Yeah Cam, waiting sucks . Cool I just got some baby talc for alternative snow and found it wanting. I have several methods I'd like to try on the cars, I want to ruin some and leave others viable for modern games.

Gonna try some spray paint dust/grime and of course some rust too. May even ice a couple over for the board.

Got the sand down for the pond and the bord is now white. Nasty brush strokes, but you'll never see them once the glue is down. More waiting.

Think I may largely leave the sand texture alone color-wise but I will try to shade it to imply depth towards the middle.

Super quick weathering on a toy truck going for dust and grime so its applicable in the post Apoc wastes or in modern times. Thoughts? Look ok or like I didn't know what I was doing with my spray cans? Possibly too heavy of the effect?

I like the different colored door panel, I'm sure there's a police emblem under there, but if not it looks like a beat up truck with a different colored door after an accident .

Maybe add extra mud or rust effects behind the wheel wells where stuff would be flung.

Yeah it's a police truck. Maybe some extra weathering later.

Hmmm. May end up scraping the pond. The cost store two part resin I have was yellow and too thick anyway. The polyurethane I put down too thick and it would take so many more coats to get the water to where I want it. Should have waited to try water till I was ready to spend money on it lol. Now I'm out at least 4 hours of dry time before I can move the board for any further steps. Oi. And really all that is is snow.

The truck looks a little over done to me. There's two things I would do at this point. 1) the windshield needs a clean patch. In its current state, the truck just looks dirty, like someone's been driving through a lot of mud. But, they need to be able to see while driving. 2) add physical damage or some texturing. Mud and grime build-up would add a lot to the look and help it look a bit more aged. Physical damage to the truck though would really give it that aged look. Dents, scratches, maybe a few bullet holes would really spice it up.

Yeah it needs something, for sure. Didn't expect it to be done with 2 minutes of spray paint, though I wasn't as sure as to what to do next. So thanks for the input, I'll have to see what I can do.

Think it definatly needs some crud/mud around the arches and some damage, nothing to drastic but some dents and scratches certainly.

I'll have to mix up some mud and give it a try.


Ok folks HALP. The two part resin I had was tinted yellow, blech. I tried a coat of polyurethane and i mean it's glossy sure, but it would take weeks of applications and that's only if it didn't cloud up. I'm not flush to buy any of that nice clear two part stuff as was linked before so what are my options?

I mean without throwing more cash at the board I probbaly have to scrap the pond and do something else right? What could I do with the crater I made for the pond? A nasty mud pit that's exposed for...reasons? A recently exploded/dug pit?

Should I leave it empty till I'm willing to spend the money for a proper water effect? I guess the smaller containers of woodland scenics water aren't sooo bad if you use the hobby lobby coupon.

What say you?

I don't pretend to be a terrain guru, but when I made my river, I applied several layers of clear gloss varnish over the blue and it seems to work well.

That's the technique I think I wanted to do but I built my pond for a deeper pour style substance. Whoops.

Well, then, I'm out of my league.

Well you could multipurpose the hole. Cut a few base pieces to cover the spot with and then make one be a snow drift. Have another be a campfire area, another could be a crash site (UFO or plane), a dimensional portal, all sorts of cool things to use to help make the board different for different games.

Paint the hole in the colours desired. Buy woodland scenics/masterclass whatever it is called (dang SWM taking the same thing and renaming it,) water and pour it on top mm layers at a time. You can even mix a wash on the layers to add depth.

For more variance - get vallejo water gel and apply on top of the above steps for waves and texture of the water.

Cover in gloss coat.

Cheap and easy way would be a sheet of clear acetate, clear perspex, or even a "laminated" laminate pouch. Cut to size and glue in, then a coat or two of thin varnish and you are away.

DrH just did a brilliant tutorial on exactly this here...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1410/549077.page

It is a bit of a cheat, but would work well, and if nothing else you could later rip it out, and use the good stuff once you have the cash.

I have also had reasonable success with clear hot glue, and clear silicone, but only good if you have them already.

The guru on water for me is Red Harvest, his water effect pieces are stunning, also obviously the internet, watched a few vids on it lately, this guy has had reasonable success...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tH3rnXESJ8

He gives some good tips,some of it is basic stuff, we all know, but it's nice and simple advise really.

Hope these help.

Well, if you have a flat surface, and scuff it so it is textured like water, then paint it, then paint a few coats of gloss polyurethane over it, you get a nice effect. It is laborious. Ah, here is an example. Spoilered
Also, thin clear plastic works if you hide the edges of it, and don't mind it being perfectly flat. I don't think adding ripples or waves with hot glue would be a wise idea. Silicone caulk would adhere to the plastic, but it would be cloudy if too thick. The advantage of the plastic is that it would leave a void where you could put interesting things. I've seen a koi pond made this way. Cannot remember where I saw it though. I've also seen a koi pond made with the pourable 2 part epoxy too. A tutorial for that is here. http://data-sphere.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=34 for your reading pleasure.

Wow thanks a ton everyone

Red I like those flat water ponds and will have to try it, though this piece is far too irregular to work with it. Those fountains are sweet.

The pair of suggestions for the clear plastic sheet and the fact that I may have a piece *just* big enough make me think that's a potential I shouldn't ignore. I don't mind flat because water does that anyway. Of course now I need to find a couple of interesting things to sink at the bottom of the pond

I also like the idea of a modular piece or three to swap out into the dip, and since the plastic piece is gonna be nice and flat, I should still be able to.

Alright I have a piece of plastic in place with glue drying. Then will come the gap filling and me muddling along to replicate Dr H's wash barrel tutorial. So that's happening. I think it should go well and i can always cover more of the pond with snow if necessary.

What I need your help with now is the final placement of the trees before I permanently affix them and coat the board in snow mix.

So be critical. Spread them out, clump them up, add some small shrubs and frost them over a bit, all good to hear. Does it need even more trees, cause I can get some. What are your thoughts folks?




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Displayed in both fantasy/modern and sci-fi Flavors. Oh also, ehat would you use to glue thr trees down? Plastic tree bases to white acrylic paint over the top of extruded foam. I'd say hotglue but I fear it may burninate the foam. Dunno how I feel about white glue though. Thoughts there?

Hot glue would be fine providing you put the glue on the tree base first, let it cool a little before placement, and would probably release a bit better if you wanted to rearrange things later.

I like the scattered look, no idea how well it would work in game, would depend on the game, for KoW it may be difficult with the movement trays. But skirmish battles will be fine.

Pond is looking great already, little blending in around the edge to hide the join and your golden.

I shored the pond up with hot glue and tried one tree last night, worked fine. I think I'll move forward with gluing them soon.

Trying to decide if the pond could do with a really weak blue or green glaze. I'm a little fearful of trying Dr H's method as I don't have another piece of plastic that size...but we'll see.

While I've got the snow mix going, I'll have to make some game specific scatter bits.

I like the pond as is. The snow is clean and pure looking, so clean and pure looking ice doesn't look out of place.

Cool. Right now it's just a base coat of white before the snow goes down . I've put together a trial spot of that. Im hoping it's fairly self leveling as brush strokes in my snow will make a sad Grimdork.


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So it's kinda self leveling... what would you folks suggest I do to Avoid leaving brush strokes as I slop the snow mix down on the board? Is there a technique or tool I can use to help minimise this? Strokes sort of melt down a bit, but not a the way, so if there's a trick to leave minimal tracks it may be just enough.

Checked my test patch today and the snow mix leveled out even more. If I'm a little more careful about brush strokes on the next applications, I should have nothing to worry about. Woo. Nkw i just have to do D form to do the whole board.

Could try a spatula instead of a brush. But looks brilliant as is. Could use the brush stroke to your advantage, indicating wind feathering the surface, or trackways maybe.

Yeah, it really leveled out a lot better than I expected as I was checking it dry. I think I'm going to use a bigger, softer brush for further applications. And I may let it lump up to either side of the stroke to give some extra texture, I'll experiment with it, I'll be doing this in multiple small applications due to time constraints.

Better brush was enough. Snow is now over the entire board so we may be able to call it done. We'll see how everything turns out, it was kind of a frenzied rush while the baby was sleeping so it may be good may be less so. Time will tell. Give it 24 hours though and it may well be playable! Need to devise some scatter for various games next. And a hanger on the wall so I can keep it safe.

Needs an igloo and snowman for terrain. Snowman with optional machine gun .

Haha, it's not...impossible?

Sweet the snow is 90% done. I'm digging it. A few spots need a retouch because I brushed the snow too thin and the glossy board is showing, but it's good enough to be soft-done. I wanna do some matching scatter terrain so ill do the snow fixes when I do that.

Included a shot of the board's tentative home.

Not sure what to do now...got the whole day, 8 hours to myself and there isn't much that needs doing.

Looking fantastic, Really nice, Nice that you have not been tempted to throw some dirt about, it looks amazing as it is and can totally see that being somewhere in the arctic circle.

Cheers I put dirt on everything else, I figured this could be the pristine state before a battle, or after a fresh snow. Need to get off my butt and work out some scatter or something though, wasting time today.

Five pieces of snowy scatter. I figured I could snow up some pieces that were going otherwise unused. Most work for both sci-fi and post apoc, most probbaly for modern too really.

What are you using for the snow? That's not GW's new snow effect, is it?

Very nice. I can envision a lot of gaming happening on that board.

The snow is ostensibly a 1:1:1 mix of Elmer's glue, baking soda (not powder, the 100% bicarb of soda stuff), and titanium white acrylic paint from hobby lobby.

In theory. In practice it's probably more like 40/40/20 with less paint than the other two. Or possibly even a little heavier on the glue, I think the mix levels itself better if the consistency is close to that of the Elmer's glue.

It's easy, doesn't look bad, dries nice and powdery.

@Josh, I'll take even a little gaming

Alright, got it finished. Will make some more scatter eventually, but here's what it looks like in both post-apoc and fantasy modes:














































Think maybe we've seen this one already?


This one too? But it just looks so cute and snug up there


And there you have it! Gotta find someone to play a game on it sometime.

You could make a few fallen tree scatter pieces, wood piles for the wood burning stove for cover too .

It all looks excellent, especially the cozy onthe shelf pic.

The acetate pond turned out beautifully.

Thanks guys

Firewood stacks...sweet. consider me on it. Fallen trees too. I may pick up one or two single trees if I can find some when they hit deeper clearance. Slap some extra snow on top of them.

I'm also gonna look up something to do with snow drifts on an ice patch someone suggested in the Facebook group. Tie it in a little better. Got some time tomorrow, watch this space, if I'm not totally useless I may be back at doing terrain.

Great work, looks perfect. Excellent idea from Theo, look forward to seeing what you come up with. This is a stunning board, pond finished up perfect. Snow effect is spot on. Wish I lived around the corner so I could come over for a game.

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Thanks guys

Firewood stacks...sweet. consider me on it. Fallen trees too. I may pick up one or two single trees if I can find some when they hit deeper clearance. Slap some extra snow on top of them.

I'm also gonna look up something to do with snow drifts on an ice patch someone suggested in the Facebook group. Tie it in a little better. Got some time tomorrow, watch this space, if I'm not totally useless I may be back at doing terrain.

just go outside and grab some small twigs, glue them to a base, possibly poly them and then as snow. Any gloss from the poly might be seen as ice.

Good recovery on the pond/lake, snow is still nice and white, all good so far Grim!

Maybe Theo, though I dislike using to much organic stuff as it likes to decay. That said I use wood to build stuff all the time so it isn't really much different. Poly for sure though.

@Shas thanks

Excellent work on the snow board, it's looking really brilliant.

EDC

Cheers! As they say.

That board is so cool. Your pond looks great.

Looking forward to seeing what you do next.

The snow effect is superb. If one used a different color paint, it might look like an interesting desert/sand effect. I hate using real sand.

I saw something like those trees at the local Walmart. The 9" versions were $2 each, the 6" versions were $1 each and the 3" versions were 74¢ each. I may go back and get some, or wait to see what ends up on clearance. They fit perfectly on that board.

Davetron thanks

Yeah aot of places have the trees, I intend on getting at least a couple more for fallen scatter trees. Hopefully the wide availability means I can get as on clearance that someone else missed.

As for sand... texture sure. Colors? Ehh the mix is 20-30% white paint, plus white baking soda. I think if you mixed in brown sandy paint instead and painted over that same color it would work. I may try it. But what time for the sand? Martian rust red? Slightly more like sandstone? More typical desert sand?

Something canyon-like would scratch an inch I've had for a long time. Maybe another 3x3 with similar overall height but instead of trees it's the ground level that tall? Hmmm. But red, tan, light tan, more wastelandy, or even purple like netherstorm in WoW?

Some kind of canyon at least 6 inches wide crossing most or of the board. Could do a wood bridge, fancy sci-fi bridge, and rundown modern bridge and use the board for everything again

Hmmmmm I have the foam. I don't have a lot else to do this winter... I do have my factory board to consider though.

Still considering that other board but... What think you of a roof for my factory? Ofc it would it work as it is in one configuration. 4 separate roofs? How would I support them in the middle though? Hmm

Damn Grim - you're a machine lately!

That completed snow board looks amazing, and the factory setup looks great as well.

The factory is in 4 separate parts correct? If so then you'll need a center post either in each of the four quadrants or a part of a center post in each quadrant that all go back to back when you have all four together making one larger post.

Thanks Az The factory board just got brought down from storage, it's nothing new, although I did put the sidewalks on and start doing the ground texture on one of the pieces.

Theo... that's my thought as well however... I don't like that aesthetically, lots of buildings have roofs without supports like that. I'm thinking of taking 20-40% out of each top piece, especially out of the center, so there's a big gap in the middle where the roof fell all the way through and the edges are still all intact. Kind of like what I did with the battle zones bits but more area. It would be easier to support so it's strong enough to hold models up, and look more broken down. The other thing to keep in mind is that any roof bits that cover more than what the battle zones roofs are currently covering would have to be removable for playability. So I dunno...in some ways I may as well leave it alone

We'll see how it goes.

Had to clear off the table to wrap presents and subsequently build Legos lol, so the factory board is on hold again.

Managed , finally, to get my BMG Suicide Squad starter buildings put together. I like them. I'd count them as a step behind battle systems, especially because of dat gloss... But next best thing. Photos below. Happy holidays.

Those look fine, gloss notwithstanding. I like the height to them.

The mat ties everything together too.

Those buildings are pretty nice, but they'd look better if they weren't so obviously slot-and-tab construction. You're right, Battlesystems did it better.

Yeah I like them well enough. I'd probbaly cough up for another set of they sell them and they're not prohibitively expensive.

I think the BS stuff is better but I can pick up and move the entire BMG stuff in one hand which is nice.

I like the change in tone though, and i have at least a partial mat to fill in so a little extra doesn't hurt.

I wanna try the game but it looks infinity level complex.

Great terrain setups! For some reason I haven't checked in here in ages so I'll have to have a look through the last few pages and see what else you've cooked up!

Batman is a fairly complex game to pick up, but once you're playing a lot of it is fairly straightforward (unlike Infinity, which I found counter-intuitive a lot of the time) and while there are a ton of special rules and such, the vast majority are tied to specific characters and won't come up unless you're using them. The basic mechanics aren't actually that fiddly or involved, it's only the odd interaction that really gets complicated. Since you have the SS set, try out some smaller games or even 1v1 matches between similarly costed models and you should get on all right.

This is a good 'quick reference' resource, any rule you need to look up can be found in the relevant section here, no need to flick through rulebooks:
http://www.critskillpeople.com/bmgwiki/

Love the snow board mate.

The BMG buildings look pretty nice. They work toghether well to give a nice feel of a modern, slightly run down urban cityscape/streetscape.

Whew there went last year. Thanks for popping by all year everyone, stick around. I'm gonna be slow for sure, but I should still put something up every once in a while.

I need to get back at your blog Para too, my main rig has been down and I haven't been as active hereabouts.

Buildings are looking nice for making fun zones

Those BMG buildings actually look pretty good. There's something appealing about their simplified construction. Who sells them? I don't recall ever seeing them before.

Barzam, they came in the knight models batman GSM suicide squad starter box. As yet, I don't believe they are for sale on their own. I suspect that will change eventually as the game seems to like terrain and they already did the process to be able to make them so why not? I wouldn't mind a couple more to spice in on my table.

Hey guys, been a bit busy so not so much hobby. Well. Some hobby, but the not-miniatures part of D&D, planning adventures and even playing a couple of times.

Then the last couple of days I've been doing my tests to get my license to kill renewed. Sure it's just bugs and plants, but it's something

Working on my battle system city, bit by bit.

Also... How did you guys let this happen? Why did no one stop me?

I'm actually kind of embarrassed here...

Since I scratch several of my itches vicariously through several of you Dakkites, I can only say thank you for your sacrifice. Now get them little buggers painted. Stretch goal for this year.

That is an enviable number of Infinity models there, Grim. Good luck with the painting.

Fortunately many of them were obtained at half price, or purchased with bonus points on Amazon or the like. So there's that. I look forward to doing all of them...Whenever I can get around to it.

So many infinity models to make!

Yep, so much Infinity...

Soo yeah here again. Made a wee round dice tower because most all of them are square. Stiff cardboard tube I got from Theo, box from my airbrush, printed paper, felt, stick glue and hot glue.

Also included is a MtG:innistraad box I got for like 8 bucks. The minis are a solid hard-ish plastic, five are prepaints. All are roughly the right size 28mm that is and there are some interesting sculpts.

Nothing new, but saw these two in my hobby space without bases so I tried the clear acrylics on them.

Just testing something, attaching a photo of Compy, my pet mimic.

Those marines are very nice-- crisp and clean, like marines should be. I didn't know you collected marines, although now that I think about it, everyone has at least a few, don't we.

I started miniatures with marines actually. The very first minis I can remember are some skeletons and a marine or two from a learn to paint kit. Followed somewhat closely by the 3rd edition starter with the ruins, 20 deldar, 10 marines, and land speeder. What a bad matchup

I tried to focus on the dark eldar, and then tyranids, sold most of the marines...got out of the hobby casually for awhile...then bought thousands of points of marines on eBay. Buying them was practically a hobby in itself. And then I settled on a scheme *finally*, and got maybe 20-30 dudes painted with one or two vehicles and just kinda stopped. I've since sold a decent chunk of what I had, torn up some of it for scenery and conversions, and the rest still sits in the boxes set aside for it. Along with nearly 2000 points of (likely now mangled) tyranids, maybe a half dozen raiders and a bunch of bad condition dark eldar plastics and metals.

And of course all of the WHFB stuff and the minis I've bought since the blog.

Anyhoo.

I was trying to see if the forums would update my location flag as we're actually in Canada for a bit, just a fun trip. There are some neat gamestores within easy walking distance of us but nothing there I needed to buy. May do some pictures at some point. Tomorrow we may well be going to a castle!

Love the pet Mimic. I think that the location flags are based on info filled in when signing up rather than the IP address of the computer. But this is all speculation and I would be happy to be told I am wrong.

Chompy is my 'DM Chest', all of the stuff I need to run a game of D&D fits into it (barely, in some cases). Also can serve as a partial screen to hide my notebooks in/behind, though I've switched to rolling 90% of dice out front, if someone gets crit to death so be it lol.

Holy crap guys. I just narrowly avoided buying the tohaa starter pack on miniature market. 60 bucks today. For 18 infinity minis
.. Just over $3 a pop is insanity. I got the same feeling I get going through the grocery store passing soda on sale, literal addiction cravings.

Do they have Miniatures anonymous? I had to talk myself out of it hard lol, I think digging out my infinity shame drawers helped.

It's still cooking in the back of my mind, those little symbiobeasts are adorable. They have it for $70 on game nerdz all the time so that also helped talk me down.

Lot of battle systems and TNT stuff to show off just need to sort the photos.

So tempting at times I know, I am not sure I could have held out, though at the moment I have no hobby budget. Looking forward to seeing some pics later.

Yeah I'm zerored out too, that little trip we took set me back more than I intended and all I did was get some tickets, bus faire, and food lol.

Birthday is imminent, I'm sure I could flex the funds but they'd just go into the pile lol. And I'd be better off replacing my work clothes for the upcoming season, landscaping is murder on clothes.

If it's still there by the by the end of the day though...

More I could post but I need to actually upload and make a proper post sometime. All of these attachments have left my gallery in shambles.

Back up for Leena's Lambs

Not entirely sure what those figures are, but they look like a pretty nice group. Are they a crew from/for that Not-Fallout game?

Yeah, using them as raiders for this is not a test. Most of them are from dreadball xtreme, two are batman game twoface thugs.

Pre-primer finished build of my peacekeepers warband.

I knew I should have recognized those Raiders, but I just couldn't place them. Your Peacekeepers look like they ought to be a pretty good force. Won't that warband run a bit on the expensive side though? I like your conversion on that Sekban, too.

In money or points? I already own what I'll need so that's covered. And if you mean in points, I can fit all 9 of those into the starter size list, as opposed to six raiders, 8 caravaners, 9 tribals, or 5 preservers/big mutants. Most of them only have minimal armor, mesh or riot. No loading down on combat armor. The boss may have power armor, but his weapons are very basic. Plus the dogs, WGF survivors, and convict are all right around 18-21 points.


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It was a pain to get the shield to sit right, but I really like him too. Especially how he fits with the dogs.

Hey folks. Still alive. Been a couple of months sheesh. Just haven't really been getting much done. Played a few Pulp Alley games chipping away at our campaign. I've been tinkering a bit with D&D stuff, playing older video games, and mostly hanging out with the kids. My oldest finally talked me into getting her some Pokemon cards and I didn't realize how much I still like popping open boosters in hopes of something cool. Gotta keep it about the kiddo though We've played a bit, she seems to like it but really *getting it* will take some time. Anyway along with being worn out after working in the sun all day, these things have slowed my production down.

Plus it's really hard to get any quality keyboard time... my toddler is not conducive to such activity I've been leaning on my facebook groups more since they're a lot easier to get to from the phone, well pictures wise. I was getting tired of just slapping uploads onto the end of a post, will try to get around to dumping them in the gallery first so I can at least post reasonable posts.

Ahem, Have done a bit though.


Buck and company fighting off mummy/zombies in the perilous oasis in the egyptian desert (I think?, I'm kinda lost as to where we're actually setting our perilous island campaign!). I've got three of four lost pages required to push the campaign to it's climax but it's still anyone's game.


I've been reading the Horus Heresy books from the recent humble bundle and it has me looking over my old marines. Well actually it has me looking up betrayal at calth box sets... but I'm not willing to buy one unless I have a piece-for-piece match of painted marines already. So probably never, but who knows Not sure why I kept such a bad photo though!



Current and possibly favorite pick for my eventual campaign warband for TNT. Preservers mostly from various deadzone/warpath minis. The hazmat suit excavators are obviously deadzone zombies with some modifications, then the rebs commander, the recon enforcer, and a robot from the dbx team. The team has (and will expand to have more) a lot of aerosol guns which are basically flame throwers but since they're gas attacks, the power armor and hazmat suits make them much less likely to hurt my own guys...so basically swarm the enemy with grunts and spray poison on the lot of them while the boss and her XO shoot anything that survives to pieces muahahahaah.


A little communications bunker/whatever for TNT or scifi games. Added bonus of a matching yet separate little piece with a couple of dead soldiers, just to make things look more dangerous or sinister

Anyway. Not much to much, just wanted to pop in and express my existence and apologize for being away. I'll try to pop by everyone's pages as I get the chance in the next few days.

I'm going to need some better pics of the hazmat excavators, sir.

I was wondering where you had gotten off to. It's good to hear that you are getting some games in, at least.

A little bit here and there Josh.

Barzam I can manage some WIP photos but they're currently really in progress paint wise . I may pester you guys as to what color to leave the helmets, right now I'm considering stock bearing color.

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A little bit here and there Josh.

Barzam I can manage some WIP photos but they're currently really in progress paint wise . I may pester you guys as to what color to leave the helmets, right now I'm considering stock bearing color.

This may be the most brilliant kitbash I've seen this year. I have no desire to paint 80 more DZ zombies, but I could definitely see doing some of these.

Glad to see you back, I'm in the same boat with no time whatsoever. Hope we both get some quality painting/modeling time soon.

I saw a box of Betrayal at Calth today for $99.00. If I wasn't strapped for cash and the next zombicide happening in may I'd be all over it.

Haha thanks Josh . I've fallen in love with the downtrodden little gits myself, they got so much more love than the other three non grunts I felt s little bad for those.

Holy crap it's a Theo! You were scarce even back before I trailed off, good to see you kicking Round . I'm staying away from Kickstarter as much as I can. Got bones coming in sooner or later and I dunno how I feel about 4 but I'm sure they'll have one.

I've done ok this year so far, probably went overboard buying Pokemon cards for the kiddo but still no more than a free shipping sized MM order or so. Been avoiding their DotD entirely lol.

Calth will only ever come if I can get the same thing done first from minis I own and that leaves me at least 20 marines, 2 characters, 3 more terminators or so... So unlikely lol...But I am digging out my marines *again*. Those HH books are fiendishly inspiring.

Oh I am considering a 4x4-6' neoprene mat for a Wasteland table instead of the modular foot square floor tiles. But mostly I've finally reached the "more models than I can use and I'm actually aware of it" stage.

Those Hazmat zombies are a great idea, Grimdork! Are the yellow spots sculpting putty? You're giving me ideas, here.

Barzam, the yellow strips are Tamiya masking tape. I lay out a piece on my desk and cut narrow strips of it for straps, wraps, and tape stuff.

So yeah totally got it in me to drag out all of my space marines to see what I still have. There's a fair bit left actually. To the point that even if I ended up painting enough to allow myself to get a Calth box... I'd just as well make those the start of a chaos/traitors force because I just don't need more marines. Maybe a few bits here or there to finish stuff out, but not ~40 more models.

So here's what I've got painted:



So here you see a full tactical squad complete with rhino plus little bits of character like junior apothecary and tech marine along with a standard. All magnets because I dunno I just magnetize space marine arms. Six scouts, really a squad of five with one just kinda hanging out. Guess I got ambitious at some point Basically bolter+heavy bolter scouts. Relatively standard issue dreadnought with multimelta and flamer in the DCCW. Randomly decided to paint the fancier dreadnought in an alternate scheme but his icons all match the army, remember venerable Bitsboxius? I've also got 3 stray terminators --one is pretty sad and likely needs a new army fashioned and painted-- and a veteran/sternguard. Though I'm reconsidering my black robes over dark grey armor scheme. White may actually be the ticket but it would be a bear to redo the ten I've already primed black unless I just spray them white and hope they don't lose too much definition.

Anyway, here's the gang in a bit more organized of a deployment, so its more obvious what I'm working with:


Ahh, much more decipherable!

So yeah anyway the first hurdle (actually kind of a big one) is that they *really* should go onto clear acrylic bases if I'm gonna move forward with them. Space marines are kind of designed to go on the familiar shape of GW bases, they kind of round out the models and keep them a touch taller. Their wide stances and natural shortness (for dudes who are supposed to be 7-8 feet tall) will take some adjustment getting used to seeing them on minimal clear acrylic rounds. I could technically wait till I got a next unit painted to actually do any new basing, and may well take that route. So the thing I really must determine (if I'm actually gonna paint some space marines, that is) is what next?

That's where you guys come in


I give you the (ominous noun) knights/angels in all their glory! Y'know, oblivion angels or knights, shadow knights, void angels, dark knights (bwahaha)... or switch it around angels ascendant, knight angels (too much? ), knights of oblivon, angels of shadow..etc. Sadly, I'll bet you half of those are already taken by successor chapters

If you can't see from the picture there are 3 speeders, 1 land speeder storm, 5 rhino chassis (one is set up to be a vindicator due to lack of bits), 14 bikes (I think I have enough DA wing handle guard things to cover the normal bikes), 10 marines in and out of robes for a tactical squad, 10 DA sprue robed marines primed and started converting for combi bolters, 10 DA sprue robed marines just on bases (in a bag), likely 10 more non-robed marines for a third tactical squad but they're quite scattered and dismantled throughout the bits boxen, 5 LSS scouts who can magnet mount on their craft, probably 5 misc scouts of the old metal variety, 2-3 DV librarians, AoBR converted captain, converted chapter master with twin super powefists, 5 terminator legs honor guard, ~15 assorted terminators (the shooty kind, the storm shield kind lost their legs...guess I could buy some on eBay...). Probably some other stuff that's escaping me. Oh yeah, got 4x heavy bolters, so a squad of HB devastators is possible.

I think I've got some scouts that aren't in the photo, and the land speeder storm crew is in a bits box (shown, but not noticeable). If I want to work towards the goal of ordering calth (whether I do or not) I should focus on 20 more infantry (slaving myself to just troops is too boring), two characters, or 2-3 more terminators to finish out that squad in progress. Of course, I'll be happy to get any of my backlog painted and may be flexible on the Calth thing with just a number of models finished to unlock it.

What out of that pile would you guys like to see? I've got some stuff that's pretty close to ready like the second tactical squad, terminators to finish the first squad of those, a Librarian who's nearly there, and maybe one of the tanks. Oh and the drop pods, two of those are close but it's tedious edge highlighting for days. Can't forget Fistivius Fistigar and his honor guard either. My awesome highly artiulated terminators gave up their legs so that squad could exist so they have to get done eventually.

Thoughts? I'm gonna have to get the airbrush up and running, painting the color of grey I use over black is just too painful without it.


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Oh, to make the chaos/traitor force sound enticing, they'd be the darker half of my Shadow Knights (if the name sticks), what remains of the marines after they give into their borderline technophillic tendencies. Lots of tubes, wires, bits from the sedition wars monsters and maybe some zombie parts. Leave a lot of the legion guys mostly clean but compromise a few for possessed/whatever squads and maybe sacrifice a few dark angel terminators for obliterators/melee equivalent and so on. Maybe tech up some zombies to go with the necromorphs (isn't that what the sedition wars guys are called?). I dunno, stuff like that. Kinda like if the Iron Warriors and Death Guard had a baby legion or something.

Probably have a good start for Carcharodons chapter there with all the grey .

I thought the space sharkodons were light grey? I'm actually considering alternative schemes and keeping the original core of shadow knights an ally or something.

Hmm what about blue but in a not ultramarines kind of way?

Like this guy?


The techniques involved are agreeable and I kinda like the look (ignore the camo tabbard).

So if I replicated that shade of blue on space marines... white or black for the off color?



OR



Subject to tweaks, of course. But thoughts? Black or white as the primary off color? And what about the large scatter of dark angels icons and stuff, the wings on those should be white and the robes probably. But uhh hmm black or white, and what about robes and wings... black off color and then white wings and robes? Something else? Primed a figure to do a test on soonish.

WB Grim! I Really like that torquoise/teal kind of colour. Very reminiscent of the Sons of Horus, though they tend to be just over the border into green from your Infinity guy there who is just blue-side.

As for the accent colour - why not both? You can use it to distinguish between regulars and veterans/terminators or something. It's a very SM thing to do, and has tons of precedent.

Hmm interesting. I guess that makes sense, vary it by squad and I can pick them out easier.

The sons of Horus huh. Yeah I'd probably have to do a 50/50 green blue glaze instead of straight blue.

Good stuff.

Nice little pile bud, and agree with Az mix it up a little, I like the blue BTW,

Good to see you posting again. I was just wondering what Grim was up to.

You could just bequeath all the marines to me and they wouldn't then be a problem for you. Promise to give them a good home ;-)

On a serious note I like the white accents (shoulder pads etc.) compared to the black ones.

That mottled blue color really makes me think of water, and reminded me of a aquatic marine chapter Sons of Poseidon. Only ever saw the test color scheme for them but they were underwater specialists, and had a trident for a chapter symbol. Ultramarine heritage I believe, but would be different and allow for conversions. Just a crazy thought.

If you went for the dark angel symbols though let me know, I've collected over a thousand of those pads.......seriously . I was going to do my own full chapter . And for color just do the typical color change of the emblem means different company.

Hmm good input guys.

Archer- is that how you get all of your armies for your project? Provide and easy way out to indecisive marks like me?

Theo- sounds like s cool chapter but I'm not sure it's for me. Not a huge fan of aquatic stuff and it all just seems a bit fishy if I'm honest...

I may have to hit you up for some pads though I do remember having a load of them. Though one squad I recall being slated for Templar pads and that may be less desirable nowadays.

Gonna sit down to try this scheme now hrmm.

Duplicate post somehow lol.

The kids got me up early this morning and though I got them sleeping again it was too late to try myself. Fortunately, I managed to be productive so I'm attaching a few photos of my test scheme. I think I like it. Black for the elbow pads, knees (if present) and some shoulder pads, white for the eagles, some shoulder pads, and probably any robes. They're blue, but I don't think they look like fists OR Ultras.

What think you? I'm somewhat confident I can replicate it on marines though vehicles make me a little apprehensive of a solid copy.

P.S. The weathering needs tweaking, I'll figure that out when/if I have a batch of finished marines to work with. I think the sky blue and silver both work for scratches and base-metal gouges, but they need something between them so the silver shows better, maybe black or something.

Nice scheme dude.

EDC

I like it. Prefer the white shoulder pad though. The turquoise is really nice. I wouldn't mind seeing a recipe. Could see that sitting well on some Tau......

I have had no success in trying to convince people to donate to the cause. Not a bad idea though. May try harder.

Thanks EDC

I like that he has both colors. That will probably be how I do the first squad and they can be from X company. The bikers I have queued up may have double black for Y company, etc. Some squad may end up with white for both.

What do you guys think, white robes or more of a tan like dark angels use?

I think tan. Darker than the Dark Angels though. Leave the white stand out as without competing with the robes.

Posted earlier while fishing for a chapter name in the painting and modeling forum, but then I got more done so here you go. The first six members of my first tactical squad.

Still need a good chapter name, any thoughts? They've got a lot of dark angels and or ravenwing bits.

Hi Grim, been a while. OMG! he is doing Spehs Muhreens? a mass force?

Nice!

They look great

You should name them the Sons of Grimdork if there can be the sons of Orar, then why not the great hero Grimdork who built fortifications to hold back the orc tide.

I'm having trouble with names for them, I want to say use words like celestial or wayfarer as the blue reminds me of sky and or waves on the ocean.

Thanks guys

Shas, I dunno how many. I'm just taking it a squad, or even a model at a time. Upper limits I'm not even sitting at a company though I guess counting terminators and scouts and all the vehicle crews it may be closer than I think. With the new skirmish game and 40k 8th Ed around the corner I could be falling back down the rabbit hole pretty hard, or I may finish this squad and move on to other projects.


Theo, names always give me fits. I'm stuck on the blue color and the dark angels angle mostly. Sadly Angel is involved in a loooot of chapter name haha. Blue Angels is out lol, Azure angels is meh, Azure Order almost works. Angel Blades was suggested and i don't hate it. Something is gonna click...


Say, I've got one vote for a drop pod already but what do you guys think? Pod or rhino? Razorback bits would be included just because.

Angel blades is too close to the Angel's Blade (blood angel book) for my taste.

I vote drop pod myself.

Could just do Order of the Angel, Azure Order or order of the Lion.

Looking good. I think know Azure Order has a cool ring to it.

You should do a Rhino for them, I only say this as I'mentioned currently doing a droppod and it's a real pain

EDC

How about the Azure Knights?

Hmmm.. Azure Order is kinda growing on me...

I have a pod that's practically already base coated for my theme, select black panels and the rest dark grey... May have to do it first. Need to dig out the pod-guts and build+paint those too though, left them out before but in retrospect that seems silly.

Hey all, squad done today






The squad (impatiently) waiting for me to get their Drop Pod painted.

SO there you have it. Pretty good turnover for me as of lately. Could be a bit neater, a bit more precise but meh. I like them well enough. Oh the eyes need some gloss hmm. I'll worry about weathering some time, or they may stay clean.

You guys know what I have, taking votes for what's next after the pod. One for bikes already.

Squad needs a name though the Chapter Name may influence it so hrm.

That's a nice squad of Marines. I especially like the glowy-orange/red power sword.

I vote for either bikes or a character for your next project.

Thanks. I like orange/hot power swords too though I need to refine my technique.

I have bikes nearly ready to prime. I guess I have characters too though really. Not sure if I'm ready for Fistivius Fistigar and his honor guard yet or not.

I'm also considering some Sanguinary Guard for angel themed elite jump troops cause why not. But only after I get a notable chunk of marines painted.

Kinda dreading this drop pod... But I'll make it work.

You could use different choir of angels https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_angels for different companies or even squads within companies.

I vote more marines (tactical) so you have the core out of the way before you get to do the fun stuff.

The Blue Man Group?

Aww don't try to keep me toeing the line Theo! Force Org is both boring AND implies that I intend to play 40k

I suppose I could dig out my land speeder storm and crew. Scouts are fun, different at least. I have a largely completed Librarian though his shade of blue is different from my team.

Besides the fact that there's nothing stopping the.. what Azure Order? Whatever, nothings stopping them from teaming up with the Shadow Knights in a joint deployment within the same metaphorical force org chart.

Something, not 100% I'll be ready for another tactical right away. Although... I'll be doing robed DA plastic marines and they're 50-70% robes anyway so maybe they won't be so bad. Mostly arms and backpacks that get the blue.

I've still got to get through this drop pod. I've fished out the guts but they're going to have to be largely not assembled if I want any kind of decent paint job on them, and then I have to somehow coax them into the pod. Meesh, they're neat but they're a lot of work. Glad I only own three.

As for the angel company names that isn't a bad idea, but I think I'd feel like they're deviating too far from their supposed DA heritage.

I think I'm gonna have the 10 regular companies, the vets, 3 battle companies, 3 reserve companies, plus the devastator, assault, and scout companies. The vet company won't be exactly Deathwing, as I like the idea of Sternguard and command squads/honor guard. The second company won't be ravenwing but it will have a larger than codex allotment of bikes, jumpers, speeders and so on.

The rest are straight codex. The white right black left pauldron configuration will probably be 3rd company and I'll be using it on the second batch of robed marines (who are slated for tacticals and not sternguard). The sternguard (and I gotta have some sterns) will be part of the 1st veteran company probably with double black pads along with the terminators. Not sure which way to do the assault company pads. The bikers and potential sanguinary guard/vanguard vets I'm not as sure about. Those guys will probably have a lot of white from their bike details and wings, though double white pads *would* be a nice foil for the double black of 1st company.

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Anvildude: heh.

Assault pads could be quartered with black and white while the devestators could be halved horizontally. Then command squads could have a slash through them. It's similar to dark angels.

I don't know... Marines might actually look good with shiny cobalt-blue flesh-heads.

I like them. Looks really good and actually pretty damn different to most colour schemes you see on Marines. Well done. I still think something to do with cold is the way to go for chapter names. Storm Banshees, Blizzard Riders, frost knights.

Theo, that's an idea. Filing away for when I get to such squads. Quartering though... shudder.

Thanks Archer. I'll consider cold names. I'm not 100% on anything just yet.

Nice lil video on quartered schemes here:

I'll have to check that out.

Drop pod coming along. I knew washing/glazing over vehicle sized panels would be problematic and the results are largely as expected. It looks ok from 3 feet and matches the marines at least.

The interior is part assembled and primed. Gonna leave it mostly silver so not a lot of work there.

Got a lot of touch-up work fixing the messy blue step but it should be somewhat quick.

Maybe tonight maybe next week who knows lol.

Itchin to dig out my magnetized scouts and lss for troop #2. They're about as different as I can get and deserve paint. Should look largely like ultra scouts but my shades of blue and brown.

Will have to fashion sly magnetic bases for them since they attach that way to their speeder. Gonna mean scenery elements on clear acrylics but what can you do.

Torn on further marines as troops. My robed guys all have highly decorative pauldrons and helmets and probably need to be company vets/sternguard. Aside from scraping the bottom of the AoBR marine bucket I'm stuck repainting the shadow knights. I guess I can stop with two for now though.

Ok got it done. Booyah. Previous comments stand but I'm happy with it being done.

Presenting squad Barakus of the Angels Ascendant in their very own drop pod. Ehh ehh?

They are looking awesome, great work on the pod.

Pod looks great. Almost has a stone like effect to the blue on the pod.

A very good looking squad for the first addition to the force.

Thanks guys

The blue is done by going medium-dark grey then highlighting 2 lighter greys then white. The pod was tedious so I skipped the middle grey. Then the blue glaze/wash. So it basically is a stone technique.

The drop pod turned out great. I have heard numerous horror stories about assembling those things-- was it as bad as everyone says?

Excellent work on the Taco Marines and droppod.

EDC

Taco Marine? Now there's an under-utilized theme!

Chilly McFreeze?

Ahem.
Nice work on the Marines, Grim. I like the scheme - the black and white both look good against the Azure, though I'm not 100% sold on the tan/brown robes alongside brightly coloured armour.

Nice looking marines. Pod also turned out well. Despite it’s disadvantage of starting out as a hate drenched hellspawn.

I’ve done a little quartering. It’s not as bad as I’d thought it would be. I’m sure you could make it work if you put your mind to it.

For what to paint next, I’d just keep mixing things up. 8th edition is just around the corner, and would be a great time to experiment in getting into the game. A core of a couple tac squads with a handful of specialists to support them should make for a fun list, regardless of what changes. Built to the theme and fluff of your army, and you rarely get left out in the cold. At least for casual play.

Thanks folks

Josh, it has been together for years but i don't remember it being terrible, just have to take your time and follow instructions i think.
The guts were pretty fiddly but even that wasn't too bad.

What color would you suggest Az?

Nev, pods aren't soooooo bad... If 8e is more like AoS and especially if there are less models needed... it isn't impossible. I have a loooot of magnets so change is easy

How important are the 32mm bases? I could get some I guess before i go too far... Some bike pill bases too unless those are likely to become round for 8e or something...

Trying to decide on a leader for the force. Since i don't think i can put one in the pod, i probably need a jetpack guy to keep up. Or do some pods fit 12 even though the model doesnt?


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And if jump, do I convert a chaplain, librarian or captain? Captain would have to either be a relic blade or better yet a power spear and storm shield... Chappy obviously would have crozius and maybe a pistol. Libby I dunno, I got those on foot though.


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Also I'm still gonna get through everyone's blogs. Just want to have a minute to admire all the shinies.

I think just ...not an earth tone. You could go for high-contrast like red, but then there's no red elsewhere on your heraldry. Perhaps black (or a really, really dark grey to represent black).

At the moment it's like you've got these brightly armoured marines covering their armour with a sort of dirty brown robe. If the robes were smaller (like small tabards, or only hoods) it could work but the full DA-sized robes are more intrusive and so (for me at least) they need to integrate more to be less intrusive and be mroe a part of the "uniform" or heraldry.

Hmmm i see what you're saying. Maybe really dark grey because meh black, almost as bad as white.

Hmm I may give it a try on another figure.

Actually, I have black robed grey armored marines I could try the blue on.... I'll give it a shot.

If you want a jump character, the chaplain is the first, last, and only answer. OK, that’s a bit excessive. But he should be your first choice. Chaplains want to be in the thick of it crumping heads. Jump packs get them there. Other jump squads often need a little help; chaplains do that. So do librarians, but they do it with wacky space magic. Chaplains do it with pure zeal and hate. None of this “miscast” or “dispel” junk.

All that said, there isn’t really a bad answer. Every edition of the rules, a different HQ type has been the “best”. No idea what’s in store for 8th.

If you're still considering chapter names, I like the sound of "Sons of Grimdor." You might get a bit more ownership with that name and it doesn't clash with the tone as much as "Sons of Grimdork."

Grimdor was a captain of the (predecessor chapter) who was tasked with commanding a new chapter in the (number) Founding. Under his leadership, the chapter earned many accolades and after his death in battle, his successor proclaimed that the chapter would be renamed the Sons of Grimdor in his honour.

Hmm Nev, useful advice. Chaplain sounds fun to convert too.

Dark, interesting. I'm trying out Angels Ascendant but this thing you suggest has merit.

Hmmmmm. Much to ponder.

Primaris Marines. Hmm. I need more information on those before I paint any more space marines lol.

Any guesses on cost? I'm betting $10 a pop or maybe $12. Sell em In squads of 5 basically​ like terminators.

I don't care. It'll be a bitter pill but I want some. If they're stupidly expensive to collect for a 40k elite force then I'll still use them for TNT power armor or SWA teams. Or just fugging shelf pretties. I don't care I needs them.

Not exactly true scale still but they look neat.

So here's one of my black robed guys repainted to have the new blue. Needs re sealed and touched up but I think this is good enough to get the point across. Thoughts? Right pad is black due to company, robed troops would still have the white.

Hmm on a side note... TNT or SWA? Preservers vs some kind of Inquisition force maybe.

So here's one of my black robed guys repainted to have the new blue. Needs re sealed and touched up but I think this is good enough to get the point across. Thoughts? Right pad is black due to company, robed troops would still have the white.

Hmm on a side note... TNT or SWA? Preservers vs some kind of Inquisition force maybe.

To be honest, the starter set is remarkable value, at least here it is. I am looking at £2 a model. That is amazing.


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To be honest, the starter set is remarkable value, at least here it is. I am looking at £2 a model. That is amazing.

Even though GW has turned some things around, I still would prefer to see more alternate stuff like TNT. That's why I've been working on my Beyond the Gates of Antares stuff.

Yeah the starter looks good. I'm sure the chaos would be fun to paint whether I got more or not. I could wait to see if there's a good start collecting box but I doubt the value would be there.

Theo, yeah I'm still in a love/hate with gw though I have wanted to run some kind of Inquisition force for ages.

Oh yeah, bones 3.

What minis are the Star Craft looking guys ?

Those are blackstar corsairs from reaper. They made them for the bones 3 Kickstarter but most of that stuff should hit retail eventually.

accept no substitutes....except if they are cheaper .

I like how generic the black stars are. May use one for my Preservers TNT faction. Well, potentially 2. But I'd have to find a grenade launcher.

Drew up a list of potential minis to paint from the dnd 5e starter set but I dunno if I'll focus on it or not.

Dark Imperium is at Miniature Market. A paltry discount to $136 but i guess anything beats GW direct. On the fence. If it were a hundred I'd be all upons. I mean... it's still solid. Upwards of 40-50 GW dudes for 136 plus the book that's probably msrp 60 etc. Still i dunno. Not sure I need the chaos but I know I won't eBay the marine half for $80 that's absurd. And a start collecting hrmm. That has merit, maybe 10 marines and a boss? Well they probably wouldn't be snap fit.

I'm not in a hurry, but I'd like to secure with without worry of loss. Free shipping at that price point. On the fence. What are you guys doing? I kind of *need* the bigass marines. The chaos stuff is a touch cartoony, everyone is big grins but not scary grins like the great unclean one. And nurglings hanging off like they're snots on orc vehicles. Ehh..

What say ye folk?

I'm skipping it. Big marines for big money sake.

Besides I'm having fun with Gates of Antares. I have all my marines if I decide to try Bolter Action, and the system is cleaner and faster.

GoA does seem interesting, if someone local was playing it maybe I could manufacture interest in a faction.

I *need* giant Marines though. Need. . I could wait for the kits to release but the starter set prices are generally never beaten. Perhaps if I could hawk the chaos half on eBay for even approaching​ to what they're listing them at and make decent recovery.

Not like I need more figures at all...but Dem new marines...

If/When you pick up DI, make sure you give us a review. I'm pretty much done with 40K, but I'm curious if the current rules guys rescue that particular mess.

Also, your Marines are looking good. The blue you chose is unusual and striking.

Hmmm, Reaper making a squad of space troopers, oh yeah!

Watched the unbox of DI on BoW, looks pretty good. Those jetpack dudes are basically dual wielding mini heavy bolters how cool is that.

The deathguard are pretty sweet and the characters are a mixed bag but cool overall. The poxwalkers look better in 3d, they don't seem as flat as the box photos make them out to be. Some are still quite derpy but overall they're acceptable. I could see making some from extant normal marines in my collection by bashing in some chaos warrior helmets and extending their torsos with belly mouths and stuff. I'm pretty sure the new ones are quite tall.

And there I go looking into working both factions, expanding both...sheesh.

Gonna try to move some things around to see, I'm sure the retail release will never see an equivalently low price to the box set, even if you only count the 24 marines from the $136 that's still 5.60 or so per and I'm sure they'll be more retail.

Considering the box set puts me in a weird place with wanting to paint any more regular marines though... Especially when I consider that some may become deathguard if I *do* but DI...

I have to agree with you, the deathguard are intriguing and look like a fun project. Also, you've got some nice work on here!

Thanks . I need to get back to more steadily updating but that'll require steadily doing projects. When the kids get a touch bigger..

Nurgle chaos just seem too fun to convert. I've long had a vague interest in them and getting some in the starter box would be the perfect excuse. I wonder if normal CSM will still be a thing. I like how crazy the deathguard are, trying to decide if they're s specific subfaction or just what we're calling plague marines. I liked the idea of tough PMs holding objectives with close support by regular CSM. The poxwalkers and bloat drone make me thing such traditional support may be less common but it may also be a deathguard specific thing...

My collection of zombies, gribbly monster parts, and so on has only increased over the years.

I hear you about trying to get more regular progress. I just can't seem to get any hobby time at the moment. I am really liking your Marines. Especially the robed ones.

Was just at Miniaturemarket and they had a set of the new figs on display. They are great looking models, but I just can't get into them as they are just different scaled than the old models. Looks like a great jumping on point, but I'm too old school. IF I were to get back into GW it would be with the nurgle ones though, the blight drone was magnificent.

Thanks archer. I like the blue, I think I may switch to black robes like last page, but I'm really indecisive about moving forward on any marines until I either get or do not get the new guys.

Theo, the new marines are *supposed* to be bigger . We're the deathguard that much bigger than usual?

They didn't have old marines next to the models, just a full set from the starter box out on a gw provided cardboard table. The burgle guys looked the same size wise as the primaries marines, but I was more looking at details than the figs side by side. I know the new marines are supposed to be larger, and they look more proportional, just I have soooooo many old marines that to even start a new faction would be rediculous.

Edit: thinking about it, maybe this is why the khorne also guys have gotten so much bigger also. They were preparing for the new scale of 40k and the fantasy khorne guys will probably fit in fine with new berserkers if they come out.

I found a good comparison photo finally. Primaris are everything I was hoping for. Death guard are actually nearly the same size but I don't have any chaos to displace.

Wow they are big, that's not true scale like people are saying, that's giant! That's ogryn in a suit, that is. Now funny enough I can understand the chaos dudes being silly big, cus like they be tainted, but that is hellish scale creep. Got to admit they do look nice though, I will one day get a set just for laughs I think.

What you gotta remember is the marine in the middle is the same height as a guardsman. That's not right and never has been. The new marines are the proper height they should always have been. And they technically are new, it isn't creep, they're even more enhanced marines in bigger beefier armor.

They'll still make classic marines look like turds imo, but I'm ok with it to get properly large marines.

You are right though, hey are better proportioned but still certainly not what I would consider truescale. I'm ok with it, nothing else in 40k is either.

Don't get me wrong here, I know the old boy was a bit puny, and should always have been beefy, and to be honest the scale thing has never really bothered me that much, catachan biceps the size of soccer balls and hands off the incredible hulk, but to be honest if painted well and on mass they look good, the same as mass SM, a formation, currently looks bloody awesome. This big fellas are going to make it super impressive. I like having a bit of variety, and to me, my orks should be all over the place on size, right up to a 10' Warboss, who is then strapped into a armoured robotic suit, should be vast and scary as hell, the same as a carnifax. The only funny I have is thinking about 10 of these big guys getting into a rhino! It is about time they gave them a proper scale transport, my rhinos are only used as scout vehicles as far as I am concerned.

Jeez thats a lot to say, sorry, shutting up now.

I think the black-robed guy looks the business. That's the thing about black - it's easy since it goes with almost anything.

The problem with Marines scale hasn't been so much them being the wrong size, or regular humans having scale creep, but fluff creep. Back in Rogue Trader they were T3, like regular humans. They were elite, but not the man-gods that they're now portrayed as. And they weren't 8 feet tall. It's 30 years of fawning background that's done that while the actual models only got a bit bigger, in line with other ranges. And yes, the plastic Catachans had WAY too many 'roids, but that kit/range is a bit of an abomination, akin to those WHFB 4th(?) edition goblins that were the size of humans, before they got scaled back down with the Skull Pass set.

As for the new marines and DM box, We already have variance of scale with just regular marines if you have the older models through to Centurions and current Terminators. So I'm going all-in. Six boxes. I'll just need to sell off a few rulebooks. Or perhaps build a fort out of them. I'm sure that the Primaris will be readily available on the Bay for a reasonable price as well, and if you're not taken by the DG, there's always the traditional "split a pair of boxes" method if you can find someone somewhat local...

Yeah I don't think the big guys will be getting rhino access. They seem to have a hover-tank land raider looking thing though.. Talk all you like, I'm not here as much as I'd like to be so you guys can fill in the blanks

Thanks Az, I think I like him too.

I didn't realize the RT guys were normal sized, makes sense really. All I know is that I came on the scene early 3rd edition and they were never really tall enough. Ok next to eldar cause aliens... but guardsmen made me sad lol.

So far eBay is trying to sell the model halves (without the book etc) for what looks like $80 each. So they're trying for half the box but giving you 1/3 of the box. Since I can get the whole box from MM for 136 the difference between the eBay "deal" and buying it "retail" is only 56 dollars. Count the book and the deathguard and I may as well just buy my own stinkin set. The deathguard will be the perfect excuse to convert my own dudes, I've kind of always wanted chaos, and nurgle sounds fun to convert. May even be where my old marines end up, plaguified.

That sounds like a plan. What I meant was checking out eBay in a couple of months for a squad or two of Primaris to shore up your numbers. The excitement (and madness) will have toned down, but people will still be parting out the boxes - especially so they can sell that hardcover for a little less than retail and the prices for the models should be a lot saner by then.

As for the split box, I mean finding a friend/local/guy in the store who's happy to swap one set of models for the other. If you're going Nurgley instead then it's all good. That's why I'm getting multiples - I have uses for all the models in there.

I've split boxen before but I don't really have friends locally who play. I think I like both halves after seeing it.

I hadn't considered the prices leveling out. Dv seemed like a good deal for s *long* time but the genestealer cultists one always seemed high .

I think the primaris will be a one of everything approach for me as much as possible.

I like minis ........as we all know, but I just don't think GW can rescue the warhammer game system. It needs a complete overhaul and not like aos . I think I've just overcome the sunken cost theory of tossing more money at GW since I've dumped so much already. The fact that most of my GW stuff is boxed up all ramshackley is a good clue. I e just been burnt by them too much. I love the death guard look though.

I'm willing to bite based on 8 pages of core rules, vehicles with wounds and toughness, and so on. May never play but if the rule book is 90% fluff I'll enjoy reading it.

Title says it:


Bit edgier, bit less poor monks in space burlap, this is the new look for the Angels Ascendant.

Still not sure if I'm gonna continue to paint regular old marines or not. Some may get eaten by chaos! Still vacillating on DI. I mean I want it. But it's not inexpensive. Hrm.

Wanna paint something, but kinda meh on marines until I know more. I know they can work together but eeeehhhh.

Kinda wanna look into SWA, always wanted to try necromunda... but the thing is I really would like an inquisitor team and I'm hearing things to the effect that they're quite one dimensional. So not really representative of that team with a badass inquisitor, desperado, sword person, sniper, etc. Sounds like if you wanna play hardball its a bunch of acolytes with sniper rifles or storm shields lol. Boring. So I dunno. The Tau team is pathfinders with a stealth suit maybe and stuff like that, but I don't have those lol. Space marine scouts seems kinda boring. I could see running the DI death guard and converting some cultists to go with it but eeeeh. I could always just stick to TNT really.

So I dunno. Kinda in hobby limbo, I've got a lot of stuff to paint but I'm not sure what to do. I have a lot of killer Infinity stuff I could be doing, but that's usually more stressful and needs a steadier hand and/or longer sessions.. hrm. Could use a slew of TNT terrain but I haven't gotten around to working on any of it, I mean all I have atm is a bunch of base pieces cut to size. So I dunno.

Kiddo just woke up anyway so I guess I'm good for today anyway lol.

The squad looks great, Grim. I think you should paint another squad of Space Marines. 8th is going to be far, far less of a cluster than 6-7th. On top of that, marines are a relatively easy, low stress type of model that you'll always be able to use, and you'll be building on the Angels that you've just finished.

I've *ahem* seen a leaked copy of the SM Index. Tacticals now come in a base squad of 5, and you can add up to another 5. Or just paint a cool model or two for fun. Veterans now come in a pair(!) and can be bumped up to 5, Champions and Apothecaries are ICs, as are Techs, Chaplains and Librarians - and even the Company standard, who is now called an "Ancient".

Vet twins? Neat. The things you say please me lol.

I'll give it a think.

Yeah, a Vet Sgt and a Vet Marine. Bolt Pistols, Chainswords, etc, and either can take a special, storm shields, melee weapons, etc.. basically whatever you want shy of heavy weapons.


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Yeah, a Vet Sgt and a Vet Marine. Bolt Pistols, Chainswords, etc, and either can take a special, storm shields, melee weapons, etc.. basically whatever you want shy of heavy weapons.

Huh. 2 man squads seems like a great way to fill out that +9 command point formation with like 12-15 minimum units haha.

I'm kinda used to thinking of vets in terms of 5-10 sternguard podding down... I'll have to get this index I guess. Teeny squads are great motivation for getting painting. That and tanks having wounds and toughness...

Sounds like increased​ micromanagement in-game, but as simple as the rules sound..

I am loving your dreadnought. Have we seen it before?

Thanks . I posted about him when I first finished him but that was maybe upwards of two years ago?

Bitsboxius I think is his name :-P

Been reading up on 8th ed 40k. Mostly an intellectual pursuit as we'll definitely be playing TNT next, but who knows maybe someday after that...

Anyway I wanted to ask what you guys thought I should do with these scouts:



They're somewhat non-standard, having cadian legs instead of scout legs. I forget why I did this, perhaps a conversion of opportunity?

I think I'm keen to leave the pauldrons black to indicate their novitiate status, only experienced marines get the white right pad, and only vets will get both white pads (and possibly a helmet, but that may be left for Sgts+ only).

But after that I'm open to suggestion. The faces and bolters are probably fine, mainly the chest plates will need to be repainted blue to match the Angels Ascendant. Do I stop there? Would the dark grey fatigues, black gloves, and black boots work, or would that blue be too bright for all the dark? I could change the pants to a dark brown but that may throw off the balance of colors?

What say ye?


In terms of 40k I'm moving forward with the following loose principles/guidelines:

*There's at least a 50% chance of me leaning heavily towards Dark Angels, permanently converting things to fit their data sheet things and whatever. I have a lot of DV termies and bikes so aesthetically it works anyway.

*I'm probably going to institute a 1 for 1 policy in regards to Dark Imperium. Before I'm willing to buy it, I've got to paint one model for each one I'll get. Still considering trying to pawn off the Chaos half, but I'll hold myself to all 53 (i think?) models painted first.
As a side thought, should I count the 11 models (that first AA squad and their Pod) I did earlier towards that or not? I was gonna count them towards "unlocking" Battle for Calth or something but I'm glad I waited.

*I'm operating under some assumptions gleaned from the tactics section:
-scouts are apparently good/cheap for both DA/nilla
-tanks and stuff are expensive but tougher
-apparently for nilla tactical marines you want 5 man squads with a special and matching combi, dark angels sound less conclusive
-storm bolters are quite a winner from the edition change
-drop pods are much more expensive, prohibitively so, and less things can use them. boo. Just painted that one
-I'll probably have to just suck it up and buy the stinky Marine-having Index. I assume the actual codex for space marines will come out sooner than later but the dark angels one will likely be a longer time coming. Buying the index now lets me do all kinds of fun list building and theorycrafting now, and it doesn't cost *thaaat* much.

Hey, if you end up with any Death Guard you don't want, just let me know! DG was my second 40k army ever, and I'm itching to get back to them!

Perhaps something can be worked out. I'm not as greedy as eBay. I probably won't buy the box for awhile yet as I plan to clear a like number of models from my shelf first..but I'll let it be known here when I do.

To me scouts could be any color as they are camouflaged. Your black and grey works for me.

Hmmm. Feels like the armor at least should be blue. I'll try one and see if it's too bright.

Curious to see what the new "stealth"/assault primaris look like.

Hmm did DA ever get access to the land speeder storm? That's one of my regrets as it's a nilla thing but I supposedly​ play dark angels. I guess? Lol. If I go whole hog DA, I may find it some wheels and use if for a post apocalypse cruiser.

Yeah, I've always had an issue with GW painting their Scouts in bright heraldic colours. Here are my DA scouts:



If you're dead set on blue, you could go with a blue-base camo pattern - just googling "blue camo" gives a wealth of examples, and the Russians certainly use a version of it.


It appears that DAs don't have access to the Land Speeder Storm atm. Unless you simply want to include it and ask your opponents nicely if you can run it?

It's not terribly likely that I'll end up playing anyway, but that's what I thought. I bought a bunch of SM stuff and then decided I liked DA lol. Serves me right I guess

Hmm. Well I don't really wanna paint camo, maybe I'll just leave them dark. Or possibly do a much darker (Navy or midnight maybe) blue that keeps them darker but tributes the main scheme.


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Those scouts are pretty sweet btw.

Don't think it matters in 8th ed. Won't the Land Speeder Storm have the <Chapter> keyword?

Using the Chadian legs on the Scouts actually looks pretty cool.

EDC

Those scouts look awesome bud, just pick out one shoulder to go all chapter on, go dark camo on the rest, or I think leave as is, just pick one shoulder.

Not going there on the camo and SM thing, enough to say that those scouts look amazing Az really brilliant work. Can imagine them infiltrating through a jungle quite well. Unlike a bright frigging blue and white "shoot me cus I stand out like a sore thumb!" scout.

Maybe just go with a darker or more muted blue, perhaps with a light drybrush of sandy-brown to further dull them down and make them a bit more infiltrator-earthy?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Don't think it matters in 8th ed. Won't the Land Speeder Storm have the <Chapter> keyword?

It's not in the big "Dark Angels can have these" list at the start of the DA-specific section of the book, like Tactical Squads or Rhinos, not in the DA list that contains the "Vengeance" etc. I was surprised, actually.

 Camkierhi wrote:

Not going there on the camo and SM thing, enough to say that those scouts look amazing Az really brilliant work. Can imagine them infiltrating through a jungle quite well. Unlike a bright frigging blue and white "shoot me cus I stand out like a sore thumb!" scout.

Thanks mate. I just feel that Scouts should look like they would be able to, you know, infiltrate and scout.

Yeah LSS are like storm talons, nilla dudes only. I could do a separate group of non DA to take it but I don't think the auras would be compatible so ehh meh.

I think a vague list of what I'd work towards moving forward with DA would be something along the lines of..
DW terminators, 5-10, whatever works there.
DW knights, I have some converted terminators who should be appropriately​ armed and sufficiently​ badass I think.
Belial because he makes those things better.
Some bikers, may as well include the ravenwing. Anything from three and up honestly.
I'd like to use my land raider but they're expensive. Probably load it up with whatever passes for a tooled up command squad/retinue with whichever character, apothecary, veterans, champion or whatnot makes them brutal.
Some scouts.
I'd like a predator but it's likely that or the LR.
I'd like some razorbacks to go with the other armor, or maybe some dreadnoughts.
Past 2000 already but I'd like to do the 4x heavy bolter devastator team, or maybe one plasma for kicks.
And I've got several land speeders that should come into play some time.

Ok so the wife and kids went swimming at a friend's house and me? Well I randomly decided to make a shotgun trip to a semi local gamestore an hour away to pick up the index:imperium 1 so I could toy with lists without assumptions and leading questions here to bait info from Az

I rebased my scouts, I think I'll leave them alone paint wise.

So I'm instituting a mini challenge to "unlock" Dark Imperium.

Basically, it has 52 minis so I have to paint 52 minis before I can buy it. It's a soft restriction, if I see an excellent deal I'll buy it and keep it sealed until I meet goal. The goal has soft "fail" condition in that I need to buy it before work slows down in the winter or I'll never be willing to spend the money . I still plan to try to trade or sell the chaos half but as that's not a guarantee, I'm holding to 52 minis.

Now. Should I count anything towards that so far?

I painted 10 Angels Ascendant and a pod so far, and rebased 5 scouts and cleared them for faction switch. So am I at 16/52, or should I not count the AA marines because I did them before the challenge, or the scouts because I didn't repaint them?

I guess should the challenge be to paint 52 space marine minis from today on, or to have a space marine chapter with 52 painted minis before expanding it?



Anyone seen any stand outs in the II1? It looks like the basic tactical marine and scout profiles are universal to all chapters in the book so it doesn't matter of i do DA or a more generic <chapter> until I start on something that is DA specific or DA unavailable. I'm thinking DA though so I can use my DV terminators and bikes. And my custom fancy DW termies/knights.

I'm glad you only did a rebasing, the paint job works great on them stealth guys.

The tightwad in me says that you start from zero since you are just making the deal with yourself and all of that is done now.

I don't disagree...but the next few things to paint are probably two razorbacks a character and a couple of arm swaps for the 10 marines lol... Gonna be steep uphill at that pace

The dark grey works for me. I'd say the opposite of Theo - if these marines are going to be the main project that you're working on for the 52, you've really only just gotten into doing them, so I'd count them. I also count rebasing as "finishing" figures, as you well know, so there's that as well.

The scouts look pretty good there as well. The grey and black works well and gets my seal of stealth-approval.

I think I agree. Especially with some tanks coming up, I'm gonna need the numbers .

I think the scouts blend in ok thanks to the black robes the marines now wear.

I'm looking at a death wing detachment (well, I dunno if it'll actually be a detachment or just a group lol) comprising Belial, 2x DWT units, and 5 DW Knights. Trying to decide if they get an apothecary or champion. It's a big chunk of army for just 16 figures. 677 points maybe.

Considering a pair of assault cannon razorbacks with some marines and scouts, I'll need some armor penetration. Also planning HB devs because I always wanted some... So I wonder if I need a laspred or if I can afford a land raider. They are both getting a bad rap for being expensive, but the LR especially sounds tough as nails.

Hmm. Maybe some dreadnoughts with ranged loadouts? I need to look into those.

Shooty dreads are best dreads . I haven't even glanced at the rules, that's how ambivalent I've become to GWs stuff lately. Probably because the last few iterations have been junk and me working crap hours so I don't get games in. I know it'll be fun, and the newer models are even better than before.

The basic PDF is like 15 pages tops. Seems pretty straightforward.

Vehicles going to wounds sounds amazing.

I'm liking the excuse to work a longer/larger project than just TNT warbands.

I think ironclads, furiosos, and wolf dreads can do ok mixing it up. Standard and venerables seem like they'd be good shooting. Though this edition is less restricted for the shooting+assault so a DCCW could be pretty useful and a decent solution to tanks.


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I think the internet is out of its mind on preds. Such toughness many wounds. I think trying to replace all guns with lascannons is forcing it and why they end up 200 points. Consider the autolas pred with the original main cannon and Las sponsons. Compared to a twinlas+twinauto dread, the points are the same but the pred is much tougher and it's autocannon is a bit more rangey but does more damage. The dread won't degrade as it gets beat up but the predator has 3 more wounds and 8 toughness.

Think I know which I like better ATM.

I think I have stumbled upon the ultimate in cheap and effective and 3d/2.5d dungeon tiles. 9x ~3" tiles for a buck. They're painted puzzle foam pieces from Dollar Tree. Looks like a sin to me.

Looks fabulous, especially with your little ones running around.

Yar. It's pretty tough being floor mat style foam, may need to seal them though to be safe.

I seem to have inadvertently amassed a modest Deathwing force. Front two need conversion to become Belial and an ancient. The guys on the right will be knights, just using swords aesthetically to count as maces of absolution. Some fixing and converting all around.

Still torn on the pred/dread/raider decision, though people seem to like putting the knights in a raider.

I hear dark eldar are doing ok this edition... And so the madness begins

So many lovely terminators .

EDC

Yar that's probably 2000 points or better lol.


Dang it.

Being seduced by the dark eldar(again).

Ok so knocking out a fun simple 40k 8e Deathwing list, or well mostly deathwing.

I think with the vanguard detatchment I can get 6 elite slots at the expense of a few others which makes up for no deathwing as troops (as far as I can tell?). So anyway, I've come up with this list to use up the 22 or so terminators I have in my collection. May need to chase down a few bits but I think they're all pretty close to ready. Also, named characters are weird this edition...technically you can't use a <chapter> character in a <successor chapter> army, but you know what? If anyone has a fit then I'm playing Dark Angels in temporary (forever) blue camo.

Belial
Deathwing Ancient (SB+Fist, for now)
Deathwing Knights x5
Deathwing Terminators x5 (assault cannon, chain fist)
Deathwing Terminators x5 (ditto)
Deathwing Terminators x5 (yep, same)
Venerable Dreadnought with twinlas and missile (twin-auto is also an option)
Land raider (2x twinlas, twinHB, waiting on doilies until the last few points)

Its like 150+125+ ~250 x 4 plus 165 for the dread and 356 or some such for the tank. Whatever, it comes to like 1779, leaving me 221 points left I think. There's our problem.

I'm both out of elite slots in this detachment and also out of terminators. I have maybe one guy left, and a couple of torsos who do not appear to have legs available. I could nab another set, maybe, but I'd have to kill Fistivius Fistigar and I'm not ready to do that yet.

So what does the list need? It's got 15 terminators deep striking in with Belial and the Ancient, spewing out 74 shots with reroll support and then (most likely a turn later) charging in probably with extra attacks from the Ancient. The Knights ride up in the land raider since getting a (more than) 9" charge is very unreliable and they have no shoots. The dread deploys with the land raider but generally hangs back unloading up to three d6 damage shots at enemy armor. Should be stationary with 2+ to hit, but could move if necessary.

So there's 6 lascannons and a missle for armor, plus 10 power fists, 3 chain fists, and 4 better than power fist maces of absolution to beat up tanks and multiwound stuff. And then there's 14 storm bolters and 3 assault cannons with reroll support to shred infantry. I'm sure other lists get more firepower but it seems like a relatively even mix right now which is nice, but leaves me unsure of what to add.

Recalling that our detachment only has room for 1 more HQ, 3 troops, 2 fast, 1 heavy (unless we can count that LR as a DT?), and maybe a flyer or two... what do I take? I'm fine borrowing some ravenwing or greenwing. Do you see any obvious gaps in the list? It need to be hyper competitive, just playable.

I think there's room for a tactical squad (or scouts) and a razorback. But would you take a twinlass or twasscan (yeah, twin assault cannon sounds like trash can in baby talk, I find it amusing..) razorback, and should the marines take the special + matching combi or a heavy and hang back. Or scouts with snipers?

Or should I spam cheap infantry and take three units of scouts with bolters and heavy bolters. Get them stuck into cover in the mid field and work on objectives? 65 points a squad (as described) certainly fits into our budget.

So do devastators, 65+30+21+5 I think is 121 for a heavy bolter team with a plasma cannon and ammo cherub. Might *maybe* be able to fit in a twasscan-back too, though of course now we're heavily focusing on anti infantry. But I could be overlooking a deficiency and that could be a good thing?

I think one of the DA fliers could work but I don't own one so I'm not sure that's my first choice here.

What about ravenwing? I do have the 14 bikes. No knights, but I could take some plasma guns on bikers. Not sure how many you can get for 221 points. Also still not sure if I should take minimum squads to max out plasma (2 on 3 bikes, possibly with Sgt plasma pistol) or to take a couple guns and fluff out the squad so they're harder to get rid of.

I hear things about twin heavy flamer land speeders, though I think Ravenwing speeders are 119 points with the flamer so I couldn't take two.


Hmm anyway enough of my musing, what should I take guys? Anything missing? Any favorite units to suggest? As a side note, I think you can save 9 points on the Ancient by giving him a pair of lightning claws, or you can spend 18 more points by switching to TH/SS. I held back on the storm shield because I didn't want it to dictate what else I would take, but it *is* a strong upgrade to give a 5 wound model a 3+ invulnerable save.

Thanks for looking.

I always though that deathwing needed some rave wing land speeder help, I don't know the new rules and such, but added mobility and flames for hordes .

I'm sure I'll paint them eventually, and if I end up playing at some point they may get to hit the table too.

I got a suggestion on one of the tactics threads so I think I may go with:

HQ
(150)Belial
(145)Ezekiel

Elite
(077)Deathwing Apothecary with storm bolter
(125)Deathwing Ancient with storm bolter and power fist
(245)Deathwing Terminators x5, assault cannon, chain fist
(245)Deathwing Terminators x5, assault cannon, chain fist
(240)Deathwing Terminators x5, assault cannon
(250)Deathwing Knights x5
(165)Venerable Dreadnought -Twin lascannon, Missile

Heavy
(356)Land Raider

1998/2000

Now, I've just realized that I end up with too many elite slots by 1. Of course it's something. Can't you just take multiple detachments this edition though? Can they still share special rules since they all have the same Keywords? I could easily just double up on the Vanguard detachment if this is the case since it just needs an HQ and 3 elites.

Anyway, the apothecary probably deepstrikes with the rest of that half of the force, and Zeke runs behind the land raider as best he can. It's not ideal but what can you do? Brings us to a nice minimized 26 models counting the land raider and the dreadnought. Zeke allows for some psyker shenanigans and even an aura of death throes style attacks.



Oh, I also came into an amazon gift card recently and shamelessly squandered it on Xenos 1, so now I can make dark eldar lists too. And of course I'll also have access to the other eldar subraces now bwhahahahahahahaha!


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Obvious I can't do points yet but here's a breakdown of my space elf murder pirates so far..

Archon
5x incubi
2x haemonculi
5x raiders
1 ravager
50+ warriors
10x scourge
10x wyches
6x old mandrakes (look more like wyches than new mandrakes)
5x hellions
8x reaver jetbikes

I think venoms are still good. I believe ravagers are top shelf so i might need to look into converting a couple of raiders, and raiders aren't considered top tier anyway.

Scourges apparently win.

Mandrakes too but I have none.

If it's not possible for an Archon and a pack of incubi to troll around murderizing things I just dunno what to do so we'll see!

Plus I guess I can use eldar and harlequins too!

So i needed a Belial. The sgt from the DV terminators looks the part but I had to dumb down the other two identical Sgts so he would look more special by comparison. Swapped a few other things Round and may do a few more detail bits but i think they're nearly there. Good enough for Imperial work

Damn you've been busy, Grim. Good to see that 8tb has it's hooks into you as well as it has into myself.

Hey! I didn't realise the two guys next to not-Belial were clones until just now. I guess that means objective achieved.

Haha yeah it started with that damn Horus heresy humble bundle and then 8e. I'd say SWA too but ehh meh. With only a single handful of unit types the forces seem way too samey. I'll stick to TNT for skirmish atm.

Nothing too crazy this time I hope. I have many space marines and quite a few dark eldar. I think updates and conversions are the orders of the day moving forward. May have to indulge in some of the fresher DE kits while they're still comparatively cheap...the kabalites and scourges are particularly appealing. I do have 50 warriors and 10 scourges but still...

Still on the fence for the starter box. I know I want the rules. My main opponent has a 40k army so it's not impossible we might play some day. I think I'm over the death guard especially since I'm looking into DE too. Trying to decide if the Primaris are worth the jump from ~$50 to ~$140. I'm sure eBay and later retail release will be less cost effective but I'm also not as sold on them from a gameplay aspect. The troops aren't too different from tacticals but no vehicles or upgrades to speak of. The captain and ancient don't offer much. The hellblasters are kind of ridiculous but again no transport and you can get a similar unit in normal marines. Inceptors compare interestingly to HB devs in a pod but not that much.

From a modeling stand point I think the giant marines are sweet. I'm sure I'd like the full kits better than push fits, but I'd probably have fun with them regardless.


With that index coming I may have to look over some eldar units, see if there are any fun ones I can corrupt for my darkies. Oh and harlequins. I balk at them at first but then they're basically freaky elf bards and I love bards. They're expensive though, more so than average I'd say..

Well I found you continue with your "I must paint xxxx" models before buying the core box, then by the time your done maybe the individual sprues will be out. Then you can justify only buying the marines .

True, though the legit boxen will be more expensive.

Painting a librarian today. Well Ezekiel I guess.

I think I'm gonna go black pads on the terminator shoulders. It will be easier and the icons on the pads will be able to contrast better.

Need to get on task with fixing/converting what needs finished, then cleaning before a prime. Can't decide if I want white or grey primer. White makes all the white accents easier though grey removes an entire step. I'm terrible with white though... so I may have to do that...

Ezekiel and Bitzboxius, the first two members of my wee Angels Ascendant vanguard strike force.

I love Bitzboxius , can't see much with that photo, you've been using my picture skills I see .

Yeah lighting wasn't the best.

Bitzboxius looks awesome. I assume he's got a refactor field around that book, though!

The book is made of spite for the fallen, spite is indestructible

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The book is made of spite for the fallen, spite is indestructible

except when you roll a one , then just to spite you it will let itself and your precious already more than half dead marine die .

Well I never said spite was a good thing

A Dakka blog exclusive, I managed to get one terminator done. I was trying to do the three that I had finished for the shadow knights but two are still in progress. Needed to finish one inst of get close on three.

Anyway here he is alongside Bitzboxius and Zeke. It's probably the most common pose in the force, I think either the DV terminator squad came with 2x of this same pose or somehow I ended up with extras.

Looking good. Great work on the Librarian.

EDC

Nice work on the terminator , that color sure looks great across all the models, which doesn't happen often.

By the way the previews of the Revieres(no idea how it's supposed to be spelled) almost has me ready to buy a primaris army

Thanks guys

Theo, look at their shins. They're weird. Resist!

 Theophony wrote:
Nice work on the terminator , that color sure looks great across all the models, which doesn't happen often.

By the way the previews of the Revieres(no idea how it's supposed to be spelled) almost has me ready to buy a primaris army

Reivers lol. Sneaky stabbers.

I'm curious to see their rules. Not sure how 3 marines are gonna get much done, primaris or not. What like 3 attacks with that combat knife? Normal or possibly master crafted heavy bolt pistols maybe... Probably forward deployment. But unless they get some kind of exploding 6's or rerolls or power weapon options I just dunno what they're gonna be good at killing while off on their own.

Also they want to be painted black but would then look like Junior chaplains so that doesn't work.

I've seen the bicycle pants repaint and I do think that's the weakest part, but SKULL HELMS . Well I've resisted anyway, no 40.1k for me.

Yeah I think I have a quaint little primaris force before it's over. Serious considering working on my dark eldar too.

Must.... buy... new... marines....

 Azazelx wrote:
Must.... buy... new... marines....

You need to join the marine of the month club. Each month they send you the new shiny plastic and the paints needed to paint them in the chapter flavor of the month for maximum power gaming.

You're right, Theo, I should hassle Josh to see if he can get a box of those Japan-only marines for me!

 Azazelx wrote:
You're right, Theo, I should hassle Josh to see if he can get a box of those Japan-only marines for me!

I'm not wholly certain how to get them myself-- I live pretty far from any other gamers.

edit: They will apparently be released "very soon," according to a month-old post on the Warhammer Community site. I don't see them on the GW Japan webstore, though.

Japan only what now?

Hmm urge to harlequin rising...but only slightly. If you could still easily get death masques maybe...but harlies cost more money than everything else that's similar lol. I think it's a 2k deldar list before any more De purchases.

If it does turn out that you can find/get them, I'd be stoked to be able to send you enough moneys to grab a Rhino-box of them for me.

Per the Wargamers in Japan FB group. they will be released in September.

Finished two more terminators. Got the last two members primed grey. Also rebased 5 finished DE warriors. I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and buy a quartet of venoms as I've avoided buying them for too long. You can usually get a majority of the body cheapish on eBay and I'll finish them with 3e guns and bits as necessary. Been trying not to buy but I've needed those for a good while.

Getting further away from the 8e box set. Given how much primaris stuff is gonna cost moving forward....just dunno. I think my resurgence of affection for DE is holding that purchase at bay. Of course I'm gonna want an airwing of their sick fliers some day lol.

Terminators are looking great , that blue just keeps getting better and better.

For all the great models coming out of GW, people seem to be overlooking the pricing., and I'm too cheap to rebuild with this new golden-plasticrack.

Thanks.

The DI box primaris are fine in cost. The characters are really high though, though I guess that's not terribly different to the norm. But the need of their own tank, that big honkin dreadnought etc...that'll all get costly.

Kinda like picking up some harlequins would be expensive... Best to stick to my existing armies and expand thrm lightly. Box of wyches so I can have wyches *and* bloodbrides, eBay bits venoms just because, the 60-80 dollar flyers because they're both good but more importantly they look awesome. Oh maybe that DE race game, too many bikes before it's over lol but I'd like the hellions.

Space marines are largely good forever except maybe some bits.

There are primaries vs death guard starters coming out which look decent in price and all the talk I've read has said the characters aren't too different from the norm numarines, so just paint one or two up different if that's how you'd expand your force. But I totally understand the cost side and expanding the DE would probably be better anyways. Plus their beast packs could double in your this is not a test games too .

The way I see it is that there's no need to build a new Primaris Army, or play Pokemon with the new models (gotta catch 'em all!) Sure, I'll pick up the characters if I see them cheap, but I'm happy to add the starter set models to my existing forces. I don't necessarily need the "Official" standalone captain or Librarian.

besides, look at what Agis did with the Box set models and BA bits. I'm planning to do some of the same with DA bits, and I'm sure you can also.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/729059.page

Gah it's like you guys are the cartoon angel and devil on my shoulders! But who is who?!

Since it's only 60 or so more dollars for all of those models compared to buying the book solo, it's easy to talk myself into it.

Kinda wanna order some eBay bits venoms too. Ofc I'd like to have the rule book sooner than later. Should have held off on terrain crate haha...

Don't do it. Don't buy primaris marines!!! Sorry, back to my old stance . Now there are two of us on the one side, I'm easily persuaded . Keep building up the dark eldar. The primaris marines are going to steal the plot line from the game SLA industries and RG will flip a switch in a year or two and the primaris will turn on their chapters and rebuild imperium secondus. That's when then other primarchs will return as well.

Do both!

Dark Eldar are cool as well, and having two (or three - Nurgle!) will allow you some variety in your painting and modelling.

If you want the BRB, it's a no-brainer to get all of those models for only another $60. In a pinch, you can attempt to trade-off the Nurgle guys for more bigmarines.

Seriously though - just check out the stuff that Agis did. Again. With all your DA bits, that kind of kitbash is well within your grasp. Convert one of the Lieutenants to a Librarian if you must have one (I"m not personally fussed about having a Primaris Librarian, TBH).

Librarians are mostly meh and I've got 3x from DV anyway

I also have tyranids and a start collecting Tau

Those blood angels are cool. I do have plenty of DA bits, dunno about making robes but hood heads and iconography I'm set.

Hmm.. wonder if I could relic up my land speeder storm to make a dark shroud. I hear good things about the Azrael parking lot and surely adding -1 to be shot can't hurt...


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I could even take the included scouts and convert them to the cadian legs like my other set. Was wondering how to use those but I have plenty of spare cadian legs.

Yes, YES! Revel in the POWAH of the Dark Angels!

I think cleaning up all those DI boxes is getting to you Az

 GrimDork wrote:
I think cleaning up all those DI boxes is getting to you Az

Maybe it's the glue fumes

Well, I got a lot of reading to do to catch up to what you've been up to, but those terminators are stunning. Looking at this stuff makes me nostalgic for 40K, which I haven't really touched in 3 years!

Thanks! Nice to see you 'round again.

8e is here, good time to get back, rejoin the cult, drink the koolaid etc

On to the main topic for today... Narrowed it down a bit but... The dark eldar below, blackwash silver or green glaze? Impersonal metallic monster, or venomous vanquisher?

I like the green goblin wannabes. Especially when you get the hellions on their skyboards .

You guys almost had me pick up a DI box while at MM just now .

The black is nice but the green has more character I think.

We'll get you on the DI bandwagon soon muahahahahahahabaha. Or whatever. No dent ding cheap boxes? I'm probably gonna do amazon, I've got pointe there. Still need to finish or simply pay to ship some stuff from MM..

Green ones look cool.

Thanks, they're growing on me. Gonna have to think of some poisonous names now.

I think the green looks better too. Dark Eldar look best with sort of exotic and alien schemes I think.

Yar, they're suitably poisonous now. Vehicles will be easy as I'll just paint them silver and then glaze. Was thinking black before but now I think the armor color with black accents.

I'm still chipping away at two more Terminators, just time consuming. I've been slowly repairing and taking care of any minor update conversion work needed on my old DE. Got 5 scourge updated to be a lance team.

Early days yet, but I'm considering my Kulathi invaders for alternative mandrakes will I maybe someday get some of those.

Also thinking about using a few infinity models for my Archon's court. Combined army. Specculo killer for the lahmaean, morat or suryat for the big sslyth dude, and a pair of hungries for Ur-ghuls.

My guys are definitely Drukhari and not Corsairs, but I kinda want a pirate space raider vibe anyway so more diverse aliens.

Is a shame I missed out on death masques, woulda been a perfect harlequin force to splash in.

I've contemplated the DE before as well. I almost bought a box of scourges today at MM as I would use them in a necromunda game as yeld. But until true necromunda returns I can wait.

No idea what a yeld is. I have 10 classic. The new are awesome but I prob won't buy more.

I assume you are referring to some deficiency with SWA? I haven't looked into it nor did i play necro so I'm out of the loop.

 GrimDork wrote:
No idea what a yeld is. I have 10 classic. The new are awesome but I prob won't buy more.

I assume you are referring to some deficiency with SWA? I haven't looked into it nor did i play necro so I'm out of the loop.

The Yeld were the flying Spyer goons. I would just use the DE scourges and make them from a family that believes in chemical and genetic tampering in the nobility.

 Theophony wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
I think cleaning up all those DI boxes is getting to you Az

Maybe it's the glue fumes

It was a terrible text-impression of the Emperor. The Star Wars one. Youy know that "feel the POWAH of the Dark Side" bit, but with Dark Angels subbed instead of Dark Side. Yeah, you had to be here, I guess. Not that I did it out loud...

As for the Dark Eldar, I think green over gold works better. Keep the cold impersonal feel for a different army - the DE are all about emotion, anyway. Have you looked into Gangs of Commoragh? That's a damned good value "Start Collecting" there for the flying DE.

Ahhhh... Ok . That makes sense lol.

Yeah GoC is a pretty ridiculous value. Basically six free bikes or 15 free hellions. Or is it 10, I forget. Either way it's very solid. I could use the hellions but I'm not sure about the bikes. I have 9 already and they're kind of expensive points wise.

Boom, photo first so you don't get bored

Still WIP, but may be as far as I get today, nephew's got a birthday party and the kids love to go and play. The colors are blocked in, the eyes and sword are probably done.. good enough for Imperial work. Black needs highlight, white needs finished, so probably a light layer, wash, and picking out the edges again... and then some more washes on stuff like the ropes and purity seals. I got another teeny micron pen for the writing on the parchment, I'm lazy.

Also got the metal down on a scourge. Need to clean up the black, highlight the black, and then wash it green probably. Then I'll look into stuff like the hair, eyes, and any gems they snuck in "because eldar".

May push to get those first two done, I'd like to be able to say I have a full squad of terminators ready.. but ehh. No big deal.

Nice start to these guys .

Have fun at the birthday party, eat some cake for me .

Interesting theme! Wanna see them finished.

Turquoise marines looking good there Grim!

Thanks folks

Cake eaten, currently laying plans to distract children so I can finish those. Maybe an hour left. Just some touching up, scribbles on the seals, brown wash..seal and bases. May have em done tonight.

Then I need to decide if I wanna do a land raider or a couple of razorbacks and scouts or something. And also if I'd rather have Asmodai over Ezekiel, the former adds an extra attack ftw. And of course a Crusader or Redeemer would have enough capacity so that the loose char wouldn't have to hoof it...but classic raider has antitank compared to "yet moar bolters" or big flamethrowers that force the tank to beg death at the hands of melta.. so I dunno it's not perfect.

I mostly wanna knock out a Deathwing thing and then I'll probably expand into an Azreal/Primaris Lt/dark shroud dreadnought parking lot.

The blue-grey on the marines has really grown on me. Also, that DE looks tiny next to those termies.

The Termies are looking solid. I'm really looking forward to the updated, finished pics of them. If you;re interested in GoC, you may want to pull the trigger sooner rather than later as GW's boxed games don't seem to have a long shelf life. The game itself is supposed to be pretty good, too, from what I've seen and read.

Thanks guys, they're done and sealed, just gonna give it half an hour to set up before I base them.

Terminators are bigger than I used to give them credit for. I swear it was easier to paint those 10 marines...though they did have a lot of robe. I'm torn on the scourge, the new ones are wicked and cool but the old ones have a lot of their own charm.

Yeah GW box games selling out forever makes me sad. I'm really feeling the burn from that DW/harlequin set. I think I'd rather secure venoms first, eBay has a number of reasonably priced hellions from GoC if I end up *needing* them.

I have half a mind to paint up my war machine elf wizard killers as mandrakes or something. I think I'd have to sculpt some fire for them to be throwing though.

Woowoo, all done. 5 Angels Ascendant first company veterans. The AA are a PR sensitive chapter so they paint all their armor the same color like codex chapters. They totally still have the wings and pursue the fallen, they're just more subtle about it.

Not sure what to do next. Got 18 more terminators in the list but I vaguely need a break. Ghr minis are bigger than my standard and they're festooned with detail. But there isn't much left in the list beyond those.. We'll see. I wanna build towards a list but I also don't want to burn out, and any space marines that get done count as a win. Will contemplate.

I think I'm up to nearly 900 points of painted Angels Ascendant now, just guessing at some points.

They look great . I can just see them teleport in with the lightning crackling over their armor .

I say do a land raider over razorbacks, cause big and nasty.....unless your facing lasguns

They look spectacular bud. That is a great scheme you have going. As Theo said, it has a realistic vibe, can imagine them on a battlefield.

Yeah, finished Terminators look great there, Grim. You could always batch-paint the easiest parts of the next 18 Terminators piecemeal while working on something else (during drying times, etc) and then come back to them to finish them when you're in the mood.

Cheers guys

Ok so I'm cobbling some knights together from spare DA sprue terminators. I have shields except for the leader but i think an old chaos tower shield with Gubbins would do. I was planning to use bigass grey knight swords instead of maces since my guys have kind of a sword theme but how do I differentiate the leader's flail? Different sword? I have a selection of clear maces and such from bones 3 I could use over the swords...or maybe a clear sword from there to be a not-flail?

So basically do I try to replicate the gear on the official guys, or do I give out big honkin swards to all?

I like the sword concept instead of maces. Maybe add greenstuff flames to the leader sword.

Finished Termies look great!, likey the new ones being worked on.

Those Terminators are looking good. As for the new guys, swords for everybody.

There's no real way to do a 2-handed sword on a Terminator short of buying conversion bits from Anvil or the like, is there?

You could go all Anime on it and give him a giant oversized sword , or Star Wars it up with a double sword where there is sword on either side of the pommel like Dart Maul . Or go full AoS and put his sword at the end of chains .

What about a large sword (or halberd) with flail-chains attached to the head?

I have a big see through sward from reaper bones 3 that is angel themed, matching shield. Pics for consideration later.

 GrimDork wrote:
I have a big see through sward from reaper bones 3 that is angel themed, matching shield. Pics for consideration later.

Bonus points for using "Sward".

Paint then in some kind of translucent glowy.

May just see about getting another regular shield, dunno.


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Hmm yeah. A couple of my preferred bit sellers have the deathwing command squad pieced out. Just need to decide if the captain needs one different looking shield or if I want five matching shields for the knights and then use the four I currently have as extra arms in case I want to sneak a shield into the shooty squads. They've also got some arms I need. Either a left handed storm bolter to go with my custom narthecium, or a proper DW command apothecary bit and another right hand storm bolter.

Kinda wouldn't mind having a few extra storm shields honestly... a couple of the characters can take them as an option and you can always mix them into regular DWT squads to try and block TEQ-killers. May even have a thunderhammer or two laying around to go with them.

May just queue up a bits order sometime. I want some dark eldar stuff to update my guys anyway so I can just order a bunch of lots and save shipping.



Also considering to drop the land raider for something like three razorbacks, trade the psyker named character for the chaplain dude, and maybe possibly change 5 terminators into 5 company veterans to ride up with Asmodai (chaplain..i think?). The question is to load up on double chainswords for something like 5 attacks a model( 2+1 per sword +1 from Asmodai's aura) or to get a smattering of storm shields and power weapons since they're relatively cheap now.. maybe 9 points a guy, 45 if the entire squad took them. Or maybe some kind of mix... thunderhammer for the leader, two power weapons, and a couple of storm shields and chain swords. Dunno. I mean I love magnets so its not a big deal but I do like to have an idea work from.

Anyway even with shields and power weapons they'd top out at 25 points each so 125, half the terminator squad they'd re replacing. I suppose I could take another such unit.... hmm. It's not enough points for another dreadnought... Hmmm... can't decide.

Gotta say I miss not sold on that sword or shield. I think they look too dainty for giant armored space monks.

Hope your staying cool in these 100+ degree days.

The sword is as tall as he is and the hilt decoration is as big as his head. That's dainty?

The shield I'm gonna pass on though, I don't love it either for this.

 GrimDork wrote:
The sword is as tall as he is and the hilt decoration is as big as his head. That's dainty?

The shield I'm gonna pass on though, I don't love it either for this.

But it's so pretty and ornate and not so fierce looking. after a second look it's probably workable, especially if you can hit it with an ink wash to make it glowey like a light saber .

Yeah kinda spectral. The flail in 8e pushes overkill damage onto another model so I want something that looks like it'll take out multiple mooks.

Neat terrain project coming up, watch this space!

Had a game of pulp alley. Unless neither of us can win the next two missions (triggering replays), those are the last two missions in our campaign. Presumably TNT next so I'll have to get on it.

Penultimate scenario involves floating boulders so I'm on that.

Also, managed to find 10 chainswords for Asmodai's company veteran bodyguard, should be amusing to see them put out 26 attacks.

Well they certainly wont be sneaking about with that lot reving up. And floating boulders sounds interesting.

Enemy of treehuggers everywhere.

Rrrriiiinnndiddlydiddlydiddly!

Trying expanding foam for the structure of the rocks, may request assistance on texturing if I don't come up with something.

I will have to texture them, but this is the basic layout I'm considering for the floating rocks.

A good thick coat of PVA then some crinkled up tin foil, then a coat of PVA.

Hadn't considered foil. Was thinking about plaster cloth and spackle like my jungle hills but foil sounds like a contender.

Everything is glued, just needs surfacing and stuff like foliage. Especially vines and roots to obscure the nails. Oh and some texture on the bases to look like the rocks lifted up.

You definitely need some sort of prime coat if you do foil. Paint won't adhere very well. Maybe a Rustoleum primer would work to give you a paintable surface.

Can they do that? Equip with so many chainswords? I'm being a bit ...careful/conservative with builds from armies that are about to have new codices, because who knows what might change between now and the next month or three?

Floating bounders look interesting.

Az, a few units can. Company veterans definitely have options that allow for one in each hand and there was a FAQ answer confirming that two chainswords = 2 extra attacks.

I do have my own reservations about that option surviving our codex drop, but nearly all of my marine arms are magnetized at this point anyway. Double chainsword vets probably aren't as useful as, say, maxed out Combi plasma vets podding in...but I have points in my initial list to take the cheap melee option as a guard for Asmodai.