Ok, so, some exposition here. Im giddy about the new tau release, so im kinda sharing it. I have some 40k friends on FB so when i got the riptide ordered i posted that i got it. I posted a link and pic to the model to show my 40k friends.
But my cousin saw it. Now my cousin is married, struggling(not really, he still has plenty of money,just not for the things he) with two young girls. He saw it, clicked the link and saw the price. He is now shaming me for spending "85$ on plastic crap" and gloating about it. Im not gloating, i just wanted my friends to see what i got.
I tried to explain to him even more what it was for like how i use it for a game where I use my other models, but know he is just being mean saying things like
"y'know my girls will never be able to afford this" or things like "Why dont you put it in savings(as a note, i put 100$ in savings each month)" and even how i should be focused on school.
Its starting a grind me, i dont like being shamed for my hobby.
So i have to wonder. Does anyone else ever get shamed for playing 40k? or feel guilty? Sometimes i do.

And how much is a child? Choices my friend....choices

Not really.

Tell him to grow up and feth off He has no right to hector you on how YOU spend YOUR money

I paint my orks at my desk at work on my lunch. Got some odd looks at first (as i moved jobs recently), but after 6 months people just kind of accept it.

I've had people tell me that orks are Satanic (lord knows what they would make of my all-nurgle Daemons ) or that i'm wasting my money, but its still none of their fething business.

I've been wargaming since i was seven, and i'm old now Not likely i'll change.

I used to get this a lot when I was a younger man, hell I still get it now from my co-workers and some of my friends and family.

Things like:

'How can you spend so much on little plastic men?'
'You know people think you are a weirdo spending time and money on stuff like that?'
'waste of money and time'

My response to most of these:

Feth Off.

And here is why, it is a hobby and something I personally care about, I'm not ashamed to admit, without 40k and wargames in general, I would have no friends and no social life to speak of. This hobby has become a big a part of my life as my work and everything else, so I have no shame for what I do because it is something I care about.

My hobby may seem weird and expensive to some, but to me it is pretty much everything and no stranger than some other people and their hobbies. Hell I know a guy who makes a hobby out of breeding/clipping sheep, it's all he cares about, talks about and spends money on.

If you asked me to spend my time or money with my hand inside an animal or in a social environment with my friends playing wargames, I can tell you what I'd pick everytime.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with his hobby, quite the opposite, people are different and what seems stupid to some means a lot to others, there is no shame in doing something that you care about. Provided its legal/safe etc

I get some flak out of the hobby in the work as I do my base spraying in there. "What are these, little plastic toys? You gotta be kidding..." And especially after they hear about the price and amount of time they take. And then they go off talking how last weekend they used 6000€ and 20 hours of work on new motor for their racing cars that havent even moved yet Everyone has their own thing.

Altho the laughter has somewhat gone down as time has gone by and they've seen pics of painted minis, some even grudginly admit they are cool

You are playing a game that was originally invented by the great author H. G. Wells, there is no shame in that.

Your cousin may be under a lot of stress so I wouldnt advise telling him to F Off, just ride it out. Believe me, if he has two girls something else will soon have his attention.

Every man's hobby is another man's folly, it is just that some hobbies are more widespread than others. I mean what could really be more stupid than adults playing a children's game like basketball, football, soccer or baseball, geez grow up already. Or how about chasing a little ball across hill and dale with a stick.

What could be dumber than a motorsport that involves only making left turns and then only on a smooth road under ideal weather conditions? What is the challenge in that????

The FLGS I play at has video games. The worst I get is "why are you playing this instead of an XBOX?" I just shrug them off and enjoy my hobby. nobody can bring me down about it. Unless it's hurting someone, I don't care what people do for fun. Nor do I care what fun is to be had for myself, as long as it's fun.

People just have different values and interests. It's great when people share yours, but in some ways even better when they don't but find a way to appreciate them anyway. It sounds like your cousin is in neither of those groups. Personally, I'd much rather have an $85 plastic tank than spend $85 on, say, tickets to a hockey game or $85 on a nice dinner and drinks. At least I'd still have the tank at the end of the day.

I don't get too much flack because two of my best friends and my brother play this game. At the same time I'm renowned for being good with my money, and was also the first in my family to graduate from post secondary education.

Sometimes I get flack for the money I spend on hobbies. But I have 2 tv/entertainment stands that are set up the same that were 10k each. I have two sets of tournament paintball gear that cost me a total of around 6k, plus now I play airsoft (considerably cheaper by the way) with about 3k in gear. I spend about 2k a year on computer upgrades and gear (pits half because I play games, and half because I'm a software developer and need powerful machines for that too). And I just got a new electric drum kit that cost just under 8k. My total expense for 40k in the ten years I've played it is about 8k, but I also buy a lot of models for my brother because he has kids. Point is, I have numerous hobbies, electronics, music, sports (yes paintball and airsoft art sports, lots of running and jumping and such), and they can all get expensive. I have $300 a month for "extras", which include all my above hobbies, and things like eating at restaurants, going out with friends, movies, and anything that is not part of my living costs. That's after things like mortgage, groceries, other bills, gas for my car, insurance, stuff for my 6 month old daughter, ect. Hell my monthly expenses are about 3k a month. We put 1k away in saving a month, so whatever else I spend my money on is my business and anyone who wants to criticize me better be doing pretty well for themselves.
Whoo, kinda ranted there, my bad

My question is how old are you? If your young it might explain why he feels he can scold you for money spending(as people tend to think younger people never spend their money right). If you are putting money away into savings, and you are still budgeting extra money for whatever hobby you are into, then you are doing good compared to a lot of people. You work to live, not live to work. If you can't find something to enjoy in life, whats the point in working your butt off? Depending on your situation, I'd say as long as you pay your bills, and have money left over (on top of saving no less), then spend it on whatever you want. Heck I know people who spend the equivalent to my extras budget on going to the bar. At least I have something to show and hold for the money I spend on my models.

Having kids might just hit a jealousy thing. I know there was a bit of that with my brother as he has two kids his oldest is five, and I just had my first child 6 months ago. But at the same time, I have paid for about half his army, so that's mostly gone now.

Anyway, for those TL;DR people... It's your money! As long as you are responsible with your money, spend your extra money on whatever makes you happy. That's what life is about, enjoying it! If someone can't get that, their loss. Don't feel guilty for finding something you enjoy and pursuing it.

I got some interesting reactions from people when they've found out about my hobby.

Given that I recently got back into 40k, I asked my girlfriend beforehand, just saying "I'd like to start up the hobby again, this is what it is, and i'll be out 1-2 nights a week playing. Do you mind?" She was a bit suprised, but she always says she'd much prefer me having a friendly game at a community hall than heading out drinking, or just sitting infront of the TV playing xbox. I told her I enjoy painting, and think it's a more constructive hobby than most.

Funnily enough, on my first night at my local club, I bumped into a girl that works in my office. She teaches a weekly Zumba class at the community hall, and I had the pleasure of explaining to this rather fit and active Zumban (new term, just coined it), what the hobby is. She had a couple of quick zibes at me being a geek, but I shrugged them off because I wear that label with pride. I just explained to her that I find it more enjoyable to get out of the house, have a friendly game and a beer with a friend than sit at home watching TV.

As for the $ side of things. Yeah 40k is expensive (more-so for some, right my Aussie brothers?), but hobbies tend to be. If I wasn't spending my disposable income on 40k, it'd sure as hell be spent elsewhere. Drinking, Food, Videogames, or something else. I do spend a large amount of time painting and playing. But I spend just as much time each week playing sport, cooking, hanging out with my friends, and other things that I love to do.

Sounds to me like your cousin is jealous more than anything else. With 2 young children and adult problem, i'm sure he'd love some time out to play a game. But the wife probably wouldn't let him

No, because I'm an adult and I'm generally friends with other adults.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so, some exposition here. Im giddy about the new tau release, so im kinda sharing it. I have some 40k friends on FB so when i got the riptide ordered i posted that i got it. I posted a link and pic to the model to show my 40k friends.
But my cousin saw it. Now my cousin is married, struggling(not really, he still has plenty of money,just not for the things he) with two young girls. He saw it, clicked the link and saw the price. He is now shaming me for spending "85$ on plastic crap" and gloating about it. Im not gloating, i just wanted my friends to see what i got.
I tried to explain to him even more what it was for like how i use it for a game where I use my other models, but know he is just being mean saying things like
"y'know my girls will never be able to afford this" or things like "Why dont you put it in savings(as a note, i put 100$ in savings each month)" and even how i should be focused on school.
Its starting a grind me, i dont like being shamed for my hobby.
So i have to wonder. Does anyone else ever get shamed for playing 40k? or feel guilty? Sometimes i do.

Most of the people I know are respectful of me and my personal interests, as I am of them and theirs. This is what makes them friends and family. Anyone else outside of that, I really could care less what they think. It's your hobby. You enjoy it and it's how you choose to spend your time/money. It's yours. Do as you please with it.

As for your cousin, he obviously doesn't understand what it's all about, and that likely will not change. If he can't afford a hobby, that's his issue and he needs to get over the inferiority and find a way to change that. Unfortunately misery loves company, so people like this will try to bring you down to their level. Tell him that it's what you enjoy doing, and leave it at that.

I don't buy the argument that WH is an expensive hobby. When you recalibrate and consider $/entertainment_hour, it's freakin' cheap as chips.

I buy a 10-man squad of IG troopers for the exhorbitant cost of AUD$48. I paint to a standard that is probably above average, and might spend 20 hours on that squad. $2.40/hour and I haven't begun to factor in the time I'll spend playing with them.

I know I can drink WAAAY more than $2.40 worth of grog an hour!

I'd tell the cuz to mind his own fething business.

I used to care about this sort of thing. Now I realize that the same morons who used to laugh at this hobby are the same morons who now pack my bags at the local supermarket.

 Brother SRM wrote:
No, because I'm an adult and I'm generally friends with other adults.

This.

Closest I've got is a friend trying to get more information about it from me because he didn't play (because it was too expensive for them, duh) and a co-worker brought a Baneblade to paint into his work and he seemed to want to ask her out.

Other than that it's pretty much the same as any other hobby. Either no one cares and doesn't bring it up, or they do for a little bit and there's the usual "oh that's cool" or quick question. The thing to remember is if they're not interested, don't keep going on about it; just like anything else. If they're going to badger you about it, they're likely being petty about something else.

I have no shame on my hobby, and have no problems with people knowing it. However, I do have a problem if people I know are going to take the piss with what I do with my time and money. These people would be called bullies and donkey caves. They make life hard at the best of times and I am not giving them and excuse to go picking on me if I post 40k related stuff to facebook.

Who cares what other people think of you? I love my hobby, and everyone that I know is supportive of it, or doesn't run their suck about my hobbies.

I always tell people if they really care about how I spend then they should match a % of my money that goes into savings and then I will allow you an opinion on my money. They always get a funny awkward look on their faces like they are trying to figure out what to say then the subject always changes. I would really let people have opinions if they'd contribute but for some reason they never do. I do not give my dad this option as he would take me up on it.


Edit -- oh the other good one I use is --- " Yeah you're right no one should be allowed to spend anything on hobbies or entertainment only on necessities. We should form some type of government board to make a list of approved expenditures." That one really shuts them up.

Actually, the GW company section is great about that specific part:
http://investor.games-workshop.com

GW is a hobby. It is not a time killing activity. After you saved your playstation game, you return to the real world, and you have nothing.
After you painted a mini, you used a complete skillset to finish it : precision, modeling, paybe even a bit of sculpting, some artistic sense on the colours. And you have something you did with your own hands.

Of course we are all shamed at some point by people that do not understand the hobby. After all, I can be seen as a 35yo playing with plastic soldiers on the weekend. But hey, it's my money, I paid for it, and if I want to buy and paint plastic soldiers, I think no one will arrest me for it.

Shamed for buying 40K?

@ OP. Do you annoy annoy people screaming about 40K in public? I doubt it. Does your cousin annoy people with his screaming kids in public? Most probably.

I live on a street with five pubs. I see people spending their weekends standing on a pub car park on a housing estate. Personally I find that lame.

Bring on 40K.

Get his daughters really interested in warhammer until they want him to buy some for them. Watch and laugh as he weeps over his shrinking wallet.

I could think it's shameful that people spend $80 on a shirt, or $100 on shoes, or $200 on a purse, ect. But I don't tell people how to spend their money, so they shouldn't tell me how to spend mine. Same goes for you. Buy what you like dude!

I enjoy my hobbies, my wife is supportive of them and that is really the only other person who is allowed to have an opinion.

That said, I am responsible with my purchasing and don't spend more than I can afford. I do think it is silly when someone goes into debt for their hobby, or gives up necessities to pay for it, no matter what that hobby is.

My coworkers' and relatives' hobbies include golf, paintball and dune buggy racing. I assume all of those are expensive hobbies as well.

Jealousy is a terrible thing.

(The idea of saving money in the current economic climate is pretty silly anyway. Every time you put money in a bank you're just spending it slowly, and in the most boring possible way).

Sometimes I feel embarassed for the things that I'm into like Star Wars, Video and computer games, war gaming, and red heads... but then I just gotta remember:

Its yo' thang... do whatchoo wanna do!

I wouldn't worry about him to much, just shrug it of and smile. It honestly sounds like he resents the fact that he doesn't have the freedom to spend money no matter how much on what he wants. I know it was a big adjustment for me after I got married and had kids. I was used to dropping 8 or 9 hundred dollars on whatever I wanted every pay day. Looking back I wish I had picked up wargaming back then but you can't change the past. After I got married though it was a whole different ballgame.

Do you have other fiscal responsibilities that you are neglecting in order to participate in the hobby? Food? Rent? Child? Spouse? etc...

No?

Well tell your cousin to bugger off. You make your money and you have full rights to do with it as you choose. I know plenty of people in this area that have families, children, etc that participate in the hobby AND are paying off all bills, loans, etc.

Dropping money on this is no different then dropping it on cable, internet, sports, gym memberships, movies, music, games, going out to eat, etc

Heh, I think of how much money i spend on warhammer and then factor in how much money i would be spending if i drank or if i had kids. Thats when i realized the fun and value of playing warhammer is much better than pissing away cash on temporary liquid liver destruction or polluting the gene pool with my genetic material. So if anything, i win!

Interestingly enough, warhammer will not often lead to children, whereas drinking will, which will further compromise my cash supply =P

quite frankly, this hobby is actually a lot cheaper than people think it is.

Go talk to the guy that is always tuning his car/pimping it out. Pretty sure he spends a LOT more than we do lol. And he can lose it all in a freak accident, our loss is mainly to us moving meaning our stuff is in boxes and being handled by someone thats not us.

Its only expensive because the model by model price is insane. But in all honesty, how many players can say they have several thousand dollars in this hobby? Even i cant say that and i know i got quite a bit in it (atleast 2k in value, i didnt actually spend that much thanks to ebay lol) but any car hobbiest spends that much for a SINGLE part.

So what if his girls can never afford this (or him for that matter). Family eats up a lot of money, but get this, THEYRE WAY MORE IMPORTANT! if i had to choose between a life of 40k and a life married with kids, i wouldnt be playing 40k unless i was insanely rich lol.
Just ignore his immature bashings. Its your money not his, dont let him tell you how to use it.

I used to get hassled about this until I had enough and decided to take a stand. I found it funny how people would say that i'm wasting money on this when they happily go out and spend more than I do a week on alcohol, which might as well be flushing money down the toilet. At least with this hoppy when you have enough of it you can get quite a high percentage of what you spent on it back.

Another factor is that I am a gamer at heart. When I used to go and stay with my family (who live close to me) I'd bring my laptop because they like to watch TV in the evenings, and I find TV boring. They would say its antisociable and it was a little i suppose. I started 40k about a year ago again after a very long break and they now think i'm wasting time and money on it. They think i should get a TV of my own. I just ask why... I don't want to waste my spare time getting drunk and sitting in front of a box telling me what I need to think and wear and behave etc.

I think i'm losing my point but don't be disheartened by people putting you off. The way I like to see it is that people are afraid of things they don't understand and therefore try to undermine it so that they feel superior to it and the people that do it. I don't let it bother me now, I just pity their ignorance.

......couch potatoes saying youre wasting YOUR time? wtf....people watching TV is the ultimate description of time wasters. I cant watch tv unless its a certain anime that peaked my interest so i actually pay attention instead of doing something else while its playing and half watching it. I painted most of my ork army watching Dota2 Livestream with TobiWan via youtube or his stream (i have a computer hooked up to my tv as a media computer, so i can do that lol). I couldnt tell you half the games i watched in any level of detail because i was painting and listening not watching lol.

This is why I can never be ashamed about 'all the money I waste on 40k'

http://www.eatliver.com/img/2011/7495.jpg

Rustgob wrote:
This is why I can never be ashamed about 'all the money I waste on 40k'

http://www.eatliver.com/img/2011/7495.jpg

I hate this planet sometimes.

OTOH, maybe I can sell my scruffy old t-shirts to some clueless bimbo fashionista instead of chucking them?

I've recently started seeing a girl and told her that I like painting miniatures and playing with them. She thought it was a bit weird until I showed her a couple of my better painted models. Then she was quite impressed and didn't think it was stupid any more.

It seems people just hate on what they dont understand sometimes. The most important thing is that its your money and its your hobby. Its not criminal so other peoples opinions mean little in the end. Do what is fun to you and anyone else can believe its a stupid hobby.

Thought I'd chime in, though my points have been made by others I think....

The only time I chide people spending money on something they enjoy (this hobby, hitting bar, travelling, shopping, anything really...) is if their obviously shirking responsibility. Do YOU feel like you're being fiscally irresponsible? If not, I wouldn't worry about it. It's not his business what you do with your cash. He decided to stretch his dollars to the brink, that's his thing. No need to even defend yourself. In fact, I'd advise against it. If he won't drop it, then don't even discuss it with him. Why bother? Sounds like he's frustrated with money, not your hobby.

It sounds less like your cousin is upset by your hobby and more like he's having money troubles and wants you to help out, but is too proud to ask.

If you're the type of person to financially help family, it may be a good idea to approach him about it. If you're not, you don't need to explain yourself at all (anything you say along the lines of, "I didn't choose to have kids," or "I spent 8 years in college for this," will just sound judgemental on the receiving end... It's better to say nothing), and if he keeps pushing, let him know it's your money and if you want to throw it away on plastic crack, that's your problem.

If you owe him money, though, you might want to pay him before you buy a new box of Kroot.

I don't get heckled about it. Most people I know are also gamers, or can at least enjoy and appreciate the effort I put in to modeling and painting even if they aren't gamers. They like the eye candy.

What your cousin is doing is wrong. As others have said, he has no right to hassle you about your money. You're putting money away, which implies you're being responsible. Even if you weren't, it's not his place to flip you gak. He's taking out his frustration over his own financial position on you, and that's wrong. I think you should stand up to him and tell him such, let him know he's stepping over the line and becoming abusive. Establish some boundaries, he's way out of line. You have no reason to justify yourself to him.

Some of my family, who I no longer speak with for other reasons, used to make me feel guilty for spending money on things just for fun. Part of that came from them living during the Depression, and being raised by those who had. That's not an excuse though. There's no point in making oneself miserable. Regardless of one's situation, you have to find ways to do things that make you happy. Even if it is less frequent. It's unhealthy, IMO, to completely deprive yourself. Again, it sounds like you're not being irresponsible, and he's just bitter that he is unable to enjoy as much disposable income. That's what happens when you have a family. I'm in the same boat, I've got friends that don't have kids, or the financial responsibilities or limitations I do. I don't berate them for enjoying that. While I am a little jealous, and would like to be able to not worry about it so much, I don't begrudge them, I just enjoy it with them and through them.

Stand up to him. Tell him his financial troubles do not apply to you, and that he has no right to transpose his guilt and frustration on you. Stop justifying yourself to him.

It's not your fault he decided to churn a couple kids before he could support them.

He's trying to make you feel bad so he can feel better about his poor life decisions.

Oh, he can support his family just fine, he just doesnt have it for doing things like expanding his house like he wanted.
And for those, Im 20 yrs old with a 16hr a week job i do in between school. i make roughly 500$ a month.
I personally think im being extremely responsible, Even with this semester not doing well i still try.
I just dont get why he is angry, he has a nice life with two extremely lovely children and a loving wife.
I think one of it might be he is a traditional republican who is a SAHD who doesnt work.

There is no joy in the lives of those people.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
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I think he is a SAHD who doesnt work.

Stay at home dad? melon-fether's living the dream.

Snapshot wrote:
I don't buy the argument that WH is an expensive hobby. When you recalibrate and consider $/entertainment_hour, it's freakin' cheap as chips.

I buy a 10-man squad of IG troopers for the exhorbitant cost of AUD$48. I paint to a standard that is probably above average, and might spend 20 hours on that squad. $2.40/hour and I haven't begun to factor in the time I'll spend playing with them.

I know I can drink WAAAY more than $2.40 worth of grog an hour!

I'd tell the cuz to mind his own fething business.

Hah, well when you put it like that...

The nice thing about minis, versus many other hobbies, are that though the initial investment is high, the return on that investment is pretty much limited by your own lifespan and nothing else.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Oh, he can support his family just fine, he just doesnt have it for doing things like expanding his house like he wanted.
And for those, Im 20 yrs old with a 16hr a week job i do in between school. i make roughly 500$ a month.
I personally think im being extremely responsible, Even with this semester not doing well i still try.
I just dont get why he is angry, he has a nice life with two extremely lovely children and a loving wife.
I think one of it might be he is a traditional republican who is a SAHD who doesnt work.

Politics aside, he really has no business telling you how to spend your money when he doesn't even have a fething job.

I dont like the idea of using price per mini as a basis, I prefer the time spent on said item/ price of said item.

60 Euro PS3 game, you might spend what, 20 hours on it ? Unless it's a really good game and you take a personal interest in it.

When I was younger ( and allot poorer ) I must have spent about 500 euros over 2 years in the hobby. 500 euros, for endless hours of entertainment, that i still enjoy today. How does that match up with that blue ray movie you got last year ?

On top of that, like many people have pointed out, this isn't a time killer, it's a hobby. You create these with your own hands, Each mini you make is yours, there will be no other like it because you pored a part of you into it.

This hobby involves a lot of art ; Sculpting, painting, writing ( Scenario's, campaigns, back story for your miniatures )
You are an artist mate.

If you recoil and feel bad about this, you really shouldn't mate. When you feel defensive about something that's when people look at the negative aspects of things.

Anyhow, your cousin just sounds a bit sad. Maybe call him up ? Have a chat ? People who lash out like that are hurting,

"You spent HOW much on those army men?!"

"Oh, about $900. I just got my tax return and had money to blow."

"That's insane! How could you ever spend that much on toys?"

"Well, I don't know. How much do you spend on your hobbies?"

Once you get them to start thinking about how much their hobbies REALLY cost, they usually shut up pretty quickly. 40k is tame compared to a lot of other stuff, especially when you consider that 40k has infinite replayability.

If you like it then go with it.

As far as money goes, I have models that are about 10 years old that I am using today. So it seems expensive up front (and is if you buy a lot) but if you buy a little at a time they add up to a lot of models and hours upon hours of modelling, painting, and playing time.

I fall into the married category and agree with what others before have said: that it is harder to buy (in large amounts at least) more warhammer stuff. But my wife is super supportive and nice about me and my nerdy hobbies. So life is good.
Even my parents, though hesitant, support me somewhat in it as long as my life is in order. which it is.

So why not have something fun to play that gets you out of the house and interacting with fellow nerds at the store?
It is better than sitting at home and raging at a video game or wasting time on the limitless time-wasters we have today.

Really?! He is a stay at home dad, and wants to tell you how to spend you'd money? He also said he saves $100 per month? Does he mean his wife saves $100 and he doesn't get a say? Maybe he is just resentful that he can't choose what to spend money on?

Personally, one of my best friends takes the piss out of me for 40k. She keeps trying to get me to eBay it. She is very anti, but I do not know why, as she is fine about most things.

(btw, you don't have your FLGS owner as a Facebook friend do you? ;-) )

Never felt ashamed for my hobby.
First 'cause beside it I have a social life, and my friends don't mind.
Second 'cause with my money I do what the heck I want, no need to explain to others.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Oh, he can support his family just fine, he just doesnt have it for doing things like expanding his house like he wanted.
And for those, Im 20 yrs old with a 16hr a week job i do in between school. i make roughly 500$ a month.
I personally think im being extremely responsible, Even with this semester not doing well i still try.
I just dont get why he is angry, he has a nice life with two extremely lovely children and a loving wife.
I think one of it might be he is a traditional republican who is a SAHD who doesnt work.

It could be he is feeling emasculated by being a SAHD and lashing out at anything he considers unmanly. Not all men can adjust to a non-traditional role in the family. The traditional republican part would multiply the shame I would imagine, but that is no excuse to abuse you. Family gets extra passes on behavior sometimes, but just because you share a bloodline doesn't mean he gets a special right to be a dick to you. My advice; unfriend him on FB and ignore him. If he really cares he will apologize, but I'm guessing he won't.

Crimson is right. Family does get a pass for the most part. However, I have learned that there's a line. In the grand scheme of things, it could be worse. I'd consider giving him an opportunity to quit being a d bag. Then mute him. Feth that.

Let's see... Dark Vengeance ($100), an extra set of DV Tacs ($20), new Codex ($50), Command Squad ($60), and a pair of Vindicators ($58 each)... Ebay Land Speeder ($15), Ebay Attack Bike ($10), and the Ravenwing Upgrade Sprue ($15) Crap, I'm already $390 into the hobby before paint. Also, that's almost three thousand points, and can be competitive.

Now let's compare that to playing guitar (a hobby that no one seems to blink an eye at), with good enough, and loud enough, gear to play a bar. Epiphone Les Paul (~$300), Monoprice 20-foot cable ($6), Fender Frontman 2x12" ($330), $2 for picks, and eff ear plugs 'cause this is punk rock. ~$640. Could you go cheaper? Yeah, but even at this price you're fairly limited in what you can play, and it doesn't sound good (imo). :p

Does he play video games? Those are luxury items, and almost the same price as your new plastic flying boat. It's a luxury item, and it least you have something solid to show for it at the end of the day. I know a lot of people that rush out and buy the newest DVDs and video games and spend way more per month than I do on plastic men. And then they beat the video game they just spent 60 bucks on and it gathers dust. At least we can play with our overpriced plastic army mens after we're done with them. I price things in my head. I say 4 bucks should be an hour of entertainment. If you're really putting time and effort into your models, you're at least breaking even on that deal. I am a recovering alcoholic and the models give me something else to than sit on my ass and drink myself stupid. That being said, pretty much all the armor in GW became overpriced when 6th launched, and 80+ for a plastic airplane is high. I started a couple of years ago and remember buying my predator for 36 bucks. Now it's 57. At that price I would have to think hard about buying it. Still, if a plastic alien airplane makes you happy and isn't hurting anyone, good for you. A lot of people spend a LOT more money on much dumber things. Ever see how much women pay for shoes that just sit in the closet forever?

P.S.: He should see some of my old bar tabs if he thinks THAT is a waste of money, rofl.

Not your fault your uncle decided to spawn. I'd laugh at him.

Old girlfriend thought the idea of Warhammer was stupid xD somehow we still dated for years... Now my current girlfriend wants to give it a try o.o no shame here!

I'm lucky that I've never really been shamed for 40k, I've had the usual but nothing terrible.

Like many other people have said it's about choices. I have a friend that has poured thousands of pounds into restoring a car, never driven it once. People may look at that as a waste, but it's his hobby and it keeps him happy, and I get to help so it keeps me happy too. I do begrudge spending the money on 40k at the moment, it is a lot of monies for what you get, but it's an investment.

Anyway, who cares what people think? 40k is constructive and has a massive community and as previously said it gives people the friends they never would have had. I've been left school 10 years, I had a good few friends, the only friends I have from school now are 40k players.

Listen to the people in this thread, not those that try and shame you, they're hypocritical. They'll spend more a week on useless crap than you will on 40k in a month.

One thing people always overlook. With this hobby (excluding rulebooks obviously) you generally don't require additional funds once you buy them to continue use. Bought Call of BattleHalo? You need internet. Ride quads/dirtbikes? They break and acrue repair expenses and need fuel to keep working. Content watching TV? That is a fat bill alone that leaves you with little/nothing at the end of the month. These models, once painted rarely, if ever, require more money. When they do have an issue you do what, glue it? That costs pennies maybe. Large numbers of people throw money at things that both cost more and hold less value than we do.

Edit: Don't forget too, if modeled/painted properly you can get equal or more market value for your models. That cable TV? Yeah, that money is gone.

I don't realy talk about my hobby and unlike others I am ashamed how much it costs . I have just one army , no models I dont use and the army cost almost twice what my mother earns in two months . I bought the models myself , but truth be told I dont think she or anyone in my family would understand If I told them how much those plastic soldiers cost . I do feel bad about it more or less all the time , but neither choice of army , nor the choice of hobby was mine to do . I just hope that non of my siblings ever goes on a GW site to check how much the stuff costs .

Makumba wrote:
I do feel bad about it more or less all the time , but neither choice of army , nor the choice of hobby was mine to do .

Were you somehow forced at gunpoint to play? Or promised a dying friend, on their deathbed, that you would fulfill their wish of having a 3000 point SoB army?

 Griddlelol wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
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I think he is a SAHD who doesnt work.

Stay at home dad? Melonfether's living the dream.

THIS^^^^

ROFL

No but I have two types of friends those that play w40k and those that play WFB. I could of course not play , but then I would have no friends at all . Did that for 6 years in middle school , isnt something what I would like to do again .

And as for my army goes I have 50 IG man 6 hvy weapon teams . 4 vet squads 3 Lemman russes 4 vendettas 4 officers 1 commissar 1 marbo 2 chimeras 1 aegis gunline plasma guns for vet squads and for the IG squads. bought pice by pice last and this year . The cost is almost 2 salaries of my mom who is a math teacher in a highschool.

Makumba wrote:
No but I have two types of friends those that play w40k and those that play WFB. I could of course not play , but then I would have no friends at all . Did that for 6 years in middle school , isnt something what I would like to do again .

And as for my army goes I have 50 IG man 6 hvy weapon teams . 4 vet squads 3 Lemman russes 4 vendettas 4 officers 1 commissar 1 marbo 2 chimeras 1 aegis gunline plasma guns for vet squads and for the IG squads. bought pice by pice last and this year . The cost is almost 2 salaries of my mom who is a math teacher in a highschool.

That's rough, man (or... girl? I don't know, I think I'd call you a dude either way). Teachers, especially those in K-12 that teach required classes, should be paid significantly better.

Or someone needs a new source for models

I simply reply, "to each their own." Most people understand after that

One time, this guy was like 'How can you spend so much money on something so stupid?'

I simply replied that I had spent less on warhammer in my entire life than he had on booze in the past year.

Otherwise I'm just like it's my money, if I want to waste it on overpriced plastic toys then I bloody well will waste it on overpriced plastic toys.

Stay at home dad? ....yea he seriously has nothing to complain about. If he wants more money, get a damn job.
Being a stay at home dad/mom isnt easy dont get me wrong but its a good sacrifice to lose a bit more money to properly raise your kids. If i can afford it i'd be doing it too (or if my wife could afford it, either or) because i dont trust daycares. I firmly believe they are a big reason todays kids are stupid as hell.

People around me constantly bash me for the cost of my "toys" and ignore how much they spend on bar hopping every day off (mind you, we work panama hours so we work 15 days a month 12hr shifts....15 days theyre out boozing it up spending 50-80dollars each time EASILY)
And they still ask me why i never go out with them lol. 50-80 dollars for a few hours entertainment i probably wont remember anyway isnt very cool in my books.

To be fair, there are many reasons a man could be a SAHD. Laziness and an unwillingness to work aren't necessarily the reasons. I was one up until recently, despite trying daily to find a job. Those descriptors may fit, but it's not our place to judge him on that. It doesn't help the OP either. It's that knee jerk reaction that gives a guy the guilt I dealt with, even knowing I wasn't lazy or unwilling to work. Still, it by no means justifies the cousin's actions.

He is a SAHD because his wife makes more money.

As far as justifying our purchases, someone who doesn't share our hobby or appreciation for it will never see the value in it. It is only over priced if you think it is. Value and expense are two different things. These models are expensive, though not any more than scale models. However the enjoyment we get out of painting, building, and playing them gives them value. I don't think they're overpriced, but can be expensive. The outlet they give me is worth it. I don't expect others to put the same value or worth on them as I do.

My wife isn't interested in them. She enjoys the ones I do up and thinks they're great, she doesn't value the models as I do. She does understand what they mean to me and do for me, so understands my attribution of worth to them. She supports that whole heartedly. If someone doesn't think they're worth it, oh well. It is nice if they can at least understand why I think they are even if they personally don't. Thankfully that's the primary reaction I get.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
He is a SAHD because his wife makes more money.

Hey, if my family could afford it, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Kids and family mean more than anything. Still wouldn't be a douche though. Hopefully you've found some support and good advice!

 Fifty wrote:
Really?! He is a stay at home dad, and wants to tell you how to spend you'd money? He also said he saves $100 per month? Does he mean his wife saves $100 and he doesn't get a say? Maybe he is just resentful that he can't choose what to spend money on?

Personally, one of my best friends takes the piss out of me for 40k. She keeps trying to get me to eBay it. She is very anti, but I do not know why, as she is fine about most things.

(btw, you don't have your FLGS owner as a Facebook friend do you? ;-) )

No, it doesnt matter, he got no less then 4 riptides. And i have to wait till wednesday to get mine, he would be laughing at me.

40k is for winners......enough said lol

I can't say that I've ever been ashamed of my hobby, though I have met alot of people who didn't understand it, or why I spend so much time and money on it. I think the secret is in line with what others have been saying so far. You have to keep it in perspective. Buying a reasonably sized army is a fairly good investment as far as entertainment goes in building/painting time alone (if you even bother with it that is), and compared to most other hobbies is actually not too expensive. Certainly less than the sports fans that buy big expensive t.vs and home theatres, golfers, car enthusiasts, model trains, and even P.C gamers, depending on how often they update their software and/or buy new games.

Of course the main thing is that it's something that I enjoy and is important to me. Luckily my friends and family accept and respect that, and so I don't get more than the passing good-natured jibe for participating in my hobby.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
"y'know my girls will never be able to afford this"

Ok everything he said is kinda bull but this takes the top spot, how the hell does he know what they'll be able to afford in the future, and how they'll choose to spend their income.
I suggest you start shaming him for underestimating his own children's abilities to get a nice job in the future.

In my experience it hasn't been shame as much as it's been "wth?"

Case in point: my old theatre instructor saw one of my miniatures, Kharne, and the detail that went into the model's paint job. he commented how well it was painted and asked me how I did all the tiny details. I also showed him a woodelf I'd done and he was equally surprised. I was the one that vonlunteered how much the things cost and then he was taken aback by what I'd invested in my Chaos army (the woodelf I got in a bargain bin and seemed like an interesting piece to do). I had around 1500 pts of Chaos Marines and 1000 of Space Wolves. Now my family wasn't rich per se so I had to do a lot of mowing yards, selling cords of wood, pumpkins, and watermelons with my brothers. Over several Christmases and birthdays I got both armies together as that was what I wanted and my brothers knew that.

Now I have been chided for spending so much money on them, but not to the degree your speaking of.

I can't say I've ever really had anyone try to shame me over the expense of the hobby. That said, I personally am a little embarrassed when I think of how much I've spent simply because of all the unpainted and painted-but-unwanted miniatures I own. That's all self-inflicted though and I'm (trying) to stick to a budget to make myself feel better about it.

My wife's opinion? As long as I'm paying the bills and having fun, she's happy.

I think about all the money I've spend on toy soldiers, then I consider that my girlfriend buys a tiny make-up bottle for $40. Then I care quite a large amount less. My friends buy cigarettes for like $10 for a tiny pack, or alcohol for $3.50 a pint. Again, makes me care a lot less about the amount I spend on my hobbies.
At least you can re-sell warhammer, you can't resell beer.

I make no bones about it, everyone I know understands that it is in my blood, its part of me, and it will be in my life long after they no longer are.

You don't live your life by other people standards, if your hobbies bring you joy and do not cause harm or endanger you lifestyle, or financial obligations, then it is nobodies business what you spend your money on, be it family, friends, coworkers.

Do what makes you happy and enjoy what you can.

I am the sole income provider for my family and have purchased two warhound titans, own a huge apocalypse space marine army, and am currently building a tyranid army.

I have a job that supports my family, allows us to pay our bills, save, and do fun things....it also allows for me to continue to take part in this hobby.

Tell your cousin to get a better job and stop being jealous just because he has lingering regret over his life decisions

We all work to enjoy life! and for some of us that enjoyment is all about our hobby, I have made some of my best friends and talk to the most amazingly witty and charismatic people right here on Dakka! I do not smoke, drink or do drugs so that's usually my response if anyone questions my frivolity in spending on these plastic toys! I choose to spend the money I save when I have enough to buy models without putting myself or partner in financial trouble.

Never mind the buzzcocks.

In response to him if it were me I'd send the SAHD a nice frilly pink and white apron with a note saying, "I wanted to make sure you had a new one since you might not be able to afford it. Love ya Bro."

But I guess it depends on the kind of relationship you have with your brother. Hehe!

Griddlelol wrote:I think about all the money I've spend on toy soldiers, then I consider that my girlfriend buys a tiny make-up bottle for $40. Then I care quite a large amount less. My friends buy cigarettes for like $10 for a tiny pack, or alcohol for $3.50 a pint. Again, makes me care a lot less about the amount I spend on my hobbies.
At least you can re-sell warhammer, you can't resell beer.

Cant resell makeup either, and it expires fairly quickly.
Part of the reason i dislike girls that wear excessive makeup. A little is fine but usually they dont need it anyway (and if they do, makeup wont help at that point lol).

Gotta love how "cheap" this hobby feels when you think about these other "cheap" purchases lol.

 nerdfest09 wrote:
We all work to enjoy life! and for some of us that enjoyment is all about our hobby, I have made some of my best friends and talk to the most amazingly witty and charismatic people right here on Dakka! I do not smoke, drink or do drugs so that's usually my response if anyone questions my frivolity in spending on these plastic toys! I choose to spend the money I save when I have enough to buy models without putting myself or partner in financial trouble.

I always wondered how you people do it . How is it possible to earn enough money for one parent to not work at all and have enough cash to spend on non daily need things. I understand that you earn a lot more , but wouldnt that automaticly mean that the up keep cost of a family is bigger too as are the taxs ? When I was in UK last summer visiting my aunt , I saw how much stuff like sneekers or jeans cost there , I would have to run around in a plastic bag If I wanted to live there . As an example good new shoes or brand jeans cost 3-4 times less here and that is for the guys versions . When I saw jeans for 400 pounds my first thought was , how much gold thread used for it .

Makumba wrote:
. When I saw jeans for 400 pounds my first thought was , how much gold thread used for it .

Believe it or not, but not all people buy such things. I'm quite happy with my 20 pound jeans from the discount store.

Although i refuse to buy from a thrift store(Im sorry, somoone else wore those clothes) I still shop cheap.
And i look great in most of the clothes I wear.

Well, We have no kids, only dogs which helps! and my partner works full time too, our purpose is to look after ourselves financially and sensibly so that we can pay off the mortgage in another 10-15 years and then use our savings and any disposable income on helping others when we can by donating regularly to charity or doing volunteer work around the globe! but until such time arises, we still use our earnings to enjoy life, and for me that enjoyment is collecting 40k! :-)

My Dad, as mechanic and someone that worked his ass off for everything he has now, never really understood the whole 40K thing. I understand it though, as he is a very practically minded person who had to make do with very little for a long time.

Over time hes gotten better, and now that im 20 and still playing and painting I believe he gets it, but still screws with me or gives me a hard time to keep up appearences lol.

Its all about the math, you pay for 60 dollars for a model, and get if you want 10+ hours painting it and an infinite amount of time playing it. Its an investment that is worth it because of the level of use that is taken from it.

I feel you though, alot of my "stoner buddies" dont get it at all, and wonder why i just wouldnt buy more weed with the money I spend on Warhammer. Some people though. Its all about perspective.

People will happily go out and spend money on booze, eating at restaurants, movie theaters, renting movies, cable telivision, video games, dvd boxed sets, current fashionable cloths, a new cell phone, electronic gadgets, pets, landscaping, sports tickets, lottery tickets, big screen tv's, satalite radio for their cars, netflix, magazine subscriptions, cigerettes, etc

I don't spend money on any of that stuff, (well I do buy a some videogames every now and then), I buy little plastic space men, brushes and paint.

Which I pay for exclusively with plasma donations.

It makes me happy and anyone who gives me gak for it will get pelted with bits of old spru and empty paint bottles while I sing the praises of a bloody fisted god.

I am fairly young and my family and i aren't in the best financial situation but i really got into this hobby so i did what i had to to make it possible. Its not like you cant budget out a couple bucks here and there to spend on the hobby instead of a latte or something. Plus I managed to find a network of friends who i can trade with to keep costs down.

Sometimes i do feel kind of guilty but then i just have to remind myself that people waste their money on all kinds of crap i just choose to waste mine on painting plastic dudes.

Makumba wrote:
I always wondered how you people do it . How is it possible to earn enough money for one parent to not work at all and have enough cash to spend on non daily need things. I understand that you earn a lot more , but wouldnt that automaticly mean that the up keep cost of a family is bigger too as are the taxs ? When I was in UK last summer visiting my aunt , I saw how much stuff like sneekers or jeans cost there , I would have to run around in a plastic bag If I wanted to live there . As an example good new shoes or brand jeans cost 3-4 times less here and that is for the guys versions . When I saw jeans for 400 pounds my first thought was , how much gold thread used for it .

I'm stateside, so I don't deal with EU costs, but I'm supporting a family of 3 on a little under $40k a year. We're debt free, except our house; we cook at home as much as possible; we don't have cable (we do have Netflix, though); and we save for things we can't afford. It's not always easy, but it's doable.

Hi all.
The table top minature wargame hobby , is a massively positive experience for many people.
It helps people develop creative artistic and social skills.

It has been my hobby for the past 3 decades, and I loved every second of it...And can defend this great hobby any time any place any where ,to anyone!

However , the problem lies with GW pricing policy IMO.
Currently GW retail prices are at least DOUBLE , what they should be charging, if they did not have to prop up their retail chain of B&M stores.

All the great stuff, the background and asthetic of 40k, was developed years ago.

I built up 3 (SM, Orks and CSM.) armies for 40k simply from buying up unwanted minis from children dumping 40k after a few months!Then cleaning and selling them on with 'decent table top standard' paint jobs!
The most I spent on an army was £100.(For Orks.)
I played 40k from 1989 to 2010.

But the excessive use of special rules to pimp the latest releases, just detracted from the the game play too much for me.

Mr T Kirby has changed my favorite game setting in to his personal pension fund.

I can totally understand how the 40k background and artistry inspires lots of people.

But GWs miss management of its products and customer base is simply undefendable,Even GW plc corperate don't bother anymore!

Wrong thread for the GW rant, but I agree that it can be a super positive hobby in someone's life.

my father is an avid bass fisherman. goes to tournaments, etc.

His bassboat alone costs more than any number of armies I may own in my life. (over 15k for it) One of his fishing rods cost over a $100 without the reel (another 60 easy) he owns several (competitively they rig each rod with a different style of bait to cover any possible situation)

would he be shamed for being wasteful? of course not. yet his spending on his hobby puts him well out of my league in costs, and yet its really not a survival thing, we would just fish with nets or live bait if need be.

The average gun collector spends thousands annually on guns/ammo.

So how much is my army in comparison? well the painting side is more expensive for me due to the airbrush rig and paint sets I've aquired, but I also lend out my skills to others for trade/money so that will become zero sum in time. Much of my Ork army was aquired this way I've spent somewhere close to 600 bucks with the rest aquired in paintwork and tourney winnings. so between actual models and art supplies i've spent close to 1k. Compare to most peoples hobbies and its a drop in the bucket.

When people look at me for my odd habit, i just laugh. owning an AK may be nice for you, but all you can do with it is tell people you have one and shoot it a few times a year, compare that to something I can enjoy every week.

Paitryn wrote:
my father is an avid bass fisherman. goes to tournaments, etc.

His bassboat alone costs more than any number of armies I may own in my life. (over 15k for it) One of his fishing rods cost over a $100 without the reel (another 60 easy) he owns several (competitively they rig each rod with a different style of bait to cover any possible situation)

would he be shamed for being wasteful? of course not. yet his spending on his hobby puts him well out of my league in costs, and yet its really not a survival thing, we would just fish with nets or live bait if need be.

The average gun collector spends thousands annually on guns/ammo.

So how much is my army in comparison? well the painting side is more expensive for me due to the airbrush rig and paint sets I've aquired, but I also lend out my skills to others for trade/money so that will become zero sum in time. Much of my Ork army was aquired this way I've spent somewhere close to 600 bucks with the rest aquired in paintwork and tourney winnings. so between actual models and art supplies i've spent close to 1k. Compare to most peoples hobbies and its a drop in the bucket.

When people look at me for my odd habit, i just laugh. owning an AK may be nice for you, but all you can do with it is tell people you have one and shoot it a few times a year, compare that to something I can enjoy every week.

We can paint every night, and at worst we're called lazy and antisocial. If an AK owner cleaned his gun every night, people would start to worry.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so, some exposition here. Im giddy about the new tau release, so im kinda sharing it. I have some 40k friends on FB so when i got the riptide ordered i posted that i got it. I posted a link and pic to the model to show my 40k friends.
But my cousin saw it. Now my cousin is married, struggling(not really, he still has plenty of money,just not for the things he) with two young girls. He saw it, clicked the link and saw the price. He is now shaming me for spending "85$ on plastic crap" and gloating about it. Im not gloating, i just wanted my friends to see what i got.
I tried to explain to him even more what it was for like how i use it for a game where I use my other models, but know he is just being mean saying things like
"y'know my girls will never be able to afford this" or things like "Why dont you put it in savings(as a note, i put 100$ in savings each month)" and even how i should be focused on school.
Its starting a grind me, i dont like being shamed for my hobby.
So i have to wonder. Does anyone else ever get shamed for playing 40k? or feel guilty? Sometimes i do.

I am a grad student in California, a state where post-grad students have an employment rate less than 50%, and even lower within their desired field. I earn barely enough money to buy a box once every month or two (at least it gives me tons of time to paint the models). If ANYONE ever bothered to lecture me on how I spent the money I earned, I will slap them. It's my money, I'll spend it how I bloody spend it. If your poor cousin with kids decides to lecture you, tell him to shove it. If it was money he gave you, fine, he can nag at you. If it ain't, tell him to go blow it.

Even with the price increases in 40k over the recent years, they are still a better investment than most other items you could be buying. A 40k army will last you a decade before the majority of models are phased out in utility, and I know a couple folks that still run some pewter IG valhallans and such; the models themselves will last you three times longer than a laptop, five times longer than an iPhone, and still be cheaper than both. Utility-wise, a hobby is the best stress relief. You get to relax and game once a week or so, take some stress off; it's cheaper than beer or cigarettes over the long run and better than visiting a headshrinker who tells you you have issues. The fact you have friends on FB to share this kind of stress relief with... tell your cousin to mind his own business and keep his poorness to himself. I don't shove my poor people problems down my 40k friends throats; I keep my jealousy that they can all buy their full Tau armies on release date to myself, and instead I just paint my models better and enjoy what I do.

My hobbies are cheap compared to some of the people I know, and I am very glad to point it out to them and how fething nerdy they are for their hobby investments when they try to claim that I'm a nerd for mine.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so, some exposition here. Im giddy about the new tau release, so im kinda sharing it. I have some 40k friends on FB so when i got the riptide ordered i posted that i got it. I posted a link and pic to the model to show my 40k friends.
But my cousin saw it. Now my cousin is married, struggling(not really, he still has plenty of money,just not for the things he) with two young girls. He saw it, clicked the link and saw the price. He is now shaming me for spending "85$ on plastic crap" and gloating about it. Im not gloating, i just wanted my friends to see what i got.
I tried to explain to him even more what it was for like how i use it for a game where I use my other models, but know he is just being mean saying things like
"y'know my girls will never be able to afford this" or things like "Why dont you put it in savings(as a note, i put 100$ in savings each month)" and even how i should be focused on school.
Its starting a grind me, i dont like being shamed for my hobby.
So i have to wonder. Does anyone else ever get shamed for playing 40k? or feel guilty? Sometimes i do.

Ask him if he wants some haterade to go with that jelly sandwich.

gak yeah. im 14 and just about everyone at school "hates me" (im a fat midget)
ive had models stomped ( a particularly painful example is a termie sergeant that is now a grey smudge)
ive had my box of models hung on the flag pole (multiple times)
I even had a book thrown on top of a building (although that was halo), also a second book was stolen months ago and I haven't got it back yet. the one the roof got rained on and now resides in a garbage truck.

My brother tried to give me grief over my 40k hobby. I turned around and asked him how much of HIS money he had put into his kids soccer coaching hobby this year alone? He responded with an itemized list of around 600$+. New practice balls, practice nets, goals (his son just moved to a size 5 ball this year) jerseys, practice jerseys, uniforms, bags.....etc. I am sure you get the picture. I then compared the lifetime of his spending, a few, two, three years max, to the expected lifespan of my 40k collection....5+. Around the same amount spent, none of mine was from essential money, as a matter of fact, 75% of mine was from Overtime and the other 25% was from recycled cans LOL. His.....our mom had to help him with gas for a month cause he overspent. After that, I started ignoring anyone who voices their opinion. I just tell them, opinions are like rear ends, everyone has one. Glad to see yours is that big!! Now excuse me please, I need to go paint my plastic toy army men, so I can try to beat my 10 year old this week on the table.

Great thread--thanks for the read guys.

To be honest everything I wanted to say has already been said.

For the most part I don't advertise my participation in the hobby.

The majority of people out there have zero interest in models and can't understand that it can be quite an expensive hobby.

I usually do my 40k gaming after work and bring my KR bag with me... its a bit bigger than my usual laptop messenger bag so coworkers ask what's in it. I don't go into details - I just say it has some models in it that have a tabletop game associated with it.

I've only had a few people say it was a bit crazy to spend this kind of money on little plastic soldiers, but it doesn't take much to make them quiet down.

You drop $1000-2000 on an army and it = countless hours painting, modelling, and gaming.

There are plenty of people out there who drop that same amount of money every year on a new gaming pc or others who don't mind paying $300 for a pair of jeans. When you bring things into perspective, most people realize they spend crazy amounts of money on things that bring them much less joy.

funny thing, had some tyranids (gene stealers and gaunts) at school and got in trouble for having "satanic" looking toys. the deputy confiscated them, called my mother, and told me that the devil is not funny. when I told her I was atheist she looked like she was going to slap me. when my mum got there, the deputy asked if she was satanic (shes catholic) and when asked why showed my mother the models. my mum looked at them, all clutched in the deputies hand. then looked at me. then the deputy. and then began giggling realy loudly. it was AWESOME!
I got suspended and mum bought me ice-cream for not calling the women a stupid....(don't ask why). best trip to the office in my life.

the shrouded lord wrote:
funny thing, had some tyranids (gene stealers and gaunts) at school and got in trouble for having "satanic" looking toys. the deputy confiscated them, called my mother, and told me that the devil is not funny. when I told her I was atheist she looked like she was going to slap me. when my mum got there, the deputy asked if she was satanic (shes catholic) and when asked why showed my mother the models. my mum looked at them, all clutched in the deputies hand. then looked at me. then the deputy. and then began giggling realy loudly. it was AWESOME!
I got suspended and mum bought me ice-cream for not calling the women a stupid....(don't ask why). best trip to the office in my life.

Even if they were satanic, shouldn't that be covered under the whole freedom of religious expression in schools thing?

I've had a couple of people talk about the whole money thing, I just ask them how much they spend on alcohol/cigarettes/sport stuff/etc. and they shut up real fast.

I don't try and justify me or my wife's spending habits to normal people.

If they think I'm a nutjob hiding away in my soviet doom fortress then so be it.

No, but I don't bother talking about gaming to non-nerds anyway. They don't care, and I don't care for their opinions about it.

Your cousin sounds like my grandmother, bitter and jealous. I never listen to what she says either. The hell. Just one bar night is easily a battlewagon or more, or a few days worth of food max.

All my non-wargaming friends know that I play, collect and paint "Toy Soldiers". Nobody gives a damn if I'm perfectly honest.

Most of my friends spend ~£100 a month on make-up anyway, they couldn't really have a go at my hobby spending habits even if they wanted to

If people do look down on my hobby (of which there have been more than plenty) my general response is for them to stick things where there is little solar resonance. That's basically what it comes down to, some people are asshats and instead of getting hung-up over it, I choose to ignore them.

Iranna.

I've had models neglected by people who I know when they come into the FLGS when I'm playing a game. They don't understand that it is my hobby which I enjoy doing - not theirs. I'm not interested in super violent xbox games that involve gunning people down for the fun of it - but I don't go to their house and scratch their discs or break their controllers. Tabletop gaming is one of the best hobbies I have ever invested in, in my opinion, they are missing out!

2013 is my wife and I's first year of gaming/40k and we've probably spent close to $1500 on it (And with the Nid codex coming Im sure that figure is going up)

But what we've gotten is a fun hobby we both love that we can play at home with our toddler running around in the same room as us. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

"Plastic crap"? Heresy!

At high school there was a bit of a stigma associated with playing 40k, but nothing too serious (I'm a sufficiently well-rounded individual to get along with most social groups, as is most of my playing group), and most of that was due to the price of the models. Funnily enough, the most flak came from a bloke who spent several thousand on two or three bicycles for road racing. He seemed to think that because 40k isn't a sport, we were wasting our money. What he didn't take into account was that we derived as much pleasure from discussing Space Marines and Orks as he did from discussing carbon fibre bike frames.

At university, I've had no grief whatsoever regarding 40k, and this is while living in a residential college with models displayed on shelves, and painting with the door open for anyone who walks past to see. Most people are astounded that I can even paint that sort of detail (I'm only at a reasonable tabletop standard), and are generally impressed by the artwork and fluff if they ask enough questions for me to show them a codex. The hardest part is trying to explain how the game works, I end up at the old "It's like chess... but way more in-depth" standby. A few people say that they used to play as kids. I just joke that I haven't grown up yet. There certainly isn't shame involved at any point.

People spend their (ideally spare) money on whatever ultimately pointless activity keeps them happy for hours at a time. I don't pretend that playing 40k will achieve anything beyond my own happiness (and that of my opponents and the local club, I guess), but that doesn't worry me in the slightest. As has been stated, buying models is a one-off investment for a lifetime's usage (barring tournament fees, but that's no real hardship compared to what other interests charge), making 40k relatively cheap.

I'd rather buy a couple of Heldrakes, a Valkyrie or two, and some Heavy Weapons Teams than the latest iPhone, put it that way. Other people would take the iPhone... but at least my models would still be cool two years down the line .

 Rysaer wrote:
My response to most of these: Feth Off.

That is the best response you could give in a case like this: It's your money; You earned it; You decide on how to spend it!

And I am too mature to start making up reasons to why it's "not that much".
Because Warhammer is expensive and it is a lot of money, but it is my money.
I pay my bills, I buy my food and at the end of the money the spare cash goes to the pub and to my hobbies.

Tell him he's a financial idiot for putting $100 in savings a month and that is why he is struggling. That money should be invested in something with an interest rate above .1%.

Your cousin sounds like a self righteous a**hole

Another hotsauceman1 "Help me deal with this person I have an incredibly insignificant problem with"-thread.

Just explain to him that it's you that spends the money on Riptides, and not him. That doesn't seem to be clear to the guy.

Good luck to you both.

People made fun of me for playing with toy miniatures. I usually just smile, sarcastic laugh, and keep doing what im doing. To each their own. Although sometimes a good Feth off really does the soul good.

Do not let anyone, and i mean anyone shame you for doing something you enjoy! everyone has a hobby that helps them feel better have fun hang with friends. my mom has given me a hard time about how much my models cost and i pointed out to her that her stamping/card making collection has costed her around $1500-2000 most people have spent more on their hobbies then they realize. as long as you are not going overboard with it and causing yourself financial debt or something like that, there is NO shame in playing 40k or how much you spend on it. If your friends make fun of you and treat you like crap for spending $ on something you enjoy, get new friends. I am a about as nerdy as can be, I speak some japanese, watch anime, collect comics, play DnD and im in the army as a medical lab tech and beleive me everyone in the army rags oneachother (usually in a fun way) and even they don't give me a hard time for spending $ on my hobbies.

My honest opinion is that he is jealous and bitter that he can't afford or doesn't have the time to dedicate to a hobby any more since he had a kid.

If he really gave a crap about what you do with your money, he'd already know you put money away each month for savings.

I just tell people I paint in my spare time.

It makes me sound artsy and intelligent.

When meeting with friends or, for a better effect, with family members or, bonus points, his wife / fiancee / girlfriend, get you two in a heated discussion if he brings it up and then, when both of you are angry, yell "Still better than the 60$ you gave that fething whore Stacy (or w/e name) 2 years ago (or whatever period of time since he's together with his better half) to [vulgar expresison for a blowjob]!" Then look baffled first, make a scared + sad face and quietly tell you're sorry for bringing this up.

If you manage to pull this off in a believable way, you won.

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
I just tell people I paint in my spare time.

It makes me sound artsy and intelligent.

This. People usually think that's pretty neat.

Well I find that within my group of peers, there are not many people who play the game, and because of that if I ever talked about it it would come across a bit nerdy.

I may not talk about it much, but at home this is what dominates my spare time and I see it as a good thing. Most of my friends just play video games like COD and shootem' up games, but the way I see it is that I do the same just in real life and it is much, much cooler with so much about it to discover

Just explain to your cousin that what he is saying is offensive and that you are allowed to have a hobby and have the right to share it with people. If he hassles you anymore just ignore him

Bha, I wish my cousin was like that.

In my case its my freaking parents. most of my family can't seem to respect any hobby other then their own.


Best method I silenced them so far is asking them "what is the name of the game", then after they didn't know I said "and as you dont have a clue about it-you just lost the right for an opinion."
All is temporary though, they keep harassing after a while.

At least my friends are cool with it, ranging from "whatever man, seems silly." to "awesome"

Ask him how much that new set of golf clubs are.

I first got in to 40k i n my first job when I had just turned nineteen, it was something I'd wanted to do for years.

One of my Co workers who was pushing 37 thought it was the funniest thing he'd ever seen. He was one of those men who think their teenagers, constantly hity on girls in their early twenties and flexing muscles whenever he could. He'd bring it up every single day, he'd make a "joke" or hurtful remark at least once an hour. He'd also try to steal stuff I bought in my lunch breaks etc.

Like it's been said before, telling him to feth off soon shut him up. Don't let anyone make you feel bad for doing the things you enjoy, it's your money, no one has any right to make any negative judgement of you simply because you like what you like. Be proud of it.

Usually though, when new people find out about it I never make a big deal of it, simply because it isn't one. If they want to see my stuff I'll show them my forgefiend and more impressive conversions. One time I met a girl at a party in my dorm who saw my stuff when she went in my room, we ended up assembling Chaos Space marines together until 4am.

This hobby is magical.

I get made fun of for a lot of things, but oddly enough 40k is not one of them. Generally, most people who know I do it find it interesting or make no comment about it, although that may be because the people who would 'shame' me for it don't get to know me well enough to know I play it in the first place. My reaction in your place would simply be to ignore him or, if a conversation is inevitable, just go along with him with something along the lines of "yeah I guess it is expensive and kinda childish, but I find it pretty fun." Often times, partially agreeing with someone is all you need to do to get them to shut up, and if it's someone you don't plan on talking to often, that's all you need.

I find that people who tell you "you're wasting money/time" are almost always huge hypocrites. Nearly everyone spends their money/time on something that is not a survival necessity, just because gameing/nerd hobbies ect are not what they spend their resources on they judge it. I would ask him what he spend his time and money doing, if he can't connect the dots and realize he is doing the exact same thing as you just with a different focus then it's not worth your time to fight that battle. Just ignore the haters, as long as you are not neglecting your legit responsibilities (kids/job/school/relationships or what have you) do what makes you happy.

I've never understood people who feel the need to shame you for enjoying something. If it's something that makes you happy and it does no harm to them, what business is it of theirs? They can say that they wish they had the money to express their interests in things like this, but they shouldn't say that someone that has the financial freedom to game like this is wrong because they themselves don't. I bought my first house earlier this year as well as my first 40k army (Orks, of course). Now after buying a house I wasn't really in the best financial position but I was careful about it and put together a budget that allowed me to buy what I needed for the army over time without dipping into savings and everything worked out fine. I'll admit there were times I proooobably shouldn't have been spending money on the Leman Russ that I used as the base for my Looted Wagon or the extra Lootas I needed or this or that, but I made the choice to do so and that was my choice (or mistake, depending on your point of view) to make. It didn't bankrupt me, it did no harm to anyone, and in the end it brought enjoyment to me and my friends. What is so wrong about that?

Now, if you choose to start a family then you accept certain responsibilities and limitations on what you can do with your money, that's understandable. However, that doesn't mean that someone else that chooses to not have kids at this point in their life is wrong for not adhering to the same financial boundaries that they took on with their choice to have a family. It certainly doesn't give them the right to be spiteful towards others who are not bogged down by the same situation. Owning a home, I don't have the same financial freedom I did before so I can't do quite as much gaming as I would have wanted, but that doesn't make me try to bring down those that are able to game more due to them having less responsibilities. I can certainly express longing for the same freedom that they have, but I made the choice to be in this position and it is up to me to work within the boundaries I put myself in to still be able to do what I can with what I have when it comes to gaming. That's just the nature of life.

And let's be honest here. If anyone looks at the Riptide and doesn't think it's incredibly badass (or at least can appreciate it for being an impressive looking model), that's someone who's opinion I do not care about. Hell, I know people that actively hate Tau but still jaw dropped at how awesome the Riptide looked.

But I digress. In the end, gaming is something that definitely has real value. There is so much that gaming does for so many people. There are stories to be told in gaming that otherwise would find no vehicle to be expressed. There are friendships being forged through it. There are powerful experiences happening every day because of gaming. As Wil Wheaton once said, gaming has been the foundation of the greatest friendships I have ever had. Some people just can't see the value in it. They find value in other things, but that doesn't give them the right to say that people who find value in gaming or in anything else are wrong because we don't fit into the very limiting bubble that they live in themselves. That's just my opinion. I'll get off the soap box now.

Not a waste- I buy a dirtbike new for minimum 8000 CAD, then I have to do maintenance, keep the fluids topped up, invest parts and fill it with gas. So im looking at around 10000 CAD a year for one of my hobbies. Let alone insurance on top for a 20 year old with a competition spec motorcycle.

Plus I need a place to ride and all the gear and safety equipment that goes with it.

And thats why I never bitch about Games Workshop prices, there are much more expensive hobbies, and you don't need to be in one if you cant afford it.

For those who are getting a hard time, which, not in the least coincidentally, seem to be the younger players, I have a message.

It Gets Better.

Seriously, as you get older, what people think about you means a lot less to you, your friends will accept you for who you are and not what you do or what you own (unlike school) and you generally have more income to spend, and will generally be taken more seriously in life. This means you can organise events, start clubs etc and will have the means and the ability to execute it properly and take it to a conclusion.

One word of caution though, it is a very human thing to want to share something you're passionate about. As you get older, you start to get a feel for this, but when you are younger it is very easy to get carried away, and end up feeding somebody all the ammo they need to shoot you down mercilessly.

When you're in the company of muggles, play it cool, answer any questions with the least amount of info required to be polite and don't make out like its a big deal.

The girl you just met doesn't care about the time you rolled 3 6s for armour saves and the following turn hit and wounded with all your attacks and made your opponent run away. (Well, unless you're really lucky!) She might care that you're the sort of person who takes part in a hobby that requires a huge investment of time and money, requires creativity and practical skills and a dedication to constant improvement.

 azreal13 wrote:
For those who are getting a hard time, which, not in the least coincidentally, seem to be the younger players, I have a message.

It Gets Better.

Seriously, as you get older, what people think about you means a lot less to you, your friends will accept you for who you are and not what you do or what you own (unlike school) and you generally have more income to spend, and will generally be taken more seriously in life. This means you can organise events, start clubs etc and will have the means and the ability to execute it properly and take it to a conclusion.

One word of caution though, it is a very human thing to want to share something you're passionate about. As you get older, you start to get a feel for this, but when you are younger it is very easy to get carried away, and end up feeding somebody all the ammo they need to shoot you down mercilessly.

When you're in the company of muggles, play it cool, answer any questions with the least amount of info required to be polite and don't make out like its a big deal.

The girl you just met doesn't care about the time you rolled 3 6s for armour saves and the following turn hit and wounded with all your attacks and made your opponent run away. (Well, unless you're really lucky!) She might care that you're the sort of person who takes part in a hobby that requires a huge investment of time and money, requires creativity and practical skills and a dedication to constant improvement.

This, a thousand times this.

Funnily enough there used to be some in my company that was like this, I would chat with my battles about my IG and the hobby itself and every time they overheard us talking about it they would have some smart remark about wasting my time and money on plastic toys while they were out with all the ladies "mind you, all of us are married. including them". Eventually some senior NCOs came to our company and they also were into 40k, so here i am with my wife, friends, and leadership enjoying my hobby, while the naysayers eventually got caught philandering and now have to worry about stitching their marriage back together. I just goes to show that you should never EVER feel bad about warhammer, just be smart with your budget and enjoy it. The folks that want to harass you will get theirs in time because as we all know, The Emperor protects.

At where i work, there are several people that think my wargaming hobby is a videogame of some kind, despite me having told them what it is to the point of giving up.
As far as being ashamed? I take certain inspiration from this:



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in addition, it's very liberating to declare yourself as a geek. In the last base I was at, I made a stand and wasn't shy about my passion for what may not be mainstream. it turned out that i became a beacon for everyone else, invites to D&D groups, gaming nights. Ultimately, you honesty will gather people you want around you.

I'll make the simple suggestion that you stop caring about what others think about how you spend your money / time.

In the end, the only person you'll ever need to answer to for your choices, is you.

The only people you should accept advice or criticism from are those that you genuinely admire.

I dont think this is as much being shamed as it is feeling a little shamed on my own. But I was babysitting my 5 year old niece so she came over to play with my 1 year old son. My son had to take a nap so I put him to sleep and my niece and I went downstairs so it would be quieter. Downstairs is my man-cave. My ps3, flat screen, surround sound, all my board games, dice, dnd stuff and of course my Orks and Black Templars. She saw the orks and thought they were kind of cool and got a couple of the warbikers off the shelf. (I wasn't too worried about her breaking them).

Then she asked "Did you play with these when you were a kid?" I laughed and said "I played with these yesterday"

she stopped what she was doing, looked at me and just said "...oh" and then went to go play with something else.

she stopped what she was doing, looked at me and just said "...oh" and then went to go play with something else.

Fun , a 5 y old girl can shame a grown man . A boy/man has to be at least 10+ to do it counciously .

I've got two kids and we dont always have a lot of money to spend but thats because we usually blow it on doing things the kids want to do. I prioritize my expenses, sometimes my kids or wife get the cash, sometimes my nids do.

To my great shame i have always felt ashamed and i kick myself every time for it. My Girlfriend or family has never given me stick for it, hell she paid to come to Games Day last year! but i can never admit it to my mates. How would you mention the subject?

Start of with video games, they're a good lead in since the tabletop is where all gaming started from centuries ago.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so, some exposition here. Im giddy about the new tau release, so im kinda sharing it. I have some 40k friends on FB so when i got the riptide ordered i posted that i got it. I posted a link and pic to the model to show my 40k friends.
But my cousin saw it. Now my cousin is married, struggling(not really, he still has plenty of money,just not for the things he) with two young girls. He saw it, clicked the link and saw the price. He is now shaming me for spending "85$ on plastic crap" and gloating about it. Im not gloating, i just wanted my friends to see what i got.
I tried to explain to him even more what it was for like how i use it for a game where I use my other models, but know he is just being mean saying things like
"y'know my girls will never be able to afford this" or things like "Why dont you put it in savings(as a note, i put 100$ in savings each month)" and even how i should be focused on school.
Its starting a grind me, i dont like being shamed for my hobby.
So i have to wonder. Does anyone else ever get shamed for playing 40k? or feel guilty? Sometimes i do.

Your cousin is obviously jealous of your ability to enjoy your hobby. If you get joy from it who cares what anyone else thinks? The only reason someone is able to make you feel bad about your choices is if you let them. Sounds like you save money each month, enjoy your hobby and wanted to share your enjoyment with your friends. I see ZERO reason for shame in any of that. He can rant all he wants, but his jealousy is no reason for you to doubt your own life and choices. If he doesn't stop, just start deleting his comments from your wall on FB. Your wall, your rules. In my regular mini gaming crew for 40k most of the others are married with children these days. I used to be married, but I'm not anymore. Sure they see me buying the new toys and wish they could, but they aren't going to denigrate me just because our life circumstances are different these days. If I had kids that is where my money would be going to, but I don't so it doesn't. It is that simple.

I've been gaming for a good 36 years of life now and have had plenty of people during that time trying to embarrass me for my hobbies in some way. Early on I was bothered by it, but eventually I hit a point in life in general where other people's opinions of things I enjoyed/liked just didn't matter to me when all that had were negative comments to make. Go out. Enjoy your hobby. Have fun building and using your new Riptide and file away your cousin's actions as the jealous rantings that they are and you'll be much happier.

Skriker

so my cousin stopped. but something else. my family is now giving me crap for going ro vegas for the LVO. Mostly because my sister got into a lease she cant afford, so they want to use my dads entire 401k to bail her out, and his life insurance. ecen though it is supposed to be split into thirds and givencto each kid. im supposed to give up my trip so my sister can get out of a jam she got herself into

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
so my cousin stopped. but something else. my family is now giving me crap for going ro vegas for the LVO. Mostly because my sister got into a lease she cant afford, so they want to use my dads entire 401k to bail her out, and his life insurance. ecen though it is supposed to be split into thirds and givencto each kid. im supposed to give up my trip so my sister can get out of a jam she got herself into

Well this one seems a bit different than being shamed. This comes down to family and family support. If my parents needed something from me, monetarily, I would have to oblige. They raised me, bought me stuff, took care of me. I can't imagine how much money they spent on me. Well now that i have a kid of my own I am starting to realize. But if they needed money to help out my sister, even if I didn't like my sister, I think some sacrifices would be in order. Sure your sister did it to herself, but if she can't count on family to help her, who can she count on.

I should probably stop here, because I don't know your family and your relationships could be be completely different than mine.

40k is no more expensive than many other hobbies, such as console gaming (which is the most common in our demographic) but there's also other collectors hobbies, where things like movie posters, baseball cards and other stuff run over $200 USD.

Also any alcohol drinkers and/or smokers should tally up what they spend each month. It's crazy.

 Flak88 wrote:
To my great shame i have always felt ashamed and i kick myself every time for it. My Girlfriend or family has never given me stick for it, hell she paid to come to Games Day last year! but i can never admit it to my mates. How would you mention the subject?

I feel the same way. I have a few friends who are into Warhammer as well who I can talk to about it, but generally I don't tell people about my hobby. Most people don't understand it and I can't be bothered explaining it to them. I've got my models on a shelf beside me right now, in a week my girlfriend is having her friends round so I will put them away so they don't see them when she shows them around.

I always look around before going into the GW shop in Glasgow too, in case anyone I know sees me going in. It's strange, as I really don't have anything to be ashamed of,

 Icculus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
so my cousin stopped. but something else. my family is now giving me crap for going ro vegas for the LVO. Mostly because my sister got into a lease she cant afford, so they want to use my dads entire 401k to bail her out, and his life insurance. ecen though it is supposed to be split into thirds and givencto each kid. im supposed to give up my trip so my sister can get out of a jam she got herself into

Well this one seems a bit different than being shamed. This comes down to family and family support. If my parents needed something from me, monetarily, I would have to oblige. They raised me, bought me stuff, took care of me. I can't imagine how much money they spent on me. Well now that i have a kid of my own I am starting to realize. But if they needed money to help out my sister, even if I didn't like my sister, I think some sacrifices would be in order. Sure your sister did it to herself, but if she can't count on family to help her, who can she count on.

I should probably stop here, because I don't know your family and your relationships could be be completely different than mine.

The thing is, She can get out of this predicament easily if she just gets a job, but she doesn't want to get one. I feel bad. But I have my own life to live seperate form her. I just wany my fair shake of the money, and they are trying to deny me it. My brother can give him his share of anything he wants. But let me have mine, I have my own money problems.

Uh do you have a job? are independent? then you can do wtf you want with your money! As long as it keeps you off the streets and not smoking crack it's all good. And as long as you don't start racking up credit card debt.

I do get the same thing about my hobby, but I have an ace up my sleeve : in real life, I'm kinda scary, so people just accept it. And when they kinda start critizing my hobby, I give them my scary look, and then they just know that they are walking on a really thin ice and that they better keep their opinion for themself.
But on another note, others are just amazed that a regular (scary) guy can make these kind of things. I even have coworkers that ask me to make them a model or two for their birthday or for one of their kids.

I'm only 14, but even I have difficulty with the subject. Going into high school, people say the games stupid all the time. They never say Im stupid or lame, just the game. And I think, hell if they want to think the games lame, go for it. As long as they ain't calling me lame, I'm all cool. A little annoyed, for sure, but angry? Nah.

Also, I had a fried who said its all stupid and lame, now he plays orks and is trying to convince his friend the games not lame.

40k is much much funner for me than like that new phone. My phone works just fine, and I would rather buy a tank than buy something I don't really need with my already extremely small budget. Heck, I spend like 50 bucks every 3 months :(
But to others my age, thats a lot to spend on plastic lameness.

It's also amazingly nice to have something to talk about that never gets old. I mean, when I'm in English for 1 and a half hours, I get bored. Then I can talk about the endlessly fascinating hobby and fluff and gaming that's 40k. Alot better than learning about flipping adding pronouns.

My boss at work gave me a lot of grief when I first started working in the lab, "comic books are for 13yr olds, you're 30!" and then he had a field day when he found out I played 40K.

He didn't like it when I said the average age of comic book readers are in their 40's, and that look at the success of Iron Man, The Avengers, Batman etc to show that comic books are mainstream as hell!

He enjoys cricket and getting hammered every weekend - who's the sad individual?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
so my cousin stopped. but something else. my family is now giving me crap for going ro vegas for the LVO. Mostly because my sister got into a lease she cant afford, so they want to use my dads entire 401k to bail her out, and his life insurance. ecen though it is supposed to be split into thirds and givencto each kid. im supposed to give up my trip so my sister can get out of a jam she got herself into

Gotta support the family when needed, bro. IMHO until the money is given directly to you it isn't actually yours in such situations. You might have room to gripe a bit if your sister *knowingly* signed a lease she coudln't afford, but if she lost her job, or had some other financial problem that caused the situation you can't necessarily be angry at her. Either way if you block the effort you become the family dick and then if you need the support of the family sometime in the future and odds are you will you can expect pretty much nada...

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 Sheokronath wrote:
One time I met a girl at a party in my dorm who saw my stuff when she went in my room, we ended up assembling Chaos Space marines together until 4am.

This hobby is magical.

OK...you had me until this line...no passing off dreams as reality! Unless "assembling chaos space marines" is the new college slang for banging like bonobos.

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ninjafiredragon wrote:
I'm only 14, but even I have difficulty with the subject. Going into high school, people say the games stupid all the time. They never say Im stupid or lame, just the game. And I think, hell if they want to think the games lame, go for it. As long as they ain't calling me lame, I'm all cool. A little annoyed, for sure, but angry? Nah.

Quite a mature approach for a 14 year old. Well done.

As for your other comments, yeah often the biggest opponents try something out and find out it is the most awesome thing ever. We've all known someone like that who has negative or even just snarky things to say about something we like and then one day you finally get them to try it out and they become an even bigger nerd about it than you were. Not only do you get a big moment of "I told you so!", but you also get a new gaming buddy as well.

Skriker

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 Icculus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
so my cousin stopped. but something else. my family is now giving me crap for going ro vegas for the LVO. Mostly because my sister got into a lease she cant afford, so they want to use my dads entire 401k to bail her out, and his life insurance. ecen though it is supposed to be split into thirds and givencto each kid. im supposed to give up my trip so my sister can get out of a jam she got herself into

Well this one seems a bit different than being shamed. This comes down to family and family support. If my parents needed something from me, monetarily, I would have to oblige. They raised me, bought me stuff, took care of me. I can't imagine how much money they spent on me. Well now that i have a kid of my own I am starting to realize. But if they needed money to help out my sister, even if I didn't like my sister, I think some sacrifices would be in order. Sure your sister did it to herself, but if she can't count on family to help her, who can she count on.

I should probably stop here, because I don't know your family and your relationships could be be completely different than mine.

The thing is, She can get out of this predicament easily if she just gets a job, but she doesn't want to get one. I feel bad. But I have my own life to live seperate form her. I just wany my fair shake of the money, and they are trying to deny me it. My brother can give him his share of anything he wants. But let me have mine, I have my own money problems.

While i truly do sympathize, unfortunately those assets are you father's until they are legally disbursed to you. He can do with them what you want.

Do not interpret this as me thinking its proper, right, or correct. It isn't if what you've presented is taken at face value (person gets into money troubles with no job, part of a future potential inheritance used to bail that person out).

I was in a similar situation with one of my parents ; irresponsible spending and loans far outweighing income led to me having to nearly wipe myself out financially to buy her house. Now i get to maintain and fix it (it was built in the 60's, joy) because "she has no money", yet there's weekly trips to local shopping outlets with bags and bags of unneeded stuff. The worst thing is that there's at least another 30k worth of work that needs to be done to get some grandfathered code items up to code, so it'll be a long time before i can sell it. Plus i have my own home mortgage, taxes, etc. Lot's of fun.

Mind you, there's two other brothers in the scenario too - neither one has lifted a finger to help in the last ten years when this all started. One had the balls to question my motives, and ask if i would split the houses proceeds when she passed on.

Your situation is not fair, but (and i don't meant this to be a jerk, honestly), life often isn't. I could have stood on principle, folded my arms, and told my mom "I told you so", and watch as she got moved into section 8 housing, knowing the whole time i had the power to stop it.

Sometimes with family, you don't do what really should be done, you do what is best for the person in the moment.


... very off topic that.

Back on topic somewhat... I think i've only been "shamed" once, and it was by the same person referenced above (ironically, shortly after the bailout). I had taken a few years off from gaming, and got back into it once i'd sort of seen my last days of bar crawling and tail chasing. The only comment made was "Oh, god, you're playing with toys again at your age?". A very short discussion to the tune of "feel free to judge my personal life decisions when your own are in order." was pretty much the first and last I ever heard of it.

All my friends are gamers by nature, though not all wargamers per se, so they're all cool with it. Been gaming on and off since I was five, so my family and friends all mostly realize that it's what i do. Also, never really cared if others disapproved. My money. I can do with it what i want, and buying armies for games is better than many other pursuits.

 Skriker wrote:

 Sheokronath wrote:
One time I met a girl at a party in my dorm who saw my stuff when she went in my room, we ended up assembling Chaos Space marines together until 4am.

This hobby is magical.

OK...you had me until this line...no passing off dreams as reality! Unless "assembling chaos space marines" is the new college slang for banging like bonobos.

Skriker

Reading it, I wouldn't believe it either, but she's coming over to my house next month to paint my Word Bearers with me.

She is ginger though. Can't have everything.

 the shrouded lord wrote:
gak yeah. im 14 and just about everyone at school "hates me" (im a fat midget)
ive had models stomped ( a particularly painful example is a termie sergeant that is now a grey smudge)
ive had my box of models hung on the flag pole (multiple times)
I even had a book thrown on top of a building (although that was halo), also a second book was stolen months ago and I haven't got it back yet. the one the roof got rained on and now resides in a garbage truck.

Holy Necro thread!

Your cousin has kids. They are fething expensive. ( I have 6, so I know). Of course he's jealous. He's jealous that you have the *time* to do something that you want without feeling guilty. Or he's just feeling the financial pressure of raising a family. Which can be absolutely incredible.

Truth be told $85 for a plastic model is just stupid.

However, so is spending $60 (US) to take the family to dinner...or $80 to put gas in a car. Heck, dropping $100 for a night out drinking or clubbing is silly as well. So you have some disposable income AND time to put it to use. Enjoy it to the full extent and don't let someone else bring you down

This is a good thread to read after a fairly flameworthy thread on cyber bullying.

Good read, keep your head up OP

I consider myself rather lucky. As I'm in a graphic college it's kinda mainstream. But you'll always get gak from the "bro"/asshat/Jersey Shore Zombie crowd, Their only hobby is stuffing themselves with alcoholic drinks the whole week through.

They are just jelly that they don't have a hobby that they can be as passionate about and express themselves. Don't listen to the haters

When ever someone asks how much i spent at my local store i just say "don't worry about it" drives them nuts

Yeah, everyone has given me crap for spending too much on "toy soldiers", but they buy atv's and boats, while I'm scrummaging for deals on ebay. My 6,000pt guard army only cost me about 200 bucks USA. Ebay is where it's at, and if everyone actually thinks I buy 40k at retail price, they're complete fools. I just think of it that way, I'll spend money on my hobby, you do the same with yours

This discussion boils down to a simple fact...

You can spend your cash on whatever you please, and nobody can stop you however much they moan....

And the moaners have their own hobbies etc that cost them money as well...

As I say I spend my money and you spend yours, you cannot complain... as long as the boring things in life are all paid first

I don't really get this problem at my school, because loads of people collect it.


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I don't really get this problem at my school, because loads of people collect it.

Honestly i don't see how one can be shamed for anything once he starts getting his own cash.
Before that i guess those giving him the cash have the right to complain.
I never felt shame and am constantly showing off my hobby, attempts to shame me have only ended up in me making others look douchey, which i love doing

I talk to most of my co-workers about it. Hell I fething play with my manager. And regular posts on my facebook are Wargaming related. So I feel absolutely no shame. And those that would try to would be entering a vipers nest.

So i have to wonder. Does anyone else ever get shamed for playing 40k? or feel guilty? Sometimes i do.

Nope. Work hard, earn your money, spend your money.

Darn, sound like a cheap 80s Reagan infomercial or something. Sorry.

Interesting read. Most of you are much braver than I am.

I have to admit that I’m one of the people that hide my hobby. It’s kind of unfortunate that I feel ashamed of it. I have a few close friends who also participate, but it will never be brought up in public with our friends who don’t play, it’s kept pretty hush hush between us ha-ha.

I don’t think it’s the shame of how I spend my money its more the fact that people just seem to see it as grown men (we are mid twenties) playing with toy soldiers. I even kept it a secret form my last girlfriend for several months until I finally felt I should break the news to her, and even then I made it sounds as if I do it mainly for the money (as I’d just sold a few armies for a few thousand dollars at the time) rather than me enjoying it as a hobby.

I think it comes down to the people you associate with as well, for instance my workplace is female dominated by quite young, competitive, ruthless women (marketing beauty products) as much as I’d love to pull out some minis and paint during lunch time I would be absolutely torn apart by them if I did. My friends on the other hand would probably only give me a little grief initially, but I know it isn’t something that would interest them so we just stick to things that we all mutually enjoy and have in common .

It's a hobby. Not a bad one at that.
The fact you have varied hobbies means you're better than the lowest of the low.
If people get on people for wholesome hobbies like painting Khornate Daemons to kill each other in glorious battle they can suck it and like it.
We as the 40k players have more income than most people and I know I rub it in people's faces. /

My two hobbies are beer and 40k. At the end of the month the models are still there.

Edit: @vossyvo. I've been in the same situation. It's difficult to explain 40k to people who don't know what it is. I've hid it from girlfriends and when I finally got tired of packing it all up into the closet when they would come over I would just tell them "yeah it was this thing I used to do as a kid and now all the models I have are worth a lot of money and when I paint them they are worth even more". Eventually they would figure out we were playing with toy soldiers and laugh at me. They weren't laughing when I broke up with them. My new girlfriend is the creative type and encourages it. It sure makes hanging out drinking beer on a Saturday night a lot easier.

40k is expensive for what it is but when you think of what people who criticize 40k spend their money on......

Wargaming is what we love. It is our hobby and it makes us happy. Embrace it.

 vossyvo wrote:
I think it comes down to the people you associate with as well, for instance my workplace is female dominated by quite young, competitive, ruthless women (marketing beauty products) as much as I’d love to pull out some minis and paint during lunch time I would be absolutely torn apart by them if I did. My friends on the other hand would probably only give me a little grief initially, but I know it isn’t something that would interest them so we just stick to things that we all mutually enjoy and have in common .

It really has nothing to do with the people you associate with and everything to do with your own self image and self confidence. Reading your post makes it clear that *you* think that there must be something wrong with your hobby because you hide it from others so readily as do your friends. With all the secrecy between you and your friends about it you'd think you were talking about secretly collecting naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine and not wargaming. Geesh...Who cares if the female dominated offce try to tear you apart? They are entiteld to their opinions and you are entitled to enjoy your hobby. It isn't bravery that makes such comments not matter, It is self confidence and awareness that your life is exactly that: YOUR life and you are free to live it as you choose. If you want to do wargaming then do it, enjoy it and have fun. If the people around you would berate you and ridicule you for your hobbies and the things that make you happy in life then they are most definitely NOT your friends in any way, shape or form. Move on and find other people to hang out with. There are plenty of gamers out there who need opponents and friends and also plenty of non-gamers who won't be bothered in the least by your gaming hobby to spend time with people who you feel you have to hide your hobby from.

Take a deep breath, embrace your inner gamer and ignore what the naysayers try to say about it.

Skriker

 the shrouded lord wrote:
gak yeah. im 14 and just about everyone at school "hates me" (im a fat midget)
ive had models stomped ( a particularly painful example is a termie sergeant that is now a grey smudge)
ive had my box of models hung on the flag pole (multiple times)
I even had a book thrown on top of a building (although that was halo), also a second book was stolen months ago and I haven't got it back yet. the one the roof got rained on and now resides in a garbage truck.

Mmm...don't take your stuff to school I think.
Working out and martial arts may be called for at this point to build up your appearance of self confidence.

Other people and hobbies. The older you get the more you'll realize the importance of "who cares?"