Someone comes up to you and offers you immortality. And this person will give it too you for no price save for your mortality in exchange for their power to grant immortality to only you. Would you take it? Knowing you cannot exchange your immortality for someone elses mortality. You are stuck as is.
If you say yes, the man dies immediately and you gain immortality and invincibility .
Okay Guys I was asked about this a little while ago and I know there was a thread Recently that asked What if you were a God. I thought it would be an enlightening to see peoples reactions to it.
I want to ask about Immortality, Only immortality now here is some rules with your immortality.
-you have the ability to live forever, you can't die (neither does your body), you regenerate all your wounds at an extremely fast rate, even beheading, you just reassemble, you are invincible
-You do not evolve
-You cannot have anyone else join you.
- if it is incinerated you just are reborn the same as you were before incineration with memory of the event too.
- You are ordinary
Nope, the merry go round of watching friends and loved ones growing old and dying would be too depressing, let alone seeing it happen to civilizations.
But to answer the OP, I would not choose immortality. My curiosity for where humanity and the universe is headed is not great enough to sacrifice my ability to die.
Yes, I would use it for the betterment of mankind over thousands of years, I would never show my hand, alway a drifter. And then when the time is right, When humanity is on our last leg, I will emerge and lead us to a better world.
Depends on one thing, I guess. Is the material universe finite or infinite? If it's infinite, then yes, without a second thought. If I'm stuck with a perpetual existence after even matter has dissolved into entropy, then it doesn't really sound so appealling. Although I might still do it since the sheer amount of experience lived before I get to there could be worth it.
Life's primordial drive is to perpetuate it's form, the only reason why we proceed by reproduction to acheive that is because nature hasn't found another way for beings as complex as us. There is no morality in death, no reason to submit to inexistence.
If the universe is going to repeat and an infinite number of universes are to follow then fact states that at some random point in the future the cast of Jersey Shore rule of the world.
Glorioski wrote: If the universe is going to repeat and an infinite number of universes will follow then you can definitely look forward to one day. at some random point in the future, where the cast of Jersey Shore are rulers of the world.
Sound good? No, infinity sucks.
Or maybe every universe is just like the last, so every time it goes through the motions again another one of you pops up and you have a friend to share infinity with! Then another.. Then another...
Glorioski wrote: If the universe is going to repeat and an infinite number of universes will follow then you can definitely look forward to one day. at some random point in the future, where the cast of Jersey Shore are rulers of the world.
Sound good? No, infinity sucks.
Or maybe every universe is just like the last, so every time it goes through the motions again another one of you pops up and you have a friend to share infinity with! Then another.. Then another...
I am slamming my op foot down and saying that probably won't happen. Ever. By then you would of slipped into madness.
Glorioski wrote: If the universe is going to repeat and an infinite number of universes will follow then you can definitely look forward to one day. at some random point in the future, where the cast of Jersey Shore are rulers of the world.
Sound good? No, infinity sucks.
Or maybe every universe is just like the last, so every time it goes through the motions again another one of you pops up and you have a friend to share infinity with! Then another.. Then another...
I am slamming my op foot down and saying that probably won't happen. Ever. By then you would of slipped into madness.
Glorioski wrote: If the universe is going to repeat and an infinite number of universes will follow then you can definitely look forward to one day. at some random point in the future, where the cast of Jersey Shore are rulers of the world.
Sound good? No, infinity sucks.
Or maybe every universe is just like the last, so every time it goes through the motions again another one of you pops up and you have a friend to share infinity with! Then another.. Then another...
I am slamming my op foot down and saying that probably won't happen. Ever. By then you would of slipped into madness.
Hey now, if I'm the only being left in existence and my form takes up infinity, madness would be completely normal. Like living with Frazzled
Nope, because there would be no incentive to do anything (like making myself more attractive to the opposite sex so we can have sexual relationship) as my time is infinite, I would outlive everything and be forever alone not being able to have coitus with anyone anymore and I would not get
any vag cause I would look like a freak since people will have evolved so much that it would be like fething an ape for them.
No, being immortal but still being able to be injured would be a huge downside. What if I'm kidnapped by a terror organisation and tortured until I work for them? They can't kill me through torture, so they have no reason to hold back, but I can still experience the pain.
Everything being immortal is useful for would be offset by the fact that it'd either destroy my body over and over and over and/or cause immeasurable amounts of pain. Some things would be outright impossible (like exploring deep ocean trenches, where my body would still succumb to the pressure every time I tried) even with immortality. The advantages of it are far outweighed by the inherent disadvantages.
Kovnik Obama wrote: Depends on one thing, I guess. Is the material universe finite or infinite? If it's infinite, then yes, without a second thought. If I'm stuck with a perpetual existence after even matter has dissolved into entropy, then it doesn't really sound so appealling. Although I might still do it since the sheer amount of experience lived before I get to there could be worth it.
Took the words out of my mouth.
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Glorioski wrote: If the universe is going to repeat and an infinite number of universes are to follow then fact states that at some random point in the future the cast of Jersey Shore rule of the world.
Sound good? No, infinity sucks.
Honestly, that sounds like a ton of fun for an invincible person.
Kovnik Obama wrote: Depends on one thing, I guess. Is the material universe finite or infinite? If it's infinite, then yes, without a second thought. If I'm stuck with a perpetual existence after even matter has dissolved into entropy, then it doesn't really sound so appealling. Although I might still do it since the sheer amount of experience lived before I get to there could be worth it.
Took the words out of my mouth.
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Glorioski wrote: If the universe is going to repeat and an infinite number of universes are to follow then fact states that at some random point in the future the cast of Jersey Shore rule of the world.
Sound good? No, infinity sucks.
Honestly, that sounds like a ton of fun for an invincible person.
Sounds like a lot of fun if you get to save the world by killing the Jersey Shore. Imagine slicing Snooki in half or drawing and quartering The Situation in order to save the world. That would be the best afternoon ever...
Kovnik Obama wrote: Depends on one thing, I guess. Is the material universe finite or infinite? If it's infinite, then yes, without a second thought. If I'm stuck with a perpetual existence after even matter has dissolved into entropy, then it doesn't really sound so appealling. Although I might still do it since the sheer amount of experience lived before I get to there could be worth it.
Immortality necessitates an infinite universe, as you have just been granted the ability to defeat entropy. Therefor, as long as you exist the universe can't experience heat death. Hooray physics!
Id ask if he wanted to die and if he is trying to get rid of his immortality. If that was his only salvation I would take it even knowing I could not do the same.
What would happen if I went comatose or hibernation along the lines of millions of years? Would the rules stop the coma or prolonged sleep? When the universe compresses back to zero what happens to my body and consciousness?
Yes, because it would be funny to break the laws of physics like that. I'd accept immortality just to see how completely screwed up the universe got when things like thermodynamics ceased to function.
IDK, I might take it. Of course I would want to know what my Mortality entails, if I am losing something tangible I might not take the offer.
Peregrine wrote: Yes, because it would be funny to break the laws of physics like that. I'd accept immortality just to see how completely screwed up the universe got when things like thermodynamics ceased to function.
I don't think Immortality as presented in the OP breaks any laws. Assumedly what is making you immortal is some wierd qwirk that prevents your body from degenerating as it ages. Which itself wouldn't violate any laws. You would still eat, drink, and sleep.
Peregrine wrote: Yes, because it would be funny to break the laws of physics like that. I'd accept immortality just to see how completely screwed up the universe got when things like thermodynamics ceased to function.
Which laws is that breaking? Helk the immortal might be the big bang O.o
And on the immortal thing thats your interpretation.
Grey Templar wrote: I don't think Immortality as presented in the OP breaks any laws. Assumedly what is making you immortal is some wierd qwirk that prevents your body from degenerating as it ages. Which itself wouldn't violate any laws. You would still eat, drink, and sleep.
Sure it does. There is no escape from either the inevitable heat death of the universe (if it doesn't collapse back into itself) or the end of the universe. However, immortality requires breaking those: you have to have an eternal universe, but you also have to have an immortal being still alive in it. Besides the obvious fact that your body/mind/etc would be operating in direct contradiction to the laws of thermodynamics at that point, you'd also have to have an equally-violating area of human-habitable conditions since otherwise you would just instantly die and be reborn in an infinite cycle for the rest of eternity.
And then of course beyond the heat death of the universe there's things like the probably-inevitable decay of all matter, etc, which your existence would also require avoiding. Since these are inevitable consequences of fudamental laws of physics you'd have to completely re-write those fundamental laws and create a universe that would no longer be recognizable as ours.
But only at the time that problem would occur, and since the universe is getting destroyed at that moment I'm sure plenty of other wonky things are happening.
The opportunity to live a million lifetimes would be too good to pass up. Live one lifetime of piety, one of total sensuality, another of cruelty, it all sounds too fun! When you eventually became an insane mess by the end you get what you deserve for all that you tried too. Seems poetic.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote: The opportunity to live a million lifetimes would be too good to pass up. Live one lifetime of piety, one of total sensuality, another of cruelty, it all sounds too fun! When you eventually became an insane mess by the end you get what you deserve for all that you tried too. Seems poetic.
Dreadwinter wrote: Why does one assume that living forever would drive a person crazy?
Probably because after a period of time you would become incredibly bored. Not to mention absolutly jaded. You think your Grandparents are boring try someone thats lived 10 times as long and seen virtually everything.
So eventually you would become quite depressed.
Plus you would be alone. Your friends and family would all eventually die, and you are stuck with the sad reality that any new friends or family you make will die too. All that without the consolation that you too would eventually die so your suffering would end.
Perhaps you would be fine for a few hundred years, or maybe even a thousand, but eventually you would just want it to stop.
We'll find out as my followers learn from my teachings and choose their own path. The Canneruses of tomorrow will comprise a variety of walks of life.
Dreadwinter wrote: Why does one assume that living forever would drive a person crazy?
The vast majority of old people? That aside, there's not much other direction for the brain to go. At some point you'll stop relating to everyone around you and your beliefs will take off in some weird direction that makes perfect sense to you.
Asherian Command wrote: Well I did mention if you are like completely destroyed you'll comeback, but not at that instant you'll continue to exist just not in human form.
Anything that could reasonably be called "you" existing at the heat death of the universe would violate the laws of thermodynamics.
Grey Templar wrote: Probably because after a period of time you would become incredibly bored. Not to mention absolutly jaded. You think your Grandparents are boring try someone thats lived 10 times as long and seen virtually everything.
Most of that is due to chemicals in the brain. I hear new music now and I don't get that excited, and it isn't because I've heard new music before. I'd heard lots of new music when I was 20, but I still got a rush when I heard something new and amazing. It's because the chemicals that used to rush through my brain when I heard new music don't happen on the same level any more.
Take that effect, and apply it to things that are far more important than music. New experiences (especially scary/adrenaline pumping ones) don't produce the same buzz (I went on that rollercoaster in Vegas last year, and instead of getting the buzz I would have 10 years ago, it was mostly just kind of annoying). Meeting new people isn't as exciting as it once was (on the plus side it's also less nervous). And I'm not that old. Another 10 or 20 years and sex will be less important, not because I will have had more than I'd had when I was 20, but because the chemicals driving arousal and released during sex simply aren't released in the same quantities. Nor are the chemicals released that drive infatuation, or countless other human experiences.
If you are immortal and unchanging, then the chemicals in your brain will remain constant. You will get wiser, but you won't get any less vital.
Asherian Command wrote: Well I did mention if you are like completely destroyed you'll comeback, but not at that instant you'll continue to exist just not in human form.
Anything that could reasonably be called "you" existing at the heat death of the universe would violate the laws of thermodynamics.
Hypothetically anything being immortal and unchanging already violates most of the laws we know, so why would this one point be more offensive than any other?
Asherian Command wrote: Well I did mention if you are like completely destroyed you'll comeback, but not at that instant you'll continue to exist just not in human form.
Anything that could reasonably be called "you" existing at the heat death of the universe would violate the laws of thermodynamics.
Hypothetically anything being immortal and unchanging already violates most of the laws we know, so why would this one point be more offensive than any other?
That's my point. To become immortal and unchanging you have to break the laws of physics, so I'd take the offer just to see what would happen in a universe in which all the fundamental laws of physics just got rewritten. The heat death of the universe is just one obvious example that you can't loophole your way out of.
sebster wrote: I'd answer yes without hesitation. Death is bs.
Quoted for truth.
There's a life time of things to see and do. Live a life in every country on earth, know as much as you can, see your species travel to the stars... the possibilities are limitless... and if we manage to really gak ourselves up you'd be there to lead the survivors back to a solid civilization.
If you're immortal won't you get to the point where you're just floating in space constantly freezing and always feeling like you have no air in you're lungs why would you want that?
Cheesecat wrote: If you're immortal won't you get to the point where you're just floating in space constantly freezing and always feeling like you have no air in you're lungs why would you want that?
Eventually you would have to float across a habitable planet that you could settle and rule over for a few billion years. Then when that solar system goes bye bye its back to floating again for a few eons.
I'd like to live for a couple of thousand years. There's so many possibilities... 75 odd years seems like the blink of an eye to me.
I'd have to pass on immortality though. There would be a point where you've done everything and it becomes boring. Like a sandbox videogame, only you wouldn't be able to turn it off. You'd become a gibbering maniac drifting through space...
This is the easiest question I have ever been asked.
Yes. Obviously.
Even if the universe itself were not infinite save for myself, and knowing that ultimately I would be stuck in a Hellish void wherein only my own madness could occupy my attention, the answer would still be yes, yes, a thousand times yes.
Relapse wrote: Nope, the merry go round of watching friends and loved ones growing old and dying would be too depressing, let alone seeing it happen to civilizations.
Indeed, I can't phrase it better than this.
The only alternative to avoid insanity would be to complete divorce yourself from humanity, which sounds like a fairly crappy eternity.
All I’m saying is this. Nobody has to die. The only reason people die, is because everyone does it. You all just go along with it. It’s rubbish, death. It’s stupid. I don’t want nothing to do with it.
In all seriousness though, no. There's likely to be some point where I'll just be tired of it all. If there was the option to cash in that immortality when I want, I'd be all over that deal, but otherwise, no.
I'm going to say yes. I'd much rather exist than not exist and to be honest it's going to be rather hard to run out of novel experiences while the world is still relatively intact and we've got another few hundred million years of that probably.
The only real key would be finding a way to launch myself out of the solar system before the sun starts to die don't wind up at the center of the damn thing for another billion years while it decays, condemning me to an extraordinarily long period of fiery crushing torment.
I figure once I'm floating out in the emptiness of space until pretty much the heat death of the universe and beyond, after a relatively small time of being tormented by total isolation I'll go utterly mad and start hallucinating some semblance of an environment for myself. It won't -really- exist but after a few hundred years I won't even know the difference.
That's really a worse case scenario too. I think given a couple million years to really learn how my own mind works, I can just by practice work up some ability to influence my own dreams and could even set up my hallucination universe to be rather pleasant.
Even if all that is kaput, and I don't wind up hallucinating me an existence I figure floating for all eternity in a void of literally nothing becomes functionally identical to being dead in the first place. With no stimuli of any sort there ceases to be a difference between being awake and in dreamless sleep. I'm basically just buying a much longer life than anyone else.
Yes.
Imagine the collections I would make!
All that art...all that music...I would be just like Trazyn the Infinite, except 10% more insane from the loneliness.
infinite_array wrote: I have to ask - did the person who offered me the immortality have it in the first place? Can it then be passed on?
If so, then hell yes - it gives me all the time in the world for the Chosen One to be born, and then pass on the immortality to him/her.
To answer that its open to interpretations, I like riddles, and this is a riddle. Can you find the answer to the riddle? The Riddle has no right answer, it is what ever you think it is.
And no you cannot pass it. You will forever be alone, your immortal genes stick to you and no one else.
Its really an open ended question my own thoughts I really don't want to share because my thoughts on this matter are quite offensive to a large amount of teenagers my age. Most kids my age see death as kind of the end all be all. I see it more as the next journey. Here are my thoughts on humanity. Notice I am writer who has used two immortal characters in their stories, and I recently read a few very interesting books. I plan on asking kids of my age the same question. I know what to expect from some though.
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Being immortal would be cool and all but you would still experience pain, fear, hate, loss, a lot of loss, seeing as you would be all thats left of your generation and your family in the next thousand years. Yes I would get to see my descendants but so what. Thats a small time compared to the next millennial where humanity might not exist. A trillion years when universe has ended and restarted you will be alone, absolutely and positively alone. No guidance, nothing, just you by yourself, the only thing that comforts you is yourself. You would be all that was left of humanity. Your memories would be entrenched with details. But you are so far removed from the rest of the universe that you have no idea. A new universe sprouts up and begins a new cycle, you will forever be bound to existance, never to die, just to watch and observe. Immortality is a curse, there is nothing more worse than seeing a death of a civilization over and over again, even of a race.
Easy E wrote: Only if I get a sweet theme song by Queen and the chance to battle other immortals to cut off their heads and gain the power of the Quickening.
Edit: I'm also not convinced Madness is by default "a bad thing".
Indeed, after a few millienia I'd just change my name to Sheogorath. And then mad fun begins
Well I personnaly look it from this viewpoint: Life is a piece of time in which I can complete any achievement I want, say family, love, friendship, etc. But with immortality and the missing death, I do not have that time restriction which would mean, I could achieve ANYTHING.
Now sounds good doesnt it?
There comes a point which has been mentioned a few times in this thread: The achievements are not eternal! I would have to see my family crumble to dust and my love die. My greatest inventions would be forgotten as the time passes.
Achieving everything only to see it crumble is a torture no being could survive and hope to preserve its sanity, being immortal or not.
Would my body become old and frail? I'm assuming if I regenerated from wounds, body wear and tear would be fixed as these are "wounds". So a few things might happen. I would never age past my "prime" leaving me somewhere between 24 and 35. At that age, it would be fairly simple to spend a few centuries traveling town to town taking over a new identity once every 50 to 75 years. There are too many people in the world for someone to recognize you and go, "Uncle bob? Is that you?" It would give you plenty of chances to see the world, explore all of it's wonders. I could see spending a lifetime or so in each country of the world, hoping for the day where we finally take to the stars. Once we do this, away we go! The other thing about the "fixing of my body" is that it could in theory burn away things that prevent you from being the best you that you can achieve. This means no illness, no loss of limb or functionality, and maybe even a new chiseled physique. So getting the ladies wouldn't be too hard to do based on pure looks, and as someone that has seen centuries of life, you would be very well learned.
So there is that. One also has to remember that as you age, time seems to speed up. days, months, years, go faster simply because you've experienced them more. After a thousand years or so, a century won't seem like much, a month, a day, a year... all small potatoes. I think that is what could giving living forever it's advantage. Eventually time would move at such a pace that you would be experiencing millenia as though they were days.
I wouldn't mind being immortal and invincible. I might actually find some painting time.
SilverMK2 wrote: The super healing is interesting - would it stop you being augmented with machines, implants or genetic modifications?
This could be a deal-breaker for me, I don't think I could watch humanity progress to a post-human state and be left behind. If I was allowed to become cybernetic or merge my conciousness with a computer then it's all good.
I think I'd still say yes though if it came down to it, I really want to see what happens with us next, and what an ice age looks like in person.
tyrant of loserville wrote: Id ask if he wanted to die and if he is trying to get rid of his immortality. If that was his only salvation I would take it even knowing I could not do the same.
What would happen if I went comatose or hibernation along the lines of millions of years? Would the rules stop the coma or prolonged sleep? When the universe compresses back to zero what happens to my body and consciousness?
The universe is expanding at an increasing rate, it cannot re-compress via the current understanding of physics. It will simply continue to expand until the space between matter is so vast that there is literally no free energy left and the universes temperature reaches a flat average. It'll suck, and you, as the undestroyable one, will sit there floating in an endless expanse of dark vacuum.
I have to join the nay-sayers here and say, that immortality, such as you have laid it out, would be miserable. No thanks.
Something interesting to find out would be the age ranges Or life experiences of those who favor immortality and those who wouldn't want it.
For myself, I've been around long enough to see friends and family die in all manner of ways and really wouldn't want an eternity of that.
Relapse wrote: Something interesting to find out would be the age ranges Or life experiences of those who favor immortality and those who wouldn't want it.
For myself, I've been around long enough to see friends and family die in all manner of ways and really wouldn't want an eternity of that.
I suspect you would get over it, eventually. Much as you get over a group of friends that you have since moved away from. There are always more, platonic and otherwise, fish in the sea.
The population genetics implications of me being able to insert my genetic code into mankind's genepool that often over time are defintely pretty interesting!
I think I'd say yes. I would want to see what happens, I don't want to die, and I think I could deal with the side effects, they wouldn't be that much worse than aging and decaying and dying anyway.
Easy E wrote: Only if I get a sweet theme song by Queen and the chance to battle other immortals to cut off their heads and gain the power of the Quickening.
Edit: I'm also not convinced Madness is by default "a bad thing".
thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote: The universe is expanding at an increasing rate, it cannot re-compress via the current understanding of physics. It will simply continue to expand until the space between matter is so vast that there is literally no free energy left and the universes temperature reaches a flat average. It'll suck, and you, as the undestroyable one, will sit there floating in an endless expanse of dark vacuum.
Highlighted the important part. Your continued existence in the heat death of the universe violates the laws of physics, so the laws of physics have to change to grant you immortality.
Highlighted the important part. Your continued existence in the heat death of the universe violates the laws of physics, so the laws of physics have to change to grant you immortality.
Who assumed a heat death of the Universe (and you must assume it)? Certainly not I, nor the person you quoted. That only leaves everyone else, and you; but only one of those sets is relevant here.
dogma wrote: Who assumed a heat death of the Universe (and you must assume it)? Certainly not I, nor the person you quoted. That only leaves everyone else, and you; but only one of those sets is relevant here.
Err, what? You do realize that the person I quoted described the heat death of the universe even if they didn't use the words "heat death" in the process, right?
Da Boss wrote: The population genetics implications of me being able to insert my genetic code into mankind's genepool that often over time are defintely pretty interesting!
That's an interesting way to put getting laid, does that line pretty well?
Err, what? You do realize that the person I quoted described the heat death of the universe even if they didn't use the words "heat death" in the process, right?
Without any sort of special abilities, being invincible could suck. As in if you piss someone off they could stick you in a tank full of water and you experience drowning for a very long time.
sebster wrote:Most of that is due to chemicals in the brain. I hear new music now and I don't get that excited, and it isn't because I've heard new music before. I'd heard lots of new music when I was 20, but I still got a rush when I heard something new and amazing. It's because the chemicals that used to rush through my brain when I heard new music don't happen on the same level any more.
Take that effect, and apply it to things that are far more important than music. New experiences (especially scary/adrenaline pumping ones) don't produce the same buzz (I went on that rollercoaster in Vegas last year, and instead of getting the buzz I would have 10 years ago, it was mostly just kind of annoying). Meeting new people isn't as exciting as it once was (on the plus side it's also less nervous). And I'm not that old. Another 10 or 20 years and sex will be less important, not because I will have had more than I'd had when I was 20, but because the chemicals driving arousal and released during sex simply aren't released in the same quantities. Nor are the chemicals released that drive infatuation, or countless other human experiences.
Oh god, you make growing old sound really scary, where can I find some chemicals to pump in me to stop this happening, I don't want to grow up now.
Asherian Command wrote:Its really an open ended question my own thoughts I really don't want to share because my thoughts on this matter are quite offensive to a large amount of teenagers my age. Most kids my age see death as kind of the end all be all.
I've never heard many people being 'offended' by anything concerning immortality, though I think lots of people will disagree with you and refuse but I doubt offended.
Honestly, I see the biggest issue as the lack of evolution. In a million years, you will be this really old wise dude with tons of life experience but to the humans of 'today' you'll be like a museum piece. You may well be bat gak crazy by then also so they're just shove you a tank in like Cardiff Museum or something and you would spend several thousand years being gawped at kids on school trips as you drool and poo yourself.
That doesn't even make any sense as a reply. Did you just throw some random words together to avoid admitting that you were wrong?
No, I referenced a well established concept; the heat death paradox. If you continue to exist in the event of the "heat death" of the universe, then it is not the "heat death" of the universe. Moreover, there is a decent argument that, because we are having this conversation, the universe cannot experience "heat death".
That doesn't even make any sense as a reply. Did you just throw some random words together to avoid admitting that you were wrong?
No, I referenced a well established concept; the heat death paradox. If you continue to exist in the event of the "heat death" of the universe, then it is not the "heat death" of the universe. Moreover, there is a decent argument that, because we are having this conversation, the universe cannot experience "heat death".
More of a side question than anything, under what circumstances did you first learn that term?
But that's not an answer. Let's review the conversation:
Me: blah blah blah heat death.
You: why are you talking about heat death, nobody else is?
Me: WTF, I just quoted someone who was talking about heat death, pay attention.
You: PARADOX!
So how exactly does "Heat death paradox" fit into this conversation?
If you continue to exist in the event of the "heat death" of the universe, then it is not the "heat death" of the universe.
Sigh. That's exactly what I said.
Moreover, there is a decent argument that, because we are having this conversation, the universe cannot experience "heat death".
Not really, since the paradox you mentioned only applies to a static universe, and it's pretty much settled that the universe is expanding.
So how exactly does "Heat death paradox" fit into this conversation?
It doesn't.
Ok, so you just quoted my post for no reason, and didn't feel the need to offer any context for your comment. I guess if you feel that non-constructive posting is enjoyable and the moderators don't mind then you can do it that way, but I really don't see the appeal.
i'd start my own country and single handedly take over the world, after all, i cant die so who'll stop me? then once I gew bored of these playthings I would institute countries with prechosen leader maybe act as a puppet controller of the world for a while to see if that amused me, depending on technology I would probably launch myself out of a railgun and see what exoplanets are like. build a railgun and return to earth in a couple hundred years see if people still remember me, they probably would but not recognize me. after that I might see if I could find any aliens, because I have so much time I'd design a ship that makes a quatum leap over the speed of light and lets me accelerate. maybe have a hobby of killing alien by punching them in their faces. oh yeah and I'd take every drug known to man at least once just to see what it was like
Lord-Loss wrote: Oh god, you make growing old sound really scary, where can I find some chemicals to pump in me to stop this happening, I don't want to grow up now.
It's good and its bad. Stuff is less exciting, but it's also less stressful.
I would forgo immortality every time without question. Life is only good so long as the ability to lose it exists, otherwise it's not a transitive state, but a constant.
Lord-Loss wrote: Oh god, you make growing old sound really scary, where can I find some chemicals to pump in me to stop this happening, I don't want to grow up now.
It's good and its bad. Stuff is less exciting, but it's also less stressful.
My bills disagree with you on that last point Sebs.
I said no, because how this is going, I'd see it as living a very long time, all the way down through the generations, seeing the people, the world, and the universe as we understand it changing. But if the universe ends, 'you', as in your disembodied thought patterns, will be stuck in a void of absolute nothingness. No sensory input at all. All that's left is your own thoughts and memories. In fact, the concept of the universe no longer existing, the prospect that absolutely everything you knew was gone, perhaps even forever, could instantly drive you insane. You might end up in your own imaginary universe, which quite ironically in theory, since your mind is the only thing left in creation, this imaginary universe is the universe. That could be nice, left in your own heaven for eternity. However, the other option is hell: your mind basically scrambles to the effect that all that's left in creation is a reeling convulsing mind pattern, completely incoherent and losing the identity of the person you were. For all intents and purposes, that is pretty much death, and I think I'd rather go the normal way than having to suffer through that horrifying concept.
