I started a topic back on April Fools Day that got lambasted and then locked by the mods. People didn't like my sense of humor. Okay, I get that. I don't agree, but I get it.
Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong.
I seem to see the forum growing increasingly touchy and nit picky recently. Why so? Or am I just crazy?
xraytango wrote: I think society in general is getting too touchy and polarized for its own good. Hopefully there will be another asteroid along before too long.
xraytango wrote: I think society in general is getting too touchy and polarized for its own good. Hopefully there will be another asteroid along before too long.
xraytango wrote: I think society in general is getting too touchy and polarized for its own good. Hopefully there will be another asteroid along before too long.
Um, what?
The reason we don't have dinosaurs.
But seriously why would you hope for a disaster like that? Why are you always so mean? Reported, I hope you get baned.
Zinderneuf wrote: I started a topic back on April Fools Day that got lambasted and then locked by the mods. People didn't like my sense of humor. Okay, I get that. I don't agree, but I get it.
Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong.
I seem to see the forum growing increasingly touchy and nit picky recently. Why so? Or am I just crazy?
There is a gap of almost 2 hours between the thread lock and this post, so I'm forced to ask: did you actually witness the degeneration, or simply come back to find it locked? If it was the latter, then given the gap between the last (exlc. Janthkin's) post on it and the lock post, I'd say there might've been something you missed which would yield the answer.
I also disgaree with your statement about there being no reason, mainly because the thread you linked proves otherwise, but also because of posts like the third one after yours. Religion is a massively touchy subject in life and on the internet, and to a lot of trolls or just people with strong opinions they are like beacons. Many threads all over internet forums have managed to collapse in on themselves due to people fighting over religion for no reason other than someone deciding to take a shot at someone else.
That is one good reason why any thread could start a fight, and there are bound to be more, like two strongly-opinionated people butting heads over something, or simply for e-peen.
Anyway, to answer your question, Dakka hasn't seemed any more or less touchy since I joined. There are times when things heat up (usually around weekends, school holidays, and public holidays for any reason from there simply being more people around to people already being pissed off because ABC happened when they were trying to do XYZ on one of their rare days off) and there are times when they cool down, but most of the time it's pretty stable in most areas of the forum. N&R can get heated for obvious reasons, and the same with both YMDC forums, background forums, and OT, but really it's not nearly as common as people seem to think.
That thread got locked because the responses were all stupid. If I were a mod, I would've locked it too. Maybe it didn't break any one specific rule, but it still deserved locking.
In my opinion its just that the newer a user is, the less they can get away with. You only have three hundred posts, so odds are you can't get away with much. But the older users (usually guys with over 5 or 6k posts) can get away with a lot because everyone is used to it. Its just routine. Frazzled is almost always offtopic, but the mods let him get away with it because he's just so affable. And if I was a mod, I'd let him get away with it too. I know better than to boss the King of the Weinerdogs around.
xraytango wrote: I think society in general is getting too touchy and polarized for its own good. Hopefully there will be another asteroid along before too long.
Um, what?
The reason we don't have dinosaurs.
But seriously why would you hope for a disaster like that? Why are you always so mean? Reported, I hope you get baned.
Really, now who's mean and who is getting touchy?
The fact that you can take such offense to an observation about todays divisiveness and wondering if the whole thing doesn't need a massive reboot, shows just how thin-skinned some of us have become.
Everyone is special, there are no competitors only participants. We need push and pull in society, or else we are weak. A muscle only becomes strong by exercise not by avoiding weight.
If we avoid any discussion because it doesn't agree with our world view or makes us unhappy, then maybe our own views are not as strong as we think. We don't have to be right all the time. In fact it is good to be wrong sometimes, hopefully we learn from it and better ourselves by it.
OTOH, you might have been joking, what is that little orky guy doing anyway, growling at me?
Grey Templar wrote: And Dakka is far from bad on this subject compared to other forums.
QFT. Compared to other places on the internet (YouTube, 4chan, Twitter, Tumblr, nearly every blog everywhere, any video game company's forums, etc) Dakka is a shining beacon of hope and humanity.
Grey Templar wrote: And Dakka is far from bad on this subject compared to other forums.
QFT. Compared to other places on the internet (YouTube, 4chan, Twitter, Tumblr, nearly every blog everywhere, any video game company's forums, etc) Dakka is a shining beacon of hope and humanity.
I actually like seeing drama on this site it amuses me.
The moderation here isn't the best I've seen, but it's a lot better than some places. Like Warseer, where calling a fictional monster an "ugly bastard" is grounds for an official warning.
Grey Templar wrote: And Dakka is far from bad on this subject compared to other forums.
QFT. Compared to other places on the internet (YouTube, 4chan, Twitter, Tumblr, nearly every blog everywhere, any video game company's forums, etc) Dakka is a shining beacon of hope and humanity.
I agree that Dakka can be overly sensitive, but it isn't new, and it isn't just Dakka, to be fair.
I've noticed, IMO, over the last few weeks fewer threads of substance. Maybe my opinion of just what that is has changed. I always find something good though, so can't really complain.
I have also noticed of late, that the Modhammer has been falling pretty swiftly and hard. Most of the time it's reasonable, and I certainly understand. Only a few times was it a little premature or anything like that. Most of those even could be seen as needing it. I think the ones for thread necromancy are the silliest TBH. I never understood the general vehemency of rage given towards that. That isn't just on Dakka. I've found so many threads via internet searches that were quite old (meaning years, not months or weeks) that were still relevant and helpful, at least in part.
I can understand in some cases, where a very old post may produce misinformation because of being dated, but that mostly only applies to rules debates/clarifications on here, not modeling.
All in all, while I think use of the Modhammer could be eased up a bit, or used more selectively (silly uses being relatively few, and trivial), I'm glad to be on a forum with people that are mostly intelligent, friendly, knowledgeable, and helpful, and mods that fit that description and actually give a damn.
Kilkrazy wrote: There are two ways a "bad" thread comes to a moderator's attention. One is if he happens to read it, the other is if it is complained about.
We have more moderators than a year ago. Some of the increased "Modhammer" effect is simply that "bad" threads are more easily noticed.
I have no idea if the proportion of bad threads or complaints is going up in itself, or why that might happen.
The big thing that jumps out at me is duplicate threads getting locked faster than I remember, so you see more red icons near the top of the front page of a board more often. It might just be my imagination, though.
Overall, things seem about how I've always known them. People are generally pretty chill, even the exceptions tend not to cross the line where palpable rage become frothing vitriol, there seems to be a high turnover rate of the spammiest posters, and the mods certainly appear to be more concerned with upholding order (which is done both effectively and without excessive force) than running wild with their own pet peeves (as is common elsewhere).
AlexHolker wrote: The moderation here isn't the best I've seen, but it's a lot better than some places. Like Warseer, where calling a fictional monster an "ugly bastard" is grounds for an official warning.
LoneLictor wrote: That thread got locked because the responses were all stupid. If I were a mod, I would've locked it too. Maybe it didn't break any one specific rule, but it still deserved locking.
In my opinion its just that the newer a user is, the less they can get away with. You only have three hundred posts, so odds are you can't get away with much. But the older users (usually guys with over 5 or 6k posts) can get away with a lot because everyone is used to it. Its just routine. Frazzled is almost always offtopic, but the mods let him get away with it because he's just so affable. And if I was a mod, I'd let him get away with it too. I know better than to boss the King of the Weinerdogs around.
The fact that Frazzled used to be a MOD also helps with him get away with it.
And to the OP...WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE'RE ALL TOO TOUCHY?! COME SAY THAT TO MY FACE AND I'LL BURN THIS PLACE TO THE GROUND AND PEE-PEE ON THE ASHES (One internet to whoever caught the reference). Nah, we're not too touchy at all, our medications are just all wearing off at the same time.
The internet itself is a touchy place because it brings together people with polar opposite views who wouldn't normally meet and/or express those views to each other in public.
However, I maintain its incredibly easy to just walk away when you're on the internet, usually with a polite...
"Sir, I do not think we are going to find common ground here. I tip my hat and bid you a good day."
timetowaste85 wrote: And to the OP...WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE'RE ALL TOO TOUCHY?! COME SAY THAT TO MY FACE AND I'LL BURN THIS PLACE TO THE GROUND AND PEE-PEE ON THE ASHES (One internet to whoever caught the reference).
Gbaby, you ABSOLUTE PILE OF MONKEY GAK EFNHWDEFJKHQDBQWDKQWDN. Such a nice fellow.
I think Dakka's mods are pretty fair, compared to a few other forums I post on- I'm sure we've all been on sites where you get Warned for disagreeing with a mod over the cost-benefit of an Autocannon, or where you post something relevant in thread that fell silent for three days and then it gets locked for necromancy. Or make a post that is anything other than lauding praise on the company's product, and it mysteriously disappears. None of that silliness here, for the most part.
Grey Templar wrote: no, he doesn't want you to get Banned. He wants you to get Baned, which is infinitly more awsome.
Attached: The process of a flame-war starter getting Baned.
Anyway, on topic now. Honestly, I'd have to say that things seem to be a little better here than I recall them being when I first joined.
For one thing, the political threads I've seen recently haven't been the verbal knife-fights I was expecting (and usually that's how things tend to go when politics is brought into the mix) so there's that.
Basically, I'm happy with things as they are.
I think that the mods here are reasonably relaxed, but it works because so are the majority of posters. If most of the posts were similar to those you find in youtube comments, then I'd expect the mods to be far harsher.
Nah, it's all good here. Deserving threads get locked, mods are fast reacting and there's a friendly atmosphere here (unless it gets really heated in the OT place).
Zinderneuf wrote: I started a topic back on April Fools Day that got lambasted and then locked by the mods. People didn't like my sense of humor. Okay, I get that. I don't agree, but I get it.
Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong.
I seem to see the forum growing increasingly touchy and nit picky recently. Why so? Or am I just crazy?
Maybe this cam across wrong. I am not complaining about the mods, I am asking why so many fights seem to be starting on utterly innocuous topics.
Zinderneuf wrote: I started a topic back on April Fools Day that got lambasted and then locked by the mods. People didn't like my sense of humor. Okay, I get that. I don't agree, but I get it.
Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong.
I seem to see the forum growing increasingly touchy and nit picky recently. Why so? Or am I just crazy?
There is a gap of almost 2 hours between the thread lock and this post, so I'm forced to ask: did you actually witness the degeneration, or simply come back to find it locked? If it was the latter, then given the gap between the last (exlc. Janthkin's) post on it and the lock post, I'd say there might've been something you missed which would yield the answer.
I also disgaree with your statement about there being no reason, mainly because the thread you linked proves otherwise, but also because of posts like the third one after yours. Religion is a massively touchy subject in life and on the internet, and to a lot of trolls or just people with strong opinions they are like beacons. Many threads all over internet forums have managed to collapse in on themselves due to people fighting over religion for no reason other than someone deciding to take a shot at someone else.
That is one good reason why any thread could start a fight, and there are bound to be more, like two strongly-opinionated people butting heads over something, or simply for e-peen.
Anyway, to answer your question, Dakka hasn't seemed any more or less touchy since I joined. There are times when things heat up (usually around weekends, school holidays, and public holidays for any reason from there simply being more people around to people already being pissed off because ABC happened when they were trying to do XYZ on one of their rare days off) and there are times when they cool down, but most of the time it's pretty stable in most areas of the forum. N&R can get heated for obvious reasons, and the same with both YMDC forums, background forums, and OT, but really it's not nearly as common as people seem to think.
Well, the whole idea of 'threads' is that you can go do other things, and come back later and follow the chain of events? Are you saying that if I sat there staring at the screen for three hours, I might have seen something that I otherwise missed?
Also, sorry, but I don't buy your argument. Talking about history automatically leads to taklking about religion, autmatically leads to fighting about religion? If that's your standard chain of thought, I'd recommend you become a monk and take a vow of silence, as you won't be able to talk about much without fighting. In any case, the 40K background is a fictional future history that relates to our real past history. Therefore, we should never be allowed to talk about any of it, lest we start a fight over religion.
Why was that thread trash? I love speculative stuff, that might lead to ideas for gaming or just additional information about the background? Why else read 40K fiction?
LoneLictor wrote: That thread got locked because the responses were all stupid. If I were a mod, I would've locked it too. Maybe it didn't break any one specific rule, but it still deserved locking.
In my opinion its just that the newer a user is, the less they can get away with. You only have three hundred posts, so odds are you can't get away with much. But the older users (usually guys with over 5 or 6k posts) can get away with a lot because everyone is used to it. Its just routine. Frazzled is almost always offtopic, but the mods let him get away with it because he's just so affable. And if I was a mod, I'd let him get away with it too. I know better than to boss the King of the Weinerdogs around.
The fact that Frazzled used to be a MOD also helps with him get away with it.
And to the OP...WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE'RE ALL TOO TOUCHY?! COME SAY THAT TO MY FACE AND I'LL BURN THIS PLACE TO THE GROUND AND PEE-PEE ON THE ASHES (One internet to whoever caught the reference). Nah, we're not too touchy at all, our medications are just all wearing off at the same time.
Honestly as a relative newbie user to this site, but one who moderated another site, I don't have any real complaints about the moderators on Dakka thus far.
From what I've seen the give use plenty of latitude at times, but rightly shut down threads when they are duplicates/spam/arguments etc. As well as that they don't just lurk, they are active participants who don't feel the need to issue warnings to people just because they have differing opinions.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: Honestly as a relative newbie user to this site, but one who moderated another site, I don't have any real complaints about the moderators on Dakka thus far.
From what I've seen the give use plenty of latitude at times, but rightly shut down threads when they are duplicates/spam/arguments etc. As well as that they don't just lurk, they are active participants who don't feel the need to issue warnings to people just because they have differing opinions.
In any case, the 40K background is a fictional future history that relates to our real past history. Therefore, we should never be allowed to talk about any of it, lest we start a fight over religion.
I think the Big E would be pro choice, but his interment on the golden throne has seen his views corrupted. Seeing as he was Jesus and all.
I disagree that Dakka is to touchy.
Infact they are pretty good
The only problem i have seen is that "Don't spam the forum" doesn't really tell the person or others wondering why it was baned why it was baned rather than for "Spam".
Dakka is by far the best forum site i have ever been on.
Anyway, on topic now. Honestly, I'd have to say that things seem to be a little better here than I recall them being when I first joined.
For one thing, the political threads I've seen recently haven't been the verbal knife-fights I was expecting (and usually that's how things tend to go when politics is brought into the mix) so there's that.
Basically, I'm happy with things as they are.
Well, OT did calm down quite abit once mattyrm was asked to never post in there :( which I find quite sad, because he always had some of the best responses.
edit: Which probably didn't help anyone in the touchyness department
I've spent far more time on dakka than any other forum and I plan to continue on doing so.
I've found the vast majority of users to be wonderfull people and the few times I've recived mod warnings were for things that in hidsight I shouldn't have posted.
Well, the whole idea of 'threads' is that you can go do other things, and come back later and follow the chain of events? Are you saying that if I sat there staring at the screen for three hours, I might have seen something that I otherwise missed?
That's a rather extreme way of putting it, but essentially yes, if you follow a thread in a busy forum by checking back every few minutes as opposed to every few hours then you are bound to catch more.
Also, sorry, but I don't buy your argument. Talking about history automatically leads to taklking about religion, autmatically leads to fighting about religion? If that's your standard chain of thought, I'd recommend you become a monk and take a vow of silence, as you won't be able to talk about much without fighting. In any case, the 40K background is a fictional future history that relates to our real past history. Therefore, we should never be allowed to talk about any of it, lest we start a fight over religion.
I did not say anything automatically leads to anything else, you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying that religion is one of the leading causes of fights on the internet, as well as in real life. If you don't 'buy' that then perhaps you don't 'buy' the Crusades, Jihads, or myriad other Holy Wars that have occurred throughout human history, either.
There is no point in even trying to deny that religion is a point of vicious contention, even on the internet, and as such is one of the most volatile subjects to discuss, next to politics, which is why many forums actively frown upon or even outright forbid discussion focussed one it, because it will inevitably end badly. Dakka allows discussions about these topics, but those few threads that crop up are often under closer watch and scrutiny, and often have to be heavily moderated (anything from repeated warnings to post deletion, locking or even bans) because of how quickly and how violently polite discussion collapses into anarchic arguments full of thinly-veiled insults, snarky posts, and flame-bait.
That is not to say that every thread becomes this, but merely to showcase what can, and does happen if hotter topics are injected. Whether or not you 'buy' it is immaterial, the fact is that religion is a topic capable of taking down threads, regardless of what the original topic was; a thread made around the entire concept of religion or politics serves only to speed up its demise.
Anyway, on topic now. Honestly, I'd have to say that things seem to be a little better here than I recall them being when I first joined.
For one thing, the political threads I've seen recently haven't been the verbal knife-fights I was expecting (and usually that's how things tend to go when politics is brought into the mix) so there's that.
Basically, I'm happy with things as they are.
Well, OT did calm down quite abit once mattyrm was asked to never post in there :( which I find quite sad, because he always had some of the best responses.
edit: Which probably didn't help anyone in the touchyness department
I did wonder where he'd gone, actually. I remember some of his, ahem, arguments and the reactions they got. I'll give you that they were entertaining, in a sense.
Still, guess that's that mystery solved.
Avatar 720 wrote: I did not say anything automatically leads to anything else, you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying that religion is one of the leading causes of fights on the internet, as well as in real life. If you don't 'buy' that then perhaps you don't 'buy' the Crusades, Jihads, or myriad other Holy Wars that have occurred throughout human history, either.
There is no point in even trying to deny that religion is a point of vicious contention, even on the internet, and as such is one of the most volatile subjects to discuss, next to politics, which is why many forums actively frown upon or even outright forbid discussion focussed one it, because it will inevitably end badly.
Dude, to put it somewhat more bluntly, I did not start a thread about religion.
But even if I had, remember that the 40K background INCLUDES a large segment on religion, if the emperor was Jesus, etc. Thus, it would have been fair game. Anyone who can't write politely on the subject should stay off of it, not unload a pile of steaming drek and then say, "Now look what you made me do!" That's bull. The subject of a polite discussion does not invite flamewars. That is a function of the maturity of the participants.
Remember again, I am NOT upset with the mods here, but with members who are itching for a fight.
Avatar 720 wrote: I did not say anything automatically leads to anything else, you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying that religion is one of the leading causes of fights on the internet, as well as in real life. If you don't 'buy' that then perhaps you don't 'buy' the Crusades, Jihads, or myriad other Holy Wars that have occurred throughout human history, either.
There is no point in even trying to deny that religion is a point of vicious contention, even on the internet, and as such is one of the most volatile subjects to discuss, next to politics, which is why many forums actively frown upon or even outright forbid discussion focussed one it, because it will inevitably end badly.
Dude, to put it somewhat more bluntly, I did not start a thread about religion.
I never said you did.
You said "Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong." and so I used religion as an example to counter that statement, and to state that, regardless of the original content, any thread could devolve into an argument over even an innocent injection of any hot subject into it.
I don't know where the idea the religion does = an argument, or the idea that you posted about religion to start with, came from.
A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.
We will soon be introducing the trial version of a USB powered interactive forum device, which enables tactile sensations to be activated from tags included in the thread postings.
We believe this will help DakkaDakka become more touchy-feely than ever before.
Kilkrazy wrote: A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.
We will soon be introducing the trial version of a USB powered interactive forum device, which enables tactile sensations to be activated from tags included in the thread postings.
We believe this will help DakkaDakka become more touchy-feely than ever before.
I don't need help from some newfangled machine. As I matter of a fact, I cry just by reading thread titles, all by myself, without any help from Legoburner. Last week, after seeing the hundred millionth thread about who would win in a fight between the Primarchs, I cried under I ran out of tears and ended up just making weird snuffling noises!
Albatross wrote: I'm pretty happy with the moderation on this site, with the exception of mattyrm still inexplicably being banned (sorry, 'baned') from the OT Forum.
Avatar 720 wrote: I did not say anything automatically leads to anything else, you are putting words in my mouth. I was saying that religion is one of the leading causes of fights on the internet, as well as in real life. If you don't 'buy' that then perhaps you don't 'buy' the Crusades, Jihads, or myriad other Holy Wars that have occurred throughout human history, either.
There is no point in even trying to deny that religion is a point of vicious contention, even on the internet, and as such is one of the most volatile subjects to discuss, next to politics, which is why many forums actively frown upon or even outright forbid discussion focussed one it, because it will inevitably end badly.
Dude, to put it somewhat more bluntly, I did not start a thread about religion.
I never said you did.
You said "Come on, people, there is absolutely no reason why a little speculation on who the 40K emperor might have been historically should start a fight. Period. Point blank. If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong."
And I stand by that statement. I have had many religious discussions with friends of wildly different faiths, and many political discussions with friends of wildly different points of view, which started, stayed, and ended polite and friendly. I have -previously, as the older thread I linked to shows- done the same here. It only seems TO ME that recently, dakka (the members, not the mods) are starting to pick fights.
Even earlier in this thread, where some guy states "...that thread was trash, plain and simple. " How does that contribute to the discussion? There were people enjoying that thread who contributed to it before the flaming began, and they seemed to think it was okay. Many of them were making jocular comments, but some were not. How does throwing in "...that thread was trash, plain and simple. " do anything but throw ants on the picnic?
We seem to be talking around each other here.
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Kilkrazy wrote: A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.
We will soon be introducing the trial version of a USB powered interactive forum device, which enables tactile sensations to be activated from tags included in the thread postings.
We believe this will help DakkaDakka become more touchy-feely than ever before.
Kilkrazy wrote: A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.
There's another 40k forum that I used to moderate for that actually had the "skip to unread" function, however it was a minimum 6 months after Dakka had it... so I guess that Legoburner is a trendsetter
Except that it's incorrect, and I proved one way in which it is so by giving the example of how religion can derail threads and spark arguments. Your personal experience doesn't mean that suddenly religion is no longer a contentious topic.
Would you have preferred it if I said politics instead? There's plenty of animosity to go around the internet when it comes to politics. Or how about someone saying someone else's idea was crap, and sparking a flame war? That's a common enough occurrence.
There are myriad ways that a thread can devolve into arguments regardless of topic; to think otherwise is incredibly naive.
Albatross wrote: I'm pretty happy with the moderation on this site, with the exception of mattyrm still inexplicably being banned (sorry, 'baned') from the OT Forum.
Note: Have not read all the posts yet, just giving an opinion.
I think that even if Dakka is a bit touchy with mods trying to end fights asap (even small ones) it's better than some forums I've known.
I know a forum where the mods on it all went inactive. There eventually were only about a dozen or so people left on the forum. Small discussions would end up saying something that annoyed one person, who would reply tetchily, then another person would reply in a similar manner. It would go on until a large fight breaks out. Eventually these would degenerate into racism etc. Nobody left happy.
It's better to end these things before they get too big.
Quote:
Spoiler:
At the start, discussing a game mechanic:
Originally posted by Viteaz
I am a C4C-er. Everyone is doing C4C and everyone is having his rules. I propose here to establish a set of decent rules. If any C4Cer is avoiding many times at least one of the rules please post here to know that he (it) isn't a good C4Cer.(i put it because I know some multiaccounters who are excellent clicker using their main and bad clicker using their other accounts). It doesn't mean many times that it is a bad guy but only he dislikes to C4C.
I think I'm good enough to propose some decent rules. You may come with other ideas/rules. I'll be glad to edit my post.
If you are much better than me at english feel free to correct me.
*snip*
Near the end:
Originally posted by Viteaz
[B]
Originally posted by nestor_nhs2
[B]You sound like a real f[b]ucking racist ****** to me, Balan.
@kasper tal nu ordentligt om dine medmennesker[/B]
I was hospitalised 2 times because of them . My son was with me once (he had 5) and was shocked. I think your roms didn't beat at your door with swords in hands because you declared to police that they've broken your car...I might continue here, my friends have a lot of stories themselves.Roms are 8 times less than us but they make 8 times more problems.The last care of mine is their smell. Also for a decent rom exist 2 or 3 who are usually thieves. There were cases in which the romes have stolen little white kids to sell them for a few thousand dollars.They don't respect the laws but they want to be respected conform the laws. I don't have nothing with those decent roms but with the others.[/B]
Except that it's incorrect, and I proved one way in which it is so by giving the example of how religion can derail threads and spark arguments.
Except that you didn't prove much. What you proved was that you fail to understand that it is immature people who derail threads, and that is the point of this topic. There are forums where nasty arguments will start over lettuce.
Mature people can talk religion and politics, immature cannot, vastly immature will take an unrelated topic, drag it into religion or politics, and then start arguing about that.
As some great genius once said, "... to think otherwise is incredibly naive. "
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Selym wrote: Note: Have not read all the posts yet, just giving an opinion.
I think that even if Dakka is a bit touchy with mods trying to end fights asap (even small ones) it's better than some forums I've known.
I know a forum where the mods on it all went inactive. There eventually were only about a dozen or so people left on the forum. Small discussions would end up saying something that annoyed one person, who would reply tetchily, then another person would reply in a similar manner. It would go on until a large fight breaks out. Eventually these would degenerate into racism etc. Nobody left happy.
It's better to end these things before they get too big.
IT'S NOT THE MODS, ITS THE POSTERS THAT ARE THE PROBLEM
Hopefully, someone will now read that. I have posted it something like four times in this thread, and, evidently, no one has read it yet. At least this guy is honest in saying he didn't read the thread. Sheesh.
Except that it's incorrect, and I proved one way in which it is so by giving the example of how religion can derail threads and spark arguments.
Except that you didn't prove much. What you proved was that you fail to understand that it is immature people who derail threads, and that is the point of this topic. There are forums where nasty arguments will start over lettuce.
Mature people can talk religion and politics, immature cannot, vastly immature will take an unrelated topic, drag it into religion or politics, and then start arguing about that.
As some great genius once said, "... to think otherwise is incredibly naive. "
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Selym wrote: Note: Have not read all the posts yet, just giving an opinion.
I think that even if Dakka is a bit touchy with mods trying to end fights asap (even small ones) it's better than some forums I've known.
I know a forum where the mods on it all went inactive. There eventually were only about a dozen or so people left on the forum. Small discussions would end up saying something that annoyed one person, who would reply tetchily, then another person would reply in a similar manner. It would go on until a large fight breaks out. Eventually these would degenerate into racism etc. Nobody left happy.
It's better to end these things before they get too big.
IT'S NOT THE MODS, ITS THE POSTERS THAT ARE THE PROBLEM
Hopefully, someone will now read that. I have posted it something like four times in this thread, and, evidently, no one has read it yet. At least this guy is honest in saying he didn't read the thread. Sheesh.
If you don't like the posters then why are you here, interacting with (and complaining about) the POSTERS THAT ARE THE PROBLEM?
Except that it's incorrect, and I proved one way in which it is so by giving the example of how religion can derail threads and spark arguments.
Except that you didn't prove much. What you proved was that you fail to understand that it is immature people who derail threads, and that is the point of this topic. There are forums where nasty arguments will start over lettuce.
Mature people can talk religion and politics, immature cannot, vastly immature will take an unrelated topic, drag it into religion or politics, and then start arguing about that.
As some great genius once said, "... to think otherwise is incredibly naive. "
Don't try to dictate to me what I do and do not understand; being someone who I have only written to a few times online over a very small variety of topics you are far from qualified to determine what I do or do not understand.
As it stands, I understand that immature people can derail threads. What you seem to be ignoring, however, is the fact that I am not addressing the point of this thread; I am addressing the incorrect statement you made regarding the idea that your topic could not degenerate into a fight. You have just stated the ease in which fights can start; how can you understand that forum arguments can be so easily started and yet believe that your threads are immune to such things to the extent that you label views opposing this belief as "just plain wrong"?
I also thank you for calling me a great genius, although I must admit that I am far too modest to accept such a title.
Why is there even one person who thinks that certain topics cannot degenerate into an argument?
Humans can start an argument over even the tiniest thing, or difference in opinion. It's been shown here many hundreds of times, and occurs regardless of topics.
For a conversation to occur, there needs to be more than one side to it. This means there will be opinion differences.
This can cause arguments if someone is not willing to accept a different viewpoint.
Grey Templar wrote: And Dakka is far from bad on this subject compared to other forums.
QFT. Compared to other places on the internet (YouTube, 4chan, Twitter, Tumblr, nearly every blog everywhere, any video game company's forums, etc) Dakka is a shining beacon of hope and humanity.
Really?
I always thought that the Mods are starting to get out of control...
The really bizarre thing about the MODs here, is if you have a problem with a decision they made, many times if you just PM said MOD, or a different MOD if you think youre being picked on, they will work with you. Its a crazy notion I know but its true. Some saying about honey and vinegar catching koala bears and such.
Also....who says post count = old timer? Thats just crazy talk, some people on here hit 4k or more in under a year
Avatar 720 wrote: Don't try to dictate to me what I do and do not understand;...<SNIP>
This from the guy who, in a most pedantic and didactic manner, just pointed out to me how he had just proven his argument, and if I thought otherwise, I was incredibly naive?
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Selym wrote: Why is there even one person who thinks that certain topics cannot degenerate into an argument?
Humans can start an argument over even the tiniest thing, or difference in opinion. It's been shown here many hundreds of times, and occurs regardless of topics.
For a conversation to occur, there needs to be more than one side to it. This means there will be opinion differences.
This can cause arguments if someone is not willing to accept a different viewpoint.
All of which just proves that it is not the topic, it is the people involved.
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purplefood wrote: I like the fact that there seems to be a fight breaking out which topics cause fights to break out...
Kilkrazy wrote: A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.
We will soon be introducing the trial version of a USB powered interactive forum device, which enables tactile sensations to be activated from tags included in the thread postings.
We believe this will help DakkaDakka become more touchy-feely than ever before.
I would rather he introduce one that lets me slap people over the Internet when they post statements devoid of intellectual quality.
Kilkrazy wrote: A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.
We will soon be introducing the trial version of a USB powered interactive forum device, which enables tactile sensations to be activated from tags included in the thread postings.
We believe this will help DakkaDakka become more touchy-feely than ever before.
I would rather he introduce one that lets me slap people over the Internet when they post statements devoid of intellectual quality.
Mr. Kanluwen, within the first ten minute of that feature being released, you would no longer have a head. You would simply have a bloody and pulpy crater with the impression of a hand in its center.
Selym wrote: Why is there even one person who thinks that certain topics cannot degenerate into an argument?
Humans can start an argument over even the tiniest thing, or difference in opinion. It's been shown here many hundreds of times, and occurs regardless of topics.
For a conversation to occur, there needs to be more than one side to it. This means there will be opinion differences.
This can cause arguments if someone is not willing to accept a different viewpoint.
All of which just proves that it is not the topic, it is the people involved.
Avatar 720 wrote: Don't try to dictate to me what I do and do not understand;...<SNIP>
This from the guy who, in a most pedantic and didactic manner, just pointed out to me how he had just proven his argument, and if I thought otherwise, I was incredibly naive?
Yes. Now are you going to address the rest of my post, or are you going to keep dodging the point like you have done with all my previous replies? If you could tell me ASAP so I know whether or not I can give up trying to make you see that you can't label people as 'just plain wrong.' simply because you didn't like that your thread got locked. To condense and restate my point yet again: any thread can devolve into arguments and fights - you yourself have stated that arguments can happen over something as plain as lettuce - so how is it that you can stand by a statement that says your thread was immune to it?
For some reason I'm not too surprised as Johnny Depp and Iggy Pop have a friendship going on also John Waters (who he himself is eccentric) loves putting eccentrics in his films.
Kilkrazy wrote: A lot of users probably know that the forum software is written by Legoburner, who has introduced a number of benefits such as the Gallery and the "skip to unread" features which are not available in other forums.
We will soon be introducing the trial version of a USB powered interactive forum device, which enables tactile sensations to be activated from tags included in the thread postings.
We believe this will help DakkaDakka become more touchy-feely than ever before.
I would rather he introduce one that lets me slap people over the Internet when they post statements devoid of intellectual quality.
Mr. Kanluwen, within the first ten minute of that feature being released, you would no longer have a head. You would simply have a bloody and pulpy crater with the impression of a hand in its center.
Selym wrote: Why is there even one person who thinks that certain topics cannot degenerate into an argument?
Humans can start an argument over even the tiniest thing, or difference in opinion. It's been shown here many hundreds of times, and occurs regardless of topics.
For a conversation to occur, there needs to be more than one side to it. This means there will be opinion differences.
This can cause arguments if someone is not willing to accept a different viewpoint.
All of which just proves that it is not the topic, it is the people involved.
Yes. That's why I said it.
You probably did. This thread has been turned on its head so many times, I will shortly bearguing against my own position.
Avatar 720 wrote: Don't try to dictate to me what I do and do not understand;...<SNIP>
This from the guy who, in a most pedantic and didactic manner, just pointed out to me how he had just proven his argument, and if I thought otherwise, I was incredibly naive?
Yes. Now are you going to address the rest of my post...
I've never heard of this golden eyed scout before and i feel like I'm missing out on something big. :(
The mods here are pretty good, i like how they let things flow. Some people do get away with personally insulting others, but in the end who cares, you want to have a pointless internet fight about who's right you deserve to get called a few names.
I will say one thing we need more loons/antagonists in the ot.
bring back MATTRYM!
Frazzled just isn't enough. Antagonists make things more fun, but probably not for the mods .
I just realized that you joined five days before I did...
random observation is soooooooo random
I think one reason why it may seem as though people are more touchy now is due to an increase in threads other than OT threads. People get pretty testy in YMDC argueing over stupid little RAI things... makes me miss Gwar and his "blood in the water" approach.
Especially since he can't be present to defend himself against any slight preceived or otherwise that may be made against his character. Whcih will most certainly occur if details of his transgressions are expounded upon.
Especially since he can't be present to defend himself against any slight preceived or otherwise that may be made against his character. Whcih will most certainly occur if details of his transgressions are expounded upon.
Also we are getting gloriously off topic.
What is wrong with you? This is DAKKA . BLame the victim! Everyone unload on golden eyed scout!
Especially since he can't be present to defend himself against any slight preceived or otherwise that may be made against his character. Whcih will most certainly occur if details of his transgressions are expounded upon.
Also we are getting gloriously off topic.
What is wrong with you? This is DAKKA . BLame the victim! Everyone unload on golden eyed scout!
Exactly, did a mod hack Ma55ter_fett's account or something?
Especially since he can't be present to defend himself against any slight preceived or otherwise that may be made against his character. Whcih will most certainly occur if details of his transgressions are expounded upon.
Also we are getting gloriously off topic.
What is wrong with you? This is DAKKA . BLame the victim! Everyone unload on golden eyed scout!
Exactly, did a mod hack Ma55ter_fett's account or something?
LoneLictor wrote: So, I guess everyone is just too touchy to tell me about Golden Eyed Scout.
I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.
I already told you all you need to know about GES oh, he is also quite handy in a knife fight and some friend of his made a thread about his bad ass fighting victory,
Golden Eyed Scout's preferred method for getting ripped biceps is especially touchy.
It's pretty much the only exercise I get at the moment other than walking to the bus stop or going upstairs to get food.
More importantly, on GES's Maximum X-Treme Full Body Workout to the Max!™, that's the only exercise you need to get into peak knife-fighting condition.
Aren't you blending mods here? I thought it was kid kyoto that left asian girls on topics...or one of them, but not alpharius. Unless they are all one?
We've laughed, we've cried, we've seen blood in our stools, learnt a heart warming lesson -- like the end of the old He-Man cartoons where He -Man ( or sometimes Orko or Teela, it'd depend really upon which characters were featured in the episode. I'm guessing it was probably contractual.) would come on and explain to us all that this existence, this cursed world and all of its billions of people clawing and screaming for a single moment of happiness, true happiness, is temporary. All is temporary, and all things will end.
And, like, making fun of people'cause they're a bit different is mean and wrong.
Usually anyway, you'll note this charitableness didn't extend to Beastman or Merman and the like did it eh ? I guess they did employ Mekaneck ( whose real name was "Orius" BTW.. man, I hope he was reunited with his son in the end. The guilt he was suffering must have been a terrible burden, one wonders if it affected his performance when battling evil ..?) and let's face it compared to some of the others his special powers were a bit lame. I think he helped them fill a quota or something.
.... so.. err.... yeah, looks like we're done here. May God have mercy on us all.
Help me watch my back!
