In short: Harry (and an anonymous source from faeit212) is convinced that we see a new edition of Boodbowl this year, in the secret box slot in autumn, 25 years after 2nd edition. Includes:

Human Team
Ork team
Elf Team
Chaos All Stars
All individually sculpted.
Cardboard pitch
Rules mostly unchanged. Normal team vs. team rules plus scenario with end fight against Chaos All Stars.

Harry wrote:Rumours of a new edition of Blood Bowl. (This deserves its own thread)

I posted this lot in July last year .... seems I got a bit ahead of myself. Over excited.

As this year is the 25th anniversay of Blood Bowl 2nd edition (The one with the astrogranite pitch) I am confident this is happening this time.

I first heard about this in 2007.
At the time I was writing articles for The watchman and this is what I said in a rumours article:

Blood Bowl was first released in 1987 That would make this year its 20th Anniversary (if my dates/maths are correct!) There were a lot of updates to the ‘living rulebook’ (online). I think this activity may have been due to the intended re-release of Blood Bowl this year although I can not say this for certain (but I can’t see Games Workshop waiting 5 years until the 25th anniversary).
This is just a hunch. (For those that don’t know me from Warseer my hunches are wrong most of the time!)
Aly Morrison and Mark Bedford have been working on new teams for some of the races with all individual players like the new Human team. And I think a number of these are completed and ready to go.

So it would seem I was wrong about them waiting another 5 years then.

I later found out I was also wrong about the teams being completed.
They were only 'planned' at this time.

But it seems like this is happening now:

75hastings69 has posted to say Blood Bowl is coming next year so that will be in 2012 for the 25th anniversary.

He also said this:

75hastings69 wrote: So four teams of completely individual minis and a spammy new pitch wouldn't interest you?

As for rules why try and fix what isn't broken?
For those who don't know Hastings rumours are 99% fact.

So all we know so far is four nice new plastic teams, a new pitch and not much change to the rules.

Exactly what the four teams are has not been posted.
If the pitch is card, "astrogranite", plastic or cloth like the new Dread fleet also remains a mystery.

EDIT: Additional clarification/speculation from hastings

"The original rumours I heard on this suggested only two teams of individual models in the box - orcs & humans, it's only later mutterings I've heard that suggest there might be four teams."

I love Blood Bowl so have only one more thing to say ....

BRING IT ON!

UPDATE:
I said this in the last thread:

"Space Hulk was in 2009 ....
... Dread Fleet is in 2011 ....
I am not expecting the next NEW, LIMITED big box game until 2013

My understanding is that Blood Bowl is something different".

Now as it did not come last year .... and IS coming this year ... I am now thinking it will be the next LIMITED big Box game.

I have also heard from one source that he heard from someone else that someone they know had seen the CAD for a plastic pitch.
(So a really solid rumour! ) but I am imagining a cross between the astrogranite pitch and the battle board.

Finally I can confirm what hastings told us last year that two of the teams are Orcs and Humans.
But Like hastings I have also heard that there are four teams in the box.

I hear the story is that the four teams are the ones to make it to the play-offs for a specific cup/competition.

Today:

75hastings69 wrote: I love blood bowl too.... especially now my willy miniatures Chaos BB team is on its way!!

Originally I was told....

Cardboard pitch (high production quality style)
Orc Team (all individual sculpts)
Human Team (again all individual sculpts)

Then I was told.....

Also Elf Team (individual sculpts)
Chaos All-Stars team (once more all individual sculpts)
And that the game would play out as a run up to final sort of scenario/mini league with the end game being vs chaos all stars for the cup, and that the game also had rules for just "straight vs play" instead of the campaign.

However.... I was then told....

"It's not happening" due in the most part to the retail failure of Dreadfleet.

So if this is indeed "back on" I have three words for you.......

BRING. IT. ON

anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:I have it on good Authority that Codex Space Marines will be the June release this year. Eldar will follow them. There is also a "Mystery Box" slated for September/October (ala Space hulk). GW have 2 which they have waiting in the wings, Blood Bowl and Warhammer Quest but no idea which it will be at this time.

Warhammer wise, I was told what was coming out and in which order, but to be honest I forget as I dont play the game. But I do know that Lizardmen and High Elves are this year.

Please let it be bloodbowl. That would rock so much!!

Heck, the big rumor buried at the bottom here is at least as exciting - Space Marines as the next codex after Tau?

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
Heck, the big rumor buried at the bottom here is at least as exciting - Space Marines as the next codex after Tau?

And Eldar after Space Marines!

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
Heck, the big rumor buried at the bottom here is at least as exciting - Space Marines as the next codex after Tau?

Harry and Hastings still say: First Eldar, then Space Marines, but I posted this part also in 40k release schedule rumours:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/515787.page

Dreadfleet flopped because it wasn't a reboot I think.

Blood Bowl would sell INSANELY well. I for one would get it. I know 2-3 friends who don't play tabletop games who would go into a games workshop store and buy a box of Blood Bowl if this rumour is true.

I pray to Gork, Mork, Sigmar, the lady of the lake, Khorne, Nurgle.. everyone that it is a new version of Blood Bowl

Hopefully the box set is something other then Humans and Orcs. Maybe High Elves and Lizards would be cool!!

Let's hope this box isn't limited. But given GW management, they produce 500 boxes and celebrate if they sell out in two minutes.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Hopefully the box set is something other then Humans and Orcs. Maybe High Elves and Lizards would be cool!!

If you have read the full text, you would know, it's humans, Orcs, Elves and Chaos, all individually sculpted.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Hopefully the box set is something other then Humans and Orcs. Maybe High Elves and Lizards would be cool!!

Skaven! They play unlike other teams.

I'm guessing these will be finecast then? Also limited edition... yeah I'll pass.

I doubt they would put finecast in a box like this. Probably limited edition though.

the only problem is that GW won't support it. as a long time BB player, it's more like a cookie. 4 new team sculpts, yay, but what about additional teams? league support? etc.

Hoping this is so. Just got my brother in law hooked on bloodbowl, been playing every weekend. As long as the figs are good, then I'll be all over this. Probably two sets.

As long as you can use other teams than the 4 in the box, it will get people playing again, which is sweet.

 RiTides wrote:
As long as you can use other teams than the 4 in the box, it will get people playing again, which is sweet.

I dunno. I don't think GW would want to make it that easy for people to get old teams from eBay.

Yep, I'll play.

Seems odd to have a campaign though. Hope the Chaos All Stars aren't a hard to beat end of level boss type team. I'd prefer four equal teams with different abilities.

GW will support it. With Dreadball catching on, they'll try to crush it, and THEN they'll stop supporting it once there is no competition.

Oddly enough, it'll only probably help Dreadball as it is an EXTREMELY different game, with a different play style. Considering this sort fantastic ultra violent sports game is my favorite type of game, I'm glad it was options and variety on the market, and I will be playing both!!

Oh thank god for no lizardmen team, my wallet is gonna have it bad enough with the new Tau here and even Lizardmen coming up already.

I find it extremely unlikely GW would acknowledge the existence of specialist games.

Yep, will be buying this.

If they did support it, I would have thought 6 teams would be sufficient to cover all playing styles.

Human - All Rounders
Elves - Skilled but fragile
Orcs - Tough, reasonably mobile but not that skilled
Chaos - Tough, but slow
Skaven - Uber fast but fragile
Dwarfs - Uber Tough but slow

Go on the games workshop website. They still support Blood Bowl. You can still buy the boxed game AND numerous teams and characters..



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I cant see any reason to moan about this I dont know why people are. A new box for a niche/cult game that deserves to have new life breathed, which GW STILL stock, is a good thing IMO.


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 Harriticus wrote:
I find it extremely unlikely GW would acknowledge the existence of specialist games.

They have a specialist section on the website.

Earth Dragon wrote:
GW will support it. With Dreadball catching on, they'll try to crush it, and THEN they'll stop supporting it once there is no competition.

Oddly enough, it'll only probably help Dreadball as it is an EXTREMELY different game, with a different play style. Considering this sort fantastic ultra violent sports game is my favorite type of game, I'm glad it was options and variety on the market, and I will be playing both!!

And since Dreadball has just launched a cut-down starter set with 2 teams for £30, I think it's going to take some beating on price.

I'm very interested in a new Blood Bowl and will certainly be waiting for the official launch to try and get one ordered before they sell out. Unless the figures are finecast or the price is too severe. If it's including a plastic pitch and 4 individually sculpted teams I'm expecting this to be a pretty pricey kit, like £80. Are there any price rumours?


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chuxfm wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
I find it extremely unlikely GW would acknowledge the existence of specialist games.

They have a specialist section on the website.

Yup that's true, but it's never mentioned in store or the website or magazine, it just exists un-touched so unless you knew it existed you'd never know anything about it. It should be prominent enough to attract curious browsers but thats all.

I dont see them putting it out any higher than 70 pounds. TOPS. I think it'll probably be around the same price as the 40k/fantasy starter boxes? probably same ammount of minis in it except previous versions of blood bowl didnt have the same high gloss rule book. you got a flimsy few page booklet from what I can remember (prove me wrong if not).

Considering the amount of stuff they throw into their main games for $100, I really don't see how 4 teams or 12 or so models would blast the price past $100. You get more then 48 guys in their Fantasy Starter set

Earth Dragon wrote:
Considering the amount of stuff they throw into their main games for $100, I really don't see how 4 teams or 12 or so models would blast the price past $100. You get more then 48 guys in their Fantasy Starter set

Individual sculpts makes things trickier

I'm very interested to know what the pitch will look like if they do release this.

Interesting.

chuxfm wrote:
I'm very interested to know what the pitch will look like if they do release this.

Expect skulls

 Flashman wrote:

Expect skulls

And wonky models? haha


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On a related topic if anyone can't wait for a new Blood Bowl fix. I bought the Blood Bowl team manager card game from fantasy flight games the other day. It's great fun and works for 2-4 players really well. Simple yet strategic.

I wonder if the Chaos all-star team will have minotaur, ogre and troll models you can also use as star players?

Count me in to buy one of those! I only found out about bloodbowl because of the PC game and a friend of mine got so hooked, we are playing tabletop Bloodbowl pretty much every Saturday.

Actually, I think both of us would buy one of those boxes!

Edit: the only problem I see is a lack of dwarves and Khemri.

darrkespur wrote:
I wonder if the Chaos all-star team will have minotaur, ogre and troll models you can also use as star players?

Chaos dwarves had a minotaur and centaur (I had both models way back when)

Fantastic.

I will buy it if this is true!

I see the GW Bloodbowl box as a special, but not essential for keeping this game alive.
GW's sueing half the fan-websites couldn't stop a whole scene of high-quality non-GW products suitable for Bloodbowl games, esp. if the rules stay mostly the same. Here some spotlights:



















More here:
http://www.impactminiatures.com/
http://www.comixininos.com/
http://www.ff-fields.com/standard-fields/

Thread on non-GW Fantasy Football products: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/400021.page

chuxfm wrote:
Go on the games workshop website. They still support Blood Bowl. You can still buy the boxed game AND numerous teams and characters..

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I cant see any reason to moan about this I dont know why people are. A new box for a niche/cult game that deserves to have new life breathed, which GW STILL stock, is a good thing IMO.

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 Harriticus wrote:
I find it extremely unlikely GW would acknowledge the existence of specialist games.

They have a specialist section on the website.

You must not have been into GW before the last few years. They certainly do sell the product, but that's it.

GW used to have a massive online worldwide community of Blood Bowl players, with official tournaments and leagues, with monthly support, monthly magazine, an official living rulebook, new test rules, new teams, new players, annual published updates. It was amazing - the glory days of Blood Bowl. What exists now is almost a mockery of what they used to do.

That's why I feel a standalone box game limited release is almost a slap in the face. They will release it as a cash grab, but they will not support it, especially as it'll probably be a limited edition and sell out just like Space Hulk did -- another game that used to be supported with multiple expansions, new rules, new scenarios in White Dwarf; now relegated to a limited box release and then no support.

I'm interested.

But I don't know if I'll buy it.

 kronk wrote:
I'm interested.

But I don't know if I'll buy it.

I'm in the same boat. I love Blood Bowl but I already have my teams, coaches, star players, cheerleaders, and fans. I already know the 3rd edition/living rules by heart.
I'm very nervous that the rules will be some sort of simplified game-in-a-box style system. In which case I will ignore those (as will the rest of the worldwide BB community), so I'm looking at maybe a new pitch (assuming the same dimensions, very important!) and some cool plastic figs but for teams I don't play.

And I have too many games that don't get any attention as it is.

While a supported game would be great, I have no great complaint with a standalone release, especially if there's four teams in the box with sufficiently different play styles.

I envisage a pick up and play type game where you can play with your favourite team or challenge yourself with one you struggle with.

Chess never gets any support, but I play that all the time.

Bloodbowl is cool and all, but I can't help wonder what amazing things they could do with a Necromunda release using today's plastic technology...

Guys......I can't stress enough to give company's that are making games in the same genre a go. If you played Mantic's specialty games, or Infinity, or whatever other skirmish games you see, GW will go back to supporting those games.

Don't just complain about your lazy girl friend who just yells at you. Start working out and flirting with other chicks, and if she doesn't get her act together, can her ass.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Don't just complain about your lazy girl friend who just yells at you. Start working out and flirting with other chicks, and if she doesn't get her act together, can her ass.

I always love how girlfriends are used as a metaphor for GW.

GW has no obligation to support a game with official tournaments/supplements. The reason they probably stopped in the first was a decline in interest.

There are still leagues and tournaments for the game even now and I don't think you can hammer GW for throwing an air freshener into a musty old room.

It's just en vogue to blast GW for anything that they do nowadays even if it is making a limited release for a game that people know and love.

chuxfm wrote:
GW has no obligation to support a game with official tournaments/supplements. The reason they probably stopped in the first was a decline in interest.

There are still leagues and tournaments for the game even now and I don't think you can hammer GW for throwing an air freshener into a musty old room.

It's just en vogue to blast GW for anything that they do nowadays even if it is making a limited release for a game that people know and love.

You definitely are new to GW. They didn't stop due to a decline in interest, they stopped due to a corporate decision to pretend the internet doesn't exist. To be fair, when overnight GW shut down all specialist support and sent their lawyers to every single fansite (and even boardgamegeek) with cease-and-desist takedown notices, that's kinda when it became vogue to blast GW for being gakky to the specialist games community.

A community that didn't just disappear (though we should have all stopped after that nonsense). See, the room isn't musty, at all. GW has ignored their own specialist games for so long that everyone else has been supporting them, and Blood Bowl (and Epic) are the big ones.

Will GW release a new Blood Bowl? Probably, they need a quick cash grab after the last few quarters, just like they've been dropping licenses left and right. Will it use the living rulebook, the same field dimensions, templates, team stats, etc? Probably not - it'll probably resemble Blood Bowl as much as Dreadfleet resembled Man O War. Will it be limited? Yup, Will it be supported after one release? Probably not.

Prove me wrong, GW - release a new updated Blood Bowl written by Jervis Johnson after months of playtesting with the big Blood Bowl leagues, with rules refinements written in the living rulebook, with great new sculpts and at least quarterly product releases. PLEASE prove me wrong. It's one of GW's greatest games and the worldwide BB community has had a half-dozen years of poor treatment by GW. BB leagues around the world have been converting to Dreadball in droves - this is a shining opportunity to make Blood Bowl a supported game again and bring it back into the spotlight. That remains to be seen, but does anyone have any actual hope it being more than a quick cash grab?

chuxfm wrote:
GW has no obligation to support a game with official tournaments/supplements. The reason they probably stopped in the first was a decline in interest.

There are still leagues and tournaments for the game even now and I don't think you can hammer GW for throwing an air freshener into a musty old room.

It's just en vogue to blast GW for anything that they do nowadays even if it is making a limited release for a game that people know and love.

You're right. they have no obligation. But they have a magazine that could have scenarios, new teams, and variant settings for the specialty games. If they did it right, most of the sculpts/figures could also double-up with their other games (blood bowl is the only one that couldn't match up). It seems like they could manage it a little better. Is it easier to get into a game with your gaming group for $40 or for $100+? Specialty games offer a cheaper option to get people into hobby gaming before they go for the mega army games.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Considering the amount of stuff they throw into their main games for $100, I really don't see how 4 teams or 12 or so models would blast the price past $100. You get more then 48 guys in their Fantasy Starter set

Two words:


Limited
Edition

@insaniak - You could be right....

I will refuse to buy one if it is more then $100 (unless I buy one and resell later. that I might do, but it won't get opened)

Well those rumours would make me very happy indeed. The final four of a tournament sounds a like an excellent compromise actually, much better than the feared Order vs Destruction teams I thought we might end up with.

Would need to see them before I know if I would be after more than one box, individuality through out the four teams would be great, but It seems pointless to pick them up if say the Human team is the Riekland Reavers and Zug, Griff etc are plainly the main players.

Going on the rumour along with the Chaos All Stars I'd guess.. Riekland Reavers, The Gouged Eye and the Elfheim Eagles?

Orkland Raiders maybe

I bought 3rd edition blood bowl when it came out. I'm not new to games workshop ive been playing GW games on and off for over a decade.

Yes white Dwarf used to be better. But still if Blood Bowl still sold when right through the 00's they would continue to support it with articles and new mini's. It didn't continue to sell in volumes so they kept it in its current state for anyone who still enjoys it to be able to play. Fan run leagues still it alive along among a hardcore group.

chuxfm wrote:
I bought 3rd edition blood bowl when it came out. I'm not new to games workshop ive been playing GW games on and off for over a decade.

Yes white Dwarf used to be better. But still if Blood Bowl still sold when right through the 00's they would continue to support it with articles and new mini's. It didn't continue to sell in volumes so they kept it in its current state for anyone who still enjoys it to be able to play. Fan run leagues still it alive along among a hardcore group.

My question is how were so many fan sights able to offer product for the game and gamesworkshop had to go out and sue them while they claim they can't make a profit? Either let it die and let the fans do what they want or support the freakin' game. GW wants it both ways and THAT'S what is annoying about the way they do business.

Support it, or let us support your specialty games ourselves

Earth Dragon wrote:
Orkland Raiders maybe

Its possible, although I can't see them having a team focused around Grishnak, when it could be Varag.

Earth Dragon wrote:
My question is how were so many fan sights able to offer product for the game and gamesworkshop had to go out and sue them while they claim they can't make a profit? Either let it die and let the fans do what they want or support the freakin' game. GW wants it both ways and THAT'S what is annoying about the way they do business.

Support it, or let us support your specialty games ourselves

Thats fair enough. All in all I just hope the box gets released it'll be a blast.

I'll pass on BB. Bring back SC or necromunda or inquisitor.

 Flashman wrote:
While a supported game would be great, I have no great complaint with a standalone release, especially if there's four teams in the box with sufficiently different play styles.

I envisage a pick up and play type game where you can play with your favourite team or challenge yourself with one you struggle with.

Chess never gets any support, but I play that all the time.

Alessio just released some expansions for chess.

If this is released, I'll buy it. I'd prefer Warhammer Quest, since I don't have that while I have piles of BB stuff, but I'll buy it nonetheless.

I’d much prefer a re-done Quest – imagine what they could do with current plastic technology? It’d be glorious – but I’d happily take a new BB box with four included teams, new pitch and all that stuff.

Might give me a reason to get out my Orcs and Lizardmen teams. Or my Goblins. Or my model-deficient Humans.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I’d much prefer a re-done Quest – imagine what they could do with current plastic technology? It’d be glorious

Totally.

I'd love that, an adventure board game like that, that I can have on the coffee table and play with friends after dinner for a couple of hours. That would be idea.

I really just wish they'd turn it over to FFG or someone to produce so they can do several expansions of dungeon tiles and adventures. Perhaps just do it with cut out counters and give people the chance to replace them with minis to paint up if they want. I'd certainly splurge for the game and new minis.

I'd LOVE a redone Warhammer Quest. As long as they fix the d6 magic points/wandering monster mechanic. I've spent too many hours fighting through literally dozens of wandering monsters jammed tightly into corridors due to a few bad rolls...

I can't wait to add some new teams to Dreadball.

SC and quest would be cool. I bought a "complete" space crusade off ebay about 5 years ago. Tons of models broken and one of the rule books was in fact an anakin skywalker colouring book. I got bad feedback after that for complaining haha. oh ebay....

But that was half the fun. I’ve had entire games where a significant chunk of the play time was spent in one corridor fighting off endless waves and enduring dangerous traps because of cascading event cards. Difficult to come out alive, but so much fun!

Dear new blood bowl special edition box set,

I love you, and have always wanted you in my arms. Have my wallet.

XOXO,

Max

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

I'd love that, an adventure board game like that, that I can have on the coffee table and play with friends after dinner for a couple of hours. That would be idea.

I really just wish they'd turn it over to FFG or someone to produce so they can do several expansions of dungeon tiles and adventures. Perhaps just do it with cut out counters and give people the chance to replace them with minis to paint up if they want. I'd certainly splurge for the game and new minis.

Unfortunately there's some thing in FFG's contract with GW that apparently says that none of their licensed games can have miniatures in them. Maybe that applies only to games set in the Warhammer IP worlds given Talisman's existence? The point of it being that they don't want FFG to become a cheap and plentiful source of alt-warhammer models.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I can't wait to add some new teams to Dreadball.

I kind of agree, and even though it sounds ridiculous and no doubt a little bit heretical, I would rather see them try something new like Dreadfleet again.

I've played Bloodbowl hundreds of times, too much perhaps, and it is a really fun game. Some of the models and teams for it were great, but whatever they do with it is going to have the problem of either treading the same road again and therefore just being more of the same, or being apocryphal and altering what many see as some kind of sacrosanct gaming system.

Space Hulk succeeded I think because it had been out of circulation for longer, and was a great concept that really benefited from a new model range (and partly I think because the 2nd edition hadn't been as good). On the other hand Blood Bowl doesn't really feel like it has ever left circulation.

 Pacific wrote:
Blood Bowl doesn't really feel like it has ever left circulation.

Maybe because it hasn't

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1140161

Why do I somehow expect the starter to be 300$?

I want both, a new BloodBowl and a new Warhammer Quest/HeroQuest, so I don't care much wich one of them is being developed. If it's well done, I'll be in most likely.

chuxfm wrote:
I dont see them putting it out any higher than 70 pounds. TOPS. I think it'll probably be around the same price as the 40k/fantasy starter boxes? probably same ammount of minis in it except previous versions of blood bowl didnt have the same high gloss rule book. you got a flimsy few page booklet from what I can remember (prove me wrong if not).

I don't think anyone expected The Hobbit box or Dreadfleet set to cost more than the 40K/Fantasy starter boxes, but they surpassed them spectacularly.

Considering the original one is still for sale at £51.25 with 2 teams and a card pitch, a limited edition, 2 extra teams and a plastic pitch will all drive the price up, I'm really not expecting it to be less than £70.

GW *knows* people want it. There is no way they will price it for less than 120€.

Astrogranite or GTFO.

I'd give my left nut, just for the opportunity to exchange my right nut for a well-done new Bloodbowl

 judgedoug wrote:
I'm in the same boat. I love Blood Bowl but I already have my teams, coaches, star players, cheerleaders, and fans. I already know the 3rd edition/living rules by heart.
I'm very nervous that the rules will be some sort of simplified game-in-a-box style system. In which case I will ignore those (as will the rest of the worldwide BB community), so I'm looking at maybe a new pitch (assuming the same dimensions, very important!) and some cool plastic figs but for teams I don't play.

Why are you on 3rd Ed? 5th was a massive evolution from there, and the current "competition rules" are essentially LRB6. The computer game uses LRB6.

I am as nervous as you that if GW do this, then it will be with rules changes and the wrong size board. If they do it, they must must must make it backwards compatible and keep it in sync with the computer game... Mind you, I suddenly got nervous that there are rumours of a Blood Bowl 2 computer game... Ah gak, what if they re-release both at once and feth them both up? Ah man...

Earth Dragon wrote:
Orkland Raiders maybe

You mean Orcland.

chuxfm wrote:
I bought 3rd edition blood bowl when it came out. I'm not new to games workshop ive been playing GW games on and off for over a decade.

Yes white Dwarf used to be better. But still if Blood Bowl still sold when right through the 00's they would continue to support it with articles and new mini's. It didn't continue to sell in volumes so they kept it in its current state for anyone who still enjoys it to be able to play. Fan run leagues still it alive along among a hardcore group.

It is more than a hardcore group. And there is also a massive online community. I think France and Australia have bigger scenes than the UK.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
Orkland Raiders maybe

Its possible, although I can't see them having a team focused around Grishnak, when it could be Varag.

Somehow Goblinthrottler always seemed a more romantic name than Ghoulchewer. (I mean that in the literary sense of the word, not the relationship sense). Unless you mean Varag Goug'Liver, my killy Black Orc from my UKBBL team?

 Breotan wrote:
Astrogranite or GTFO.

This ^

But to make it Astrogranite fit into the box without shrinking the squares from 29mm to 25mm again, they'd have to quarter the pitch rather than thirding it, and that would mean hard plastic, not expanded polystyrene.

Hmm, I don't know guys. We have been hearing this for the last few years that its coming.....hopefully this is true and will buy it even though I've only played the PC version which was ok but never as fun as moving models around.

I've been eyeing off an old copy of BB at my local but never put the 120 down for it....might have to now

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I’d much prefer a re-done Quest – imagine what they could do with current plastic technology? It’d be glorious

Imagine GW releasing the perfect introductory game, imagine GW pricing it decently, then imagine GW producing it as a limited run of 500 boxes only and proud GW managers claiming it sold out in under 2 minutes

 Fifty wrote:
I'd give my left nut, just for the opportunity to exchange my right nut for a well-done new Bloodbowl

 judgedoug wrote:
I'm in the same boat. I love Blood Bowl but I already have my teams, coaches, star players, cheerleaders, and fans. I already know the 3rd edition/living rules by heart.
I'm very nervous that the rules will be some sort of simplified game-in-a-box style system. In which case I will ignore those (as will the rest of the worldwide BB community), so I'm looking at maybe a new pitch (assuming the same dimensions, very important!) and some cool plastic figs but for teams I don't play.

Why are you on 3rd Ed? 5th was a massive evolution from there, and the current "competition rules" are essentially LRB6. The computer game uses LRB6.

Sorry, because it's all 3rd edition since 1994. The "4th edition" pdf in 2001 was fine, as are the LRB's, but they're all based on 3rd edition, so I've continued to call all iterations of BB since 1994, "3rd edition". That's why above I said "3rd edition/living rules", because, it's all modifications to 3rd edition.

If it is BB,i will definitely get a box.Loved that game,should never have sold it back in the day.

If it happens it will be LE,

and because it comes out all other BB stuff will be removed from sale (even via direct), so maybe not what fans should be hopeing for

 Azazelx wrote:

Unfortunately there's some thing in FFG's contract with GW that apparently says that none of their licensed games can have miniatures in them. Maybe that applies only to games set in the Warhammer IP worlds given Talisman's existence? The point of it being that they don't want FFG to become a cheap and plentiful source of alt-warhammer models.

Some FFG Warhammer games have miniatures - Chaos in the Old World, for example. But they're not 28mm scale.

Backfire wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Unfortunately there's some thing in FFG's contract with GW that apparently says that none of their licensed games can have miniatures in them. Maybe that applies only to games set in the Warhammer IP worlds given Talisman's existence? The point of it being that they don't want FFG to become a cheap and plentiful source of alt-warhammer models.

Some FFG Warhammer games have miniatures - Chaos in the Old World, for example. But they're not 28mm scale.

The no models GW thing only affects GW games made by FFG. The GW based games with "miniatures" are bust, with the the bottom a blob or stand like design.

Or they're just game pieces of simple representations (like the tanks and infantry in Horus Heresy), rather than actual miniatures.

I'd be interested in this, if it isn't limited edition.

Yeah,
BloodBowl I'll take 2 copies.
WHQ I'll take 1... Plus every expansion.

Panic...

 Fifty wrote:
I'd give my left nut, just for the opportunity to exchange my right nut for a well-done new Bloodbowl

So... no more Warmachine then?

Honestly I'd be thrilled if it was either WHQ or BB. Both games are tremendous fun. It will be LE, which is a shame (not to mention stupid) as both are also great gateways to their more flagship games.

 Ozymandias wrote:
Honestly I'd be thrilled if it was either WHQ or BB. Both games are tremendous fun. It will be LE, which is a shame (not to mention stupid) as both are also great gateways to their more flagship games.

I dunno, BB is a supported game. It would seem silly to have LE starter box for game where everything else is not LE. Blood Bowl needs a starter box anyway, and I don't think old box will be retained if new one comes along.

I'd totally get this, which is probably unwise since it's as fun as playing an excel spreadsheet.

But I'd still buy it.

Man I would LOVE to get a new BloodBowl set!!

My cardboard pitch has a few too many beer spills on it and warpage....

I agree with the guys, PLEASE SUPPORT THE GAME IF YOU ARE GOING TO RELEASE IT!!!

Hearing this, just gives me a bad feeling. I'd love to hear GW's spin on why we should buy what they now give us for free.

Any form of BB starter is gonna push $130. If you just want the rulebook? Well, its gonna be a hardback and run you $50, and it will just be all the old artwork and fan filler cut and pasted. Then there will be a new wave of Lawyer attacks on BB fan sites.

There's very little wrong with BB now. Some of the skills are a bit clunky and need tweaking, and there's a few rules people try and take advantage of <cough><cough>clawpomb. Its a real pipedream if anyone thinks we would get anything new out of this. Its GW! Teams would be 10 for $50 (you need 12 to play) and if anything the rules would be dumb down and they would just exchange rule mechanics for a d6 roll.

I say this and I play BB. I'm not a hater, just a long time GW user. Hopefully, GW will just stick to BB computer games, and leave BB as supported as it is.

I imagine GW will release Blood Bowl, now set in the 40K universe, and then start litigation against Mantic for producing Dread Ball, which obiviously is a rip off of GW product

They're not going to sell the rulebook separately.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not going to sell the rulebook separately.

The last Specialist Game that GW "redid" was just a Rulebook. Wasn't Necromunda the last try? (Aside from Dread Fleet). You know, I'm just gonna go into Overwatch mode and "wait and see" before I saw blasting stuff. Maybe GW is capable of something good. The new 40k Starter models were impressive...

then I saw the new Chaos marine stuff

I apologize if my prior post was rather harsh, I've just dealt with GW for too long not to be skeptical about anything they plan.

yeah,

 adamsouza wrote:
I imagine GW will release Blood Bowl, now set in the 40K universe, and then start litigation against Mantic for producing Dread Ball, which obiviously is a rip off of GW product

Yes, ^This^ +1
I Agree! Dreadball is totally original material. No ones ever done a future sport with a metal ball before.
I mean you'd be foolish to suggest that Mantic copied bloodbowl and just put it in space!?
It's a totally new type of game that has it's own very unique cover art and everything.

oh wait...


I hope that it is bloodbowl and that it's not limited edition.
But if it is limited that doesn't matter as long as the rule book appears as a PDF online and the original set is still for sale.
And If GW does manage to mess up the rules I'll just revert to LRB5/CRB.

I'm very excited by the rumours of a new plastic board, Imagine realm of battle board size tiles and you get two of them to make the pitch!

Panic...

I don't see the pint in releasing bloodbowl. It's still available on the website! Would a limited release remove the original game from the website? Causing problems for whoever would want to pick up the game? If its a stand alone tournament, that doesnt remove the original game, with all the rules to breath some life into their specialist games. Then great!
Warhammer/hero quest would be better as neither a available through the gw website.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 adamsouza wrote:
I imagine GW will release Blood Bowl, now set in the 40K universe, and then start litigation against Mantic for producing Dread Ball, which obiviously is a rip off of GW product

Yes, ^This^ +1
I Agree! Dreadball is totally original material. No ones ever done a future sport with a metal ball before.
I mean you'd be foolish to suggest that Mantic copied bloodbowl and just put it in space!?
It's a totally new type of game that has it's own very unique cover art and everything.

oh wait...

Spoiler:

Blue Armoured Space Human vs Red Armoured space Orc... . . . . ...Blue Human vs Red Orc

I'll give you that, but you missed this


My comment had more to do with GW vs. Chapterhouse Lawsuit where GW is attempting to retroactively edit the past to meet their current agenda.

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I would buy an updated Version of Bloodbowl if it were compatible with the old editions. A new pitch and 4 teams for $100 would be awesome.

A mini rulebook, like in the 40K starter, would be sweet.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 adamsouza wrote:
I imagine GW will release Blood Bowl, now set in the 40K universe, and then start litigation against Mantic for producing Dread Ball, which obiviously is a rip off of GW product

Yes, ^This^ +1
I Agree! Dreadball is totally original material. No ones ever done a future sport with a metal ball before.
I mean you'd be foolish to suggest that Mantic copied bloodbowl and just put it in space!?
It's a totally new type of game that has it's own very unique cover art and everything.

Panic...

Are Mantic trying to get in sales off the back of the popularity of Blood Bowl? Undoubtedly.
Although the games have very different game mechanics, and each offer a different experience.

And, I'm sure the market can bear 2 different fantasy sports games!

 Phydox wrote:
The last Specialist Game that GW "redid" was just a Rulebook. Wasn't Necromunda the last try? (Aside from Dread Fleet). You know, I'm just gonna go into Overwatch mode and "wait and see" before I saw blasting stuff. Maybe GW is capable of something good. The new 40k Starter models were impressive...

Underhive came out a decade ago and really has little to do with what we're talking about. This is a release in the same style as Hulk and Dread(ful)fleet. There's no separate rulebook release. It's just a self-contained box.

If you're interested in BB, make sure to download the various editions of the Living Rulebook off the interwebs sooner rather than later.

 Pacific wrote:

Are Mantic trying to get in sales off the back of the popularity of Blood Bowl? Undoubtedly.

There is a whole generation out there since GW stopped supporting Blood Bowl.

GW dropping a limited Blood Bowl box in 2013 is more like GW trying to capitalize on the interest Dread Ball has generated in Fantasy Football.

Anyone playing Blood Bowl these days is using a book they printed off the net and is likely using miniatures from Impact, Greebo, or some other small company.

Greebo has their own Fantasy Sport Game
Impact Has their own Fantasy Sport Game
Mantic has their own Future Fantasy Sport Game
Milton Bradley has their own Future Fantasy Sport Game

We just compare everything to BloodBowl because is came first, and we're mostly GW addicts

I'm sorry. I don't even remember the point I was trying to make.

BloodBowl is great, but it's no longer the only name in Fantasy Sports games..

This is really win-win in my opinion. Worst case scenario the new rules are bad, but there's 4 new plastic teams with unique players and a new board. Best case, the rules are slightly tweaked and still easily incorporate non-boxset teams, just like the current game. From the rumors listed it sounds like the latter is more likely.

That said, as much as I've been looking forward to a BB boxset, I'd be equally happy with a Warhammer Quest box. I agree with the previous posts that it would great to break out with friends for a quick evening gaming session. Plus it's an excuse to buy some of the amazing Fantasy models I wouldn't have a use for otherwise.

Anybody remember the old Electronic Football game on the board that vibrated?

Remember the little players would just jiggle down the field and if you were REALLY LUCKY, the player with the ball wouldnt get caught up in an endless arm spin with another player and make a TOUCHDOWN!!!

As many times as I played that game, we NEVER saw an unassisted touchdown....

Just reminscing....

Sorry all but Blood Bowl is a rip off of an old FASA futuristic sports game called Grav Ball... sorry GW comes in second..

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PEwzJHgY8oU/Td25WqRwXnI/AAAAAAAADO4/vrnxqILMNms/s1600/gravball.jpg

shintaibane wrote:
Sorry all but Blood Bowl is a rip off of an old FASA futuristic sports game called Grav Ball... sorry GW comes in second..

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PEwzJHgY8oU/Td25WqRwXnI/AAAAAAAADO4/vrnxqILMNms/s1600/gravball.jpg

Nothing is new. Everything is derivative. Welcome to discovering it.

shintaibane wrote:
Sorry all but Blood Bowl is a rip off of an old FASA futuristic sports game called Grav Ball... sorry GW comes in second..
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PEwzJHgY8oU/Td25WqRwXnI/AAAAAAAADO4/vrnxqILMNms/s1600/gravball.jpg

The concept is even older

 Starfarer wrote:
This is really win-win in my opinion. Worst case scenario the new rules are bad, but there's 4 new plastic teams with unique players and a new board.

Worst case is they make the 4 teams in another scale.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Fifty wrote:
I'd give my left nut, just for the opportunity to exchange my right nut for a well-done new Bloodbowl

So... no more Warmachine then?

My coffee would like a word with you. Also my keyboard.

(well played!)

If they do 4 teams then the box will be $129-$149 USD not $99. If GW were to sell newly sculpted teams they would be at least $60 USD for a box team of 11 players and $25 USD Booster packs of 2 more players. Heck at the current rate of GW player/fan/addict Price <redacted>I would not be surprised if they had a $199 USD price tag on a limited ed. 25th Anniversary set. (Of course at $199 USD that sucker better come with a Plastic Pitch)

Yeah,
$199 ?
Still buying two boxes if it comes with plastic pitch.

Panic..,

I have no doubt that if a blood bowl release happens it will be at the space hulk price point

Box set will be 250$. Read it here first.

I'll definitely buy at $150 or less. I'd probably be in at $200 for 4 full teams, book, and pitch. Probably not $250, though.

 ironicsilence wrote:
I have no doubt that if a blood bowl release happens it will be at the space hulk price point

I hope for this also, In fact it's what I would expect.

Blood bowl this year would be very good. It will also make a very expensive year in the hobby for me as High Elves & Eldar are going to wax my gaming budget for the next few months.

 kronk wrote:
I'll definitely buy at $150 or less. I'd probably be in at $200 for 4 full teams, book, and pitch. Probably not $250, though.

Ye, I think it's going to be 200$ too, but I then forgot that it's GW.

I think the set will include a sturdy card pitch, or a nicely done mat as with Dreadfleet, not a plastic pitch.

Sorta sad that they wouldn't clean up the rules. I played BB for around 5 seasons straight and the game just is incredibly unbalanced with half the teams being completely awful. For a board game balance matters a lot.

Oh well I guess..

yeah,
I don't think it's unbalanced, it just has teams at different tiers.
Just like in real life sport some teams will struggle more than others.
Sometimes the struggle is half the fun, everyone loves a underdog.

Panic...

We should get a ring going.

I say 65-75 pounds.

so 100-120 dollars for the yanks.

more likely the higher end of my guess.

4 teams will come to I would gues 60 models mostly standard 'man' size a few bigger. togethor with a pitch and a couple of dice. Think about what you get in the 40k box and the fantasy which are 62 pound. Its going to be comparable in terms of content. Then take into account that fantasy and 40k are sold to people in the hope they will then go on buy expensive kits and add a little more onto the price of blood bowl for that.

I would say about 75 pounds


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chuxfm wrote:
We should get a ring going.

I say 65-75 pounds.

so 100-120 dollars for the yanks.

And $280 for us Aussies, because of minimum wage of course

im moving to aus next year. If blood bowl happens I'll see you on the pitch

chuxfm wrote:
im moving to aus next year. If blood bowl happens I'll see you on the pitch

Where in Aus are you moving to? Happy to help you find your closest league (and if in South Australia pester you to come patronise our many tourneys)

It will eb late next year but probably melbourne.

I'm not sure that I would bother buying this if it's limited. I imagine most people will keep playing the old version (since they can actually get rules for it.) unless the models are amazing what's the point?

GW recently made the move to stop supporting their Specialist Game line... the only exception was Blood Bowl. WIth the success of Mantic's Dreadball kickstarter, GW may have sees an opportunity to move Blood Bowl back into a marquee game, on par with 40k, fantasy and Hobbit/LOtR. A limited edition starter set (on the 25th anniversary of the game) would be a good event for such a line. The "Chaos All-Stars" team that we keep hearing about would an excellent exclusive for the limited edition, and so would high quality tokens, boxes, and pitches. This wouldn't necessarily mean that GW couldn't release an updated Blood Bowl starter sometime after the limited edition sells out.

I do need to admit, that I hope the above is true more than I think that it is true.

shintaibane wrote:
Sorry all but Blood Bowl is a rip off of an old FASA futuristic sports game called Grav Ball... sorry GW comes in second..

Bloodbowl is a ripoff from Troll Ball, violent fantasy football played in Glorantha (RuneQuest world). Trolls use Trollkin as balls (bears in extreme variant). Many WHFB elements in general are derived from Glorantha.

We had that discussion a month ago, Backfire. Let it die, man.

Anpu-adom wrote:
WIth the success of Mantic's Dreadball kickstarter, GW may have sees an opportunity to move Blood Bowl back into a marquee game, on par with 40k, fantasy and Hobbit/LOtR.

It's not happening. GW is aiming to minimize internal product competition while maximizing investment return. The only reason 40k and WFB are allowed to co-exist is because they both require similar amounts of investment and they fill different niches of the market. Not to mention, unless there's a sudden change of heart among the upper echelons of GW management, there is no way they're going to invest in a game that can be played with 12 models if they could instead invest in a game that has to be played with 60+ models.

I mean, I wish I was wrong. But most likely I'm not.

Not only that, but if they didn't do anything with Blood Bowl when the video game came out a couple years ago, they probably won't do anything with it now.

 Kirasu wrote:
Sorta sad that they wouldn't clean up the rules. I played BB for around 5 seasons straight and the game just is incredibly unbalanced with half the teams being completely awful. For a board game balance matters a lot.

Oh well I guess..

I heard Jervis Johnson say that the game was only ever designed for teams to play 12 games.. if you play more than that, then it begins to become unbalanced between the 'fast/unarmoured' teams and the tough teams.

I think if you play Goblins or Halflings.. well, you know what you are letting yourself in for. They are great fun, and you will never be short an opponent in a league, but you shouldn't play them if losing bothers you.

In terms of game balance I don't think it's too bad.. certainly, much better than Mordheim/Necromunda which have no doubt had many campaigns sunk over the years by one or a couple of beardy players in a campaign who exploit the inbalances in the system to the fullest.

I'd like to point out that making cheesy Skaven warbands was in character.

Hahaha, very good..

 Lansirill wrote:
I'm not sure that I would bother buying this if it's limited. I imagine most people will keep playing the old version (since they can actually get rules for it.) unless the models are amazing what's the point?

IF it happens, the models will be amazing - based on the increasing quality seen in the last several boxed sets.

 Pacific wrote:
I think if you play Goblins or Halflings.. well, you know what you are letting yourself in for. They are great fun, and you will never be short an opponent in a league, but you shouldn't play them if losing bothers you.

This is something I'm trying to address in my own on-again-off-again ruleset, by distinguishing between "heel" teams and "face" teams. Sure, you'll take more casualties if you're playing the goblin equivalents, but everyone likes seeing a goblin get smashed, so the damage is mitigated by sponsorship rewards. A face team would have better support to stop their players from dying, but it's a PR nightmare if one does.

 Pacific wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Sorta sad that they wouldn't clean up the rules. I played BB for around 5 seasons straight and the game just is incredibly unbalanced with half the teams being completely awful. For a board game balance matters a lot.

Oh well I guess..

I heard Jervis Johnson say that the game was only ever designed for teams to play 12 games.. if you play more than that, then it begins to become unbalanced between the 'fast/unarmoured' teams and the tough teams.

I think if you play Goblins or Halflings.. well, you know what you are letting yourself in for. They are great fun, and you will never be short an opponent in a league, but you shouldn't play them if losing bothers you.

In terms of game balance I don't think it's too bad.. certainly, much better than Mordheim/Necromunda which have no doubt had many campaigns sunk over the years by one or a couple of beardy players in a campaign who exploit the inbalances in the system to the fullest.

I'm not talking about using the same team for 5 seasons. Just a new team each season which pretty much *always* ends up the same. The teams with good base AGI win the games, the other teams lose because agility is the single most important stat in the game. Teams with traits that allow rerolls on ball handling are at an absurd advantage against those without. Minimum 1/6 chance to fail at every single thing you do except "walking in an open field" is way too punishing to teams without built in rerolls, and even more so to teams with base AGI 2.

I don't see why any team is a losing team by design. Can you have fun with the losing teams? sure.. yet I think that's still poor design which is only really tolerated with GW games. Other companies don't get to use terms like 'forging a narrative" to excuse unbalanced design.

I do like Blood Bowl but I found it a bit insane that my wood elf team could win almost every single game with 3 players on the field. Just because it's a specialist game that is never updated doesn't mean it couldn't use tweaking to make all teams be on even footing. (same goes with necromunda and mordheim which have glaring issues as well)

Oh don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you! The game definitely needs some work to balance.

As AlexHolker suggests, some kind of financial incentive for the 'squishy teams', or some other allowance, would make them a viable option beyond them being played for their comedy value.

Just that I would say the level of imbalance is somewhat less than when compared to some of the other games GW has produced (Necomunda/Mordheim being the chief examples - although those are games where some kind of 'umpire/gamesmaster' control to a campaign is almost mandatory if you're playing with a bunch of different players).

What is this? Like a lame attempt to make a Warhammer Fantasy version of Dreadball?

Weaksauce GW.

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:
What is this? Like a lame attempt to make a Warhammer Fantasy version of Dreadball?

Weaksauce GW.

Not sure if serious or just trolling...

A joke perhaps?

This is the only thing that might draw me anywhere near GW at the minute. I'd buy this in a heartbeat.

I would not be surprised at all for GW to produce this as a 25mm scale game.

They would think it would deter people from using the rules and not buying their models, but in reality it would just reduce the number of people buying it.

 Grimstonefire wrote:
I would not be surprised at all for GW to produce this as a 25mm scale game.

15-20mm.

Bigger than Warmaster, smaller than fantasy, compatible with nothing.

Or make it at an even bigger scale, so they can charge even more money for the models.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Or make it at an even bigger scale, so they can charge even more money for the models.

Inquizibowl, because no one would expect (or buy) it

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Not only that, but if they didn't do anything with Blood Bowl when the video game came out a couple years ago, they probably won't do anything with it now.

I hadn't had this thought... and now it has made me sad

I hope you're wrong, and it is Bloodbowl after all!

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Or make it at an even bigger scale, so they can charge even more money for the models.

This is actually what I would do - and plan to do, if I ever win lotto. Not so that I could charge more money, but because I would rather have the larger models myself. Plus, unlike Inquisitor, a fantasy sports game only needs one piece of terrain: the arena.

If this rumour is true, I am going to repaint my star player Morg 'N Thorg!!

I heard there's gonna be a tau team


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And that it was actually going to be a 40k basketball themed game called 'Space Jam'

Well, it'd allow them to sue Warner Bros then!

 Shandara wrote:
Well, it'd allow them to sue Warner Bros then!

ziiiiing

Given the horrible reviews of Dreadfleet I've read, any new boxed game wouldprobably need a full overhaul of the rules in order to be playable and fun anyway (which is sad because the old Blood Bowl rules are seriously inelegant, hard to learn and rely too much on physical props).

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Given the horrible reviews of Dreadfleet I've read

Was it really that bad?

My boyfriend and I picked up a copy of Dreadfleet a few months ago. The rules aren't that bad, but some of the scenarios are a bit... meh.

It's not actually all that bad of a game to play once or twice, while enjoying a beer - there's just a huge luck-factor and it gets repetitive rather quickly. For the price, well if you have a use for the sea mat it's worth it, if not, WAY too little replay value for the rather premium price point.
Not a dreadful game - just really disappointing when you compare it to GW's previous boxed game release, space hulk.
Much of the venom originates from that as well; many had hoped for, say, a MoW or BFG rehash, or for models which would have seen additional usa in other systems.
Since that was impossible and the replay value was a bit mehh, DF caught substantially more flak than it deserved. Not to say it's a good game, or worth it's price, but it's nowhere near as bad as some make it out to be

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Given the horrible reviews of Dreadfleet I've read

Was it really that bad?

I heard a lot of complaints that it was excessively random to the point where player choices felt meaningless, and that games lasted too long for the amount of fun they were.

Kirasu wrote:
I'm not talking about using the same team for 5 seasons. Just a new team each season which pretty much *always* ends up the same. The teams with good base AGI win the games, the other teams lose because agility is the single most important stat in the game.

Really? I disagree. If you're playing with any sort of competitive people, AV is the most important stat in a league. AGI teams always win? How do they do that when every time they get a player with a level or two, he gets hit and fouled off the pitch? I'll take orcs or dwarves over high AGI teams every time, and while I might lose a game or two, I'll do better over the course of the league.

Remember, they have to kick to you too, and I'm more than happy to play a ball-control offense while I'm beating up their lightly armoured players.

I do like Blood Bowl but I found it a bit insane that my wood elf team could win almost every single game with 3 players on the field. Just because it's a specialist game that is never updated doesn't mean it couldn't use tweaking to make all teams be on even footing. (same goes with necromunda and mordheim which have glaring issues as well)

I just have to wonder about the quality of the opponents you faced.

Agree with the above i played lizardmen last time and i dominated, it is the most success one can have playing the tame violently.
The last time i faced wood elves they scored twice in the first half, in the second half when i was facing about five survivors i scored 4 times.

People wanted Man'o'war, and got Dreadfleet instead. Not a bad game, per say, but just not what people were wanting/expecting.

I'm still finding my footing as a Bloodball coach. I'm attracted to Norse, but I only have access to the humans and orks from the 3rd ed box set. Oh, and my gaming computer is down so I don't even get to play online!