...in fiction. You guys watch movies and stuff. How about adding you own and ranking them from best to worst?
Looper: No, not traveling into the past. The part where he drops "the package" into a flow of smelted metal. The only con is you'd need access to a smelting plant but that seems pretty final to me.
Breaking Bad: Melting the body in a barrel of acid. Difficulty: must use the correct kind of plastic, rather then, say, a bathtub.
Deadwood, Hell on Wheels, others: Feeding the body to hogs. Seemed to work pretty well on the show, although some evidence is left behind.
Mr. Brooks: In this film, Kevin Costner drops bodies into a cemetary the night before a funeral, where the graves are already dug but no coffin yet interred, and loosely overs them with dirt. This seems a little iffy to me; as well as needing some really specific timing.
Pulp Fiction In this film, a body was disposed of by putting it in the trunk of a car, and then having a friendly junkyard compact it. Difficulty: knowing a junkyard owner. Dealing with the smell, possibly.
Dexter: In this show, Dexter chops up the body, and then dumps them at sea in garbage bags. I think this is even more dubious - my feeling is that the action of the sea would cause the bags to disintegrate fairly quickly, causing the remains to float. Maybe if he used a more sturdy container.
And, the worst one I've seen:
The Wire, Season 3: dropping the bodies in a vacant building and covering then with quicklime. I think the thought is that the lime dissolves the features and makes it hard to identify them; but I did some googling and it looks like it actually helps to preserve corpses really well, the opposite of what they intended.
The Wire, Season 3: dropping the bodies in a vacant building and covering then with quicklime. I think the thought is that the lime dissolves the features and makes it hard to identify them; but I did some googling and it looks like it actually helps to preserve corpses really well, the opposite of what they intended.
If I remember correctly, I thought they were using the lime to keep the bodies from smelling, so people would be less likely to snoop around the vacants or call the police?
Well, it seems like you're having trouble getting rid of a body don't worry there's a first for everything if you follow some of my recommendations you'll be a pro in no time, I'm an expert on disposing bodies so I'll give you my top 5 methods (not that I've ever put this knowledge to use ).
1. Bury it under your house.
2. Bury it in the forest or somewhere natural make sure to recover it so it looks natural.
3. Burn the body.
4. Feed it to animals.
5. Cover it in acid.
If you need help in finding a place to store bodies or tips for efficient murder just PM me.
nomsheep wrote: Best way, walk up shoot em and leave em, no prints, no dna almost impossible to catch.
I've always wondered how effective that would be. I mean aside from the potential blood splatter there really is nothing to tie you to the crime is there?
nomsheep wrote: Best way, walk up shoot em and leave em, no prints, no dna almost impossible to catch.
I've always wondered how effective that would be. I mean aside from the potential blood splatter there really is nothing to tie you to the crime is there?
nomsheep wrote: Best way, walk up shoot em and leave em, no prints, no dna almost impossible to catch.
I've always wondered how effective that would be. I mean aside from the potential blood splatter there really is nothing to tie you to the crime is there?
Option 1: leave the corpse on top of a bomb in a nice crowded area, if anyone can even figure out which mangled bits of flesh go with which body they'll just assume that the bomb killed the victim.
Option 2: ground zero of a nuke, ensuring complete vaporization of the evidence and plenty of chaos to prevent anyone from bothering with a single murder case.
Of course if you have access to nukes, one might ask why you don't just nuke the target in the first place, but a good villain never uses a sensible plan when a stupid one will do the job.
I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig gak, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
Dexter has the right idea, but netting would be a much better bet than plastic bags as it allows fish etc to get at the body much easier while maintaining its integrity better.
A body in weighted netting in deep, non fished, waters is never going to be seen again.
nomsheep wrote: Best way, walk up shoot em and leave em, no prints, no dna almost impossible to catch.
I've always wondered how effective that would be. I mean aside from the potential blood splatter there really is nothing to tie you to the crime is there?
Yeah, that is a good method as well.
It's what the IRA got away with.
If you're struggling to dispose of a whole body you could just remove the head and hands and dump the rest. You can then burn or bury those bits more easily. Dragging around a whole body for complex disposal is quite difficult and it's only the head and hands that are really good for ID. Dumping in water destroys DNA evidence though it might wash up somewhere, so take a concrete post and some chains with you. Quicklime does preserve a body but it burns away the flesh so again, destruction of evidence.
My preference is to tie then to something heavy and bury them at sea. Alternatively if I was in the countryside still I'd drive up into the mountains and bury you up there where no one will ever look.
nomsheep wrote: Best way, walk up shoot em and leave em, no prints, no dna almost impossible to catch.
I've always wondered how effective that would be. I mean aside from the potential blood splatter there really is nothing to tie you to the crime is there?
Well, witnesses. Or CCTV you don't know about.
But that's a digression.
I was going on the assumption that witnesses were a given. Nothing you can do about witnesses.
Oh well there is..... but dealing with witnesses (i'd imagine) would potentialy cause more problems then what its worth. As for CCTV. You wont find many cameras round the burbs. In the city maybe. But not were i'd be killing people if i were to be killing people.
Poppabear wrote:I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig gak, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
Speaking of pigs, in the second season of Hell on Wheels, the 2 Irish brothers kills a german butcher, to dispose of the body, they cut him up and feed him to the pigs.
I swear this thread will get the attention of the guvment. If it hasn't already.
Piston Honda wrote: Speaking of pigs, in the second season of Hell on Wheels, the 2 Irish brothers kills a german butcher, to dispose of the body, they cut him up and feed him to the pigs.
I swear this thread will get the attention of the guvment. If it hasn't already.
nomsheep wrote: Best way, walk up shoot em and leave em, no prints, no dna almost impossible to catch.
I've always wondered how effective that would be. I mean aside from the potential blood splatter there really is nothing to tie you to the crime is there?
Pretty much, in a crowded area is better, look normal do it and blend back in, even if your caught out by witnesses, who's gonna stop ya? you just killed someone, in cold blood, in front of them.
Crowded area eh? Are you talking about pulling out a pistol and just capping someone or sneakily and silently shanking someone as you "bump" into them?
Old mafia favorite is to dump it in the (not yet hardened) concrete foundations of, say, a skyscraper or other large building site.
I should think those sites are guarded with cameras these days though.
Old abandoned mines are also a good dumping ground, I should think.
When they have finished take away teeth and hair to incinerate, or mix in with your trash.
Other option is to deep freeze, Cut body up into easily manageable pieces, freeze. then every so often venture out with a piece to your waterway of choice weigh it down then toss it.
There's quite a simple option. Get someone you know but don't particularly like to become friends with you, and slowly start to brainwash them into thinking the person you want dead should be killed. Get them to the point where they will do anything to kill that person, then get a very good alibi while they go off and murder for you.
It's shown rather explicitly in Danish film Pusher 3.
They hang a body upside down, slit the throat and drain all blood from him into a tub. Then they cut his belly up and take his intestines out, slice them to pieces and grind them in the garbage disposer. Then they saw the drained empty body up, put the bits into garbage bags and chuck em in the container.
Snrub wrote: Crowded area eh? Are you talking about pulling out a pistol and just capping someone or sneakily and silently shanking someone as you "bump" into them?
God i love that movie. Bricktops description of the word Nemisis is also excellent. I suppose you could always just do what the Gypsies do and bury then bodies then get the hell outta dodge as quick as their caravans can take em.
Old mafia favorite is to dump it in the (not yet hardened) concrete foundations of, say, a skyscraper or other large building site.
I should think those sites are guarded with cameras these days though.
That usually isn't a problem for the mafia because they generally have links to / own the construction companies whose sites are being used for that thing.
What you really want is one of those drive in landfills where you just go and drop off your stuff and pay by weight. Put the body in a garbage bag, get a crap ton of other garbage, throw the body over the cliff/into the pile and that night a bulldozer will plow it under either sand or a couple metric tons of other garbage. Also, it smells, so the only chance for detection is when the bulldozer is doing the plowing. To be absolutely sure of no discovery put the body in something large and covering, like the middle of a mattress or boxspring, that way when the bulldozer hits it the body will be covered by the mattress and much likely to come out of it's bag and be noticable to the driver.
Or, dump in the dump with a bunch of broken mannequins/halloween costumes.
Well, a Melta Gun or a Collector Particle Beam would leave nothing but an unpleasant looking and probably unpleasant-smelling stain, so that'd be very clean. IMO, the prize would go to any Gauss Weapon, seeing as it doesn't leave anything behind at all. The poorest weapon is anything that leaves an intact body behind.
Old mafia favorite is to dump it in the (not yet hardened) concrete foundations of, say, a skyscraper or other large building site.
I should think those sites are guarded with cameras these days though.
That usually isn't a problem for the mafia because they generally have links to / own the construction companies whose sites are being used for that thing.
What you really want is one of those drive in landfills where you just go and drop off your stuff and pay by weight. Put the body in a garbage bag, get a crap ton of other garbage, throw the body over the cliff/into the pile and that night a bulldozer will plow it under either sand or a couple metric tons of other garbage. Also, it smells, so the only chance for detection is when the bulldozer is doing the plowing. To be absolutely sure of no discovery put the body in something large and covering, like the middle of a mattress or boxspring, that way when the bulldozer hits it the body will be covered by the mattress and much likely to come out of it's bag and be noticable to the driver.
A large suitcase/s filled with kittylitter to mask the smell further would be useful here. Suitcases are tougher then garbage bags and you don't run the risk of odd shapes sticking out at weird angles.
Ratbarf wrote: Or, dump in the dump with a bunch of broken mannequins/halloween costumes.
BRB going to try this. This is almost certainly foolproof. Just gotta wait for rigor to kick in.
Automatically Appended Next Post: God way to kill the thread Valerian.
Well, Gauss Weapons don't leave anything behind, with Meltas and the Collector Particle Beam coming close. And seeing as the thread asks the best and poorest means of disposing a body, then anything that leaves a body behind and makes you have to dispose of it is a poor choice (assuming you can choose a weapon ).
Robert Picton would like to differ on the foolproofness of feeding your victims to pigs, seeing as he is suspected of killing 50, convicted of killing 6, and the remains of 27 were found on his pig farm.
The thing is, it's quite easy to dispose of a body so there's nothing left of it (or at least very little). The thing to worry about is making sure you don't disrupt your normal routine too much, because that's what the police will be looking out for. Any slight change, such as purchasing a gallon of acid, will attract their attention.
Ratbarf wrote: Robert Picton would like to differ on the foolproofness of feeding your victims to pigs, seeing as he is suspected of killing 50, convicted of killing 6, and the remains of 27 were found on his pig farm.
Well he obviously didn't have A) Enough pigs. B) Enough time to dispose of the remaining bodies (see A) or C) He got to far ahead of himself and killed to many people. Which again makes a good case for A.
Admiral Valerian wrote: Just take the corpse and bury it somewhere in the forest at the base of Mt. Fuji, or any mountain with an uninhabited forest at its base.
Yeah, like taking a trip to Mt. Fuji won't attract the police's attention.
p_gray99 wrote: There's quite a simple option. Get someone you know but don't particularly like to become friends with you, and slowly start to brainwash them into thinking the person you want dead should be killed. Get them to the point where they will do anything to kill that person, then get a very good alibi while they go off and murder for you.
p_gray99 wrote: There's quite a simple option. Get someone you know but don't particularly like to become friends with you, and slowly start to brainwash them into thinking the person you want dead should be killed. Get them to the point where they will do anything to kill that person, then get a very good alibi while they go off and murder for you.
Worked for Bin Laden didnt it.
That was different. He spoke to people specifically for the killings, rather than already knowing them and gently putting the idea into their heads.
Admiral Valerian wrote: Just take the corpse and bury it somewhere in the forest at the base of Mt. Fuji, or any mountain with an uninhabited forest at its base.
Yeah, like taking a trip to Mt. Fuji won't attract the police's attention.
It won't if the police and everyone else know you've been planning a camping/hiking trip to the mountains for months.
Old mafia favorite is to dump it in the (not yet hardened) concrete foundations of, say, a skyscraper or other large building site.
I should think those sites are guarded with cameras these days though.
That usually isn't a problem for the mafia because they generally have links to / own the construction companies whose sites are being used for that thing.
Yeah, but I don't belong to the mafia (and presumably neither does the OP, but this the netz, so you can't be sure), so that option's out for me. The landfill idea is quite good though, I like that.
Also, particle whips, gauss and melta weapons do have one strike against them.
Admiral Valerian wrote: Just take the corpse and bury it somewhere in the forest at the base of Mt. Fuji, or any mountain with an uninhabited forest at its base.
Yeah, like taking a trip to Mt. Fuji won't attract the police's attention.
It won't if the police and everyone else know you've been planning a camping/hiking trip to the mountains for months.
Fair enough, though it does mean you have no second chance: The assassination has to be done by that point or else you've just gone on a hiking trip for nothing. And they might still be a little suspicious. You may get away with it if you have a good reason for the trip, though.
Whatever happened to going to a secluded place, burnin' that sucker. Then takin' your righteous ballpeen to the teeth and mixing the whole lot up with cement. Seriously man, fire cleanses all thins.
Admiral Valerian wrote: Just take the corpse and bury it somewhere in the forest at the base of Mt. Fuji, or any mountain with an uninhabited forest at its base.
Yeah, like taking a trip to Mt. Fuji won't attract the police's attention.
It won't if the police and everyone else know you've been planning a camping/hiking trip to the mountains for months.
Fair enough, though it does mean you have no second chance: The assassination has to be done by that point or else you've just gone on a hiking trip for nothing. And they might still be a little suspicious. You may get away with it if you have a good reason for the trip, though.
Fishing? Or just a desire 'to get away from it all'...
Chongara wrote: Whatever happened to going to a secluded place, burnin' that sucker. Then takin' your righteous ballpeen to the teeth and mixing the whole lot up with cement. Seriously man, fire cleanses all thins.
I like it. Its simple and effective. You do run the risk of getting sprung with a body in your boot but i suppose thats one of the many risks you take when getting rid of a corpse.
Maybe if you got a ute with strong boxes on the tray, make false bottoms for the strongboxes and hide the body in them. That way the body is locked up tight and even if someone does look inside they still have to get past the false bottoms.
Well he obviously didn't have
A) Enough pigs.
B) Enough time to dispose of the remaining bodies (see A)
or
C) He got to far ahead of himself and killed to many people. Which again makes a good case for A.
Well since he had several hundred pigs I think we can rule out A.
B probably has a good case of it, seeing as the six he was convicted of were found in his Freezer/Garbage can. So he probably hadn't gotten around to it yet. Also applies for C.
But the fact that quite a few remains were found in/identified from his manure pile would seem to rule out pigs as an end all be all. Though really the only reason he was caught is that he kept telling his friends that he killed prostitutes and in one case actually showed the guy his freezer full of bodies.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Really though I'm thinking landfill or multiple dumpsters where the body has been hacked up and put in the middle of a garbage bag filled with empty pop cans. Though that last one may end up in recycling, so always research the practices of your municipal garbage disposal before dumping a corpse in a dumpster.
They make good pets.
They make really good guard animals.
Friendly and good natured.
WIll eat almost anything. As detailed in this thread.
And oh my god have you ever seen a teacup pig. Shoot me now i may die of cuteness overload.
In one of my first jobs out of high school, I had someone I worked with confessed to helping someone in a murder where the victim's head was fed to hogs.
A couple of days later, some hikers found the body out in the country a couple miles from my home.
On a hog farm in Iowa I worked on, a 150 pound pig managed to get in with pigs that had about 100 pounds on him. He was killed and eaten with very little to be found.
I feel I should contribute something here, as this is pretty much right in my wheelhouse (I have a degree in ...well, this, basically).
If you're talking about a fictional story that involves disposing of a body after the fact, then my pick is Breaking Bad's acid bath. Except, I wouldn't have my characters use hydrofluoric acid, as that stuff is scary to work with as it is also a contact poison (even just a splash the size of your palm can be absorbed into the bloodstream and kill you). Also, there are better methods. If I were writing a fictional story, I'd use the Breaking Bad method, but instead of hydrofluoric acid I would use sodium hydroxide at a specific saturated solution level. And then you can use your bathtub. After, simply flush everything down the drain.
Then all you need to do is ensure you've been able to hide the actual crime scene, which is an entirely different topic.
Snrub wrote:
nomsheep wrote: Best way, walk up shoot em and leave em, no prints, no dna almost impossible to catch.
I've always wondered how effective that would be. I mean aside from the potential blood splatter there really is nothing to tie you to the crime is there?
Except for witnesses, security cameras, blood spatter, ballistics, GSR, footprints and trace DNA evidence (there will almost always be DNA evidence). Entomology will create a narrow timeframe, and the victim's background investigation will likely turn up possible motives to help narrow down the list of persons of interest.
whembly wrote:
Ma55ter_fett wrote: What about submerging the body in a block of concrete and then dumping said block into the sea?
ala... Jimmy Hoffa?
Jimmy Hoffa is rumoured to be buried underneath Renaissance Center in Detroit.
nomsheep wrote: Best way, walk up shoot em and leave em, no prints, no dna almost impossible to catch.
I've always wondered how effective that would be. I mean aside from the potential blood splatter there really is nothing to tie you to the crime is there?
Except for witnesses, security cameras, blood spatter, ballistics, GSR, footprints and trace DNA evidence (there will almost always be DNA evidence). Entomology will create a narrow timeframe, and the victim's background investigation will likely turn up possible motives to help narrow down the list of persons of interest.
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Busy space lots of dna around so very hard to pick up on what was the killer's. and to completely make sure it would have to random of course. gloves and a change of clothes. and just ditch the gun in a bin somewhere miles away.
Sneak some rat poison in his drinks, blow him up or take him out when he's sleeping.
I thought this thread was about disposing a body not making one. Though if we're moving into that range then I guess this could get even more..... v&able.
p_gray99 wrote: There's quite a simple option. Get someone you know but don't particularly like to become friends with you, and slowly start to brainwash them into thinking the person you want dead should be killed. Get them to the point where they will do anything to kill that person, then get a very good alibi while they go off and murder for you.
p_gray99 wrote: There's quite a simple option. Get someone you know but don't particularly like to become friends with you, and slowly start to brainwash them into thinking the person you want dead should be killed. Get them to the point where they will do anything to kill that person, then get a very good alibi while they go off and murder for you.
Conspiracy to commit murder.
Then when they are done get em to kill themselves?
nomsheep wrote: Best way, walk up shoot em and leave em, no prints, no dna almost impossible to catch.
I've always wondered how effective that would be. I mean aside from the potential blood splatter there really is nothing to tie you to the crime is there?
Except for witnesses, security cameras, blood spatter, ballistics, GSR, footprints and trace DNA evidence (there will almost always be DNA evidence). Entomology will create a narrow timeframe, and the victim's background investigation will likely turn up possible motives to help narrow down the list of persons of interest.
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Busy space lots of dna around so very hard to pick up on what was the killer's. and to completely make sure it would have to random of course. gloves and a change of clothes. and just ditch the gun in a bin somewhere miles away.
There are at least four major problems with this scenario, not counting the notion that "completely random" implies psychological preconditions rarely associated with careful planning.
Azazel. I can't help but notice that you are ruining our perfectly good thread with the knowledge you gain from your degree. Please cease and desist.
Altough i must thank you for explaining why the walk up and shoot them then walk away method is flawed. Still i would be interested to try it. Just to see how long it takes em to track me down.
What about Yogurt? Can't plain Yogurt destroy a body? I believe i read somewhere that that can happen if you use enough.
Eat the body or the Yogurt? Because i won't lie. I'm down for either at the moment since i haven't had brekky yet.
Lighten up Varon. This is Off Topic. Also this is disposal of bodies. Not how to make them. Although if those pathogens are of the voracious flesh eating kind you may have just killed 2 birds with one stone.
p_gray99 wrote: There's quite a simple option. Get someone you know but don't particularly like to become friends with you, and slowly start to brainwash them into thinking the person you want dead should be killed. Get them to the point where they will do anything to kill that person, then get a very good alibi while they go off and murder for you.
Conspiracy to commit murder.
Then when they are done get em to kill themselves?
Dunno about elsewhere, but here in Canada it's a crime to even suggest to someone they should kill themselves, even if they don't. Up to 13 years, by memory.
Of course that would require a witness to the act, or something.
Hey hey I think I'll go watch the X-File episode Pusher again
LoneLictor wrote:Apparently, in real life that can actually work. In cities like Detroit, with severe crime problems, over 66% of murders go unsolved.
Unfortunately, that is more a consequence of who is being murdered.
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Snrub wrote:Azazel. I can't help but notice that you are ruining our perfectly good thread with the knowledge you gain from your degree. Please cease and desist.
Altough i must thank you for explaining why the walk up and shoot them then walk away method is flawed. Still i would be interested to try it. Just to see how long it takes em to track me down.
What about Yogurt? Can't plain Yogurt destroy a body? I believe i read somewhere that that can happen if you use enough.
Respectively:
1. Very well.
2. I will assume that was a joke.
3. Full-fat yogurt, if ingested frequently and in copious quantities, and definitely ruin a body.
Sheesh... theres just no pleasing you people is there?
OK then how bout you go down to Cape Canaveral or whatever that place is called and slip the body under a rocket just before take off? Don't think there would be much of a body left after that inferno was through with it.
No, I actually eat people. Bones have to be crushed to dust somehow though.
Then you can make Jimmy Hoffa Jello! Now with extra Jimmy.
What about firing a body out of a massive cannon into space. Can't have a murder without a body right?
Really if you're going to go to all of that trouble just build yourself a furnace and incinerate the body there, they're not terribly expensive, and it's possible to make your own for a couple hundred, or buy one for a thousand or two.
Plus the security at Cape Canaveral would be a freaking nightmare to get a body through.
It's not so much a problem of people finding the body, the problem therefore becomes if the police link said body back to you.
As mentioned, making the body unidentifiable is a simple way to cover your tracks and a lot easier to accomplish than actual disposal. Burn off the finger prints, mangle the face, destroy any identifying marks, and burn the thing. Most physical evidence and DNA evidence is destroyed.
As stated, you then wait it out. Once DNA tests come back to identify the person (assuming they have DNA on file somewhere) most likely the cops will be swamped with other cases by then. No time for the ones that are actually hard to solve.
It also helps if you have no motive for the crime.
there was actually a case in Mexico where a cartel hired a guy just to dispose of bodies. he was called El Pozolero (the stew maker), his preferred method: dissolve the body in acid then bury the resulting goo in his backyard. the authorities are still uncertain how many and who his "clients" were. grim stuff, but effective none the less.
yeri wrote: there was actually a case in Mexico where a cartel hired a guy just to dispose of bodies. he was called El Pozolero (the stew maker), his preferred method: dissolve the body in acid then bury the resulting goo in his backyard. the authorities are still uncertain how many and who his "clients" were. grim stuff, but effective none the less.
Here I thought they just decapitated them and dumped them on the streets. Maybe 'El Pozolero' was part of a simpler time?
Chop it up into pieces (for eisier handling and reduction in size of containers), cover in quicklime to remove the flesh, put in concentrated acetic acid (vinegar) to remove the calcium from the bones then take what's left and burn it.
It was really wierd taking a bone out of acid and playing with it like it was one of those bendy dog toys.
yeri wrote:there was actually a case in Mexico where a cartel hired a guy just to dispose of bodies. he was called El Pozolero (the stew maker), his preferred method: dissolve the body in acid then bury the resulting goo in his backyard. the authorities are still uncertain how many and who his "clients" were. grim stuff, but effective none the less.
Not acid. A base. See my first post in the thread.
Easy E wrote: Once DNA tests come back to identify the person (assuming they have DNA on file somewhere) most likely the cops will be swamped with other cases by then. No time for the ones that are actually hard to solve.
This is all very well and good in a place with an obscene crime rate like the US. But somewhere like Australia where we only have 250ish murders a year trying to wait out the DNA tests and hoping the cops don't get back to you isn't so practical.
Easy E wrote: Once DNA tests come back to identify the person (assuming they have DNA on file somewhere) most likely the cops will be swamped with other cases by then. No time for the ones that are actually hard to solve.
This is all very well and good in a place with an obscene crime rate like the US. But somewhere like Australia where we only have 250ish murders a year trying to wait out the DNA tests and hoping the cops don't get back to you isn't so practical.
Hell all you have to do down under is bury the body somewhere in the outback, they'll never find it/the dingos will eat it
Easy E wrote: Once DNA tests come back to identify the person (assuming they have DNA on file somewhere) most likely the cops will be swamped with other cases by then. No time for the ones that are actually hard to solve.
This is all very well and good in a place with an obscene crime rate like the US. But somewhere like Australia where we only have 250ish murders a year trying to wait out the DNA tests and hoping the cops don't get back to you isn't so practical.
Hell all you have to do down under is bury the body somewhere in the outback, they'll never find it/the dingos will eat it
I thought it was the drop bears that'd take care of the evidence...
When in doubt, jet engines.
Thoose things are engineered to take a beating, and convert that beating into a fine red mist being thrown out of the engine's rear end.
It's quite hard to find out the identity of a person when that person amounts to little more than a gas.
If i have my math right, you could possibly make them commit sucide and then bury them in a cementary in unmarked graves. Problem is getting into an unmarked grave site, remove all identification before hand burn parts of the identity...
OR
You throw an animal trap at the person at a zoo, (Before hand turn off the cameras) person gets trapped seems like he tripped and died in the tiger exhibt with animal bait on him.
or
Destroy the body using liquid nitrogen and then burn the remains into ash. /done
Yeah, I remember that case in Australia where the shark ate it and then got caught.
However, frankly you guys are rank amateurs.
1) The great lakes are excellent dumping grounds for unwanted former associates. Too deep to dredge for bodies (unlike little lakes and reservoirs) and if you do it the right time of year, you don't have to worry about floaters. Plus there's no fish big enough to swallow enough of a given corpse to get caught and be identifiable.
2) You don't need a volcano if you have a Steel mill.
3) The best way though is to kill them in a way no one suspects it's a murder, or if they do, make it next to impossible to trace back to a given person. Put DMSO and Mercury on their shoe. Lace their cigs with pesticides commonly used in tobacco cultivation. Slip a druggy some barbiturates when they're out at the bar. Loosen the lids on the paint thinners and varnishes they keep in the basement. The list goes on, it's only limited by your creativity and understanding of the target.
KalashnikovMarine wrote:Hell all you have to do down under is bury the body somewhere in the outback, they'll never find it/the dingos will eat it
Incorrect Dingos only eat babies...........
BaronIveagh wrote:3) The best way though is to kill them in a way no one suspects it's a murder, or if they do, make it next to impossible to trace back to a given person. Put DMSO and Mercury on their shoe. Lace their cigs with pesticides commonly used in tobacco cultivation. Slip a druggy some barbiturates when they're out at the bar. Loosen the lids on the paint thinners and varnishes they keep in the basement. The list goes on, it's only limited by your creativity and understanding of the target.
yeri wrote: there was actually a case in Mexico where a cartel hired a guy just to dispose of bodies. he was called El Pozolero (the stew maker), his preferred method: dissolve the body in acid then bury the resulting goo in his backyard. the authorities are still uncertain how many and who his "clients" were. grim stuff, but effective none the less.
Here I thought they just decapitated them and dumped them on the streets. Maybe 'El Pozolero' was part of a simpler time?
that's when the cartels want to send a message, usually when the victim is involved in criminal activities. the government of Mexico seems to have this misconception that the only people being killed in the drug war are somehow involved in criminal activities. when they kill someone truely innocent like a bystander to a murder who tries to inform the police, then they send them to "El Pozolero".
azazel the cat wrote:
yeri wrote:there was actually a case in Mexico where a cartel hired a guy just to dispose of bodies. he was called El Pozolero (the stew maker), his preferred method: dissolve the body in acid then bury the resulting goo in his backyard. the authorities are still uncertain how many and who his "clients" were. grim stuff, but effective none the less.
Not acid. A base. See my first post in the thread.
I'm not sure what he used, CNBC just said he dissolved the bodies in big blue drums, and so I assumed acid.
My brother works for an insurance company as a claims adjuster. He had a case where a guy accidentally got shredded by a wood chipper.
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Okay here it is. The guy got his foot caught in the spinning drum that propels the wood through the chipper. it snagged him and fed him through. It chopped him up and the meat that remained liked like stringy ground beef. the only identifiable pieces of him were a dollar bill and the sole of the left shoe. Everything else was ground up like hamburger. There was red wood chips and ground meat in the back of the truck, It was a mess of blood and wood chips, but there were no bones to be found, and only tiny shreds of clothes. The pictures were amazing to see, and this description does not do the scene justice.
My brother works for an insurance company as a claims adjuster. He had a case where a guy accidentally got shredded by a wood chipper.
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Okay here it is. The guy got his foot caught in the spinning drum that propels the wood through the chipper. it snagged him and fed him through. It chopped him up and the meat that remained liked like stringy ground beef. the only identifiable pieces of him were a dollar bill and the sole of the left shoe. Everything else was ground up like hamburger. There was red wood chips and ground meat in the back of the truck, It was a mess of blood and wood chips, but there were no bones to be found, and only tiny shreds of clothes. The pictures were amazing to see, and this description does not do the scene justice.
The problem with that is that there's DNA all over the damn place and even the best cleanup doesn't get rid of all the chemical traces of blood. Having seen what happens to someone fed into one of those old time Oliver Superior manure spreaders (picture a giant cast iron chipper on steriods with spinning iron spikes and steel blades) it makes WAY too big a mess.
I'll leave this to the immortal Brick Top from 'Snatch'.....
Brick Top:You're always gonna have problems lifting a body in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together.
Sol: Would someone mind telling me, who are you?
Brick Top: And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig gak, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
Vinny: Well, thank you for that. That's a great weight off me mind. Now, if you wouldn't mind telling me who the feth you are, apart from someone who feeds people to pigs of course?
BaronIveagh wrote: The problem with that is that there's DNA all over the damn place and even the best cleanup doesn't get rid of all the chemical traces of blood. Having seen what happens to someone fed into one of those old time Oliver Superior manure spreaders (picture a giant cast iron chipper on steriods with spinning iron spikes and steel blades) it makes WAY too big a mess.
and that's why you have a few dozen gallons of Fuel (Petrol,Gasoline whatever you want to call it) on hand to do the cleanup for you.
DeathReaper wrote: and that's why you have a few dozen gallons of Fuel (Petrol,Gasoline whatever you want to call it) on hand to do the cleanup for you.
Setting something on fire is the worst thing you can do. If the police do come sniffing around, you might as well hang out a neon sign 'CSI - examine *this* closely'. And it's best to assume that the fire won't get everything, particularly since gas doesn't burn anywhere near hot enough to entirely obliterate human remains. You'd need something like white phosphorus or magnesium powder.
DeathReaper wrote: and that's why you have a few dozen gallons of Fuel (Petrol,Gasoline whatever you want to call it) on hand to do the cleanup for you.
Setting something on fire is the worst thing you can do. If the police do come sniffing around, you might as well hang out a neon sign 'CSI - examine *this* closely'. And it's best to assume that the fire won't get everything, particularly since gas doesn't burn anywhere near hot enough to entirely obliterate human remains. You'd need something like white phosphorus or magnesium powder.
Yeah, but that's why you cover the body in wood, and put some cedar branches on as well to disguise the scent.
Yeah, but that's why you cover the body in wood, and put some cedar branches on as well to disguise the scent.
It's not the smell, it's the fact you burned something. Even when you put someone through an 1100 degree incinerator, things get left behind. Teeth, bone fragments, stuff that can identified as human. if you burn a body in a big pile of wood, all you've done is make it take longer for them to find the evidence.
Yeah, but that's why you cover the body in wood, and put some cedar branches on as well to disguise the scent.
It's not the smell, it's the fact you burned something. Even when you put someone through an 1100 degree incinerator, things get left behind. Teeth, bone fragments, stuff that can identified as human. if you burn a body in a big pile of wood, all you've done is make it take longer for them to find the evidence.
Remove the teeth before burning then, bones will still burn if the temperature is high enough.
Remove the teeth before burning then, bones will still burn if the temperature is high enough.
And when they find the pins from the guy's thigh you didn't know about, or his titanium knee, or some other gak, you're screwed. If you have enough time to pull their teeth out, you have enough time to come up with a better plan.
Remove the teeth before burning then, bones will still burn if the temperature is high enough.
And when they find the pins from the guy's thigh you didn't know about, or his titanium knee, or some other gak, you're screwed. If you have enough time to pull their teeth out, you have enough time to come up with a better plan.
Honestly it doesn't matter if they know what the body is what matters for the murder is they can't identify who killed the person, just because you recognize the body doesn't mean you know what caused it's death.
Honestly it doesn't matter if they know what the body is what matters for the murder is they can't identify who killed the person, just because you recognize the body doesn't mean you know what caused it's death.
When was the last time the people disposing of the body had absolutely no connection to the person that did the deed?
Honestly it doesn't matter if they know what the body is what matters for the murder is they can't identify who killed the person, just because you recognize the body doesn't mean you know what caused it's death.
When was the last time the people disposing of the body had absolutely no connection to the person that did the deed?
Well, as long as the murderer doesn't get caught disposing the body and they can't find his/her DNA on the body then nobody has enough evidence to prove who did the murder.
I'm sure I'm not the only person finding this thread both entertaining and almost scary at how much the average Dakkaite knows about disposing of bodies and covering up murders...
Well, as long as the murderer doesn't get caught disposing the body and they can't find his/her DNA on the body then nobody has enough evidence to prove who did the murder.
You don't need to get caught disposing of the body for them to get enough evidence off a burned corpse for a conviction. Fibers from a car boot that matches yours found both at the murder scene and at the site of the disposal can tie you to the crime. People shed hairs all the time, as well as skin flakes.
I'll say again: the only sure fire way to murder someone is to kill them in a way that no one suspects it's a murder.
Well, as long as the murderer doesn't get caught disposing the body and they can't find his/her DNA on the body then nobody has enough evidence to prove who did the murder.
You don't need to get caught disposing of the body for them to get enough evidence off a burned corpse for a conviction. Fibers from a car boot that matches yours found both at the murder scene and at the site of the disposal can tie you to the crime. People shed hairs all the time, as well as skin flakes.
I'll say again: the only sure fire way to murder someone is to kill them in a way that no one suspects it's a murder.
Why would a murderer leave his car around the area he disposed the body wouldn't it make more sense to drive away from that area after you're done?
Why would a murderer leave his car around the area he disposed the body wouldn't it make more sense to drive away from that area after you're done?
You always want to assume the police will probably start looking at suspects, and might just go to your house to collect samples and look for evidence if they suspect you.
Why would a murderer leave his car around the area he disposed the body wouldn't it make more sense to drive away from that area after you're done?
You always want to assume the police will probably start looking at suspects, and might just go to your house to collect samples and look for evidence if they suspect you.
Who are they going to suspect? All they've found is a burnt body.
Who are they going to suspect? All they've found is a burnt body.
Cheesecat, no murder happens in a vacuum. (Yet, but space is big, after all..)
You have to get the gas. Gas has to come from someplace, and it does go bad, so stockpiling a huge amount is tough. Most people don't have enough petrol on hand to incinerate a body. So you have to get it someplace. That someplace likely, in the US, has several cameras.
Let's say the police find an incinerated body, with traces of petrol on it. What's the first thing they're going to think to do? See if anyone made an unusually large purchase of gasoline lately. Even if you bought it all under a fake name, they now have your face and your car make, even if you used a fake name and false plate.
Who are they going to suspect? All they've found is a burnt body.
Cheesecat, no murder happens in a vacuum. (Yet, but space is big, after all..)
You have to get the gas. Gas has to come from someplace, and it does go bad, so stockpiling a huge amount is tough. Most people don't have enough petrol on hand to incinerate a body. So you have to get it someplace. That someplace likely, in the US, has several cameras.
Let's say the police find an incinerated body, with traces of petrol on it. What's the first thing they're going to think to do? See if anyone made an unusually large purchase of gasoline lately. Even if you bought it all under a fake name, they now have your face and your car make, even if you used a fake name and false plate.
OK, I suppose you're right, I guess people will just have to look at other alternatives for disposing a body.
How to get rid of a body: Coastal Edition.
I live near the ocean, a great place for storing unwanteds. Now how to get the unwanteds into the ocean. I could use a boat, but alas Gps can probably track where you are. So to get around that i suggest getting a weather ballon, glow stick, a rifle with a scope, some cinder blocks for wieght and finally your victim. Tie the weather ballon to your victim, tie bricks to victim, tie glowstick to balloon, inflate and wave good bye to your flying friend. When you feel enough distance has passed or it's about out of range shoot the balloon(or balloons) and let that sucker drop. This could be done from land, or even while at sea on a boat.
fire4effekt wrote: How to get rid of a body: Coastal Edition.
I live near the ocean, a great place for storing unwanteds. Now how to get the unwanteds into the ocean. I could use a boat, but alas Gps can probably track where you are. So to get around that i suggest getting a weather ballon, glow stick, a rifle with a scope, some cinder blocks for wieght and finally your victim. Tie the weather ballon to your victim, tie bricks to victim, tie glowstick to balloon, inflate and wave good bye to your flying friend. When you feel enough distance has passed or it's about out of range shoot the balloon(or balloons) and let that sucker drop. This could be done from land, or even while at sea on a boat.
Not advocating, just brainstorming.
That's actually pretty creative... except, can a weather balloon carry that weight? If so, that's gotta be a big balloon, which isn't discreet.
fire4effekt wrote: How to get rid of a body: Coastal Edition.
I live near the ocean, a great place for storing unwanteds. Now how to get the unwanteds into the ocean. I could use a boat, but alas Gps can probably track where you are.
Just use an old boat. Nice thing about Lake Erie is it's cloudy so often, it makes it harder to get good sat images.
DeathReaper wrote: and that's why you have a few dozen gallons of Fuel (Petrol,Gasoline whatever you want to call it) on hand to do the cleanup for you.
Setting something on fire is the worst thing you can do. If the police do come sniffing around, you might as well hang out a neon sign 'CSI - examine *this* closely'. And it's best to assume that the fire won't get everything, particularly since gas doesn't burn anywhere near hot enough to entirely obliterate human remains. You'd need something like white phosphorus or magnesium powder.
Thermite will do the trick. Very easy to make a home, too. Just oxidized iron, aluminum (no I won't post the mixing ratio) and a strip of magnesium or tungsten to ignite it. But you're still better of using the first method I posted, as it is as absolute as you can really get with domestic resources and won't draw attention the way an aluminothermic reaction will.
Honestly it doesn't matter if they know what the body is what matters for the murder is they can't identify who killed the person, just because you recognize the body doesn't mean you know what caused it's death.
When was the last time the people disposing of the body had absolutely no connection to the person that did the deed?
Well, as long as the murderer doesn't get caught disposing the body and they can't find his/her DNA on the body then nobody has enough evidence to prove who did the murder.
Doesn't matter. You're just going to be an accessory after the fact anyway, and that's still a lot of jailtime.
fire4effekt wrote:How to get rid of a body: Coastal Edition.
I live near the ocean, a great place for storing unwanteds. Now how to get the unwanteds into the ocean. I could use a boat, but alas Gps can probably track where you are. So to get around that i suggest getting a weather ballon, glow stick, a rifle with a scope, some cinder blocks for wieght and finally your victim. Tie the weather ballon to your victim, tie bricks to victim, tie glowstick to balloon, inflate and wave good bye to your flying friend. When you feel enough distance has passed or it's about out of range shoot the balloon(or balloons) and let that sucker drop. This could be done from land, or even while at sea on a boat.
Not advocating, just brainstorming.
It'll eventually wash ashore; speaking nothing of the massive publicity stunt you're creating in the process.
Tibbsy wrote:I'm sure I'm not the only person finding this thread both entertaining and almost scary at how much the average Dakkaite knows about disposing of bodies and covering up murders...
I actually have a degree in this sorta thing. It gives one a very specific and rarely-useful skillset.
Thermite will do the trick. Very easy to make a home, too. Just oxidized iron, aluminum (no I won't post the mixing ratio) and a strip of magnesium or tungsten to ignite it. But you're still better of using the first method I posted, as it is as absolute as you can really get with domestic resources and won't draw attention the way an aluminothermic reaction will.
Aluminum powder works best, but shavings will do in a pinch. If you're in a really big hurry and have a good asbestos glove, you can ignite it with a pencil torch or model rocket engine.
Again though, I prefer avoiding fire. It just draws too much attention.
It'll eventually wash ashore; speaking nothing of the massive publicity stunt you're creating in the process.
Depends on weather conditions. Nice, deep, fresh water that freezes over in winter but doesn't freeze all the way to the bottom is great. Dump em with a little weight when it just begins to freeze over and the body will never be found.
I actually have a degree in this sorta thing. It gives one a very specific and rarely-useful skillset.
Never met anyone with a degree in it, most of my 'instructors' got along with what might be called 'practical experience' or 'on the job training'. Used to be a shallow grave and some lye in a French vegetable garden would do if you needed to make a body disappear. Now it's all very modern.
Where does one get a degree in this sort of thing? Russia? Italy? Afghanistan?
DeathReaper wrote: and that's why you have a few dozen gallons of Fuel (Petrol,Gasoline whatever you want to call it) on hand to do the cleanup for you.
Setting something on fire is the worst thing you can do. If the police do come sniffing around, you might as well hang out a neon sign 'CSI - examine *this* closely'. And it's best to assume that the fire won't get everything, particularly since gas doesn't burn anywhere near hot enough to entirely obliterate human remains. You'd need something like white phosphorus or magnesium powder.
I know the fire wont burn anywhere near hot enough to entirely obliterate human remains.
Did you miss my description of the disposal? I saw this first hand, and there literally was nothing left to identify. No bones to speak of, nothing.
1: Dress the corpse up as slave Leah regardless of the corpses gender
2: Create a life sized plaster mold of Han Solo entombed in carbonate.
3: Entomb corpse in concrete, use mold to shape concrete into a life sized replica of solo in carbonate
4: Gift and deliver the replica to an unsuspecting chump through Craigslist free section, be sure to use a false name from a burner phone.
5: Wait 5 years
6: Send in anon letter to police saying you were kidnapped forced to perform sex acts while dressed up as slave Leah at the address of the new owner, and he threatened to entomb your corpse in a Han Solo in Carbonate replica.
rodgers37 wrote: Surely the easiest way is to find some cannibals?
I'm sure they'd be happy to 'dispose' of a freshly deceased body for you...
Think of how tired you are of leftover Thanksgiving turkey by now and add 100+ lbs of it and tripe organs then you will just begin to understand how much of a pain in the ass it is to dispose of a body through cannibalism...
rodgers37 wrote: Surely the easiest way is to find some cannibals?
I'm sure they'd be happy to 'dispose' of a freshly deceased body for you...
Think of how tired you are of leftover Thanksgiving turkey by now and add 100+ lbs of it and tripe organs then you will just begin to understand how much of a pain in the ass it is to dispose of a body through cannibalism...
If you get a group of cannibals though. They must have meet ups from time to time? If they have some pigs even better
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