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ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
I'm from Texas.....
I just thought it would be fun to chart the ravings of the bloodthirsty, schizophrenic madwoman that is Mother Nature.
Yeah, so seriously, you need to expand your mind from the anti-science Texas curriculum and look at real nature.
You're saying there is a beetle the size of a parrot. What are you talking about? * You're writing implies that is large, but Psittacine birds range in size from a few inches to several feet in length, including tail feathers. Please, be specific. What dimension are you talking about?
Also, real simple concept... exoskeletons have a hard limit on how big they can get mechanically. I learned this in basic zoology almost 20 years ago, but the fact of the matter remains: giant insects are impossible, due to basic physics and physiology. Actin/myosin in muscles can only exert so much force, and angles in exoskeletons are crappy for forces applied for movement. Not to mention the respiratory barrier expounded upon earlier.
Real nature is so much better than uneducated speculation. Why not talk about what is real, or realistically plausible?
Now, an alien species with a super-efficient respiratory-circulatory system and a way to get around joint angle movement forces when pulling from inside instead of outside, i.e. exo vs. endoskeleton? That would be an awesome discussion.
*Edit - The Hercules Beetle is the size of a human hand. So is my Senegal Parrot. Yeah, size of a parrot... a diminutive parrot.
Edit 2 - did a simple google search. yeah. Hercules beetle is a modern, extant species, but doesn't excuse the OP from not providing any context whatsoever.
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"When your only tools are duct tape and a shovel, all of life's problems start to look the same!" - kronk
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Darth Helmet
"History...is, indeed, little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortune of mankind" - Edward Gibbon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Nope. No stereotypes necessary. Facts will do. How is that "Supplemental Biology Instruction Material" working for you? Honestly I'm curious how an antiscience curriculum affects the science knowledge of students.
Edit, for grammar. Because there are rules to how things work, provided by education.
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"When your only tools are duct tape and a shovel, all of life's problems start to look the same!" - kronk
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Darth Helmet
"History...is, indeed, little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortune of mankind" - Edward Gibbon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
And this has nothing to do with what we were discussing.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Shame, I was rather intrigued by the ramifications of man sized insects.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I edited down my response, though its clear the science is using too big words.
Why not talk about what is real, or realistically plausible?
Now, an alien species with a super-efficient respiratory-circulatory system and a way to get around joint angle movement forces when pulling from inside instead of outside, i.e. exo vs. endoskeleton? That would be an awesome discussion.
Inspired by the Hercules beetle. Parrot sized, evidently.
I look forward to the research the molecular biology on motor molecules and terminal electron acceptors for respiration.
"When your only tools are duct tape and a shovel, all of life's problems start to look the same!" - kronk
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Darth Helmet
"History...is, indeed, little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortune of mankind" - Edward Gibbon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Just a bucket of tact aren't we.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I wouldn't be scared of a man sized beetle. Chitin is terrible for protection when upscaled. You could throw a brick straight through a man sized beetle.
Kilkrazy wrote: If I was attacked by a giant Hercule beetle in the Jurassic, I would smear a coconut on it to attract a Tyrannosaurus Rex, then run away.
I bet our forefarthers did just that once they got kicked out of the garden. Just a shame the flood wiped out the T-Rex, natures gentle giant and bug killing friend of man.
ThePrimordial wrote: Okay so everyone knows that ants would be tremendously weak at human size, able to lift about 20 pounds and a man being able to literally beat their brains in.
But there's a beetle that can lift 20 pounds at it's size of a couple ounces.........
Cube Square wouldn't do much to something that's that strong and already that big.
How strong would something that big be if we upped it to weigh the same as a 225 pound man, and accounted for cubed square.
Assuming that at 6 inches long it weighs 3.2 ounces (most of the length is horn and while the females are bigger they are also a lot weaker)
A rough estimation would have it being immune to small arms and tossing people around like basketballs.
Its weight would crush its legs. There's a reason large animals are built differently.
But if they did somehow survive I'm sure we'd see the Wiener Dog legions riding them like cavalry. Fear the Reaper Squirrels! Hell's Coming to Squirrel Town!
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Kilkrazy wrote: If I was attacked by a giant Hercule beetle in the Jurassic, I would smear a coconut on it to attract a Tyrannosaurus Rex, then run away.
TRexes will protect us all when the Beetle People come.
Tyrannosaurus Rex, Savior of the Universe.
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Soo'Vah'Cha wrote: I 'll see your Hercules beetle and raise you.. a Titan Beetle!
And toss in a bird eating Taratula!
and a big grub,,
Don't make me break out the camel spiders !
Thanks a lot guys. I figure I'll make it back to sleep around Tuesday.
I actually saw a clutch of giant grubs on a tree right outside Chichen Itza. I suddenly felt like a Conquistador come across a new world, ready for the great gold smash N grab!
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And now the thread heads towards dinosaurs instead of beetles. I have a question, who founded Texas? Because all this talk of the T-rex has got me thinking.
Texas
T-rexes
Perhaps the lizard people aren't lizard people at all, but instead the descendants of the great thunder lizards who first settled what is (apparently) the greatest US state?
(this is according to the Texan users on here anyway)
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
motyak wrote: And now the thread heads towards dinosaurs instead of beetles. I have a question, who founded Texas? Because all this talk of the T-rex has got me thinking.
Texas
T-rexes
Perhaps the lizard people aren't lizard people at all, but instead the descendants of the great thunder lizards who first settled what is (apparently) the greatest US state?
(this is according to the Texan users on here anyway)
Well there is evidence that good God fearing Coconut eating TRexes did roam our fair land. Plus, you have to be TRex sized to be a Teaxn dinosaur.
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I mentioned this, an ant sized human would be about a dozen times stronger than an ant.
I was saying that assuming this thing could get the couple hundred litres of oxygen it required it would be dozens of times stronger than people
It's legs would also need to be made about 10 times thicker
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motyak wrote: And now the thread heads towards dinosaurs instead of beetles. I have a question, who founded Texas? Because all this talk of the T-rex has got me thinking.
Texas
T-rexes
Perhaps the lizard people aren't lizard people at all, but instead the descendants of the great thunder lizards who first settled what is (apparently) the greatest US state?
(this is according to the Texan users on here anyway)
TRex's actually roamed Texas during the Jurassic.....
All hail our Tyrannosaurus masters!!!
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"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
Medium of Death wrote: Fair enough but I still wouldn't want to step into the ring with a human sized ant.
I could take a man sized ant...
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If an ant were mansized would its guts fall through the chitin?
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Dang but that is a big grub... I kind of want one as a pet now.
Cube square law is a harsh mistress indeed. Things that work at an inch long don't work at a couple meters long (yes, I did just use imperial and metric units in the same comparison, what you going to do about it?)
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BrianDavion wrote: Between the two of us... I think GW is assuming we the players are not complete idiots.
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If an ant were mansized would its guts fall through the chitin?
If it didn't I could probably punch through it...
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"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
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Equip, Reload. Do violence.
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purplefood wrote: It's an insect correct?
It'd have problems breathing for one...
I'm also unsure as to whether chitin is as strong when scaled up...
it may have some problems with breathing but the thing is the size of a parrot....
the problems probably wouldn't be life threatening.
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FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote: It would die of oxygen starvation, unless the air had a larger oxygen percentile, but then it would be combusting whenever somebody lit a match, so we would have bigger problems.
Again its the size of a parrot....
There used to be enough oxygen on Earth to support this kind of thing in jurrasic periods
Actually the Carboniferous period. Oxygen content was much higher than today an arthropods grew to two metres in length, winged insects grew to just under 1m.
BBC did a neat program on them....let me see if I can find a YouTube link to Walking with Monsters.......
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ThePrimordial wrote: Yeah I figured the best thing to do in my cocaine fueled haze would be to start a series of threads of detailing the scariness of nature on DakkaDakka..........
People here have done similar on worse.
Do you honestly think I'm serious........
This is the internet, everything people say here is taken seriously.
I really haven't been using the Internets to its full potential. The internet is basically the Master sword apparently.
While we're on the subject I'm 7'6 and can benchpress 1200 pounds........
What I want to know is can you still breathe at 7'6 since your an upscaled human (specially if you have hollowed out your nostrils through use of cocaine whilst typing on dakka - that's so hype!). Also how effective is skin when upscaled as armour (i'm thinking the stretching would make it rather flimsy) oh and something sciency about cubed.
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7'6" isn't upscaled for a human...
That said, you can see examples of the largest specimens of humanity having trouble breathing (Or rather breathing doesn't give them enough oxygen) because they are so large. Such people also have heart problems due tot heir size.
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"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
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