primalexile wrote:
Posted the Defence line I gotta run.

Of course, you could always stick your fingers in your ear and hope for the best for your 10+ Flier army. Lol.

azazel the cat wrote:

primalexile wrote:Missle Launchers with Flakk missle have 48" S7 AP4 Heavy 1, Skyfire

Heh, remember the good ol' days when we all thought that Long Fangs were only about 5-10 points undercosted?

Well, GW has fixed that, and they are not about 10-20 points undercosted. And you can take six squads at 2k.

Therion wrote:

Of course, you could always stick your fingers in your ear and hope for the best for your 10+ Flier army. Lol.

If the screenshot says 'some can upgrade to have flakk missiles' I think it's not far-fetched to assume the flakk missiles won't be standard issue to everyone for free. Besides, it's not like those missiles do absolutely anything to deter anyone from building an army of flyers. If anything this new information about fortifications made it only better. Units of Necron Warriors now take cover behind indestructible Aegis Defence Lines while a couple of the ETs use the satellite dish to phone home. Next turn the UFOs bring the rain.

Therion wrote:
If the screenshot says 'some can upgrade to have flakk missiles' I think it's not far-fetched to assume the flakk missiles won't be standard issue to everyone for free. Besides, it's not like those missiles do absolutely anything to deter anyone from building an army of flyers. If anything this new information about fortifications made it only better. Units of Necron Warriors now take cover behind indestructible Aegis Defence Lines while a couple of the ETs use the satellite dish to phone home. Next turn the UFOs bring the rain.

Mohoc wrote:If Hydras get Skyfire, they will still be 72'' range with no jinks save due to auto targeting. If they get interceptor as well, they will be broken.

My real concern related to the skyfire aegis quad guns is if hydras somehow become greatly inferior than 5e vs ground units. That would be a real kick in the nuts.

Ovion wrote:Not going to post other images or anything, and this is a 1 paragraph snip I'm not even 100% is ok to post xD
Confirming no assault after coming in from reserves.

Spoiler:

Reserves are also not usable default in every mission type (things like WWP will still allow reserves though.)

Therion wrote:

primalexile wrote:
Posted the Defence line I gotta run.

Cheers.

Of course, you could always stick your fingers in your ear and hope for the best for your 10+ Flier army. Lol.

If the screenshot says 'some can upgrade to have flakk missiles' I think it's not far-fetched to assume the flakk missiles won't be standard issue to everyone for free. Besides, it's not like those missiles do absolutely anything to deter anyone from building an army of flyers. If anything this new information about fortifications made it only better. Units of Necron Warriors now take cover behind indestructible Aegis Defence Lines while a couple of the ETs use the satellite dish to phone home. Next turn the UFOs bring the rain.

Drunkspleen wrote:I find it interesting that in removing No Retreat wounds they have rendered ATSKNF models immune to sweeping advance with no penalty suffered for being caught.

Therion wrote:so Rattman & guys, what does the Interceptor special rule specifically say?

Drunkspleen wrote:

Therion wrote:so Rattman & guys, what does the Interceptor special rule specifically say?

At the end of the enemy movement phase a weapon with the interceptor special rule can be fired at any one unit that has arrived from reserve within it's range and line of sight.

also, it's done in lieu of firing that gun in the following shooting phase.

Drunkspleen wrote:

Therion wrote:so Rattman & guys, what does the Interceptor special rule specifically say?

At the end of the enemy movement phase a weapon with the interceptor special rule can be fired at any one unit that has arrived from reserve within it's range and line of sight.

also, it's done in lieu of firing that gun in the following shooting phase.

Drunkspleen wrote:

Therion wrote:so Rattman & guys, what does the Interceptor special rule specifically say?

At the end of the enemy movement phase a weapon with the interceptor special rule can be fired at any one unit that has arrived from reserve within it's range and line of sight.

also, it's done in lieu of firing that gun in the following shooting phase.

Eldar Craft wrote:Like as a damage table result? That actually seems more realistic to me.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:Saw something about getting armour saves against Dangerous Terrain now. Really not pleased about that.

Drunkspleen wrote:Just noticed, jump infantry can only use their jump packs in ONE OF the movement or assault phases.

edit: to clarify, doing so in the move phase gives them a 12 inch move that ignores terrain (start or end in is a dangerous terrain test), doing so in the assault phase gives them the charge range re-roll and Hammer of Wrath, as well as moving over terrain(start or end in is a dangerous terrain test)

Therion wrote:If anything this new information about fortifications made it only better. Units of Necron Warriors now take cover behind indestructible Aegis Defence Lines while a couple of the ETs use the satellite dish to phone home. Next turn the UFOs bring the rain.

RiTides wrote:

Therion wrote:If anything this new information about fortifications made it only better. Units of Necron Warriors now take cover behind indestructible Aegis Defence Lines while a couple of the ETs use the satellite dish to phone home. Next turn the UFOs bring the rain.

Are the Defence Lines truly indestructible rule-wise, or are you just using that as an expression?

Therion wrote:That's big, but it makes sense in a lot of ways since jump infantry seemed to be gaining a lot compared to everyone else. Hammer of Wrath is the single I10 autohit per model at normal strength? Does it benefit from special rules like rending or ignoring armour saves?

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:So... I'm looking at the leaked photos, and I am noticing that there does not appear to be any mention of running stopping assaulting. I know that we don't have the whole picture, but am I just wish-listing? Or could there be new life for my Carnifex's?

going to have to see if there is a way to assault occupants in a transport now.

Drunkspleen wrote:Just noticed, jump infantry can only use their jump packs in ONE OF the movement or assault phases.

edit: to clarify, doing so in the move phase gives them a 12 inch move that ignores terrain (start or end in is a dangerous terrain test), doing so in the assault phase gives them the charge range re-roll and Hammer of Wrath, as well as moving over terrain(start or end in is a dangerous terrain test)

Therion wrote:

going to have to see if there is a way to assault occupants in a transport now.

That might be related to the chariot vehicle type.

Altruizine wrote:

Davylove21 wrote:From B&C, apologies if covered, haven't seen it

'I just found a new USR called It will not die;

At the end of each friendly turn, roll a D6 for each model with this special rule that has less than its starting number of Wounds or Hull Points, but has not been removed as a casualty or destroyed. On a roll of 5+, that model regains a Wound or Hull Point.'

Oooh, cool.

I wonder if this could possibly overwrite Regeneration in the Tyranid codex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:Saw something about getting armour saves against Dangerous Terrain now. Really not pleased about that.

You might find yourself alone here. I’ve never liked the idea that tripping over a tree branch would kill something as big as a Terminator or even a Marine, and the idea that it ignored whatever type of armour they were in was just silly.

elrabin wrote:In the movement rules, it states you can declare which models in a unit are moving....interesting. So it would seem that bolter tac marines can move around the dude with a Missile Launcher, who is then free to fire it at full BS.

elrabin wrote:In the movement rules, it states you can declare which models in a unit are moving....interesting. So it would seem that bolter tac marines can move around the dude with a Missile Launcher, who is then free to fire it at full BS.

rattman wrote:

Therion wrote:
If the screenshot says 'some can upgrade to have flakk missiles' I think it's not far-fetched to assume the flakk missiles won't be standard issue to everyone for free. Besides, it's not like those missiles do absolutely anything to deter anyone from building an army of flyers. If anything this new information about fortifications made it only better. Units of Necron Warriors now take cover behind indestructible Aegis Defence Lines while a couple of the ETs use the satellite dish to phone home. Next turn the UFOs bring the rain.

eldar missiles launchers have thier own stat line and do not have FLAKK as an option unlike the generic "missile launcher"

Are the Defence Lines truly indestructible rule-wise, or are you just using that as an expression?

also, disappointingly, MCs don't seem to be AP2 normally, only when they do their smash attacks

Drunkspleen wrote:

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:So... I'm looking at the leaked photos, and I am noticing that there does not appear to be any mention of running stopping assaulting. I know that we don't have the whole picture, but am I just wish-listing? Or could there be new life for my Carnifex's?

Units that ran cannot charge, it's at the start of the assault rules.

elrabin wrote:In the movement rules, it states you can declare which models in a unit are moving....interesting. So it would seem that bolter tac marines can move around the dude with a Missile Launcher, who is then free to fire it at full BS.

so, disappointingly, MCs don't seem to be AP2 normally, only when they do their smash attacks

A Town Called Malus wrote:And just to make absolutely, 100% sure, Fleet doesn't affect that? It is only the charge distance re-roll?

rattman wrote:

so, disappointingly, MCs don't seem to be AP2 normally, only when they do their smash attacks

Smash makes you AP2

H.B.M.C. wrote:

elrabin wrote:In the movement rules, it states you can declare which models in a unit are moving....interesting. So it would seem that bolter tac marines can move around the dude with a Missile Launcher, who is then free to fire it at full BS.

As much as I'd welcome that change, I wouldn't count on it.

rattman wrote:

so, disappointingly, MCs don't seem to be AP2 normally, only when they do their smash attacks

Smash makes you AP2

**edit** smash is a special rule giving ap2. if you have smash you can make a smash attack that halves your attacks but doubles your str

Drunkspleen wrote:
This is what I was trying to say, poor choice of words I guess, normally MC's won't have special AP, when smashing, their AP drops to 2.

Fleet makes no mention of being able to assault after running

Drunkspleen wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:And just to make absolutely, 100% sure, Fleet doesn't affect that? It is only the charge distance re-roll?

Correct, Fleet makes no mention of being able to assault after running, on the plus side, Fleet lets you re-roll either one, or both of the dice when charging, so it's a really nice rule there.

rattman wrote:all monstorous creatures get smash

I will type it out

"All close combat attacks, except hammer of wrath, of a model with rule are resolved at ap2"

smash attach halfs the attacks, doubles the strength and get a reroll on rolls to penetrate

well, that sucks. wraiths already ignore terrain, so they were only getting half of the move phase benefit to begin with. bah, i say!

rattman wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

elrabin wrote:In the movement rules, it states you can declare which models in a unit are moving....interesting. So it would seem that bolter tac marines can move around the dude with a Missile Launcher, who is then free to fire it at full BS.

As much as I'd welcome that change, I wouldn't count on it.

OMG just read it hes correct

rattman wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:
This is what I was trying to say, poor choice of words I guess, normally MC's won't have special AP, when smashing, their AP drops to 2.

all monstorous creatures get smash

I will type it out

"All close combat attacks, except hammer of wrath, of a model with rule are resolved at ap2"

smash attach halfs the attacks, doubles the strength and get a reroll on rolls to penetrate

H.B.M.C. wrote:

rattman wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

elrabin wrote:In the movement rules, it states you can declare which models in a unit are moving....interesting. So it would seem that bolter tac marines can move around the dude with a Missile Launcher, who is then free to fire it at full BS.

As much as I'd welcome that change, I wouldn't count on it.

OMG just read it hes correct

Colour me very surprised.

quilava1 wrote:makes sense
hey you men, scootch up to gain rapid fire range.
hey can I shoot my missile now?
NO, YOU MUST STAND THERE YELLING MORAL SUPPORT!!!!
go team go...

Drunkspleen wrote:
Now instead of being contingent on a test being taken it just happens "if at least one model in the charging unit moved through difficult terrain as part of its charge move"

Ryan_A wrote:@RATTMAN:
1. Can Hull Points be speant to negate a roll on the damage table after your enemy rolls it?no
2. Can Vehicles such as the Land Raider regenerate Hull Points?no
3. Are Hull Points speant from just glances or from glancing hits and penatrating hits?both
4. What else is there to know about Hull Points?

Thanks Rattman.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:I must say it does make heavy weapons a bit more versitle, even with them being able to move and shoot.

I like the idea of moving back to stay out of Assault ranges now and still fire that heavy weapon.

Kinda makes taking a full 10 man dev squad more useful in a way too.

rattman wrote:

Ryan_A wrote:@RATTMAN:
1. Can Hull Points be speant to negate a roll on the damage table after your enemy rolls it?no
2. Can Vehicles such as the Land Raider regenerate Hull Points?no
3. Are Hull Points speant from just glances or from glancing hits and penatrating hits?both
4. What else is there to know about Hull Points?

Thanks Rattman.

TheRedDevil wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:
Now instead of being contingent on a test being taken it just happens "if at least one model in the charging unit moved through difficult terrain as part of its charge move"

This is how it currently is, it didn't change at all. Honestly, half the posts in here are people freaking out over poorly paraphrased versions of the rules, rather than the actual rules themselves.

Anpu-adom wrote:Anyone have a clue if they are changing how swarms work? In particular, I'm interested if there have been any changes in how 'vulnerable to blasts' and 'instant death' work together.

Thanks.

Ryan_A wrote:@Rattman, is there a new rule called, "It will not die!"?

Oh, and do glancing hits roll on the damage table?

We appreciate what you're doing for the community, many thanks bro

Drunkspleen wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:Anyone have a clue if they are changing how swarms work? In particular, I'm interested if there have been any changes in how 'vulnerable to blasts' and 'instant death' work together.

Thanks.

There has been no significant change to the wording here, it's still going to be just as hotly debated.


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Ryan_A wrote:@Rattman, is there a new rule called, "It will not die!"?

Oh, and do glancing hits roll on the damage table?

We appreciate what you're doing for the community, many thanks bro

There is, it lets the model regenerate a wound or hull point on a 5+ at the end of the owning player's turn.

Glancing hits only remove Hull Points, no damage table roll.

Ryan_A wrote:@Rattman, is there a new rule called, "It will not die!"?

Oh, and do glancing hits roll on the damage table?

We appreciate what you're doing for the community, many thanks bro

but Rattman said we can't regenerate HPs.

Drunkspleen wrote:

TheRedDevil wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:
Now instead of being contingent on a test being taken it just happens "if at least one model in the charging unit moved through difficult terrain as part of its charge move"

This is how it currently is, it didn't change at all. Honestly, half the posts in here are people freaking out over poorly paraphrased versions of the rules, rather than the actual rules themselves.

No, it really isn't.

5th edition - "if an assaulting unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during their assault move, all of its models have their Initiative value lowered to 1 when attacking, regardless of other Initiative modifiers."

6th edition - "if at least one model in the charging unit moved through difficult terrain as part of its charge move, all of the unit's models must attack at Initiative step 1, regardless of other Initiative modifiers.

You still want to tell me these are just poorly paraphrased misunderstandings when you have both of them verbatim in front of you, it's a change.

Therion wrote:

but Rattman said we can't regenerate HPs.

You asked him if Land Raiders can regenerate HP. I don't think anyone here has any idea which vehicles/creatures get that rule.

TheRedDevil wrote: 5th edition - Assaulting through cover- "If...any model in an assaulting unit will have to go through diificult or dangerous terrain as part of its assault move, the unit must take the relevant terrain test before moving."
This combined with the above quote from 5th means, as far determining whether a unit moves is moving through cover and suffering an initiative penalty, that nothing has changed.

A rewording that is mechanically the same is not a change.

schadenfreude wrote:Any word on the rumors that 5th ed units like tech marines can repair d3 hull points instead of fixing a weapon destroyed / immobilized?

Drunkspleen wrote:

TheRedDevil wrote: 5th edition - Assaulting through cover- "If...any model in an assaulting unit will have to go through diificult or dangerous terrain as part of its assault move, the unit must take the relevant terrain test before moving."
This combined with the above quote from 5th means, as far determining whether a unit moves is moving through cover and suffering an initiative penalty, that nothing has changed.

A rewording that is mechanically the same is not a change.

It's a change because some units can ignore the terrain tests they would otherwise be forced to take, for instance, under 5th edition Necron Wraiths would not have suffered the Initiative reduction for assaulting into cover as they "are never slowed by difficult terrain" they are never required to take the difficult terrain test and thus their Initiative is unmodified. In 6th edition, bad luck, they still moved through it, even if they weren't slowed, so they suffer the Initiative penalty.

Drunkspleen wrote:

TheRedDevil wrote: 5th edition - Assaulting through cover- "If...any model in an assaulting unit will have to go through diificult or dangerous terrain as part of its assault move, the unit must take the relevant terrain test before moving."
This combined with the above quote from 5th means, as far determining whether a unit moves is moving through cover and suffering an initiative penalty, that nothing has changed.

A rewording that is mechanically the same is not a change.

It's a change because some units can ignore the terrain tests they would otherwise be forced to take, for instance, under 5th edition Necron Wraiths would not have suffered the Initiative reduction for assaulting into cover as they "are never slowed by difficult terrain" they are never required to take the difficult terrain test and thus their Initiative is unmodified. In 6th edition, bad luck, they still moved through it, even if they weren't slowed, so they suffer the Initiative penalty.

Drunkspleen wrote:I find it interesting that in removing No Retreat wounds they have rendered ATSKNF models immune to sweeping advance with no penalty suffered for being caught.

tetrisphreak wrote:Excellent. What if they use their jump pack move to assault?

schadenfreude wrote:Any word on the rumors that 5th ed units like tech marines can repair d3 hull points instead of fixing a weapon destroyed / immobilized?

Drunkspleen wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:Excellent. What if they use their jump pack move to assault?

No difference, they still move into terrain and still assault at Initiative 1.

Painnen wrote:1) What does Night Vision do now?

A unit that contains at least one model with this special rule ignores the effects of Night Fighting

2) Challenges, can they be declined, how are they resolved, who can issue them?

spaceXjam wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:Any word on the rumors that 5th ed units like tech marines can repair d3 hull points instead of fixing a weapon destroyed / immobilized?

yes tech priests can repearl hull points. depending on how many servitors they have with them depends on how much they can heal

Mysticdog wrote:Hmmm... So are MC's are now easy to 1 hit kill with "Smash"? Run up, Double Strength 6 to 12, now causes instadeath on toughness 6, no save because of AP2? MC's generally tore each other apart already, this is going to be really harsh.

Mysticdog wrote:Hmmm... So are MC's are now easy to 1 hit kill with "Smash"? Run up, Double Strength 6 to 12, now causes instadeath on toughness 6, no save because of AP2? MC's generally tore each other apart already, this is going to be really harsh.

Drunkspleen wrote:

It's a change because some units can ignore the terrain tests they would otherwise be forced to take, for instance, under 5th edition Necron Wraiths would not have suffered the Initiative reduction for assaulting into cover as they "are never slowed by difficult terrain" they are never required to take the difficult terrain test and thus their Initiative is unmodified. In 6th edition, bad luck, they still moved through it, even if they weren't slowed, so they suffer the Initiative penalty.

Eldarain wrote:

Mysticdog wrote:Hmmm... So are MC's are now easy to 1 hit kill with "Smash"? Run up, Double Strength 6 to 12, now causes instadeath on toughness 6, no save because of AP2? MC's generally tore each other apart already, this is going to be really harsh.

Is it confirmed that strength isn't capped at 10?

insaniak wrote:It seems like quite a bit of this ruleset is just rolling back the clock to 2nd and 3rd edition.

triplare wrote:So...no charging into assault when arriving from reserves? Not even when walking in from your own table edge? Is that correct?

Fafnir wrote:

triplare wrote:So...no charging into assault when arriving from reserves? Not even when walking in from your own table edge? Is that correct?

Correct.

Painnen wrote:i don't understand the last part of the challenge rule. does the challenge replace the assault/combat? will the winner win combat by the difference in wounds lost? draw combat?,is it that both combatants don't count for the combat but everyone else gets to fight after your fight is resolved?

i like the sound of the "to the death" part. does it mean that you keep alternating attacks with the highest Initiative striking first until someone fails enough saves to die? or is it a standard round of combat that is seperate from the remaining combat? again, does it effect combat resolution etc.?

primalexile wrote:Challenges can be refused if you refuse your opponent gets to nominate one of your characters, that character can not strike blows for this turn.

I mentioned this earlier, but I'm not sure if anyone heeded my words, so I'll say it again lol
Go to frontlinegaming.org, press the play button to listen to Signals from the Frontline and after the 12 minute mark you'll hear 6th edition teases that make the game sound unbelieveably awesome, put GW in a really positive light and belays any fears 'Nid players have

Lichkitten wrote:With Overwatch how many shots do the defenders get to snap fire with. One shot or the compliment load of the gun being fired (eg big shootas 3, storm bolters 2, bolters rapid fire etc)?

Mysticdog wrote:

I mentioned this earlier, but I'm not sure if anyone heeded my words, so I'll say it again lol
Go to frontlinegaming.org, press the play button to listen to Signals from the Frontline and after the 12 minute mark you'll hear 6th edition teases that make the game sound unbelieveably awesome, put GW in a really positive light and belays any fears 'Nid players have

I'm not sure what you heard, but I heard just a couple guys going "Dude, this is going to be awesome!" "Dude, Awesome!" "We can't say why, but GW told us it would be" "GW says they love us!" "And listen to us!" "And it will be so Rad!" "They are going to change %#%$ every two months!" "There will be no meta, because no one will know what the #$^& is going on!" "I predict bugs will be awesome!" "Awesome!" "And Grey Knights will be everyone's bitches!" "Nobz Bikers will PWN Grey Knights!!! PEW PEW PEW!!!!"

Some of that was paraphrased.

Rapid Fire weapons are very common and usually come in the form of semi-automatic rifles. Their versatility means they can be fired effectively 'from the hip' when a squad is advancing, spraying shots into the enemy whenever they present themselves, or instead, used for aimed single shots against targets at greater distances.

A model armed with a Rapid Fire weapons can fire two shots at a target up to half the weapon's maximum range away. Alternatively, it can instead fire one shot at a target over half the weapon's range away, up to the weapon's maximum range.

If the shooting Rapid Fire weapons is found to be partially within half range of the target, the firing models within half range fire two shots, while those further away fire one.

Models that shoot with Rapid Fire weapons in the shooting phase cannot charge in the ensuing Assault Phase.

Mysticdog wrote:Some of that was paraphrased.

Dantalian wrote:So I just got back from the store with a copy of 6th here and I'm reading the Rapid Fire rules and it states:

Rapid Fire weapons are very common and usually come in the form of semi-automatic rifles. Their versatility means they can be fired effectively 'from the hip' when a squad is advancing, spraying shots into the enemy whenever they present themselves, or instead, used for aimed single shots against targets at greater distances.

A model armed with a Rapid Fire weapons can fire two shots at a target up to half the weapon's maximum range away. Alternatively, it can instead fire one shot at a target over half the weapon's range away, up to the weapon's maximum range.

If the shooting Rapid Fire weapons is found to be partially within half range of the target, the firing models within half range fire two shots, while those further away fire one.

Models that shoot with Rapid Fire weapons in the shooting phase cannot charge in the ensuing Assault Phase.

So unless I missed something, you can't move and shoot at max range with Rapid Fire weapons as people have been reporting.
Edit* Wait it doesn't list restrictions on movement, so I guess it is true.

Models armed with a rapid fire weapon can move and fire two shots at targets up to 12" away.

If the unit has not moved, models armed with Rapid Fire weapons may instead fire one shot at targets over 12" away, up to the weapons' maximum range

Dantalian wrote:Ok so 5th ed says

Models armed with a rapid fire weapon can move and fire two shots at targets up to 12" away.

If the unit has not moved, models armed with Rapid Fire weapons may instead fire one shot at targets over 12" away, up to the weapons' maximum range

So yah, 6th removes the movement restriction. Meaning the reports are indeed true.

Eldarain wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Ok so 5th ed says

Models armed with a rapid fire weapon can move and fire two shots at targets up to 12" away.

If the unit has not moved, models armed with Rapid Fire weapons may instead fire one shot at targets over 12" away, up to the weapons' maximum range

So yah, 6th removes the movement restriction. Meaning the reports are indeed true.

So the Tau Pulse rifle gets an extra 3" added to the 2 shot range.

Zathras wrote:

Eldarain wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Ok so 5th ed says

Models armed with a rapid fire weapon can move and fire two shots at targets up to 12" away.

If the unit has not moved, models armed with Rapid Fire weapons may instead fire one shot at targets over 12" away, up to the weapons' maximum range

So yah, 6th removes the movement restriction. Meaning the reports are indeed true.

So the Tau Pulse rifle gets an extra 3" added to the 2 shot range.

Which is what it shoud have been from the very start.

Ryan_A wrote:

rattman wrote:

Ryan_A wrote:@RATTMAN:
1. Can Hull Points be speant to negate a roll on the damage table after your enemy rolls it?no
2. Can Vehicles such as the Land Raider regenerate Hull Points?no
3. Are Hull Points speant from just glances or from glancing hits and penatrating hits?both
4. What else is there to know about Hull Points?

Thanks Rattman.

Thanks rattman, dang that sucks though for vehicles. I thought I heard that hull points would negate damage rolls and therfore we wouldn't get one shotted, thats a big bummer : (

But still, the possibility of new army lists being introduced in WD's like genestealer cults and squats, plus I believe they mentioned updates to I assume codices/main rules sounds pretty good

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Change every two months? NO! NO! NO!

megatrons2nd wrote:Yes, and the Kroot ox gets to rapid fire out to 24".


Bike movement questions:

They can turbo boost in the shooting phase,correct?
Jetbikes can turbo boost 24" correct?
Eldar Jetbikes get to Turbo boost how far?
How does this effect the Dark Eldar ones that are supposed to be even faster than their Craftworld cousins?

Spartan089 wrote:Again, unless they faq extra armor upgrade to negate glancing hits, or give us some type of upgrade to that extent, vehicles are just death traps. Now more than ever with Necron scarab spam proliferation and auto glancing gauss guns.

Mysticdog wrote:

But still, the possibility of new army lists being introduced in WD's like genestealer cults and squats, plus I believe they mentioned updates to I assume codices/main rules sounds pretty good

I can barely afford one army. They can add new stuff every week, but it won't do me a bit of good. I'd much rather have a bunch of people who have learned their armies as opponents than constantly seeing stuff neither of us have ever played before in every game (and you know with that release schedule, hasn't been playtested much at all). It would be great if they put that effort into getting everyone their 6th edition Codexes.

I was actually pretty positive about things until tonight... Some rules I didn't like, but all in all was content with the changes. Right now, I feel like they backed their SUV over my army. Which my puppy was carrying. I was even about the shootiest bug player around, I just used a unit of GS and ymgarls to keep the other players out of the corners/ off their table edge. My MC's rarely got into combat, but they were reliable vehicle killers when they did. Now, they will get just a couple of attacks that can reliably break vehicles, easy prey for the Dice Pixies.

I pity horde bug players, who spent fortunes on hormagaunts and GS. Or Bugzilla players. Unless there is an amazing Tyranid FAQ, they are really screwed.

Mysticdog wrote:

But still, the possibility of new army lists being introduced in WD's like genestealer cults and squats, plus I believe they mentioned updates to I assume codices/main rules sounds pretty good

I can barely afford one army. They can add new stuff every week, but it won't do me a bit of good. I'd much rather have a bunch of people who have learned their armies as opponents than constantly seeing stuff neither of us have ever played before in every game (and you know with that release schedule, hasn't been playtested much at all). It would be great if they put that effort into getting everyone their 6th edition Codexes.

I was actually pretty positive about things until tonight... Some rules I didn't like, but all in all was content with the changes. Right now, I feel like they backed their SUV over my army. Which my puppy was carrying. I was even about the shootiest bug player around, I just used a unit of GS and ymgarls to keep the other players out of the corners/ off their table edge. My MC's rarely got into combat, but they were reliable vehicle killers when they did. Now, they will get just a couple of attacks that can reliably break vehicles, easy prey for the Dice Pixies.

I pity horde bug players, who spent fortunes on hormagaunts and GS. Or Bugzilla players. Unless there is an amazing Tyranid FAQ, they are really screwed.

Lichkitten wrote:Wait those guys sounded as stoned as my aunt on payday. Well every two months seriously up until necrons they couldn't release an entire codex/warbook in two months. Now to sit back and see how long that lasts. I'll start a pool if anyone wants to play.

Formosa wrote:

Noir wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:Didn't someone already state that the rulebook says that the GK codex takes precedent.

That doesn't appear to be the case. The rulebook actually says that all unusual force weapons are AP3. The GK dæmonhammer also says it's a thunderhammer, implying that it's AP2, but clearly there's an inconsistency here. I suspect the FAQ will resolve this issue.

What inconsistency, thunderhammers are AP2, deamonhammer use the rules for thunderhammer and there own rules.

yeah seems simple enough to me, apply both rules if able is always better than ignore one in favor of the other where no consensus is achieved, so in my mind its both ap2 and 3, end result is the same, otherwise it leads to stuff like it cant shake vehicles.. because you know... its not actually a thunder hammer... is a type of hammer that uses the same rules... and that is a bit silly

xlEternitylx wrote:
Also, @ those with the rule book: did you get the book from a FLGS, or GW itself? I know mine is in at GW, I'm wondering if they're going to let me have it pre-Saturday...

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Change every two months? NO! NO! NO!

Matt.Kingsley wrote:I can't wait to see the beast rules.
They will be the decider on whether I keep taking scarabs for anti tank or just gauss spam them to destruction

Matt.Kingsley wrote:I can't wait to see the beast rules.
They will be the decider on whether I keep taking scarabs for anti tank or just gauss spam them to destruction

primalexile wrote:GW will not give it up early. I got mine from a friend.

primalexile wrote:If anyone has anymore questions i will attempt to answer them tomorrow. I have offered all my photos to the OP if he wants to put them on page 1.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:K, scarabs definately aren't dead, thanks both of you

Drunkspleen wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:I can't wait to see the beast rules.
They will be the decider on whether I keep taking scarabs for anti tank or just gauss spam them to destruction

Beasts move 12 inches, aren't slowed by difficult terrain, and have fleet and move through cover (which makes them auto-pass dangerous terrain).

They are the fastest assault unit in the game now.

xlEternitylx wrote:

primalexile wrote:GW will not give it up early. I got mine from a friend.

Well crackers. I don't think I'll even bother asking if they're going to be Nazis about it. Funnily enough, it's not as though much is a surprise anymore, so the whole reason behind delaying my having it is moot. But that's the big gee dubs for ya.

primalexile wrote:If anyone has anymore questions i will attempt to answer them tomorrow. I have offered all my photos to the OP if he wants to put them on page 1.

If I may, I'd like to ask: We know what all the (generic) psychic powers are, and that they are determined by rolling a D6 and matching the result with the chart. What I don't recall seeing is a summary/breakdown of how said powers are cast. Since I'm Eldar and curious about the powers I could get...

-Are there mentions of the ability to re-roll to determine which power you get on the chart? What about duplicate results?

-Can you cast the same power twice without restriction (read: Eldrad v. regular seer) ?

-Is the last power under telepathy (the one that causes a D6 effect to the unit) a Psychic Shooting attack?


Thanks!!

Vasarto wrote:I think GW made a MASSIVE MISTAKE!

So now I can take a Group of Grey Knight Paladins with Logan Grimnar and Ragnar Blackmane and give one of those models WS 5 from Ulrik?

WTF GW? YOU DO REALIZE HOW STUPID ADDING 30 BOYZ TO SM ARE DONT YA?


The combinations are limitless and endlessly broken! Now Mad Doc Grotsnik can lead a troop of like I dunno. SW or GK Terminators in a land raider into play and they now have feel no pain.

Or Throwing freaking Death Company with Nobz!

I think its gonna break the game on day 1 and it will never recover. I just hope that they balanced it first and this is not just some stupid way of making players buy more than one army bull crap and other box kits and spend MORE of ....wait.....but that could make more monies for our FLNGS......

xlEternitylx wrote:If I may, I'd like to ask: We know what all the (generic) psychic powers are, and that they are determined by rolling a D6 and matching the result with the chart. What I don't recall seeing is a summary/breakdown of how said powers are cast. Since I'm Eldar and curious about the powers I could get...

-Are there mentions of the ability to re-roll to determine which power you get on the chart? What about duplicate results?

-Can you cast the same power twice without restriction (read: Eldrad v. regular seer) ?

-Is the last power under telepathy (the one that causes a D6 effect to the unit) a Psychic Shooting attack?


Thanks!!

Vladsimpaler wrote:I'm planning on taking an Inquisitor and some Henchmen. The rules for Henchmen say that they don't take up an force organization slot, so does this mean that I can take the unit of Henchmen and then also another elites choice, like an Assassin?

Drunkspleen wrote:

You re-roll duplicates, there's no other built in way to re-roll yet, but it could be a future codex thing.

You can still only attempt any power once each turn by the default rules.

no, it is a Malediction type power, so it is done at the start of the movement phase and doesn't count as shooting, it can target units in combat, and lasts until the end of your opponents turn.

Note also that it is warp charge 2, so essentially counts as having used 2 psychic powers when you use it.

Noir wrote:

Vasarto wrote:I think GW made a MASSIVE MISTAKE!

So now I can take a Group of Grey Knight Paladins with Logan Grimnar and Ragnar Blackmane and give one of those models WS 5 from Ulrik?

WTF GW? YOU DO REALIZE HOW STUPID ADDING 30 BOYZ TO SM ARE DONT YA?


The combinations are limitless and endlessly broken! Now Mad Doc Grotsnik can lead a troop of like I dunno. SW or GK Terminators in a land raider into play and they now have feel no pain.

Or Throwing freaking Death Company with Nobz!

I think its gonna break the game on day 1 and it will never recover. I just hope that they balanced it first and this is not just some stupid way of making players buy more than one army bull crap and other box kits and spend MORE of ....wait.....but that could make more monies for our FLNGS......

You should read some before you post.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:I feel so happy with my TWC right now... I will have to dump my beloved wolf scouts, but at least this guys will stay kicking asses ^^

Hey, just got one more strange situation: Dark Eldar Mandrakes, the worst elite unit in the game is now completely useless

Painnen wrote:convert those Genestealers to ymgarls...dormant rule overrides the "no assault" rule of the BRB.

Marrak wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

Davylove21 wrote:From B&C, apologies if covered, haven't seen it

'I just found a new USR called It will not die;

At the end of each friendly turn, roll a D6 for each model with this special rule that has less than its starting number of Wounds or Hull Points, but has not been removed as a casualty or destroyed. On a roll of 5+, that model regains a Wound or Hull Point.'

Oooh, cool.

I wonder if this could possibly overwrite Regeneration in the Tyranid codex.

That would be a refreshing change to regen...

Vasarto wrote:

Noir wrote:

Vasarto wrote:I think GW made a MASSIVE MISTAKE!

So now I can take a Group of Grey Knight Paladins with Logan Grimnar and Ragnar Blackmane and give one of those models WS 5 from Ulrik?

WTF GW? YOU DO REALIZE HOW STUPID ADDING 30 BOYZ TO SM ARE DONT YA?


The combinations are limitless and endlessly broken! Now Mad Doc Grotsnik can lead a troop of like I dunno. SW or GK Terminators in a land raider into play and they now have feel no pain.

Or Throwing freaking Death Company with Nobz!

I think its gonna break the game on day 1 and it will never recover. I just hope that they balanced it first and this is not just some stupid way of making players buy more than one army bull crap and other box kits and spend MORE of ....wait.....but that could make more monies for our FLNGS......

You should read some before you post.

How can I read a book that has not come out yet?

Vasarto wrote:How can I read a book that has not come out yet?

Vasarto wrote:

Noir wrote:

Vasarto wrote:I think GW made a MASSIVE MISTAKE!

So now I can take a Group of Grey Knight Paladins with Logan Grimnar and Ragnar Blackmane and give one of those models WS 5 from Ulrik?

WTF GW? YOU DO REALIZE HOW STUPID ADDING 30 BOYZ TO SM ARE DONT YA?


The combinations are limitless and endlessly broken! Now Mad Doc Grotsnik can lead a troop of like I dunno. SW or GK Terminators in a land raider into play and they now have feel no pain.

Or Throwing freaking Death Company with Nobz!

I think its gonna break the game on day 1 and it will never recover. I just hope that they balanced it first and this is not just some stupid way of making players buy more than one army bull crap and other box kits and spend MORE of ....wait.....but that could make more monies for our FLNGS......

You should read some before you post.

How can I read a book that has not come out yet?

Vasarto wrote:How can I read a book that has not come out yet?

Anpu42 wrote:My bigerst change for the new wound alication is i am going to be using larger dice for Look out save [big clumsy hands, but i can fit a half dozen in my hand and roll the big dice one at time]


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Pyriel- wrote:

Somebody is grumpy this morning.

Damn straight I´m grumpy this morning.
We thought boat and razorspam and minmaxed squads were boring, lame and killing the fun of this game.
I had hopes that 6ed would make it a bit more fun with less gakking spam and more actual foot troops/minis on the table.

Then I saw an example list made by "Therion" of with what we know of 6ed the new spam cheese will look like:

HQ
Orikan the Diviner: 165p
Overlord, Warscythe, MSS: 115p
Harbinger of Destruction, Solar Pulse: 55p
TROOPS
5 Warriors, Night Scythe: 165p
5 Warriors, Night Scythe: 165p
5 Warriors, Night Scythe: 165p
5 Warriors, Night Scythe: 165p
5 Warriors, Night Scythe: 165p
5 Warriors, Night Scythe: 165p
HEAVY SUPPORT
Doom Scythe: 175p
Doom Scythe: 175p
Doom Scythe: 175p

Total Points: 1850

Nice, GW, very nice. Thanks for killing the hobby by replacing a line of razorbacks with ten times worse crap. At least the razors didnt need a 6 to be hit with.
This whole desperately-need-to-sell-new-molds over actual balance and fun is going to far.

Unless something drastic is introduced that we just dont know anything about (not likely) these are the new tournament armies.

Hydras

Fetterkey wrote:

Seriously this. Adding terrain to army selection is a brilliant move because it prevents armies-- especially non-vehicle heavy armies-- from being screwed if they end up on a Warhammer Fantasy-style board with no terrain.

coredump wrote:A few questions for one of you kind souls...

I saw where it said you can't assault from reserves. Are there any 'bulk' exceptions to that rule? Like.. outflanking allows assaulting. Or anything, like a USR, to indicate that this rule will not quite be universal?


COuld you give some of the details about reserves. Is that 50% of your entire army? Or does that not count things that *have* to be put in reserve? (such as flyers.) How do drop pods and passengers figure into that?


What do standard reserves (not flyers) need to come in on turn 2? 3?

Flying MCs have special rules... does that count any MC with Wings? Or is it a special designation?


And last of all, could you please check on the particulars of how poison works now. What if S is equal to T? What if S is 3 higher than T? etc.

Thanks

Matt.Kingsley wrote:I said that a little while ago, then only thing people seemed to register was GK=dead

It's mysterious terrain/objective

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I've read the battle report in the WD: IG with allied GK vs. CSM with alled Daemons.

In the first turn of CSM, each enemy psyker got D3 hits of strength 3 and AP 2. Not sure what triggered this event. This is devastating against psykers without invulnerable save and only one wound, like GK in power armor!

The lucky player of IG+GK had no GK model on the board, they were all in reserve.

Dantalian wrote:

coredump wrote:A few questions for one of you kind souls...

I saw where it said you can't assault from reserves. Are there any 'bulk' exceptions to that rule? Like.. outflanking allows assaulting. Or anything, like a USR, to indicate that this rule will not quite be universal?


COuld you give some of the details about reserves. Is that 50% of your entire army? Or does that not count things that *have* to be put in reserve? (such as flyers.) How do drop pods and passengers figure into that?


What do standard reserves (not flyers) need to come in on turn 2? 3?

Flying MCs have special rules... does that count any MC with Wings? Or is it a special designation?


And last of all, could you please check on the particulars of how poison works now. What if S is equal to T? What if S is 3 higher than T? etc.

Thanks

You cannot assault from reserves anymore, not even outflanking.

Reserves are now

Turn 1 - None
Turn 2 - 3+
Turn 3 - 3+
Turn 4 - Automatically in

As far as I can see only flyers are forced into reserves.

Dantalian wrote:Yah after reading through the book tonight it seems terrain modifiers aren't at all worth it.

JB wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I've read the battle report in the WD: IG with allied GK vs. CSM with alled Daemons.

In the first turn of CSM, each enemy psyker got D3 hits of strength 3 and AP 2. Not sure what triggered this event. This is devastating against psykers without invulnerable save and only one wound, like GK in power armor!

The lucky player of IG+GK had no GK model on the board, they were all in reserve.

I forget its name but it targets ALL psykers on the table...not just the enemy ones.

Thunderfrog wrote:Anyone know what STR perils of the warp hits at now?

I'd hate to whiff a ghosthelm and have my Farseer ID himself.

target hostile losses fearless and treats all units as fear causing

primary 3d6 - target leadership wounds to target unit

Crazyterran wrote:

target hostile losses fearless and treats all units as fear causing

I wonder if this would work against Ork Mobs...

Shrouding gives you +2 to your cover save. I haven't seen if it stacks with Stealth yet.

obsidianaura wrote:It's interesting, looks like flyers that have been immobilised cant change speed they just zoom non stop. Which means if its transporting a unit they're stuck there until its shot down. As you cant disembark if the vehicle moves over 6.

And whats this hover mode being required to drop guys off? I can't see anything about that? :S

Looks like you could zoom in, then next turn disembark what's inside straight away then carry on zooming.

And there's nothing I can see that stops you embarking on a zooming flyer either

DeathReaper wrote:Dantalian, How does a model with 3 weapons get to attack?

is there anything about having 3 CCW's in there?

I only ask because of this:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/393443.page

However, it's worth remembering that if a model has two or more melee weapons he gains +1 attack in close combat.

Engaged models with two single-handed weapons get +1 attack. Models with more than two weapons gain no additional benefit; you only get one extra Attack, even if you have four arms and a sword in each.

Dantalian wrote:

Is this what people were wanting to see?

Crazyterran wrote:Talk about ending the game on turn one, A Grey Knight player could have his day ruined by that thing, hmm?

Bloodhorror wrote:oooo can we see more of those plesae?

They seem awesome xD!

Dantalian wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:Dantalian, How does a model with 3 weapons get to attack?

is there anything about having 3 CCW's in there?

I only ask because of this:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/393443.page

However, it's worth remembering that if a model has two or more melee weapons he gains +1 attack in close combat.

Engaged models with two single-handed weapons get +1 attack. Models with more than two weapons gain no additional benefit; you only get one extra Attack, even if you have four arms and a sword in each.

As far as I can see, if you can only use two weapons. So he would have to choose which two of the three he would attack with in the combat.

Crazyterran wrote:Oh my.

Talk about ending the game on turn one, A Grey Knight player could have his day ruined by that thing, hmm?

wuestenfux wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:Oh my.

Talk about ending the game on turn one, A Grey Knight player could have his day ruined by that thing, hmm?

This is a bad prospect for GK players, not even worth to deploy the army.

Dantalian wrote:

xlEternitylx wrote:

primalexile wrote:GW will not give it up early. I got mine from a friend.

Well crackers. I don't think I'll even bother asking if they're going to be Nazis about it. Funnily enough, it's not as though much is a surprise anymore, so the whole reason behind delaying my having it is moot. But that's the big gee dubs for ya.

primalexile wrote:If anyone has anymore questions i will attempt to answer them tomorrow. I have offered all my photos to the OP if he wants to put them on page 1.

If I may, I'd like to ask: We know what all the (generic) psychic powers are, and that they are determined by rolling a D6 and matching the result with the chart. What I don't recall seeing is a summary/breakdown of how said powers are cast. Since I'm Eldar and curious about the powers I could get...

-Are there mentions of the ability to re-roll to determine which power you get on the chart? What about duplicate results?

-Can you cast the same power twice without restriction (read: Eldrad v. regular seer) ?

-Is the last power under telepathy (the one that causes a D6 effect to the unit) a Psychic Shooting attack?


Thanks!!

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Here is the psyker section. I'm currently researching your other questions.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:Oh my.

Talk about ending the game on turn one, A Grey Knight player could have his day ruined by that thing, hmm?

This is a bad prospect for GK players, not even worth to deploy the army.

Well it does say in the GK codex that anything that specifically targets psykers is resolved just against the justicar, or one random model if he's dead, so it can only kill one from each unit a turn, providing you get 3 S3 hits and get your 1/3 wound.

wuestenfux wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:Oh my.

Talk about ending the game on turn one, A Grey Knight player could have his day ruined by that thing, hmm?

This is a bad prospect for GK players, not even worth to deploy the army.

Well it does say in the GK codex that anything that specifically targets psykers is resolved just against the justicar, or one random model if he's dead, so it can only kill one from each unit a turn, providing you get 3 S3 hits and get your 1/3 wound.

Makes sense and saves lifes.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Yeppers they came out in 3rd which it was half range for rapid fire, then it got FAQ'd pretty quick. Which didn't make sense to me honestly.

wuestenfux wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:Oh my.

Talk about ending the game on turn one, A Grey Knight player could have his day ruined by that thing, hmm?

This is a bad prospect for GK players, not even worth to deploy the army.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

You might find yourself alone here. I’ve never liked the idea that tripping over a tree branch would kill something as big as a Terminator or even a Marine, and the idea that it ignored whatever type of armour they were in was just silly.

Sigvatr wrote:/wishlist on

Eldritch Anti-Air!

/wishlist off

/e: Just realized that Gauss Weapons still remain a very effective AA weapon. Can only hit on 6? Bitch please, we auto-glance at 6s anyway!

Dantalian wrote:Yah GK have taken quite a few hits in 6th.

Land Raiders have 4 hull points, making them weaker.
GK have no 'battle brothers'
Force Staves are now AP4
According to the book you cannot assault out of a vehicle unless you are open top or are in a "assault vehicle" (which I think the land raider is anyways).
On top of all the smaller buffs to shooting, meaning we will most likely kill more before they get into melee.


Also as I'm reading through the book some more, I noticed a USR change. Furious Charge now only adds +1 Strength to a charge! Meaning Orks will be I2 in combat all the time now lol.

Ryan_A wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Yah GK have taken quite a few hits in 6th.

Land Raiders have 4 hull points, making them weaker.
GK have no 'battle brothers'
Force Staves are now AP4
According to the book you cannot assault out of a vehicle unless you are open top or are in a "assault vehicle" (which I think the land raider is anyways).
On top of all the smaller buffs to shooting, meaning we will most likely kill more before they get into melee.


Also as I'm reading through the book some more, I noticed a USR change. Furious Charge now only adds +1 Strength to a charge! Meaning Orks will be I2 in combat all the time now lol.

How are HPs making them weaker?

Ryan_A wrote:

How are HPs making them weaker?

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Ryan_A wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Yah GK have taken quite a few hits in 6th.

Land Raiders have 4 hull points, making them weaker.
GK have no 'battle brothers'
Force Staves are now AP4
According to the book you cannot assault out of a vehicle unless you are open top or are in a "assault vehicle" (which I think the land raider is anyways).
On top of all the smaller buffs to shooting, meaning we will most likely kill more before they get into melee.


Also as I'm reading through the book some more, I noticed a USR change. Furious Charge now only adds +1 Strength to a charge! Meaning Orks will be I2 in combat all the time now lol.

How are HPs making them weaker?

Don't they only hit on 6's? ANd besides, isn't it much better than taknig a roll on the damage table?

Because now 4 gauss hits kill them, as opposed to around 12-15 in the old rules.

Dantalian wrote:

Ryan_A wrote:

How are HPs making them weaker?

Land Raiders biggest benefit was troll facing away Stuns and shakens. Now 4 result of ANY KIND will just kill it outright. And I play Tau, Railguns don't have that much trouble punching through the armor. I just have the amazing luck of penetrating a Land Raider 8 times and never killing the damn thing, now that is gone!

schadenfreude wrote:On the 1kp per 50 points how exactly does it work...does kp #2 come at 51,75, or 100 points?

Praxiss wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:/wishlist on

Eldritch Anti-Air!

/wishlist off

/e: Just realized that Gauss Weapons still remain a very effective AA weapon. Can only hit on 6? Bitch please, we auto-glance at 6s anyway!

Yeah. I'm seeing oppotunities for big warrior blobs + res orb - yes you will only hit fliers on a 6 but if you get within 12" you'll be firing 40 shots....6's to glance, flyers have, what, 2/3 hull points? Dead flyer.

I dont see Flyers being quite as game ending as everyone fears.

i think this edition is tryign to encourage peopel to take more balanced lists rather than flyer-spam/venom spam etc.

Dantalian wrote:
Land Raiders biggest benefit was troll facing away Stuns and shakens. Now 4 result of ANY KIND will just kill it outright. And I play Tau, Railguns don't have that much trouble punching through the armor. I just have the amazing luck of penetrating a Land Raider 8 times and never killing the damn thing, now that is gone!

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I've read the battle report in the WD: IG with allied GK vs. CSM with alled Daemons.

In the first turn of CSM, each enemy psyker got D3 hits of strength 3 and AP 2. Not sure what triggered this event. This is devastating against psykers without invulnerable save and only one wound, like GK in power armor!

The lucky player of IG+GK had no GK model on the board, they were all in reserve.

DarthOvious wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I've read the battle report in the WD: IG with allied GK vs. CSM with alled Daemons.

In the first turn of CSM, each enemy psyker got D3 hits of strength 3 and AP 2. Not sure what triggered this event. This is devastating against psykers without invulnerable save and only one wound, like GK in power armor!

The lucky player of IG+GK had no GK model on the board, they were all in reserve.

Saw that myself. Really worried about GKs after hearing these kind of things. I think the units count as a single psyker, so the hits will be distributed on the units except for special characters who will have to take the hits separately. I mean, what is the point in something like this? Random and fun I get, but this isn't random and fun, this is "lets pick on all the psykers". Tyranids will probably be affected as well quite badly by this.

obsidianaura wrote:It's interesting, looks like flyers that have been immobilised cant change speed they just zoom non stop. Which means if its transporting a unit they're stuck there until its shot down. As you cant disembark if the vehicle moves over 6.

And whats this hover mode being required to drop guys off? I can't see anything about that? :S

Looks like you could zoom in, then next turn disembark what's inside straight away then carry on zooming.

And there's nothing I can see that stops you embarking on a zooming flyer either

DarthOvious wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:It's interesting, looks like flyers that have been immobilised cant change speed they just zoom non stop. Which means if its transporting a unit they're stuck there until its shot down. As you cant disembark if the vehicle moves over 6.

And whats this hover mode being required to drop guys off? I can't see anything about that? :S

Looks like you could zoom in, then next turn disembark what's inside straight away then carry on zooming.

And there's nothing I can see that stops you embarking on a zooming flyer either

Stormravens will be fine since they have rules from disembarking while moving flat out.

DarthOvious wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I've read the battle report in the WD: IG with allied GK vs. CSM with alled Daemons.

In the first turn of CSM, each enemy psyker got D3 hits of strength 3 and AP 2. Not sure what triggered this event. This is devastating against psykers without invulnerable save and only one wound, like GK in power armor!

The lucky player of IG+GK had no GK model on the board, they were all in reserve.

Saw that myself. Really worried about GKs after hearing these kind of things. I think the units count as a single psyker, so the hits will be distributed on the units except for special characters who will have to take the hits separately. I mean, what is the point in something like this? Random and fun I get, but this isn't random and fun, this is "lets pick on all the psykers". Tyranids will probably be affected as well quite badly by this.

elrabin wrote:
It will still take a lot of Rail shots to reliably kill a Land Raider. 6 Broadsides (with TA) gives you ~80% chance to outright kill one (assuming no cover save). A third unit of 3 will likely ensure that it takes enough glances/pens to at least wreck.

The benefit now is it can be glanced to death easier by Necrons, Missile Launchers, and Lascannons.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:Talk about ending the game on turn one, A Grey Knight player could have his day ruined by that thing, hmm?

And this is why Mysterious Terrain will be the second ruled banned at tournaments.

Dantalian wrote:

elrabin wrote:
It will still take a lot of Rail shots to reliably kill a Land Raider. 6 Broadsides (with TA) gives you ~80% chance to outright kill one (assuming no cover save). A third unit of 3 will likely ensure that it takes enough glances/pens to at least wreck.

The benefit now is it can be glanced to death easier by Necrons, Missile Launchers, and Lascannons.

It will take quite a few to get it down by hull points, but a RailGun still can blow up the vehicle with a 50% chance on a penetration. If not blow it up, immobilize the guy so he can't deliver his pay load. On top of most lists that run a Land Raider (GK) tend to only run 1-2 small vehicles with it. Those can easily be knocked off by Missile Pods on the Crisis Suits. So the opponent doesn't bring enough target saturation to the table to warrant me NOT shooting all my railguns at the Land Raider.

obsidianaura wrote:

Dantalian wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:Dantalian, How does a model with 3 weapons get to attack?

is there anything about having 3 CCW's in there?

I only ask because of this:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/393443.page

However, it's worth remembering that if a model has two or more melee weapons he gains +1 attack in close combat.

Engaged models with two single-handed weapons get +1 attack. Models with more than two weapons gain no additional benefit; you only get one extra Attack, even if you have four arms and a sword in each.

As far as I can see, if you can only use two weapons. So he would have to choose which two of the three he would attack with in the combat.

I think it pretty much said even if you have 4 arms with 4 swords you only ever get 1 extra attact. Confusingly it just said two "weapons" not two close combat weapons for +1 attack in the section i looked at. Would these mean something like a GK strike squad marine gets +1 attack as he has a sword and storm bolter. It's seems doubtful as that'd make falchions pointless

olympia wrote:Has anyone confirmed that special characters are allowed to be taken as allies?

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:Oh my.

Talk about ending the game on turn one, A Grey Knight player could have his day ruined by that thing, hmm?

This is a bad prospect for GK players, not even worth to deploy the army.

Well it does say in the GK codex that anything that specifically targets psykers is resolved just against the justicar, or one random model if he's dead, so it can only kill one from each unit a turn, providing you get 3 S3 hits and get your 1/3 wound.

olympia wrote:

olympia wrote:Has anyone confirmed that special characters are allowed to be taken as allies?

Anyone? Bueller?

Allies

Battle Brothers
-Can be joined by allied Independent Characters.
-Are counted as being friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers, abilities and so on.
-However, note that not even Battle Brothers can embark in allied transport vehicles.

Allies of Convenience
-Can't benefit from the Warlord Train of an allied character.
-Cannot be joined by allied independent characters.
-Are not counted as friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers.

Desperate Allies
-Desperate Allies are treated exactly like Allied of Convenience. Furthermore, if your primary detachment is in a desperate alliance, units from that allied detachment are non-scoring, non-denial units.

In addition, the One Eye Open Special rule applies.

One Eye Open

At the start of your Movement phase, each of your units within 6" of a Desperate Ally unit must roll a D6 - on a roll of a 1, that unit cannot move, shoot, run or assault that turn (they are too busy watching for betrayal).

Page 112, 6th ed.

yakface wrote:
A disordered charge is one where you assault multiple enemy units at once, correct?
yes
And you supposedly don't get the +1A bonus for charging when you do that too (I believe).
yes
It seems in 6th edition you really have to choose whether or not it is worth it to make a multi-assault because you're not getting most charge-based bonuses if you do and you're going to get snap-fired on by every unit you assault as well.
correct
Very interesting.

Coyote81 wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:It's interesting, looks like flyers that have been immobilised cant change speed they just zoom non stop. Which means if its transporting a unit they're stuck there until its shot down. As you cant disembark if the vehicle moves over 6.

And whats this hover mode being required to drop guys off? I can't see anything about that? :S

Looks like you could zoom in, then next turn disembark what's inside straight away then carry on zooming.

And there's nothing I can see that stops you embarking on a zooming flyer either

Stormravens will be fine since they have rules from disembarking while moving flat out.

Flatout is different then zooming. I don't think anyone is going to be jumping out of flyers inthis edition. It you want the ability to fly your nasty combat unit 36" in one turn, you have to take the risk of getting shot down and taking S10 no armor save hits.

Joey wrote:My friend just made an interesting point...IG allied with SM, attach a Lord Commissar to a marine squad, execute the leader if they fail morale check
Bonus points if they're terminators...

Joey wrote:My friend just made an interesting point...IG allied with SM, attach a Lord Commissar to a marine squad, execute the leader if they fail morale check
Bonus points if they're terminators...

Coyote81 wrote:

Joey wrote:My friend just made an interesting point...IG allied with SM, attach a Lord Commissar to a marine squad, execute the leader if they fail morale check
Bonus points if they're terminators...

That made me LOL at work. I got some nice stares.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Thimn wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:Omg, I just browsed through my codex again, read Orikan's entry and...dear god, I did not realize this rule...

...if an enemy unit enters play from reserves, you may immediately deepstrike any deepstrike unit from your reservers...you know, like Flyers.

ALL OF THEM. At the same time. Sure, he gets to shoot at them. So what? Night Fight => either not being ableto shoot at all or the flyers get a 2+ (right?) cover save against shots and in your own upcoming turn, all of your flyers get to shoot at the enemy at the same time.

feth yeah.

Our books must be really different, Orikan in my codex has no such ability. Nemesor Zahndrek has that rule though

Zahndrek has it

Flashman wrote:Not sure anyone will bother with Desperate Allies if there is 1/6 chance of units in close proximity not doing anything.

DarkStarSabre wrote:My friend once decided to cheekily attach his Lord Commissar to Marneus Calgar's squad.

Use God of War now, I dare you.

BLAM. Dead Calgar

Sigvatr wrote:

Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Thimn wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:Omg, I just browsed through my codex again, read Orikan's entry and...dear god, I did not realize this rule...

...if an enemy unit enters play from reserves, you may immediately deepstrike any deepstrike unit from your reservers...you know, like Flyers.

ALL OF THEM. At the same time. Sure, he gets to shoot at them. So what? Night Fight => either not being ableto shoot at all or the flyers get a 2+ (right?) cover save against shots and in your own upcoming turn, all of your flyers get to shoot at the enemy at the same time.

feth yeah.

Our books must be really different, Orikan in my codex has no such ability. Nemesor Zahndrek has that rule though

Zahndrek has it

My bad, yes, it's Zandrekh.

But yes, flyers can deepstrike. It's in our codex and unless FAQ'd out...

Saldiven wrote:Is anyone besides myself reading the allies chart from the book as copied in the OP as meaning that one army cannot ally with itself?

I just ask because there were posts earlier on that suggested that it would be interesting to take Necrons allied with Necrons just got get multiples of the HQ's. The chart from the book doesn't list any ally ability at all where one army cross-references with another.

Saldiven wrote:Is anyone besides myself reading the allies chart from the book as copied in the OP as meaning that one army cannot ally with itself?

I just ask because there were posts earlier on that suggested that it would be interesting to take Necrons allied with Necrons just got get multiples of the HQ's. The chart from the book doesn't list any ally ability at all where one army cross-references with another.

Saldiven wrote:Is anyone besides myself reading the allies chart from the book as copied in the OP as meaning that one army cannot ally with itself?

I just ask because there were posts earlier on that suggested that it would be interesting to take Necrons allied with Necrons just got get multiples of the HQ's. The chart from the book doesn't list any ally ability at all where one army cross-references with another.

Davylove21 wrote:Am I wrong in thinking that you could very easily ally Salamanders and Ultramarines by just painting one troop choice green and taking Calgar + Vulkan anyway?

I can't get my head around the 'ally with yourself' benefit, if it had existed.