From their fb page. Looks like they got a lot for this year. Bet their forums said "finally" for their survivors

We here at Wargames Factory wish you all a very Happy New Year! Thank you for your support throughout 2012, & we look forward to an exciting 2013. Here is a sneak peek at one of our Apocalypse Survivors, coming the 1st quarter of the new year. Also upcoming in 2013 will be the DreamForge Crusaders and Eisenkern, as well as 28mm WWII Russians, 15mm WWII US and our updated Skeleton Warriors... and lots more yet to be announced!

Looks good.

Glad to see WGF are continuing to improve.

Ya know, I thought they sucked pretty hard for the first few years, but I recently picked up their Orcs kit and the WSS plastics... and they are fantastic. I assembled the Orcs with Persian bows to use as Sniffs in KoW, and I'm going to be using WGF WSS exclusively for a Blenheim project I'm doing. I've been duped for years by their godawful paint jobs until I actually got some in person.

Yep, they've improved a lot over time. It was initially due to the quality of the sculpts going in, and not the manufacturing process (as their work with Dreamforge has proven quite well). All they really need now is to get a really good professional painter to do some exhibition works for them to show off their new models.

It will be interesting to see how well the 28mm WWII Russians come out. If they come out nicely, and are compatible, I foresee this to be a good year for IG players, especially with the Dreamforge models in the mix. WGF may be printing themselves free money in 2013.

2013 is going to be such a good year for us!

I assembled of their Zulus last week, trying to force myself to get the last of them built. I sure hope their new stuff is much better than those...

Aside from the brim of his hat looking awfully thick and the left hand looking a bit stiff (yes, probably done because of modular weapons), it looks okay.

The Dreamforge stuff shows what WGF is really capable of...its all nothing short of spectacular. Paired with good designers the WGF guys can make amazing stuff. Anyone who has doubts about them needs to check out the Dreamforge kickstarter & thread.

Yes, best thing they ever did was work with Dreamforge . Apparently it was their designs, not manufacturing, holding them back.

Interested to see these apocalyptic survivors. Could end up making good conscripts/penal legion/ cultists/ etc.

I need to find a good UK-based free-shipping 10%-off stockist of their stuff.

Well, again, their Orcs are great, so are all the War of Spanish Succession figures, and all the far east/samurai stuff.

WGF just seems to be getting better and better. I returned one of their earlier kits, but their newer stuff is great. I especially like the orcs and the samurai. Their 15mm WW2 stuff is a bit small for that scale, but it's still pretty good. That sheriff/state tropper fella actually looks like a real person with real proportions.

The head on that cop figure is hilariously large. Other than that I like it.

Hope to see some other stuff soon.

~Eric

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

It will be interesting to see how well the 28mm WWII Russians come out. If they come out nicely, and are compatible, I foresee this to be a good year for IG players, especially with the Dreamforge models in the mix. WGF may be printing themselves free money in 2013.

I assume they'll most likely be the same scale as their other ww2 stuff which is more truescale I believe.

Yeah their scale looks good on its own. I've got 28mm germans from warlord and wargames factory, and the difference between the two is quite surprising.

Wgf is very truescale, with VERY FLIMSY weapons. Other than that they look pretty good, and you get an insane mount of parts per box.

Warlord has a more "heroic" scale, with chunkier minis and much more sturdy weapons.

Another peek



I am generally curious though with all the different possible clothes on how swappable all the parts are without looking weird

Do these come prepainted/based?

primalexile wrote:
Do these come prepainted/based?

Probably not pre painted. The only thing I have heard about pre painted wgf is their 15mm line and that hasnt been brought up too much

Also probably not based. Wgf models have had a foot base before but they dropped that after a while (and not to mention all the complaints about those)

 kenshin620 wrote:
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I am generally curious though with all the different possible clothes on how swappable all the parts are without looking weird

They look like the bodies are one piece, with seperate arms and heads, which would line up with how their WWII Germans are done. You get 3 sprues with 10 different bodies on each (they are all identical sprues)

What they probably did was keep the torso/leg combined bodies and then just gave a truckload of arms, heads, and bitz, which I would be totally cool with. If the detail is any good, this could be an awesome kit for making any number of things. Variety of weapons for cultists, militia, conscripts, etc, as well as tons of different looks for cheap characters with RPG's and whatnot. I might end up getting a box of these if the price is right (which odds are, it will be)

Yes, these seem to be a few parsecs ahead of the shock(ing) troopers.

Will pick some up next time I am in Boston or something.

That's a really nice looking miniature. He looks like a guy in suit with a gun.

Maybe because he is?

 BrookM wrote:
Maybe because he is?

Perhaps what he means though is that he could easily be used as CIA or Secret Service/etc miniature with little to no problem

MrMoustaffa has the right idea, depending just how well made these are that this set could have a lot more uses than just zombies

I mean, he actually looks like a guy in a suit with a gun and not a cartoon caricature of one. The miniature looks exactly like what it is representing with good proportions and detail. It's not a silly comic book version either.

Yeah, these survivors look really good. I felt that their previous offerings were good for the price, but these guys appear to be top notch offerings.

Surprised they don't have a faster increasing range of 28mm WWII. Thought there would be a demand for it with Bolt Action starting to get some popularity.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Surprised they don't have a faster increasing range of 28mm WWII. Thought there would be a demand for it with Bolt Action starting to get some popularity.

It would come up in competition with the Warlord range though, I feel as their best sellers are those that don't have a direct competitor, i.e. War of Spanish Succession, Samurai et al.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Surprised they don't have a faster increasing range of 28mm WWII. Thought there would be a demand for it with Bolt Action starting to get some popularity.

It would come up in competition with the Warlord range though, I feel as their best sellers are those that don't have a direct competitor, i.e. War of Spanish Succession, Samurai et al.

Competition, but bigger market. Especially for 28mm plastic WW2, not exactly a whole lot of companies doing that.

Could potentially be a PSC of 28mm WWII.

I bought a set of their US GIs a while back, surprising good, a more true representation of a soldier than bold action. But their poses are rather... meh. Feel like Bag-O-Army men style.

 Piston Honda wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Surprised they don't have a faster increasing range of 28mm WWII. Thought there would be a demand for it with Bolt Action starting to get some popularity.

It would come up in competition with the Warlord range though, I feel as their best sellers are those that don't have a direct competitor, i.e. War of Spanish Succession, Samurai et al.

Competition, but bigger market. Especially for 28mm plastic WW2, not exactly a whole lot of companies doing that.

Could potentially be a PSC of 28mm WWII.

I bought a set of their US GIs a while back, surprising good, a more true representation of a soldier than bold action. But their poses are rather... meh. Feel like Bag-O-Army men style.

Germans are the same. They feel very "true scale", but the weapons are very thin and brittle. I don't know how the american kit is, but the German one has an insane amount of weapons and bitz. I believe there was something like 6 sniper rifles, 10 panzerfausts, and 8 MG 42's. A single box of WGF troops gets you all the infantry weapons you need for an army 3 times the size of what comes in the box

If only it came with STG 44's...

 kenshin620 wrote:
Another peek

He really looks like Tommy Lee Jones in MIB. I demand a Will Smith!

 MrMoustaffa wrote:


If only it came with STG 44's...

Hey I wish wgf americans actually came with bazookas so warlord has an edge over that

Yea yea some sort of organizational historical reasonings blah blah blah

Nice models. I might have to pick up a few for the zombie table top war game I am currently designing. If anyone is interested you can download the rule set for free, I could use some feedback as it is a work in progress.

Bio Syndrome Google Community free download page
https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/108863897726135327206/stream/96e11d1b-6e44-4604-9860-5929bcc4f8ac

Plugging your game in another's News thread? Not cool.

Sweet! Zombie survival reservoir dogs!

Between my Coppelstone, HasselFree, and misc collection with these added I am gonna end up with my more survivors then Zombies.

A bit off the topic of the survivors, apparently WGF was responsible for creating Catalyst Game Lab's Leviathan Ship Game. Due to the partnership they have some boxes of the core game in their webstore

http://wargamesfactory.com/announcements/catalyst-game-labs-leviathans-core-box-set

They sure are ramping up production of other people's stuffs. Wonder who else might go to them

Can anyone recommend a good zombie survival rule set? I have a feeling it's something the missus will dig. A cool survivor pack and the load of fantasy zombies I already have would be a great gateway game.

 -Loki- wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good zombie survival rule set? I have a feeling it's something the missus will dig. A cool survivor pack and the load of fantasy zombies I already have would be a great gateway game.

All things zombie is pretty good, as is All Flesh must be eaten ( though AFMBE is more "rpgish")
I've also heard good things about No more room in hell, but have yet to check the rules out.

As for these miniatures...soon as they're up for sale I'll be getting some for sure.

2013 would be great if they made some larger scale male zombies to go with the Zombie Vixens box set. The current zombie box is a good try, but very small, like 28/true28 Foundry size.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 -Loki- wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good zombie survival rule set? I have a feeling it's something the missus will dig. A cool survivor pack and the load of fantasy zombies I already have would be a great gateway game.

http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/product-category/7ombietv/

 chris_valera wrote:
2013 would be great if they made some larger scale male zombies to go with the Zombie Vixens box set. The current zombie box is a good try, but very small, like 28/true28 Foundry size.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Most of their stuff is that way though. All of their 28mm WWII stuff for example is very "truescale", and looks a bit small compared to other companies.

On its own though, it usually looks really good with no issues. It's just when you start putting them next to Warlord figs or something the differences become very obvious

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:
2013 would be great if they made some larger scale male zombies to go with the Zombie Vixens box set. The current zombie box is a good try, but very small, like 28/true28 Foundry size.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Most of their stuff is that way though. All of their 28mm WWII stuff for example is very "truescale", and looks a bit small compared to other companies.

On its own though, it usually looks really good with no issues. It's just when you start putting them next to Warlord figs or something the differences become very obvious

Well it is a bit strange though that their female zombies are notably taller

Not to mention their original zombies are really old so have some of the worst details

 chris_valera wrote:
2013 would be great if they made some larger scale male zombies to go with the Zombie Vixens box set. The current zombie box is a good try, but very small, like 28/true28 Foundry size.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Agreed, their male zombies are a bit on the small side when side by side with the vixens, however, the new studio miniature plastic zombies ( all male) size up nicely next to the wgf female zeds.

Both previews look very good, might get a box for some custom survivors for Zombicide. I have both some of their older kits (Greatcoat troopers and some Vikings) and newer (WW2 Americans and Germans) and I can say that their quality has improved greatly, and these preview figures look to be of the same quality of their WW2 range so far.

 -Loki- wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good zombie survival rule set? I have a feeling it's something the missus will dig. A cool survivor pack and the load of fantasy zombies I already have would be a great gateway game.

All Things Zombie is good, and if you want a fun tongue-in-cheek take on it, Xtreme Zombie Hunter is good. Not sure if it is still available though.

~Eric

Hmm interesting. A man on TMP must have seen production shots or something, gave some little extra tid bits about the set

I can confirm that there's 12 AK rifles, most without attached arms, in the Wargames Factory survivor box. Theres a sprue of bodies, arms, heads, and weapons, and a separate sprue with more arms and weapons than I would have expected. My jaw dropped. While I haven't signed an NDA I think I should keep the rest under wraps.

These figures look great, and I want to be excited about them, but they are literally years behind on producing them.

It's been something like 18 months since Lonnie officially announced they were doing them and that was a year or so after they unofficially started, and even this was announced in January and it's March now.

I'll do a little happy dance when they are actually released, and probably buy more of them than I'll actually ever use.

I remember when they 1st talking about doing these. I really wished they went for a look that would of allowed them to stand in as irregular militants/freedom fighters/terrorists and post apoc survivors ah-la fall out. This kinda seems like it will be bassicly a collection of models for use as NPC's and PC's in modern setting RPG's.

I just got my copy of Zpocalypse. Wargames Factory zombie Vixens and Survivors will be replacing the models as soon as they are released. In the mean time I think my Zombicide collection will be pulling double duty.

 adamsouza wrote:
These figures look great, and I want to be excited about them, but they are literally years behind on producing them.

Looks like they might be getting released sooner than you think...

(A few of the responses by Wargames factory to questions about the kit from their Facebook page.)

-when can we buy this set?-
This kit will be up for sale soon- stay tuned for sprue pics as well. Thanks!

-How many models per box? -
30 Figures per Kit, Brad. Thanks!

-No women?! Why?-
The Women are getting their own kit, as they well deserve, Thanks!

My earlier reservations are pretty much gone.

These look good (although the trooper's head still looks large) and I love the fact that there is a kid in there too. Not something that we see too often.

I will definitely be picking these up. Looking forward to seeing the ladies.

~Eric

I actually love them all except the first two that we saw previewed! Lots and lots of variety with it, the addition of a kid is also very cool!

Is it just me or does this look like a one-pose kit. I don't see much potential for arm or torso swaps.

That being said they look good and better than a multi part kit might but still...

Love that one with the coat, might not look out of place in some more sci fi games

WOW! !!

It looks like it may have been worth the wait.

They look nice but no females?

Jehan-reznor wrote:They look nice but no females?

Mr Gutsy wrote:
-No women?! Why?-
The Women are getting their own kit, as they well deserve, Thanks!

 kenshin620 wrote:

Jehan-reznor wrote:They look nice but no females?

Mr Gutsy wrote:
-No women?! Why?-
The Women are getting their own kit, as they well deserve, Thanks!

I have to laugh at the chubby fellow wearing flip-flops, though - he's gonna die first, unless he snags some shoes!

Anyway, those sculpts are amazing - some of the most realistic I have seen recently. Hard to believe this is the same company that brought us the Shock Troopers.

The Shock Troopers were DesignByCommittee under the guidance of Tony Reidy.

*poot*

Since his departure we've gotten the phenomenal Samurai and Ashigaru kits, the plastic WSS artillery (which honestly put all other metal/resin artillery I've seen to shame), the highly detailed Zombie Vixens and WW2 Us & Germans (in 15 and 28mm), Zombie survivors...

I don't think any of the of the original Wargames Factory crew survived the hostile takeover. The original digital sculptor just wasn't as talented as the current one.

The big guy is awesome, but I do hope he has at least another option, other than flip flops and shorts.

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Contents of each box are three of the survivor sprues and one of the weapons sprue for $20.

I expect the weapons sprue to be very popular from their bits section on their website.

I can confirm I'll be getting a set!

Jake

Crossbow, Cricket bat, chainsaw... It's good to know all that time we spent data mining and arguing over the weapon contents didn't go to waste, they actually listened.

Very nice! This is the first WGF set I've wanted in a long while. I remember posting repeatedly to the related WGF thread years ago.
Really a good example of giving the public what they want.

I have my concerns about the body and legs being one piece, but there's lots of room for customizing with heads and arms so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. A followup set with females would be great!

Eilif wrote:
Very nice! This is the first WGF set I've wanted in a long while. I remember posting repeatedly to the related WGF thread years ago.
Really a good example of giving the public what they want.

I have my concerns about the body and legs being one piece, but there's lots of room for customizing with heads and arms so it shouldn't be too much of an issue. A followup set with females would be great!

They stated the female sprue is in tooling right now and is a few months away. This is officially "Zombie Survivors: The Men" set.

judgedoug: you forgot to mention the stellar job they did on DFG's stuff too.

As the women come out, I'll definitely grab a set of survivors of both sex and zombies too. Though I heard the original zombie kit is iffy?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
judgedoug: you forgot to mention the stellar job they did on DFG's stuff too.

As the women come out, I'll definitely grab a set of survivors of both sex and zombies too. Though I heard the original zombie kit is iffy?

Original set is pretty crappy. That was amongst their first releases. Rather fill the modern zombie ranks with a bag o zombies or zombicide zombies or studio miniatures zombies

'bag-o-zombies' are too small to fit in.

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
judgedoug: you forgot to mention the stellar job they did on DFG's stuff too.

As the women come out, I'll definitely grab a set of survivors of both sex and zombies too. Though I heard the original zombie kit is iffy?

Original set is pretty crappy. That was amongst their first releases. Rather fill the modern zombie ranks with a bag o zombies or zombicide zombies or studio miniatures zombies

Bag o zombies are too small.

The original zombies are kinda bleah but if you can get them for 25% off or more, they are worth it. Maybe mix with some Mantic zombie bits.

CptJake wrote:
'bag-o-zombies' are too small to fit in.

iIt is true that they are 25mm figs. However, but if you leave on the thick bases the come attached too and glue that on top of regular miniatures bases or washers, it can bring them up around the height of most current 28mm figs. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a nice way to make zombies fast to fill a horde. My preference is not to use them alone, but to use them along side other zombie figs. I painted up about 20 or so of them a couple years back to help fill out the hordes for our annual Halloween Zombie game. By this year other club members had painted up enough unique zombie figs that I was able to give them away to a local gamer.

Here's a picture from one of our game two years ago. Not the best clarity, but it shows how they (the ones dragging their right foot and extending their left arm) look next to other zombie figs.

The WGF Zombies aren't terrible. Mixed in with other zombies they wouldn't be bad .I made the mistake of buying 10 boxes of them when they came out, and I never used more than a single box worth.

I have , and use, over a thousand ZOMBIES!!! by twilight. Regular, Babes, Clowns, Dogs, Children, and 6 types from Humans. The scale is a little smaller, than say zombicide, but they are just generic fodder you use in hordes.

The amount of spare guns there is impressive. That gun sprue will be very popular I think. Tons of great weapons on it. Hope they offer it individually at some point.

Eilif wrote:

CptJake wrote:
'bag-o-zombies' are too small to fit in.

This is true. They are 25mm figs. However, but if you leave on the thick bases the come attached too and glue that on top of regular miniatures bases or washers, it can bring them up around the height of most current 28mm figs. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a nice way to make zombies fast to fill a horde. My preference is not to use them alone, but to use them along side other zombie figs. I painted up about 20 or so of them a couple years back to help fill out the hordes for our annual Halloween Zombie game. By this year other club members had painted up enough unique zombie figs that I was able to give them away to a local gamer.

Here's a picture from one of our game two years ago. Not the best clarity, but it shows how they (the ones dragging their right foot and extending their left arm) look next to other zombie figs.
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Honestly, I can easily pick them out because of the size difference, they look like kids to me. I guess that is not a bad thing but I am going to avoid using them, between the size and the limited pose they are just not for me.

I do have some of the Wargames Factory in my horde. As mentioned, they are not the best but I thought they painted up decently. Some of the ones in the center of this part of the horde are WF figures.

Yeah, if they were to be removed and put back on the table in droves... I wouldn't mind. I'm done trying to paint dioramas or competition pieces.

Here's some shots of the Wargames Factory old (2009?) zombie release. See, they're not bad, and definitely worth 25 cents apiece or whatever.

http://wargamesfactory.com/announcements/andrew-taylor-does-zombies


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Another old review: http://thescreamingalpha.com/?p=1322

The Fat Guy Zombie, on the left, looks like the Fat guy survivor

Not a zombie fan, but these still look very interesting, particularly if the weapon sprue is available seperately.

Dammit, no fire axes? Now how am I supposed to make Axe Cop for Zombicide?

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Dammit, no fire axes? Now how am I supposed to make Axe Cop for Zombicide?

Good catch! A lack of fire axe is disappointing. I wonder if it'll be on the lady sprues.

And there should be a figure in a cat suit so I can game Axe Cop killing bad guys while they sleep.

Those look amazing. I will end up grabbing some...

Im still dreaming with the similar kit for fantasy adventurers...

 adamsouza wrote:

Holy crap, those are some nice minis. Hard plastic, loaded with options and dirt cheap, too! *drools*

Yeah.. I don't need 30 survivors myself.. but if I can buy 1 sprue of the people and a scattering of spare weapons from the other sprue off someone, I would in a heartbeat.

I was actually thinking of getting a box of the female zombies, and a box of these and trying to find someone to split them with since I don't need a complete box of either.

The hard part of this set is it only has one weapons sprue if the post above is correct, that makes it harder to split.

Jake

Yes, but there are plenty of weapons on the body sprue already.. I count 24 arms for 10 bodies.. I don't know if that is 12 arm sets, though..

I understand that, still makes it harder to split the pack though. You'll have to agree to who gets what and probably split up some of the weapon sprue. Do-able, but harder than if it came with an even number of of the sprues.

I do hope I can find someone to split with though.

Jake

 porkuslime wrote:
Yeah.. I don't need 30 survivors myself.. but if I can buy 1 sprue of the people and a scattering of spare weapons from the other sprue off someone, I would in a heartbeat.

Is it even worth splitting? I mean $20 MSRP for a box, so about $15 from most online discounters.

Yeah, these guys are an incredible bargain. Even if you don't want to use them all as survivors (or gangers, or police, or whatever), a little cutting and greenstuff makes them zombies.

My mind is still blown at the quality/price for these.

$20 to make 30 survivors who to be fair, look as good as any hasslefree, studio mini or zombicide survivor...

I'm absolutely frothing at the mouth for this kit to be released.
Really hope the Female survivors won't be far behind ( Also hope they won't just consist of "Playboy ceterfolds with guns").

Also wondering if anyone might know how well the Studio Miniatures plastics (zombies) might match up with the WGF Male Zombie kit?
I got 80 of the Studio Miniatures plastics and have a ton of bitz left over and figured they might ( if compatiable) improve the WGF males.

Dunno about Studio Miniatures zombies, but Wargames Factory confirmed on FB they are to the same scale as their other kits, to which someone replied "Romans with AK-47's" which has gotten me thinking...

 judgedoug wrote:
Dunno about Studio Miniatures zombies, but Wargames Factory confirmed on FB they are to the same scale as their other kits, to which someone replied "Romans with AK-47's" which has gotten me thinking...

That reminded me of this picture I saw today:

lol.

Although, if you have too many survivors in one box, I guess yu could mix them in with spare zombie parts and bring the whole thing up a notch.

Or you could give each character various load outs for campaigns. So your cop model can be armed with a pistol on one model and an AK-47 on the other.

 kenshin620 wrote:

Well it is a bit strange though that their female zombies are notably taller

Not to mention their original zombies are really old so have some of the worst details

I like the taller female zombies, I just need the men to go with it.

The smaller male zombies are fine if you're into Foundry-scale stuff, it's just that all the detail didn't translate. It's fine for what it is, and the cost, I just need big GW-scale zombies.

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Contents of each box are three of the survivor sprues and one of the weapons sprue for $20.

I expect the weapons sprue to be very popular from their bits section on their website.

Oh wow, these look very nice indeed.

Mr Gutsy wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
These figures look great, and I want to be excited about them, but they are literally years behind on producing them.

Looks like they might be getting released sooner than you think...

(A few of the responses by Wargames factory to questions about the kit from their Facebook page.)

-when can we buy this set?-
This kit will be up for sale soon- stay tuned for sprue pics as well. Thanks!

-How many models per box? -
30 Figures per Kit, Brad. Thanks!

-No women?! Why?-
The Women are getting their own kit, as they well deserve, Thanks!

Yeah, look at those bits. Very nice indeed.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
judgedoug: you forgot to mention the stellar job they did on DFG's stuff too.

As the women come out, I'll definitely grab a set of survivors of both sex and zombies too. Though I heard the original zombie kit is iffy?

The original zombie kit is indeed iffy. They're very small and not very detail, but you can't beat them for the price. You may want to go with Zombie Vixens for large-scale zombies, someone said Studio Miniatures zombies are good, but I'm not sure I like the look of them, and I'm not sure how big they are.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:
The original zombie kit is indeed iffy. They're very small and not very detail, but you can't beat them for the price. You may want to go with Zombie Vixens for large-scale zombies, someone said Studio Miniatures zombies are good, but I'm not sure I like the look of them, and I'm not sure how big they are.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I disagree with the Zombie vixens being large-scale. I am looking at some sprues right now and they are basically true 28's with very slight features (no big heads or hamfists)

 judgedoug wrote:
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I disagree with the Zombie vixens being large-scale. I am looking at some sprues right now and they are basically true 28's with very slight features (no big heads or hamfists)

Really? I saw a pic online, and they look bigger than GW's zombies, by about a mm or so.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I disagree with the Zombie vixens being large-scale. I am looking at some sprues right now and they are basically true 28's with very slight features (no big heads or hamfists)

Really? I saw a pic online, and they look bigger than GW's zombies, by about a mm or so.

http://wargameterrain.blogspot.be/2012/09/wargames-factory-zombie-vixens.html

Yeah, here's the pic, her arms are thin, but she towers over the new IG

Here's another site that has a review of the scale:

http://roebeast.blogspot.com/2012/08/wargames-factory-zombie-vixens.html

One dakkadakka review mentions the size on page 2:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/467241.page

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

One thing I'll warn everyone about here. If these guys are the same scale as their WWII Germans in 28mm, they're going to be very "slim" compared to GW minis. Their weapons will also be very thin, and prone to breaking if you're not careful.

After fiddling around with the Germans, I learned pretty quickly why Warlord and GW go for a more "chunky" heroic scale.

That said, I'll probably get a box just for the massive amount of weapons. Just imagine all the stuff you could use those for. I bet they'll still make great cultists, rebels, militia, or other types of minis, as long as you're clever about what bits you use.

I'm comparing the vixens to some Warlord shotte right now... 4 bodies are very tall and the zombies would be as tall with heads as the walking musketeers. A few more are slightly shorter, and then the rest are pretty small. So, yes, there are several zombie fashion models but the rest are just fine. Plus it's hard to beat the price (since there's 11 models per sprue, so 33 models in the box)

 judgedoug wrote:
I'm comparing the vixens to some Warlord shotte right now... 4 bodies are very tall and the zombies would be as tall with heads as the walking musketeers. A few more are slightly shorter, and then the rest are pretty small. So, yes, there are several zombie fashion models but the rest are just fine. Plus it's hard to beat the price (since there's 11 models per sprue, so 33 models in the box)

How many are walkers and how many are crawlers.

edit: found my answer: 30 mulipart female zombie figures + 6 bonus crawlers per box

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Ah, yup, there's a crawling torso I didn't even notice!

As to the Studio zombies, they are pretty much legs/torso attached to base. Arms and heads are there for variety.

Scale is on line with Wargames factory with the addition of the base, which is around 3-4 mm to add to the head to toe height of the figure. The size of the mini as compared to a "Last Night on Earth" game zombie is smaller, based on the size of the base on the game piece.
Wargames factory zombies, first run, are smaller then both, but not by much.( maybe a mm or two.) The zombies themselves work alongside each other, but the bases kill it if you were to use them alongside each other.

I have all three.

The bases would need to go if you were to interchange stuff on them. Studio Mini's zombies are very detaled, compared to the others. Wargames zombies are excellent if you need a lot of them.
you could easily interchange stuff on both if you want variety.

Grind off the bases, if you want to get down to brass tacks.

I'll be getting some vixens by the end of the week or so. I'll get some pictures up here, alongside a Mantic one. ( Trying toget some of those zombies up for the Judge Dredd thing, in between a gak load of other projects.)

 Grot 6 wrote:
As to the Studio zombies, they are pretty much legs/torso attached to base. Arms and heads are there for variety.

See, that's the thing, the Studio Miniatures ones look small too. I want big zombies, like the Zombie Vixens. Wargames Factory just said on their facebook that the male zombies are up for a redo.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

So much awesome your head will explode

Man the amount of shoutouts in those pictures is awesome.

Best thing is that you can now literally throw the book at a zombie now!

That, or the obvious Shaun of the Dead homage with the guy with the cricket bat.

Might have to convert the kid to have a police hat...
These look really good. Will definitely be picking up a set.


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Might have to convert the kid to have a police hat...
These look really good. Will definitely be picking up a set.


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Might have to convert the kid to have a police hat...
These look really good. Will definitely be picking up a set.

The survivor in the white vest looks like Steven Seagal... that makes it awesome! They should make a Dirty Harry inspired miniature next.

I don't have the pictures, yet.
But the looks of the zombies is going to be determined by the base you use. Of the three, it is looking hard that I'll be using the standard 25mm base, either slotted or unslotted.

Each of the figures comes with plastic disks of various degrees, and in that- they adda couple of mm's to the respective models.

The older wargames factory zombies are indeed in need of a slight size increase, by a mm-2 to go along with the ladies. Studio's zombies are in a crunch with the built in gaming token base. they added some of the disks, but the figures themselves are cast with a smallish chunkof base of about 2-2 1?2 mm's that adds some false height to the figures. Detail is fantastic, but the body/leg combo only gives you limit in heads and arms combos.

They're out now

Though slight price increase from previous sets, $22



http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/dark-futures/apocalypse-survivors-men

A 10% price increase!!! Those meshuggeneh mamzers! They're just like GW!


Honestly, I think $22 for 30 minis with lots of options is still a steal. I just hope WGF never tries to find out how much they can actually charge for their sets and still "get away" with it.

I ordered a set. I'll post my thoughts on them once I get them.

Somebody should do an open box review of them here soon. I look forward to seeing what these guys look like "in the real world" outside of professional photographs.

Tends to give you a more realistic idea of what the figures will be like...

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Somebody should do an open box review of them here soon. I look forward to seeing what these guys look like "in the real world" outside of professional photographs.

Tends to give you a more realistic idea of what the figures will be like...

I'm also waiting for that. It's an odd set because the bodies are so different in clothing and even in size so it looks like not all arms can go with all bodies. Also the sample pics don't seem to have any shoulder seams, I'd love to see how they did that with some of the action poses and if an ordinary modeller can do as well. And some are very specific, I can see me using one priest, but three? I think they were thinking more along the lines of them all being the same character but with different gear.

It looks like a sure buy though. I just wish there were more cop bodies so I could make a mod of security/police guys. I don't see any other body that would work except maybe a suit or two for detectives/officers.

They are not yet listed on the Warstore but I just emailed them to see if they can get them.

Hmm MM just got them. Quite fast I must say

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/wgfdf003.html

Also... no UZI? No RPG? Three grenade launchers and no UZI or RPG?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Also... no UZI? No RPG? Three grenade launchers and no UZI or RPG?

Assuming these are for western nation citizens, I'm not sure where one could get a stash of RPGs

Could be wrong though

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Somebody should do an open box review of them here soon. I look forward to seeing what these guys look like "in the real world" outside of professional photographs.

Tends to give you a more realistic idea of what the figures will be like...

I'm also waiting for that. It's an odd set because the bodies are so different in clothing and even in size so it looks like not all arms can go with all bodies. Also the sample pics don't seem to have any shoulder seams, I'd love to see how they did that with some of the action poses and if an ordinary modeller can do as well. And some are very specific, I can see me using one priest, but three? I think they were thinking more along the lines of them all being the same character but with different gear.

It looks like a sure buy though. I just wish there were more cop bodies so I could make a mod of security/police guys. I don't see any other body that would work except maybe a suit or two for detectives/officers.

Could always say that the "normal" looking people are a deputized militia. Would work well in most situations. Cops see the town is going to hell in a handbasket, tells everyone he can trust in the town to meet up at the Sheriff's office. Congrats, you are now all honorary deputies!

You could also use the "normal" people as gang members, rioters, or even honest citizens defending their homes from whatever situation you're running your game in.

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Also... no UZI? No RPG? Three grenade launchers and no UZI or RPG?

Assuming these are for western nation citizens, I'm not sure where one could get a stash of RPGs

Could be wrong though

Uzis are not as popular as they once were either. I'm not sure why they would include them.

 CptJake wrote:

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Also... no UZI? No RPG? Three grenade launchers and no UZI or RPG?

Assuming these are for western nation citizens, I'm not sure where one could get a stash of RPGs

Could be wrong though

Uzis are not as popular as they once were either. I'm not sure why they would include them.

Uzis are still an iconic weapon for criminals, baddies, or other people that shoot people.

I haven't seen a recent movie where an Uzi was used.... Iconic from the '80s? Yep. Now? Not so much.

 CptJake wrote:

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Also... no UZI? No RPG? Three grenade launchers and no UZI or RPG?

Assuming these are for western nation citizens, I'm not sure where one could get a stash of RPGs

Could be wrong though

Uzis are not as popular as they once were either. I'm not sure why they would include them.

Because Punisher
Because Terminator
Because AWESOME!

As for the RPGs, I assume they're on the shelf next to the grenade launchers


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Could always say that the "normal" looking people are a deputized militia. Would work well in most situations. Cops see the town is going to hell in a handbasket, tells everyone he can trust in the town to meet up at the Sheriff's office. Congrats, you are now all honorary deputies!

You could also use the "normal" people as gang members, rioters, or even honest citizens defending their homes from whatever situation you're running your game in.

I want to do some generic moderns with this box. Cops, a VIP, bodyguards/secret service/mob, and crooks. So if/when I get to it I'll probably be trading or bitz buying more suits and uniforms and fewer fat guys in tank tops.

 kenshin620 wrote:
Hmm MM just got them. Quite fast I must say

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/wgfdf003.html

Figures MM gets them the day after I order them from WGF....

Uzi's suck.

They'd be good for some gang banger or some starter when you can't find something worth it. Then dump it as soon as something better cames along.

It's that little spray and pray thing, and dumping over 20+ rounds as fast as you sneeze without some good hits. Good if you know what your doing, but absolutly suck for just anybody.

And zombie killing? ... single shot, maybe.... and up on 10 or 20 ft in a room or something.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

As for the RPGs, I assume they're on the shelf next to the grenade launchers

Hmm do SWAT use GLs? I'm not really big on weaponry

Theres also the local army base, though once again I dont know what they stock there.

I figure the logic is cops might have GLs since they use them for tear gas during riots. It's probably the heaviest weapon one can find outside an army base.

As I understand it RPGs are Soviet weapons so were never used by US or NATO forces. We'd have LAW rockets.

But honestly, once you throw in cricket bats and chainsaws it's a little late to argue realism.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Uzi's suck.

They'd be good for some gang banger or some starter when you can't find something worth it. Then dump it as soon as something better cames along.

It's that little spray and pray thing, and dumping over 20+ rounds as fast as you sneeze without some good hits. Good if you know what your doing, but absolutly suck for just anybody.

And zombie killing? ... single shot, maybe.... and up on 10 or 20 ft in a room or something.

You realize that was the main weapon the secret service carried for almost a DECADE right?

It was one of the best SMG designs of it's time and it's still a highly capable weapon. The only reason it's not as popular now is probably due to its weight and the fact that you can't put rails on every square inch of the weapon like modern SMG's. Well, that, and it's in 9mm...

As for why it's not in the set, they just don't see common use anymore over here. It'd be like seeing somebody in this set running around with an FAL or something.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Uzi's suck.

They'd be good for some gang banger or some starter when you can't find something worth it. Then dump it as soon as something better cames along.

It's that little spray and pray thing, and dumping over 20+ rounds as fast as you sneeze without some good hits.

You might be thinking of the MAC-10, not the Uzi.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Somebody should do an open box review of them here soon. I look forward to seeing what these guys look like "in the real world" outside of professional photographs.

Tends to give you a more realistic idea of what the figures will be like...

I'm also waiting for that. It's an odd set because the bodies are so different in clothing and even in size so it looks like not all arms can go with all bodies. Also the sample pics don't seem to have any shoulder seams, I'd love to see how they did that with some of the action poses and if an ordinary modeller can do as well. And some are very specific, I can see me using one priest, but three? I think they were thinking more along the lines of them all being the same character but with different gear.

I'm the person that built and painted the figures shown with tabletop scenery in WGFs Facebook album and on their webstore. The arms fit the bodies very well- I used almost no filler. When I did it was all melted sprue with a little liquid styrene cement to smooth out the join. Not a challenge at all. Liquid greenstuff would do the trick too, but I really don't think its needed much on these figures. As you noticed some arms aren't going to fit certain bodies. I'm not sure if you've built other WGF boxes (like the orcs)... these are light years ahead in craftsmanship. I built the survivors as 'stock' as possible, as WGF requested, so that people buying them wouldn't get a surprise. I'm kind of eager to do some serious conversions just to see how difficult it would be to match arms with bodies they don't go with. Each torso/leg set has two or three optimum arm configurations. For example, mister 'swinging cricket bat' can have a cricket bat or baseball bat. It would be pretty easy to give him a katana from the samural sets too. I think this set will be far more versatile than the Zombie Vixens, which was a pretty cool set in my opinion.

There's actually not a priest in the box, at least not a guy with a standard 'priests' collar, I only painted it that way to show different ways to approach the 'suit' body. There's only two Bibles on the accessory sprue... so if you make three priests, one is going without the 'good book'. I really think these figures are pretty versatile... my friend is making one guy into a milkman.

There are some things I'd liked to have seen in the set. One thing I could say negative is that WGF tends to create an object and clone it multiple times when a little variety would go a long way. For example, a pouch will have four more just like it instead of tweaking it a little to make it unique, no reason at least one of the AR15s couldn't have a scope, etc.

All in all I think people will be happy with this set. Nothing quite like it out there and WGF has come a long way.

Thanks for the inside info.

I have a ton of the greatcoats and yeah, this kit already looks better. I remember the long fights on theWGF message boards about this set its nice to see the fun stuff like the chainsaw won out over dull realism.

WGF is lightyears ahead of where they were with the Greatcoats.

I've tried their WWII Germans and Americans in 28mm and they're pretty surprising. You get what you paid for, but the detail is still good, and if you're a decent painter you can make them look really good.

They're still lower quality figures, but they're catching up fast and I've never felt like I've been screwed since they always offer so much quantity for the money.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Thanks for the inside info.

I have a ton of the greatcoats and yeah, this kit already looks better. I remember the long fights on theWGF message boards about this set its nice to see the fun stuff like the chainsaw won out over dull realism.

Alot of thows fights came from the fact the orginal description promised both milita fighters and zombie survivors. People looking for milita weren't looking for zombie hunters and vice versa. It had nothing to do with "dull realism" lol.That orginal poll should of been closed and two new ones started ages ago. Its sorta what happened with the greatcoats. In trying to please everyone, no one ended up happy.

Well i would of rather seen the milita, I'm happy to see the broke the concept up and learned from their mistake. It was the right call.

That old fourm of theirs was the biggest clusterfeth ever in retrospect.

The painted model photos look lovely. Thanks for the sort-of review Dr. Mathias! It's really heartening to see good sets come out from WGF - there's always been plenty of promise, but it looks like it's finally being delivered on.

Okay, UZI's are out, but the Walther MP is in? That's just silly.

Thank you, Dr Mathias, for the insight into the figures. Great job !! Those pictures of your work have sold those figures to anyone I've shown them to.

 Lockark wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Thanks for the inside info.

I have a ton of the greatcoats and yeah, this kit already looks better. I remember the long fights on theWGF message boards about this set its nice to see the fun stuff like the chainsaw won out over dull realism.

Alot of thows fights came from the fact the orginal description promised both milita fighters and zombie survivors. People looking for milita weren't looking for zombie hunters and vice versa. It had nothing to do with "dull realism" lol.That orginal poll should of been closed and two new ones started ages ago. Its sorta what happened with the greatcoats. In trying to please everyone, no one ended up happy.

Well i would of rather seen the milita, I'm happy to see the broke the concept up and learned from their mistake. It was the right call.

That old fourm of theirs was the biggest clusterfeth ever in retrospect.

The LAUL description, written by someone who doesn't work for Wargames Factory, and before the WGF regime change asked for a set that could work for both militia and zombie survivors, which, quite frankly, would never work because of the clothing

The set is being released as "Apocalyptic Survivors" in the "Dark Futures" line along side their zombie figures. t's not really a design by committee fail. They tailored the product to their existing product line.

With the Zombies being pop culture these days it seems a good decision.

Now mind you, I agree there is a vacuum waiting to be filled with plastic third world militia/freedom fighters/rebels/insurgents, but I honestly don't see that as big of a market right now, and Wargames Factory as of yet, doesn't have a modern forces line of models.

Along with the problem that comes from a design by committee route the OldWGF used, is that the generic "Post Apocalypse" label means something different to everyone. It could be gritty, like most of the Lead Adventure range, slightly goofy like Grenadier and EM4 Future Wars, or more like 'today' which WGF ended up doing.

I'm pretty happy with the set WGF released, and even though I have about 80 survivors from a variety of companies this set has some stuff that either is under represented or hasn't been done yet. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff I'd have done differently with the accessory sprue, but I can't think of any plastic set, by anyone, that did everything 'right'- although I'd nominate the Perry sets as being closest to 'perfect'. Heck, we have two companies that made plastic Zulus and British, and both did some odd things, and some good things, the other company didn't do.

We're kind of spoiled for choice in my opinion.

Thats the thing thow. At some point they should of steped in, instead they jus5 letted it fester and gave no guidence to the community. Half thows arguement were prety damn pointless in retrosepect. Lol

 Lockark wrote:
That's the thing though. At some point they should have stepped in, instead they just let it fester and gave no guidance to the community. Half those arguments were pretty damn pointless in retrospect. Lol

I dunno, I quite like all of the variety this set offers, every mini has its own unique look, great for roleplaying games...

 Commander Cain wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
That's the thing though. At some point they should have stepped in, instead they just let it fester and gave no guidance to the community. Half those arguments were pretty damn pointless in retrospect. Lol

I dunno, I quite like all of the variety this set offers, every mini has its own unique look, great for roleplaying games...

Sorry was talking about their old message board not the minis. The minis are fine. I have no use or need for them personly but thats not here or their.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
Uzi's suck.

They'd be good for some gang banger or some starter when you can't find something worth it. Then dump it as soon as something better cames along.

It's that little spray and pray thing, and dumping over 20+ rounds as fast as you sneeze without some good hits. Good if you know what your doing, but absolutly suck for just anybody.
And zombie killing? ... single shot, maybe.... and up on 10 or 20 ft in a room or something.

You realize that was the main weapon the secret service carried for almost a DECADE right?

It was one of the best SMG designs of it's time and it's still a highly capable weapon. The only reason it's not as popular now is probably due to its weight and the fact that you can't put rails on every square inch of the weapon like modern SMG's. Well, that, and it's in 9mm...

As for why it's not in the set, they just don't see common use anymore over here. It'd be like seeing somebody in this set running around with an FAL or something.

Any comparison shots of these guys alongside others?

They'll probably be very truescale. If you've ever seen their WWII miniatures, they look like they'll be close to that. They'll look slim compared to "heroic" scaled figures like you see in 40.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
I'm the person that built and painted the figures shown with tabletop scenery in WGFs Facebook album and on their webstore.

Did you also make the scenery? I would love to see a guide/tutorial on both the painting and the scenery!

 jmurph wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:
I'm the person that built and painted the figures shown with tabletop scenery in WGFs Facebook album and on their webstore.

Did you also make the scenery? I would love to see a guide/tutorial on both the painting and the scenery!

Yes, I made the scenery as well, a few years ago. I haven't been diligent enough to take WIP shots of things I made, until recently. I've been doing tree and foliage tutorials

I could probably take some close up of building details at some point. Most of my modern collection is actually 'Plasticville' model train sets. In the meantime this site (Combat Zone Chronicles) has a LOT of great ideas and tips for modern/near future terrain:

http://combatzonechronicles.net/table.htm

I plan to convert the kid to Carl soon, I'll do a WIP of that and let you know.

Oh, awesome! Combat Zone Chronicles is an awesome site and inspired alot of ideas for Plasticvile. Looking forward to Carl! Hopefully we will get a solid female survivor set and Lori, Andrea, etc. can be added in.

Got mine in today.

Have to say I was impressed with the interlocking frame design, and the sturdiness of the cardboard box.

The models look like they will be a good match for Zombicide. I'll update once I get a few assembled with a side by side comparison. .

Can't believe I haven't seen this thread before. I have to say that the look of the male survivors is fantastic and I can't wait to see what they do with the female survivors

If you're looking to buy these the War Store now has them for $18

http://www.thewarstore.com/product83263.html

So heres a picture I found on WGF Facebook page.
Shows some of the possiable builds from the kit, along with a side by side with a zombicide miniature to show scale.

If you want some more scale shots, I did a few with Heroclix, Hasslefree, Horrorclix, Copplestone, Wargames Foundry and Zombicide at my blog:

http://thecolorblindmodelpainter.blogspot.com/2013/05/wargames-factory-survivor-scale.html

rwwin wrote:
If you want some more scale shots, I did a few with Heroclix, Hasslefree, Horrorclix, Copplestone, Wargames Foundry and Zombicide at my blog:

http://thecolorblindmodelpainter.blogspot.com/2013/05/wargames-factory-survivor-scale.html

Nice , I personaly always like to see size comparison shots, have bought a few minis that were a wee bit too small IMO due to scale creep.

I love these figs!!

Im going to use them as Insurgents in our "Bushwars" games. We use the Bolt Action rules.

I've been told that Wargames Factory has women survivors figures on preview at Historicon.

The set includes Uzis, RPG, double barrel shotgun, Mac-10, compound bow, pipe bomb, tennis racquet, golf club, among other weapon loadouts. There is some crossover with the men's set regarding weapons (AK47 for example) and pouches etc. but there are quite a few new weapons, and types that people had said they wanted on the first set. There's a couple revolvers in the set although not as many as some might like. I would expect pictures on their Facebook page after the con.

I look forwards to seeing them.

Is a character armed with both a tennis racket and a golf club count as having two close combat weapons?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Is a character armed with both a tennis racket and a golf club count as having two close combat weapons?

LOL, I'll have to make one of those now.

Their WWII Russians are now up for sale. They look fantastic to me.

Those WWII Russians look good. The female soldier head looks promising for kitbashing.

rwwin wrote:
If you want some more scale shots, I did a few with Heroclix, Hasslefree, Horrorclix, Copplestone, Wargames Foundry and Zombicide at my blog:

http://thecolorblindmodelpainter.blogspot.com/2013/05/wargames-factory-survivor-scale.html

Thank you so much for taking the time to put together these shots, I have been wondering how the heroclix scale works vs other manufacturers. I am looking to use some of the Bioshock Infinite Heroclix figures, so I needed to know the scale before I committed.

Cheers!

Yeah, thanks for the comparison shots. Very nice.

The WW2 Russians are very interesting. Not as armoured as Cadians, but much better proportioned. If I hadn't started an IG out of Dreamforge, they would be it.

Look what just popped up in the WGF facebook newsfeed:

Well crap. Those look awesome! Damn, I'm really going to have to get some of these and the guys. What am I going to do with a bunch of armed civvies though?

Looks promising. If it's the same layout as the men there'll be fifteen heads and eight normal torsos, so hopefully I'd be able to get 24 adequate models out of it for $22.

 AlexHolker wrote:
Looks promising. If it's the same layout as the men there'll be fifteen heads and eight normal torsos, so hopefully I'd be able to get 24 adequate models out of it for $22.

A sprue has 10 unique bodies, 1 is a child. Fifteen heads, two are children's heads. One child with helmet, one with bow.

The set is pretty similar to the men, in terms of figure posability, arm to torso combos, etc.

Like the men's set, there's a sprue of additional arms, weapons and accessories.

 Barzam wrote:
Well crap. Those look awesome! Damn, I'm really going to have to get some of these and the guys. What am I going to do with a bunch of armed civvies though?

First though: insurgents.
Second: mix-and-match with other bits to make mercenaries, freedom fighters, screaming victims, objectives, etc.

Looks very nice. A few look like resculpts or re-uses from the Mens kit, but overall a very nice set.

Someone needs to teach the fat chick how to hold and fire an RPG. Or better, teach the sculptor those things.

Because some random civilian is going to know the best way to hold it when forced to do so by a zombie apocalypse? Just like magically?

 frozenwastes wrote:
Because some random civilian is going to know the best way to hold it when forced to do so by a zombie apocalypse? Just like magically?

Actually I bet if I handed one to a random civilian, the ergonomics of the RPG are gonna dictate almost every single one holds it more correctly than fat chick does. And anyone willing to pick one up and give it a try has probably seen them fired on TV and in movies many times so will have a beginning of a clue as to how to do so.

Sorry, sculptors not knowing how something works is not a good excuse to sculpt something in a way that doesn't work. It is lazy. Two minutes looking at the images that come up on a google image search of 'RPG firing' goes a long way.

I dig it. It's nice that there's a decent variety of body types and varieties, and it isn't all musclewomen or supermodels.

 CptJake wrote:
Someone needs to teach the fat chick how to hold and fire an RPG. Or better, teach the sculptor those things.

To be fair, that could be my fault when I built it. However, I didn't see any other way to configure it with the arms that were labeled with that body/RPG match. It could be that she isn't supposed to be aiming it, but again I went with the best fit for the shoulder and arm. I built the WGF kits as 'stock' as possible, with no modifications to components, and in supplied poses, so that the buyer doesn't get any rude surprises.

If these were my kits I'd make some mods, like shaving down the thick brims on the cowgirl's hat, and officer's hat in the men's box. As a customer, I'd be mad if I opened the box and the figures don't match the ones I see on the webstore etc.

At least she appears to have removed the warhead safety pin, unlike some insurgents.

Issues with miniatures not holding weapons appropriately (as well as proper body position, etc) are inevitable when dealing with a kit with interchangeable pieces like this. You either deal with it, attempt to make modifications yourself, or buy monopose sculpts where the sculptor has the ability to control all aspects of the sculpt positioning.

Multipart isn't an excuse for every sculpting error (Remember the hideous WGF greatcoat HW kit?), but folks should know what they are getting into when they buy a plastic multipart kit. In most cases there are some sacrifices to be made for the freedom that you get when you do your own assembly.

I get that it is a minor issue (and will be buying a set of these), but minor as it is, it is a pet peeve of mine when sculptors mess up something a tiny bit of reference could fix.

 CptJake wrote:
I get that it is a minor issue (and will be buying a set of these), but minor as it is, it is a pet peeve of mine when sculptors mess up something a tiny bit of reference could fix.

There's four armless RPG launchers on the accessory sprue FYI.

I agree with you about research- it's important to 'get it right' as much as possible. There was without question an error on one of the accessories. I'm not sure if that got fixed after the test sprues. I can't imagine it would keep people from buying the set, but for me it was a real head-scratcher.

Hmm...I may pick up a box just for the bits.

I'm really impressed by the look of these and will get a set when they are released. I'm currently painting up the 'men' set and have to say that these are some of the most realistic figures I've ever seen; and they paint up well also. The only quibble I may have is that some of the poses are a bit '?' (that's the only way I can describe them), still just about all figure ranges have these bizarre poses! Damn good minis all the same!

Grr.... I thought I was done with plastic crack!

But they keep pulling me back in!

Well, thanks to my brother, I think I know how I'm going to use them. Both sets will be great to use in games of Fear and Faith! Maybe I'll have to snag a set of the guys from Brookhurst tomorrow.

 CptJake wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
Because some random civilian is going to know the best way to hold it when forced to do so by a zombie apocalypse? Just like magically?

Actually I bet if I handed one to a random civilian, the ergonomics of the RPG are gonna dictate almost every single one holds it more correctly than fat chick does. And anyone willing to pick one up and give it a try has probably seen them fired on TV and in movies many times so will have a beginning of a clue as to how to do so.

Sorry, sculptors not knowing how something works is not a good excuse to sculpt something in a way that doesn't work. It is lazy. Two minutes looking at the images that come up on a google image search of 'RPG firing' goes a long way.

On a similar note, the woman with the bow has the arrow on the wrong side as well. That is one of my biggest pet peeves in films and even worse on miniatures. Looks like some converting will be in order.

I wound up picking up The Men on Saturday. I just started working on them last night. I'm a little disappointed that there isn't quite as much customizability as I'd like, but at least they labeled what goes where and the sculpts really are top notch. I may not be able to get quite the poses I want, but the figures are great, the price is definitely right since you get 30 figures for about $20, there's a ton of extra bits, and this set allows me to field a group of fat guys with beer cans and guns. I'm very pleased and I will absolutely be getting The Women now.

How easy/convincing is it to make these unarmed?

 Todosi wrote:


On a similar note, the woman with the bow has the arrow on the wrong side as well. That is one of my biggest pet peeves in films and even worse on miniatures. Looks like some converting will be in order.

Great catch! I just got my daughter her first bow (a 20 pound recurve) for her 11th birthday last month and should have noticed that.

I'm thinking a little patience, a little green stuff, a few bitz from the Bitz Box and I've got 7 or 8 female IG out of this.... I'm getting a box of them as soon as they're available.

 Todosi wrote:

On a similar note, the woman with the bow has the arrow on the wrong side as well. That is one of my biggest pet peeves in films and even worse on miniatures. Looks like some converting will be in order.

I'd replace the entire arrow.

Maxim C. Gatling wrote:I'm thinking a little patience, a little green stuff, a few bitz from the Bitz Box and I've got 7 or 8 female IG out of this.... I'm getting a box of them as soon as they're available.

Good luck. I'm curious to see how well they match up in scale. Post pics if you can.

Dr Mathias wrote:

 Todosi wrote:

On a similar note, the woman with the bow has the arrow on the wrong side as well. That is one of my biggest pet peeves in films and even worse on miniatures. Looks like some converting will be in order.

I'd replace the entire arrow.

The old GW skeleton sprues had single arrows, but you might make your own with a pin and some putty. I would use brown stuff instead of the green.

Bah, at this scale, they usually look like they are firing pipes instead of arrows. A straight pin with some fletching at the end would be about right.

Great review of the Apocalypse Survivors: The Women kit

http://battlebrushstudios.blogspot.co.at/2013/09/review-apocalypse-survivors-women.html


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Another review with scale-shots
http://wargameterrain.blogspot.be/2013/09/wargames-factory-female-apocalypse.html

Are these minis more in line with GW's minis or say, Hasslefree's 28mm true-scales?

 BrookM wrote:
Are these minis more in line with GW's minis or say, Hasslefree's 28mm true-scales?

GW Catachan on far right

Thanks, I think this could work with my existing range of zombie game minis.

The male survivors are a very nice kit as well. I'll need to pick up the girls at some stage, as well as their female zombies.

here's a zombie size comparison:

Geez those are small.

Male zombies was WGFs first kit. Different sculptor, probably the first mini set the Chinese factory made. I wouldn't judge any recent stuff through comparison with that set.

Their survivors are great though. Despite them being in heroic scale, I actually rather like the Greatcoats, too.

 judgedoug wrote:
Great review of the Apocalypse Survivors: The Women kit

http://battlebrushstudios.blogspot.co.at/2013/09/review-apocalypse-survivors-women.html


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http://wargameterrain.blogspot.be/2013/09/wargames-factory-female-apocalypse.html

Thanks for posting the reviews. I know I am a bit late to this discussion, but I was looking for something different to paint and the war games Factory kits fit the bill. Plus 30 minis for $22 is pretty nice as well.

Are there any plans at all for WGF to produce anything of their own this year? They seem to be churning out kits for everyone left and right, and getting delayed on quite a few projects.

15mm Americans are likely to be released in March.

I suspect at least one of the six kits for the new range will be available by Historicon.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
15mm Americans are likely to be released in March.

I suspect at least one of the six kits for the new range will be available by Historicon.

What period? Modern? WW2? Other?

Are there any other Americans we like but the WW2 ones?

I kid, I kid.

 CptJake wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:
15mm Americans are likely to be released in March.

I suspect at least one of the six kits for the new range will be available by Historicon.

What period? Modern? WW2? Other?

Oh sorry- the next release is the WW2 15mm Americans. I painted the ones on the FB page a couple months ago, so they should be released quite soon. I don't have any experience with any other manufacturers of 15mm WW2 stuff, so I can't say how they compare to Battlefront or PSC for example. They're not to hard to paint despite being detailed little suckers- I could detect the 'pineapple' texture and pin on the hand grenades. Painting it is another story

I signed an NDA so I can't reveal what the upcoming "six set" project is.

WGF is obviously very busy doing work for other companies- they do have some plans for some cool stuff of their own (that I've seen as concept art or renders) but I think they are prioritizing the Kickstarters that they are manufacturing for.

I think a redone male zombie kit would be well received, along with a Daimyo/Mako screen/Taiko drum set to round off the samurai.

Maybe a redo on the Sci-fi Greatcoats as well. They are kind of out of proportion and the heavy weapon team should have kneeling legs not butt-on-the-ground weird leg position.

Most of the Tony Reidy-era WGF stuff should be redone (up to 2011 basically)

 Dr Mathias wrote:


Oh sorry- the next release is the WW2 15mm Americans. I painted the ones on the FB page a couple months ago, so they should be released quite soon. I don't have any experience with any other manufacturers of 15mm WW2 stuff, so I can't say how they compare to Battlefront or PSC for example. They're not to hard to paint despite being detailed little suckers- I could detect the 'pineapple' texture and pin on the hand grenades. Painting it is another story

Thanks for the clarification., I just gave away an absolute TON of 15mm W2 stuff a couple of weeks ago, but kept my moderns, so was hoping that is what it was. I knew it was a long shot.

 Dr Mathias wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:
15mm Americans are likely to be released in March.

I suspect at least one of the six kits for the new range will be available by Historicon.

What period? Modern? WW2? Other?

Oh sorry- the next release is the WW2 15mm Americans. I painted the ones on the FB page a couple months ago, so they should be released quite soon. I don't have any experience with any other manufacturers of 15mm WW2 stuff, so I can't say how they compare to Battlefront or PSC for example. They're not to hard to paint despite being detailed little suckers- I could detect the 'pineapple' texture and pin on the hand grenades. Painting it is another story

I signed an NDA so I can't reveal what the upcoming "six set" project is.

WGF is obviously very busy doing work for other companies- they do have some plans for some cool stuff of their own (that I've seen as concept art or renders) but I think they are prioritizing the Kickstarters that they are manufacturing for.

I think a redone male zombie kit would be well received, along with a Daimyo/Mako screen/Taiko drum set to round off the samurai.

Do they have an insane amount of snipers like the German kit had?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:


Oh sorry- the next release is the WW2 15mm Americans. I painted the ones on the FB page a couple months ago, so they should be released quite soon. I don't have any experience with any other manufacturers of 15mm WW2 stuff, so I can't say how they compare to Battlefront or PSC for example. They're not to hard to paint despite being detailed little suckers- I could detect the 'pineapple' texture and pin on the hand grenades. Painting it is another story

Do they have an insane amount of snipers like the German kit had?

There's one figure with a scoped rifle per sprue, in a standing firing pose. There are a couple prone firing figures but nothing that says dedicated sniper. I think there's 46 figures on a sprue- a couple officers, some tommy guns, two bazookas, I think the sprue has three BAR operators as well.

WGF posted a teaser pic in their forums, and on the Facebook page.





I hope they make an official announcement soon, I'm dying keeping their next kits under wraps. I'm very eager to hear how the new period is received.

Looks like we're getting Revolution era Brits.

Would make sense in a "The British Are Coming!" way, since it seems to be referencing Paul Revere's ride.

Yes we are, they even put this puzzle on the website:

Image spoilered for those who'd enjoy a few minutes doing a good ol' puzzle.


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It is now feasible to do an old school astra militarum regiment with classic red coats.

Interesting as Perry already has AWI redcoats and the colonial infantry/riflemen set get released like this week.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yes we are, they even put this puzzle on the website:

Spoiler:

Image spoilered for those who'd enjoy a few minutes doing a good ol' puzzle.


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It is now feasible to do an old school astra militarum regiment with classic red coats.

oh yeah, you mean imperial guard

Whoa - just read that it's the first of SIX planned AWI kits! I already own a unit of Perry and some Fife and Drum minis so it looks like I'll be going big into AWI now *sigh*

AWI sounds awesome. I would love to see a good multi-part kit for woodlands Natives. As long as they actually have muskets... not just the typical bow and arrows.

There's actually not a lot of crossover between the Perry figures and the new WGF AWI, both in poses and uniform details. I think there's room for both (I actually have both Perry and WGF, and the new Perry Continentals pre-ordered). WGF got me looking at this period, whereas before I had zero interest in AWI.

As far as using them for IG proxies, they're similar to the survivors in sculpting style and proportion. I personally wouldn't use them with GW scale stuff, but I've seen people mashup some amazing things using GW, WGF, Perry, Victrix, etc. so I know it can be done.

Should be some more announcements coming soon.

I hope that like their other recent kits, the infantry come in a lot of interesting poses. I haven't gotten any of the Perry kits precisely because it looks like two thirds or your guys have to be assembled in the thrilling "walking with firearm on shoulder" pose, which doesn't really suit the weird French and Indian War and AWI gaming I'd like to do.

I'm a big fan of dynamic poses.

 Gallahad wrote:
I hope that like their other recent kits, the infantry come in a lot of interesting poses. I haven't gotten any of the Perry kits precisely because it looks like two thirds or your guys have to be assembled in the thrilling "walking with firearm on shoulder" pose, which doesn't really suit the weird French and Indian War and AWI gaming I'd like to do.

I'm a big fan of dynamic poses.

I've been scratching my head over the Perry Continentals. 'Marching' and 'casually marching'? Both in the same set? Why?

At least the Perry British have advancing and marching. I dislike marching poses for just about anything really...

I'm probably not allowed to say what is exactly in the AWI sets at this point but there is a variety.

I like the Perry marching poses quite a bit actually. Here's a work in progress from a "quick paint" on a unit, still need to add a few details and the flag.

Very nice. What rule set are you going to use?

 CptJake wrote:
Very nice. What rule set are you going to use?

We're using Black Powder. Mainly my buddy is doing AWI so I was helping him out (we both did the Fife & Drum kickstarter too) by getting a couple units done. So the vast majority of all of the units are Perry plastics and metals, and tons of Fife & Drum metal truescale figures.

Painted samples posted! MSRP 73 cents each? SOLD

Those already look much better to me than their Perry counterparts.

Those look great. Love the different poses.

Using the same heads that they use for almost every one of their 28mm male boxes I see.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
As far as using them for IG proxies, they're similar to the survivors in sculpting style and proportion. I personally wouldn't use them with GW scale stuff, but I've seen people mashup some amazing things using GW, WGF, Perry, Victrix, etc. so I know it can be done.

Perry and WGF stuff really looks off with GW parts. However, the lasrifles from Victoria miniatues are much slimmer and look fine on true-scale 28mm figs.

Some folks have found that the old slim RT-era plastic lasrifles look good on historical figs, but they can be hard to come by. The Victoria rifles are readily available and work just as well. Here you can see the two compared, albeit on squats rather than 28mm historicals. Victoria on the left, RT era GW on the right

I much prefer the realistic proportions of these historical figures to cartoony GW & PP figures.

I've been contemplating starting up an "imagi-nation" project where you take 18th century era miniatures and paint them up in whatever scheme you want as a new quasi-European or colonial power. Half the fun is making up details for the fake nation and the other half is fighting fake wars with other fake nations.

This is the new ruleset tied into the Wargames Factory releases

http://www.amazon.com/Land-Free-Wargames-America-1754-1815/dp/1472801121/ref=pd_sim_b_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=0GFCG25SQYNEGT2Q2B9Y

Published by Osprey! Written by Joe Krone:
"Joe Krone is an avid historical enthusiast and brought his passion to the wargaming industry early in his career. He worked for Games Workshop as a promotions and marketing manager for over six years and spent five years managing events for Battlefront Miniatures. His experiences in both the science-fiction/fantasy and historical markets have given him a broad understanding of tabletop wargaming and its mechanics. Joe has written several articles for White Dwarf and Wargames Illustrated, and contributed to the Flames of War 3rd edition rulebook."

when asked about the size of the games:
"Well, not to sound cryptic but the size of the game is up to the players. During our playtesting we used quite a bit of mixed sized units but the standard base size we used was 6 miniatures per base. So our units ranged anywhere from 6 - 30 miniatures depending on the organization of our force. If you played with 30 man regiments you could have about 5-6 regiments per side in a 2 hour game. The minimum is 4 based on how the force organizations function if that helps but keep in mind that the 4 units could be smaller than 30 man 'regiments'. "

Additionally, WGF has now said that if the line proves popular there will be more than six kits.

They are committed to historical accuracy:
"These figures are indeed represented wearing the Royal Clothing Warrant Uniform of 1768. What you have to understand is that the Warrant itself did not prescribe the exact clothing, per se, but rather how that clothing was to look. See http://www.fifedrum.org/crfd/1768.htm as a starting point. The trousers, for example, changed during the war for some units. Quite a few adopted the Colonial "Overalls" at some point after their trouser wore out and had to source locally. I've visited enough museums and spoken to at least half-a-dozen historians and curators and seen first hand surviving examples of these uniforms to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that what we've represented are accurate. The British can be used throughout the war as the RCW 1768 was not superceded until after the Revolution."

"since the majority of the battles were fought with 2 ranks these figures work quite well for that. If you do 2 firing lines and 1 reloading line (3-ranks) it can also be done but requires the builder to pay attention to where he places each figure on its base and remember what rank the figure is in. But almost every encounter in the Revolution involving regulars was fought in 2-ranks so having 3 makes them less historically accurate."

Are there any kneeling poses in the set?
"Not in the British set. That would not have been historically accurate. We didn't do these figures with Imagi-Nations in mind; those playing Imagi-Nations will have to adapt our figures to fit their style of play.

And, another preview coming this Friday.

 Dr Mathias wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I hope that like their other recent kits, the infantry come in a lot of interesting poses. I haven't gotten any of the Perry kits precisely because it looks like two thirds or your guys have to be assembled in the thrilling "walking with firearm on shoulder" pose, which doesn't really suit the weird French and Indian War and AWI gaming I'd like to do.

I'm a big fan of dynamic poses.

I've been scratching my head over the Perry Continentals. 'Marching' and 'casually marching'? Both in the same set? Why?

At least the Perry British have advancing and marching. I dislike marching poses for just about anything really...

I'm probably not allowed to say what is exactly in the AWI sets at this point but there is a variety.

The reason is because march attack is not only popular with historical wargamers for ease of putting the models together, but was widely prevalent in warfare at the time. Combat actions take a day or two, marching takes weeks. plus there is marching across the battlefield.

I'm pretty sure dysentery killed more soldiers than griffons, too. Can we model for that?

The answer to "they have boring poses. I don't like boring poses in my escape from boring life" is not "But boring is more accurate. Most of the game should be boring."

It actually looks like the Perry and WGF miniatures might be pretty compatible. I'll be interested in seeing both in person. If they end up being appropriately scaled for head swaps and the using of accessory parts from each kit with the other.

 lord marcus wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I hope that like their other recent kits, the infantry come in a lot of interesting poses. I haven't gotten any of the Perry kits precisely because it looks like two thirds or your guys have to be assembled in the thrilling "walking with firearm on shoulder" pose, which doesn't really suit the weird French and Indian War and AWI gaming I'd like to do.

I'm a big fan of dynamic poses.

I've been scratching my head over the Perry Continentals. 'Marching' and 'casually marching'? Both in the same set? Why?

At least the Perry British have advancing and marching. I dislike marching poses for just about anything really...

I'm probably not allowed to say what is exactly in the AWI sets at this point but there is a variety.

The reason is because march attack is not only popular with historical wargamers for ease of putting the models together, but was widely prevalent in warfare at the time. Combat actions take a day or two, marching takes weeks. plus there is marching across the battlefield.

I do have very fond memories of my gaming club's two week game of "March Across New Jersey and Part of Pennsylvania."

"Agh, I rolled a six!"
"Light rain for the next two hours! Roll on your grumblage chart to see if a new recruit makes a snide remark about the weather."
"I love this game. I have a new strategy I am going to try out when I attempt to set up camp tomorrow."
"Great, I've modeled some pit latrines using only sand, glue, insulation foam, and bits from the GW Taurox kit."

Lord Marcus has the right of it. Historicals usually rely more on ranked up, formationed models, not the super dynamic ones seen in most SF skirmish games. Just one of those things; historical gamers find ranks upon ranks of properly period armies exciting.

Sorry, I was never questioning why manufacturers make marching poses.

I was questioning why Perry did two varieties of marching poses in one kit. It's odd. The British kit has marching and advancing. The Americans are marching and casually marching. Why not a corresponding advancing option?

On topic, I think people will be happy with the militia. There's a nice variety of clothing, equipment, and poses.

Oh, I gotcha. Carry on

I'm trying to understand here. Are you the new official painter of Wargames Factory stuff, Dr Matthias?

Dwartist just got the Keilerkopf, so Mark can still choose who he wants?

I'm confOOsed!

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm trying to understand here. Are you the new official painter of Wargames Factory stuff, Dr Matthias?

Dwartist just got the Keilerkopf, so Mark can still choose who he wants?

I'm confOOsed!

Not sure about 'official'- I just get a contract on a kit by kit basis. Dreamforge is a separate company, so he's sending advance kits to who he wants to. WGF will probably (not for sure though) have me paint the wave 3 Dreamforge stuff when it comes out for their convention display and website. I think the AWI is on their priority list though, so I'm not sure. All I know now is that I have a bunch of half finished Brits and Continentals on my desk

If I was coming out with a new armored vehicle, I'd want Dwartist to paint one for me too

I can't wait to see the colonial militia kit! You've got me very excited about them Dr. Mathias.