First mentioned by BramGaunt over at Warseer and turned out true. Pics below.
BramGaunt wrote:Time to get a little more specific.
LotR get's a relaunch this febuary (4th of feb to be precise).
Release includes 5 books (40k codex size and price, sadly no hardcover) that cover ALL armies. All existing books will be removed and are no longer for sale, except for the rulebook itself and the three campaign books for the three movies.
Following books will be released: Realms of Men (Arnor, Gondor, Rohan), Forces of Mordor (Mordor, Isengart, Moria/Misty Mountains Goblins), Free folk of Middle-Earth (Elves and Dwarfs I assumed), Fallen Realms (Harad and Easterlings) and one that sums up the rest.
The Books will contain updated rules for ALL LotR Miniatures and nullify the entries in the big Rulebook. The rulebook is not replaced, but each of the five new themed books contains several pages of updated rules. WotR will mostly vanish from stores and be a better supported specialist game. There will be releases for WotR, but the LotR tabletop stays the third of the three big GW games.
Expect your armies to change drastically.
The release is accompanied by one (1) new plastic box set (some kind of cavallery) and a whole bunch of finecast miniatures. Some old friends, like the WotR command boxes, and some genuine new sculpts.
There is nothing else happening in febuary, at least that's what I've been told. First pure LotR month for some time now. Expect pictures any day now, the new WD will feature a LOT of LotR.
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Just to be clear about it: There is a planed 40k event in late febuary, but I was told that there was no actual release associated with it. Therefor I assumed that the Tyranid-wave will be first saturday of march. Same day as the 40k event is the release of the 25 years of Warhammer 40k White Dwarf, and it would be the day preorders started. Now, a world-wide 40k happening with staffers going nuts over Tyranid and Necron Preorders sounds exactly like something GW would do.
Also, I'd be more than happy to be wrong about the "nothing but LotR in feb" part, but I think LotR players deserve a month of their own =)
Since White Dwarfs should be on their ways right now I expect pictures to show up soon, anyway.
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Again, I am not dead certain that there is nothing 40k related in feb, but my sources have been very specific. These ones have been accurate so far, I just pass on the information. Again, we will see in a couple of days. (Or, with the current WD leaks, more likely in the next 24 hours.)
Turned out true. Here some first pics from the February release (my free translation):
In addition to some Finecast recasts, some reboxing (one sprue boxes instead of many 2 sprue boxes), 4 command boxes that look like Finecast recasts, these are the new products:
The Guardian in the Lake (56€, Finecast, 4th February, 7"long and 4" high):
Great Gorgoth Beast (56€, Finecast, 4th February, Mordor, carrying 10 Orcs):
At least they have some potential for non-LOTR conversion, even if Finecast makes it difficult.
Horror from the Deep (32.50 €, Finecast, alternative head, sculpted base):
Easterlings Cataphracts (29.00 €, Plastic, includes 2 casualties):
Easterling Dragon Knight (18.25 €, Finecast):
Easterling War Priest (18.25 €, Finecast, an unmounted version will also be released this month, no pic):
Easterling Lord of Blades Amdur (26 €, Finecast):
Casualties (23.50 €, Finecast):
Groblog, King of the Deep (Goblin, 12.50 €, Finecast):
Ashrak Spiderblood (Goblin, 10.50 €, Finecast):
Warg-Lootriders (Goblins, 19.50 €, Finecast):
The 5 sourcebooks (Human Kingdoms, Free People, Fallen Realms, Mordor, Moria&Angmar) are 48 pages and 19.50 € each.
Here official names and US/Canadian prices for the LoTR Products released 4th February:
LoTR: Realms of Men (English) 48pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
LoTR: The Free Peoples (English) 64pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
LoTR: Mordor (English) 48pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
LoTR: The Fallen Realms (English) 48pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
LoTR: Moria & Angmar (English) 48pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
Easterling Kataphrakts 6 Fig Plastic Box $36.25 $43.50
Amdûr, Lord of Blades 2 Fig Finecast Clampack $33.00 $39.50
Easterling Dragon Knight 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $23.00 $27.50
Easterling War Priest 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $23.00 $27.50
Lord of The Rings Casualties 8 Fig Finecast Box $29.75 $35.75
The Watcher in the Water 1 Fig Finecast Box $71.00 $85.25
Warg Marauder 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $24.75 $29.75
Dweller in the Dark 1 Fig Finecast Box $41.25 $49.50
Grôblog, King of the Deeps 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $15.25 $19.00
Ashrâk, the Spiderkin 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $13.25 $16.00
Great Beast of Gorgoroth 1 Fig Finecast Box $71.00 $85.25
Gondor Commanders 4 Fig Finecast Box $39.50 $47.50
Rohan Commanders 4 Fig Finecast Box $39.50 $47.50
Galadhrim Elf Commanders 4 Fig Finecast Box $39.50 $47.50
Dwarf Commanders 4 Fig Finecast Box $39.50 $47.50
Here some more pics posted by Dezartfox over at One Ring:
Also soothing words by Harry:
There will be no impact on 40K or Warhammer Fantasy releases.
They have taken on additional sculptors and Games developers to ensure they have the capacity to do this without affecting the schedule for either 40K or fantasy.
I'm not saying this isn't true, or even unlikely, however the current White Dwarf (Vampire Counts) does state that the next WD (out Sat 28th Jan) will have details of the 25th anniversary, as well as WD events and in store events.
They started 40k 25th Anniversary celebrations at Warhammer World yesterday, and on the Warhammer World FB page have started the countdown, so I believe the celebrations will be early Feb rather than March.
However I am sure that when I bought Rogue Trader on it's day of release it was in June / July at games day (then at Royal Horticultural Halls London) so not quite sure why they're starting in February?
It was also announced at Games day during the seminars that 2012 would be the year of 40k, although of course LOTR will get hyped as well as the Hobbit is out Q4 2012, but I would have expected the big push for this to be Q4 2012/Q1 2013.
I don't doubt there will be stuff for LOTR in Feb, but would be very surprised if there wasn't stuff for 40K too.
I'm pretty sure at the least there will be a Necron wave.
Cerebrium wrote:Yay, an entire month dedicated to the worst system GW have ever made.
It was bound to happen anyway, with the Hobbit coming soon.
Rules-Wise it's a more sound system than 40k and Fantasy combined, and WotR outshines both by far.
Sadly, it'll be a wasted month. It'll get dropped anyway, as soon as the Ring-Craze is finally over. Haven't seen a game played in three years, and I doubt that this will revitalize it. Any real LotR players have long moved on to greener pastures.
That would be a disaster. I MUST HAVE missing models asap - need them for FLGS tournament play :]
On the side note, LoTR might have good mechanics but it lacks the certain... "oomph" the other systems have and for me it's simply "too much LOTR" everywhere :/
Staff at the Bowie Bunker has been told to make room for a big 40k event and the White Dwarf specifically mentions next month (Feb) as the 25th Anniversary month of 40k. Why in the world would they do a big LOTR release with no 40k releases during the 25th Anniversary month of 40K?
The manager at the Bunker did mention he could see them dropping the 6th ED Rule Book next month but there has been little to no rumors supporting that. He mostly gets the feeling that its gonna be Nid and Necron second waves and maybe a small IG release.
Kroothawk wrote:This rumour conflicts with the rumours about 2nd wave Tyranids/Necrons in February and might turn out false with this weeks WD release. But as the source is BramGaunt over at Warseer, I don't want to ignore it:
BramGaunt wrote: Just to be clear about it: There is a planed 40k event in late febuary, but I was told that there was no actual release associated with it. Therefor I assumed that the Tyranid-wave will be first saturday of march. Same day as the 40k event is the release of the 25 years of Warhammer 40k White Dwarf, and it would be the day preorders started. Now, a world-wide 40k happening with staffers going nuts over Tyranid and Necron Preorders sounds exactly like something GW would do.
Since White Dwarfs should be on their ways right now I expect pictures to show up soon, anyway.
Again, I am not dead certain that there is nothing 40k related in feb, but my sources have been very specific. These ones have been accurate so far, I just pass on the information. Again, we will see in a couple of days. (Or, with the current WD leaks, more likely in the next 24 hours.)
To summarize the information Kroothawk included for things people here actually care about ...
Not a fan of the system myself, but theres obviously quite enough people enjoying it to warrant a new release like that.
Its still being played though! Several times a month at least ...
I also heard about the new release from some people here and there- I dont think that these rumors are that far off.
Better not conflict with those Necron rumors though!
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chizal wrote:just been told by a friend at the company who has his new WD, its all about LOTR this month, only new 40k info is the 25th anniversary model
Wow, just wow. GW manages to find an entirely NEW way to totally anger its fan base, ignoring the poor Nids players who have been waiting FOREVER and thought they might FINALLY get some basics from their codex, AND the tons of people who happily jumped on the Necron bandwagon just a couple months ago.
Do they actually $$~PAY~$$ someone at GW to think up new ways to make us furiously angry, or what?!
BramGaunt wrote:
Also, I'd be more than happy to be wrong about the "nothing but LotR in feb" part, but I think LotR players deserve a month of their own =)
BramGaunt wrote:...and be a better supported specialist game
What the hell does that mean?
Welcome to oubliette of games? Probably means that it'll be shoved under the specialist games banner, were the finer but more forgotten games resides. Better supported probably means that you will actually have the occasional release and the molds will be looked after and retooled instead of languishing with no support and deteriorating molds (a-la Epic, Mordheim, Warmaster, BFG, etc). Seriously, some of the current molds of the minis are appalling - badly torn and damaged molds are still being used.
I really hope this isn't true, I've been looking forward to possible release (nids) that I'd actually be hyped about, the last release for my armies was...either the new Fire Prism or the plastic Daemon Prince daemon wave.
As a Tyranid player I am hoping for some loving for the army, but at this point I just want to know for sure what is coming out next month. With all the rumours out there, my anticipation is off the charts. :(
As someone trying to run a store that heavily supports GW, I find their Dis-information policy to make my life a living Hell.
-I've got no idea how to support their new releases, so I don't. I just plan my events two-three months out (like they taught me to, years ago.)
-New releases hit, and with no push behind them, have a slow sell through, no big rush of excited gamers coming in, since they don't know about the new models.
- LOTR month? Old books are dogfood? WOTR goes away? I see new releases rotting on the shelves along with old redundant product. It's pretty dead right now, with just plastic models and a few fc blisters. I have no idea how I'd gain interest in the game right now. I'll order light and it can fester in it's corner until the hobbit comes out. Who wants to buy a rulebook that is mostly superceded by info in other books?
There is the slight chance that another rumour is true and that the anniversary 40k model will be a GBP200+ plastic Thunderhawk, so 40k fans would have enough to drool about:
Kroothawk wrote:Here a rumour by an untested rumour poster over at Warseer:
Danteng7 wrote:here's what i have:
-Its a Thunderhawk.
-Release in Mid Feb.
-Limited Edition (1500-3000 available worldwide). Similar distribution pattern as space hulk/dreadfleet
-Price - GBP200-300.
take it with lotsa salt people. but thats what i have.
We will see in a week when the White Dwarf is released.
Kroothawk wrote:You mean, like making Space Hulk limited?
Well that was a stand-alone game limited to an extent by the cardboard print run. A plastic kit they can churn out as many as they want and it will be usable by every marine player on tables everywhere. And marines sell better than everything else. So to choke off the supply of a model that everyone has been waiting years for just doesn't make sense.
The idea of a limited edition plastic kit, especially of the size of a Thunderhawk, is pretty nonsensical to begin with. Thats an investments of ten to hundreds of thousands of dollars, they aren't going to take the time to manufacture something that expensive if they cant maximize their returned profits. A steel mold has a lifetime of tens of thousands of pulls, if not more, curtailing production after 1-3k would be a mistake, especially since GW knows it could sell TONS of the kit....
Howard A Treesong wrote:It is only a rumour though, we don't even know they are making it. I would have thought they would milk this release for every penny.
Sorry. Didn't see that the topic derailed there at the end of the previous page. I just assumed that we were all still talking about Lord of the Rings in a Lord of the Rings rumor thread. How silly of me.
Howard A Treesong wrote:It is only a rumour though, we don't even know they are making it. I would have thought they would milk this release for every penny.
Not any more, it isn't.
Where is the Thunderhawk confirmed?
I think Breotan is confused and believes that Howard's first statement was about Feb being a LOTR month, as opposed to what he was ACTUALLY referring to(the Thunderhawk rumor).
Cerebrium wrote:Yay, an entire month dedicated to the worst system GW have ever made.
It was bound to happen anyway, with the Hobbit coming soon.
Hey February is when the movie studios dump all their failed movies. Why not for game companies?
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Howard A Treesong wrote:Limiting the Thunderhawk to 1500-3000 total would be an extraordinarily stupid thing to do IMO.
3000 might have been the production run for the Baneblades and other large plastic Apoc vehicles? They could just be doing a standard production run with a "Limited" label attached to justify the extra $100 they will be charging for the kit.
I just hope nids get some M-spores on 2nd wave. The upside is, after the LotR stuff gets released, we wont be interrupted for releases until December (hobbit season)
Do people forget that this time is also around the 25th anniversary of Citadel's first LotR release? Though they later lost the licence they did produce a few boxed sets and a dozen or so blisters.
Here some first pics from the February release (my free translation):
In addition to some Finecast recasts, some reboxing (one sprue boxes instead of many 2 sprue boxes), 4 command boxes that look like Finecast recasts, these are the new products:
The Guardian in the Lake (56€, Finecast, 4th February, 7"long and 4" high):
Great Gorgoth Beast (56€, Finecast, 4th February, Mordor, carrying 10 Orcs):
At least they have some potential for non-LOTR conversion, even if Finecast makes it difficult.
Horror from the Deep (32.50 €, Finecast, alternative head, sculpted base):
Easterlings Cataphracts (29.00 €, Plastic, includes 2 casualties):
Easterling Dragon Knight (18.25 €, Finecast):
Easterling War Priest (18.25 €, Finecast, an unmounted version will also be released this month, no pic):
Easterling Lord of Blades Amdur (26 €, Finecast):
Casualties (23.50 €, Finecast):
Groblog, King of the Deep (Goblin, 12.50 €, Finecast):
Ashrak Spiderblood (Goblin, 10.50 €, Finecast):
Warg-Lootriders (Goblins, 19.50 €, Finecast):
The 5 sourcebooks (Human Kingdoms, Free People, Fallen Realms, Mordor, Moria&Angmar) are 48 pages and 19.50 € each.
Such a shame. I dont like either model but I did enjoy the LotR games when they came out. I hope that Forge World can take the idea of that orc beast thing and do a fantasy squiggoth version.
Limited Edition Thunderhawk? Why would you make a clear best seller limited edition? Why would you machine the moulds for a kit that would have as many sprues as the Stompa (no doubt) and then not keep it on sale?
Howard A Treesong wrote:Limiting the Thunderhawk to 1500-3000 total would be an extraordinarily stupid thing to do IMO.
So, in other words, exactly the kind of brain-dead short-term-profit-over-long-term-growth bs that GW always does.
And is that what the full Watcher in LOTR was meant to look like? It had insect legs under the water?
It looks like a tree stump, mixed with flotsam and finished with tentacles. More like something we would see in tentacle hentai :/
Oh, well - at lease Nurgle lovers will have a nice conversion - if this isn't material for Beast of Nurgle, I don't know what is...
Man, really digging the Guardian, Horror and the Kataphracts. I might well make my first serious LotR purchase if I see them. Not for use in that game, but just as general sweet models.
I'm no fan of the mounted Warpriest and Dragon knight, which would be cheap and easy to convert, the Great Beast really doesn't look like a good model for Finecast and should have been made into a plastic kit.
when i heard that it was a lotr month i wasn't very excited at all.... don't mind the strategy battlegame but would have preffered new crons.... however i have a small (for goblins) moria goblin force and those goblin units look nice =) lets see what february brings us (still wanted more crons though =()
Since when did the Guardian (this is supposed to be the thing in the water @ Moria, right?) become some sort of bug??
Does GW have the liberty to just make up stuff or is there previous art indicating it should look like this?
And even though I am not sure what all of it cost before those prices for the finecast LOTR seem to have gotten rediculous even for GW's standard. Almost 20,- euro for one smallish detail-lacking horseman, daamn.
TBD wrote:Since when did the Guardian (this is supposed to be the thing in the water @ Moria, right?) become some sort of bug??
The thing in the film is "the watcher in the water" a different beast.
Okay, it is a relief that they are not intending it to be the same thing. I wouldn't want Tolkien to have to roll over a dozen time in his grave because GW is butchering his creations.
Not sure what story this Guardian comes from then though.
TBD wrote:Since when did the Guardian (this is supposed to be the thing in the water @ Moria, right?) become some sort of bug??
The thing in the film is "the watcher in the water" a different beast.
Okay, it is a relief that they are not intending it to be the same thing. I wouldn't want Tolkien to have to roll over a dozen time in his grave because GW is butchering his creations.
Not sure what story this Guardian comes from then though.
Doubt Tolkien would mind seeing as how all he said about it can be summed up with 'Tentacles'. He never specified what it was and Frodo/Gandalf weren't even sure it was the one creature. The kraken-y thing is PJs creation
I like the Lotr stuff, especially the Easterlings, a lot and the Kataphrakts will make me finish my Easterling army for the SBG. So I am not disappointed at all although I can understand the gripe of the Tyranid players. And the 25 yr celebratory issue with mostly Lotr is indeed a headsratcher. ^^
Saphos wrote:I like the Lotr stuff, especially the Easterlings, a lot and the Kataphrakts will make me finish my Easterling army for the SBG. So I am not disappointed at all although I can understand the gripe of the Tyranid players. And the 25 yr celebratory issue with mostly Lotr is indeed a headsratcher. ^^
Well, maybe they're trying to flush out all the LotR stuff to clear the calendar so that the next year can be "ALL 40K ALL THE TIME!"
The guardian and the demon thing just show how little imagination GW plans on putting in to the LOTR range, it doesn't effect me much because I stopped playing years ago but still....
Cerebrium wrote:Yay, an entire month dedicated to the worst system GW have ever made.
It was bound to happen anyway, with the Hobbit coming soon.
Rules-Wise it's a more sound system than 40k and Fantasy combined, and WotR outshines both by far.
Sadly, it'll be a wasted month. It'll get dropped anyway, as soon as the Ring-Craze is finally over. Haven't seen a game played in three years, and I doubt that this will revitalize it. Any real LotR players have long moved on to greener pastures.
People keep saying this, yet most FLGS owners can't justify carrying the game for more than 6-9 months, because nobody enjoys or buys into the system. Regardless of promotion, shelf space, etc., it just doesn't sell beyond the "bubbles" associated with the film release.
It's a waste when the most prevalent game in the industry still has so many necessary releases.
I really do like the Guardian in the Lake, though perhaps not enought to spend £44 on it (I'm assuming it'll be the same price band as the dragon). Still, I think it's a great interpretation of the whole "Watcher in the Water" family, one I actually find more credible than an octopus/kraken. Is the Terror from the Children of Hurin? I thought CoH was mostly elven politics, a handful of orcs, a lot of tragedy and an appearance by Glaurung at the end? I can't find any other reference to it anywhere. It is entirely possible GW just invented it to fill a gap in the "monsters" market, like they did Gulavhar or the Cave Drake...
Keep in mind that the names are my personal retranslations from German. Someone please post the original English names.
So the Guardian/Watcher is indeed the tentacle thing West of Moria. It has legs now because it can deepstrike and move on the whole battlefield, not just lakes.
BTW for all LOTR haters. In Germany, GW gave a licence to Agostini Publishing to do a LOTR magazine with one sprue per issue and some tidbits on rules, painting etc as content. Agostini made TV ads and professional marketing, being present at most newsagents. Was a huge hit and brought lots of new gamers into tabletop gaming and GW stores. Then it got cancelled, but stores still see kids starting the hobby inspired by the mags some friend gave them. That's why LOTR sold more and longer in Germany than in most other countries. It was something like the Space Hulk of this century here. Naturally, GW has no intention to do this again
I like the original kraken concept better... I might have been sold on this concept if they had done a better job of it, it looks to chimeric for my tastes.
And I think the Terror might be a reference to the creatures that Gandalf referenced fighting after he fell into the depths of middle earth with the balrog
Kroothawk wrote:Keep in mind that the names are my personal retranslations from German. Someone please post the original English names.
So the Guardian/Watcher is indeed the tentacle thing West of Moria. It has legs now because it can deepstrike and move on the whole battlefield, not just lakes.
BTW for all LOTR haters. In Germany, GW gave a licence to Agostini Publishing to do a LOTR magazine with one sprue per issue and some tidbits on rules, painting etc as content. Agostini made TV ads and professional marketing, being present at most newsagents. Was a huge hit and brought lots of new gamers into tabletop gaming and GW stores. Then it got cancelled, but stores still see kids starting the hobby inspired by the mags some friend gave them. That's why LOTR sold more and longer in Germany than in most other countries. It was something like the Space Hulk of this century here. Naturally, GW has no intention to do this again
We had the DeAgostini magazines in the UK too (with tv ads, etc.), they were really popular, and also nice and affordable since it was £4 for each issue which came with either a sprue of 12 models or a metal character.
scarletsquig wrote:
We had the DeAgostini magazines in the UK too (with tv ads, etc.), they were really popular, and also nice and affordable since it was £4 for each issue which came with either a sprue of 12 models or a metal character.
Aye, thats how I got into Lotr last time. Collected that mag to around issue 40ish I think.
scarletsquig wrote:We had the DeAgostini magazines in the UK too (with tv ads, etc.), they were really popular, and also nice and affordable since it was £4 for each issue which came with either a sprue of 12 models or a metal character.
Maybe GW thinks of rereleasing them for £20 per issue
I love the SBG but I feel bad for anyone who still buys white dwarf that all you are getting is LOTR. White Dwarf should never have just one gaming system in it.
None of it interests me, not even in the sense of admiring the models, most of which are very sub par. Please tell me this isn't the work of the Perrys, because if so, they're slipping.
In fact, this whole release is awarded my second of the year (after the VC Coven Throne/Mortis Engine). Of GWs 2012 releases so far, only the Black Knigts have been excellent.
EDIT - Just saw the Perry's name next to the minis
brettz123 wrote:I love the SBG but I feel bad for anyone who still buys white dwarf that all you are getting is LOTR. White Dwarf should never have just one gaming system in it.
So has anyone actually seen this issue of White Dwarf yet?
As I look through my copy I can see several articles for Warhammer and 40K as well as a 40 page 40K 25th anniversary section...
Also the next issue of WD is released on 25/2. The same date as the 25th anniversary celebration...
Kroothawk wrote:Keep in mind that the names are my personal retranslations from German. Someone please post the original English names.
So the Guardian/Watcher is indeed the tentacle thing West of Moria. It has legs now because it can deepstrike and move on the whole battlefield, not just lakes.
Cerebrium wrote:Yay, an entire month dedicated to the worst system GW have ever made.
It was bound to happen anyway, with the Hobbit coming soon.
Oh it's so much better than 40K. Never played Fantasy so can't really say about that. So if LotR is the worst system, I would hate to see what you really think of 40K.
chaos0xomega wrote:The idea of a limited edition plastic kit, especially of the size of a Thunderhawk, is pretty nonsensical to begin with. Thats an investments of ten to hundreds of thousands of dollars, they aren't going to take the time to manufacture something that expensive if they cant maximize their returned profits. A steel mold has a lifetime of tens of thousands of pulls, if not more, curtailing production after 1-3k would be a mistake, especially since GW knows it could sell TONS of the kit....
While this would be true ( I work in injection molding, am well aware of mold costs) GW has done it before with Space Hulk and Dread Fleet. My guess would be those games, along with any "limited" flyer, would be set for re-release at a later date. I would not be shocked at all to see the Plastic minis from both of those games marketed as something else later on. IE: a BA Terminator Veteran Squad. The same would likely be true for a Thunderhawk or other large flyer. Limited this year...full availability a year or two later, due to "popular demand".
As a fun note...we have a mold at work that pulls production runs of up to 500,000 parts per order, repeated every few months.
Johnny-Crass wrote:I still do not get why a goblin king has a chaos dwarf hat
I am guessing Goblin King of Moria so likely that he is a rerelease of an old character to be more Epic. That and the goblins looted a lot of dead Dwarves in the long Moria war.
Cerebrium wrote:Yay, an entire month dedicated to the worst system GW have ever made.
It was bound to happen anyway, with the Hobbit coming soon.
Oh it's so much better than 40K. Never played Fantasy so can't really say about that. So if LotR is the worst system, I would hate to see what you really think of 40K.
QFT my friend.
The best parts of 8th edition fantasy were all pioneered by WotR, and the SBG rules are so much cleaner than the current mess that's 40k.
Out of both SBG/WotR rules system, the one and only complain I have is how combat victory is determined in SBG. It is simply skewed far too much towards whoever has the higer fight value and thus leaves lower Fight Value armies relying too much on luck.
I'd like to see a system similar to WotR come into play - whereby the higher FV gives you bonus dice, but let both sides have an equal chance to try and strike blows.
Was going to restart LotR before I even knew about the updates, but sadly when I went online to see what the prices where, WOW, they went up for so little now.
Looks like GW is pricing me out of "their" hobby now. Such a shame, I wanted to make a huge goblin army. :(
Here official names and US/Canadian prices for the LoTR Products released 4th February:
LoTR: Realms of Men (English) 48pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
LoTR: The Free Peoples (English) 64pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
LoTR: Mordor (English) 48pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
LoTR: The Fallen Realms (English) 48pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
LoTR: Moria & Angmar (English) 48pp Army Book $24.75 $29.75
Easterling Kataphrakts 6 Fig Plastic Box $36.25 $43.50
Amdûr, Lord of Blades 2 Fig Finecast Clampack $33.00 $39.50
Easterling Dragon Knight 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $23.00 $27.50
Easterling War Priest 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $23.00 $27.50
Lord of The Rings Casualties 8 Fig Finecast Box $29.75 $35.75
The Watcher in the Water 1 Fig Finecast Box $71.00 $85.25
Warg Marauder 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $24.75 $29.75
Dweller in the Dark 1 Fig Finecast Box $41.25 $49.50
Grôblog, King of the Deeps 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $15.25 $19.00
Ashrâk, the Spiderkin 1 Fig Finecast Clampack $13.25 $16.00
Great Beast of Gorgoroth 1 Fig Finecast Box $71.00 $85.25
Gondor Commanders 4 Fig Finecast Box $39.50 $47.50
Rohan Commanders 4 Fig Finecast Box $39.50 $47.50
Galadhrim Elf Commanders 4 Fig Finecast Box $39.50 $47.50
Dwarf Commanders 4 Fig Finecast Box $39.50 $47.50
Here some more pics posted by Dezartfox over at One Ring:
Also soothing words by Harry:
There will be no impact on 40K or Warhammer Fantasy releases.
They have taken on additional sculptors and Games developers to ensure they have the capacity to do this without affecting the schedule for either 40K or fantasy.
blood reaper wrote:It seems GW hasn't put up the Advanced orders for the LOTR range yet, which is annoying. Hopefully it will happen soon.
On recent form, it will be midnight tonight
Hopefully, I want that Fallen Realms book badly.
You and me both!
Here's hoping that my Easterlings are finally FV4 like they shoud be! Kinda sad that Sauron's most dedicated & fanatically loyal followers who are described as a militaristic powerhouse are no better than the welps that defend the White City... I mean, in the books, the Easterlings were insane and went toe-to-toe with the swan knights! Hell, Aragorn spent years after the Dark Lord's demise kicking the crap outa the Easterlings who still put up a decent fight despite being hopelessly out-numbered.
I want my Easterlings to be bad@$$! Not glorified and ultra expensive Gondorians with all the hitting power of a wet noodle. The current rules for Easterlings suck - 3pts more than a Gondorian for what, treating your spear as pike and getting cavalry without lances?! That's helpfull, except when you can't roll a 4+ to save your life and auto-lose every fight to FV4 armies.
February's White Dwarf is released today and it is chock full of win and awesome! Come in today to find out what new Lord of the Rings miniatures and rules are inside, as well as the Warhammer 40,000 25th anniversary special which includes an amazing battle report and a very impressive limited edition miniature.
dunno what he means by the limited edition model, I *THINK* he's talking about the Games Day miniature, though I can't be sure as that was fetured in the previous WD... so maybe there a miniature specially for the 25th anniversary besides the Games Day model ???
Lol there have been more games of Necromunda in my FLGS than LotR. There have been like literally 4 games in the past year....where as there have been like 30 Necromunda games this year alone. If the White Dwarf has no 40k in it, I am going to have some choice words with GW along the lines of...
Matt.Kingsley wrote:dunno what he means by the limited edition model, I *THINK* he's talking about the Games Day miniature, though I can't be sure as that was fetured in the previous WD... so maybe there a miniature specially for the 25th anniversary besides the Games Day model ???
I know, Easterlings are depicted as being utterly fearless and able to fight to the death, but they are only courage 3 and fight 3. It also seems GW hasn't even put up the preorders ether.
Well I don't care what the complainers are saying! GW has put out some stunning models for this game system, the new mordor beast in particular. A little too much finecast for my liking but I can live with that!
While I do not own much lotr myself, I am happy for the players who can get some additions to their armies!
Interestingly, those army books are NOT for LotR or WotR; they're for LotR:SBG. That's a relief, because I don't bother with SBG. LotR is great for skirmish-level scenario-based games, and WotR is great for large battles. SBG is the clunky middle ground that does neither very well.I'm greatly excited by the plastic Kataphracts. I also like the new models in the command groups, and the new goblin heroes. Pity they are going to be Finecast, I don't see myself ever buying them at those silly prices.
fellblade wrote:Interestingly, those army books are NOT for LotR or WotR; they're for LotR:SBG. That's a relief, because I don't bother with SBG. LotR is great for skirmish-level scenario-based games, and WotR is great for large battles. SBG is the clunky middle ground that does neither very well.
Confused. There are only 2 games; Lotr:SBG or War of the Ring.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Is the Dweller something GW made up, or is it a Tolkien thing?
It is a Tolkien thing. It resides in the lake outside the Doors of Durin. Unfortunately, GW has given it legs for some strange, possibly slowed, reason.
Can someone tell me why they cant do half of these things in plastic? Is it purely for money reasons? I have no problem what so ever with the detail on any of my plastic models.
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I'm flummoxed by this release. GIven GW recent very high quality releases for WHFB/40K and previous models in the LOTR/WOTR line these are sub standard. (sorry Perrys)
Most look like they were round 1 (or 2) rejects. Compared to the cave drake last year or other "non movie" additions something about these sculpts is very underwhelming. Personally I like the WOTR system.... I'm always in favor of new models. However, if you want to re-release the game and put it in front of folks you need to do have something better in the hopper than these.
LOTR is more skirmish based so you can get away with fewer models, but if the price point is sooooo high, I don't see how this can be an introductory system for GW or low investment option for current 40K/WHFB.
It is sad to see that they are not releasing the figures that were never produced for the current books, such as the dark hearted trees, beorings, and elven seige bow. People complain about nid stuff being delayed. This LOTR stuff has been waiting for many years. GWs support for its games is quite poor. They have no excuse really. They produce all sorts of other stuff like Dredfleet and towers of skulls but do not produce models for all of the units in their games.
Flashman wrote:Anyone else think that the army books are suspiciously cheap (£15) for a GW product? Guessing they're 30-40 pages max.
The original books did cost £12 and had the same amount of pages and content, however I'm guessing these books will only be army lists and rules and not really contain any of the modelling and painting sections of the older books, also the rules for the new warriors and heroes maybe larger in both background and stat lines (the older editions have a tiny paragraph of a description for most warrior entries) and I'm imagining more army wide special rules and such. Also, I'm surprised that Isengard is in the Fallen Realm wing of books, I imagined it to be with Mordor but maybe the Mordor army list deserves its own personal rule set having such a large force, also I'm quite annoyed Morgul Knights aren't part of the Fallen Realms army list.
Noisy_Marine wrote:I must say I'm sick of everything being made in finecast. Was just looking at the Nid section and most of that is finecast it seems.
I predict it is only a matter of time before they finecast tactical squads and ork boyz.
Doupt it. they are plastice because so many people buy them. So little people buy the finecast models.
It seems to me that when GW makes an LoTR miniature based on someone else's designs, they nearly always bat it out of the park or at least do a passing job at it. Whenever they make their own designs it just turns out silly.
For example, the Great Gorgoth beast looks wonderfully naturalistic, the Rohan and Dwarf commands are great, and while the Guardian of the lake doesn't exactly light a fire for me it looks pretty well-designed.
The horror from the Deep OTOH doesn't even look like it belongs in this line. Many of the Easterling Cataphracts look awkwardly posed and the dragon knight may have the silliest hat in the line. Groblog gives him a run for his money though and makes up for his slightly less impractical hat with a stupid pose. Ashrak Spiderblood is just a mess and together with the Galadrim Stormcaller breaks the cardinal sin of plopping non-Istari wizards into the game just to make Tolkein's world more like D&D. The Stormcaller, while competently executed, also looks like he belongs in a completely different line in a completely different game.
About damn time we get some more LOTR, one year without support is a bit stiff, time to pick up some plastic cataphracts . And seriously: can people just get over themselves and GET that LOTR IS the third Core Game? GW has been saying it since it came out and one thinks that after a -Decade- people should recant their 'nah it's a specialist game' point of view. So you got no Tervigons this month either? well Boo F**king Hoo; us Eldar-players still has an early 4th ed codex, have mostly a metal/finecast model range and yeah, My Warp Spiders and basic vehicle plastics are from the Second Edition. You see me whining about that? No, I'm doing fine with my Eldar. And you are not Entitled to model releases, to persist in the delusion that you are is just childish.
Secondly: All GW Produced models from the LOTR IP strictly adhere to the Concept Art produced for the LOTR-Movies or are directly approved by Tolkien Enterprises. GW Does Not 'muck about' and 'give it legs' because if they do they will loose their licence in a heartbeat, and they know it. It's too much money at stake for that kind of shenannigans.
Commander Cain wrote:Well I don't care what the complainers are saying! GW has put out some stunning models for this game system, the new mordor beast in particular. A little too much finecast for my liking but I can live with that!
While I do not own much lotr myself, I am happy for the players who can get some additions to their armies!
The complainiers are people who need "watered down", "steamlined" "dumed down" rules to play WITH LOTS OF DICE to Roll in order to have fun, is what I gather from reading alot and espically complaints of the "leaked" 6th edition 40K rules. I don't like calling people names but with all the whining and complaining because of LotR and it's not 40K just makes me feel sad for the people who think they are so great because they play with plastic toy soldiers in a very simplified game.
FFS, I got Amdur: Lord of blades when he came out, as did many other people (i'm guessing) now we have to pay £20.50 just to get him on horse, and get another on foot. But of course if I mention it when I buy it I bet the response will be "But It's FINECAST, it's so much better than metal..." which just annoys me even more
however it is balanced by the lovely elven command (I missed the standard and captain when they were metal) and the other easterling stuff (I like the bunny helmets, ok, I know it's wierd)
fellblade wrote:Interestingly, those army books are NOT for LotR or WotR; they're for LotR:SBG. That's a relief, because I don't bother with SBG. LotR is great for skirmish-level scenario-based games, and WotR is great for large battles. SBG is the clunky middle ground that does neither very well.
What is this LotR you speak of, I only know of LotR:SBG or WotR
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can the orc with spear on the great beast support a troll in combat? I thought it was done with base size, and if it's true, I'll start playing LOTR.
Someone pointed out earlier that the Casualties set is not advertised as being made from Failcast.
GW just wouldn't miss a trick like this surely? No Failcast logo, nothing. just this...
"This pack contains eight casualties for The Lord of the Rings. These models are finely detailed resin cast miniatures. They are supplied as eight separate..."
supremeoverlordVECT wrote:problably gonna buy some of the stuff soon, never bought finecast before.....anything i should know?
Not really the place for yet another finecast discussion, but to sum up... positives - light and quite easy to clean / negatives - there are a noticeable number of miscasts kicking about, plus it's tricky to straighten bent parts (swords, staffs etc) so that they stay unbent.
supremeoverlordVECT wrote:problably gonna buy some of the stuff soon, never bought finecast before.....anything i should know?
Not really the place for yet another finecast discussion, but to sum up... positives - light and quite easy to clean / negatives - there are a noticeable number of miscasts kicking about, plus it's tricky to straighten bent parts (swords, staffs etc) so that they stay unbent.
Solution: Only buy your finecast from the GW on-line store as all those miscasts will be replaced and you'll end up with some spare models for your troubles!
Hell, I ordered 1 pack of the Blasted Standards for my daemon army. 1st pack I got sent, I could see daylight through the hanging parchment on the one banner and it had a huge gap running the length of it. Replacement pack, same problem on the same banner. (btw - it's the one w/big horns similar to the tzeentch icon from the CSM squad box)
Final thoughts: So I figure the first banner is likely the slightly better copy of the two and I'll bite the bullet and green stuff it to fill in those awful gaps. The upside? The replacement pack had 2 of the 'burning bird skull' banner in it so for $23 bucks, I now have a total of 6 usable banners, 3 of which are the one I like the most!
Look at it this way; if you buy say an easterling command set, (or any of them really), odds are pretty good you'll get at least a couple extra characters if not a second complete set by the time you have enough replacement packs to give you clean models!
Hope this isn't threadmancy and all but I thought it was worth mentioning.
I have bought a goblin command box and I got an extra shaman. WIN!
My mate bought two elven command boxes and guess what? He got two extra stormcallers! DOUBLE WIN!!
Might be worth the investment if you were on the edge about a decision seen as you never get free mini's from geedub. Don't take this as law though, it might not happen for you, we may have just got stupidly lucky
On another level I think this release is great and some of the new rules and character I like a lot (except the dweller, it's the worse model I have ever had the misfortune to see.....). The books are nicely laid out and easy to navigate and missions ain't too bad neither