They have to pay their rent in Australian dollars. While I understand that it's unfortunate that you're losing a discount that you've become accustomed to having, I think your posts are a bit misleading. It does appear that you're expected to pay twice what the rest of us pay - but looking at the data here, you're also making twice what we're making...

If I'm missing something, please let me know what it is. But if you can, please cite references. I've tried to include everywhere that I've gotten my data in case you want to check it out.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
My final last Maelstrom order was done last week. It was:

3 boxes of Bloodcrushers
8 Chaos Space Marine Bikers
2 boxes of Possessed Marines
1 Daemon Prince
1 Temple of Skulls terrain piece
1 box of Space Marine Devastators
2 Carnifexes
1 Trygon

Total cost? AUD$427.

Total cost to buy from GWOZ? AUD$913. I just saved AUD$486.

The apologists are mad if they think that me paying an additional $486 is 'fair'.

That'll teach 'em, Tiger! Nothing hurts GW more than placing an order for hundreds of dollars! sigh...


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Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

GW, you suck so much...

And yet your response is to place a large order?? I realize that you might curtail your future purchases but I don't think improving their bottom line in the quarter they make these changes is the best signal to send.

is malestrom now going to stop selling GW stuff?

romegamer wrote:is malestrom now going to stop selling GW stuff?

That's one of several reasons there's so much GW hate on the forums recently. They're raising prices, pulled some models indefinitely with the switch to resin, getting rid of any official previews more than a week before a model is released, purposely delaying White Dwarf subscriptions until AFTER they arive for sale at a higher price in stores, and are not allowing European retailers to ship outside their continent.

Redbeard wrote: Australian wages........

While I can see this side of the argument, there is another way of looking at it. How much is the item worth? Just because I earn more than you, why should I pay so double as much as you for the same item? is it worth double as much? Can you imagine walking into an American GW, the first thing they ask is "How much do you earn a month?" depending on what you say, the prices in the shop alter...just for you! So little Tommy walks in, he earns $10 a week from his paper round, so he pays $15 for his Dark Eldar Archon....you, on the other hand, earn $2500 a month, so you pay $50 for your Archon.....how often would you go back?

GW's excuse for charging so much for their product is weak, and I have say, insulting.....maybe the Australian dollar is strong, but they should balance their prices across the globe, rather than holding loyal customers to ransom on how well their currency is doing.

It's bad business practice, and it will ultimately come back to haunt them.....you see, the problem with currency, it fluctuates....so what happens when the value of the Aus $ drops.....my guess is that the Ozzies can expect a huge price cut...true?

Delephont wrote:While I can see this side of the argument, there is another way of looking at it. How much is the item worth? Just because I earn more than you, why should I pay so double as much as you for the same item? is it worth double as much? Can you imagine walking into an American GW, the first thing they ask is "How much do you earn a month?" depending on what you say, the prices in the shop alter...just for you! So little Tommy walks in, he earns $10 a week from his paper round, so he pays $15 for his Dark Eldar Archon....you, on the other hand, earn $2500 a month, so you pay $50 for your Archon.....how often would you go back?

Don't you think there's a difference between earning more because you do more difficult/important work, and simply earning more for the same work because of where you live?

If you're fine with your time being worth double for no apparent reason then you should be equally fine with paying double for no apparent reason (except that there ARE reasons why you pay double... paying for the double salary of the Oz redshirts, for example)

Delephont wrote:
GW's excuse for charging so much for their product is weak, and I have say, insulting.....maybe the Australian dollar is strong, but they should balance their prices across the globe, rather than holding loyal customers to ransom on how well their currency is doing.

Well, first, let's not go to extremes and claim people are being held hostage. These are luxury entertainment items, they're not food or shelter.

Secondly, can you go into why the 'excuse' is weak? Do they not have to pay salaries in Australian dollars? Do they not have to pay warehousing costs and rents in Australian dollars? One way to look at this is that it costs them more to operate in Australia, because staffing and real estate costs are higher. As a result, they have to charge more. How is this a 'weak excuse'? It seems reasonable to me.

How much do Australians pay for cars? I checked out Toyota.com.au and see their list price for a 4 door Ascent Sedan is $22k(AU) ($23,090US), while the same car is $16k(US) in the US. How much do Australians pay for electronics? A quick trip to Dell's site shows the same laptop, the US one is $449, the AU one is $579 ($607 USD).

Higher currency means higher wages, but also means higher prices because the people who work in those companies need to get paid in local dollars. This doesn't appear to be an issue that is limited to GW - looks like both cars and electronics are practicing the same behaviours. Is it fair to hold GW up as an evil company because they're following standard business practices?

It's bad business practice, and it will ultimately come back to haunt them.....you see, the problem with currency, it fluctuates....so what happens when the value of the Aus $ drops.....my guess is that the Ozzies can expect a huge price cut...true?

Will they see their salaries cut too? Well, that depends on what perspective you take. If you're looking at it from a 'what can we buy with our currency', then yes, they'll have lower salaries, but lower prices. If you look at it from a 'what can I buy here' point of view, then they won't really see much difference at all. All currencies fluctuate. Unless I'm ordering something from another country (like FW stuff), I don't notice in the least. I get paid in USD, and almost everything I buy is in USD. And our currency goes up and down (more down lately) too.

@ Lord_blackfang

Like I said, theres two sides to the argument. I think both sides are valid to a point.

However, I stand by the statement that it's bad business practice. Whether I'm right or wrong, time will tell.


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Redbeard wrote: Well, first, let's not go to extremes and claim people are being held hostage. These are luxury entertainment items, they're not food or shelter.

Secondly, can you go into why the 'excuse' is weak? Do they not have to pay salaries in Australian dollars? Do they not have to pay warehousing costs and rents in Australian dollars? One way to look at this is that it costs them more to operate in Australia, because staffing and real estate costs are higher. As a result, they have to charge more. How is this a 'weak excuse'? It seems reasonable to me.

How much do Australians pay for cars? I checked out Toyota.com.au and see their list price for a 4 door Ascent Sedan is $22k(AU) ($23,090US), while the same car is $16k(US) in the US. How much do Australians pay for electronics? A quick trip to Dell's site shows the same laptop, the US one is $449, the AU one is $579 ($607 USD).

Higher currency means higher wages, but also means higher prices because the people who work in those companies need to get paid in local dollars. This doesn't appear to be an issue that is limited to GW - looks like both cars and electronics are practicing the same behaviours. Is it fair to hold GW up as an evil company because they're following standard business practices?

I believe it's a weak excuse, because it absolves GW from taking a look at the true demands of that market. Ok, so you're essentially saying that the stores cost more to run in Australia....ok, fair point. So, question, does Australia need that type of business model, do they actually need stores? Or is this something that GW is imposing upon that particular market? Could the Australian market best be served by dropping the stores, and instead supplying via independant retailers, cheaper online sales, and in terms of the GW Hobby, again, supporting local independant retailers so that they can run Australian based Games Days etc....

Would GW be best off putting the choice into the hands of the Australian market, and actually asking them...what would you prefer, having GW stores in your towns and cities, or cheaper products.....that's called market research by the way.

Redbeard wrote: Will they see their salaries cut too? Well, that depends on what perspective you take. If you're looking at it from a 'what can we buy with our currency', then yes, they'll have lower salaries, but lower prices. If you look at it from a 'what can I buy here' point of view, then they won't really see much difference at all. All currencies fluctuate. Unless I'm ordering something from another country (like FW stuff), I don't notice in the least. I get paid in USD, and almost everything I buy is in USD. And our currency goes up and down (more down lately) too.

If a company is going to justify price rises based on curreny value, they need to follow through with that logic. if the Australian dollar slumps, GW better make sure they allow their prices to follow.....if they don't, they will loose even more customer trust.....when a company looses the trust of it's customers, it's on a good road to ruin...hence, why I state it's a bad business decision.

GW is trying to super-mold one type of marketing strategy for the whole world......this may work in some sectors, but in the luxury goods sector, I don't think it's a winning formula. People worldwide treat luxury in different measures and trying to squeeze every market into the same cookie cutter shape ignores the subtle differences unique to each market. Ignore the market = ignoring the customer = bad business.

Redbeard wrote:As a quick question, how do your Australian salaries compare to the UK or US ones?

The 'wage argument' holds no water. Please stop harping on about it.

I'm sorry, I don't see how it holds no water.

It's not "you pay more because you make more", it's "you pay more, because operating expenses in your country are higher."

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you can just handwave away legitimate explainations saying they hold no water. Especially not when you link to a post by a user with three whole posts. How do any of us know what he's on about?

It's even funnier because the very next post explains the real reason (which I also posted a few days ago and was completely ignored).

Redbeard wrote:I'm sorry, I don't see how it holds no water.

It's not "you pay more because you make more", it's "you pay more, because operating expenses in your country are higher."

If this were true, however, there wouldn't be a thriving arbitrage "shadow industry" built around circumventing the GW supply chain and supplying the exact same product at a far cheaper price with even more middlemen taking their cut added into the mix.

Yes, it's undoubtedly more expensive to run a brick-and-mortar store in AUS, but that simply speaks to the lack of viability of GW's brick-and-mortar business model, not to the necessity of prices that, even when currency is adjusted for, are 2x what third party suppliers can provide.

Redbeard wrote: Especially not when you link to a post by a user with three whole posts. How do any of us know what he's on about?

That user is actually this user. He just can’t remember his password, so used an older account. I’ve known him for years, and he is beside himself with anger over the sheer lunacy of this ‘average/median wage’ argument.

I’ll get him to come back.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Leigen_Zero wrote:I mean, couldn't you just buy a monster base, build a terrarium around it and catch something far more scary and intimidating from your back yard?

Local spiders are too big for a monster base. And they hunt in packs. And they can open doors.

And they have health bars....

I think that all this business about prices and base wage average is a bit short sighted and simple.
Gw is a luxury hobby so you shouldn't be basing your price justification not on base wages but disposable income.

Some of you seem to be taking some kind of perverse joy in supporting this open gouging by gw and to you i quote
Martin Niemöller

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

@redbeard:

Yeah... sorry about the 3 posts (I have a funny feeling my old login is connected to my old job! DARN! :()

But on the average/median/mean whatever wage thing, it doesn't make sense when you break it down further. My main points in the last post I had were around things like:

1) Definition and skewness of wages (If 1 person earns 99% of all income, the average will still look huge)
2) Cost of Living: If the cost of housing, food, clothing etc needs to be properly factored in before using that as a gauge, Sydney for example has been the most expensive (and generally top 3 in the last 10 years) which means that regardless of the higher income, there isn't a higher level of discretionary spending.

Also the higher currency works both ways. The expense base for Australia has dropped significantly in the last few years relatively to other markets for miniatures. What could be bought for $50 from overseas now can be bought for $25. So taking staff wages and premises costs the 'cost' associated with running a GW in sheer stock terms should have plummeted. But instread of realigning the price with supply and demand (the supply curve has shifted due to more being able to be supplied at the same price) they keep the price the same (and in essense out of equilibrium to all other markets)

But,
in the end these are all arguments about a flawed concept. That concept being that it is 'fair' or 'efficient' or the 'market price' for these goods are set because the wages are higher. But that is only a small part of how prices should find equilibrium in the market.

Over and above all of this is the concept of arbitrage. That is if prices are distorted (which in this case they are by definition) people can buy and sell to bring the prices back to another equilibrium. The problem here is that Games Workshop are enforcing a monopolistic power of the supply chain hence the distortion of the prices.

If I can buy an item in Europe for $20 and sell it for $30 in Australia and still be undercutting GW by 30%, do you think that GW will be able to maintain this monopoly on resellers in any real way. All they are doing is biting the businesses that in essence have been growing their customer base by dropping prices so that a larger portion of consumers can actively participate.

Not trying to be rude or anything (and hope I wasn't),
but your argument is fine, but it is an argument that the market is under monopoly and is 'unfairly' priced to the rest of the world. GW has the right to do this (to some extent) but doesn't mean that it will achieve what they think it will.


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@redbeard:

Oh, wanted to clear up the analogy that you were using for much larger corporations (toyota, dell etc).

There is a very different concept working here in these, firstly is one of tax, these items are taxed incredibly differently based on the size of the products (not so much dell, but cars more so).

Also, these companies have in essence fixed their price for multiple years into the future with swaps and derivative arrangements meaning that they will not suffer from downside effects of market movements (something GW does not do to close to the same extent). This means that the cost of this 'insurance' is the inability to take advantages of the upside to currency movements.

This however is changing. The prices for most (I say most because GW is an outlier) imported goods in particular electronics is falling. Falling a lot. The reason for this is mostly due to the sustained higher currency value. This is how markets work efficiently... sometimes they take some time. But to imply that the exact opposite happens just isn't correct.

Okay Muddy, I can see that, however, my point isn't that higher wages should automatically equate to having to pay more, but that the side effects of higher wages is that the higher wages mean higher costs.

You case about Cost of Living is no different in Australia than in the US (California versus Idaho, for example).

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying about expense base. You're saying that because what they're selling is now cheaper for them to bring to market, they should have lowered the prices?

But doesn't that then assume that their greatest cost is that of the product? Whereas, it would seem from Well's letter that the greater cost of GW operating in Australia is, in fact, the cost of operating warehouses and shops in Australia, and not the cost of the miniatures at all.

If they pulled out of Australia altogether, and left it to independent retailers to stock the products (if they chose) paying what UK wholesalers paid, you're arguing that the prices those independent retailers would set would be close to the UK prices?

I'm not sure. You mention arbitrage, but I'm not sure it is that simple. GW sets a MSRP based on allowing a reasonable markup for brick&mortar stores (theirs and other's). All businesses do, that's not them alone. The internet discounters gamble that they can make a profit on a smaller margin by selling higher volume, and so they pass some of that wholesale discount on.

In essence, you seem to be arguing that the growth of the hobby in Australia is based on the existence of online discounters providing product at a discount. But GW's stance is that the growth of the hobby is due to Brick&Mortar (both theirs, and independent's) store's investment in providing places to play, meet opponents, and learn about the game. They believe that they need to protect those sources of growth in the hobby, at the expense of the internet discounters.

I tend to believe that there is a little of column A and a little of column B involved, that the growth is due to both the efforts of the Brick&Mortars, and the lower prices. But if the brick&mortars cannot remain viable because everyone buys online, where does that leave them? If GW didn't run their own shops, and did this to protect their trade sales accounts, rather than their own sales accounts, would it be just as bad?

See, it appears that the general feeling on the internet is that GW is run by, at worst, evil masterminds dedicated to squeezing every last nickel from their customers, or at best, incompetent fools who don't understand business at all.

But I cannot buy into that. I see 'price rise' threads, and I see that the prices of raw materials are up. I see that the prices of everything I buy are up. And I figure that, having been in business for over 20 years, GW understands something about pricing and their customers. They pass increases along to their customers not to be evil, but because all gaming companies tread a fine line, and they realize the need to remain profitable (i.e. not sell at a loss).

I see a company that is continually investing in the future. That's not a sign of a company planning on raping their customer base for short-term gains at the expense of long-term excess.

So I see this, and while I understand the position you guys are in, I don't see it as a sign of gross mismanagement on GWs part. They have more data available to them than you do. Maybe they simply place a higher importance on protecting what they believe is the source of growth (Brick&Mortar) than they do on those who are simply pushing volume.

Like I said earlier, I see the same thing in other industries, notably automobiles and computers (prices above). In order to maintain a presence in Australia, they need to set prices based on Australian currency. That just seems to make sense to me.

Why oh why did this turn into a circular argument about wages parity???

Yes we have good wages (average)
Yes we have high cost of living
Yes our economy is going gangbusters giving us a strong currency.
Yes GW has been ripping us off epically for decades.

This thread was intended for members to list awesome savings.

Sorry Waagh, not intended to side track this. Might start this somewhere else.

Oh, THANKS LEGO, I have my old login back.

Delephont wrote:Jokes aside, what are you guys planning to do post the "last order"......now thats what I want to know!

Build it , ran them over with a car or something heavy , let dogs pee on it , and burn it.

Video tape all of the above , upload it on youtube , send link to GW HQ and every Wargamming forum.

Oh and on that...

I just bought:

2 Tau Piranhas ($AU82) for 25.42pounds ($39 converted)
1 GK Marines ($AU55) for 16.81pounds ($26 converted)
1 GK Terminators ($AU74) for 22.71pounds ($35 converted)
1 Trygon ($AU83) for 25.22pounds ($39 converted)
all from Maelstrom.

Saved me in total,
$155

Or in better terms... 53% off.

That people is 3% better than staff pricing in Australia (which in theory was meant to be close to the cost price of the models!! Yeah right). That alone is argument that the prices are so out of distortion that staff find it cheaper to buy from overseas.

I did want to buy some GK models when they were released, but have decided to not start the army, no matter how small or elite it is.

Better to fill holes of armies I have than to plunge money into something new.

That’s what I’ve told my friends: Use this final order to fill gaps in a force and to complete those things you have always planned to get around to.

That’s why I’ve ordered the Possessed and the Bikes. I’ve had 6 sets of Possessed wings sitting in my bitz box for months now, always with the intention of using them to make a full unit of winged Possessed (just ‘cause it’d look cool!). I’ve also had a stack of spare Khorne Berzerker heads, shoulder pads and torsos to make a Khornate Biker unit – all I needed were the bikes! – so now I’ve ordered them.

A friend of mine is going to be ordering Dreadnoughts (Ork, Marine and Eldar), as they’re the one thing he lacks in all his forces.

So fill your gaps everyone, and say thanks to Maelstrom for all they’ve done to help the hobby in Australia.

In my shopping cart, but not at checkout yet...

Codex Space Wolves £15.75 /AUD$24.10 (AUSRRP = AUD$48)
Space Wolves Battleforce £46.12 /AUD$70.56 (AUSRRP = AUD$145)
Space Marine Devastator Squad £18.45 /AUD$28.23 (AUSRRP = AUD$55)
Space Marine LR Crusader/Redeemer £34.65 /AUD$53.01 (AUSRRP = AUD$103)
Space Marine Vindicator £24.93 /AUD$38.14 (AUSRRP = AUD$74)
3 x Space Marine Razorback £18.45each /AUD$28.23each (AUSRRP = AUD$55each)
2 x Space marine Land Speeder £16.65each /AUD$25.47each (AUSRRP = AUD$50each)

Total £219.39 /AUD$335.36 (AUSRRP = AUD$690)

(without 18% off discount and cashback)

You can each do the math... and the USA GW apologists can figure this one out in USD, remembering that the USD was once stronger than the AUD and our prices were originally set in those days and GW never adjusted them.

The GK's and the Trygon are the things I have wanted for a while that I don't really collect (well... 50 grey knights accidentally happened, but oh well)

Hey, hey.

Maybe you guys could petition your government to join the EU.

My last order

1x Storm Raven £32.80
2x SPACE MARINE PREDATOR £44.32
1x SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR £22.16
2x SPACE MARINE ASSAULT SQUAD £29.60
3x Sang Priest £28.29
1x Furioso Dreadnought £22.16

£179.33 or NZ$363.57 / US$289.339

Buying it locally

£330.45 or NZ$669.80 / US$533

I had planned to slowly build my army up over the course of the year.

LunaHound wrote:

Delephont wrote:Jokes aside, what are you guys planning to do post the "last order"......now thats what I want to know!

Build it , ran them over with a car or something heavy , let dogs pee on it , and burn it.

Video tape all of the above , upload it on youtube , send link to GW HQ and every Wargamming forum.

Isn't that like, a waste of dog pee.....

I think it may actually be slightly cheaper to get a cheap flight where possible, come over and buy all the stuff and take it back. Unbeleiveable

I walked past my local flight centre last week.

On Oz Dollars:
Brisbane to London return- $1668 ($1558 from Sydney)
Underground ticket (cash) Heathrow to St Pauls return $15
Darksphere games has pick up of stock at 25% off GWUK retail for a total 58.3% saving.

Some food and couple sights - $100

Same day trip (I'd be so doing this if unemployed) $1773.

The 5 purchasers in this thread so far are up to about $1291 in savings - and that is still short of the darksphere discound by about 7%.

So to break even, you would need about 7 gamers doing a large order (realistically about every 3-4 months) before the discounts start kicking in.
Get to 15 and the savings get up to about 30%
I'm sure 15 gamers once a month could be rustled up in most cities.

And people still think that this is 'fair',

On topic though:

1 Valk and 2 paints... yes even paints are double the cost in OZ (Explain that one people!)

Saved about $50 on 35 pounds.

You ordered a Valk? Ok...

I did my final 'thank you' Wayland order. Baal Predator, Blood Bowl, 5 GKTs, 10 PAGKs, Cryx Cephalyx and Drudge Mind Slaves Unit Box and Cryx Cephalyx Overlords.

currency strengths have nothing to do with calculating prices. Look at hte difference between CAD and USD and TELL me why the difference? It doesnt make sense.

That being said, If some people in the southern hemisphere are willing to pay a little extra, I'd happilly act as an "agent", so long as it works out cost-wise in your favor. Not to profiteer, but if I have $10 for my time, so long as you still save $40 or more after all the shipping around.

for instance:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Warhammer-40K-NEW-Unassembled-Space-Marine-Tanks-x6-/260787554141?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb826475d
will cost about 440 AUD from GW, but If my math is right, for me to buy it and ship it would be around 340 AUD to be on the safe side, with tracking number.

then again, dont know how GW intends to govern ebay... so if it turns out ebay also wont be able to ship south... well... if its from the that discount game store, hit me up,and well work something out.


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checked shipping info, looks like theyre still doing Australia... still.. if one day they stop....

Just out of interest, can I order from Wayland now?

Yes, unless you are after GW product.

Wayland are concocting some kind of legal dodge around GW's embargo and will be notifying subscribers and via facebook in the near future.

I_am_a_Spoon wrote:Just out of interest, can I order from Wayland now?

Nope, every european based retailer has these conditions set on them. While Wayland is not happy with them (see their response in the thread dealing with that) they have to comply (for now) if they want to continue carrying GW stock.

Edit: Ninja´d. Of course this only applies to GW stock.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:London resident - walk to dark sphere, pick up order (25% of UK retail) and then mail it to me air mail.

What's funny is that Customs seriously under-rates miniatures. They'll pounce on everything else but they underrate minis by a mile. This is probably the best plan guys - transfer money via Paypal, get a friend in the UK to buy it and mail it out to you.

I'm sorry you all seem to be missing the point here, this is a site dedicated to the love of wargaming and minitures and you are desicrating this just because of prices. I am also a sailor i sail a 16'000 dollar boat, for a peice of rope 2 m long it costs me 100 dollars. And you complain aboat this get a life people. Sure it may cost more but i and a whole lot of people love this hobby. Take this conversation to another site not this one, its really pissing me off all of you ungreatful gammers out there. here you are complaining about prices when a kid in africa starves, this is just a hobby people.

There aren't enough facepalms in the world...

look man I dont want to stir the pot but seriously take this somewere else, maybe make your own web page. Eventualy people get annoyed with all of these posts. There is already 13 websites that have been created in the past 4 days about how people are annoyed about this topic, they are simply over it.


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And look i agree with you on the buying of cheap stuff online, but dont forget shear holders still run GW and 98% of these shear holders are war gamers. this desicion was made by these people. if you should be angry at anyone its them.

Tech Guard wrote:look man I dont want to stir the pot but seriously take this somewere else, maybe make your own web page. Eventualy people get annoyed with all of these posts. There is already 13 websites that have been created in the past 4 days about how people are annoyed about this topic, they are simply over it.

Can you stop dragging this thread off topic? If you don't want to read about these issues, don't click on the threads. Many people are interested in them, hence why so many people are talking about them.


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Tech Guard wrote:And look i agree with you on the buying of cheap stuff online, but dont forget shear holders still run GW and 98% of these shear holders are war gamers.

As they say "pics or it didn't happen". Where is your proof that 98% of "shear holders" are war gamers?

I am almost certain that the vast majority of shareholders are not gamers.

look im not out to create enemies, and yes your right i don't have evidence (i know 3 shear holders and all 3 are wargammers) but as of yet i hav'nt heard any evidence for price rises here in australia. someone please show me if i am wrong.

Redbeard wrote:As a quick question, how do your Australian salaries compare to the UK or US ones? What's the median wage in Australia, expressed in GBP or USD?

Just curious. I understand that it sucks to lose a discount that you're used to.


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Okay, no responses yet.

I found this:
Average Full Time Ordinary Time Earnings Q4 2010 State Average Annual Wage Tasmania $57,808 South Australia $60,414 Victoria $64,620 Queensland $65,619 Northern Territory $65,962 New South Wales $66,565 Western Australia $73,148 Capital Territory $76,367
Here (http://www.livingin-australia.com/salaries-australia/). Cannot state anything about accuracy.

Anyway. Picking the middle number, 65,619, that equates to $69070 US, or 42837 GBP.

In the US, according to the government site, http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html, the average annual wage here in 2009 was $40,711 USD. So, according to these figures, the average US salary is only 57% of the average Australian Salary. In the UK, this site (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285) indicates that the median salary in the UK is 26k GBP. Here, the UK salary is only 60% of the Australian salary.

I read the letter that Mark Wells wrote on facebook. And, I can understand, Australian shops have to pay their employees in Australian dollars. They have to pay their rent in Australian dollars. While I understand that it's unfortunate that you're losing a discount that you've become accustomed to having, I think your posts are a bit misleading. It does appear that you're expected to pay twice what the rest of us pay - but looking at the data here, you're also making twice what we're making...

If I'm missing something, please let me know what it is. But if you can, please cite references. I've tried to include everywhere that I've gotten my data in case you want to check it out.

The exchange rate is what you're missing. It was different back in 2010.

Also, rent etc. will be different

In the US:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=486753 wrote:$684/month.

Times that out to per year: $35568

In Australia:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/139191 wrote:We pay $800 rent

Times that out to per year: $51600

Big difference. And that's just on rent. Account for that on electricity, gas, phone, internet....

Brunius wrote:Big difference. And that's just on rent. Account for that on electricity, gas, phone, internet....

Double pay, double cost. Makes sense to me. Dunno why you think your standard of living should be twice as high for the same amount of work done.

Redbeard wrote:As a quick question, how do your Australian salaries compare to the UK or US ones? What's the median wage in Australia, expressed in GBP or USD?

Just curious. I understand that it sucks to lose a discount that you're used to.


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Okay, no responses yet.

I found this:
Average Full Time Ordinary Time Earnings Q4 2010 State Average Annual Wage Tasmania $57,808 South Australia $60,414 Victoria $64,620 Queensland $65,619 Northern Territory $65,962 New South Wales $66,565 Western Australia $73,148 Capital Territory $76,367
Here (http://www.livingin-australia.com/salaries-australia/). Cannot state anything about accuracy.

Anyway. Picking the middle number, 65,619, that equates to $69070 US, or 42837 GBP.

In the US, according to the government site, http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html, the average annual wage here in 2009 was $40,711 USD. So, according to these figures, the average US salary is only 57% of the average Australian Salary. In the UK, this site (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285) indicates that the median salary in the UK is 26k GBP. Here, the UK salary is only 60% of the Australian salary.

I read the letter that Mark Wells wrote on facebook. And, I can understand, Australian shops have to pay their employees in Australian dollars. They have to pay their rent in Australian dollars. While I understand that it's unfortunate that you're losing a discount that you've become accustomed to having, I think your posts are a bit misleading. It does appear that you're expected to pay twice what the rest of us pay - but looking at the data here, you're also making twice what we're making...

If I'm missing something, please let me know what it is. But if you can, please cite references. I've tried to include everywhere that I've gotten my data in case you want to check it out.

Averages mean nothing when more then 90% of people buying are either
A. Under the age of 16, and therefore do not have that kind of disposable income
or B. are artizans, tradies, college students or unemployed/minimum wage.

You cannot justify anything being 100% more expensive, no matter your context, than a country like america.

I would understand maybe ~30% more than america, but not 80%+

Your point is moot.

Fnote: Your figures are unfair, given australias large portent of miners, whom don't represent the majority of gamers or the country.

Before you use a source, be cynical about it, then make a decision. never take anything for truth 'till you rip it apart and make sure its the truth.

We'll make history students of you people yet!

Also,

3x predators
1 trygon
100 magnets

Cost me 155+postage.

would've cost me 306+magnets.


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SilverMK2 wrote:Where is your proof that 98% of "shear holders" are war gamers?

I imagine many of them are ready to cut our wallets off like fleece... maybe that's why he called them shearholders?


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Tech Guard wrote:look im not out to create enemies, and yes your right i don't have evidence (i know 3 shear holders and all 3 are wargammers) but as of yet i hav'nt heard any evidence for price rises here in australia. someone please show me if i am wrong.

how about back in 2008?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060074

Hell, I'd give them a testicle if I could have 5$ models again.

sorry to sound stupid but what do you mean by 5 dollar minis

Tech Guard wrote:sorry to sound stupid but what do you mean by 5 dollar minis

A model that costs $5 to buy. Many characters etc have rocketed in cost.

I was'nt into wargamming around that time


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or do you mean the 55 dollar tacticle squads around 2007-2008 remember i did a whole sons of orar army before they rocketed to 64 bucks for a squad.

Tech Guard wrote:I was'nt into wargamming around that time


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or do you mean the 55 dollar tacticle squads around 2007-2008 remember i did a whole sons of orar army before they rocketed to 64 bucks for a squad.

spoton, brah.

Tech Guard wrote:98% of these shear holders are war gamers

They are?

My understanding is that most of the shares are held by Pension Funds (safe stock I suppose. Not sure where I read that, but it is certainly out of date.

Scipio Africanus wrote:I imagine many of them are ready to cut our wallets off like fleece... maybe that's why he called them shearholders?

I was going to make a sheep/Australia joke but decided not to

SilverMK2 wrote:

Scipio Africanus wrote:I imagine many of them are ready to cut our wallets off like fleece... maybe that's why he called them shearholders?

I was going to make a sheep/Australia joke but decided not to

I was thinking of making a sheep/NZ joke, but since QUEENSLAND won the State of Origin tonight, Im in too good of a mood!

Redbeard wrote:I'm sorry, I don't see how it holds no water.

It's not "you pay more because you make more", it's "you pay more, because operating expenses in your country are higher."

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you can just handwave away legitimate explainations saying they hold no water. Especially not when you link to a post by a user with three whole posts. How do any of us know what he's on about?

This might hold some water if GW retail staff in Oz were so highly paid as to be all near average wage earners.

I wonder if this is true, no, they are retail staff. GET REAL.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:

Tech Guard wrote:98% of these shear holders are war gamers

They are?

I can beleive that, but its an aberration.

Lots of hobbyists may well have a minimum share block in a hobby company, as they wish hobby companies in their related field well. They will hold penny stocks though and their vast number will be no indication of stock relation. Also most other investors will behoove themselves to know what the company is all about, and on the grounds of being in the same room as an intro game will be classified as 'gamers', and as Pension funds and corporate block stock etc will not be counted as part of the other 2% as they are not individual share holders so the statistic is skewed so far as to be meaningless..

notprop wrote:My understanding is that most of the shares are held by Pension Funds (safe stock I suppose. Not sure where I read that, but it is certainly out of date.

Yes thats correct. Someone did some research into on another blog, over on http://theback40k.blogspot.com/2011/05/who-owns-games-workshop.html

75% of the shares are owned by large investment groups. Tom Kirby, the Chairman, owns 6%.

The GW hierarchy haven't been gamers for quite some time now. GW stopped being run and influenced by gamers when it became a publicly traded company.

filbert wrote:The GW hierarchy haven't been gamers for quite some time now. GW stopped being run and influenced by gamers when it became a publicly traded company.

Yes, the Golden years of gaming are past.

I will soon be selling my Eldar as I cannot afford to maintain too many armies with the current situation.

Tech Guard wrote: dont forget shear holders still run GW and 98% of these shear holders are war gamers

I just had to find a pic of a "shear holder"



I wonder if she's a GW shear holder, or if those are PP shears?


Aaaaaaaah just kidding. PP is a private company, so she wouldn't have any of their shears.

SilverMK2 wrote:It is amazing how much more you guys could (and soon will have to) pay for exactly the same stuff.

Its all relative...I feel that way anytime I have to order something from England.

Do feel for te Aussies...they do seem to be the bottom of the hill.

We are presently organising a solution to the present issues. please direct any input to assist here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/371626.page

I just purchased Tau Battleforce from Dark Sphere for around $60-$65 (US). GW's site it sells for $90 (also US). SCREW YOU GW.

That's showing them, King Pariah.

Make them sell another Tau Battleforce to Dark Sphere to restock...

kronk wrote:That's showing them, King Pariah.

Make them sell another Tau Battleforce to Dark Sphere to restock...

I see your point, but in this manner, GW is losing out on the Direct sales that they wish to impose.

AvatarForm wrote:I was thinking of making a sheep/NZ joke, but since QUEENSLAND won the State of Origin tonight, Im in too good of a mood!

State of origin? I love hockey!


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I'm sorry I thread necromanced, I just had to do that.

anyway, this issue is quite irritating. but in the end, we will truly get used to it, and find a way to deal with it.

In america, people pay 1.50$ per gallon and complain... [not that I deny the issue.] comparative to us, we pay upwards on a $1 per litre sometimes say its too high... even though a litre is like a quater of a gallon.

and our dollar isn't worth .25 us cents... I imagine this is them riding off of that, and they do have to be competitive with america... but we could still have lowered prices...

Who wouldn't buy 20 models for 110$ over 10 models for 60?

in the end, it will hurt them; but maybe not enough that it makes a difference.

what we should really do, is remove Wells and make Jervis CEO. [if that's what it's called in the uk.] I mean, who wouldn't want a stereotypical balding british gamer to own GW? It would be perfection.

notprop wrote:My understanding is that most of the shares are held by Pension Funds (safe stock I suppose. Not sure where I read that, but it is certainly out of date.

Correct. Three of the larger ones are in fact are pension funds. Although If memory serves, one Fund sold.....

edit: some of the share holders, institutions and funds

http://investors.morningstar.com/ownership/shareholders-major.html?t=GAW®ion=GBR&culture=en-us

The wage argument is really weak. Because prices are being set by GW for it's independent retailers rather than letting those retailers source the product in the most economical way they can and then setting their prices based on the realities of their businesses.

If the economic factors like higher costs of running a business were really what jacks up the price so high than GW would simply supply their Australian independent stores from the UK and let the higher cost of doing business there be the determiner of price.

The last thing I bought before GW shut down the EU sellers from shipping world wide was three boxes of bloodletters.

Cost of order from the UK: £48.60
Cost to buy locally: £72.75
Savings: 33.2%

Not as much of a savings as Australians get because GW's "Screw Canada pricing (TM)" is not as bad as their "Screw Australia pricing (TM)". It used to be though. Prior to the latest UK price increases, I was about to get things from the UK for less than my local store paid on their wholesale account.

On a slightly OT note (or is it back on topic?).
Waagh_Gonads, has your gear from maelstrom turned up yet?
I'm assuming their backlog is pretty heavy at the moment: I ordered a fortnight ago and it's still 'being processed'.

Yeah. The backlog is taking a while. They split my order, and the first part (a single box of Possessed) arrived yesterday. Everything else was out of stock when I ordered it, so it's still on its way.

Another friend of mine got his... but was wrong! He ordered Terminators, and got an Empire Battalion instead!!! He’s sending it back and they’re resending the order.

I guess Maelstrom’s just had one of the busiest months of their lives (Wayland too!).

My stuff is still backorder T-T

Scipio Africanus wrote:
...
but in the end, we will truly get used to it, and find a way to deal with it.
...

It's true.

Before the GW price hike and resin switch and trade embargo kicked in I made sure I got what I wanted.

HH001 Big Boris (Mk1)
HV017 Vampire 2 (Posing Vampire)
HV023 Running Ghouls
HSFTRP001 Troopers Pack 1
Ellie Mental
HSF014 The Major
HV048 Were-Turtle
Succubi Deal
DB007 DB Human #1
20 x 30mm Display plastic base
HV001 Minor Fallen One, 30mm Display base

KNEAD Kneadatite Epoxy Modeling Putty (Green Stuff)
RPR 50001 Sascha Dubois, Time Chaser
RPR 50014 Nick Stone, Intergalactic Marine
RPR 50103 Nova Corp Soldier
RPR 50120 Sgt. Bud Murphy, War Hero
2xRPR 50128 Krissy, Modern Witch
RPR 03255 Callie, Female Rogue With Bow
RPR 03274 Grave Wraith And Tombstones
RPR 09701 Blood Triad
RPR 09704 Warm Greens Triad
RPR 09705 Cool Greens Triad
RPR 65007 Lillith, Succubus

Mantic Undead Battalian (110)

Cynuise of Old, Barrow Knight Banner Bearer
Dark Vlad
Dwarf Berserker
Forgotten Warrior
Mantic Journal #1
Mantic Journal #2
Mantic Journal #3
Mantic Undead Skeleton Regiment

3xAvatars - Plastic Dwarf Beserkers Regiment

Ammo Feed Belt Size 1 - 1 mm
Ammo Feed Belt Size 2 - 2 mm
Ammo Feed Belt Size 3 - 3mm
Power Cables Sampler Set
African American - Head Set One-Conversion Parts
Icicles Strips 11 CM (110mm) long strip


Had I remained true to the faith almost none of these purchases would have occurred. I simply said back to GW what they first said to me.

Reciprocity. It's a . Especially month after month after....

Scipio Africanus wrote:In america, people pay 1.50$ per gallon and complain... [not that I deny the issue.] comparative to us, we pay upwards on a $1 per litre sometimes say its too high... even though a litre is like a quater of a gallon.

I had to comment on this. Gas has been nowhere near $1.50 a gallon in the U.S. for years. It is still very near $4.00 a gallon nationwide, in fact I just bought gas today for $3.75 a gallon, which is the lowest that it has been in over a month if not longer. As for a liter being a quarter of a gallon, that is fairly accurate and I'll give you that, as a gallon is about 3.8 liters.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Brunius wrote:Big difference. And that's just on rent. Account for that on electricity, gas, phone, internet....

Double pay, double cost. Makes sense to me. Dunno why you think your standard of living should be twice as high for the same amount of work done.

Then I expect you to donate your 'excess' earnings to the poor Chinese workers on every Made in China item.

Oh and Tech Guard, GW is owned by the following majority shareholders

http://lt.hemscott.com/SSB/tiles/company-data/forecasts-deals/major-shareholders.jsp?epic=GAW&market=LSE

Sure, GW staff are shareholders too from their employee scheme, I feel sorry for those who thought the price would keep going up and up when they bought into it during the LOTR 'bubble'.

The Plastic Surgeon wrote:Then I expect you to donate your 'excess' earnings to the poor Chinese workers on every Made in China item.

No need to. Given that they make 1/100th the wage, those Chinese workers making GW products can buy GW products for a 100th the cost of the UK. Oh... what... they can’t? Oh... And here I was thinking ‘average wage’ was a realistic measure of price in a global economy! How silly of me.

H.B.M.C. wrote: Oh... And here I was thinking ‘average wage’ was a realistic measure of price in a global economy! How silly of me.

Don't worry. We'll place the supply and demand economic sliders on the GW forums to illustrate why we are increasing the prices yet again.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Plastic Surgeon wrote:Then I expect you to donate your 'excess' earnings to the poor Chinese workers on every Made in China item.

No need to. Given that they make 1/100th the wage, those Chinese workers making GW products can buy GW products for a 100th the cost of the UK. Oh... what... they can’t? Oh... And here I was thinking ‘average wage’ was a realistic measure of price in a global economy! How silly of me.

I hate it when like minded people back pat each other on forums, so high five!

As for my last order, I did it through Wayland as they are a bit cheaper and had free shipping + direct only models!

BRETONNIAN BATTALION 1
BRETONNIAN BATTLE STANDARD 1
Orc Boar Boyz 2
River Trolls 1
ORC BOAR CHARIOT 1
OGRE KINGDOMS BULLS 2
OGRE KINGDOMS LEADBELCHERS 1
Tomb Kings Tomb Guard 2
Tomb Kings Khemrian Warsphinx/Necrosphinx 1
TOMB KINGS SKELETON WARRIORS REGIMENT 1
TOMB KINGS SKELETON CHARIOTS REGIMENT 1
ORK TRUKK 2
ORK NOBZ 1
EMPIRE FLAGELLANT WARBAND 1
GORBAD IRONCLAW
BLACK ORC REGIMENT 1
Gui le Gros - Direct Only 1
Stone Troll with Axe & Rock - Direct Only 1
Beastman Tuskgor Chariot 1
Beastmen Minotaurs 2
Stone Troll with Bone Club - Direct Only 1

Copied and pasted from my order confirmation.

Irony Alert:

My friend's order to GWUK, made after the embargo came into effect, arrived before any of the orders I made to Wayland and Maelstrom.

I know I keep saying this, but GW are Internet freeloaders. LOL!

H.B.M.C. wrote:Irony Alert:

My friend's order to GWUK, made after the embargo came into effect, arrived before any of the orders I made to Wayland and Maelstrom.

I know I keep saying this, but GW are Internet freeloaders. LOL!

Roughly how much did he save after shipping?

AvatarForm wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Irony Alert:

My friend's order to GWUK, made after the embargo came into effect, arrived before any of the orders I made to Wayland and Maelstrom.

I know I keep saying this, but GW are Internet freeloaders. LOL!

Roughly how much did he save after shipping?

For Canadians , we save like 40% off and free shipping.

Which might jump to 52% off , if the customs missed the tax xD

LunaHound wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Irony Alert:

My friend's order to GWUK, made after the embargo came into effect, arrived before any of the orders I made to Wayland and Maelstrom.

I know I keep saying this, but GW are Internet freeloaders. LOL!

Roughly how much did he save after shipping?

For Canadians , we save like 40% off and free shipping.

Which might jump to 52% off , if the customs missed the tax xD

If you ordered through our GW forums, you'd be saving about negative 143% off.

WarOne wrote:If you ordered through our GW forums, you'd be saving about negative 143% off.

Que?

LunaHound wrote:

WarOne wrote:If you ordered through our GW forums, you'd be saving about negative 143% off.

Que?

The DCMs and Mods are having fun pretending to be employees of the GW company.

I'm in charge of the GW forums.

Aww sounds fun, i want to be DCM too :<

Is this event some sort of reverse psychology tactic?
Sort of like how african americans dont like the N word, so they start using it all over their Rap and daily speech, to dull the effect and impact of the word?

before the close this was my order:

imperial guard basilisk £25.22 1 £25.22, $83
imperial guard cadian battleforce £46.33 3 £138.99, $190 - $570
imperial guard chimera £16.81 2 £33.62, $55 - $110
imperial guard leman russ £25.22 3 £75.66, $83 - $249
imperial guard manticore / deathstrike £25.22 2 £50.44, $83 - $166
imperial guard sentinel £12.71 3 £38.13, $41.00 - $123
ork deff dread £25.22 1 £25.22, $83
ork killa kans £22.71 1 £22.71, $74
space marines assault squad £15.54 1 £15.54, $55
space marines land speeder £15.54 3 £46.62, $50 - $150
Sub Total - £471.93 vs $1150

Finecast
imperial guard commissar yarrick £8.61 2 £17.22, $38 - $76
imperial guard lord commissar £7.79 2 £15.58, $26 - $52
ork warboss with attack squig £11.89 1 £11.89, $39
space marines librarian in terminator armour £11.89 1 £11.89, $39
space marines vanguard veteran squad £20.91 1 £20.91, $72
space wolves canis wolfborn £24.60 1 £24.60, $83
tau sniper drone team £18.86 1 £18.86, $62
tyranid hive tyrant £29.52 1 £29.52, $96
tyranid lictor £12.71 1 £12.71, $41
tyranid zoanthrope £12.71 1 £12.71, $41
Sub Total - £175.89 vs $601

Grand Total - £647.82 (using current exchange rate: $997.070) vs $1751 savings of $753.93

i wont be buying anything other than paints for the next 12 months.

lets put this into perspective, if i could have bought all this from a local store for prices similar to what i could overseas, all profits would have gone locally...

for the 471.93 pounds spent on the first round, which worked out around AU$730, if i had to pay the local australian price i wouldnt have been able to afford the second round.

I was so mad i had to order something, and with another 18% off already cheaper prices it was go time!!

I ordered:
1x Grey Knight terminators
2x IG infantry boxes
2x Chimeras
1x IG codex
1x Lizardman Codex
1x Stegadon
1x Lizardman battalion
1x Saurus warriors
1x Skink regiment (just cos i can)
1x Saurus Cavalry
1x Eldar Guardians
2x Eldar Falcons
3x Eldar Wave Serpents
1x Eldar support Weapon (also cos i can)
Templates, bases, paints

About $600 total, cannot describe the savings!! $600 at GW would get me the lizardmen boxes and the 4 of the tanks, thats it lol.
I really have no idead what they're playing at, UK its cheap as chips compared to here, US its slightly better since our dollar seems to be holding ok, although how much longer it holds with labour spending bukcets loads who knows, thats a different story though kiddos

I swear its to make it a rich mans game and don't get me started on finecast prices