Okay so everyone knows that ants would be tremendously weak at human size, able to lift about 20 pounds and a man being able to literally beat their brains in.
But there's a beetle that can lift 20 pounds at it's size of a couple ounces.........
Cube Square wouldn't do much to something that's that strong and already that big.
How strong would something that big be if we upped it to weigh the same as a 225 pound man, and accounted for cubed square.
Assuming that at 6 inches long it weighs 3.2 ounces (most of the length is horn and while the females are bigger they are also a lot weaker)
A rough estimation would have it being immune to small arms and tossing people around like basketballs.
It would die of oxygen starvation, unless the air had a larger oxygen percentile, but then it would be combusting whenever somebody lit a match, so we would have bigger problems.
purplefood wrote: It's an insect correct?
It'd have problems breathing for one...
I'm also unsure as to whether chitin is as strong when scaled up...
it may have some problems with breathing but the thing is the size of a parrot....
the problems probably wouldn't be life threatening.
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FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote: It would die of oxygen starvation, unless the air had a larger oxygen percentile, but then it would be combusting whenever somebody lit a match, so we would have bigger problems.
Again its the size of a parrot....
There used to be enough oxygen on Earth to support this kind of thing in jurrasic periods
In the Jurassic period forests and jungles covered most of the available land. That pushes the oxygen content of the air up which means insects can become bigger. An insect's inspiration mechanism is incredibly inefficient...
It probably wouldn't survive if it got any bigger.
purplefood wrote: In the Jurassic period forests and jungles covered most of the available land. That pushes the oxygen content of the air up which means insects can become bigger. An insect's inspiration mechanism is incredibly inefficient...
It probably wouldn't survive if it got any bigger.
Again because this particular kind of insect doesn't breed like well....insects there should be enough oxygen in the immediate era to support a 200 pound man sized beetle in the Jurassic era. It would be so hype.....
It could tear through bone like butter at that size and kill apex dinosaurs...hell the things can already break arms at their current size.
I don't think punching it would work very well.....
Can you punch a pig till it dies? Maybe, but the pig will probably kill you first.
The beetle has the advantage of armored plating, even if its strength is decreased from its smaller size.
Not by a large margin, it would still be dozens of times stronger than a human proportionally with it's new found size.
Could probably lift about 2 tons.
I know........
a human sized ant would weight about the same as an ant and lift 200+ times its weight.
A Hercules Beetle is 1000s of times heavier and lifts 800+ times its own weight.
Upscaling something in this way makes many assumptions, most of which probably won't be correct; there would have to be a lot of differences in the insect's physiology, otherwise you have a physiology designed for an insect a couple of inches big that suddenly needs to work for one several meters big.
Avatar 720 wrote: Upscaling something in this way makes many assumptions, most of which probably won't be correct; there would have to be a lot of differences in the insect's physiology, otherwise you have a physiology designed for an insect a couple of inches big that suddenly needs to work for one several meters big.
Simply multiplying everything by X won't work.
Give it whale efficiency lungs.....
That's pretty much all that needs to be done.
Even then something like this could have prospered in the Jurassic without worry.
The Whale efficiency lungs would probably be overkill but then there would be no trouble.
The respiratory system is an important reason that limits the size of insects. As insects get bigger, this type of oxygen transport gets less efficient and thus the heaviest insect currently weighs less than 100g. However, with increased atmospheric oxygen levels, as happened in the late Paleozoic, larger insects were possible, such as dragonflies with wingspans of more than two feet.
Insects basically rely on something similar to osmosis to breath. They simply absorb oxygen from the surrounding air from a few locations on their body.
Their circulation is also little more than osmosis. Its why a spider can bite an insect and turn the entire insides into jelly, its little more than a bag of liquid nutrients flowing over the organs.
purplefood wrote: In the Jurassic period forests and jungles covered most of the available land. That pushes the oxygen content of the air up which means insects can become bigger. An insect's inspiration mechanism is incredibly inefficient...
It probably wouldn't survive if it got any bigger.
Again because this particular kind of insect doesn't breed like well....insects there should be enough oxygen in the immediate era to support a 200 pound man sized beetle in the Jurassic era. It would be so hype.....
purplefood wrote: In the Jurassic period forests and jungles covered most of the available land. That pushes the oxygen content of the air up which means insects can become bigger. An insect's inspiration mechanism is incredibly inefficient...
It probably wouldn't survive if it got any bigger.
Again because this particular kind of insect doesn't breed like well....insects there should be enough oxygen in the immediate era to support a 200 pound man sized beetle in the Jurassic era. It would be so hype.....
purplefood wrote: In the Jurassic period forests and jungles covered most of the available land. That pushes the oxygen content of the air up which means insects can become bigger. An insect's inspiration mechanism is incredibly inefficient...
It probably wouldn't survive if it got any bigger.
Again because this particular kind of insect doesn't breed like well....insects there should be enough oxygen in the immediate era to support a 200 pound man sized beetle in the Jurassic era. It would be so hype.....
What does "so hype" mean? Are you on drugs, son?
Cocaine is a hell of a drug...
Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
purplefood wrote: In the Jurassic period forests and jungles covered most of the available land. That pushes the oxygen content of the air up which means insects can become bigger. An insect's inspiration mechanism is incredibly inefficient...
It probably wouldn't survive if it got any bigger.
Again because this particular kind of insect doesn't breed like well....insects there should be enough oxygen in the immediate era to support a 200 pound man sized beetle in the Jurassic era. It would be so hype.....
What does "so hype" mean? Are you on drugs, son?
Cocaine is a hell of a drug...
Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
I'm from Texas.....
I just thought it would be fun to chart the ravings of the bloodthirsty, schizophrenic madwoman that is Mother Nature.
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
I'm from Texas.....
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
This is the internet, everything people say here is taken seriously.
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
This is the internet, everything people say here is taken seriously.
Especially discussions about man sized beetles. Serious stuff, that.
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
This is the internet, everything people say here is taken seriously.
I really haven't been using the Internets to its full potential. The internet is basically the Master sword apparently.
While we're on the subject I'm 7'6 and can benchpress 1200 pounds........
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
This is the internet, everything people say here is taken seriously.
I really haven't been using the Internets to its full potential. The internet is basically the Master sword apparently..........
But seriously man, lay off those California cornflakes.
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
I'm from Texas.....
I just thought it would be fun to chart the ravings of the bloodthirsty, schizophrenic madwoman that is Mother Nature.
Yeah, so seriously, you need to expand your mind from the anti-science Texas curriculum and look at real nature.
You're saying there is a beetle the size of a parrot. What are you talking about? * You're writing implies that is large, but Psittacine birds range in size from a few inches to several feet in length, including tail feathers. Please, be specific. What dimension are you talking about?
Also, real simple concept... exoskeletons have a hard limit on how big they can get mechanically. I learned this in basic zoology almost 20 years ago, but the fact of the matter remains: giant insects are impossible, due to basic physics and physiology. Actin/myosin in muscles can only exert so much force, and angles in exoskeletons are crappy for forces applied for movement. Not to mention the respiratory barrier expounded upon earlier.
Real nature is so much better than uneducated speculation. Why not talk about what is real, or realistically plausible?
Now, an alien species with a super-efficient respiratory-circulatory system and a way to get around joint angle movement forces when pulling from inside instead of outside, i.e. exo vs. endoskeleton? That would be an awesome discussion.
*Edit - The Hercules Beetle is the size of a human hand. So is my Senegal Parrot. Yeah, size of a parrot... a diminutive parrot.
Edit 2 - did a simple google search. yeah. Hercules beetle is a modern, extant species, but doesn't excuse the OP from not providing any context whatsoever.
Nope. No stereotypes necessary. Facts will do. How is that "Supplemental Biology Instruction Material" working for you? Honestly I'm curious how an antiscience curriculum affects the science knowledge of students.
Edit, for grammar. Because there are rules to how things work, provided by education.
I edited down my response, though its clear the science is using too big words.
Why not talk about what is real, or realistically plausible?
Now, an alien species with a super-efficient respiratory-circulatory system and a way to get around joint angle movement forces when pulling from inside instead of outside, i.e. exo vs. endoskeleton? That would be an awesome discussion.
Inspired by the Hercules beetle. Parrot sized, evidently.
I look forward to the research the molecular biology on motor molecules and terminal electron acceptors for respiration.
I wouldn't be scared of a man sized beetle. Chitin is terrible for protection when upscaled. You could throw a brick straight through a man sized beetle.
Kilkrazy wrote: If I was attacked by a giant Hercule beetle in the Jurassic, I would smear a coconut on it to attract a Tyrannosaurus Rex, then run away.
I bet our forefarthers did just that once they got kicked out of the garden. Just a shame the flood wiped out the T-Rex, natures gentle giant and bug killing friend of man.
ThePrimordial wrote: Okay so everyone knows that ants would be tremendously weak at human size, able to lift about 20 pounds and a man being able to literally beat their brains in.
But there's a beetle that can lift 20 pounds at it's size of a couple ounces.........
Cube Square wouldn't do much to something that's that strong and already that big.
How strong would something that big be if we upped it to weigh the same as a 225 pound man, and accounted for cubed square.
Assuming that at 6 inches long it weighs 3.2 ounces (most of the length is horn and while the females are bigger they are also a lot weaker)
A rough estimation would have it being immune to small arms and tossing people around like basketballs.
Its weight would crush its legs. There's a reason large animals are built differently.
But if they did somehow survive I'm sure we'd see the Wiener Dog legions riding them like cavalry. Fear the Reaper Squirrels! Hell's Coming to Squirrel Town!
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Kilkrazy wrote: If I was attacked by a giant Hercule beetle in the Jurassic, I would smear a coconut on it to attract a Tyrannosaurus Rex, then run away.
TRexes will protect us all when the Beetle People come.
Tyrannosaurus Rex, Savior of the Universe.
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Soo'Vah'Cha wrote: I 'll see your Hercules beetle and raise you.. a Titan Beetle!
And toss in a bird eating Taratula!
and a big grub,,
Don't make me break out the camel spiders !
Thanks a lot guys. I figure I'll make it back to sleep around Tuesday.
I actually saw a clutch of giant grubs on a tree right outside Chichen Itza. I suddenly felt like a Conquistador come across a new world, ready for the great gold smash N grab!
And now the thread heads towards dinosaurs instead of beetles. I have a question, who founded Texas? Because all this talk of the T-rex has got me thinking.
Texas
T-rexes
Perhaps the lizard people aren't lizard people at all, but instead the descendants of the great thunder lizards who first settled what is (apparently) the greatest US state?
(this is according to the Texan users on here anyway)
motyak wrote: And now the thread heads towards dinosaurs instead of beetles. I have a question, who founded Texas? Because all this talk of the T-rex has got me thinking.
Texas
T-rexes
Perhaps the lizard people aren't lizard people at all, but instead the descendants of the great thunder lizards who first settled what is (apparently) the greatest US state?
(this is according to the Texan users on here anyway)
Well there is evidence that good God fearing Coconut eating TRexes did roam our fair land. Plus, you have to be TRex sized to be a Teaxn dinosaur.
I mentioned this, an ant sized human would be about a dozen times stronger than an ant.
I was saying that assuming this thing could get the couple hundred litres of oxygen it required it would be dozens of times stronger than people
It's legs would also need to be made about 10 times thicker
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motyak wrote: And now the thread heads towards dinosaurs instead of beetles. I have a question, who founded Texas? Because all this talk of the T-rex has got me thinking.
Texas
T-rexes
Perhaps the lizard people aren't lizard people at all, but instead the descendants of the great thunder lizards who first settled what is (apparently) the greatest US state?
(this is according to the Texan users on here anyway)
TRex's actually roamed Texas during the Jurassic.....
All hail our Tyrannosaurus masters!!!
Dang but that is a big grub... I kind of want one as a pet now.
Cube square law is a harsh mistress indeed. Things that work at an inch long don't work at a couple meters long (yes, I did just use imperial and metric units in the same comparison, what you going to do about it?)
purplefood wrote: It's an insect correct?
It'd have problems breathing for one...
I'm also unsure as to whether chitin is as strong when scaled up...
it may have some problems with breathing but the thing is the size of a parrot....
the problems probably wouldn't be life threatening.
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FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote: It would die of oxygen starvation, unless the air had a larger oxygen percentile, but then it would be combusting whenever somebody lit a match, so we would have bigger problems.
Again its the size of a parrot....
There used to be enough oxygen on Earth to support this kind of thing in jurrasic periods
Actually the Carboniferous period. Oxygen content was much higher than today an arthropods grew to two metres in length, winged insects grew to just under 1m.
BBC did a neat program on them....let me see if I can find a YouTube link to Walking with Monsters.......
ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
This is the internet, everything people say here is taken seriously.
I really haven't been using the Internets to its full potential. The internet is basically the Master sword apparently.
While we're on the subject I'm 7'6 and can benchpress 1200 pounds........
What I want to know is can you still breathe at 7'6 since your an upscaled human (specially if you have hollowed out your nostrils through use of cocaine whilst typing on dakka - that's so hype!). Also how effective is skin when upscaled as armour (i'm thinking the stretching would make it rather flimsy) oh and something sciency about cubed.
7'6" isn't upscaled for a human...
That said, you can see examples of the largest specimens of humanity having trouble breathing (Or rather breathing doesn't give them enough oxygen) because they are so large. Such people also have heart problems due tot heir size.
ThePrimordial wrote: Okay so everyone knows that ants would be tremendously weak at human size, able to lift about 20 pounds and a man being able to literally beat their brains in.
But there's a beetle that can lift 20 pounds at it's size of a couple ounces.........
Cube Square wouldn't do much to something that's that strong and already that big.
How strong would something that big be if we upped it to weigh the same as a 225 pound man, and accounted for cubed square.
Assuming that at 6 inches long it weighs 3.2 ounces (most of the length is horn and while the females are bigger they are also a lot weaker)
A rough estimation would have it being immune to small arms and tossing people around like basketballs.
You...
You really don't know what mathematics is do you?
purplefood wrote: 7'6" isn't upscaled for a human...
That said, you can see examples of the largest specimens of humanity having trouble breathing (Or rather breathing doesn't give them enough oxygen) because they are so large. Such people also have heart problems due tot heir size.
I think the tallest human ever was 8'11.
Assuming you kept in a well muscled but thin shape at 7'6 I don't think you'd have problems with anything.
ThePrimordial wrote: Okay so everyone knows that ants would be tremendously weak at human size, able to lift about 20 pounds and a man being able to literally beat their brains in.
But there's a beetle that can lift 20 pounds at it's size of a couple ounces.........
Cube Square wouldn't do much to something that's that strong and already that big.
How strong would something that big be if we upped it to weigh the same as a 225 pound man, and accounted for cubed square.
Assuming that at 6 inches long it weighs 3.2 ounces (most of the length is horn and while the females are bigger they are also a lot weaker)
A rough estimation would have it being immune to small arms and tossing people around like basketballs.
You...
You really don't know what mathematics is do you?
With minor changes to anatomy and assuming this thing was in prehistoric periods so as to have enough oxygen, it'd be far stronger than a human.
Ants still wouldn't collapse under their own weight at our size, so going purely by math means the beetle would be relatively functional at human size with enough oxygen.
The point is 'enough oxygen' it's not even minor anatomical changes. You'd be talking about a major redesign of its circulatory and respiratory systems. Even if it did have enough oxygen to survive I remember reading somewhere that chitin, when scaled up to our scale, becomes incredibly fragile.
ThePrimordial wrote: Okay so everyone knows that ants would be tremendously weak at human size, able to lift about 20 pounds and a man being able to literally beat their brains in.
But there's a beetle that can lift 20 pounds at it's size of a couple ounces.........
Cube Square wouldn't do much to something that's that strong and already that big.
How strong would something that big be if we upped it to weigh the same as a 225 pound man, and accounted for cubed square.
Assuming that at 6 inches long it weighs 3.2 ounces (most of the length is horn and while the females are bigger they are also a lot weaker)
A rough estimation would have it being immune to small arms and tossing people around like basketballs.
You...
You really don't know what mathematics is do you?
With minor changes to anatomy and assuming this thing was in prehistoric periods so as to have enough oxygen, it'd be far stronger than a human.
Ants still wouldn't collapse under their own weight at our size, so going purely by math means the beetle would be relatively functional at human size with enough oxygen.
Sure, if by minor anatomical changes, you mean redesigning its respiratory and circulatory systems from the ground up then sure.
Yes, an ant would be crushed by its own weight if scaled up to human size.
Say for example an ant is 3mm long (3x10^-3m long)
A human is (going by population averages) 180cm long when laid down on their side (1.8m)
This means that scaling up an ant to human size means increasing its size by 1.8m/3x10^-3m = 600 times
Now we know that a creature's strength is determined by its musculture which is ultimatley a fuction of its surface area and a creature's weight is ultimatley a function of volume.
By increasing an ant's size 600times, you are increasing its musculture by 600^2 = 360 000 (3.6x10^5) times but you are also increasing its weight by 600^3 = 216 000 000 (2.16x10^8) times
which reduces its effective musculture to weight ratio to 3.6x10^5/2.16x10^8 = 0.00166~ which is just over one thounsandth of what it has at normal size.
Scary. Also, if I see it, very, very, very dead. By someone else's hand, obviously; I'd be in a foetal position in the corner, rocking back and forth, sucking my thumb, muttering to myself, and switching between uncontrollable bursts of maniacal laughter and insane crying - all of which is pretty normal for me, except there'd be a fething great spider there, too.
After the tsunami in Japan all the ground dwelling spiders went into the trees with some rather... odd.. results.
As an added bonus, they also prevented the huge outbreak of malaria from all the mosquito's that would've come out of all the new puddles.
I only ask because the image says pakistan-floods-drive-spiders-into-trees-children XD So did someone mislabel their photo? I do remember reading something like this in Japan though XD I just found the image name odd.
After the tsunami in Japan all the ground dwelling spiders went into the trees with some rather... odd.. results.
As an added bonus, they also prevented the huge outbreak of malaria from all the mosquito's that would've come out of all the new puddles.
I only ask because the image says pakistan-floods-drive-spiders-into-trees-children XD So did someone mislabel their photo? I do remember reading something like this in Japan though XD I just found the image name odd.
I found where the pictures are from, and the nat geo article does indeed say it's in Pakistan.
ThePrimordial wrote: Okay so everyone knows that ants would be tremendously weak at human size, able to lift about 20 pounds and a man being able to literally beat their brains in.
But there's a beetle that can lift 20 pounds at it's size of a couple ounces.........
Cube Square wouldn't do much to something that's that strong and already that big.
How strong would something that big be if we upped it to weigh the same as a 225 pound man, and accounted for cubed square.
Assuming that at 6 inches long it weighs 3.2 ounces (most of the length is horn and while the females are bigger they are also a lot weaker)
A rough estimation would have it being immune to small arms and tossing people around like basketballs.
You...
You really don't know what mathematics is do you?
With minor changes to anatomy and assuming this thing was in prehistoric periods so as to have enough oxygen, it'd be far stronger than a human.
Ants still wouldn't collapse under their own weight at our size, so going purely by math means the beetle would be relatively functional at human size with enough oxygen.
Sure, if by minor anatomical changes, you mean redesigning its respiratory and circulatory systems from the ground up then sure.
Yes, an ant would be crushed by its own weight if scaled up to human size.
Say for example an ant is 3mm long (3x10^-3m long)
A human is (going by population averages) 180cm long when laid down on their side (1.8m)
This means that scaling up an ant to human size means increasing its size by 1.8m/3x10^-3m = 600 times
Now we know that a creature's strength is determined by its musculture which is ultimatley a fuction of its surface area and a creature's weight is ultimatley a function of volume.
By increasing an ant's size 600times, you are increasing its musculture by 600^2 = 360 000 (3.6x10^5) times but you are also increasing its weight by 600^3 = 216 000 000 (2.16x10^8) times
which reduces its effective musculture to weight ratio to 3.6x10^5/2.16x10^8 = 0.00166~ which is just over one thounsandth of what it has at normal size.
This means that the Hercules beetle at 1/1200th the weight of humans instead of 1/10millionth (according to math the beetle is enourmously stronger by muscle not by being smaller) would be crushed under its own weight as well?
The beetle wouldn't be crushed under its own weight. We can be sure of this. It would also be stronger than a similarily strong human. We can be sure of this as well.
It would need 100's of litres of oxygen and its legs would need to be thicker.
While it would be very fragile however due to chitin, it would still be stronger.
After the tsunami in Japan all the ground dwelling spiders went into the trees with some rather... odd.. results.
As an added bonus, they also prevented the huge outbreak of malaria from all the mosquito's that would've come out of all the new puddles.
I only ask because the image says pakistan-floods-drive-spiders-into-trees-children XD So did someone mislabel their photo? I do remember reading something like this in Japan though XD I just found the image name odd.
I found where the pictures are from, and the nat geo article does indeed say it's in Pakistan.
ThePrimordial wrote: Okay so everyone knows that ants would be tremendously weak at human size, able to lift about 20 pounds and a man being able to literally beat their brains in.
But there's a beetle that can lift 20 pounds at it's size of a couple ounces.........
Cube Square wouldn't do much to something that's that strong and already that big.
How strong would something that big be if we upped it to weigh the same as a 225 pound man, and accounted for cubed square.
Assuming that at 6 inches long it weighs 3.2 ounces (most of the length is horn and while the females are bigger they are also a lot weaker)
A rough estimation would have it being immune to small arms and tossing people around like basketballs.
You...
You really don't know what mathematics is do you?
With minor changes to anatomy and assuming this thing was in prehistoric periods so as to have enough oxygen, it'd be far stronger than a human.
Ants still wouldn't collapse under their own weight at our size, so going purely by math means the beetle would be relatively functional at human size with enough oxygen.
Sure, if by minor anatomical changes, you mean redesigning its respiratory and circulatory systems from the ground up then sure.
Yes, an ant would be crushed by its own weight if scaled up to human size.
Say for example an ant is 3mm long (3x10^-3m long)
A human is (going by population averages) 180cm long when laid down on their side (1.8m)
This means that scaling up an ant to human size means increasing its size by 1.8m/3x10^-3m = 600 times
Now we know that a creature's strength is determined by its musculture which is ultimatley a fuction of its surface area and a creature's weight is ultimatley a function of volume.
By increasing an ant's size 600times, you are increasing its musculture by 600^2 = 360 000 (3.6x10^5) times but you are also increasing its weight by 600^3 = 216 000 000 (2.16x10^8) times
which reduces its effective musculture to weight ratio to 3.6x10^5/2.16x10^8 = 0.00166~ which is just over one thounsandth of what it has at normal size.
This means that the Hercules beetle at 1/1200th the weight of humans instead of 1/10millionth (according to math the beetle is enourmously stronger by muscle not by being smaller) would be crushed under its own weight as well?
The beetle wouldn't be crushed under its own weight. We can be sure of this. It would also be stronger than a similarily strong human. We can be sure of this as well.
It would need 100's of litres of oxygen and its legs would need to be thicker.
While it would be very fragile however due to chitin, it would still be stronger.
Can you stop asking a question only to literally straight after assume your own answer?
It is not a question of how much oxygen a scaled up insect needs, but how fast it can get it. Diffusion is a very slow transport process, why do you think that we have lungs as opposed to spiracles, the fact of the matter is, once you get past the size of a small bird, regardless of your metabolic rate, you need some form of active transport to move around nutrients and absorb oxygen, there are no ifs or buts about it.
The best statement you could say, is if a human had similar levels of relative strength to a hercules beetle it could do whatever, but that statement is not the same as saying what you are saying.
Also the statment about being immune to small arms is also patently false.
I'm assuming this is from a Syfy original movie. What's it called?
Crawl back under the rock you came from.
Do you know what Berserk or Black Lagoon are?
If not you can crawl back into your mothers womb because you still haven't seen the light.
Or rather monsters dismembered in creative ways and tarantino esque mafia action respectively.
I'm not a film buff, I apologize.
ThePrimordial wrote: Okay so everyone knows that ants would be tremendously weak at human size, able to lift about 20 pounds and a man being able to literally beat their brains in.
But there's a beetle that can lift 20 pounds at it's size of a couple ounces.........
Cube Square wouldn't do much to something that's that strong and already that big.
How strong would something that big be if we upped it to weigh the same as a 225 pound man, and accounted for cubed square.
Assuming that at 6 inches long it weighs 3.2 ounces (most of the length is horn and while the females are bigger they are also a lot weaker)
A rough estimation would have it being immune to small arms and tossing people around like basketballs.
You...
You really don't know what mathematics is do you?
With minor changes to anatomy and assuming this thing was in prehistoric periods so as to have enough oxygen, it'd be far stronger than a human.
Ants still wouldn't collapse under their own weight at our size, so going purely by math means the beetle would be relatively functional at human size with enough oxygen.
Sure, if by minor anatomical changes, you mean redesigning its respiratory and circulatory systems from the ground up then sure.
Yes, an ant would be crushed by its own weight if scaled up to human size.
Say for example an ant is 3mm long (3x10^-3m long)
A human is (going by population averages) 180cm long when laid down on their side (1.8m)
This means that scaling up an ant to human size means increasing its size by 1.8m/3x10^-3m = 600 times
Now we know that a creature's strength is determined by its musculture which is ultimatley a fuction of its surface area and a creature's weight is ultimatley a function of volume.
By increasing an ant's size 600times, you are increasing its musculture by 600^2 = 360 000 (3.6x10^5) times but you are also increasing its weight by 600^3 = 216 000 000 (2.16x10^8) times
which reduces its effective musculture to weight ratio to 3.6x10^5/2.16x10^8 = 0.00166~ which is just over one thounsandth of what it has at normal size.
This means that the Hercules beetle at 1/1200th the weight of humans instead of 1/10millionth (according to math the beetle is enourmously stronger by muscle not by being smaller) would be crushed under its own weight as well?
The beetle wouldn't be crushed under its own weight. We can be sure of this. It would also be stronger than a similarily strong human. We can be sure of this as well.
It would need 100's of litres of oxygen and its legs would need to be thicker.
While it would be very fragile however due to chitin, it would still be stronger.
Can you stop asking a question only to literally straight after assume your own answer?
It is not a question of how much oxygen a scaled up insect needs, but how fast it can get it. Diffusion is a very slow transport process, why do you think that we have lungs as opposed to spiracles, the fact of the matter is, once you get past the size of a small bird, regardless of your metabolic rate, you need some form of active transport to move around nutrients and absorb oxygen, there are no ifs or buts about it.
The best statement you could say, is if a human had similar levels of relative strength to a hercules beetle it could do whatever, but that statement is not the same as saying what you are saying.
Also the statment about being immune to small arms is also patently false.
It was a question simply meant to cement my view not be answered.
I literally have no idea how you could not understand this.
I looked into this more and yes unless this thing was being shoved full of oxygen it would die pretty quickly.
it would need a very strong heart, rhino esque skin to replace the chitin, thicker legs, whale efficiency lungs, a mammal esque respiratory system.... the list goes on and on.
I understand this now, I looked into this now. I'm an engineer, not a biologist. An electrical engineer at that. I only have to deal with the weight to muscle aspects of engineering whereas there's a lot more to this when upscaling animals.
I've watched every episode of Berserk, read every chapter of the manga (that's out) and watched all 3 movies. So please go somewhere else with your would be insults.
... And black lagoon was fun but too short, did they ever make a proper season 3?
Soladrin wrote: I've watched every episode of Berserk, read every chapter of the manga (that's out) and watched all 3 movies. So please go somewhere else with your would be insults.
... And black lagoon was fun but too short, did they ever make a proper season 3?
Sadly, no. Just an OVA that to my knowledge still does not have a dubbed version.
Soladrin wrote: I've watched every episode of Berserk, read every chapter of the manga (that's out) and watched all 3 movies. So please go somewhere else with your would be insults.
... And black lagoon was fun but too short, did they ever make a proper season 3?
Sadly, no. Just an OVA that to my knowledge still does not have a dubbed version.
The OVA was really good though. Each episode to it about an hour long and 7 episodes if I remember correctly.
And yeah the OVA is dubbed.
Soladrin wrote: I've watched every episode of Berserk, read every chapter of the manga (that's out) and watched all 3 movies. So please go somewhere else with your would be insults.
... And black lagoon was fun but too short, did they ever make a proper season 3?
Sadly, no. Just an OVA that to my knowledge still does not have a dubbed version.
The OVA was really good though. Each episode to it about an hour long and 7 episodes if I remember correctly.
And yeah the OVA is dubbed.
