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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
Hi,
Sorry if this is old news, I did a search for related topics before posting this. Anyway, I was just messing around on the GW UK site ordering all the Necron products just to see if they had been discontinued yet, and the Necron codex is gone from the site. Its nowhere to be found even if you pull up the full list of Necron products! Good sign for the Oct/Nov release window I guess.
Does anyone know how far out previous codexes were discontinued before there replacement?
Also your looking at 3-4 weeks if you happen to want the Deciever model, everything else all in stock though.
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Post by: HungryTaz
Just checked the US store... and it is gone as well. Nowhere to be found.
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
We most likely wont see the Necrons until October as Ogre's are being released in September now.
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Post by: kronk
Isn't this was happened to the Codex: Daemon Hunters 2-3 months before the Grey Knights release?
This would fit the Halloween 2011 rumor from last year.
Edit: I guess it was January of 2011 that we heard:
"On the necron front, sources say the dead will rise when the souls come out to play this year."
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Post by: Noisy_Marine
Uh oh. Looks like they phased out.
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Post by: Tzeentchling9
Octcron is a go then? Or is it Nectober?
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Post by: LavuranGuard
Necrovember I'm thinking 
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Post by: ceorron
Not Neccember then?
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Post by: Ascalam
Wraiths, flayed ones and Tomb Spyders are no longer available either.
Frankly they, above all other necrons, needed a redo.
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Post by: ceorron
kronk wrote:
"On the necron front, sources say the dead will rise when the souls come out to play this year."
I know that is what people are saying but we have had a lot of Vampire Count releases and "dead will rise when the souls come out to play" sounds more like reference to Vampire Count releases to me though I too very much hope it refers to Necrons.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
kronk wrote:
"On the necron front, sources say the dead will rise when the souls come out to play this year."
I remember that...its also a very fitting time to release the (robot) skeletons that rise from underground tombs.
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Post by: andrewm9
kronk wrote:Isn't this was happened to the Codex: Daemon Hunters 2-3 months before the Grey Knights release?
This would fit the Halloween 2011 rumor from last year.
Edit: I guess it was January of 2011 that we heard:
"On the necron front, sources say the dead will rise when the souls come out to play this year."
Do the Daemon Hunter codex was gone long before Grey Knights came out like about a year or more and was only available as a small pdf until the week before they were released.
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Post by: Byte
I'm looking forward to this.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:Does anyone know how far out previous codexes were discontinued before there replacement?
Also your looking at 3-4 weeks if you happen to want the Deciever model, everything else all in stock though.
The German Witchhunter Codex is OOP for 3-4 years now. And no, there is no German Sororitas Codex released 3 years ago 
That said, all Necron news&rumour threads on this forum point at a November release, as does the rumour roundup.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
Ascalam wrote:Wraiths, flayed ones and Tomb Spyders are no longer available either.
Frankly they, above all other necrons, needed a redo.
Can anyone confirm this for the UK site? It said ships in 24hrs earlier. My phone is a bit unwieldy for checking .
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Post by: His Master's Voice
They're up on the UK site with the "ships within 24 hours" clause. The codex is indeed gone.
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Post by: ceorron
Yes I can confirm the codex is no longer available. It is no longer under "Army Essentials" where the codex are usually. Also it is not listed in the Warhammer 40k books section along with all the rest. It is no longer listed on their site.
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Post by: warspawned
The Necron dex is gone? So it is...
Good, it was starting to get mouldy anyway, languishing at the bottom of GW's undone projects fridge, like some long forgotten student's sandwich 
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
pariahs are no longer available either. Not that my hearts broken. Immortals are still available though...
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Post by: His Master's Voice
I doubt any miniatures will be removed prior to the re-release, unless they have a fairly low stock of those and run out before new models are released. After plastics hit, all those metal Immortals will be dead weight anyway.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
ShatteredBlade wrote:pariahs are no longer available either. Not that my hearts broken. Immortals are still available though...
They're not called Pariahs for nothing!
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Post by: Kurgash
What's that? the book is gone and the people are all a clamor? Now we just have to wait about another 5 months! HUZZAH!
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
Kurgash wrote:What's that? the book is gone and the people are all a clamor? Now we just have to wait about another 5 months! HUZZAH!
And then they'll release a Tau Codex or something, just to make us all hurl with rage!
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Post by: Swara
I'm soo ready for some Necrons!
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Post by: Dr. Temujin
The codex is gone?? Ah, it is! Huzzah!
But we might have to wait awhile for the next one? Boooooooo. I was really hoping for an Augustcron release, too. Although, I suppose that would have meant we should have seen something in White Dwarf probably.
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Post by: omerakk
My money is still on October for them. I've seen nothing to make me think they will arrive sooner or later than that.
On a side note, it would be amazing to see lots of Necron players at major tournaments again; it's been too long.
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Post by: nosferatu1001
October for Necrons, last I heard...
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Post by: Mantle
Then we can expect an incoming e-mail and some rather annoying "preview" thumbnails of necron hands and shoulders in september- ish!  
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Post by: Sabet
still on the au site. all of it :(
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Post by: baron deathnyx
Its a shame that the C'tan are going to be weeker. the nightbringer when first released put fear in everybody. Now its the dark eldar that put fear into everybody.
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Post by: LavuranGuard
baron deathnyx wrote:Its a shame that the C'tan are going to be weeker. the nightbringer when first released put fear in everybody. Now its the dark eldar that put fear into everybody.
Eh, really? As a Dark Eldar player I hate facing Necrons, I find them very hard to kill, and the C'tan I fought last time was death on a stick for me. :(
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Post by: Ascalam
You do realise that everything in your army is poisoned??
I've had Nightbringer shot down by one venom before. Automatically Appended Next Post: For 360 pts Nightbringer had BETTER be good
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Post by: Mr. Self Destruct
LavuranGuard wrote:baron deathnyx wrote:Its a shame that the C'tan are going to be weeker. the nightbringer when first released put fear in everybody. Now its the dark eldar that put fear into everybody.
Eh, really? As a Dark Eldar player I hate facing Necrons, I find them very hard to kill, and the C'tan I fought last time was death on a stick for me. :(
Lolwut.
C'tans are cake to kill with shooting, engaging a unit of Warriors in combat = death, and the only really dangerous threat is Monoliths which you can kill with Haywires and spammed Destroyers that really cut back on the amount of Necrons in the army.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Well now. Should GW do a good job on the new Necrons and release a much better 6th edition of 40k I might actually start playing the game...
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Post by: imark789
Necrons better get a new release by November on the outside...
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Post by: Ascalam
Been saying that for 5 years or so, myself...
Not happened yet, but it's looking a bit more hopeful this time around.
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Post by: Pen≥Sword
Ascalam wrote:Wraiths, flayed ones and Tomb Spyders are no longer available either.
Frankly they, above all other necrons, needed a redo.
Can anyone say "Fine Cast"?
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Post by: Ascalam
Finecast Fugly ;0)
At least a Finecast Spyder would stay up on it's base...
Rumor has it that wraiths are getting options, so proabably a redo, ditto spyders.
Flayed ones really ought to be plastic, but i'm wishlisting there..
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
One can only hope the Necrons get plastic Immortals. Those are just painfully expensive.
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Post by: Pen≥Sword
Ascalam wrote:Finecast Fugly ;0)
At least a Finecast Spyder would stay up on it's base...
Rumor has it that wraiths are getting options, so proabably a redo, ditto spyders.
Flayed ones really ought to be plastic, but i'm wishlisting there..
Never said it was a good thing.
However it is a great chance to make them a wee bit more expensive for players to buy. I'm quite the fan of paying $140 for a squad of 10 Immortals.
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Post by: Ouze
God, I can't wait. I hope they don't ruin them. October seems an appropriate date.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
Ouze wrote:God, I can't wait. I hope they don't ruin them. October seems an appropriate date.
I really hope they don't change the fluff so that the C'tan are enslaved. Sure take them out of the codex, but leave them as the Star Gods.
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Post by: Dr. Temujin
ShatteredBlade wrote:Ouze wrote:God, I can't wait. I hope they don't ruin them. October seems an appropriate date.
I really hope they don't change the fluff so that the C'tan are enslaved. Sure take them out of the codex, but leave them as the Star Gods.
Consider the author of the new codex...
Now, not only are the C'Tan enslaved, they believe in Rowboat Girlyman as their SPIRITUAL LIEGE.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ouze wrote:God, I can't wait. I hope they don't ruin them.
Don't ruin them? You do know who's writing their Codex, yes?
That's right - him!!!
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Post by: Kurgash
Either our rules will be so amazing and no one will be able to understand despite having a 5th grade reading level OR it will go the way of Tyranids where it will be pretty good at first then some writer will get upset and proceed to write an FAQ utterly crippling a major aspect of the army. Honestly, I'd rather hope for option A, because I have a 6th grade reading level.
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Post by: Ouze
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ouze wrote:God, I can't wait. I hope they don't ruin them.
Don't ruin them? You do know who's writing their Codex, yes?
That's right - him!!!
This is why I can never get any painting done. I'm busy screwing around in photoshop all the time instead.
I hope this counts as related to wargaming:
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Post by: cyberscape7
Ouze wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Ouze wrote:God, I can't wait. I hope they don't ruin them.
Don't ruin them? You do know who's writing their Codex, yes?
That's right - him!!!
This is why I can never get any painting done. I'm busy screwing around in photoshop all the time instead.
I hope this counts as related to wargaming:
 This is pretty epic...
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Post by: warspawned
This is pretty epic...
lol - @ouze - if it helps all that time in photoshop made I giggle a little
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Yeah, so all you'll get is RT-era levels of fluff (entirely over the top) and a good codex with lots of options that are competitive without being OTT
Oh wait, those are generally good things. Sorry, bringing sense to a Ward bashing thread, I shoud know better.
Now, if it was Cruddace youd get entirely overpowered and bland, or interesting but meh to play. WIth Kelly you either get wonderfully balanced (DE) or hideously internally and externally imbalanced (SW)
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Post by: Marthike
LavuranGuard wrote:baron deathnyx wrote:Its a shame that the C'tan are going to be weeker. the nightbringer when first released put fear in everybody. Now its the dark eldar that put fear into everybody.
Eh, really? As a Dark Eldar player I hate facing Necrons, I find them very hard to kill, and the C'tan I fought last time was death on a stick for me. :(
I am sorry yo tell you, your doing it wrong.
Ctan god should die on the first turn of shooting so will most of his destroyers, if his clever he should reserved his warriors.
For the monolith I would avoid it because it can't kill enough to damage your army.
Second round of shooting you should have blown up more necrons and aim for phase out in turn 3.
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On to necrons, I have a box of them ready to be built when the codex come out can't wait.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
Mantle wrote:Then we can expect an incoming e-mail and some rather annoying "preview" thumbnails of necron hands and shoulders in september- ish!
I thought Incoming emails had been stopped, in an effort to reduce distraction from the current GW release of the month?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
nosferatu1001 wrote:Sorry, bringing sense to a Ward bashing thread, I shoud know better.
*Implying that criticism of Ward never makes sense. Besides, this isn't a Ward bashing thread. It was me and Ouze having a joke. Lighten up.
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Post by: BrookM
If Ward is the author I'd like to know how he's going to handle the Fall of Damnos, an Ultramarine defeat at the hands of mecha-zombies.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
BrookM wrote:If Ward is the author I'd like to know how he's going to handle the Fall of Damnos, an Ultramarine defeat at the hands of mecha-zombies.
Badly. And with a lot of crying. Wait, I just said this wasn't a Ward bashing thread. Quick, Brook, abandon thread like you continue to abandon your sig's and avatars!
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Post by: GBL
BrookM wrote:If Ward is the author I'd like to know how he's going to handle the Fall of Damnos, an Ultramarine defeat at the hands of mecha-zombies.
Well the guy completely ignored the blood angels novels (thank the powers that be) and i am actually quite partial to the fluff he wrote for the codex, even the necron truce stuff was a fun read.
So maybe he could do the necrons a favour and ignore their bad book appearances too.
(Please note that i have read the blood angels books, but have not read the Ultramarines/fall of damnos and am making the assumption that it is terrible)
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Post by: tantan628
What happened to gw's you'll never find anything out about new releases because we're gonna be really clever?
Now they're removing codices months before a new one comes out...
Well, that went well didn't it gw.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
tantan628 wrote:What happened to gw's you'll never find anything out about new releases because we're gonna be really clever?
They're not really all that clever?
Remember, to GW, being ' really clever' (as you put it) means ' stopping the Internet'. The sad part is that GW really thinks they have this capability, as if the Internet is something that is small and easily contained.
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Post by: BrookM
They lost that war a long time ago, they are just in denial.
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Post by: Kurgash
GBL wrote:BrookM wrote:(Please note that i have read the blood angels books, but have not read the Ultramarines/fall of damnos and am making the assumption that it is terrible)
It was actually a pretty good book. A slight bit of obvious plot armor but overall still a great book nonetheless.
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Post by: Ascalam
Slight nothing
Its a great book until the boys in blue arrive, then an ok book for the rest of it. It has a fair bit of WTF??? near the end.
Still a good read, but the Bias is pretty bleeding obvious, especially since it is supposed to be a Necron victory (and a near total one) with the Marines making hurried evacs and running for deep deep space...
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Post by: monkeyh
kronk wrote:Isn't this was happened to the Codex: Daemon Hunters 2-3 months before the Grey Knights release?
Yeah - also I seem to recall you could down load the old codex for a short while between the old one going out of print and the new one coming out - I could just be talking cobblers - but I seem to have aquired it from somewhere  .
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Post by: gorgon
Ascalam wrote:Finecast Fugly ;0)
At least a Finecast Spyder would stay up on it's base...
Rumor has it that wraiths are getting options, so proabably a redo, ditto spyders.
Flayed ones really ought to be plastic, but i'm wishlisting there..
Last I saw, rumors were pointing to beefier and more ornate plastic Immortals and Destroyers, and bigger Spyders with three build options.
But we know how accurate rumors are these days...
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
Unconfirmed rumours recently said the new tomb spider plastic kit was the size of a rhino!
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Post by: Ascalam
Other said whoops! that's the three-up of the model
I would like rhino-sized spyders though, but people would whine up a storm when i pull out my old tonkatoy ones
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Post by: Kroothawk
BTW, the German Necron Codex is still on sale. Even the german Ogre Kingdom army book, even when the new one is already officially announced for September.
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Post by: Ouze
nosferatu1001 wrote:Yeah, so all you'll get is RT-era levels of fluff (entirely over the top) and a good codex with lots of options that are competitive without being OTT
Oh wait, those are generally good things. Sorry, bringing sense to a Ward bashing thread, I shoud know better.
Now, if it was Cruddace youd get entirely overpowered and bland, or interesting but meh to play. WIth Kelly you either get wonderfully balanced (DE) or hideously internally and externally imbalanced (SW)
Aww, I didn't even know who Matt Ward was until the Blood Angels & Grey Knights codexes (codexii?) were released. It's not like I had some preformed some agenda of hating Matty - who I'm well aware, for what it's worth, does not have a free hand in writing anyway: if it got in a book, several other people approved it, probably many other people.
My feeling of his work is that his rules are generally solid and balanced, his flavor writing poor, his fluff atrocious, and his naming conventions poor. Is that not an accurate summation? If so, I feel my concerns are squarely on-topic in a Necron thread; as the fluff is probably more important to me then having awesome rules. I know that's a minority opinion, but it's how I feel.
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Post by: Sabet
codices by the way. i would like decent fluff and some average rules. just enough to actually COMPETE with anything alpha strike. or combat oriented. or insanely cheap...
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Post by: Ouze
Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:Unconfirmed rumours recently said the new tomb spider plastic kit was the size of a rhino!
And that would be awesome.
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Post by: Ledabot
Its still up in New Zealand to. Could it be its only gone in the UK and US?
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Post by: Avatar 720
Ledabot wrote:Its still up in New Zealand to. Could it be its only gone in the UK and US?
Or it could be that GW don't care much about Aus or NZ.
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Post by: Deacis657
/o/
I've been waiting and waiting for the necrons to be re-released. I picked them up about march and have been waiting and waiting. Ooooh I cant wait .
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Post by: angelshade00
Yes, well rumors for the past 6 months all pointed to an August release for the Necrons and, well, here we are... So I'll just wait and wait and wait.......
Kroothawk wrote:Even the german Ogre Kingdom army book, even when the new one is already officially announced for September.
Really? It is official? Hadn't noticed.
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Post by: Kroothawk
angelshade00 wrote:Really? It is official? Hadn't noticed.
Yes, confirmed in the new WD, see Ogre thread.
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Post by: cyberscape7
BrookM wrote:If Ward is the author I'd like to know how he's going to handle the Fall of Damnos, an Ultramarine defeat at the hands of mecha-zombies.
THIS! is why other people are doing the fluff. Matt couldn't bring himself to do it himself...
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Post by: Kurgash
I'd really like it if he went more detailed on the World Engine bit. The fact of the matter he's mentioned two of them in both of his books (Space Marine and Grey Knight) has got me wondering just what those damn things are in actuality. Fully weaponized Tomb Worlds? Just more secret Necron toys? Or just another Michael Bay style thing of "oh cool must throw that in there just because!"
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Post by: cgage00
Ya crazy they are gone.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Ledabot wrote:Its still up in New Zealand to. Could it be its only gone in the UK and US?
They must not be out of the books printed upside-down and backwards. 
I can't speak to a reason why models would be sold out in some regions, yet available in others. Maybe something to do with where the orders are filled?
The rhino-sized Spyder rumour... well, it was retracted in a sense. The OP said that it wasn't quite that large, but it definitely wasn't a 3-up.
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Post by: Darkjediben
For the record, although the more recent rumors over the past 3 months have been pointing to August release for the Necrons, the rumors I heard before those rumors were talking about Halloween releases for the Space Zombies, and now those rumors are coming back around. Look to Halloween for our phalanxes to return.
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Post by: Ledabot
Anpu-adom wrote:Ledabot wrote:Its still up in New Zealand to. Could it be its only gone in the UK and US?
They must not be out of the books printed upside-down and backwards.
We just walk upsidedown, we still read the right way up. We import so much from china, any other way would be silly.
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Post by: zedmeister
H.B.M.C. wrote:tantan628 wrote:What happened to gw's you'll never find anything out about new releases because we're gonna be really clever?
They're not really all that clever?
Remember, to GW, being ' really clever' (as you put it) means ' stopping the Internet'. The sad part is that GW really thinks they have this capability, as if the Internet is something that is small and easily contained.
Haha, I'd forgotton about the IT crowd. Yep, that's probably about right. The GW board are probably still trying to figure out how to get hold of the internet so that they can shut it down or remove all traces of negativity and competition.
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Post by: warhammerdude
Hi im just wondering if the necron codex has dissappeared before and if there would give ou ta picture and a some writing for necrons like there did with the grey knights and ifthere did come out do you think it would be worth a go at collecting necrons?
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Post by: mondo80
Has GW ever considered making a Vampire Codex? Modern vampires from the Underworld/Blade series might do well in the 40k setting.
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Post by: Carnage43
mondo80 wrote:Has GW ever considered making a Vampire Codex? Modern vampires from the Underworld/Blade series might do well in the 40k setting.
Is this a joke?
See Codex: Blood Angels.
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Post by: Ouze
Kroothawk wrote:angelshade00 wrote:Really? It is official? Hadn't noticed.
Yes, confirmed in the new WD, see Ogre thread.
Could you show me where? I tried to find "the ogre thread" and didn't see anything Necron related, I'm sure I'm looking in the wrong place. Or stupid. Or both.
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Post by: Sasori
Ouze wrote:Kroothawk wrote:angelshade00 wrote:Really? It is official? Hadn't noticed.
Yes, confirmed in the new WD, see Ogre thread.
Could you show me where? I tried to find "the ogre thread" and didn't see anything Necron related, I'm sure I'm looking in the wrong place. Or stupid. Or both.
He's talking about it's offical that Ogres are coming out in September now, instead of October.
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Post by: Ouze
Oh, nothing to do with Necrons, then?
I guess it was the middle thing.
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Post by: Murenius
Looking so forward to Necrovember I even started CSM since expanding my Necrons isn't too viable right now.
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Post by: LavuranGuard
Marthike wrote:I am sorry yo tell you, your doing it wrong.
Ctan god should die on the first turn of shooting so will most of his destroyers, if his clever he should reserved his warriors.
For the monolith I would avoid it because it can't kill enough to damage your army.
Second round of shooting you should have blown up more necrons and aim for phase out in turn 3.
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On to necrons, I have a box of them ready to be built when the codex come out can't wait.
I played Necrons again this week, I did indeed kill the C'Tan in an alpha strike, but I now find that the Tomb Stalker has borrowed the C'Tan's stick and has stuck me with it! :(
but...
I too now have a load of Necrons...
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Post by: Eeps
All the necron stuff has also disappeared from the shelves of my local GeeDubb
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
Eeps wrote:All the necron stuff has also disappeared from the shelves of my local GeeDubb
There are no Necrons even in the GW stores anymore, its a sign of an upcoming release generally.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
A solitary Tomb Spyder is sitting on the shelf at my FLGS.
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Post by: Azure
Anpu-adom wrote:A solitary Tomb Spyder is sitting on the shelf at my FLGS.
Yours stocks those? I am immensely jealous. Is the store owner willing to sell to other states?
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Post by: Murenius
Azure wrote:Yours stocks those? I am immensely jealous. Is the store owner willing to sell to other states?
I was very lucky and got the last one from my FLGS Just check out small rural non- GW stores, they often have old stuff which sat on their shelves for years.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Murenius wrote:Azure wrote:Anpu-adom wrote:A solitary Tomb Spyder is sitting on the shelf at my FLGS.
Yours stocks those? I am immensely jealous. Is the store owner willing to sell to other states?
I was very lucky and got the last one from my FLGS Just check out small rural non- GW stores, they often have old stuff which sat on their shelves for years.
One of the smallest Metropolitan areas in the US, but I don't think he'll ship. He's not stocking any Finecast yet, only the required plastics and supplies.
As for the Tomb Spyders... I don't have any yet, but I'm not interested in working with the metal ones. I guess that I'll be dropping a few hundred dollars once the Necron plastics hit the shelves.
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Post by: Ascalam
Good idea.
The metal ones are a bar-stool to put together, prone to breaking and like snapping off their base.
They do have a fugly kind of charm though
I'm hoping new ones have the same level of awesome as the Dark Eldar pain engines
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Post by: Sabet
my store has even less than before. all that's left is a monolith. too bad its still full price however, or i would be picking it up. a 3rd monolith can't hurt...
me.
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Post by: LavuranGuard
I cleaned out my local store last week, what with my Ebay purchases I'm all set for a new codex...now to upack the little men and get them painted!
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Post by: Worglock
baron deathnyx wrote:Its a shame that the C'tan are going to be weeker. the nightbringer when first released put fear in everybody. Now its the dark eldar that put fear into everybody.
Only thing I'm afraid of when playing against Dark Eldar is making my opponent sell his army after the game is over.
Dark Eldar are great looking models when they're being scooped up by the handful.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
So, I may be stretching here, but the new TK Cairn Wraith and TK Tomb Banshee may be a guide to the packaging on the upcoming Necrons.
Both models are plastic, packaged individually, but fight in units of 3-10. This dashes my hopes of seeing a plastic unit box of Immortals and Wraiths.
But then again... there are still other single Cairn Wraiths and Tomb Banshees available. This is where I may be stretching things.
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Post by: Swara
I'm not very familiar with fantasy, but I don't see the Immortals going that way. I think we will see a 5 model box with lots of options, much like the GK termy box. All speculation of course, but it just seems like that's what they are moving to.
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Post by: Tabitha
Both immortals and wraiths will be in plastic and released in unit boxes. Immortals will be 5 to a box, and wraiths I believe are also 5 to a box. But immortals definatly. Not possitive that they will be first wave since I think alot of the new stuff is going to be released first to get people to spend their monies on it, but they should be out in the second wave in like may or when-ever.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Tabitha wrote:Both immortals and wraiths will be in plastic and released in unit boxes. Immortals will be 5 to a box, and wraiths I believe are also 5 to a box. But immortals definatly. Not possitive that they will be first wave since I think alot of the new stuff is going to be released first to get people to spend their monies on it, but they should be out in the second wave in like may or when-ever.
I believe it was mentioned by one of GW game designers that a number of the models are being reworked to bring the different related Necrons to the same size. I'm guessing there will be greater interchangabilty of components.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Anpu-adom wrote:So, I may be stretching here, but the new TK Cairn Wraith and TK Tomb Banshee may be a guide to the packaging on the upcoming Necrons.
Both models are plastic, packaged individually, but fight in units of 3-10. This dashes my hopes of seeing a plastic unit box of Immortals and Wraiths.
But then again... there are still other single Cairn Wraiths and Tomb Banshees available. This is where I may be stretching things.
White Dwarf had rules to field them as individual Lords/Heroes for Vampire Counts armies, so I wouldn't hold your breath on that. I can see plastic characters in the future though.
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Post by: andrewm9
Ctan_Overlord wrote:Eeps wrote:All the necron stuff has also disappeared from the shelves of my local GeeDubb
There are no Necrons even in the GW stores anymore, its a sign of an upcoming release generally.
Not always. Sisters models have largely been gone for almost 2 years and nothing new is coming out for them. Believe me there was quite a hubbub when the disappeared completely from all stores. Chances are even with this new codex they will stay gone too. Teh only palce that players can get them is to order them and receive them at a GW store or order online and have them mailed directly.
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Post by: Breotan
Yea, I think I'm going to eBay my Spyders and Wraiths soon. Want to get the metal out of my case and make room for that wonderful spazcast hawtness.
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Post by: Ascalam
Let me know when you do.
I might be interested in picking up a few
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Post by: sennacherib
does this mean that the crons are coming out this month after all or was that just ANOTHER rumor that was false.
Sorry but i am still bitter about the summer of fliers...
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Post by: Kroothawk
sennacherib wrote:does this mean that the crons are coming out this month after all or was that just ANOTHER rumor that was false.
Sorry but i am still bitter about the summer of fliers...
1.) No Necron release in August, as the August releases are known by now.
2.) The first rumours on a Necron release this year (there was one last year as well ) centered around October/November and could still be true. Only later rumours expected them earlier.
3.) As I said several times, the "summer of flier" rumour is complex. It always contained the part that all fractions will get a flier eventually and several models have already been seen. Since the rumour started, three Codices have been releases with a flyer model (Storm Raven and Raven Wing, the third planned release delayed due to casting problems but confirmed). And ALL Codices since January 2009 except Space Wolves had a flyer/skimmer entry. So a trend towards flyers is obvious. The summer event rumour was the more speculative icing on the cake from the start (original wording: "There are currently 7 flyers in development...some complete, some nearing completion. Possibility for a summer "Flyer" White Dwarf to introduce them, including special rules.").
This is the news and rumour forum. If you can't stand (speculative) rumours to turn out false, better stick to the news.
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Post by: gorgon
I dumped all my Necron metals and my Destroyers a while back. Sometimes it pays to listen to rumors, or at least the right rumor people.
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Post by: Aeon
Summer of Fliers? Wasnt that Fantasy?
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Post by: Ascalam
Yup, complete and total fantasy
It was supposed to be a 40K thing, with each each race gettign a flier model.
To date Blood Angels / GK and Dark Eldar have one, and Guard have had one for a while.
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Post by: Avatar 720
Aeon wrote:Summer of Fliers? Wasnt that Fantasy?
No, Summer of Fliers pertained to 40k; Storm of Magic was Fantasy.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
Checked the GW site yesterday and apart from the codex, everything else is still available. The Deceiver will take 3-4 weeks though!
New rumours over on BoLs:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/08/40k-rumors-necron-special-rules.html
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Post by: Ascalam
Wraiths, codex, flayed ones, pariahs and Tomb spyder are unavailable on the US site, and have been for a while.
Thanks for the rumors
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Post by: Swara
Living metal nerfed to high hell? I hope they are wrong : (
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Post by: Algorithm
This is good news for one of my gaming buddies. He's been unable to play his Necrons without getting completely annihilated by game's end for some time now. His one shining bit of pride, the durability of his monoliths, has even been undercut by another friend of mine who runs two conversion beamers in his C:SM list. It will be nice to be able to play against the T-800 army again.
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Post by: Kurgash
Well if the rumor is true about Living metal then looks like monoliths will sit on the shelf next to the good ol' carnifex. That is such BS.
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Post by: Swara
Kurgash wrote:Well if the rumor is true about Living metal then looks like monoliths will sit on the shelf next to the good ol' carnifex. That is such BS.
Maybe they'll get something else awesome? I would like to use my 3 giant pyramids of doom : (
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Anpu-adom wrote: I guess that I'll be dropping a few hundred dollars once the Necron plastics hit the shelves.
Same here. I had just finished a squad of warriors and a lord when the rumors of new crons really started to fly a few months ago. I stopped cold and have been waiting since.
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Post by: gorgon
Kurgash wrote:Well if the rumor is true about Living metal then looks like monoliths will sit on the shelf next to the good ol' carnifex. That is such BS.
However, if the rumored 6th ed rules are accurate, vehicles are going to get a lot tougher overall. Be prepared for any vehicle pen that isn't AP1 to shake or stun 50% of the time. Considering this rule in that context on AV14 all around, Monoliths should still be pretty tough.
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Post by: Ascalam
Assuming that they are still AV 14 and nor AV 12 with funkyfields..
Also think on the Landraider. If the lith gets a good nerfbatting, and the LR doesn't than LR's are going to be even more effing indestructable to those of us with no melta or lance weapons.
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Post by: Kurgash
gorgon wrote:Kurgash wrote:Well if the rumor is true about Living metal then looks like monoliths will sit on the shelf next to the good ol' carnifex. That is such BS.
However, if the rumored 6th ed rules are accurate, vehicles are going to get a lot tougher overall. Be prepared for any vehicle pen that isn't AP1 to shake or stun 50% of the time. Considering this rule in that context on AV14 all around, Monoliths should still be pretty tough.
So even more of a melta meta game? 
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Post by: Skinnereal
Lances are likely to get a boost if vehicles get tougher, I expect.
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Post by: Battle Brother Ambrosius
I heard they will release it in October. I also heard that Matt Ward will NOT write it.
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
Where did you here that, most rumors have been saying that he is writing it.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
Well, as long as they are getting a codex. I'm afraid I'd probably break something if another marine codex comes out instead.
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Post by: Battle Brother Ambrosius
Ctan_Overlord wrote:Where did you here that, most rumors have been saying that he is writing it.
Last rumor I heard was that he was writing SoB codex instead
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Post by: Sasori
I am sure the codex was completed a significant time ago, and all rumors pointed to Mat Ward. I'm sure that hasn't changed.
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Post by: Breotan
I find it amusing that the Necron codex is gone while the Ogre Kingdoms army book (due out before Necrons) is still available for purchase.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Even small print runs cost thousands of dollars. They have probably sold out of the English Necron codex, but not the Ogre Kingdoms book. Why spend the money to stock up on a book that is going to be replaced in a few months? Why pull a book off the shelves if some un-connected sucker just getting into the game might buy it?
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Post by: Mohoc
The codex is still available in german.
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Post by: dakkawolf
Well personally, the Dark Eldar codex was fine imo, and Matt ward didn't have anything to do with it *which is why it was fine* ... So as long as he's more then 6 million miles away from it, we should all have a nice new codex to look foreward to *i used to collect necrons... but they met an untimely end falling off of my cupboard...sad times...*
As for SoB, if Ward is doing their codex, expect less awesome sisters and likely a super happy, not-at-all winged saint who fights with a large rubber mallet instead of a frikkin awesome flaming sword, and cries like an emo when chaos doesnt want to play jump rope with her.... that or a male saint, which would ruin the fluff.
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Post by: ceorron
Sasori wrote:I am sure the codex was completed a significant time ago, and all rumors pointed to Mat Ward. I'm sure that hasn't changed.
Rumour has it that Necrons will be able to have Blood Angles as allies. This will then get removed when the Necrons get a WD dex 10 years later.
P.S. still a little annoyed about the Sister codex.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
Just had another look on GW UK Site and everything is still available (apart from the codex). 
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Post by: Ctan_Overlord
Hopefully, we will get some scans from this months WD and and we can possibly know if the Necrons are coming out in October or not.
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Post by: Newabortion
Ctan_Overlord wrote:Hopefully, we will get some scans from this months WD and and we can possibly know if the Necrons are coming out in October or not.
Gw rumor control just won.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
When is the new White Dwarf out in the UK? 25th August?
It was rumoured that they would be out on All Souls Day, which is November 2nd this year, so we may not see anything in the new WD. Maybe a back page teaser? I would be happy with that to be honest, at least it would be confirmed.
Looking at the recent 'Flyer for every army' trend is it likely that one of the light vehciles will be some sort of Cron fighter from Battle Fleet Gothic?
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Post by: Kroothawk
No Necrons in the WD September, not even in the WD October preview, just a teaser for the Fantasy naval game released in October.
So November it seems to be for Necrons.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
I see, thanks Kroothawk.
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Post by: Ouze
Kroothawk wrote:No Necrons in the WD September, not even in the WD October preview, just a teaser for the Fantasy naval game released in October.
So November it seems to be for Necrons.
Thanks for the update, even though it made me a sad panda :/
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Post by: tetrisphreak
Early November release is closer to Halloween than early October, which supports early rumors of that time frame. That having been said I wish we'd have gotten them in August! I need new rules for my shiny metal robotz.
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Post by: Omegus
Noisy_Marine wrote:Uh oh. Looks like they phased out.
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Post by: ceorron
Kroothawk wrote:No Necrons in the WD September, not even in the WD October preview, just a teaser for the Fantasy naval game released in October.
So November it seems to be for Necrons.
There is a teaser for a Warhammer naval game.... Wow vindicated!!!! WWwwwWWWwwwoooowwww. Your not pulling my leg are you, Kroothawk? It seems Kirby did lol hard and choose the second option. When guessing the choices of a company gone mad you must think like a company gone mad.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
What are the chances of a games day preview like the DE got?
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Post by: angelshade00
ShatteredBlade wrote:Well, as long as they are getting a codex. I'm afraid I'd probably break something if another marine codex comes out instead.
What Blade said. Exactly.
As for Ward, if memory serves, rumors were that he was writing the codex but with others helping out. I think I read once that he is writing the rules while others take care of the fluff. So who knows, maybe it will not be ALL bad... 
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Post by: Brother SRM
Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:What are the chances of a games day preview like the DE got?
I'd definitely see that as a possibility, since GDUK is a month from today and it would make for a good reason for folks to actually go.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:What are the chances of a games day preview like the DE got?
I am not sure GW management would understand the concept of a preview even if they googled the word
ceorron wrote:There is a teaser for a Warhammer naval game.... Wow vindicated!!!!
WWwwwWWWwwwoooowwww.
Your not pulling my leg are you, Kroothawk?
See this thread (with good rumours indicating the theme but not the date even before the confirmation):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/371485.page
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Post by: dwarfholdgames
As independent stockists we haven't been able to order any Nec stuff through GW for nearly two months, I'm thinking late September early November.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
If I knew there were New Necrons at GD UK I would buy a ticket just for that.
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Post by: SGrimhart
Although it saddens me that the Necrons will not likely be out until November. It also is a happy day as this also means I can save up my pennies so that on pre order I will be able to order an army of troops and the new codex. Just curious if the rumors are true that they intend to make the flayed ones no longer a part of the elites and move them to just regular troops??
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Post by: Swara
I think the rumors had said that warriors and immortals were going to be their troops. I'd have to go back and look through it all though to make sure.
Saving your pennies is a good idea and a good way to look on the bright side. Another good thing is i'll have more time to paint what i have already! lol
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Post by: rancor122
Hello everyone. This is my first post in this forum.
And I think a can offer some good news.
On the GW homepage nearly all necron models have vanished. only a few metal or hybrid kits are left.
I think this means that the metal crap should be sold before the new plastic stuff appears and it can be interpreted as a necron release in october or november
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Post by: Ouze
Swara wrote:I think the rumors had said that warriors and immortals were going to be their troops. I'd have to go back and look through it all though to make sure.
Saving your pennies is a good idea and a good way to look on the bright side. Another good thing is i'll have more time to paint what i have already! lol
I'm saving up myself. I've managed to put $125 away, and I have a $50 gift cert to the Warstore. This is despite the very best efforts of the universe to bone me by having my car battery fail and having my dog need a $200 trip to the nighttime vet. Although I worked a 60 hour week last week just to add some cash for this, even what I have should put a pretty nice chunk in the army, I think, considering I've already got all the warriors I need, already have a Monolith, etc. I expect to only really be buying the codex, and hopefully some plastic immortals & flayed ones, and whatever new toys they get.
rancor122 wrote:Hello everyone. This is my first post in this forum.
And I think a can offer some good news.
On the GW homepage nearly all necron models have vanished. only a few metal or hybrid kits are left.
I think the site might just be screwed up. Warriors are missing from the troop list, but they are listed on the featured page for Necrons. If you add them to your cart, it shows you have $35 in the cart, but nothing in it. I would think they would just be deactivated if they were removed, and I strongly doubt they're going to redo warriors anyway; unless it's to reduce them to a box of 10 or something similar.
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Post by: Ouze
When I click your link, it takes me to a screen that briefly says "Necron Codex" and then immediately redirects to the GWS homepage.
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Post by: endtransmission
It's certainly gone from the UK site. If you do a site search for "Necron codex" in the UK you get no results that match both words. If you list all the codex books it's missing too, so I would imagine that the Oz store hasn't run out of them yet
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Post by: Temujin
The UK site is acting bizarrely. If I follow the usual links to HQ, Troops and so on, I can see only a very small number of remaining kits (2 HQs, 1 Elite, 0 Troops!, 1 Fast Attack, 2 Heavy Support). There are links to suggested purchases on several of these pages to kits that don't appear on these pages however, and if I follow links from these pages I can see pages showing further kits that appeared unavailable. For example, Necron Warriors are not on the troops list, but if I find a link to them as a suggestion on another page, then follow the link to Troops at the top of the page they do appear. Immortals and the Monolith can also be found only as suggestions. This can't be intentional, but I can only speculate as to why they've left it like this.
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Post by: Ascalam
I seem to remember the Dark Eldar section being screwy like this when they got redone, as they retooled the section for the release. 
Could be rampant wishing, of course, but why would the Necron section of their site, which has been runnng fine, if covered in dust, for a decade suddenlybe acting screwy..
Its a conspiracy, i tell you!  
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Post by: Lepuke
I have found the links to suggested purchases linking oop models for other armies before, namely Orks.
I expect a bunch of new necron models will be up for pre-order this Satuarday following anouncement at gamesday.
Having them redo Warrior sprues makes sence since they are currently 4 to a sprue which is a bit of an odd number. If you belive the scuttlebutt of 5 being the new unit minimum, i guess they would have some squad upgrades on there aswell.
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Post by: kronk
This is following the same pattern as DE last year. You can see that old thread here.
So, since Games Day UK is this weekend, I hope to see an announcement with some pictures by Monday.
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Post by: Omegus
The most interesting thing about this Codex will be whether we see any hints of 6th edition, and how Ward will turn them into Space Marines.
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Post by: Kirasu
I know this isn't 100% reliable but my store owner said that his distributor said to expect Necrons (I imagine preorders) in the next 2 weeks).. Legions is a huge store so they have a better relationship with the distributors, so who knows
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Post by: Infreak
Maybe they're just trying to mind-feth us. They try to keep such a tight lid on everything and probably are aware of all the Necron rumors and decided it would be fun to mess with everyone.
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Post by: Breotan
On the US site, I only see the Battleforce, Flayed Ones, Scarab Swarms, Tomb Spyders, and Heavy Destroyers. Everything else is gone.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
All positive signs for Necrovember!
Automatically Appended Next Post:
The UK site has the battle force, destroyer lord, res orb lord, FO's, old scarabs, and Spyders and heavy D's.
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Post by: Manchu
Necrovember, lol. The idea of new warrior sprues is exciting (although it was already a good kit) but I'm a bit disappointed that Tomb Spyders are still up on the site (if being up is actually an indication of them not getting redone).
What a massive disappointment it would be to hear nothing about Necrons at GDUK. "Hey 40k fans, did you hear about Dreadfleet yet?"
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Post by: Velour_Fog
What are they going to do with all those minis they aren't selling anymore, then? Throw them out?
I wants them!
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Post by: ArtfcllyFlvrd
Skarwael wrote:What are they going to do with all those minis they aren't selling anymore, then? Throw them out?
I wants them!
Mark them up and sell them as collectors!
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Post by: Velour_Fog
ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:Skarwael wrote:What are they going to do with all those minis they aren't selling anymore, then? Throw them out?
I wants them!
Mark them up and sell them as collectors!
It's so obvious now, why didn't I see that?!
Seriously, though what are they going to do with the plastic stuff? I've never seen those in the collectors section.
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Post by: Omegus
Infreak wrote:Maybe they're just trying to mind-feth us. They try to keep such a tight lid on everything and probably are aware of all the Necron rumors and decided it would be fun to mess with everyone.
That would require some level of intelligence, planning, and an acknowledgment that the internet exists. So I doubt it.
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Post by: lazarian
Skarwael wrote:What are they going to do with all those minis they aren't selling anymore, then? Throw them out?
I wants them!
They probably stopped making models for some time so its unlikely they have much/if any stock left. What is left is probably shipped off already I'd think.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
Skarwael wrote:What are they going to do with all those minis they aren't selling anymore, then? Throw them out?
I wants them!
They're going to super glue them into a giant Necron Katamari Ball.
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Post by: Jon Touchdown
ShatteredBlade wrote:Skarwael wrote:What are they going to do with all those minis they aren't selling anymore, then? Throw them out?
I wants them!
They're going to super glue them into a giant Necron Katamari Ball.
That would be win
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Post by: RandomSauce19
I expect it VERY soon the only thing left for fast are scarabs. HQ is lord and destroyer lord. No troops are on the site D:
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:All positive signs for Necrovember!
Automatically Appended Next Post:
The UK site has the battle force, destroyer lord, res orb lord, FO's, old scarabs, and Spyders and heavy D's.
I thought the best rumors had it in October...some hint dropped a while back pointed to a Halloween release.
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Post by: JohnnoM
I can still see the codex guys, at least in Australia. However I checked both America and UK and neither of them have the codex. LETS HOPE PEOPLE!!!
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Post by: Dr. Temujin
Breotan wrote:On the US site, I only see the Battleforce, Flayed Ones, Scarab Swarms, Tomb Spyders, and Heavy Destroyers. Everything else is gone.
Confirmed.
Also, found this page:
http://necrontombworld.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=necrongeneral&thread=36&page=6
says they have some leaked stuff! See for yourself!
http://www.imperiusdominatus.com/2011/05/news-necron-codex-leak.html
This is getting exciting... I can't stand it...
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Post by: JohnnoM
Entropic Strike makes my mouth water:
Updated Scarabs
Fast Attack choice. Three models in base unit at 45 pts, with up to seven more at 15 pts per model. Fearless, Swarms, Beast, Entropic Strike. Fout attacks on the charge with 3+ cover save in terrain (which they ignore for movement purposes - like Harlequins) . Entropic Strike is a new rules accessable to several units in the codex. Against infantry on to-wound rolls of 4+, armor saves are ignored (Invulnerables allowed). Against vehicles on armor penetration rolls, each die that rolls a 4+, reduces the vehicle's armor by 1 pt on ALL sides for the rest of the game. Vehicles are destroyed when any of its armor values reach 0.
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Post by: Ouze
kronk wrote:So, since Games Day UK is this weekend, I hope to see an announcement with some pictures by Monday.
At first I was like
Manchu wrote:What a massive disappointment it would be to hear nothing about Necrons at GDUK. "Hey 40k fans, did you hear about Dreadfleet yet?"
But then I was like
This thread shall remain an emotional roller-coaster, I suspect.
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Post by: Marthike
JohnnoM wrote:Entropic Strike makes my mouth water:
Updated Scarabs
Fast Attack choice. Three models in base unit at 45 pts, with up to seven more at 15 pts per model. Fearless, Swarms, Beast, Entropic Strike. Fout attacks on the charge with 3+ cover save in terrain (which they ignore for movement purposes - like Harlequins) . Entropic Strike is a new rules accessable to several units in the codex. Against infantry on to-wound rolls of 4+, armor saves are ignored (Invulnerables allowed). Against vehicles on armor penetration rolls, each die that rolls a 4+, reduces the vehicle's armor by 1 pt on ALL sides for the rest of the game. Vehicles are destroyed when any of its armor values reach 0.
Sounds like a good rules. Does,t sound too over powered. so basicly every 2 swarm die for 1 av loss. so your trading 30 points for 1 av. only useable on landraiders i guess.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kirasu wrote:I know this isn't 100% reliable but my store owner said that his distributor said to expect Necrons (I imagine preorders) in the next 2 weeks).. Legions is a huge store so they have a better relationship with the distributors, so who knows
So Dreadfleet doesn't exist, the WD was misprinted and Necrons are the real October release? Guess Legions relationship is not so good after all
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Post by: Sasori
I can tell you that "Leaked" page with the Necron stats was already confirmed fake.
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Post by: Ouze
Sasori wrote:I can tell you that "Leaked" page with the Necron stats was already confirmed fake.
Source on the debunking? Not that I don't believe you, but I am leery of "necroshell" and would like reassurance that sort of shenanigan won't happen. Even though I'm fairly confident that I will indeed have a Necron Lord with a Necroshell, a Necrostaff, and a Necrofist.
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Post by: Sasori
Ouze wrote:Sasori wrote:I can tell you that "Leaked" page with the Necron stats was already confirmed fake.
Source on the debunking? Not that I don't believe you, but I am leery of "necroshell" and would like reassurance that sort of shenanigan won't happen. Even though I'm fairly confident that I will indeed have a Necron Lord with a Necroshell, a Necrostaff, and a Necrofist.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/365775.page
I'm fairly sure that Yak Debunked it in this thread.
EDIT: Yep, here's the page. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1440/365775.page
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Post by: Ouze
Thank you.
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Post by: Sasori
Ouze wrote:Thank you.
Not a problem, you are most welcome.
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Post by: megatrons2nd
Rats. I was hoping to see more about Necrons by now.
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Post by: JohnnoM
Werent we all??
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Post by: Ascalam
Apparently GW has finally figured out what 'secret' means..
Unfortunately they're still working on what 'advertising' means :(
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Post by: JohnnoM
Lol, I deffinently agree. The funny thing is, GW employees are always pretending they dont know whats coming out, but I reckon they do.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Had a dream that I went to the GW website Saturday morning, and there was an announcement that Necrons were sacked. Weird dream.
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Post by: cyberscape7
Honestly, I would be happy with a GW rep on GD just saying that necrons are DEFINITLEY being released in November!
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Post by: JohnnoM
True. Oh well just a couple days till GD UK, we'll see then.
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Post by: Kroothawk
I wouldn't be so sure (hint: Arrgh)
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
Oh, do tell Kroothawk...
The DE had a preview at last years gamesday IIRC. Admittedly that was before the new ultra secret, no preorders policy.
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Post by: tarnish
Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:Oh, do tell Kroothawk...
The DE had a preview at last years gamesday IIRC. Admittedly that was before the new ultra secret, no preorders policy.
To be honest i kinda like the no-preorders-policy. Im all for rumours and advance knowledge but the preorders allways seemed agonising to me. Look at all this nice stuff! too bad you cant have it yet...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:Oh, do tell Kroothawk...
The DE had a preview at last years gamesday IIRC. Admittedly that was before the new ultra secret, no preorders policy.
My guess is that we will be lucky if we see Dreadfleet previews on GD UK.
Two years ago, GD Germany wasn't allowed to tell people about a Space Hulk release ... one  day before preorders were taken!
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Post by: Timmah
Guys, if they didn't keep it secret, gamers would actually get excited about it. And we all know hype is bad for sales...
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Post by: Soladrin
So that's why the video game industry isn't making any money. It's the hype!
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Post by: SickSix
Soladrin wrote:So that's why the video game industry isn't making any money. It's the hype!
LOL
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Post by: tarnish
Soladrin wrote:So that's why the video game industry isn't making any money. It's the hype!
it all makes sense now! how blind we have all been
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Post by: JohnnoM
Lolz, cause video games really arent making money.
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Post by: Kroothawk
C'mon guys, denying the existence of your products and play dead is the newest trend in marketing
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Post by: Dr. Temujin
Ah, nuts. I guess I'm not so good at this rumor thing. Ah, well.
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Post by: Fishboy
Anpu-adom wrote:Had a dream that I went to the GW website Saturday morning, and there was an announcement that Necrons were sacked. Weird dream.
Buddy if your dreams are about red shirts and GW then you need to get out more hehe.
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Post by: Nictolopy
Kroothawk wrote:C'mon guys, denying the existence of your products and play dead is the newest trend in marketing
Yes, but because they are advertising Necrons! (By.. NOT... advertising them...) They then announce the Necrons and the interest in comes BACK from the dead and you have a clever marketing ploy referring back to the Necrons. Because... you see. Well, Necrons. You know? They like come back from... being dead. Dead robots. Yeah....
Sorry. I'm an intern for the Games Workship Marketing department and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole thing.
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Post by: The Night Stalker
I just noticed that the warriors have been removed as well. Not sure if its been stated before. Necrons are without a doubt the next book to be released, they are the last army that is stuck in 3rd edition.
Scratch that, it seems almost everyhthing has been removed.
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Post by: JohnnoM
Lol yeah basically all but some metal stuffs. (Which is most of the army to begin with, lol)
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Post by: Manchu
Ouze wrote:kronk wrote:So, since Games Day UK is this weekend, I hope to see an announcement with some pictures by Monday.
At first I was like
Manchu wrote:What a massive disappointment it would be to hear nothing about Necrons at GDUK. "Hey 40k fans, did you hear about Dreadfleet yet?"
But then I was like
This thread shall remain an emotional roller-coaster, I suspect.
So ... sigh ... another pyrrhic victory for the cynics.
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Post by: Kroothawk
GW marketing always delivers what cynics predict
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Post by: Aeon
I dare say that GW wanted to Hype the next big thing that is Dreadfleet.
Oz GD is this w/e and is the first one in 8 or so years. I dare say that an announcement would be made there as WD is also released that day and the ad for Necrons in Nov would be in WD.
If I was GW; thats what I'd do...
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Games Workshop remains the company that I would love to love...
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Post by: JohnnoM
But sadly cannot.
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Post by: Medium of Death
So more units fade away from the GW page.
It's not even subtle any more GW!
GOD DAMMIT GIVE ME MY 'CRONS!
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Or at least friggin' tell us about their upcoming release!
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Post by: LazzurusMan
baron deathnyx wrote:Its a shame that the C'tan are going to be weeker. the nightbringer when first released put fear in everybody. Now its the dark eldar that put fear into everybody.
After watching a DE raider force from the old codex beat a friend in 1 and a half turns, i have always feared DE XD
But seriously, necrons DO need an update.
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Post by: JohnnoM
Yes, they do. I mean for christ sake Gdub, they are still stuck in 3rd ed!!
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Post by: Chowderhead
Well, yes, that's why they are getting an update. So stop whining and wait a few more months. I've been waiting for 5 years, so my friend can put up a decent fight.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
I was hoping for a cryptic (or cryptek) teaser at the back of Oct's White Dwarf, but apparently there's nothing.
I rang subscriptions today to see where my copy is and was told they were posted last Friday, sounds like BS to me.
I also rang my local store to see whether they had it in, but apparently it will be turning up in stores on the 1st Oct.
Still, we know they are coming as the website is almost devoid of Necrons you can order and the codex has been missing since I started this thread. I'm half tempted to try ring up and ask sales where they have have gone in an attempt to get an answer but am pretty sure I will be mugged off...
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Post by: WarlordRob117
GAH!!!
You gotta love when gamesworkshop employees beat around the bush... they have some great marketing training up their...
Called GW America a couple of days ago and Im being told hey yeah I play necrons, unfortunately no info. we just gotta be patient etc, etc...
Call again today, totally different dude, same response damn near verbatim...
I CAN SMELL THEM RISING DAMMIT!!!!!
I NEED EERIE GREEN GLOWING THINGS BESIDES THE ONES COMING FROM THE TOILET!!!!!
ARGH!!!! (goes back to playing dark crusade)... 
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Post by: Infreak
The only thing I can think of for this is to hype a new release without having to say anything about it as per their new marketing strategy of not announcing anything until 2 weeks prior to release. Pulling 90% of the Necron product from their webpage is a good way to obviously point to whats coming very soon and people will probably be saving up for the eventual pre-order. I mean its been several weeks since everything was removed and still longer until the rumoured release month.
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Post by: Brother Ramses
In the November issue of WD, you will find your "new" Necron Codex.
LAWLZ!
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Post by: Brother SRM
WarlordRob117 wrote:GAH!!!
You gotta love when gamesworkshop employees beat around the bush... they have some great marketing training up their...
Called GW America a couple of days ago and Im being told hey yeah I play necrons, unfortunately no info. we just gotta be patient etc, etc...
Call again today, totally different dude, same response damn near verbatim...
I CAN SMELL THEM RISING DAMMIT!!!!!
I NEED EERIE GREEN GLOWING THINGS BESIDES THE ONES COMING FROM THE TOILET!!!!!
ARGH!!!! (goes back to playing dark crusade)...
It's almost like people who work at big companies sign non disclosure agreements so they don't leak out information or something. What a concept, right?
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Post by: andrewm9
I wouldn't read into missing items too much. They may be 'repackaged'. Sisters' boxes went missing for months and then were singles only with direct order only possible. The same with the codex. You might get a pdf or a WD codex isntead. At least you had plastics.
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Post by: WarlordRob117
Brother SRM wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:GAH!!!
You gotta love when gamesworkshop employees beat around the bush... they have some great marketing training up their...
Called GW America a couple of days ago and Im being told hey yeah I play necrons, unfortunately no info. we just gotta be patient etc, etc...
Call again today, totally different dude, same response damn near verbatim...
I CAN SMELL THEM RISING DAMMIT!!!!!
I NEED EERIE GREEN GLOWING THINGS BESIDES THE ONES COMING FROM THE TOILET!!!!!
ARGH!!!! (goes back to playing dark crusade)...
It's almost like people who work at big companies sign non disclosure agreements so they don't leak out information or something. What a concept, right?
You and I both know contracts like that mean dick... technically when they go home and tell their spouses about these things, they're breaching said agreements. Plus, some retards already proved that these agreements mean little. Look at the threads concerning Grey Knights rumors and all those pictures everyone said were fake or couldnt possibly be legit... WHAMMO!!! holy hell a high toughness, high strength biped with a GK strapped into it... Im just tired of listening to robots when I could be assembling, painting, and using robots to stomp some living organisms...
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Post by: Kurgash
WarlordRob117 wrote:Brother SRM wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:GAH!!!
You gotta love when gamesworkshop employees beat around the bush... they have some great marketing training up their...
Called GW America a couple of days ago and Im being told hey yeah I play necrons, unfortunately no info. we just gotta be patient etc, etc...
Call again today, totally different dude, same response damn near verbatim...
I CAN SMELL THEM RISING DAMMIT!!!!!
I NEED EERIE GREEN GLOWING THINGS BESIDES THE ONES COMING FROM THE TOILET!!!!!
ARGH!!!! (goes back to playing dark crusade)...
It's almost like people who work at big companies sign non disclosure agreements so they don't leak out information or something. What a concept, right?
You and I both know contracts like that mean dick... technically when they go home and tell their spouses about these things, they're breaching said agreements. Plus, some retards already proved that these agreements mean little. Look at the threads concerning Grey Knights rumors and all those pictures everyone said were fake or couldnt possibly be legit... WHAMMO!!! holy hell a high toughness, high strength biped with a GK strapped into it... Im just tired of listening to robots when I could be assembling, painting, and using robots to stomp some living organisms...
Not the most tactful way of getting your point across. I'd consider more family friendly terminology when using public forums as rule of thumb, keep it clean and pretty much nice to look at.
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Post by: JohnnoM
i agree, you never know who could be on these forums.
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Post by: Brother SRM
WarlordRob117 wrote:
You and I both know contracts like that mean dick... technically when they go home and tell their spouses about these things, they're breaching said agreements. Plus, some retards already proved that these agreements mean little. Look at the threads concerning Grey Knights rumors and all those pictures everyone said were fake or couldnt possibly be legit... WHAMMO!!! holy hell a high toughness, high strength biped with a GK strapped into it... Im just tired of listening to robots when I could be assembling, painting, and using robots to stomp some living organisms...
You're about as tactful as a kick in the crotch. And no, I don't know contracts like that mean dick. I know contracts like that mean you could get fired if you break them. I've signed more than one in my time and didn't break the information because I didn't want to lose the privilege. Also please don't use the word "slow" like that.
If you're tired of listening to robots when you could be assembling, painting or gaming; try building some models, painting said models, or making some friends.
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Post by: Sir Harry Flashman, VC
Managed to have a flick through the new White dwarf. Sadly no hint of necrons, it's pretty much Dreadfleet magazine with sone SoB battle missions. Nothing but dreadfleet on back pages.
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Post by: cyberscape7
Okay so lemme get this straight; the october white dwarf has no mention of new necrons because they're advertising a game that they can "no longer guarantee" we'll get and that has been talked about non-stop since they released the first teaser for it...
LOGIC ERROR!!!
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Post by: reds8n
Kurgash wrote:
Not the most tactful way of getting your point across. I'd consider more family friendly terminology when using public forums as rule of thumb, keep it clean and pretty much nice to look at.
This is excellent advice, I can understand your frustration at the lack of info on the topic but this isn't really the best way to express yourself over this. Turn it down a few notches please. Obliged.
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
Weeell, Independent partners and Premium Stores has not been able to order in new copies of codex: Necrons for the last three months so.. the usual thing is 3-4 months before a new codex pops up. So I'd bet my lunch sandwich on this or the end of next month.
In the end it's all about profit. GW does not withdraw core products unless they are replacing them soon.
... Somehow they have not understood (STILL!) how much money a Great Crusade/Horus Heresy product would give them, or else they would be churning out plastic Space Marine armour variant kits like there was no tomorrow. Because they -Like- money.. and who doesn't.
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Post by: kronk
STC_LogisEngine wrote:
... Somehow they have not understood (STILL!) how much money a Great Crusade/Horus Heresy product would give them, or else they would be churning out plastic Space Marine armour variant kits like there was no tomorrow. Because they -Like- money.. and who doesn't.
Forgeworld has recently started churning out a lot of the different Power Armor marks, the Contemptor Dreadnought, and the old school Land raider.
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Post by: Flashman
Oh sod it, I may as well throw my observations of strange happenings into the rumour mill. My local Hobbycraft had reduced the price of its last remaining copy of the Codex: Necrons to £6.00 the other day. I had to stop some kid from buying it
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Post by: Ascalam
You should have let him.
The new codex will make us pine for the halcyon days of decent creepy fluff, even if the rules are ok, and there are some great pictures in the current dex
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Post by: WarlordRob117
Brother SRM wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:
You and I both know contracts like that mean dick... technically when they go home and tell their spouses about these things, they're breaching said agreements. Plus, some retards already proved that these agreements mean little. Look at the threads concerning Grey Knights rumors and all those pictures everyone said were fake or couldnt possibly be legit... WHAMMO!!! holy hell a high toughness, high strength biped with a GK strapped into it... Im just tired of listening to robots when I could be assembling, painting, and using robots to stomp some living organisms...
You're about as tactful as a kick in the crotch. And no, I don't know contracts like that mean dick. I know contracts like that mean you could get fired if you break them. I've signed more than one in my time and didn't break the information because I didn't want to lose the privilege. Also please don't use the word "slow" like that.
If you're tired of listening to robots when you could be assembling, painting or gaming; try building some models, painting said models, or making some friends.
reds8n wrote:Kurgash wrote:
Not the most tactful way of getting your point across. I'd consider more family friendly terminology when using public forums as rule of thumb, keep it clean and pretty much nice to look at.
This is excellent advice, I can understand your frustration at the lack of info on the topic but this isn't really the best way to express yourself over this. Turn it down a few notches please. Obliged.
Brother SRM wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:
You and I both know contracts like that mean dick... technically when they go home and tell their spouses about these things, they're breaching said agreements. Plus, some retards already proved that these agreements mean little. Look at the threads concerning Grey Knights rumors and all those pictures everyone said were fake or couldnt possibly be legit... WHAMMO!!! holy hell a high toughness, high strength biped with a GK strapped into it... Im just tired of listening to robots when I could be assembling, painting, and using robots to stomp some living organisms...
You're about as tactful as a kick in the crotch. And no, I don't know contracts like that mean dick. I know contracts like that mean you could get fired if you break them. I've signed more than one in my time and didn't break the information because I didn't want to lose the privilege. Also please don't use the word "slow" like that.
If you're tired of listening to robots when you could be assembling, painting or gaming; try building some models, painting said models, or making some friends.
Kurgash wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:Brother SRM wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:GAH!!!
You gotta love when gamesworkshop employees beat around the bush... they have some great marketing training up their...
Called GW America a couple of days ago and Im being told hey yeah I play necrons, unfortunately no info. we just gotta be patient etc, etc...
Call again today, totally different dude, same response damn near verbatim...
I CAN SMELL THEM RISING DAMMIT!!!!!
I NEED EERIE GREEN GLOWING THINGS BESIDES THE ONES COMING FROM THE TOILET!!!!!
ARGH!!!! (goes back to playing dark crusade)...
It's almost like people who work at big companies sign non disclosure agreements so they don't leak out information or something. What a concept, right?
You and I both know contracts like that mean dick... technically when they go home and tell their spouses about these things, they're breaching said agreements. Plus, some retards already proved that these agreements mean little. Look at the threads concerning Grey Knights rumors and all those pictures everyone said were fake or couldnt possibly be legit... WHAMMO!!! holy hell a high toughness, high strength biped with a GK strapped into it... Im just tired of listening to robots when I could be assembling, painting, and using robots to stomp some living organisms...
Not the most tactful way of getting your point across. I'd consider more family friendly terminology when using public forums as rule of thumb, keep it clean and pretty much nice to look at.
I can accept Kurgash's attempt at calming me down, as he/she is not a hypocrite...
All Im doing is ranting and raving about something we already agree on, and since I dont make a habit of WUSSY footing through my words (thats for respects to Kurgash), I will ask this question to Red and Brother... How can I take seriously individuals who have avatars that represent the Devil and A man who is bulk of walking, swearing, murdering, fornicating, womanizing, man flesh that is a "perfect" role model as Duke would have it... You guys are telling me to cool it?!?!?! That makes about as much sense as a poorly written script about two mentally handicaped hikers thinking its a good idea to wander around Iran and wonder why they are getting jailed and charged with conspiracy and trespassing.
I have many friends, I have no new necron models to build, paint, and game with, and I have a patience faculty that rivals the incredible hulk... get off my back gents
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Post by: reds8n
Then I suspect you won't be posting on the forum for very long as we don't appreciate or allow such behaviour. We don't want people "ranting and raving".
You guys are telling me to cool it?!?!?!
Yes we are. That's the spirit, I knew we'd get there.
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Post by: WarlordRob117
reds8n wrote: Then I suspect you won't be posting on the forum for very long as we don't appreciate or allow such behaviour. We don't want people "ranting and raving".
You guys are telling me to cool it?!?!?!
Yes we are. That's the spirit, I knew we'd get there.
Tell you what... when the rules on the forum get updated to include no ranting and raving
and you guys quite the holier than thou smartass remarks... then we'll get there...
Until then... WHERE ARE THEY?!?!?!?!
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Post by: Kirasu
You do realize they have the authority and ability to enforce what they say right?
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Post by: reds8n
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Post by: WarlordRob117
I realize full well, and that does not scare me... I did nothing wrong by my original post of wanting to know about the release of the Necrons...
When someone gets on here, and I have yet to offend anyone, and takes a stab at me... Im not the flight type... so again I will be the better man and apologize to those I have offended, but I will not be frightened by someone wishing to throw their weight around... its unprofessional, tasteless, unsound, and shows a lack of respect...
On the flip side... I stand by thoughts on an October release, it makes too much sense, then again so dont alot of things... Im just curious if the rumors are true about multiple colors for the rods to be put in the guns (red, orange, blue, and green I think I recall the last rumor)
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Post by: Manchu
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Post by: WarlordRob117
Manchu wrote:I'd also like to point out that users are responsible for abiding by the moderation. Any instance of moderation is a rule that the specific user or users being moderated should follow, whether or not (in their view) it appears on the Rules page quoted by reds8n above. One generalized rule about being polite, for example, cannot cover in specificity all the ways to be rude that people on the internet can dream up. Of course, we cannot make you follow the rules. We can only make you follow them while posting on this website. So if you don't want to abide by the moderation because you don't think there's a rule against what you're doing, or for any other reason, that's fine as long as you also no longer post on this website.
See now that deserves a hand clap... Well said Sir.
I humbly apologize for my ranting and raving as I felt it to be a simple gesture about something we were talking about at the time (See Necrons Release).
As I have no problem getting along with people, on forums or not, this simple remark has helped me understand things from all you're perspectives.
Now see where Im coming from... I feel insulted that someone had to resort to a snide or sly remark (Brother SRM) to help enlighten me to their perspective. I would hope that this person gets the same email I did regarding online etiquette. And if not, oh well... Im not going to cry over spilt milk...
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Post by: kronk
Eagerly awaiting the new Necron sculpts and codex. Not for me, but for one of our players who has yet to play Necrons without phasing out.
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Post by: Manchu
WarlordRob117 wrote: I stand by thoughts on an October release, it makes too much sense, then again so dont alot of things...
Like mentioning Necrons at GDUK? RIGHT??? Let me set the record straight: I'm right there with you, living in a world where GW will release Necrons in October. But, sadly, GW has proven to me that this is a fantasy world.
The multiple-color-rods idea would be so, so, so good. That may be the best rumor I've ever heard. Rob, you're giving me hope in he bleak post-GDUK landscape. But who's to say GW won't snatch it away or, more likely, simply act like there's nothing to hope for at all anyway under any circumstances ever don't even think it much less post it we must never know about what they plan to sell us etc, etc, etc.
Was it Ouze who said this would be an emotional rollercoster?
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Post by: WarlordRob117
kronk wrote:Eagerly awaiting the new Necron sculpts and codex. Not for me, but for one of our players who has yet to play Necrons without phasing out.
I hear ya... Im sitting on pins and needles right now... even if I dont play em, the codex's are just too well done sometimes to not enjoy reading them... for example the space marine codex's... yes they are rediculously crammed with stories that are unrealistic to the fluff sometimes, but from an imperialists perspective, you need a sort of compass to keep you on the straight and narrow... just like the necrons being victims of their own cause... plus it will be menacing for story telling Im sure... Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote: I stand by thoughts on an October release, it makes too much sense, then again so dont alot of things...
Like mentioning Necrons at GDUK? RIGHT??? Let me set the record straight: I'm right there with you, living in a world where GW will release Necrons in October. But, sadly, GW has proven to me that this is a fantasy world.
The multiple-color-rods idea would be so, so, so good. That may be the best rumor I've ever heard. Rob, you're giving me hope in he bleak post-GDUK landscape. But who's to say GW won't snatch it away or, more likely, simply act like there's nothing to hope for at all anyway under any circumstances ever don't even think it much less post it we must never know about what they plan to sell us etc, etc, etc.
Was it Ouze who said this would be an emotional rollercoster?
Bwahaha hadnt heard that quote yet but its damn funny...
Multi color rods would help restore that faith Im sure, but Im right there with you... Ultimately yes we are GW's play things, dancing around like marionettes and what not, but at the end of the day, Im in this for fun. My career field has put me in a postion where I have to be more serious about things than I'd like to be, and this fantasy world where my first prediction about their resurrection is on point would be awesome. My message to their marketing department, and I hope they read this... You'll sell alot more if you have people along for the ride. Look at gaming companies. The release bits at a time to consumers, that creates a sort of following with people really preordering and what not, plus it gives people something to aim for... realistically will this happen, Im with you chu, absolutely not... but hey, FANTASY!!!! woot!
However, plastic customizable 'Cron lord? yes please lol
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Post by: lazarian
It have intimated on occasions (GW UK, various rumor posts) this is a trial marketing strategy that will be dismissed if there is enough negative feedback. They have a product they want to sell and dont want to hurt its sales. There is also the inklings this is an appeasement to stock holders and New Line in regards to the Hobbit IP.
Again we know what others would do in this case, this is what they are doing now. No real sense in getting that worked up over it. The Necrons will sell going forward if they are released in November, however Dreadfleet might very well be hurt by cannibalized sales from other product lines. This isn't that unreasonable a business decision.
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Post by: Flashman
They can keep The Hobbit game as a big a secret as they like
I don't see why they would need to appease New Line. IIRC, they did an excellent job of not spoiling anything in the LoTR films e.g. no Balrog miniature shown until it had been seen on the big screen.
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Post by: WarlordRob117
lazarian wrote:It have intimated on occasions (GW UK, various rumor posts) this is a trial marketing strategy that will be dismissed if there is enough negative feedback. They have a product they want to sell and dont want to hurt its sales. There is also the inklings this is an appeasement to stock holders and New Line in regards to the Hobbit IP.
Again we know what others would do in this case, this is what they are doing now. No real sense in getting that worked up over it. The Necrons will sell going forward if they are released in November, however Dreadfleet might very well be hurt by cannibalized sales from other product lines. This isn't that unreasonable a business decision.
I dont know man, just feels illogical... thats something I was told by my business management profs... if it feels wrong, dont do it... Look at space marine by relic... they have been marketing this product like crazy, and its damn near surpassing most other titles in its genre, dare I say halo and GOW 3, because they got the product marketed early... IMHO, they'll sell more 'Crons with a well placed viral add, at least a couple weeks out like they did with GKs...
(steps back reads that again with glasses on) they're releasing a Hobbit game?!?!?!
Honest question: Is the LOTR table top even fun? never played it wouldnt know...
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Post by: Flashman
WarlordRob117 wrote:(steps back reads that again with glasses on) they're releasing a Hobbit game?!?!?!
Honest question: Is the LOTR table top even fun? never played it wouldnt know...
We're drifting off topic here, but yes GW retained the licence to release LoTR stuff, so most are assuming there will be a Hobbit release next year.
As to whether LoTR is fun. It's not a bad game and certainly has a pool of dedicated fans. A lot of people consider it an unneccesary distraction when GW could be doing other things (like Necrons). I had heard though that much of the sculpting is done by the Perry twins on a semi-freelance basis and GW just releases LoTR stuff as and when the Perrys finish a project.
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Post by: WarlordRob117
Agreed off topic... COCANIUM!!!! thanks for the info
So who else believes in Crontober?
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Post by: Azure
I am praying so hard for the October release, or at least advance orders being up. Need something to send to the family to buy me for a birthday gift >...< I've even messaged GW saying I need such and they've only given a cryptic 'we don't know when' , but 'their time will come one day!'
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Post by: tarnish
Is november totally unrealistic for the release? i know oct would be nice, but is it realistic? they usually let the waters settle for about a month before a new wave...
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Post by: Alfhedil
tarnish wrote:Is november totally unrealistic for the release? i know oct would be nice, but is it realistic? they usually let the waters settle for about a month before a new wave...
I see what you did there...
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
WarlordRob117 wrote:Agreed off topic... COCANIUM!!!! thanks for the info
So who else believes in Crontober?
Well, I personally believe that GW will have us wait for another decade, just until they finish releasing every chapter of SM in existence + accessories.
But yeah, October will be awesome.
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Post by: Vermillion
"When we saw people wanted necrons we went one better... Codex robocop marines! Cos people always want marines and people wanted robots!" Announced in a vid, on their website, sly hints at how powerful they are, loads of fake enthusiasm and no actual content to come?
On topic they redid DE finally this year, as well as GK and have done a stop gap list for what was seen as the core of witch hunters, so it does look good for them to get a proper release very soon. Worst part is I'll be tempted by them when I know eldar is on the horizon finally with new models!
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Post by: Nagashek
tarnish wrote:Is november totally unrealistic for the release? i know oct would be nice, but is it realistic? they usually let the waters settle for about a month before a new wave...
Orks & Goblins, Grey Knights, and Tomb Kings all came out over the course of three months earlier this year. The sudden TK release was the biggest surprise GW has given me in years (pleasant surprise, that is).
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Post by: BlackRaven1987!!
so just did my daily look to see if any necron news could be found and looked at the necron army stuff and aparently on the american side they have pulled everything from the web site to include some plastic models, not sure what this means but I just wish they would let us know womething, I would be happy with a date so I knew how long I had to save.
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Post by: LavuranGuard
Vermillion wrote:"When we saw people wanted necrons we went one better... Codex robocop marines! Cos people always want marines and people wanted robots!" Announced in a vid, on their website, sly hints at how powerful they are, loads of fake enthusiasm and no actual content to come?
On topic they redid DE finally this year, as well as GK and have done a stop gap list for what was seen as the core of witch hunters, so it does look good for them to get a proper release very soon. Worst part is I'll be tempted by them when I know eldar is on the horizon finally with new models!
DE was last year now..how time flies! I'm still thinking it'll be November like DE was.
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Post by: Vermillion
I think it's because they're only getting round to pushing the models in our faces a year later I'm thinking it was this year, my bad!
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Post by: Kroothawk
tarnish wrote:Is november totally unrealistic for the release? i know oct would be nice, but is it realistic? they usually let the waters settle for about a month before a new wave...
Why is everyone speculating on Necrons in October, when everyone already knows the October releases and can check the October WD ?
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Post by: L0rdF1end
Apparently out first week of November and mentioned in the next White Dwarf. I hope my source is spot on with this statement.
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Post by: Aeon
Ive heard rumors of only a 2 week window now. Which Dreadfleets release would fit into. Im guessing WD now no longer hints at releases for next month.
When I was a red shirt many years ago I had my manager tell me that the kids always wanted what was coming up. If you didnt know what was coming you would spend your money on what was the latest thing and not save up for the next big thing.
My guess is; that mantra has now gone global...
PS 5th November is a good date
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Post by: Flashman
Aeon wrote:PS 5th November is a good date
Why, because it's Guy Fawkes Night?
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Post by: Gaz Taylor
Flashman wrote:Why, because it's Guy Fawkes Night?
Yes because the Necrons tried to blow up the houses of parliament rather than that Guy Fawkes fellow. That or it's the first saturday of November
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Post by: WarlordRob117
Kroothawk wrote:tarnish wrote:Is november totally unrealistic for the release? i know oct would be nice, but is it realistic? they usually let the waters settle for about a month before a new wave...
Why is everyone speculating on Necrons in October, when everyone already knows the October releases and can check the October WD ?
To Kroot Hawk: How does everyone know the release for October? Even if they were to announce the new mid October, they could have them out by Halloween. Dread Fleet was announced Almost 2 weeks ago, and we are now one day away from its launch... it is not outside the realm of GW's capacity. Though I hope its not laziness, as I would not mind working for a company like GW one day just for spits and giggles.
Aeon wrote:Ive heard rumors of only a 2 week window now. Which Dreadfleets release would fit into. Im guessing WD now no longer hints at releases for next month.
When I was a red shirt many years ago I had my manager tell me that the kids always wanted what was coming up. If you didnt know what was coming you would spend your money on what was the latest thing and not save up for the next big thing.
My guess is; that mantra has now gone global...
PS 5th November is a good date
To Aeon: Like a kid with a magnifying glass to ants my friend... thats what I feel like with their marketing scheme... it just feels like bad form to me... especially since everyone kid I know between the ages of 8-14, when I show them all the codexs I own, the one they gravitate most towards, Necrons. Something is cool to the young male psyche, and since most kids dont do chores anymore for their allowance, i suppose its ok to assume that sudden blast of "Hey Necrons are here guys" might be appropriate... I do believe there are still more consumers out there that like the idea more of knowing what they want to spend their money on then being the average American and going "hey I'll buy these necrons battleforces cause they're on sale", and people laughing at them knowing full well the sons of C'Tan will rise again soon. Just feels like bad form to me...
Gaz Taylor wrote:Flashman wrote:Why, because it's Guy Fawkes Night?
Yes because the Necrons tried to blow up the houses of parliament rather than that Guy Fawkes fellow. That or it's the first saturday of November
No that was the orks that tried to blow up parliament... if you look real close during the explosions on V for Vendetta, you see grots flying into the air... IM NOT KIDDING!!!!
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Post by: KarlPedder
WarlordRob117 wrote:
To Kroot Hawk: How does everyone know the release for October? Even if they were to announce the new mid October, they could have them out by Halloween. Dread Fleet was announced Almost 2 weeks ago, and we are now one day away from its launch... it is not outside the realm of GW's capacity.
Because the October WD is out and if they were an October release they would be in the October WD.......
I think your seriously overestimating the benefits of a halloween tie in (or more to the point that such a tie in would somehow require or massively benefit from an actual halloween day release) I mean based on scuttlebutt they are slotted for Nov that would mean Nov WD released 2 days before halloween and the initial model/codex release 5 days later its all still halloween week without messing with the standard way they do releases.
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Post by: Swara
Though a Halloween release would be awesome (Samhain is my favorite holiday by far), I'm thinking that November is out next change for the unholy robots to awaken.
A Halloween flavored Necron force would be fun though, with orange crystals and flaming pumpkin heads on the lords.
Hmm.. might be a fun conversion for my hundreds if Necron bits laying around.
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Post by: Kurgash
Flashman wrote:Aeon wrote:PS 5th November is a good date
Why, because it's Guy Fawkes Night?
Best 24th Birthday Present I'd ever get! Favorite army updated right on my birthday, life would be damn sweet to me.
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Post by: Infreak
Some say "Crontober," I say "Crocktober." A halloween release I don't think would happen. A halloween annoucement I could see however.
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Post by: WarlordRob117
KarlPedder wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:
To Kroot Hawk: How does everyone know the release for October? Even if they were to announce the new mid October, they could have them out by Halloween. Dread Fleet was announced Almost 2 weeks ago, and we are now one day away from its launch... it is not outside the realm of GW's capacity.
Because the October WD is out and if they were an October release they would be in the October WD.......
I think your seriously overestimating the benefits of a halloween tie in (or more to the point that such a tie in would somehow require or massively benefit from an actual halloween day release) I mean based on scuttlebutt they are slotted for Nov that would mean Nov WD released 2 days before halloween and the initial model/codex release 5 days later its all still halloween week without messing with the standard way they do releases.
My problem with this statement is that they dont announce everything to be released or hinted in the month of October... Im concerned that if one of the writers responsible for the codex is trying to be cheesetastic and sent an email to the marketing department stating "Hey since they just randomly showed up with no warning on several of their campaigns, why dont we follow the fluff and just magically they appear on the site the day they release". Wouldnt that be a pip?
Aside from that, I would accept a halloween "reveal of sorts" or even a halloween "teaser" like someone quoted earlier about odd angled shoulder and feet shots... (thinks back to those shmucks who made random guess' at the pictures of the talos, groutesques, and wracks... ITS A DARK ELDAR HOT AIR BALLOON!!!! give me a break)
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Post by: Kroothawk
WarlordRob117 wrote:My problem with this statement is that they dont announce everything to be released or hinted in the month of October...
Is this the next level of your trolling attempts on Dakka or are you really thinking that GW is trying to hide and deny its major Codex release of this month?
Maybe you should readjust your tin foil hat.
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Post by: WarlordRob117
Kroothawk wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:My problem with this statement is that they dont announce everything to be released or hinted in the month of October...
Is this the next level of your trolling attempts on Dakka or are you really thinking that GW is trying to hide and deny its major Codex release of this month? Maybe you should readjust your tin foil hat.
Oh no DUDE I gots all new trolling tactics... chuckle chuckle But yes I really do believe it is within the capacity of company/corporate agency to play possum with its release... Why not leave us all "dead" in the water as it were... do you believe it above them? Cause I think they'd do it in a heartbeat... Im only mildly stupid, dont insult my intelligence to hard lol Be that as it may, You just said something that may be incriminating to your cause... do you know something we dont? HMMMMM???? oh well, I tried... I prefer my kevlar to your tinfoil hat... as it can used as helmet, a bowl, a stool, even a weapon woot!!!
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Post by: Manchu
At this point, Necronvber would be fine but without even a whiff of rumor I guess I'm adjusting my expectations.
GW's to customers: "You want previews? Be happy if you even get models!"
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Post by: WarlordRob117
Manchu wrote:At this point, Necronvber would be fine but without even a whiff of rumor I guess I'm adjusting my expectations.
GW's to customers: "You want previews? Be happy if you even get models!"
HAHAHAHA thats right... "You want your codex here, but how are you gonna play with no troop choices?!?!?! BWAHAHAHA" them GW's are shysters...
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Post by: Mantle
Im sure that we will get a preview sooner or later, or necrons get nerfed in to a WD codex that sucks.... happy halloween, now hears your trick and our treat...
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Post by: WarlordRob117
WarlordRob117 wrote:Manchu wrote:At this point, Necronvber would be fine but without even a whiff of rumor I guess I'm adjusting my expectations.
GW's to customers: "You want previews? Be happy if you even get models!"
HAHAHAHA thats right... "You want your codex here, but how are you gonna play with no troop choices?!?!?! BWAHAHAHA"
them GW's are shysters...
I guess the GW shysters are at work again... must be grots in the system... I mean really? necrons getting put into WD... you my friend would need a silver dollar for that one cause that would just plain start a war... Not only are necrons a ten times better army than SOB (sisters of battle for those guys who are stalker editing my posts), but their back story is far richer and deserves a thicker codex than SM's do... thats just my opinion... speaking of which, has anyone noticed anymore missing stuff from the Cron's army stuff on GW's site? imma check now.
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Post by: gilljoy
Shall be intreasting to see if anything comes from gamesday oz thats happening as I speak
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Post by: Riker210
What sort of benefit do they gain by making EVERYTHING super secret about releases. Hype and anticipation sells better than 'WOW WTF when did this come out?!?!' I personally would love to know 3-6 months before something is out so I can afford to buy it hahaha.
Look at the gaming industry, 3 years before a game is out they release a teaser and every 6 months a new full trailer. Builds hype and sells better than a random no info anything.
But this is just me and my opinion/observations and partially minor venting/frustration for our own little hobby group here at THQ Montreal. :(
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Post by: shoggoth
Riker210 wrote:What sort of benefit do they gain by making EVERYTHING super secret about releases. Hype and anticipation sells better than 'WOW WTF when did this come out?!?!' I personally would love to know 3-6 months before something is out so I can afford to buy it hahaha.
Look at the gaming industry, 3 years before a game is out they release a teaser and every 6 months a new full trailer. Builds hype and sells better than a random no info anything.
But this is just me and my opinion/observations and partially minor venting/frustration for our own little hobby group here at THQ Montreal. :(
announcing a new line of models and codex way before release will drop the sales on the older models and codex they are still trying to sell. So i would guess its why they don't announce their products too early
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Post by: WarlordRob117
Riker210 wrote:What sort of benefit do they gain by making EVERYTHING super secret about releases. Hype and anticipation sells better than 'WOW WTF when did this come out?!?!' I personally would love to know 3-6 months before something is out so I can afford to buy it hahaha.
Look at the gaming industry, 3 years before a game is out they release a teaser and every 6 months a new full trailer. Builds hype and sells better than a random no info anything.
But this is just me and my opinion/observations and partially minor venting/frustration for our own little hobby group here at THQ Montreal. :(
Holy Hell someone who understands me... even with the latest comment, if they were trying to sell more, by the marketing model, and basic marketing structure, logic dictates the biggest baddest new thing sells... even if you were to announce necrons a year out, people would still be buying stuff up because kids are impatient... and impatient kids equals sales... everyone knows that this is a game for adults... if this had an ESRB rating... it would be a Friggin big fat M!!!!
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Post by: KarlPedder
WarlordRob117 wrote:Kroothawk wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:My problem with this statement is that they dont announce everything to be released or hinted in the month of October...
Is this the next level of your trolling attempts on Dakka or are you really thinking that GW is trying to hide and deny its major Codex release of this month?
Maybe you should readjust your tin foil hat.
But yes I really do believe it is within the capacity of company/corporate agency to play possum with its release... Why not leave us all "dead" in the water as it were... do you believe it above them? Cause I think they'd do it in a heartbeat... Im only mildly stupid, dont insult my intelligence to hard lol
You keep trying to use dreadfleet as some kind of prescedent. Dreadfleet was teased in the WD the month before it was released via the flyer, due to it being a "new" product they were able to tease it without giving the game away in a way they really couldn't with new Necrons. Dreadfleet was still featured in the WD of its month of release, a WD that was pushed back 1 week so that Dreadfleet could be revealed at UK GD which made perfect sense. But pushing back a WD 1 week so they could do a big UK GD reveal of their new stand alone limited game that had no existing market is an entirely different animal than the sort of thing your implying. Dreadfleet (and the pushed back WD) still released on GWs standard 1st Sat of the month.
So it might be possible that they will push back the release of the Nov WD to the 5th of Nov (much like was done with this months) so that they can reveal the Necrons via the website on the 31st of Oct but I'm just not convinced that tying in their reveal or more so their release with a seasonal holiday even comes close to doing such for their big annual con. If the Necrons are coming this year it will be Nov which will in all likelyhood see a standard reveal/Nov WD release/pre-orders go up on the 29th of Oct and Nov 5 model/codex release with maybe some of the stuff held back till Nov19th it's still all near enoughs good enough as far as a halloween tie in is concerned without the logistical issues of further messing with an already in flux WD release schedule due to subscribers not getting it early anymore or messing with their standard release pattern.
Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of many of GWs choices of late but your taking it a bit far.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
WarlordRob117 wrote:My problem with this statement is that ... Im concerned that ... one of the writers ... [will] ... email ... the [GW] marketing department...
My problem with this statement is that you assume GW has a marketing department.
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Post by: Revarien
H.B.M.C. wrote:WarlordRob117 wrote:My problem with this statement is that ... Im concerned that ... one of the writers ... [will] ... email ... the [GW] marketing department...
My problem with this statement is that you assume GW has a marketing department.
They do... he's in padded cell 587 of the mental asylum down the street from GW in Nottingham... A nurse comes by and gives him his meds occasionally... ya know... between his 'Work-ramblings'.
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Post by: shoggoth
GW think what they are doing is the best for them and done so for a long time. so if they don't listen to their consumers now, why would they ever?
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Post by: Mantle
yeah, I was joking when I mentioned the WD reliese haha, ofcorse necrons deserve and are going to get a full codex, wont be bigger than the marines though, or else you can bet that the next army after crons is marines with the emperor re-born as a new special character....
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Post by: KilroyKiljoy
Games Day UK was a huge disappointment. I put all my eggs into the "They'll be announced then" basket, assuming GW actually had a good marketing strategy. But, no, I was sorely mistaken.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
That is all I have to say about Games Day this year.
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Post by: Cryage
KilroyKiljoy wrote:Games Day UK was a huge disappointment. I put all my eggs into the "They'll be announced then" basket, assuming GW actually had a good marketing strategy. But, no, I was sorely mistaken.
Same. I've given up on waiting, I spent $130 on GK's to finish up that army and I'm settled now.
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
Cryage wrote:KilroyKiljoy wrote:Games Day UK was a huge disappointment. I put all my eggs into the "They'll be announced then" basket, assuming GW actually had a good marketing strategy. But, no, I was sorely mistaken.
Same. I've given up on waiting, I spent $130 on GK's to finish up that army and I'm settled now.
Good, good. Do exactly what GW wants you to do. Spend your money now and in a month, get ready to spend again.
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Post by: Molten Butter
Riker210 wrote:What sort of benefit do they gain by making EVERYTHING super secret about releases. Hype and anticipation sells better than 'WOW WTF when did this come out?!?!' I personally would love to know 3-6 months before something is out so I can afford to buy it hahaha.
Look at the gaming industry, 3 years before a game is out they release a teaser and every 6 months a new full trailer. Builds hype and sells better than a random no info anything.
But this is just me and my opinion/observations and partially minor venting/frustration for our own little hobby group here at THQ Montreal. :(
The trading card game Magic: the Gathering traditionally keeps the majority of its releases secret until 3 weeks before launch, when sites slowly begin filtering in previews; before then, we usually just get a tagline, a picture, and maybe a single, very early preview card. However, that business strategy actually works for Wizards, since the cards have the rules on them and slowly revealing the cards builds up "hype" for the competitive community to preorder boxes in the few weeks before release. When a Magic set's information is shown early (See: New Phyrexia), sales can go down because the initial excitement deflates.
However, the situation for Magic isn't very comparable to the one for Warhammer, since at least we get confirmation on what they've built several months beforehand. Warhammer releases are even more quiet, and those are just model pictures, not the rules for the new codex.
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Post by: Revarien
Molten Butter wrote:Riker210 wrote:What sort of benefit do they gain by making EVERYTHING super secret about releases. Hype and anticipation sells better than 'WOW WTF when did this come out?!?!' I personally would love to know 3-6 months before something is out so I can afford to buy it hahaha.
Look at the gaming industry, 3 years before a game is out they release a teaser and every 6 months a new full trailer. Builds hype and sells better than a random no info anything.
But this is just me and my opinion/observations and partially minor venting/frustration for our own little hobby group here at THQ Montreal. :(
The trading card game Magic: the Gathering traditionally keeps the majority of its releases secret until 3 weeks before launch, when sites slowly begin filtering in previews; before then, we usually just get a tagline, a picture, and maybe a single, very early preview card. However, that business strategy actually works for Wizards, since the cards have the rules on them and slowly revealing the cards builds up "hype" for the competitive community to preorder boxes in the few weeks before release. When a Magic set's information is shown early (See: New Phyrexia), sales can go down because the initial excitement deflates.
However, the situation for Magic isn't very comparable to the one for Warhammer, since at least we get confirmation on what they've built several months beforehand. Warhammer releases are even more quiet, and those are just model pictures, not the rules for the new codex.
But the competitive community is VASTLY different compared to Warhammer, for other reasons: Mainly that Wizards phases cards and sets out when they release a new set (and bring older ones into the fold). I would put money on the competitive community buying and pre-ordering those boxes either way... mainly cause they have no choice as long as they want to keep that competitive edge... and remain playing in general.
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Post by: KilroyKiljoy
FalkorsRaiders wrote:Cryage wrote:KilroyKiljoy wrote:Games Day UK was a huge disappointment. I put all my eggs into the "They'll be announced then" basket, assuming GW actually had a good marketing strategy. But, no, I was sorely mistaken.
Same. I've given up on waiting, I spent $130 on GK's to finish up that army and I'm settled now.
Good, good. Do exactly what GW wants you to do. Spend your money now and in a month, get ready to spend again.
I lol'd. I'm seriously almost at this point as well. I need something to distract me and make time fly by faster.
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Post by: Ouze
Molten Butter wrote:The trading card game Magic: the Gathering traditionally keeps the majority of its releases secret until 3 weeks before launch, when sites slowly begin filtering in previews
If Games Workshop made M: TG, then 3 weeks before a major release they'd be denying rumors they make a collectible trading card game.
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Post by: Cerebrium
Then they would hype it up to unimaginable levels, it would inevitably fail, and they'd raise prices to compensate.
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Post by: Ouze
Utilizing a anti-UV coating used on the space shuttle, and card stock cultivated exclusively from the pulp of the rare Goat Horn Tree, it can safely be said that not since the Roman Empire have there been collectible trading cards this fine. Don't forget your addon card pulp de-burring tool for only £9.50!
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Post by: Herr Dexter
BTW, all Necron models are back on the GW site. Even few really old in HQ section
Wonder if they are trying to get them sold before new codex...
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Post by: Cerebrium
Oh, wow, the old 2nd ed one with the staff even.
Yeah, I think they're trying to shift the backed stock.
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Post by: Herr Dexter
I hope it's just to sell the old stock preparing for new releases and not dumping new codex for next year :(
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Post by: Alpharius
Please wake me (and this thread!) up when there are some actual news and rumors - thanks!
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