It's come to my attention that on Dakka and in the wargaming community, there's lots of people who don't like Catachans. They call them stupid Rambos, crapachans, and other names. I just want to ask why? In my opinion, Rambo is awesome in the movies, as was Schwarzenegger, and all the other 80's action heroes that inspired Catachans. Yes, they are a rip-off but can't it be excused for something as awesome as jungle Rambos that get 5+ and 4+ saves because of their flak or carapace abs? Please just list reasons Catachans are hated or are awesome and not just "they're stupid".

I strongly dislike their plastic models. I'm fine with everything else about them.

Rambo and Arnold are awesome because they were both badass, one-man armies.

80 of them just isn't as heroic, or hardcore. Sure, if Catachans had SM statlines, it'd be like "Oh man, they're THAT hardcore without power armour, CATACHAAAAN FO LIFE YO." But as is, they're just ripped guardsmen that look out of place in a warzone.

 TheCaptain wrote:
Sure, if Catachans had SM statlines, it'd be like "Oh man, they're THAT hardcore without power armour, CATACHAAAAN FO LIFE YO."

Doesn't Straken still have a power armor save? lol

The problem is the new plastic ones are hideous.

The old metal ones look pretty good though.

I wish they still had something to make them unique. Otherwise they're no different than your average scrubs, which makes no sense, because these guys are masters of ambush, sneak attacks, and jungle warfare. Maybe if they bring the doctrine thing back or something people can play some proper Catachans someday.

In the meantime, I'm using some UAMC marines from Defiance games to make some catachans who arent taller than spess mehreens

I like the suggestions. Yeah catachans should have their own codex like they used to, but with better stats. They look good in jungle but do look out of place anywhere else, I know what you mean. As for the plastics, I agree, they should be a little more proportionate and detailed.
I get what TheCaptain is saying about the one man army thing.

I'd like them to get their own codex again, but not as horribly nerfed as the last one was.

Didn't know Catachans were taller than space marines. By the way Mr.Moustaffa, I play friendly games all the time with the old catachan dex. Not tourney legal? I know, but if I took em' there they'd lose anyway!


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I don't think GW has a big enough Catachan fanbase for them to make a new dex though.

People hate the models, and to a lesser degree the concept of everyone being rambo.

I've never met someone who didn't like marbo. He's this crazy rambo copy that has crazy stats and does crazy things, like blow himself up. That alone is pretty cool. But when you have a whole army of them, it really loses it's uniqueness.

Most importantly though, stuff like this

By the way, can someone tell me what exactly makes the plastic catachans hideous?

I have no problem with their fluff. An army of Rambos, raised on a world where everything is trying to kill them and plunged into battlefields even worse, is badass. But the miniatures are stupid. And they need rules.

To necroshea, I love that model! One of the classics that got me interested in 40k!


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I know catachans need rules. I know the minis are stupid, but can someone please tell me why the minis are crap?

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
Sure, if Catachans had SM statlines, it'd be like "Oh man, they're THAT hardcore without power armour, CATACHAAAAN FO LIFE YO."

Doesn't Straken still have a power armor save? lol

Which is why Straken is awesome.

Honestly, if GW moved Straken, Marbo, Harker, and threw a couple other new special characters into a new dex with Catachans in it, gave them an upper to their strength, toughness, dropped their save to, well, no save, gave em a stealth upgrade, removed artillery, gave them a new sentinel variant or something, then it'd be pretty playable as a dex. I'm sure there are people who would switch over (or at least ally) just for Marbo.

Their fluff is cool, but they just look so dumb.

If you live on a death world like Catachan, you've going to look like:


Not like:

"What do you mean I'm not sneaky enough? My shirt is camo!"

I love Catachans. Their fluff is fun, the concept is solid enough for 40k, and an army of solid machismo from Planet Rambo is too fun to pass up. However, their standard infantry squad is a lousy, lousy kit. The pieces don't often fit together very well, the proportions are ludicrous, most of the faces are awful, the actual detail isn't so hot, and the options in the kit are limited. However, their heavy weapons team is solid, and I love the Catachan command squad kit. If the infantry kit got redone to a similar standard, I'd be very happy.

ToTheCaptain: It probably would be a good idea to cover up more, especially with all the stinging, biting insects and plants that can kill you in a second. To Brother SRM: I agree exactly with what you said.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I love Catachans. Their fluff is fun, the concept is solid enough for 40k, and an army of solid machismo from Planet Rambo is too fun to pass up. However, their standard infantry squad is a lousy, lousy kit. The pieces don't often fit together very well, the proportions are ludicrous, most of the faces are awful, the actual detail isn't so hot, and the options in the kit are limited. However, their heavy weapons team is solid, and I love the Catachan command squad kit. If the infantry kit got redone to a similar standard, I'd be very happy.

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Wierd, I thought the heavy weapon sprue was even more hideous than the infantry squad kit. I think both the HWS and the infantry squad kit should be redone to be in line the command squad kit. Get both the other kits in line with the command kit, and they'd look awesome. I'm probably going to buy a couple more of the catachan command kits just because of all the awesome bitz that come in it. Probably my favorite IG kit I've ever bought, and it was the very first one I ever got.

My dream catachan profile- (unrealistic)

Catachan Infantryman- 30pts
Special Rules- Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Stealth

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
4 4 4 4 2 4 2 8 6+*

*successful saves must be rerolled

Catachan would probably count as having camo cloaks automatically, in the fluff they have the ability to literally disappear to both friends and enemies whilst in the jungle

As you can note, most people's problem is with the minis. Their arms are supposed to be big, but not ork enormous. In order to pack on the muscles, they had to make the arms 50% longer with enormous hands. They just look way out of proportion. Also, I've been told that the kit itself is pretty bad, in that the pieces don't all fit together very easily.

That said, I've seen a lot of very good kitbashed catachan before. Probably the best was someone who used the entire catachan kit, except used cadian arms with the shoulderpads shaved off and then painted their uniform in camo. That way it fixed the dumb/difficult to attach arm problem, and also addressed the captain's chief complaint, as they really were mostly head to toe in camoflage.

As for the fluff, I don't think most people hate on catachan for that reason. Yeah, they're a little over the top, but that's not very much to complain about. I don't think I've ever met someone who straight up LOATHED the catachan fluff before.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
By the way, can someone tell me what exactly makes the plastic catachans hideous?

Horrendously overmuscled gorilla arms for me.

Catachans have decent fluff, I suppose, but I don't like the fact that they're running around in undershirts and headbands. They're supposed to come from a planet where everything from the trees to their breakfasts is trying to kill them, isn't running around unarmored kind of contrary to the principle of not being killed?

I suppose it'd be better if more people decided to go with the Rambo references and actually paint them in camouflage body paint, but nobody does.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
My dream catachan profile- (unrealistic)

Catachan Infantryman- 30pts
Special Rules- Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Stealth

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
4 4 4 4 2 4 2 8 6+*

*successful saves must be rerolled

I don't see them being exceptional marksmen. Surviving in a death jungle would have more to do with a quick knife and quick reflexes. This is more along what I would see them as


Catachan Infantryman- 15 pts
Special Rules- Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Death World Survivalist, Poisoned Blades (5+)

Death World Survivalist - Hailing from a home that constantly tries to kill them, catachan soldiers learn not only to expect danger from enemy combatants, but also from the environment itself. This model automatically passes all dangerous terrain tests.

Wargear
Compact lasgun (12", Assault 2, Pistol)
Close Combat Weapon
Camo Cloaks

WS - 4
BS - 3
S - 3
T - 4
W - 1
I - 4
A - 2
Ld - 7
Sv - -

 snooggums wrote:

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
By the way, can someone tell me what exactly makes the plastic catachans hideous?

Horrendously overmuscled gorilla arms for me.

Pretty much that. Other than that, they're passable, and the command squad and heavy weapon models are much better. But the regular squaddies' arms are just ridiculous. Not just huge, but the muscles are too over-done. They're like giant hams instead of muscly arms.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
Sure, if Catachans had SM statlines, it'd be like "Oh man, they're THAT hardcore without power armour, CATACHAAAAN FO LIFE YO."

Doesn't Straken still have a power armor save? lol

Which is why Straken is awesome.

Honestly, if GW moved Straken, Marbo, Harker, and threw a couple other new special characters into a new dex with Catachans in it, gave them an upper to their strength, toughness, dropped their save to, well, no save, gave em a stealth upgrade, removed artillery, gave them a new sentinel variant or something, then it'd be pretty playable as a dex. I'm sure there are people who would switch over (or at least ally) just for Marbo.

Their fluff is cool, but they just look so dumb.

If you live on a death world like Catachan, you've going to look like:


Not like:

"What do you mean I'm not sneaky enough? My shirt is camo!"

Someone else just mentioned that there isn't a big enough fan base for Catachans for GW to make them a codex, but I could possibly work on it if I could find someone who's interested. I started group of people to work on player written codexes for armies that don't exist in the table top. You can send me a message if you want to work on it.

AnomanderRake wrote:They're supposed to come from a planet where everything from the trees to their breakfasts is trying to kill them, isn't running around unarmored kind of contrary to the principle of not being killed?

Yes, but it doesn't actually bother me that much. I mean, most things in a real jungle are prey to something else. If camoflage were the only thing that was important, we wouldn't have jungles full of...



I mean, friggin everything in a real, dangerous jungle environment is as brightly colored and as loud as it possibly can be. Clearly going un-noticed isn't the prime requirement for survival in a jungle.

Furthermore, survival isn't the only name of the game. For example, peacocks have large plumage as a result of the Handicap Principle. In the case of catachans, it's not a matter of who can survive the best with the best gear, it's a matter of who can survive the best with the worst gear.

Also, it serves to prove the point that Catachans can fight off their environment rather than hide from it

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
My dream catachan profile- (unrealistic)

Catachan Infantryman- 30pts
Special Rules- Infiltrate, Move Through Cover, Stealth

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
4 4 4 4 2 4 2 8 6+*

*successful saves must be rerolled

ಠ_ಠ

They're are humans, strong human, but human nonetheless.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I suppose it'd be better if more people decided to go with the Rambo references and actually paint them in camouflage body paint, but nobody does.

Hmm...how about this? Granted I didn't get the camo body paint...I'm actually thinking of caking on some mud!

I think it's difficult for Catachans to work while remaining at a human statline.

To be fair the plastic catachans are some of the oldest unchanged basic troops still in production, and are desperatly in need of a update.

I have bought and modified my fair share of these minis, and hate the headbands and nid beater shirts...but meh it is a old design..look at the orcs that GW made at that time too...



so ..yeah hate the minis, dont mind the fluff..would be nice to see them gets some nice FW stuff, boonies and slouch caps with rolled up sleeves would be much more welcome, then the roid freeks

And is it to much to ask to get FW Catachan Vets with SHOTGUNS? I like converting and kit bashing as much as the next guy...but c'mon!!!

FW mostly makes stuff to tie in with their books, they haven't written anything with Catachans in it, so it wouldn't make sense.

Yeah it's the plastic kit. What does it for me is that there's very little posing alterations you can make without sculpting new shoulder/arm muscle. Out of 20 guys you're gonna be able to get maybe 5 who are doing something interesting, if you've got some command squad and HWS bits.

My best tip is using catachan legs and flak vest torsos with arms from empire flagellants, makes a much more realistic vietnam veteran looking dude. Really looking out for a plastic cultist set for this reason as well.

All my IG is Catachan. I only have a few plastic models. The plastic models are maybe the worst of all the basic infantry models from the GW spectrum. The older metal models are great and now, hard to come by.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
It's come to my attention that on Dakka and in the wargaming community, there's lots of people who don't like Catachans. They call them stupid Rambos, crapachans, and other names. I just want to ask why? In my opinion, Rambo is awesome in the movies, as was Schwarzenegger, and all the other 80's action heroes that inspired Catachans. Yes, they are a rip-off but can't it be excused for something as awesome as jungle Rambos that get 5+ and 4+ saves because of their flak or carapace abs? Please just list reasons Catachans are hated or are awesome and not just "they're stupid".

It has nothing to do with Catchans and their background, but everything to do with the terrible plastic figures that came out with them that have muscled arms as big around as a space marine arm that is in armor. They just look terrible. That is why many folks dislike them.

If there was another decent GW heroic scale set of figures dressed as jungle fighters I wouldn't mind playing a catchan force at all.

Skriker

I agree with the horrible kit. I never bought one, but my friend did to make different (as the Cadian kit looked to army for him) Having to remove the lasgun's stock and grip to stick to to the arm is a horrible method of doing things.

To Inquisitor Ehrenstein, any fan made Catachan codex's would be greatly appreciated.

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deadbolt wrote:

This entire post is grossly disrespectful to the veterans depicted.

Troll account or not, you should be ashamed.

deadbolt 484741 4921780 wrote:worst post I've seen on dakka

Excuse me?

Those "losers" as you call them fought for the country you call home in miserable conditions to defend your god given rights. Doing anything but showing them absolute respect is completely uncalled for and disturbing. As a member of the armed forces, people like you make me cringe at the thought of going off to fight. There's enough to deal with in some foreign land, let alone the very people you are protecting calling you a "loser".

I would appreciate it greatly if you never said anything like that ever again. Thanks.

Also, you posted a picture of Heinrich Himmler. Putting "(not being a nazi here)" doesn't excuse you from it. And to your last sentence, no. The marines WERE better than the German Wehrmacht. History disagrees with you.

 Ignatius wrote:

deadbolt 484741 4921780 wrote:worst post I've seen on dakka

Excuse me?

Those "losers" as you call them fought for the country you call home in miserable conditions to defend your god given rights. Doing anything but showing them absolute respect is completely uncalled for and disturbing. As a member of the armed forces, people like you make me cringe at the thought of going off to fight. There's enough to deal with in some foreign land, let alone the very people you are protecting calling you a "loser".

I would appreciate it greatly if you never said anything like that ever again. Thanks.

Thank you for your service.

-Captain

Does GW realise that if humans had muscles that big they would have so little cardio that they would gas out and collapse about 30 seconds into a fight!

Guys, really, T4 is Space Marine and Ork levels--one of which is a giant gene-engineered superhuman, the other one considers decapitation fatal if left untreated. 40K isn't granular enough to give out extra Toughness to differentiate "in shape human" from "really tough human."

Something like stealth and "move through cover" makes sense. Making Catachans as tough as Space Marines and alien horrors does not.

Arturius wrote:
Guys, really, T4 is Space Marine and Ork levels--one of which is a giant gene-engineered superhuman, the other one considers decapitation fatal if left untreated. 40K isn't granular enough to give out extra Toughness to differentiate "in shape human" from "really tough human."

Something like stealth and "move through cover" makes sense. Making Catachans as tough as Space Marines and alien horrors does not.

While I agree with you, I think you're forgetting that you're using logic in warhammer.

Col. Straken, a "really tough human", has a s equal to a daemon prince, equal to a hive tyrant, and stronger than that of a ork warboss. This human, who is tiny compared to even a space marine, has enough bits in him to make him stronger than monsters that tower over him that are made of nothing more than anger and muscle.

True, Straken is filled with bionics, but those bionics are apparently a technology that surpasses much of what the astartes appearantly walk around with.

In other words, take your logic ball and go home, lol.

Special characters are... well, special. They get to distort the game around them. That's sort of their point.

Asking that a particular type of Guardsman get a statline equal to or better than Space Marines just because is a little silly.

Arturius wrote:
Special characters are... well, special. They get to distort the game around them. That's sort of their point.

Asking that a particular type of Guardsman get a statline equal to or better than Space Marines just because is a little silly.

Why? Veterans shoot like Space Marines.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
To be fair the plastic catachans are some of the oldest unchanged basic troops still in production, and are desperatly in need of a update.

I have bought and modified my fair share of these minis, and hate the headbands and nid beater shirts...but meh it is a old design..look at the orcs that GW made at that time too...



so ..yeah hate the minis, dont mind the fluff..would be nice to see them gets some nice FW stuff, boonies and slouch caps with rolled up sleeves would be much more welcome, then the roid freeks

Plastic Catachans are nowhere near that old. The metal Catachans available at the time of those Orks were far superior. Plastic Catachans came out in the late 90s, around the same time as the Space Marines, Orks, Chaos Marines, and Eldar Guardians that have remained fundamentally unchanged through now. It's strange too, since the Perry bros and Jes Goodwin worked on the plastic Catachans. I'm absolutely baffled that they went so wrong.

 TheCaptain wrote:

Arturius wrote:
Special characters are... well, special. They get to distort the game around them. That's sort of their point.

Asking that a particular type of Guardsman get a statline equal to or better than Space Marines just because is a little silly.

Why? Veterans shoot like Space Marines.

Sure. Plenty of characters have WS or BS 4.

Baseline humans, aside from some special characters, do not get more than T3 S3. That's been consistent.

Fluff is fun.

Guys like Marbo are awsome.

The models look horrible.
The guys running around shirtless have the same armor save as the Cadians who are decked out in body armor.... is fething dumb.


So in short, get new models, with unque rules and you got no problems

The metal catachans were my first real 40k army and I have a full metal Catachan infantry army that makes up 2000 points in todays prices. The plastics are horrible though.

The big problem with a Catachan codex is that it would be far too specialised if it was done properly or far too close to the IG codex if it was designed to fit into the main game. The old Codex:Catachans made them extremely nasty (and fun) in jungle terrain and utterly hopeless anywhere else, basically it was only really useable in scenario games. GW just doesn't do stuff like that anymore.

You still can make a reasonable approximation of Catachans under the current 'dex.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
It's come to my attention that on Dakka and in the wargaming community, there's lots of people who don't like Catachans. They call them stupid Rambos, crapachans, and other names. I just want to ask why? In my opinion, Rambo is awesome in the movies, as was Schwarzenegger, and all the other 80's action heroes that inspired Catachans. Yes, they are a rip-off but can't it be excused for something as awesome as jungle Rambos that get 5+ and 4+ saves because of their flak or carapace abs? Please just list reasons Catachans are hated or are awesome and not just "they're stupid".

Majority of the models are poor, the fluff is OK, but it doesn't fit how the models should be, and not everyone finds Rambo good nor is a straight rip-off.

This thread seems to be doing good, other than that one disrespectful post... Anyway, this is a more realistic Catachan profile-

Catachan Infantryman- 15pts
WS BS S T I W A Ld Sv
4 4 3 3 4 1 2 8 -
Special Rules: Stealth, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
This thread seems to be doing good, other than that one disrespectful post... Anyway, this is a more realistic Catachan profile-

Catachan Infantryman- 15pts
WS BS S T I W A Ld Sv
4 4 3 3 4 1 2 8 -
Special Rules: Stealth, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover

Giving them BS4 seems a bit silly, wouldn't you say? Doesn't really have much fluff backing.

Maybe BS 4 for vets/catachan devils, and BS 3 for the infantrymen?

Nah, they'd probably be more like

WS: 4

BS: 3

S: 3

T: 3

I: 3

W: 1

A: 1 (but can switch to pistols and ccw, or they have their own lascarbines, which are assault weapons)

LD: 7 (They are known to disobey far more often)

Sv: 6, they still have flak jackets, at the very least.

Special Rules: Stealth, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover

Points: 6-7

 TheCaptain wrote:

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
This thread seems to be doing good, other than that one disrespectful post... Anyway, this is a more realistic Catachan profile-

Catachan Infantryman- 15pts
WS BS S T I W A Ld Sv
4 4 3 3 4 1 2 8 -
Special Rules: Stealth, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover

Giving them BS4 seems a bit silly, wouldn't you say? Doesn't really have much fluff backing.

I guess it would depend how much structure the command squad has, I mean Catachans don't respect many higher-ups and would probably implement a weaker order system. BS4 would work as long as they don't have first rank, second rank which would also seen kinda dumb

Bobthehero's idea sound very good. Didn't think about them switching to pistol and ccw. Good idea. Probably 7pts.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Maybe BS 4 for vets/catachan devils, and BS 3 for the infantrymen?

That goes without saying, vets from any regiments are BS 4.

Also, if there were a catachan codex, I don't think they'd be able to take orders. Maybe, for gameplay, but catachans doing a first rank/second rank fire doesn't sound like their fluff.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Also, if there were a catachan codex, I don't think they'd be able to take orders. Maybe, for gameplay, but catachans doing a first rank/second rank fire doesn't sound like their fluff.

I agree, but I think they would need something to deal out a large amount of shots in a pinch
or perhaps secretly designating terrain features as traps and when an enemy unit enters it you can deep strike a unit right next to it, like an ambush.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Also, if there were a catachan codex, I don't think they'd be able to take orders. Maybe, for gameplay, but catachans doing a first rank/second rank fire doesn't sound like their fluff.

I agree, but I think they would need something to deal out a large amount of shots in a pinch

Bladestorm.

Would make sense, considering their expected lack of fire discipline.

Maybe add a rule such as: whenever a Commissar is about to execute the sargeant, roll a leader ship test using the Sarge ld, if you succeed it, the squad shoots the commissar and flees, if you fail, the commissar shoots the sarge and everything goes as usual.

Although that might hurt the Catachans a bit too much, so there's probably some middle ground to be found.

Cool rule Bob. Also a bladestorm type rule would be excellent for catachans! Maybe make it increase the shots by two instead of one, (but hear me out), make it snap fire.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Maybe add a rule such as: whenever a Commissar is about to execute the sargeant, roll a leader ship test using the Sarge ld, if you succeed it, the squad shoots the commissar and flees, if you fail, the commissar shoots the sarge and everything goes as usual.

Although that might hurt the Catachans a bit too much, so there's probably some middle ground to be found.

Why not just say no Commissars? Catachans with commies doesn't sound too fluffy to me. It just seems like a pointless rule really.

Pointless, my friend, but fun!

Really? I mean, take it to extremes, so a Lord Commissar and five normal commissars. That's 245 points of commissars base. Then we have power weapons, camo cloaks, etc to take into account, so let's assume 300 points. That can be killed off quite easily by snipers, VOF, and barrage sniping, as well as the rule that means you're either losing your sergeant or commissar, both of which will probably have a power weapon and more.

The point I'm making is why bother with commissars when you're being punished for taking them? I'd drop them altogether personally.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Maybe add a rule such as: whenever a Commissar is about to execute the sargeant, roll a leader ship test using the Sarge ld, if you succeed it, the squad shoots the commissar and flees, if you fail, the commissar shoots the sarge and everything goes as usual.

Although that might hurt the Catachans a bit too much, so there's probably some middle ground to be found.

Why not just say no Commissars? Catachans with commies doesn't sound too fluffy to me. It just seems like a pointless rule really.

They actually have a lot of Commissars, said Commissar just... disapear.

Edit: Granted, its far more for fluff reason than practicall reasons, but if everything was fluffy, you'd have utterly unbreakable Death Korps Guardsmen who'd happy shoot at units locked in assault and whatnot.

 Bobthehero wrote:


Edit: Granted, its far more for fluff reason than practicall reasons, but if everything was fluffy, you'd have utterly unbreakable Death Korps Guardsmen who'd happy shoot at units locked in assault and whatnot.

Cheers for proving my point for me

What?

You said Catachans with Commies aren't fluffy, but they are, however they tend to get shot in firefights, which is exactly what our TT battles are, no?

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
To necroshea, I love that model! One of the classics that got me interested in 40k!

Agreed!

I have a lot of dislike for them in strange ways not the normal ways, mostly cause of there theme. Yeah there wanna be Rambo's which is the first problem. A lot of issues I see with IG, is a copy paste mentality of different preset era's. WW1 / Modern War. Sure its possible some armies don't get equipment or armor and what not. But does that mean all of a sudden rambo happens 40k years into the future. Even with the famous red bandana and no shirt with camo pants?

I think the biggest issue is just the tasteless copy paste, plus Marbo. Really don't like the guy simply because he is Rambo... just move the R and A around in his name and you can make Rambo. If they developed Catchan with other mechanic's that doesn't seem like pulling from other armies then I think that be neat. if they developed an over all visual appeal that wasn't such an earthly stereotype that be good. If they redesigned the models so they where not, as other people have said Gorilla-ish, or maybe there is a pun to the model(gorilla tactics).

Catchan's feel like an idea that was thought about for nearly five minutes and some guy said, yeah this can work. Simply cause we have WW1 rolling around already we'll just make them more macho and give them some different rules with an entire jungle planet to die on. And there you go Rambo all day. I think the whole Catachan world theme is cool idea. But what kind of life is so deadly on this planet where are those creatures? Have they tamed any? What kind of strange weapons have they made from this deadly world? Are those things reflective in the rules and FOC they got. No... We have a stereotype lets run with that right.

Much as I dislike them I'm going to sit there and go on and on about it with people that like playing them. Cause, who knows out there who dislikes what I like playing. Yeah its okay to say why. Or okay to talk about it when asked. But people should seriously learn to respect some space. Last thing you wanna do before a game is be on bad footing. One is belittling your opponents army. Hell I might not get along with my opponent but I sure can be quiet, play a decent game, and then go home. Its not like I'm stuck with him for five hours. Talking about things I don't want to talk about or find un-interesting. maybe they got Tamed Tigers in there box cause of the Catachan death world being so deadly. Maybe they can coat poison from frogs on bolter ammo. Maybe they have punji traps. if my opponent had things like this I'd let him play them after a discussion on pricing and what not, cause that army is DYING! D*Y*I*N*G! for substance.

I think the only reason they went with Stallone (Or how ever you spell his name.) is the fact his movies are like porno's. Lots of blowing up, stabbing, hunting, shooting. That's it... Well that translates to 40k pretty easily. But seriously, to me you couldn't pick a worse person / movie to copy paste over. They should of honestly designed a character, at least then I could come to my own conclusions and not have a lame movie persona in my head on sight. When I see Sly Marbo, I don't think fluff I think crappy designed movie character with a bad actor. An action movie I can say yeah that's Catachan and I like, would be 'Where Eagle's Dare' with Clint Eastwood, suspense, spies, behind enemy lines with a moderately good plot line.

I'll say the sad thing in all this is the Catachan's didn't have any defined rules / themes justified for the 40k universe aside the planet. Its alright, but it could be a lot better. I think if I was personally going to run them they would look a lot different. Design some of my own things what not. Probably try and Allies with Andy Hoare's KompletelyKroot Codex, depending on my opponent.

http://www.freewebs.com/pfreck/Kodex%2520Kroot%2520V4.2.pdf.

Good made up dex would fit well with Catachan jungle theme for allies, course legality is a whole other issue.

-Sincerely Viridian

 Bobthehero wrote:
What?

You said Catachans with Commies aren't fluffy, but they are, however they tend to get shot in firefights, which is exactly what our TT battles are, no?

I have never heard of a commissar in a catachan unit. The closest I have seen is Gaunt in the Tanith, and that's a long shot away from Catachans. While I know there are some Catachan armies that use them, they're not as wide scale in their regiments as, say, Cadians.
And don't patronise me boy. Try reading my post, where I said the rule was unnecessary, to which you replied:

Bobthehero wrote:Edit: Granted, its far more for fluff reason than practicall reasons, but if everything was fluffy, you'd have utterly unbreakable Death Korps Guardsmen who'd happy shoot at units locked in assault and whatnot.

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My argument was to remove the rule or commissars altogether, the latter of which I stated explicitly as a personal opinion.

i love them i use them as my allies with tau dont have many tho.

Instead of commisars Catachans could have a "Grizzled Command Sergeant Major". He is asenior NCO that the men look up to and follow out of respect instead of fear. He still confers a Stubborn Ld of 10 however if the LD test is failed he "goes down swinging" and is removed as a casualty. A buddy of mine is a die hard Catachan fan and he has almost dropped the hobby because of the lack of "love" for them. I still think one can get a good "feeling" Catachan army out pf the current book but it wont be anything different. I would almost like to see GW treat special regiments the same as special Space Marine Chapters. What ever happend to the Vostoyan(sp?)I list??

As much as I hate to say it, the heyday of the 80's action hero is long past, the "cool" factor is gone, and the models/sculpts for the Catachan's are...unappealing to put it politely, with odd proportions, blurry detail, and awkward/static poses, there's not much to like about them.

They worked in the 80's and early 90's, but honestly, the Catachan's prime was 20 years ago, there's been so much change in popular culture, scifi, the 40k universe itself, model and sculpting possibilities, etc that they just don't do it for anyone anymore.

 TheCaptain wrote:

Would make sense, considering their expected lack of fire discipline.

What? If anything Catachans are one of the most professional IG regiments simply because they spend their entire lives fighting. They aren't disciplined like a standard IG regiment but their drills in the field will be flawless through sheer experience and pragmatism. They come from the Imperium's most infamous deathworld afterall, if your fieldcraft is substandard there you won't even reach puberty.

I never really noticed the rambo theme (aside from the bandanas of course). I always took Catachans to be an analogue for US troop in Vietnam just like Valhallans are WWII era Soviets and Valhallans are Mongols.

Palindrome wrote:


What? If anything Catachans are one of the most professional IG regiments

Not even slightly.

 TheCaptain wrote:

Palindrome wrote:


What? If anything Catachans are one of the most professional IG regiments

Not even slightly.

Just because you fight all the time doesn't make you professional. Mordian Iron Guard are professional. They're always in uniform, follow orders to the letter, and are extremely disciplined. They are the "perfect" type of soldier for the Imperial Guard.

Catachans are one of the LEAST professional regiments you can find in the guard. Little discipline, rebellious, will ignore orders and do things their way, no real dress code, often allow their Commissars to die thanks to "accidents", little respect for the chain of command unless they personally know the officer, etc..

They're great ambushers and masters of jungle warfare, but that's about it. The average IG commander would go into a spasm if he were to inspect a typical Catachan outpost. I'd imagine there'd be so many regulations broken he wouldn't even know where to start. That said, I would love for special rules for all of the IG regiments. Mordian Iron Guard get's bonus LD when doing order tests, Catachan's all have stealth and infiltrate, Armageddon steel legion get a bonus for having their entire army mounted up in chimeras, etc.

 snooggums wrote:

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
By the way, can someone tell me what exactly makes the plastic catachans hideous?

Horrendously overmuscled gorilla arms for me.

This.

Cadians look 235% better and are babe approved.

 Vaktathi wrote:

They worked in the 80's and early 90's, but honestly, the Catachan's prime was 20 years ago, there's been so much change in popular culture, scifi, the 40k universe itself, model and sculpting possibilities, etc that they just don't do it for ME anymore.

There fixed that for 'ya There are some of us who do love them models for whatever reason, and will mod and model them that still makes for an impressive army on the table.

its probably because most people have an inbuilt fear of painting flesh. Also since 80 percent of the catachan line
is abs and bare skin you can see where people are turned off when seeing them for the first time.

 TheCaptain wrote:

Not even slightly.

Of course they are. Mordians are professional in a highly disciplined sense while Catachans are professional in a highly experienced, competent sense. Catachans will not fight as a disorganised rabble, they have a much looser command structure than the norm (but their officers are supposed to be highly competent) and they have little time for barrack discipline and drill but on the battlefield they will act with skill and professionalism.

What the hell, with all the crazy stat lines for Catachans? Vets, Forward Sentries upgrade, done. Good representation of Cats, throw flamers in the squads, take some sentinels, load up on a couple of SCs and you've got a fun and fluffy Catachan force.

 htj wrote:
What the hell, with all the crazy stat lines for Catachans? Vets, Forward Sentries upgrade, done. Good representation of Cats, throw flamers in the squads, take some sentinels, load up on a couple of SCs and you've got a fun and fluffy Catachan force.

Except for the fact that that hardly represents Catachan's special skills at all. Just giving them a +1 cover save and calling it a day isn't an appropriate representation of how these guys work. They're ambush fighters, setting traps, sabotaging bridges, attacking at night etc. They know their way around deathworlds like no other IG regiment. They're skilled at close range firefights and hit and run tactics. Just giving vets camo cloaks doesn't really fill that void sadly. Hence why some people complain about doctrines being gone I guess.

I've read through the catachan minidex from 4th ed and I have to say I like the idea they had with it. I think if that got tweaked a bit it would make a great starting point for a fan dex.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Except for the fact that that hardly represents Catachan's special skills at all. Just giving them a +1 cover save and calling it a day isn't an appropriate representation of how these guys work. They're ambush fighters, setting traps, sabotaging bridges, attacking at night etc.

Yes, traps like the defensive grenades the forward sentries rule gives them, for instance.

They know their way around deathworlds like no other IG regiment.

Granted, this is less obvious, but how would you implement that in game with any degree of balance?

They're skilled at close range firefights and hit and run tactics.

Sorted - BS4. Hit and run tactics are in the list and the general's hands.

I really think people expect too much of the Catachan regiments. They're exceptionally skilled humans, but they're still just humans. Most differentiation should be in the list style you build, and you can build a really competitive and fluffy list with what's in the dex currently.

Now if they updated the Catachans to look more like U.S. Army Rangers then perhaps I'd play them. As of now, they should just remove them from the shelf and glue them all together into some sort of Catachan katamari ball.

i just really hate the models :(

Have never seen any of those guys fielded yet.

 Viridian wrote:
I think the only reason they went with Stallone (Or how ever you spell his name.) is the fact his movies are like porno's. Lots of blowing up, stabbing, hunting, shooting. That's it... Well that translates to 40k pretty easily.

You are watching some seriously weird porn.

Everyone is too hung up on Rambo. Sly Marbo is Rambo. The Catachan army is not Rambo. They are American Vietnam fighters, like you see in most Vietnam movies - stripped down to their shirts because it is hot, dressed in camo because they're fighting in the woods, etc. And modeled by some guy with a fetish for muscles, unfortunately. The idea is fine, and easily represented by vets, snipers and the like. They just have silly models currently.

Although honestly, skilled jungle born fighters would be better modeled on the Viet Kong than the American forces.

 Hollowman wrote:

 Viridian wrote:
I think the only reason they went with Stallone (Or how ever you spell his name.) is the fact his movies are like porno's. Lots of blowing up, stabbing, hunting, shooting. That's it... Well that translates to 40k pretty easily.

You are watching some seriously weird porn.

Everyone is too hung up on Rambo. Sly Marbo is Rambo. The Catachan army is not Rambo. They are American Vietnam fighters, like you see in most Vietnam movies - stripped down to their shirts because it is hot, dressed in camo because they're fighting in the woods, etc. And modeled by some guy with a fetish for muscles, unfortunately. The idea is fine, and easily represented by vets, snipers and the like. They just have silly models currently.

Although honestly, skilled jungle born fighters would be better modeled on the Viet Kong than the American forces.

they seem pretty legit

I'm sorry people feel this way about Catachans. In MY OPINION, I just like the whole Rambo feel. And if "A tastless movie with bad acting" is one of my favorites then so be it. I like the way they are tasteless copies, because it just reminds me more of Rambo and all the other Nam movies. As for the mini's, I think the muscles could be SLIGHTLY downsized. Watch predator and look at Arnold, that would be a good size, so not much smaller. As for detail, what do you want to do, add veins!? In my opinion, Catachans are just awesome. And I know they're stuck in the 80's, I love the 80's! Though I know all people don't. But seriously, if people wan't a professional uniform looking army, why don't they go with whats truly tastless- Cadians. By the way I'm like 99% sure I would have made a Nam or Rambo guard army even if Catachans weren't invented. Thats all my venting for now, but its nice to see that people on this threa are backing up their opinions. Everyone has their own. Thanks!

The basic stuff jumping around as far as statlines seems ok, but some of the justifications are off...So why not this:

Deathworlder (Troops) 8-9 points apiece
WS: 4 (Hardened Fighters)
BS: 3 (Being good at hand-to-hand is more important than shooting anyways, and 3 is good enough)
S: 3
T: 3 (3/3, they are humans, come on.)
I: 4 (Being one to fight off jungle monsters, they would have the swift handiwork of an Eldar Guardian or Space Marine)
W:1 (Duh)
A: 1 (maybe 2, but really 2 per including CCW is good enough)
Ld: 8 (Good enough morale, besides these guys look death in the face everyday)
Sv: 6+ (They got vests, so yeah)

Wargear: Lascarbines(18" Assault), CCW
(Can exchange lascarbines for pistol for free)

Special Rules:
Stealth, Deathworld veterans, Stubborn
Deathworld veterans: Treat dangerous terrain as difficult (They live in jungles)
(Stubborn represents their hard as nails when it comes to fighting for their life, Stealth is no brainer, and the anti-danger is pretty straight forward)

Thank you to....I lost your name in the thread, for the idea on the ignoring dangerous terrain.

This is really rough of an attempt, so sorry if some of my logic is not sound.

I think that's the best one yet. Feels a bit more balanced. They'd still need to cost a bit more than regular guardsmen though unless you put in some restrictions like they can't have certain weapons or something

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I think that's the best one yet. Feels a bit more balanced. They'd still need to cost a bit more than regular guardsmen though unless you put in some restrictions like they can't have certain weapons or something

Seems like they would largely be limited to flamers, heavy flamers, and meltaguns; befitting their hit and run style of play.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I think that's the best one yet. Feels a bit more balanced. They'd still need to cost a bit more than regular guardsmen though unless you put in some restrictions like they can't have certain weapons or something

Seems like they would largely be limited to flamers, heavy flamers, and meltaguns; befitting their hit and run style of play.

That and they'd need demo charges, sniper rifles, and access to melta bombs/krak grenades. In the catachan mini dex, they also had what amounted to a plasma claymore mine. It blew up in a kind of template shape and looked like it'd be awesome in game.

No idea how you'd make it balanced though. As the only way to make it useful is to have it somewhere where the opponent doesn't know about it, but unless you trust your opponent, it could be abused. I need to buy the Catachan Mini dex now that I think about it and just start converting everything to current 40k/IG stats/costs. I really liked the idea they had going with it, and I think it'd be easiest to just build off of that.

As for heavy weapons, I could see them using missile launchers and heavy bolters, but that's about it in most engagements. Shame, because I hate those 2 weapons

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

As for heavy weapons, I could see them using missile launchers and heavy bolters, but that's about it in most engagements. Shame, because I hate those 2 weapons

Awe man, I love missile launchers.

Wish they were useful, because it's just such an iconically cool weapon to me.

I like Catachans, but then again, I like the Imperial Guard in general.

I think the Catachan models should lose the sculpted muscles and just be modeled with thick arms without sleeves, which would still look heavily muscled at a 28 mm scale.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

As for heavy weapons, I could see them using missile launchers and heavy bolters, but that's about it in most engagements. Shame, because I hate those 2 weapons

Awe man, I love missile launchers.

Wish they were useful, because it's just such an iconically cool weapon to me.

Dont get me wrong, I think those 2 are without a doubt the two coolest looking. I just hate that their in game stats aren't too great.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I just hate that their in game stats aren't too great.

*sniffle*

I play Elysians; that's a touchy subject.

(Our only heavy weapons. Aside from the laughable mortar.)

 TheCaptain wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I just hate that their in game stats aren't too great.

*sniffle*

I play Elysians; that's a touchy subject.

(Our only heavy weapons. Aside from the laughable mortar.)

I'm sorry for your loss. Next game I play I'll dedicate the first vehicle I blow up with my 15 lascannons to you

Although you can't complain, you've got deepstriking multimelta sentinels. I don't care how useless those things might be, that is awesome.

Speaking of which... I bet the catachan's would juryrig some multimelta sentinels. And "deepstrike" could just be the sentinel popped out of cover and ambushed the enemy! My evil plan is coming to fruition!

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

I'm sorry for your loss. Next game I play I'll dedicate the first vehicle I blow up with my 15 lascannons to you

I'm honored, sir.

Although you can't complain, you've got deepstriking multimelta sentinels. I don't care how useless those things might be, that is awesome.

Yeah...

Yeah...it's pretty damn nice.

Let me chip in on one my next and upcoming army

I like Catachans. Yes they are cheesy, have huge arms but I like the concept anyway. It's a matter of taste. Some armies do it for you, some don't. Nature of the game.

That being said,

If Catachans were to be given special rules:
Stealth, Stubborn and Move through cover (instead of the previously suggested rule of Deathworld veteran. I think it is best to work with available USRs rather than inserting too many special rules. No offense Da Kommizzar)

As for people suggesting they should only have flamers and maybe meltaguns, this is where I disagree.

Catachans have a PREFERENCE for Flamers and Heavy Bolters. But they are still soldiers. They will use the right too for the right job. No catachan in his right mind (not all of them I know) would go up against a tank with a heavy bolter or a flamer. They will get the right tool and make it happen.

I understand that catachans would dislike fragile "techie" weapons which could break down in adverse condition such as Plasma guns for exemple.

I wrote myself some "rules" about how my army would work and I wrote off Leman Russ Tanks. Too slow and not suited for moving in the thick jungle.

Long Range artillery is fine as they can be parked outside the jungle, remain in camp, don't need to keep pace with the infantry. It makes sense.

People often grab a little bit of fluff and cast the whole thing in cement as the ONLY fluff and close themselves to alternate views.

Catachans are based on vietnam's USMCs. Well back then they had gunship support, artillery support. The batteries would not follow them 15' behind but it does not mean it was unavailable to them.

I don't understand it either I love Catachans they remind me of a "nam" army.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I just hate that their in game stats aren't too great.

*sniffle*

I play Elysians; that's a touchy subject.

(Our only heavy weapons. Aside from the laughable mortar.)

Cry about it, Krieg have 0 flyers or anti flyer.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I just hate that their in game stats aren't too great.

*sniffle*

I play Elysians; that's a touchy subject.

(Our only heavy weapons. Aside from the laughable mortar.)

Cry about it, Krieg have 0 flyers or anti flyer.

Aside from the Quad guns everyone has access to.

Also, the Tau would like a word with you.

 Erik_Morkai wrote:
Catachans have a PREFERENCE for Flamers and Heavy Bolters.

Meltaguns, Meltabombs, Demo Charges.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I just hate that their in game stats aren't too great.

*sniffle*

I play Elysians; that's a touchy subject.

(Our only heavy weapons. Aside from the laughable mortar.)

Cry about it, Krieg have 0 flyers or anti flyer.

Aside from the Quad guns everyone has access to.

Also, the Tau would like a word with you.

Tau have twin linked broadside.

Ask theCaptain how his flyer list fared agaisnt those guys.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I just hate that their in game stats aren't too great.

*sniffle*

I play Elysians; that's a touchy subject.

(Our only heavy weapons. Aside from the laughable mortar.)

Cry about it, Krieg have 0 flyers or anti flyer.

Aside from the Quad guns everyone has access to.

Also, the Tau would like a word with you.

Tau have twin linked broadside.

Ask theCaptain how his flyer list fared agaisnt those guys.

A 32% chance of hitting per shot. Aah. Unless they're spammed or sat on a skyfire nexus, I really don't seem much of a threat. If we're talking Croissant spam, then it still isn't scary.
And no, I think we'll leave single cases out of a general discussion.

That's still better than what Krieg have, to be honest.

The best thing I see would be to use the HWP, but that can get rather expensive.

They are, for the most part, absolutely hideous, absurdly out of proportion figures with a kinda cheesy trope.

 Bobthehero wrote:
That's still better than what Krieg have, to be honest.

The best thing I see would be to use the HWP, but that can get rather expensive.

Ally with Codex guard and take a Hydra? Or several?

I could say the same for Tau, really.

From what I've seen in the books catachans are hard to represent on the table unlike most IG armies.

- They rely on infantry that is harder and faster than standard IG, but not strong enough to be S4/T4.

- They rely mostly on skirmish level tactics on deathworlds with survival and various trap based warfare as they pin down the enemy overtime.

- They mostly use Lascarbines and fight on the move, always being mobile, they also fight with death world poisons, flamers, heavy bolters, with varied explosive weaponry based on what sort of unit it is, though they do usually have something that can deal with tanks (Krak or Melta)

They just feel more like something you'd see in a skirmish level game, not a full army based one.

It just feels incredibly awkward using standard IG rules with a Catachan force.

If they brought back doctrines or something similar, I can see Catachans being more popular.

I all but hate Catachans mainly because, from how I see it, they stand so far apart from the rest of the IG. What I like about the IG is that, for the most part, they're normal humans, thrown against the worst the galaxy has to offer them. They're not super strong or tough, they have equipment that holds up well to their own weapons but is worthless in the face of bolters, shuriken catapults, gauss, ect. They're not supremely skilled, save for the stormtroopers and the grizzled vets. They're the common man, but nevertheless, they see to their duty.

Then there's the Catachans, who have 5+ saves from their muscles, who come from the most DANGEROUS and INFAMOUS death world in the galaxy with lifeforms that would make Darwin spin in his grave, but survive there because they're just that good, where they have sergeants who can wrestle Tyranid Raveners to death because they're just that strong, and get away with killing their commissars because they just don't like them, and feth yeah they're just that badass.

Imo they're the special snowflake of IG regiments and simply aren't to my taste, especially when they're consistently all treated like mini-Rambos. Not gonna fault anyone who does like them, it's just personal taste lol. There is some of their fluff like the Flaming Devils I like but meh.

What FinalAnswer said-
"Then there's the Catachans, who have 5+ saves from their muscles, who come from the most DANGEROUS and INFAMOUS death world in the galaxy with lifeforms that would make Darwin spin in his grave, but survive there because they're just that good, where they have sergeants who can wrestle Tyranid Raveners to death because they're just that strong, and get away with killing their commissars because they just don't like them, and feth yeah they're just that badass."

Exactly! By the way I like Da Kommizar's rule set.

 Bobthehero wrote:

Tau have twin linked broadside.

Ask theCaptain how his flyer list fared agaisnt those guys.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

Tau have twin linked broadside.

Ask theCaptain how his flyer list fared agaisnt those guys.

Wasn't pretty :(

Sure, they might only have a 32% chance to hit, but they're almost guaranteed a glance on AV12, and if they pen it's +2 to their damage rolls. Which is bad for a flyer.

They get 2+ saves with loads of shield drones.

Broadside spam is just generally one of the tougher lists for flyers to cope with. (aside from other flyerspam)

there look makes them unique.
Id like to see a separate codex's in the future for armys like it and others i could name like different tau septs dark eldar factions eldar orks yada yada

Maybe GW should make some more PDF mini-dexes for all the sub-factions.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Maybe GW should make some more PDF mini-dexes for all the sub-factions.

There's no money in PDFs, so it's unfortunately unlikely

My Catachans always remind me of Starship Troopers, after Rico and his team become hardened veterans and get tattooed. Their gung-ho attitude and appearance are a welcome sight amongst the grimdarkness.

Yeah, thats what I like about them. They also remind me of the Aliens Colonial Marines, like Hicks. Hudson is the guy who gets shot by the Commissar for cowardice, "Game over man! Game over!" Lol

Yeah, as to the PDF's I guess GW is no longer the fun creative modeling company they used to be. Money seems to be all that matters.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

There's no money in PDFs, so it's unfortunately unlikely

There is, its just all indirect sales so GW can't think that far.

I found a load of old plastic Catachans and I was going to convert them into cultists but they are so malproportioned they just look terrible. I think I will just stick to the Dark Vengeance versions.

Yeah, cats are a bit big for the shrimpy cultists. I think the armor saves should be swapped though!

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Yeah, cats are a bit big for the shrimpy cultists. I think the armor saves should be swapped though!

I was actually doing Ungor head swaps and they still look out of proportion.

ungor heads on cats or cultists?

Catachans, they were for use as cultists not the actual cultist models.

Really? Maybe use Ungor bodies/legs and just Catachan arms?

Unless you don't like the whole hooved thing.

Palindrome wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:

There's no money in PDFs, so it's unfortunately unlikely

There is, its just all indirect sales so GW can't think that far.

I found a load of old plastic Catachans and I was going to convert them into cultists but they are so malproportioned they just look terrible. I think I will just stick to the Dark Vengeance versions.

Use some 3rd party arms and heads. The torsos/legs are pretty good and I'd still use them at least. Victoria mini's makes some awesome bare arm lasgun arms that would work great for Catachans, and you could use all sorts of heads with them.

I was only going to use them out of cheapness and buying 3rd party extras to make them look ok would cost me more than just Ebaying the Dark vengeance cultists.

Yeah, I got 40 cultists for about $20 the other day on Ebay. So about 12.50 GBP. Good deal imo. Maybe you should just go with those. Or you could even put some ungor heads on DV cultists if you wanted to.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Or you could even put some ungor heads on DV cultists if you wanted to.

Too much effort. They do work well with Cadians though.

Ok then are you just going to go with the standard DV cultists?

This thread seems dead. Oh well, I think it worked pretty good. I really heard some people's opinions about the Catachans and it was pretty cool. I got to know why people don't like them and in the most part, it was only models, not fluff. So I thank everyone for the chance to explore that topic and get some opinions.
Thanks again,
Color Sgt. Kell

Orks kill them anyways lol