Heard through the grapevine that GW may re-release Advanced Heroquest as their 2013 Big Box game, but this was a he-said, she-said, knows-somebody who works for blahblahblah kinda thing. (ie, keep yer wallets in yer pants...)

My question to you folks who are more plugged in to the GW community: when does GW typically begin releasing hints and information on what their fall big box game might be?

And in the event I'm either totally wrong, or somewhat wrong, is there a thread here already speculating on the 2013 big box game that might have more information? A quick search came up with nada. Thanks!

Sound more like wishinglisting to me, but I have to say that I'd insta buy a new HeroQuest or Advanced HeroQuest edition.

Hints? Information? What are these? They certainly don't belong in a sentence with GW...

I would be surprised if this happened.

Surely, if they were going to do something in this vein then Warhammer Quest would be better all round?

Questions about rumors do not go in News and Rumors, amusingly enough.

Last we heard, it was Bloodbowl though.

I would totally get that. Think my wife would enjoy it too.

I would say no because that would fall outside the main three games and GW doesn't like to try new things anymore after Dreadfleet
probably some new game they'll make with space marines in it
if its anything at all

I can only dream, I'm pretty new to the miniatures scene (and boardgames in general) and Warhammer Quest looks sodding amazing! I'd have to wonder how faithful a remake (miniature count an' all that) it would be but with the inclusion of expansion packs further down the line to flesh it out a bit makes me think it could easily work like Soda Pop miniatures Super Dungeon Explore, GeeDub might find that option attractive in the long run, for obvious reasons. From what I understand this game has a rather cult following, Super Dungeon Explore is supposedly very popular too, there's an obvious demand for that kind of product.

I would dearly love to see more of GW's 'specialist' games, even if it is a boxed one off. Seems I missed that era :(

Take my money.

Blood Bowl please

If a one off release, I will accept 4 teams in the box (Human, Orc, Elf and Chaos) with a few star players.

What we will probably get is 22 players from a wacky variety of races and each game you have to "pick teams". GW, please take note that this approach would be rubbish.

I'd heard gorkamorka, then bloodbowl, now heroquest...


It would not surprise me if GW did dump out a special edition of some sort seeing how KS boardgames with minis have been doing,

but I don't think there'd be any leaks about it until much closer to launch,

and I really doubt they'd do anything that needed any followup support even if they did relaunch anything, it would be another special limited edition to sell out at once and be forgotten

Maybe after all 3 Hobbit movies and the licence have been and gone they might consider something ongoing, but not until then

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
I would say no because that would fall outside the main three games and GW doesn't like to try new things anymore after Dreadfleet
probably some new game they'll make with space marines in it
if its anything at all

If there really is a new box coming out this year again, then it's design work must have started before Dreadfleet was released.

At any rate, I doubt GW would be so easily discouraged.

yeah but also keep into factor GW doesn't seem to know or care whats big
it will be limited edition and even if it does sell, no one is gonna play it (not in store anyways, people just took the minis from space hulk after that was declared) so it will be a waste
they tried something new with Dreadfleet and it failed because well the price was too high for a one off board game, and you'd not be able to play it in the stores after it sold out
you can't have success in a board game like that if you make it limited edition

limited editions and remakes (ala monopoly) work because its a neat variation on an already popular game
but some random one off, no, what intensive do I or anyone really have to drop 150+ dollars on a board game I can't play at the store, has no support and will vanish so it won't have a large player base vs a board game like Super Dungeon Explore which has support, isn't limited edition and is cheaper
(yes there's no set store for that one but one would expect to be able to play a game you bought at GW at GW otherwise they're just overpriced shelf pieces and a neat looking table cloth)

 Scrub wrote:
I can only dream, I'm pretty new to the miniatures scene (and boardgames in general) and Warhammer Quest looks sodding amazing! I'd have to wonder how faithful a remake (miniature count an' all that) it would be but with the inclusion of expansion packs further down the line to flesh it out a bit makes me think it could easily work like Soda Pop miniatures Super Dungeon Explore, GeeDub might find that option attractive in the long run, for obvious reasons. From what I understand this game has a rather cult following, Super Dungeon Explore is supposedly very popular too, there's an obvious demand for that kind of product.

I would dearly love to see more of GW's 'specialist' games, even if it is a boxed one off. Seems I missed that era :(

Warhammer Quest was fantastic. Back when it was being supported White Dwarf used to have content for it - waterfront encounters, dealing with Chaos cults, additional items. They even had a series on bringing your characters into Warhammer itself.

If only GW decided to do more to support the specialist games that they've long since ignored.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'd heard gorkamorka, then bloodbowl, now heroquest...


It would not surprise me if GW did dump out a special edition of some sort seeing how KS boardgames with minis have been doing,

but I don't think there'd be any leaks about it until much closer to launch,

Does anyone have any idea when they launch their big box games? I'm keen to know when I might hear more about whatever it is (and how cool would that be if AHQ, or even WHQ were "picked"?)

I missed Space hulk, and can't remember dreadfleet (though was one of the relatively few who was stoked about it... pretty funny, because though it's all nicely painted up, it hasn't yet been played!)

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Scrub wrote:
I can only dream, I'm pretty new to the miniatures scene (and boardgames in general) and Warhammer Quest looks sodding amazing! I'd have to wonder how faithful a remake (miniature count an' all that) it would be but with the inclusion of expansion packs further down the line to flesh it out a bit makes me think it could easily work like Soda Pop miniatures Super Dungeon Explore, GeeDub might find that option attractive in the long run, for obvious reasons. From what I understand this game has a rather cult following, Super Dungeon Explore is supposedly very popular too, there's an obvious demand for that kind of product.

I would dearly love to see more of GW's 'specialist' games, even if it is a boxed one off. Seems I missed that era :(

Warhammer Quest was fantastic. Back when it was being supported White Dwarf used to have content for it - waterfront encounters, dealing with Chaos cults, additional items. They even had a series on bringing your characters into Warhammer itself.

If only GW decided to do more to support the specialist games that they've long since ignored.

Holy gak!

GW sounded awesome back in the day, it's no wonder they've built up such a huge following! It's a bit sad though, realizing that they're are nothing like that these days, there's no way White Dwarf has ever been that useful as long as I've read it! Anyway, I'm not here to whinge but I genuinely hope that they sort something out, what you describe sounds just like the other good enthusiastic musings I've heard for this game too.

its not a bad game its just, well it came totally out of nowhere, was so unlike anything they had done, and was a limited run so couldn't build any player base
had it been allowed to stick around I think it could have done better

1.) GW never released Heroquest, so can't rerelease Heroquest. MB released it and I doubt they lost all rights on that game. GW released Warhammer Quest, also a really fun game a bit similar to Heroquest.
2.) FFG aquired the right to do boardgames of the GW IP, if those boardgames are not miniature centered. FFG does the game Descent, too similar to Warhammer Quest to do both. So I am not sure where the rights are for Warhammer Quest.
3.) GW made a big-box-release every two years, so there might be one this year. Bloodbowl might not qualify for that slot as it might be seen as a specialist game (that's what Harry thought). Hastings confirmed that there is a Bloodbowl box in the works, but we haven't heard anything about it for a year. Personally, I don't need a Bloodbowl box, as there are so excellent teams and playing mats by other companies plus the established rules that are supposedly not changing.
4.) I haven't heard anything about a Warhammer Quest box except wishlisting, including my wshlisting. But knowing GW, they would again botch the chance and make it a super expensive limited release with stock lasting for 2 days, so that it can't attract new customers.

Bloodbowl be damned! I want Battlefleet Gothic!

For me Warhammer Quest would make sense but I can't see them giving it the support it would need long term. They could do it as direct only as they already sell the vast majority of models (monsters) which they could easily bundle together to represent the different battle levels. They could release single plastic adventurer kits (or else finecast) as well. It would be a good move given the popularity of dungeon crawlers - for all these reasons I doubt it

I'd buy it if they updated it in a similar fashion as Space Hulk - it could be endlessly expandable but I feel GW doesn't have the business savvy to see it through.

I don't think Fantasy Flight have the rights to it - as it's a game with miniatures. I emailed them way back about it and they said while they have the rights to Fury of Dracula and the Horus Heresy they do not have the rights to any games with miniatures - such as Blood Bowl (the example they gave me) - so for me it's still GW who has the rights to it.

Who knows, given the tablet game on the horizon maybe there's a slim ray of hope but I wouldn't bet on it myself.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Bloodbowl be damned! I want Battlefleet Gothic!

It's there if you want it...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat480005a&categoryId=6700003a§ion=&aId=21500018a

And only £15 for two basic ships. A bargain I say.

 Kroothawk wrote:
1.) GW never released Heroquest, so can't rerelease Heroquest. MB released it and I doubt they lost all rights on that game. GW released Warhammer Quest, also a really fun game a bit similar to Heroquest.

Heroquest was a MB release, in partnership with GW.
Advanced Heroquest was a GW release.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
1.) GW never released Heroquest, so can't rerelease Heroquest. MB released it and I doubt they lost all rights on that game. GW released Warhammer Quest, also a really fun game a bit similar to Heroquest.

Heroquest was a MB release, in partnership with GW.
Advanced Heroquest was a GW release.

Well done that man!

What 20 posts in and you're the first to cotton on to the title of the thread!

Advanced HQ wasn't that well played at the time but the later Warhammer.quest was.much more popular. That said like liked the former but never played the latter.

If anytging gw will make WQ; I don't see anyone touching Advanced HQ as if nothing else it suggests that there is a lesser Heroquest available (ref the "Madness of King George III").

I think a generic 'Dungeon Crawl' game using the WHFB setting seems a lot more likely than anything tied to an old release, if anything. 'Advanced' is probably scary to marketing types, as it implies customers might be missing something.

Would definitely be interested in this if they did re-release it, the originals were a lot of fun.

That being said, there are plenty of other alternatives out there - the D&D games, Descent has been newly re-released, plus no doubt more that I'm not aware of.

 Balance wrote:
I think a generic 'Dungeon Crawl' game using the WHFB setting seems a lot more likely than anything tied to an old release, if anything. 'Advanced' is probably scary to marketing types, as it implies customers might be missing something.

that implies GW understands how to market to anyone, or that they do besides giving it a generic grimdark name and putting too many skulls on it

 pretre wrote:
Questions about rumors do not go in News and Rumors, amusingly enough.

Last we heard, it was Bloodbowl though.

They gotta stick it to Mantic, Eh? How dare you do a fantasy sports ball game!

Bloodbowl is their most popular Specialist Game, I believe? So putting out new version would definitely make sense. OTOH, releasing it as a limited edition box would not.

Backfire wrote:
Bloodbowl is their most popular Specialist Game, I believe? So putting out new version would definitely make sense. OTOH, releasing it as a limited edition box would not.

I'd wager money its some weird never seen limited edition box rather then something smart like necromunda or blood bowl or BFG
and I am not the gambling type

Usually these one-offs come around August, just in time to get in to the Xmas market.

As for Dreadfleet, what were they thinking?

xraytango wrote:
Usually these one-offs come around August, just in time to get in to the Xmas market.

As for Dreadfleet, what were they thinking?

they assumed their brand name would carry whatever they tossed out, they were wrong
it wasn't the GW brand that made Space Hulk sell it was nostalgia and a good set of miniatures that could be used in 40k
Dreadfleet had neither

In fairness to GW, lets give them some props for trying out something new instead of just putting out more Space Marines. It was hilarious how people complain about GW putting too much attention to Space Marines, and when Dreadfleet came out, people complained how it wasn't Space Marines.

No fething way, please let this be true, i'd buy a new Advanced Heroquest at the drop of a hat. I still have the original, all the corridor tiles and doors, the heroes, henchmen and skaven and the original box

I never played Warhammer Quest as at the time it was at the fore all my wargaming friends and i moved on to new schools, colleges and that but it looked like good fun.

Backfire wrote:
Bloodbowl is their most popular Specialist Game, I believe? So putting out new version would definitely make sense. OTOH, releasing it as a limited edition box would not.

Specalist games don't fit in with GW's current business model, thats why the last vesitges of Epic (Which used to be a core game and its current ruleset is probably the best wargame that GW currently sells) are slowly evaporating from the dank dungeons of direct only due to idiotic pricing and a complete lack of support for a decade.

The wisdom of that is debatable but GW knows best I'm sure.

If GW were to re-release a specalist game then BB would be the sensible choice; you could easily fit the core of what is needed in a boxed game, BB still has a solid following and the BB computer game created at least a bit of extra publicity. Faiiling that one of the Skirimish games would work (Necromunda for preference). I doubt that a revamped WHQ will ever see the light of day, it would require too many bits, too much work and would doubtlessly be viewed as too complex. there is also the possible issue of creating some frictions with Fantasy Flight.

Backfire wrote:
In fairness to GW, lets give them some props for trying out something new instead of just putting out more Space Marines. It was hilarious how people complain about GW putting too much attention to Space Marines, and when Dreadfleet came out, people complained how it wasn't Space Marines.

I liked Dreadfleet and even bought a copy, still doesn't take away the problems with it

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

xraytango wrote:
Usually these one-offs come around August, just in time to get in to the Xmas market.

As for Dreadfleet, what were they thinking?

they assumed their brand name would carry whatever they tossed out, they were wrong
it wasn't the GW brand that made Space Hulk sell it was nostalgia and a good set of miniatures that could be used in 40k
Dreadfleet had neither

Also when it came down to it, Space Hulk was simply a better game! I got the feeling with Dreadfleet that someone had had some good ideas, but it had been murdered by committee at the development stage.

Although as Backfire says I too was glad GW tried something new - they aren't really holding to the 'games' part of their name at all these days, just trotting out the same old stuff for their warhammer/LoTR games, so it was nice that they had tried something new. Sadly though if it didn't sell out, I guess the chances of a repeat (and having a new game - new version of Dark Future or something? How cool would that be!) are somewhat less now.

 Kroothawk wrote:

2.) FFG aquired the right to do boardgames of the GW IP, if those boardgames are not miniature centered. FFG does the game Descent, too similar to Warhammer Quest to do both. So I am not sure where the rights are for Warhammer Quest.

Descent looks pretty interesting. Have you played It? How does it compare to other dungeon crawlers? Is it a good replacement for Warhammer Quest?

Advanced Heroquest? The Ladys name feth yes please! I managed to buy a 2nd hand one at a charity shop. It is great fun and i often play it utilising the solo rules. I would buy it gladly.

If not then possibly a Man-O-War? i Mean its virtually impossible to get hold of these days and i am after one. But please no more speese merenes or city sized sailing ships.

Hero Quest would be like printing money I would think.

 AduroT wrote:
Hero Quest would be like printing money I would think.

So you can bet money they won't do it.

With the quality of the last Space Hulk box, I can only imagine what a new Necromunda would look like compared to the original. They could have 3-4 gangs in the box, all with unique poses this time. The high quality card-stock Space Hulk board could lend itself to amazing Necromunda scenery.

I always wondered why GW didn't move the specialist games like that over to Forgeworld. Rather than these limited edition releases with no chance of future support, they could make the range available via Forge World resin and publish the rules online once the original boxed game ran out. FW can easily keep things supported as they're already designed to handle lower volumes. Imagine a new Necromunda gang plus rules every few months, new Gorkamorka vehicles, or new terrain for either a la Zone Mortalis. They'd be perfect for supporting things like Warhammer Quest also, which often used to feature new releases of single miniatures.

Of course all these would require GW to be run by people who actually enjoy the hobby, rather than people who relish diving into pits of children's christmas money like Scrooge McDuck.

I would not be surprised to see a 'Bloodbowl' release that broke compatibility with existing copies... New mechanics or some sort of gimmick that make it difficult to keep using old minis.

then its limited release so goes away and forbids blood bowl from being played in store

Zwan1One wrote:
Descent looks pretty interesting. Have you played It? How does it compare to other dungeon crawlers? Is it a good replacement for Warhammer Quest?

It is different gamewise, as one player is the Dungeon Master trying to win against the team. Easier if the team is 2 player, okay if 3, hard if 4.
I played 1st edition, which has over 20 heroes and 80+ monsters in the starter. 2nd edition has considerably less and AFAIK somewhat simpler rules.
Game is still good as basic gaming material for RPG games, but 1st edition box may sell for a lot now.

I liked dreadfleet, I'm not ashamed of that!

As for bloodbowl, could never figure out what the fuss was all about.

Before anyone gets too carried away in this thread, remember two things.

1) This is an absolutely unconfirmed 4th hand rumor coming from only one person.

2) Heroquest is not a GW game. It's a Milton Bradley game done with some input from GW. Aside from LoTR, it's been a long time since GW licensed a name/game/whatever from anyone.

I'd buy it in a heart beat. But when I emailed Jarvis a while back, they've destroyed the moulds and it would be to expensive to remould for a limited release.

xttz wrote:
I always wondered why GW didn't move the specialist games like that over to Forgeworld. Rather than these limited edition releases with no chance of future support, they could make the range available via Forge World resin and publish the rules online once the original boxed game ran out. FW can easily keep things supported as they're already designed to handle lower volumes. Imagine a new Necromunda gang plus rules every few months, new Gorkamorka vehicles, or new terrain for either a la Zone Mortalis. They'd be perfect for supporting things like Warhammer Quest also, which often used to feature new releases of single miniatures.

Why do you want me to be poor?

 Scrub wrote:

Holy gak!

GW sounded awesome back in the day, it's no wonder they've built up such a huge following! It's a bit sad though, realizing that they're are nothing like that these days, there's no way White Dwarf has ever been that useful as long as I've read it! Anyway, I'm not here to whinge but I genuinely hope that they sort something out, what you describe sounds just like the other good enthusiastic musings I've heard for this game too.

White Dwarf used to be fantastic for additional content - mission cards, spells, scenarios, they even released the Battlefleet Gothic playtest rules so people could scratch build and playtest the rules before release. Sadly I don't think we'll see the like of those days again.
Warhammer Quest was really well supported for a while with add-on quest packs and also add-on characters like the Elf Ranger, Witch Hunter, War Dancer, Imperial Noble and Chaos Warrior. Sadly I don't think we ever got an official release of the much hinted at Halfling Thief. Some of the sculpts are so good that they could still be used along side today's releases. It was also a great game for those people who loved the Warhammer models but didn't want to collect an army, you could paint up a small collection of whatever race you wanted as enemy NPCs.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
As for bloodbowl, could never figure out what the fuss was all about.

It's fun if you do a full 'league' and treat it as a fun beer & pretzels kind of game. Quick-playing teams beating the snot out of each other.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Hero Quest would be like printing money I would think.

So you can bet money they won't do it.

So GW don't care about money and are totally devoted to producing high quality models?

You sir are deluded

 BryllCream wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Hero Quest would be like printing money I would think.

So you can bet money they won't do it.

So GW don't care about money and are totally devoted to producing high quality models?

You sir are deluded

ha quality

Eilif wrote:
Before anyone gets too carried away in this thread, remember two things.

2) Heroquest is not a GW game. It's a Milton Bradley game done with some input from GW. Aside from LoTR, it's been a long time since GW licensed a name/game/whatever from anyone.

And, as was pointed out on the first page of this thread Advanced Heroquest was a completely GW game (you're confusing it with Heroquest).

My bad.

Still, it's an awful lot of excitement, for an unverified 4th hand remark.

Eilif wrote:
My bad.

Still, it's an awful lot of excitement, for an unverified 4th hand remark.

I'm not excited by anything, not a damn thing

Zwan1One wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

2.) FFG aquired the right to do boardgames of the GW IP, if those boardgames are not miniature centered. FFG does the game Descent, too similar to Warhammer Quest to do both. So I am not sure where the rights are for Warhammer Quest.

Descent looks pretty interesting. Have you played It? How does it compare to other dungeon crawlers? Is it a good replacement for Warhammer Quest?

Descent 1st edition is really fun, but quests can take a long time (6 hour session is pretty normal) and the game can get bit laborous, especially the campaign. Good thing is that DM tries to win and has a liberty to be as sadistic as he/she possibly can. Later expansions can be really unbalanced and buggy, though.

Descent 2nd edition, hasn't played it yet, but it's much simpler & quicker to play. Probably fun for a newcomer, but some 1st edition veterans seem to hate it.

 BryllCream wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Hero Quest would be like printing money I would think.

So you can bet money they won't do it.

So GW don't care about money and are totally devoted to producing high quality models?

You sir are deluded

If they really wanted to do things to make alot of money, they would print more of the special edition rulebooks and codexes, keep making Space Hulk -it would keep selling, advertise their stuff a little more, and do a occasional sales.

As it is, they are greatly limiting their revenue stream in an attempt to keep their revenue fairly steady. Big spikes in either direction are bad. Low spikes are bad for obvious reasons. High spikes are also bad, as once the overly-good month is past, the following months look disproportionately bad in comparison.


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Please note that I am not saying this is a good idea, or that I agree with it in any way - I was simply stating what GW is trying to do with their current business model.

I want it!

Wouldn't Space Crusade (or whatever it was called) make more sense? 40k is more popular than fantasy.

Space Crusade was also an MB game, I believe.

 filbert wrote:
Space Crusade was also an MB game, I believe.

As with Heroquest, GW put out an Advanced Space Crusade, although it was a very different game.

Yeah I remember that one - I seem to remember Tyranid hive ship tiles that you recycled from the back to the front as you advanced through the ship - along with those butt-ugly plastic Tyranid warriors.

I think at this point, the list of games they could re-issue is huge but I think we need to be realistic and assume it is more likely to be one of the more popular efforts like Bloodbowl. Personally, I am waiting for the re-issue of the Jervis Johnson Wargames Series (for those that remember )

At some point that game became Tyranid Attack. I loved that game.

I still think they should re-release Warhammer Quest. That'd work very well as a stand-alone product.

Why Advanced Heroquest rather than Warhammer Quest?

The Milton Bradley Heroquest is one of the reason's I became interested in GW minis. I had a friend who's older brother started painting the skeletons and chaos warriors and I was hooked!

I'd certainly jump on an Advanced Heroquest if they released it.

As far as I can remember the Heroquest name belongs to Milton Bradley.

That's why when GW released another dungeon based game they called it Warhammer Quest.

So an Advanced Heroquest re-release would have to be under a different name, which seems unlikely.

I still don't think GW is smart enough to release something everyone likes or wants
if they actually made a good decision and released a good game, and not limited edition garbage, I think I'd buy an army, new, from them (and I've not bought anything in that mass since I was 16)

As long as they arn't made of finecrap.

They NEED to restart the specialist games line, and stop messing around.


I would really like to see a rerelease of Warhammer Quest. That box had a great bunch of stuff in it.

Darn, I miss the old days....

 Grot 6 wrote:
As long as they arn't made of finecrap.

They NEED to restart the specialist games line, and stop messing around.


I would really like to see a rerelease of Warhammer Quest. That box had a great bunch of stuff in it.

Darn, I miss the old days....

personally I hope they stay away from them, because then they might discontinue the back logs and make it a limited time only thing and you'll never be able to play that game in store again

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
I still don't think GW is smart enough to release something everyone likes or wants
if they actually made a good decision and released a good game, and not limited edition garbage, I think I'd buy an army, new, from them (and I've not bought anything in that mass since I was 16)

Limited edition boxes are in fact quite smart strategy. They don't compete with their existing products, and people don't even expect them to be supported.

But it's annoying as hell. I liked the look of Space Hulk . . . oh wait it's sold out. At least release it in good numbers!

If it's a new game, then maybe don't produce a lot of copies so you don't have a Dreadfleet.

Backfire wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
I still don't think GW is smart enough to release something everyone likes or wants
if they actually made a good decision and released a good game, and not limited edition garbage, I think I'd buy an army, new, from them (and I've not bought anything in that mass since I was 16)

Limited edition boxes are in fact quite smart strategy. They don't compete with their existing products, and people don't even expect them to be supported.

yeah but a lot of people won't buy them
people didn't expect, when space hulk came out, that'd they'd not let you play in the store once it was gone
people knew that, when Dreadfleet came out, so people who would have bought it for friendly store pick up games, didn't
and we all know how well that game sold
its fine and well on paper, but if the person only plays at GW (say if thats the only place to play, due to lack of space at home and or no one to play with) well then its just something that will get snubbed
there are nicer, supported, cheaper board games out there

For some reason no mere mortal can understand, GW managers are horrified by the idea of recruiting new customers. Therefore no advertising, no introductory products, no distribution in general toy stores and skyrocketing hurdles for people wanting to start any of the basic three game systems. Until that is fixed, I can't see GW making anything like Space Hulk, Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl available to the general public.

 Kroothawk wrote:
For some reason no mere mortal can understand, GW managers are horrified by the idea of recruiting new customers. Therefore no advertising, no introductory products, no distribution in general toy stores and skyrocketing hurdles for people wanting to start any of the basic three game systems. Until that is fixed, I can't see GW making anything like Space Hulk, Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl available to the general public.

they think sitting in their stores and trying to sell overpriced model kits to kids is the best strategy and feel the internet is a fad that will never last and that they are the only miniature company on the market
I do wonder what they'll be like in 10 years

In GW's defence, all of their specialist games are available to the general public, just not in boxed format (except for Blood Bowl which you can still buy).

Furthermore, the rules are completely free and even if the old minis aren't available anymore (and for the most part, they are), with a bit of imagination, you can easily use the current range.

Yes, it would be nice to see updated versions (see my Blood Bowl request at the beginning of the thread), but would that then kill off the Specialist Games section of the website... incidentally, the only part of the GW website worth visiting now.

The exceptions to this are Space Hulk which has been and gone and Warhammer Quest which hasn't been kept alive via Specialist Games. Limited edition Space Hulk remains a dumb decision by GW, but I maintain that having played it a lot recently, WHQ wasn't all that, so not that bothered about seeing it resurrected.

 Kroothawk wrote:
For some reason no mere mortal can understand, GW managers are horrified by the idea of recruiting new customers. Therefore no advertising, no introductory products, no distribution in general toy stores and skyrocketing hurdles for people wanting to start any of the basic three game systems. Until that is fixed, I can't see GW making anything like Space Hulk, Warhammer Quest or Bloodbowl available to the general public.

This is oddly true.
When I started out in the 90's, there were little pamplets (green for WHFB, Blue for 40k) for every army and free promotional brochures for each game to try and get folks into the hobby. And this was at Hobbytown USA, before there were any GW's in the midwest. Seems odd that sort of thing doesn't exist anymore.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
At some point that game became Tyranid Attack. I loved that game.

I still think they should re-release Warhammer Quest. That'd work very well as a stand-alone product.

I agree with you on WHQ.. I would snag it in a heartbeat.

Not sure on Tyranid Attack. I have it and have been trying to sell it, and getting NADA interest...

 Kroothawk wrote:

Zwan1One wrote:
Descent looks pretty interesting. Have you played It? How does it compare to other dungeon crawlers? Is it a good replacement for Warhammer Quest?

It is different gamewise, as one player is the Dungeon Master trying to win against the team. Easier if the team is 2 player, okay if 3, hard if 4.
I played 1st edition, which has over 20 heroes and 80+ monsters in the starter. 2nd edition has considerably less and AFAIK somewhat simpler rules.
Game is still good as basic gaming material for RPG games, but 1st edition box may sell for a lot now.

2nd edition is quite a good bit better than the old edition. Also, if you have all those old edition stuffs and monsters, they have a conversion kit that gives you cards for all those figs, both monsters and heros that work in the new rules.

 Flashman wrote:
In GW's defence, all of their specialist games are available to the general public, just not in boxed format (except for Blood Bowl which you can still buy).
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While this is true how many people actually know that? It has also been over a decade since Epic was updated even though the miniature range is incomplete. There is also the issue of ridiculous pricing, any company that asks me to pay £1 for a 6mm metal miniature designed in the late 90's needs to take a good, long look at their pricing structure. Of course the resultant lack of sales does help to reinforce GW's view of specialist games.

There are a couple of things that could really make specalist games work, farming them to Forgeworld would be the obvious one, but GW would prefer to simply let good games die while concentrating on the core game treadmill.

 filbert wrote:
Space Crusade was also an MB game, I believe.

Eilif wrote:
2) Heroquest is not a GW game. It's a Milton Bradley game done with some input from GW. Aside from LoTR, it's been a long time since GW licensed a name/game/whatever from anyone.

CambriusX wrote:
As far as I can remember the Heroquest name belongs to Milton Bradley.

That's why when GW released another dungeon based game they called it Warhammer Quest.

So an Advanced Heroquest re-release would have to be under a different name, which seems unlikely.

 Kroothawk wrote:
1.) GW never released Heroquest, so can't rerelease Heroquest. MB released it and I doubt they lost all rights on that game. GW released Warhammer Quest, also a really fun game a bit similar to Heroquest.

Are some of you people wilfully difficult, in addition to deliberately not reading the thread?

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/699/heroquest - MB game, in collaberation with GW
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1758/advanced-heroquest - GW game, set in the Warhammer World.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1634/warhammer-quest - GW game, set in the Warhammer World.

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1568/space-crusade - MB, in collaberation with GW, using ome GW IP.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/8630/advanced-space-crusade - GW game, set in W40k
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2161/tyranid-attack - GW game, set in W40k. (Never played it, but believe it to be a simplified version of ASC)

There was also a computer game version of Heroquest and Space Crusade.

Is it really worth arguiing about the use of the word advanced?

As for what would work for a Big-box release...

Plus points would be:

1) Nostalgia - Blood Bowl, Warhammer Quest/Heroquest, Necromunda all get big points here. Not so sure about Space Crusade? I never liked it. Battlefleet Gothic gets some credit here, I expect, and Forgeworld seem to like it too, so, it seems to get a bit more support. Mordheim and Gorkamorka seem too modern to me to count for nostalgia, but I still remember when Space Hulk was the New Kid on The Block and when I started W40k was still known as Rogue Trader...
2) Tie-in models - Warhammer Quest has great potential for some wonderful hero models, plus some henchmen as sergeants in good armies, and lots for horde armies. Night goblins or Skaven, for example. Necromunda would be snapped up if the models can be used as cultists/guard, but doesn't really cater for Xenos players. GW has shown it does not care about xenos players anyway though! Blood Bowl models would be mainly just for Blood Bowl, but some clever folks might do good conversions. Space Crusade has massive tie-in potential, obviously.
3) Other tie-ins. The obvious advantage here goes to Blood Bowl, with the video-game tie in.

Overall, I actually think that something along the lines of Advanced Heroquest or Warhammer Quest has the most going for it. Probably Warhammer Quest, for branding reasons. Put in six cool heroes, four cool henchmen and some goblin fanatics, some spider riders, 20 night gobbo spearmen, gobbo shaman and gobbo warlord, and this WILL sell like hotcakes.

Personally, my favourite release would not even be one of these, it would be a non-limited re-release and full support for what I STILL think of as the third strand of GW, EPIC!!! It was always my favourite GW game. My best mate almost always beat me at W40k (foot-slogging Eldar versus marine gunline - wonder why...), I used to beat him at WFB more often that not (he never figured that I always overloaded one flank then simply rolled up along his army with my dangerously overpowered Chaos Knights), but Epic felt like a real contest.

What was the name of that GW game that came with two armies, and a battle-mat, and a plastic castle/turret thingy? I can never remember the name.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What was the name of that GW game that came with two armies, and a battle-mat, and a plastic castle/turret thingy? I can never remember the name.

Battlemasters, it was another MB/GW collaboration game. The cannon graced my Empire army for many years afterwards.

and the tower fit WHFB tables the world o'er...

 Fifty wrote:
Are some of you people wilfully difficult, in addition to deliberately not reading the thread?

Given that the difference between Heroquest and Advanced Heroquest has already been explained, one could possibly ask you the same question...

There are more polite ways to make the point, however.

At the time, these games fit in perfectly with MB's other old standards. I remember specificly going to Toys R Us as a youngster and literally seeing wall to wall big boxes of games, much the same size as todays "Starter boxes."

Along with these, there was a few different little game gems out there from MB that evolved into the "Standard" as far as gaming goes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Milton_Bradley_games
Shogun, Axis and Allies, Fortress America, etc.etc.etc....

Here's HeroQuest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeroQuest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley_Company

And yes, battlemasters was the original Warhammer fantasy boxed template.

They really had some great games out there..... I wonder what happened to them....

Oh yeah, I remember, now....

Hasbro.

There are a couple of games that might tempt me to break my own personal boycott of GW, but they would have to be damn excellent to get me to hand over any more money to them.

 insaniak wrote:

 Fifty wrote:
Are some of you people wilfully difficult, in addition to deliberately not reading the thread?

Given that the difference between Heroquest and Advanced Heroquest has already been explained, one could possibly ask you the same question...

There are more polite ways to make the point, however.

The fact that I posted additional information about each one, including a link, thus hopefully settling the issue, would make my contribution worthwhile, I'd imagine. Especially as some of the explanations weren't 100% accurate either.

And what I posted was considerably more polite than the typical responses you see from some of the mods here.

Before everyone gets carried away, looking at the previous big box releases one thing springs to mind. GW have produced these as one off, unsupported releases. Apart from the usual "buy me " advertising in WD, neither new Space Hulk or Dreadfleet got new scenarios or additional miniatures, in fact little love after the initial sales period.

So I think this rules out most of the wishful thing, for Bloodbowl, Epic40k, Battlefleet Gothic and probably Necromunda. Wahammer Quest is too close to Descent and other dungeon crawlers out there.

What is left in the back catalogue? Dark Future, would seem unlikely given the post-apoc style beloved of the 80's has passed its sell by date. Man o War, isn't that what DF was to be?

I can only think of a rehash of Codex Titanicus (limited to the Titans) with new designed Titans and interchangeable weapons. The catch rather than the old epic size make them half the size again and have 8-12 a side, Add some decent city blocks etc and possibly a quality playmat. Note that Battletechies out there will know something similar was done with Battleforce scale minis for the mechs and it was quite sucessful.

With Pacific Rim looking like the "to watch" summer blockbuster, big robot bashing may be back in vogue by the autumn.

 Fifty wrote:

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/699/heroquest - MB game, in collaberation with GW
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1758/advanced-heroquest - GW game, set in the Warhammer World.
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1634/warhammer-quest - GW game, set in the Warhammer World.

They're all set in the Warhammer world, including the first Heroquest, as the materials that come with the games have the warhammer map and name some places in Warhammer.

Don't expect anything with a card heavy content as they decided after space hulk to avoid doing anything with gaming tiles that had to be manufactured out of house as they thought that it cut too far into their margins. Hence the crappy scarf with dread fleet that cost about 3p each to make in a far eastern sweatshop. For me this would rule out quest and bloodbowl though gothic could be restarted with another crappy scarf for a space field. I wouldn't be surprised either if they just gave up on the idea.

I like the mat that comes with dread fleet... I wish more games came with something similar. I'm not sure why a cloth Blood Bowl field wouldn't work.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Don't expect anything with a card heavy content as they decided after space hulk to avoid doing anything with gaming tiles that had to be manufactured out of house as they thought that it cut too far into their margins. Hence the crappy scarf with dread fleet that cost about 3p each to make in a far eastern sweatshop. For me this would rule out quest and bloodbowl though gothic could be restarted with another crappy scarf for a space field. I wouldn't be surprised either if they just gave up on the idea.

The costs would come down if they had not been so timid and made more copies and made a mass release. Instead they severely restricted availability and cranked the price up. Space Hulk was appallingly badly handled as a release from what I recall. They didn't announce it at Gamesday, their own tradeshow, but kept it quiet and put out an announcement shortly after. They didn't advertise it outside their own magazine, they didn't make enough copies, in spite of their efforts to make as few people know about it as possible it still flew off the shelves and lots of people were left unable to get a copy and now they change hands on eBay for £150.

As a complete release, Space Hulk could be sold in all sorts of mainstream places GW doesn't normally make sales. I think GW have this idea that everyone can be made to buy one of their main three games and that they can be sold a huge army, and that other releases like Space Hulk just get in the way and lose them money. The boardgame market doesn't get in the way of their wargames, it's a different lucrative market.

Maybe that's their problem. The boardgames market is a lucrative one... for well designed games. My impression is that GW can't make good games any more, they just rehash their main three. Space Hulk was a safe re-release of a classic, Dreadfleet was so way off the mark for a new publication you really have to wonder if they've got the knack. Even now we're hoping for a re-release of Warhammer Quest or similar, there's no confidence that GW know how to make a good game.

That's why other parts of the franchise are best in the hands of people like FFG who know what they are doing. GW's most creative work probably comes from Forgeworld, who they treat like a bastard son. They make the product difficult to get even through their own shops and they've only just relented to allow them to do Horus Heresy stuff, previously deciding that no one should be allowed to touch that goldmine.

Costs would indeed come down if it became a mainline product, however GW does not want to have any game systems outside of their big three as they feel it's stops people buying into systems where the financial commitment to plays much higher. The trouble is this attitude has allowed other skirmish games to really blossom in that vacuum. Two of the biggest beneficiaries I can see have been infinity and malifaux. GW forgot that while some people would only play specialists games many other bought them as an addition to their regular gaming habits as a bit of a change up to stop their gaming experience becoming stale. I think part of GWs problems at the moment is that it's become a bit stale whilst asking for more money for the same experience, the aura around GW releases is definitely more one of jaded indifference than excitement.

Dreadfleet mat might have been cheap in production, but it is hands down the best mat for (not too large) naval games like Dystopian Wars, and I bought Dreadfleet just for the mat basically.

Space Hulk could have come with a mat for a map and worked very well.

privateer4hire wrote:
Space Hulk could have come with a mat for a map and worked very well.

I doubt that, a key feature of the game using tiles is that the map can have many different layouts. It's something which also makes Advanced Heroquest and Warhammer Quest more appealing than regular Heroquest.

Seems to me, as a relatively sensible person who isnt a GW accountant, that releasing some kind of specialist game with potential crossover into 'core' games would be the best thing to do.

Warhammer Quest would be the perfect sort of example there - heroes, monsters... these could easily be used in WHFB, or bring your WHFB stuff into Quest. Have a bunch of basic monsters in the box, but like with the Roleplaying supplement in the first game, include adventures and stat tables requiring monsters from WHFB - potentially increasing sales and interest in WHFB. A WHFB player would be more inclined to buy WHQ, and a WHQ buyer would be more inclined to start WHFB.
Isn't that how it happened last time?


Instead, I'm expecting something with pauldrons in it. Because Space Marines. Obviously.

Space Marines playing football. Thats what I expect. Kill that Dreadball game dead in its tracks because SPACE MARINES WITH A FOOTBALL.

Sigh.

Spaceballs , you reckon then....nah

I was thinking that the only sort of game GW has never done was a racing game and thought of that weird jet bike games that was in WD round about the time they did a revised list for Dark Eldar. Of course, since Gorkamorka there has been several iterations of Formula Ork.

So what about a 40k racing game, either based around orks and their "kustom jobs" or some form of higher tech Eldar doodad? I think an orky game would have the most appeal.

wilycoyote wrote:

So what about a 40k racing game, either based around orks and their "kustom jobs" or some form of higher tech Eldar doodad? I think an orky game would have the most appeal.

Doesn't seem grimdark enough D:

Give me BFG or give me death.

 Micky wrote:
Seems to me, as a relatively sensible person who isnt a GW accountant, that releasing some kind of specialist game with potential crossover into 'core' games would be the best thing to do.

Warhammer Quest would be the perfect sort of example there - heroes, monsters... these could easily be used in WHFB, or bring your WHFB stuff into Quest. Have a bunch of basic monsters in the box, but like with the Roleplaying supplement in the first game, include adventures and stat tables requiring monsters from WHFB - potentially increasing sales and interest in WHFB. A WHFB player would be more inclined to buy WHQ, and a WHQ buyer would be more inclined to start WHFB.
Isn't that how it happened last time?


Instead, I'm expecting something with pauldrons in it. Because Space Marines. Obviously.

Space Marines playing football. Thats what I expect. Kill that Dreadball game dead in its tracks because SPACE MARINES WITH A FOOTBALL.

Sigh.

WHFB is plumetting in popularity, while Spare Marines remain popular. What would be wrong with GW releasing something based around space marines? Better than some hippie fest where all the races of the universe get together and hold hands and sing in harmony.

I would love to see Bloodbowl. BFG or Necromunda, not too keen on Warhammer quest.
I cannot really see any happening though.

I would have thought Warhammer quest is a shoe in what with the Computer game version (iPad tie in?) already show cased.

I'd prefer WHQ to AHQ, but I suspect I'd be up for getting either.

Of course what I'd really love is a rerelease of Chainsaw Warrior, since I never got to play that originally.

So all this speculation is nice and I'd love to see some of the specialist games rebooted in this manner but since we didn't have a big box release last year I think it's safe to say Dreadfeet tanked so hard it killed any future releases of this kind.

That or they are waiting till the last boxes of Dreadfleet are off the shelves to release the next one

Or they released a box of one of their main systems instead.

Anyway, what would make sense to me is a release of Adeptus Titanicus, or similar, set during the Horus Heresy. Capitalise on the big publicity from Forge World.

Instead of this, you'd be better to just get a game off of EBey, or buy a copy of Decent.

I'm not even holding my breath on it, if there is a way for GW to jack it up, they will of course, find it.

Quest was a classic. If anything, you'll get finecrap minis, and a half hearted attempt, while tey prey on players with nastalga.

too bad, too. the game was pretty fun back in the day, and the figures in the box were a great selection for use with the RPG.

good times... good times..

I still don't understand why the didn't go ahead and call Dreadfleet "Man O' War" to capitalize on the nostalgia of gamers (like me) who started GW in the early '90s. That game was popular around my way, though it seemed like everybody wanted Dark Elf fleets for the Black Ark.

Because "Dreadfleet" is more appealing to "the kids" I guess.

I prefer Kyoto's take on the game - Scary Boat!!!

 Grot 6 wrote:
Quest was a classic. If anything, you'll get finecrap minis, and a half hearted attempt, while tey prey on players with nastalga.

If you're going to be a raving anti-GW loonie, at least try to be a realistic raving anti-GW loonie.

A big box release wouldn't have any FineCost, and a big box release would be stand-alone with everything you need in the box. No expansions or extras or anything like that.

Graphite wrote:
Or they released a box of one of their main systems instead.

Anyway, what would make sense to me is a release of Adeptus Titanicus, or similar, set during the Horus Heresy. Capitalise on the big publicity from Forge World.

I might even stump up the cash for that one!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because "Dreadfleet" is more appealing to "the kids" I guess.

I prefer Kyoto's take on the game - Scary Boat!!!

 Grot 6 wrote:
Quest was a classic. If anything, you'll get finecrap minis, and a half hearted attempt, while tey prey on players with nastalga.

If you're going to be a raving anti-GW loonie, at least try to be a realistic raving anti-GW loonie.

A big box release wouldn't have any FineCost, and a big box release would be stand-alone with everything you need in the box. No expansions or extras or anything like that.

Sure. Like Space Hulk.

Like I said, It was a classic. Had everything to start out with and ---- shudder---- the game had gear in there for multiple uses and other games. Fantasy RPG, Mordhiem, D and D, had some use with them with a starter set of Fantasy Battles, had and still have some of the figures as attached minions for an older army. ( back, you know- when you could add other stuff then just Vampires, Elves, or Chaos cenetric armies.The hero figures still have a place in the house with a new game I'm playing. Dungeon Delves. Kept me from forking up for generic "Heros".

Like I said, if the current GW gets a chance, they'll jack it up one way or another. ( Thanks for reading through the whole post, next time. )


And the fact that your calling me a loon makes me pee. Thanks for that. Recognition as well, I guess....

 Grot 6 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because "Dreadfleet" is more appealing to "the kids" I guess.

I prefer Kyoto's take on the game - Scary Boat!!!

 Grot 6 wrote:
Quest was a classic. If anything, you'll get finecrap minis, and a half hearted attempt, while tey prey on players with nastalga.

If you're going to be a raving anti-GW loonie, at least try to be a realistic raving anti-GW loonie.

A big box release wouldn't have any FineCost, and a big box release would be stand-alone with everything you need in the box. No expansions or extras or anything like that.

Sure. Like Space Hulk.

Like I said, It was a classic. Had everything to start out with and ---- shudder---- the game had gear in there for multiple uses and other games. Fantasy RPG, Mordhiem, D and D, had some use with them with a starter set of Fantasy Battles, had and still have some of the figures as attached minions for an older army. ( back, you know- when you could add other stuff then just Vampires, Elves, or Chaos cenetric armies.The hero figures still have a place in the house with a new game I'm playing. Dungeon Delves. Kept me from forking up for generic "Heros".

Like I said, if the current GW gets a chance, they'll jack it up one way or another. ( Thanks for reading through the whole post, next time. )


And the fact that your calling me a loon makes me pee. Thanks for that. Recognition as well, I guess....

What did he say that was incorrect?! Space Hulk WAS stand alone and had no finecast!

As the bloke said, say sensible things, even a noob like me knows that a BBR always uses plastic nowadays because they make so many models in a oner.

Also, slag the mechanics all you like, and slag FC by all means, but GW plastics have always been good, the plastic Terminators in Space Hulk were fething brilliant.

I read your post Grot and it was a bum call I'm afraid.

These box game releases have been crammed to the gunnels with good stuff. Space hulk was well worth the £60 without the cross game application of the minis.

Dreadfleet didn't have the cross system comparability but it was a big old box of stuff and well worth the cost just for the components. True the game itself was hit or miss but tyere was allot of good gear in there.

No cutting corners or finecast.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Sure. Like Space Hulk.

Like I said, It was a classic. Had everything to start out with and ---- shudder---- the game had gear in there for multiple uses and other games. Fantasy RPG, Mordhiem, D and D, had some use with them with a starter set of Fantasy Battles, had and still have some of the figures as attached minions for an older army. ( back, you know- when you could add other stuff then just Vampires, Elves, or Chaos cenetric armies.The hero figures still have a place in the house with a new game I'm playing. Dungeon Delves. Kept me from forking up for generic "Heros".

What?

Be coherent. That's an order.

Bloodbowl

I am so certain of this I would bet my left nut on it, so sorry for anyone who wanted AHQ/WHQ.

I hope it's not BFG, because they'd probably take down the PDFS from the website, and jack up the prices of ships. Which would annoy me, as I'm currently pricing up a 2000pt Tau fleet.

 chaplaingrabthar wrote:
I hope it's not BFG, because they'd probably take down the PDFS from the website, and jack up the prices of ships. Which would annoy me, as I'm currently pricing up a 2000pt Tau fleet.

I would LOVE a BFG re release, but not in a box like this, specialist games don't work in this format because like the main lines there should be tons of models and several factions at least to pick and choose from.
I was excited about dreadfleet when I first saw it, then saw that instead of being able to get a fleet of dark elf ships I was stuck with the random assortment of ships that came in the box.

Space Hulk was a gak release. Great Game, half arsed release.

The lack of information on its entirity, the insanity of the price, the gak support, the five minute or you lose out on it stand that GW pushed out... ( not that you even knew that they were coming out with it beforehand.)
Basicly anything you could think of- "Hey lets take our most famous gateway game and crap all over it because we're so cool now that we're putting out something people actually WANT!"
I'll throw it out there that the game is only good now for ebey fodder. You see alot of people getting into 40K because of thier gaming with the new Space Hulk? Not much anymore. If anything, people are pissed because they all KNOW that the game was ace and GW threw a good chance away to earn some good will... Not that they realize that they need one.

Whats the first thing people are asking about GW's games these days?

"How much can I get for this in resale?" Are they buying it to play? yes, they play it a few times, then Feebey it. They arn't using those games to get into even MORE, or using the stuff available to get more of this or that faction. All they are doing is using past glory of how they USED to be to sell "Special Edition" wannabe stuff.

Seriously? THAT is how you think GW is great? They suck. Suck moves =suck company.

At the end of the day, no one really stays with thier boxed games because they do everything they can to crap all over your experience with it, not open up doors for you. If anything, they open the experience door up a crack, let you peek inside, and say "Yes, get in on a look at how we USED to be a great company."

I didn't even get a chance to get one space hulk game at the time. MY "LGS" was too busy shilling this crap out at over a hundred a pop after the whole.... "Look at the new shiny" phase. Didn't even mention it a month or even a few weeks beforehand. THEN, they act like they knew it was coming out all along, and acted like EVERYONE else knew about it as well. ("Oh, we only got ten copies, want us to save you one?...."
My first go around with this POS, I walked into the shop, they had the games and figures stocked, and there was a guy in the back room PLAYING THE GAME. I walked in, got in on a starter demo, and was hooked. No BS, no gimmicks, no crap. (This was back in the old red and green cidital blister pack days for you youngsters.Red for 40K, Green for Fantasy)

Of course I have my own old second edition/ first edition stuff- BUT... Would it not have been nice to get some of that scenery stuff, maybe add it in with some of the "Space Hallways" that you see that people are doing ten times better then the original. ( Yet another Gakkity gak move by GW. NOW that the horse is out of the barn.) Who wants to do that at over a hundred a pop for a chew toy of a game?

Hell, I still love the game. Not only because of the game at the time ( 2d edition) giving you pretty much a good small army of grunts for a genestealer army, and a few squads of termies to be added to your box of 40K stuff, which in turn ALSO give you a set squad or two of termies to add to the troops, but for the fact that they were exactly linking up with the metal figures. Painted up they worked out perfectly. ( They went back and started with the fifty dollar termie squad after that, but hey... at least you could get a mystery every time you picked up a box. )

FWIW, I picked up armies of Space marines, Nids, some squads of Eldar out of one of the old troop boxes for a scenario we had going, for a few of those GW scenery sets with the cardstock stuff, and two more boxes of Space Hulk AFTER my first purchase of my first Space Hulk Game.(I went back and found the expansions, AFTER that.)

After the fact, I was almost ready to buy a few more boxes of Eldar, to start a small army after that... THEN came the season of hate. I was up and gladly buying. I liked it. It was fun. Had those eldar up to two squads and a farseer. ( BTW, if you want a real fun game? Play Space Hulk with a squad of Tacmarines... then add in a squad or eldar from the other side of the board. (BTW you get the two minute clock running...)
This was cool, because all you had to do was walk in the door, throw in a squad of whatever, have a set up of a 4X6 board, and jump right in. We had no less then three people walk into the store that I was playing at- (Altered States in Syracuse NY) and easily jump right in and started picking up Blister packs right off the wall at that point. The table was set, people were croweded around it, and you could just scrounge up a squad, or a figure, or whatever, and jump right in...

Degressing even more- THIS is what they need to be using the boxed sets for. Not just peeing on my shoe, saying "Oh, look how we used to be... buy the shiny because of it."

Point being here, fellow minions of hate- GW had a good product, now it is just a good memory.

Thats what I was talking about. I put in about finegak later, as an example of how they WILL jack it up. And they will, because they forgot how to have fun.

As to thier plastics, of course they are better, aside from the ridiculous price. Thats probibly why I'm just getting more and more pissed at GW's antics just like this. Lets take a second and ask- What would happen if... GW would have used plastic, instead of half arsed moved decisions made about trying to sell people on a turd? We wouldn't even have finecrap to derise. We would be talking one less P.O.S. move by a bunch of freaks who seem only to care about bottom feeding from the past.

What if they decided to throw in one of those plastic buildings into the base set? What if they threw in a based plastic tree, or a sprue of those ammo boxes, along with that building?
I had a gak load of fun with that card stock stuff, what would happen if they made that SPACE HULK tiles out of plastic?

And for what its worth- I'm the one saying that they HAD a good batch in the boxed games. Thats why there was once a need to buy two to three boxes of each. That stuff was awsome for other games as well. Nevermind the fact that stores actually had a full wall of thier gak to buy to also be used with it. Warhammer Quest was pretty cool. They even had extra stuff in the White Dwarf that you could go and add in your fantasy army gear in with. Not going to even get into the expansions, which in turn even gave you even MORE reasons to buy extra figures, and use in the game. Won't even get into how the figures from Quest are still good to add into Mordhiem... (Or how that tile stuff was good to add in for underside fights when you come across a cave enterance in Mordhiem... )

Dreadfleet? crap. Spacehulk? meh. Whatever they crap out next? I will more or less give them a look, call them crap and move on.

Because the more they halfass it, the more they fail and tick me off even more.

Now...

Ask me how I really feel.

I want all the people who've called me a mindless "hater" over the years to take it back right now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want all the people who've called me a mindless "hater" over the years to take it back right now.

And there we go. More snide remarks from the guy buttering his bread from writing 40k FF RPG stuff.

Seriously?

My issues are right there, If you'd like to go ahead and tell me how mindless that is, thats fine, but the issues will still be there. Game was fun, NOW the company is more interested in dick moves then gaming. Maybe I missed some of them, but there in a nutshell.

Other then that, I should post something sarcasticly witty, while at the same time try to degrade you.

Sorry, I just can't come up with anything like that. The issues I threw down on the table tick me off, about that much.

It sounds like most of your issues emminate from a crap FLGs and enay scalpers rather than any idea of the actual games.

Space hulk was/is a good game and must have exceeded all GWs expectations on sales or they wouldn't have bothered with dreadfleet.

I suspect they only did dreadfleet to spread out the classics. WHQ next I'll wager.

 notprop wrote:
It sounds like most of your issues emminate from a crap FLGs and enay scalpers rather than any idea of the actual games.

Space hulk was/is a good game and must have exceeded all GWs expectations on sales or they wouldn't have bothered with dreadfleet.

I suspect they only did dreadfleet to spread out the classics. WHQ next I'll wager.

The new SpaceHulk is an ok game and a good game with a few house rules, however it was crap releasing it as a ltd edition and then screwing up the allocation of stock. My local GW had stacks of copies piled up in the window while people in other areas had none also as a ltd edition there was bound to be a problem with resellers(Hopefully most of them got burned by Dreadfleet instant karma).
In regards to exceeding expectations that was not hard they made a small ltd run and sold them all which I guess was exactly what they planned.

I would not bet on the next game if there is one being WHQ it will most likely be Blood Bowl partly because it's a no brainer for them since it's easy to box up and also out of spite due to Mantic releasing a new sports game.

If the regular Blood Bowl league going strong for 5 years straight at my local GW Bunker is anything to go by, its probably a safe bet. We all know they only sell stuff they expect to be super popular, right?

 notprop wrote:

Space hulk was/is a good game and must have exceeded all GWs expectations on sales or they wouldn't have bothered with dreadfleet.

I suspect they only did dreadfleet to spread out the classics. WHQ next I'll wager.

Dreadfleet must have been very much advanced (most, if not all the minis done) before Space Hulk was released.

 Micky wrote:
We all know they only sell stuff they expect to be super popular, right?

Doesn't explain Dreadfleet though.

People make mistakes?