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Post by: overtyrant
I haven't even got my Bones part 1 yet lol!
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Post by: SilverMK2
As long as it isn't future stuff or their steam punk/weird world stuff, I think I will probably go in day 1.
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Post by: Alpharius
We knew - but thanks for posting about it and thereby volunteering to keep this thread updated when it does launch! 
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Post by: timetowaste85
After seeing the Bones stuff around, as well as the awesome deals, I'm sad I missed the first one. It won't happen again!!
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Post by: Empchild
 Alpharius wrote:We knew - but thanks for posting about it and thereby volunteering to keep this thread updated when it does launch!
Your mean  .
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Post by: timd
Alpharius wrote:We knew - but thanks for posting about it and thereby volunteering to keep this thread updated when it does launch!
Still just a rumor... I'm sure some reliable and reputable Dakkaite will post a new thread when it does actually launch, and thereby assume the mantle of keeper of the first post.
Tim
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Post by: RiTides
I was going to say the same thing . Seems to be how these things go!
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Post by: Sidstyler
Bones 2: The Bonening.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
ReaperBryan had already confirmed it is happening. His wife was the one who was passing out those flyers at GenCon IIRC.
Last word seemed to indicate mid September as the launch time, though I havent heard if it has been narrowed down to a specific date quite yet.
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Post by: Gitzbitah
At this rate, this thread will be out of news and rumors faster than flying assault butts.
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Post by: Kroothawk
SilverMK2 wrote:
Bones 2: Bone Harder.
Sean_OBrien wrote:ReaperBryan had already confirmed it is happening. His wife was the one who was passing out ...
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Post by: Barzam
Well, there goes my bank account! Personally, I hope there ARE more of the sci-fi figures in there. More undead varieties, too. And definitely I want the Crimson Knights, Elven Royal Guard, and the Overlord soldiers to be put into the line.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Okie dokie then...more news and rumors...
They have a pretty good idea of whatnthey plan on doing, but that remains flexible.
September was the hopeful start date, but they want to make sure all the prior packages arrive at retailers and overseas customers before they start the next one. Once that happens, they submit their project to Kickstarter and it takes about a week for approval there.
There is some hesitancy to do more Bones Chronoscope figures (the pulp and sci-fi line). The vocal majority of Reapers customers are D&D gamers, and they made much noise about the Chronoscope figures and general duplicates. If you want to see more of those or more of the same types of figures with different poses and what not - the meetings are still happening a few times a week as they go through stretch goals to see what makes the cut. Let your desires be known and make sure they know what you intend on using them for. A wargamer will buy 10 figures for every one that an RPG player buys, but multiple poses are more important than individual characters.
Lead time will be greater on the projected shipping date and they are arranging a more streamlined fulfillment process (not sure if this means fewer options or what, but they wanted to be able to cut the packing and shipping time in half.
Reaper is very open to communication. Use their forums, Facebook, telephones and emails to let them know what you would like to see. If they dont hear from you, they only hear the masses of D&D players who want more single character figures and more single monsters.
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Post by: warboss
I'm glad they completely fulfilled their first KS before starting a second or third while still dealing with problems on the first (mantic...I'm looking at you!).
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Post by: kestral
Sounds good to me! I'd be willing to make myself heard for sci fi.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
For me, myself, and only me...I am largely indifferent. The things that would be most useful are things like giants, dragons and other big creatures as well as small stuff like kobolds, dwarves and goblins. Most my collection has been converted to an off scale over the past several years (proper 1/48 scale ). Even though I am only using about half the figures from KS1, it was still one heck of a deal. Figure just on the giants and dragons I probably saved 40% off retail.
That said, every time I get ReaperMatt or Ed's ear...I try to remind them that the bulk orders by wargamers will really pop off once they have armies in Bones of multiple pose (or better still multiple part) figures. Me telling them as much is useful, but a hundred other people saying the same thing will make it all that much more likely to happen.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Converting the Warlord line to plastic?
Blisters of Warlord squads? One can dream right?
All they need to put up are a few more lizards and I'll be in. Or dinosaurs. Or giant gorillas. Or a kaijuu- like tarrasque like people have been piping up about for a while.
One of the things I was most pleased with was all the new stuff that ended up getting sculpted as a result of the kickstarter. Hope we'll see more of that the second time around.
Wouldn't mind seeing a few more fishmen and other aquatic nasties to go with the ones from the first kickstarter. Between those dudes, the latest Pathfinder set, and the Hadross from Wrath of Kings I'll be quite set in regards to building an aquatic kingdom.
Maybe Reaper will make something to play with that Kraken mini that was kickstarted last year. Need more pureblooded cephalopods!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Here's the link to the Bones Forum about the 2nd Kickstarter.- http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/50930-bones-kickstarter-2/
Also, I'm pretty sure this here's the confirmation about being in the planning stages for the 2nd kickstarter by Reaperbryan- http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/50930-bones-kickstarter-2/page-27#entry756648
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Post by: SilverMK2
 Kroothawk wrote:SilverMK2 wrote:
Bones 2: Bone Harder.
Sean_OBrien wrote:ReaperBryan had already confirmed it is happening. His wife was the one who was passing out ...
Just so long as we get the choice between DVD and Blu Ray 
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Post by: griffen127
Well I hope they can get the quality up. I feel that the bones line has a massive swing in quality. Some are awsome a few really stink. Also they need to find a way to keep weapons not so bendie. All and all I really like them. However there is room for improvement. Ill get in this one to if I can get 10 tons I figs for 100 bucks.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Some Reaper CAV in bones from a while back:
About which ReaperBryan had to say:
Yes - it is a project. And in the CAV subforum, Jon Walker, developer of CAV has been more open than I. What is being shared there is that these are made of Bonesium, there are 8 prototypes, and we are working on a plan to send more for prototyping once final decisions as to which 4 of the remaining ~120 models are most critical to have this done.
I am not at liberty to discuss pricing or scheduling/release plans.
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Post by: warboss
I'm not sure if that is the best material for CAV stuff. The corner detsils look soft and the rigidly straight CAD designed lines look a bit off.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Yeah, but if they want to make some sort of "all you need to play" starter box, plastic mechs make that affordable.
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Post by: sparkywtf
 warboss wrote:I'm not sure if that is the best material for CAV stuff. The corner detsils look soft and the rigidly straight CAD designed lines look a bit off.
They can change the properties though. Look at the wings of the wyrmgear, those are rigid (unless those are another material)
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Wyrmgear is all PVC, just like the rest of the figures, just a more rigid formula was used for the wings. PVC can be just as sharp as any other plastic, it is mearly a question of the formula you use and the molds you shoot it into.
Regarding the CAV figures, those are test shots IIRC, not from a production mold. As a result, they do look a little soft. I believe that they are going to be rolled out seperate from the KS2 campaign the last I had heard. The final scuplts had been chosen earlier this summer (12 or 16 in total...brain is a bit foggy on that) and it will be part of a larger rerelease of the Bones figures and the updated rules sometime this fall.
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Post by: scarletsquig
 Sean_OBrien wrote:September was the hopeful start date, but they want to make sure all the prior packages arrive at retailers and overseas customers before they start the next one. Once that happens, they submit their project to Kickstarter and it takes about a week for approval there.
There is some hesitancy to do more Bones Chronoscope figures (the pulp and sci-fi line). The vocal majority of Reapers customers are D&D gamers, and they made much noise about the Chronoscope figures and general duplicates. If you want to see more of those or more of the same types of figures with different poses and what not - the meetings are still happening a few times a week as they go through stretch goals to see what makes the cut. Let your desires be known and make sure they know what you intend on using them for. A wargamer will buy 10 figures for every one that an RPG player buys, but multiple poses are more important than individual characters.
Just some variant poses of your existing models would be perfect.
I'd love some Reaper Trolls, but would need a minimum of 3 different poses to make it a viable wargaming unit.
For large monstrous units, need at least 3 poses, for infantry, need at least 5. That's the baseline.
Give it a try with some existing miniatures, expand the number of poses, offer a huge bundle deal on them and the wargamers will come.
I missed the first KS since I wasn't sure what I'd do with it all and had major concerns about customs fees ordering from the UK (it's still really, really hard to buy Reaper stuff over here, btw). I couldn't cherry-pick add-ons without buying the vampire package either, which meant it made more sense for me to wait for the retail release to get the dragons.
I'm not really motivated enough to go tell Reaper myself, unfortunately... I don't see myself as their target market, and when we had this discussion last time around there was concern that "pandering to wargamers" might not be popular with the core RPG crowd who could become quite annoyed that boring old skeleton pose #4 is being made instead of the lava spawn or the half-bogling shaman that everyone has been asking for.
They could choose to appeal to the wargaming market, they know how to make that happen (your advice is spot-on), and it's really up to them to decide if they want to do that.
It might have cross-appeal to the RPG crowd, too. Say 5 different poses of skeleton with spear, and 5 of skeleton with bow, 5 of skeleton with spear get made... that opens up an opportunity to sell a box of 30 as a skeleton horde, a staple of RPG games as well as wargames.
I think anything that sells well currently, and has a wargaming use as well as an RPG one would be a good "lets try multiple poses" target.
P.S. The familiars are my favourite minis from the first bones KS. Being able to buy a set of assorted pets for an extremely low price is awesome, and makes it an instant impulse buy.
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Post by: Bolognesus
To be fair, how many different options for "horde of skeletons" are there on the market already? Hey, I'd love some proper "horde of _____" stuff for bones 2 but maybe something like kobolds would be a better example.
For skeletons I'd honestly go with either Mantic or GW, depending on taste in skeletons (and no, that's not a rule 34) so how much a unit of bones skeletons would sell, well, maybe. But it's far from a sure thing.
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ Hmm, good point, plus the really impressive price points aren't to be found on infantry minis in the bones line, which means it might not be the best thing to attempt as a risk-fre entry into the wargames market.
However large stuff like this cave troll:
http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=653_667&products_id=25848
Is flat-out the most affordable option on the market, which could make monstrous units the best choice to "test the waters" with multiple poses for the wargaming market.
Or, to put it another way, make three poses of that troll and I will buy a crapload. :p
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Post by: decker_cky
5 different _____ seems like something beneficial to RPG crowd too, just for a bit of variety when attacked by a band of ____. Command pieces (aside from horns) are probably wargaming only, but general variety of generic models can only be a good thing.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
The giants (fire and frost) are some of the most impressive (to me). Getting to have a good selection of poses (already enough for a large number of skirmish style games). $10 each for a figure that is...well, a giant.
But yes, the issue of how many skeletons you need is a subjective one as was mentioned over there. You might not need anymore, and you might choose Mantic, GW or perhaps WGF instead. However, objectively, customers in general will buy a lot of skeletons. RPG players smash them by the bucket, while most wargames use skeletons as a cheap horde unit. In either case, if you buy skeletons, you will probably not buy just one. ReaperBryan had stated that they are one of their top selling bones figures still.
Also keep in mind that things like skeletons are often one of the first purchases made by someone getting into miniatures. As a result, they often are unaware of companies like Mantic or WGF, and GW has been dropped from a lot of local stores (especially WHF in the US). However (in the US at least), Reaper is in about every game store to some extent. The low retail investment and ease of access means that horde figures in Bones means that Reaper can get those new customers.
Regarding the wargame vs RPG issue...Reaper is owned by wargamers, but their customer base is primarily RPG players. They want to sell more to Wargamers, but that is a bigger gamble because of the costs involved in creating more molds or designing multipart figures. Helping to give Ed the push to do something he wants to do wont be nearly as hard as you might think, though I do believe that a few months worth of sales data on the things that are already going that direction might be enough to push them over that cliff already (I think I know of 15 or so people who are building up army units around things like the giants, driders and other figures that are in multiples now).
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Post by: Bolognesus
 scarletsquig wrote:^ Hmm, good point, plus the really impressive price points aren't to be found on infantry minis in the bones line, which means it might not be the best thing to attempt as a risk-fre entry into the wargames market.
However large stuff like this cave troll:
http://miniature-heroes.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=653_667&products_id=25848
Is flat-out the most affordable option on the market, which could make monstrous units the best choice to "test the waters" with multiple poses for the wargaming market.
Or, to put it another way, make three poses of that troll and I will buy a crapload. :p
you're right, the big baddies is probably where it's at for bones.
...I'd still like that kobold unit though - no hard plastic options for that AFAIK
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I think a fun option would be some sort of warlord- lite bundles. Bundle units of Warlord figures, say anywhere from 6 to 10 figures, toss in a commander of some sort, maybe a quick start set of Warlord rules as a pdf or something, start trying to pull some of those RPG players/ DMs that ordered multiple sets of figures to the other side.
I've bought a fair bit of Reaper's Reptus figures for Warlord, and at most grunt units tend to consist of 3 poses.
We already use a lot of Bones figures for playing Songs of Blades and Heroes. That's worked out pretty well.
If Bones 2 gives us even more variety of weird random stuff, I'll be pretty pleased. I already have a habit of trying to make bizarre warbands as it is.
The question is will they be able to give me as much weirdness and variety for the tabletop as Wrath of Kings will? I hope so.
Maybe they'll give me the goods to put together that gorilla warband I've been thinking about...
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Post by: KirbyFan
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:I think a fun option would be some sort of warlord- lite bundles. Bundle units of Warlord figures, say anywhere from 6 to 10 figures, toss in a commander of some sort, maybe a quick start set of Warlord rules as a pdf or something, start trying to pull some of those RPG players/ DMs that ordered multiple sets of figures to the other side.
I've bought a fair bit of Reaper's Reptus figures for Warlord, and at most grunt units tend to consist of 3 poses.
We already use a lot of Bones figures for playing Songs of Blades and Heroes. That's worked out pretty well.
This would be something I'd like to see as well.
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Post by: Barzam
I wouldn't mind if they just continued to them as they are, but for troop builder units, like let's say the zombie that came out in the very first wave of Bones, that guy was originally part of a group of three. I say when you have figures that normally come in a set as metal figures, carry that over to the plastic. Much easier to troop build and get a bit of sculpt variety that way. Plus, I'd just like to be able to get all of the Crimson Knights, High Elf Royal Guards, and Overlord Knights all in plastic.
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Post by: corgan
 Barzam wrote:I wouldn't mind if they just continued to them as they are, but for troop builder units, like let's say the zombie that came out in the very first wave of Bones, that guy was originally part of a group of three. I say when you have figures that normally come in a set as metal figures, carry that over to the plastic. Much easier to troop build and get a bit of sculpt variety that way. Plus, I'd just like to be able to get all of the Crimson Knights, High Elf Royal Guards, and Overlord Knights all in plastic.
Precisely. Couldn't agree more
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Post by: Azazelx
You guys really should get over to the Reaper forums to add your voices to this before it's all nailed down 100%. Even if you don't want to post and instead PM Bryan or Ed etc.
In the Bones 2 thread, they're arguing about whether centaurs should be "sensibly dressed" or not..
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I like my centaurs with giant comedy sombrero's on or maybe top hats (top hats always make a mini look classy)
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
 Azazelx wrote:You guys really should get over to the Reaper forums to add your voices to this before it's all nailed down 100%. Even if you don't want to post and instead PM Bryan or Ed etc.
In the Bones 2 thread, they're arguing about whether centaurs should be "sensibly dressed" or not..
A discussion as old as time itself. The vocal minority tends to think that sensible armor, clothes, poses and shoes will sell. Speaking with owners of companies and looking at publicly available data...cheese cake out sells those sorts of figures by broad margins. Heck, for Reaper, the #58 best selling figure out of nearly 3000 figures is a female victim on a spit (naked, tied up and screaming). How many of those does a person need? Apparently, quite a few.
Reaper does better than some companies in that regard, but many of the ones who are the "most sensible" end up being overall losses for them when you look at sales versus costs (molds, sculpting, masters and then the actual production). When they have to cast up a full mold of figures for one sale...those extra figures either get tossed back in the smelting pot or have to sit around gathering dust and need to be inventoried ( more costs).
For a high cost of entry material like Bones...those can drag down overall sales a lot.
But, yes...I had heard that they have pciked the first 100 or so figures, and are pretty solid on those, unfortunately I could not get any info on which ones though. Based on my conversation, I was lead to believe that artwork was done for those as well as the general submission to KS. One more meeting to make sure no changes need to be made. Shoot the intro video. Submit the package to KS for approval. Roughly a week and a half to two weeks till launch (barring significant unforeseen problems). Should give them enough time to get things back to business as usual and deal with the various missing/damaged figures from the last KS.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Sean_OBrien wrote:Regarding the wargame vs RPG issue...Reaper is owned by wargamers, but their customer base is primarily RPG players. They want to sell more to Wargamers, but that is a bigger gamble because of the costs involved in creating more molds or designing multipart figures.
Quite true. Back when I used to play Warlord at the Reaper factory (yay, my name is in the Overlords book as a playtester!), I remember them telling me that they would love to have more cavalry in the game, but cavalry models don't sell as well because the RPG players don't really buy them.
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Post by: Azazelx
Reaper do have the depth to provide units to wargamers, particularly if they were to release more of the monsters in bones material so a unit of 3 costs <$10 rather than $22us/$37au each for one metal or $47us/$74au for 3 plastics.
Having a look at their site, they have more than 10 troll models in their range (not counting the orcs etc that turn up for a search of "troll" or the ones who look like ogres).
About 17 Ogres that look the part, including shamans, heroes, etc. (plus those two trolls).
And so on it goes. These larger monsters are aksio the ones that seem to cast better in boneium over small finely detailed figures, and Jason Weibe faces...
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Post by: Laughing Man
Honestly considering using the Fire Giants as Chaos Ogres. Not really cheaper, but definitely better sculpts. I've also got several gibbering mouther sculpts I'm using as chaos spawn. Of course, the vast majority of Bones stuff I've got is for RPGs, as it should be.
Really though, I'm just hoping for the rest of the chromatic dragons to get sculpts. There's a severe dearth of green dragons out there, as well as blues. Reds, blacks, and whites seem to get all the love, and (inexplicably) dracoliches.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Well, I've posted some of my thoughts in the Bones forum. Hope it helps.
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Post by: Sir Motor
Bones is really great for RPG player like me.
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Post by: Azazelx
 Laughing Man wrote:Honestly considering using the Fire Giants as Chaos Ogres. Not really cheaper, but definitely better sculpts. I've also got several gibbering mouther sculpts I'm using as chaos spawn. Of course, the vast majority of Bones stuff I've got is for RPGs, as it should be.
Really though, I'm just hoping for the rest of the chromatic dragons to get sculpts. There's a severe dearth of green dragons out there, as well as blues. Reds, blacks, and whites seem to get all the love, and (inexplicably) dracoliches.
Is there any reason you can't just paint any of the generic dragon sculpts green or blue? I'm ignorant of a lot of the various D&D campaign-worlds'/Pathfinder fluff, but there were like 5 different non-undead dragons in Bones 1, so unless Green or Blue ones (and the rest, for that matter) have really specific looks in the D&D world you play in...
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Post by: SilverMK2
Azazelx wrote: Laughing Man wrote:Honestly considering using the Fire Giants as Chaos Ogres. Not really cheaper, but definitely better sculpts. I've also got several gibbering mouther sculpts I'm using as chaos spawn. Of course, the vast majority of Bones stuff I've got is for RPGs, as it should be.
Really though, I'm just hoping for the rest of the chromatic dragons to get sculpts. There's a severe dearth of green dragons out there, as well as blues. Reds, blacks, and whites seem to get all the love, and (inexplicably) dracoliches.
Is there any reason you can't just paint any of the generic dragon sculpts green or blue? I'm ignorant of a lot of the various D&D campaign-worlds'/Pathfinder fluff, but there were like 5 different non-undead dragons in Bones 1, so unless Green or Blue ones (and the rest, for that matter) have really specific looks in the D&D world you play in...
The coloured dragons do have some distinct looks, some more so than others. Personally I would probably just use "generic dragon number 3" and call it whatever kind of dragon it is supposed to be in the RP, but I can see the desire to have a wider range. Certainly if they are in this cheaper material, and certainly if some of the more obscure dragons are made.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Teasers look to be coming for this one...
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Post by: Cyporiean
Oh good, another Dragon.
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Post by: decker_cky
Chimera? Doesn't seem to match this one, but you can see the multiple heads.
http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/chimera/sku-down/02674
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Post by: Azazelx
Yep Chimera. Good spot.
Don't worry Cyporean, you don't actually have to go in on it, or buy any of the add-ons. Rest assured, there will be dragons.
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Post by: decker_cky
Probably sell a few of those to Warriors of Chaos players.
@Cyporiean: You can clearly see the outline of two heads.
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Post by: Azazelx
They only seem to have one chimera on the store, and this doesn't match the profile. Might be a new one.
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Post by: Cyporiean
I can clearly see one head, and the outline of something else that might be a second head or it might be a claw.
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Post by: Azazelx
I'd have agreed with you, but to me it look more like a ruff/mane under the neck of the lower one.
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Besides, as you noted with some glee, there's already quite a few dragons out there in Bones, and as I noted, none chimeras.
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Post by: Alpharius
I suppose we will find out soon enough?
I only got a few things last time around... I wonder how many/much I'll be in for this time?
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
A lot will depend on what comes down the pipe and what/how you play. Just this chimera for example, assuming it is the one (or close to it) from the metal catalog, may be an attractive option as opposed to the GW chimera. I think that one is a bit over 4 inches long while this guy is about 3 inches from heads to tail. A savings of $30 or so retail (and say...$38 with a KS price point) might make you overlook that inch or so as long as the base is the same size.
$38 in savings is already a good way into a $100 pledge package. Couple more of those and the deal gets to be too good to pass up. Of course if you play Infinity or Star Wars or some other game which isnt in a generic style, then you might not be as tempted.
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Post by: Alpharius
I've just started a 1E AD&D campaign with a bunch of people.
I'm in trouble here!
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Post by: Splod
Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.
Long live metal! \m/
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Post by: overtyrant
 Splod wrote:Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.
Long live metal! \m/
Have you played with any of the larger figures (from frost giant to dragon's)? They are FAR superior to metal and makes them affordable.
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Post by: SilverMK2
overtyrant wrote: Splod wrote:Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.
Long live metal! \m/
Have you played with any of the larger figures (from frost giant to dragon's)? They are FAR superior to metal and makes them affordable.
And they're not 90 thousand tonnes requiring girders to pin them together.
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Post by: timetowaste85
I'm hoping 'round 2' has a Bones Phoenix. I need two of the buggers for my Basilean army. Ok, want two. Not that there's a difference for gamers, if we want something, it's also a need.
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Post by: Azazelx
Splod wrote:Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.
Long live metal! \m/
Bones comes into it's own with the larger beasties. Particularly the large, multipart ones. Automatically Appended Next Post:  timetowaste85 wrote:I'm hoping 'round 2' has a Bones Phoenix. I need two of the buggers for my Basilean army. Ok, want two. Not that there's a difference for gamers, if we want something, it's also a need.
Hm, High Elves use those now, don't they? 
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Post by: timetowaste85
Azazelx wrote: Splod wrote:Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.
Long live metal! \m/
Bones comes into it's own with the larger beasties. Particularly the large, multipart ones.
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timetowaste85 wrote:I'm hoping 'round 2' has a Bones Phoenix. I need two of the buggers for my Basilean army. Ok, want two. Not that there's a difference for gamers, if we want something, it's also a need.
Hm, High Elves use those now, don't they?
$60 for a GW one, or $5 for a Bones one...hmmm...not hard.
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Post by: Adder Ant
The GW phoenix isn't very good though, even at $5
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Post by: RiTides
Sean_OBrien wrote:Wyrmgear is all PVC, just like the rest of the figures, just a more rigid formula was used for the wings. PVC can be just as sharp as any other plastic, it is mearly a question of the formula you use and the molds you shoot it into.
Regarding the CAV figures, those are test shots IIRC, not from a production mold. As a result, they do look a little soft. I believe that they are going to be rolled out seperate from the KS2 campaign the last I had heard. The final scuplts had been chosen earlier this summer (12 or 16 in total...brain is a bit foggy on that) and it will be part of a larger rerelease of the Bones figures and the updated rules sometime this fall.
I disagree... sharp edges on PVC casts tend to be soft. This is why Wrath of Kings was going to mold weapons out of polystyrene, to keep the sharp edges.
PVC is much better for organic models, imo.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Seriously though: what other models, approximately that size, of something like a phoenix are there on the market right now? Cornering the market is real easy if your one product gets a free monopoly
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Post by: Azazelx
Phoenix would be a good one to see, especially if they pull it off well and the plastic is more like WyrmGear and less like one of the ones with softer edges.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Which large models were all that soft, though? I'm having my doubts over nethyrmaul (not yet painted, so reserving judgement!) but the PF red dragon, the white/ice dragon (whatsisname) and hydra are all awesome. Having my doubts Wrt brittleness of wyrmgear wings, actually; they don't feel as tough as the other bones stuff...
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Post by: RiTides
I only have one Bones model, a storm giant... but the sword is extremely flexible and doesn't have a sharp edge. The body of the model looks really good, but I wish they could make the weapons separate pieces and of a different material.
Doing that was a really good idea by the team behind Wrath of Kings, and I hope it catches on!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
The Storm Giant is famous for his flaccid noodle-sword. Some of the other giants are much stiffer.
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Post by: Kirasu
Splod wrote:Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.
Long live metal! \m/
I question your sanity and look forward greatly to more bones
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Post by: RiTides
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:The Storm Giant is famous for his flaccid noodle-sword. Some of the other giants are much stiffer.
But this is a problem for me if I'm paying upfront via a KS campaign... how do I know which models will turn out well in the material, and which won't? I know people in Bones 1 felt they got such a good deal, it didn't matter if they chucked some of the figures, but if I'm only after a few it matters quite a bit.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 RiTides wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:The Storm Giant is famous for his flaccid noodle-sword. Some of the other giants are much stiffer.
But this is a problem for me if I'm paying upfront via a KS campaign... how do I know which models will turn out well in the material, and which won't? I know people in Bones 1 felt they got such a good deal, it didn't matter if they chucked some of the figures, but if I'm only after a few it matters quite a bit.
Actually, I just wanted to use "flaccid noodle" in a post.
I have been pretty vocal on the Mantic forums about the uneven quality of the Bones material and the rubbery quality some of them have. (I think I'm the reason the mods quietly killed the thread on spongey Bones.) So, yes, I am on board with you there. However, it looks like Reaper will be replacing some of the pieces I complained about the most, so it is possible. Also, my storm giant has a fairly firm sword, so you might be able to get a decent replacement if you contact them, although you might want to give them some time to finish all the KS replacements since it seems like their idea of replacing miscast parts is to grab blindly at a bin full of 'maybes' and toss them in a box for you.
If that is too much of a hassle, apparently you can heat up the giant in boiling water and then shove a sharpened rod or paperclip into the sword to keep it straight.
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Post by: ced1106
RiTides wrote:But this is a problem for me if I'm paying upfront via a KS campaign... how do I know which models will turn out well in the material, and which won't? I know people in Bones 1 felt they got such a good deal, it didn't matter if they chucked some of the figures, but if I'm only after a few it matters quite a bit.
In this case, you just don't pledge during the KS. You wait until the models hit retail and cherry-pick which ones you want. That's why you (hopefully) get a deep discount during the KS. You're taking on the added risk that the miniature isn't up to your standards.
As for Reaper and wargamers, AFAIK, Reaper didn't want to take the risk of plastic injection, so didn't enter plastic models until very late -- namely the Bones KS. Maybe they had a good thing with the RPG market and didn't want the risk of taking on GW. Does anyone know why Mantic took on GW with Warpath et al.? My impression of Mantic is Alessandro, one of the founders (?) wanted to release his own games as well as models, so his business strategy is to release various different miniature skirmish games, which seems to work well with KS. AFAIK, Reaper doesn't have this expertise, so didn't go in the wargamer direction?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I didn't jump on the original kickstarter, and was quite upset about it for a while- at least until things hit retail. Did I get as great a deal as those that backed it? Nope. Was I able to get just the things I wanted? Yup. Have I bought a bunch of stuff on impulse because it was cheap? Hell yeah.
Have I also skipped on a few guys because I was feeling lazy and didn't want to fix all their flaccid noodle weapons? Guilty as charged.
I still wonder if Reaper is going to do more with the Warlord property. Why not try pulling all those RPG players in with a tighter game at more of a skirmish level?
I'm just getting impatient since there's so many other damn things I want to spend money on!
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Post by: ced1106
Well, as someone who enjoys both RPGs and skirmish miniatures, I can say that there's not *that* much overlap between RPGs and skirmish games. With RPGs, you (can) roleplay a character, something you can't with skirmish games. With skirmish games, you engage in strategy and tactics, something not always important for roleplayers. AFAIK, Skirmish games don't have the munchkiny ZOMG TREASURE aspect rpgs can have. Plus, ther'es no DM to save your butt when you do something stupid. (:
I'm also under the impression that RPGers don't paint like skimish miniature gamers do. Reaper found out that many of their customers *don't* paint. They rip out a miniature from the blister, put it on the table, and that's it. I suspect that's why the mini's come pre-assembled. Boardgamers are another group of mini's players who rarely paint their miniatures, as reflected in the low quality of boardgaming plastic.
Anyway, good to see that Reaper has *some* Bones you're interested in! If you spend a week or so painting a miniature, I'm not sure if the Bones KS was that good of an idea -- 240+ miniatures is not a bargain if you can't paint them!
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
RiTides wrote:I only have one Bones model, a storm giant... but the sword is extremely flexible and doesn't have a sharp edge. The body of the model looks really good, but I wish they could make the weapons separate pieces and of a different material.
Doing that was a really good idea by the team behind Wrath of Kings, and I hope it catches on!
I actually have a few chunks of brass which I am grinding down to do weapon swaps for the overly bendy swords. One giants, I am planning on doing some brass etching to add more complex designs up the shaft of the weapons. While I could see how it might be problematic for some people, I very rarely leave weapons stock anyway, so it doesnt bother me much at all.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Did anyone notice this graphic today on the front page of Reaper's site?
That's a good sign, right?
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Post by: timetowaste85
I still want those damn Phoenixes. Lol. I may still buy a couple metals, they're cheap enough already ($15 each). And they look "proper" with Mantic stuff. That said, if they go the Bones way, I'll buy more.
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Post by: ced1106
If you can wait until November, Reaper should have its "12 Days of Christmas" promotion, where they offer a previously limited edition miniature (one each of the 12 days) with a minimum purchase. Last year, it was $35, and they threw in a Christmas Wreath dark green paint.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
3 days, 16 hours, 17 minutes till launch.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
And it will be a long, irritating, deliberately slow weekend for me now just to make it seem even further off than it is.
Good to know we've got a definite starting point!
Time to start saving up all those pennies!
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Post by: porkuslime
dang.. that is coming faster than I hoped..
I am tons curious as to what is going to be in there..
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Post by: sparkywtf
I hope I can convince my GF to let me back this. It through a wrench in the not spending any money besides on bills for the next 6 months, but maybe if I do some side work I can swing it.
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Post by: Azazelx
ced1106 wrote:If you can wait until November, Reaper should have its "12 Days of Christmas" promotion, where they offer a previously limited edition miniature (one each of the 12 days) with a minimum purchase. Last year, it was $35, and they threw in a Christmas Wreath dark green paint.
A different figure each day? - so you'd (theoretically) need to spend $35 per day to get them all?
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Post by: ced1106
Azazelx wrote:ced1106 wrote:If you can wait until November, Reaper should have its "12 Days of Christmas" promotion, where they offer a previously limited edition miniature (one each of the 12 days) with a minimum purchase. Last year, it was $35, and they threw in a Christmas Wreath dark green paint.
A different figure each day? - so you'd (theoretically) need to spend $35 per day to get them all?
You could, but the offering's more like a scattershot of previous limited editions. I don't recall if anyone tried for all 12, but I know a few who bought more than one miniature.
Here's what they had for 2012: http://thegaminggang.com/2012/12/reaper-in-the-midst-of-their-12-days-of-reaper/
Seven of them are Sophies, but anyone who's collecting Sophies already knows they're going to pay a lot for the figures!
Myself, I might pick up their NMM LTPK and a blonde paint triad...
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Is the coming sooner line in reference to delivery?
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Post by: Azazelx
ced1106 wrote: Azazelx wrote:
You could, but the offering's more like a scattershot of previous limited editions. I don't recall if anyone tried for all 12, but I know a few who bought more than one miniature.
Here's what they had for 2012: http://thegaminggang.com/2012/12/reaper-in-the-midst-of-their-12-days-of-reaper/
Seven of them are Sophies, but anyone who's collecting Sophies already knows they're going to pay a lot for the figures!
Myself, I might pick up their NMM LTPK and a blonde paint triad...
Looks interesting. How many more Sophies are there beyond the boxed set from KS1?
Actually, I think I like the little chibi hedgehogs and such, and the Ogre and core hound looking things in that pic more than the Sophies...
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Post by: ced1106
Azazelx wrote:Looks interesting. How many more Sophies are there beyond the boxed set from KS1?
Actually, I think I like the little chibi hedgehogs and such, and the Ogre and core hound looking things in that pic more than the Sophies...
Where's Sophie thread : http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/51104-is-there-a-complete-list-of-all-sophies/
FRPGames has a Sophies under $10 : http://www.frpgames.com/cart.php?m=search&s=reaper+sophie
The hedgehog was a hard-to-find limited edition : http://www.reapermini.com/legionofjusticeandcaeke
The Ogre and hound are easy-to-find CollectA figures: http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Collecta/latest/page4
No idea of mouslings will be in the second KS, so here're the in-print metals you can order in November direct from Reaper : http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/mousling
Unfortunately, Reaper's online store only lists some of its category, so you might not find a miniature unless you know what to search for. Try the Reaper forums for help if a certain kind of miniature interests you!
Good luck!
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Keep in mind though, Collect A figures are not miniatures and are not really Reaper and are not listed with the proper size (I believe the mm listing should be cm instead, but I cant recall right now). The company which makes them also happens to own the factory which the Bones/LE figures are made in, and when setting up that program, they arranged to be the North American distributer for the Collect A line.
Collect A figures themselves are more in line with stuff from Schleich and similiar toy companies. Some of them may be useful, but you will want to verify the size before you purchase them.
Oh yah, and just a bit over 48 hours now.
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Post by: frozenwastes
I have a Collect-A dinosaur. It ended up being too small for 28mm, but perfect for 15mm as an extra large specimen. I also noticed that their size isn't consistent. There are multiple scales for the same dino species and one species might not be in the same scale as another. They're nice, but just beneath Schleich in quality.
I'm going to wait and see on the Bones 2 KS. I'm sure one of my friends will go in on it and I'll probably add stuff to their pledge as I don't really want a dump of 100+ unpainted miniatures.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I hope they have Dinosaurs in bones 2.
did all previous bone contributers get theirs?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 hotsauceman1 wrote:I hope they have Dinosaurs in bones 2.
did all previous bone contributers get theirs?
How about this? Or this?
They aren't Reaper products, but they are basically Bones dinosaurs.
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Post by: Azazelx
Thank you Ced for such a detailed post! I'm not a diehard Reaper Fan (meaning I'm not a Reaper collector, though I do like their models and have quite a lot of them, aside from Bones) so my "Sophie Collection" is simply made up of the ones offered in Bones 1. I guess if they offer something similar in KS2 I'll pick it up as well, and given that I dropped close to a grand on Bones 1, I might hold off on buying more Reaper products for a month or so, and see what's on offer in the next KS. There's a few figures I'd like to get for FRP games, but since the free shipping threshold for AU was recently doubled to US$100, it's a lot harder to get that much I want worked out (particularly presuming a Vampire II) will be around that much.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
hotsauceman1 wrote:I hope they have Dinosaurs in bones 2.
did all previous bone contributers get theirs?
All the regularl backers have had theirs (and they've at least made a start on replacements for where there were missing damaged items, not sure if that's finished yet)
but I've seen a few reports of retail backers (undertaker level) still waiting
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Post by: porkuslime
so this should be going live.. soon? Like.. today?
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Post by: RiTides
Orlando, I'm guessing you meant that all of the "regular" backers have received theirs, but not all of the "retailer" backers.
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Post by: ironicsilence
so when is the new KS suppose to happen?
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Post by: ironicsilence
thanks, not sure why i didnt just check the damn site myself....that giant count down is hard to miss.
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Post by: bbb
Anyone want to start a pool? I'll say the funding level will be met by 10:30 AM EST and they'll break 250k on day one.
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Post by: RoninXiC
If this one is similar to the other... it's going to skyrocket like a madman.
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Post by: ironicsilence
The first KS will be a tough act to follow. I wonder if they will have a hard time living up to the first one.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I wonder if it will fund as fast as Zombicide 2, if not faster.
How long did that take until it hit a million?
This could quite possibly end up being the biggest tabletop kickstarter if they play their cards right.
I'm trying to keep my expectations in check. I sure hope they come up with some interesting stuff, since there's supposed to be a lot of new sculpts showing up.
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Post by: scarletsquig
$10 mil, easy. If they get wargamers interested.
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Post by: Azreal13
EST is 5 hours behind GMT?
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Post by: Makaleth
That would be huge!! The last stretch goal would be $1m by itself
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Pretty sure this link will work.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20131001T09&p1=70&p2=137
The launch is 9 AM, Oct 1 CST. You should be able to enter in your local time to calculate when to wake up, schedule your coffee break or otherwise get to a computer.
This one will no doubt be record setting, the first Bones campaign is currently the #6 most funded KS campaign and there is little reason to think that this one wont do as well or better than that one. No other tabletop games are in the top 10.
I tend to agree that if they do more units which are wargamer friendly it will help to pool in more who sat out the last round, but they still have to remain conscious of their base who are roleplayers. Ive been bugging them about it for several months and the past few days they have gone mum on talking much about it at all...so I think they have some big plans which they want to get a lot of impact from at launch. Normally they are pretty open about discussing plans.
In any case, just a bit over 15 hours till we find out.
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Post by: ced1106
Azazelx wrote:Thank you Ced for such a detailed post! I'm not a diehard Reaper Fan (meaning I'm not a Reaper collector, though I do like their models and have quite a lot of them, aside from Bones) so my "Sophie Collection" is simply made up of the ones offered in Bones 1. I guess if they offer something similar in KS2 I'll pick it up as well, and given that I dropped close to a grand on Bones 1, I might hold off on buying more Reaper products for a month or so, and see what's on offer in the next KS. There's a few figures I'd like to get for FRP games, but since the free shipping threshold for AU was recently doubled to US$100, it's a lot harder to get that much I want worked out (particularly presuming a Vampire II) will be around that much.
You dropped 1K and you're not diehard fan? I see...
Yeah, the free shipping threshold went up for the US folks, too. I hope international shipping won't be too much. For KS1, the international shipping make the Vampire pledges $125, which was still about fifty cents per figure. Pretty interesting that it may be more cost-effective to buy a Vampire and give away or sell of cheap whatever mini's you don't want.
Random rambling time! (: My gut reaction is that Reaper's catching up with their target customer base of RPGers. AFAIK, Reaper was actually a pretty early "name brand" KS, and many customers familiar with the company missed out on the previous KS. Reaper's pretty much been targeting the RPG market for the last umpteen years, and still has a large catalog of miniatures that haven't been converted to Bones. My impression is that they really haven't been supporting their existing miniature game systems because they don't need to, so they're not presently oriented towards miniature skirmish gamers. Maybe they've decided to give that chunk of the KS market to CMON and Mantic, much like they gave the miniatures skirmish market to GW long ago. If you look at the RPG miniatures market today vs. many years ago, Grenadier is gone, Ral Partha is gone, and Reaper is about all that's left?
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Post by: Azazelx
I'm a fan of good deals, obviously.
Yeah, the free shipping threshold went up for the US folks, too. I hope international shipping won't be too much. For KS1, the international shipping make the Vampire pledges $125, which was still about fifty cents per figure. Pretty interesting that it may be more cost-effective to buy a Vampire and give away or sell of cheap whatever mini's you don't want.
Random rambling time! (: My gut reaction is that Reaper's catching up with their target customer base of RPGers. AFAIK, Reaper was actually a pretty early "name brand" KS, and many customers familiar with the company missed out on the previous KS. Reaper's pretty much been targeting the RPG market for the last umpteen years, and still has a large catalog of miniatures that haven't been converted to Bones. My impression is that they really haven't been supporting their existing miniature game systems because they don't need to, so they're not presently oriented towards miniature skirmish gamers. Maybe they've decided to give that chunk of the KS market to CMON and Mantic, much like they gave the miniatures skirmish market to GW long ago. If you look at the RPG miniatures market today vs. many years ago, Grenadier is gone, Ral Partha is gone, and Reaper is about all that's left?
Yeah, I remember the pre-Reaper days, and when their figures started to show up in the former FLGS. Nowadays they pretty much have the old RP/Grenadier market for all the RPG players sewn up. I don't know if they "gave" the skirmish market to GW, as GW already had it pretty firmly sewn up even when Warlord was release and at it's peak. They have a good opportunity to really pull some of the Fantasy Wargamer market now with their very reasonably priced monsters, as GW's prices keep shooting up into the stratosphere, and their human-sized sculpts - even in Bones - are better than most of Mantic's and priced at a fraction of GW's.
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Post by: Herzlos
From what I can tell, they lost quite a lot on shipping so I'm not expecting a deal as good as the first one, especially for ROW backers.
I'll still be keeping an eye on it with the aim of trying to snag an EB if there is one, and then wait til towards the end to decide if it's worth going in for. In reality I decided I didn't need most of my first round and sold it off, so I'm going to be a bit more cautious and won't be jumping in purely because everything is so cheap.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Exact same time as my dental appointment today. Typical. :p
Oh well, should be able to nab an early bird regardless, definitely don't want to miss this!
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
http://www.reapermini.com/misc/_KSTWO/Tease2.jpg
Looks like they changed the color scheme for this year. 2 hours to go.
Dont feel too bad about the dental appointment, I will be stuck in planning meetings with the local DAV as we figure out how and where we will be driving the retirees from the Enlisted Village now that the government has shut down...
If I am lucky I might be able to get a chance to peak at it around noon, hopefully by then the first 15 or 20 stretch goals will have fallen.
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Post by: Gamingdog
I was thinking wouldn't it be cool to see Hasslefree Bones. Back in May Kev White was invited to Reaper Con. to the best of my knowledge Kev hasn't sculpted any Reaper miniatures before. so it might be possible that we see some Kev White sculpts this time around either new ones or perhaps some of his Hasslefree one...Just Supposing
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Post by: sparkywtf
scarletsquig wrote:
Exact same time as my dental appointment today. Typical. :p
Oh well, should be able to nab an early bird regardless, definitely don't want to miss this!
Crap now that you say that, I have a dental appointment at the same time too!
edit: I lied, it is at 9:10. Gives me enough time to see the launch!
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Post by: Herzlos
Gamingdog wrote:I was thinking wouldn't it be cool to see Hasslefree Bones. Back in May Kev White was invited to Reaper Con. to the best of my knowledge Kev hasn't sculpted any Reaper miniatures before. so it might be possible that we see some Kev White sculpts this time around either new ones or perhaps some of his Hasslefree one...Just Supposing
If that was the case, any existing willpower regarding this KS will evaporate.
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Post by: bbb
mmm... Bones Grymn...that would be nice...
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Post by: Mr Gutsy
If Reaper happen to have any EB pledges i will probably try to grab one when the campaign goes live, but if not i will be waiting until the final few days to see if this becomes worthwhile to me.
I really wasn't happy with the way Reaper handled the ROW shipping during the first campaign, they waited almost a month to actually announce why the ROW orders were taking so long to ship. Which in the end was a perfectly understandable reason, but the lack of communication up until that point was enough to make me question if i would support Reaper's next Kickstarter attempt.
Somewhat off topic, but didn't Hasslefree mention they had plans to run a few Kickstarters over on their Facebook page? i remember reading the actual post but i can't find it anymore. (I'm really starting to think i may have actually dreamed it...)
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Post by: ironicsilence
I wonder if the kickstarter website is going to be able to survive the launch surge
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Post by: bbb
I've been wondering that myself as I keep checking the time...
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Post by: ironicsilence
I guess in the same vein will reaper's website be able to handle all the people mashing F5 trying to get the link
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Post by: warboss
Is there a website url for this already since it is scheduled?
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Post by: bbb
We will know in 21 mins...
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Post by: scarletsquig
Well, I might be drooling all over my keyboard thanks to the anaesthetic, but the appointment was quick and I got back in time for the KS launch.
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Post by: Taarnak
Do we have a link yet?
Hasslefree in Bones would make me very happy, but I won't hold my breath.
~Eric
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Post by: ironicsilence
no link yet but clock is about to hit 0
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Post by: Bolognesus
aaaand, reapermini.com is starting to give off smoke 
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Post by: ironicsilence
Wow September 2014 shipping
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Post by: bbb
FUNDED!
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Did it in under 4 mins...
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Post by: scarletsquig
We're Sorry
An error occurred when we tried to process your request.
Rest assured, we're working to resolve the problem as soon as possible.
**** amazon payments :(
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Post by: Catyrpelius
scarletsquig wrote:We're Sorry
An error occurred when we tried to process your request.
Rest assured, we're working to resolve the problem as soon as possible.
**** amazon payments :(
I was able to just hit the refresh button and have it work.
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Post by: Taarnak
scarletsquig wrote:We're Sorry
An error occurred when we tried to process your request.
Rest assured, we're working to resolve the problem as soon as possible.
**** amazon payments :(
I got that too. Had to try a few times but it went through.
~Eric
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Post by: ironicsilence
Not sure why people are pledging for wave 2 shipping with plenty of wave 1 still left
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Post by: zedmeister
Wow it's gone nuts $50k already!
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Post by: bbb
interesting that it looks like there are only $100 reward levels for 4000 people so far. I know they can add more later at least.
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Post by: KoganStyle
wow in between starting to pledge and completing the process, 100 early-birds were snapped up!
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Post by: RoninXiC
Got myself a wave 1 shipping pledge.. AT THE MOMENT the amount of miniatures surely is not amazing... but... you know.. Reaper and stuff
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Post by: decker_cky
This is going up insanely fast. $60,000 already.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Dragon add on @ 75k.
guessing 30 seconds until next stretch?
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Post by: RoninXiC
AAaannd first stretchgoal ^^
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Post by: warboss
I'm guessing the thread title needs a change now that it's here.
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Post by: bbb
$70,000+
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Post by: decker_cky
And dragon is available.
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Post by: cyphertheory
thats some amazing speed!
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Post by: tyrant of loserville
Yeah, this is pretty funny. I missed the last one definitely not gonna miss this one. 
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Woot! Got my early bird in! Wonder how many stretches will go down today?
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Post by: RoninXiC
aaand second strechgoal
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Post by: cyphertheory
Would not be surprised if they went past the 300k mark in the first 24 hours at this rate
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Post by: Mr. Burning
not sold on the core set, I put a$1 on so i can pick and choose stretch goal add ons.
Aaaaand that Dragon is a must
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Post by: RoninXiC
Uh, love the "lords of darkness" +10$ option.
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Post by: bbb
over 100K
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Post by: Bolognesus
I think KS upgraded their servers with some of these big initial and end rushes lately - it's all going quite well. didn't use to be like that, to say the least.
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Post by: decker_cky
Dungeon monsters are a bit more interesting than the heroes already added. Already 65 minis for $100 (+ shipping if international).
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Post by: ironicsilence
 Mr. Burning wrote:not sold on the core set, I put a$1 on so i can pick and choose stretch goal add ons.
Aaaaand that Dragon is a must
keep in mind all the "stretch goals" are getting added to the core set once a certain dollar amount is hit, i believe
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Post by: RoninXiC
Only the purple SG will be added for free.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
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Post by: Mr. Burning
sod it, in for $100 as Lord Blackfang says, lets see what shipping is like.....
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Post by: judgedoug
 lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
someone else would gladly take your pledge spot.
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Post by: ulgurstasta
lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
Yeah "Actual shipping costs" sounds scary D:
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Post by: ironicsilence
Whos the brave soul that will create the official bones 2 thread? I'd suggest waiting till tomorrow to make it as today is likely to be very update heavy
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 ulgurstasta wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
Yeah "Actual shipping costs" sounds scary D:
could be awful or not too bad depending on what shipping method they use. USPS is nuts for international. Assuming the amount of figs turns out to be similar to bones 1 the boxes didnt have all that much weight to them
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Post by: RoninXiC
lol
Love it
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Post by: ulgurstasta
YESSSSS! 
Dammit, Ninja'd 
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Post by: porkuslime
175K+ now..
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Post by: decker_cky
This is going to hit $200,000 in half an hour!
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Post by: Herzlos
$200K met.
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Post by: Alpharius
Title updated.
It is all up to timd now...
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Post by: RoninXiC
Isn't it still super early in the States? I guess this one will gather up some speed in the "near future"
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Post by: Alpharius
Did BONES I have an 11 month to delivery thing too?
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Post by: ironicsilence
went live at 9am (central time) in the states so most people are up Automatically Appended Next Post:
no it didnt, the large shipping time is one thing that might make me drop my pledge
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Post by: RoninXiC
only 100 of the early backer pledges left
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Post by: Alpharius
 ironicsilence wrote:went live at 9am (central time) in the states so most people are up
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no it didnt, the large shipping time is one thing that might make me drop my pledge
I didn't think so, but BONES I was also rather late too, right?
I'm guessing that's a 'lesson learned' for them then?
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Post by: Taarnak
 Alpharius wrote: ironicsilence wrote:went live at 9am (central time) in the states so most people are up
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no it didnt, the large shipping time is one thing that might make me drop my pledge
I didn't think so, but BONES I was also rather late too, right?
I'm guessing that's a 'lesson learned' for them then?
This would be my guess as well. Plus it allows them to possibly pull a Scotty.
~Eric
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Im still waiting to find out the customs charges for Bones I. If they are too excessive ill have no choice to drop my pledge for this KS. 'Actual shipping costs' needs clarification too.....
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Post by: judgedoug
Let's see it took Bones 1 from August 2012 to September 2013 to fulfill. So 11 month lead time just sounds like they were sick of people complaining that all million packages weren't packed and shipped on the first day
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Post by: General Seric
Wow, this is really going crazy... already at $250,000
Now I have to decide if I want the $100 level or just some extras.
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Post by: decker_cky
I assume the delivery date is an attempt at a worst case kind of thing. Underpromise - overdeliver kind of deal. Apparently a few international backers still haven't received their Bones 1 shipments.
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Post by: ironicsilence
Alpharius wrote: ironicsilence wrote:went live at 9am (central time) in the states so most people are up
Automatically Appended Next Post:
no it didnt, the large shipping time is one thing that might make me drop my pledge
I didn't think so, but BONES I was also rather late too, right?
I'm guessing that's a 'lesson learned' for them then?
thats a good shout, bones 1 had a march 2013 ship date, and I dont remember when it came but I think it was a few months late Automatically Appended Next Post: early bird wave 1 is gone
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Post by: RoninXiC
I guess they did not anticipate Bones 1 to get THAT high and thus their estimated delivery date was based on a much lower amount of miniatures/backers.
They are playing it safe and that can ONLY be considered professional.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
forget 300k in 24 hours. This is going to hit that in 1 hour. Im betting 500k by end day.
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Post by: Forar
lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
Same here. I was interested, but despite knowing that the $100 tier will be an amazing value, I'm afraid the S&H (plus possible border fees) might amount to "$Texas", and I've already spent that on Robotech minis. No real need to buy in for other games at the moment, but I'll pop in a dollar to keep my options open. Wave two being estimated a month after wave one doesn't seem like that bad a deal.
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Post by: RoninXiC
Paint set... mmhh.. yeah, why not ^^
12 colo(u)s for $18 is not that bad.
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Post by: Herzlos
lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
You're not; you're paying what it'll cost to ship to your country, so they don't need to provide a single ROW shipping cost. Maybe they'll provide a few tiers of shipping as well so you can chose whatever level you feel provides the best value. I think they also underestimated the shipping cost last time and got burned pretty badly.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
RoninXiC wrote:Isn't it still super early in the States? I guess this one will gather up some speed in the "near future"
For the western US it is, by for us in the east it's almost lunch time.
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Post by: corgan
I don't get it
In their website they mention: "In January 2013, the United States Postal Service updated their service rates and raised their prices across the board. While we can still provide a free shipping option to domestic and international purchases placed in our store, the order minimums had to go up to match.
Effectively immediately, we offer free shipping on orders placed in US Dollars for $35, €70 Euros, £60 GBP, or $100 AUD"
If they can do it for their normal orders fos such prices why not also for the Kickstarter?
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Post by: cyphertheory
 DiabolicAl wrote:forget 300k in 24 hours. This is going to hit that in 1 hour. Im betting 500k by end day.
I don't think you are wrong! amazing
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Post by: decker_cky
Normal prices includes a markup. Bones do not. If you want Bones with free shipping, order them from the Reaper website. You'll end up paying much more.
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Post by: RiTides
I like those alternate bugbear sculpts. Wish there was a way to buy them as an add-on instead of only being able to get them as part of the core set, that would've likely gotten me to pledge.
Are those bugbears currently available in metal? I had only seen Tre Manor's one bugbear sculpt before (which I bought 2 of in metal ) not these.
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Post by: judgedoug
 corgan wrote:I don't get it
In their website they mention: "In January 2013, the United States Postal Service updated their service rates and raised their prices across the board. While we can still provide a free shipping option to domestic and international purchases placed in our store, the order minimums had to go up to match.
Effectively immediately, we offer free shipping on orders placed in US Dollars for $35, €70 Euros, £60 GBP, or $100 AUD"
If they can do it for their normal orders fos such prices why not also for the Kickstarter?
because that's based on the idea that you're buying 5-10 figs at full MSRP for 70 euro and it only costs them like 10 bucks to ship them, not a giant box full of 1000 miniatures that costs $77 to ship.
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Post by: RoninXiC
The minis from the kickstarter are so muchc cheaper compared to the same minis from any onlinestore months later.
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Post by: Alpharius
corgan wrote:I don't get it
In their website they mention: "In January 2013, the United States Postal Service updated their service rates and raised their prices across the board. While we can still provide a free shipping option to domestic and international purchases placed in our store, the order minimums had to go up to match.
Effectively immediately, we offer free shipping on orders placed in US Dollars for $35, €70 Euros, £60 GBP, or $100 AUD"
If they can do it for their normal orders fos such prices why not also for the Kickstarter?
That's a good question - you should probably ask them.
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Post by: ruff
Got in the early buy.. Cant wait
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Post by: corgan
I see your points.
Well said
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Herzlos wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
You're not; you're paying what it'll cost to ship to your country, so they don't need to provide a single ROW shipping cost. Maybe they'll provide a few tiers of shipping as well so you can chose whatever level you feel provides the best value. I think they also underestimated the shipping cost last time and got burned pretty badly.
US shipping is free, that means the cost of it is spread amongst all backers. I pay actual cost for my own shipping and part of the cost for the free US shipping that I do not benefit form.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Good God those stretch goals are flying!
For whatever reason the pictures aren't displaying for me here at work, other than the main image on the front page.
I wouldn't be surprised if we're able to add sets of figures from the basic pledge as add ons at a later time. Those bugbears and gnolls are really nice- plus we're already getting a few tossed in as it is.
I truly wonder what kind of stuff they've got cooked up. I swear it looked like they had a cave/ canyon base (more like playset) shown off in that video.
Very happy to see that big dragon man in the base pledge, as I was actually thinking of ordering him in metal today. Guess not now!
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Post by: Ashitaka
That Chimera looks great!
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Post by: decker_cky
lord_blackfang wrote:Herzlos wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
You're not; you're paying what it'll cost to ship to your country, so they don't need to provide a single ROW shipping cost. Maybe they'll provide a few tiers of shipping as well so you can chose whatever level you feel provides the best value. I think they also underestimated the shipping cost last time and got burned pretty badly.
US shipping is free, that means the cost of it is spread amongst all backers. I pay actual cost for my own shipping and part of the cost for the free US shipping that I do not benefit form.
Well....unless actual shipping is the difference between average US shipping and the cost to your country. I wouldn't assume at this point - once things slow down there will likely be much more communication on that point, as it obviously is a concern for many people.
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Post by: scarletsquig
It would be nice to get a discount on shipping equal to the average amount that it costs to ship to US backers.
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Post by: Alpharius
$12 for that Dragon seems nice!
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Post by: Taarnak
lord_blackfang wrote:Herzlos wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
You're not; you're paying what it'll cost to ship to your country, so they don't need to provide a single ROW shipping cost. Maybe they'll provide a few tiers of shipping as well so you can chose whatever level you feel provides the best value. I think they also underestimated the shipping cost last time and got burned pretty badly.
US shipping is free, that means the cost of it is spread amongst all backers. I pay actual cost for my own shipping and part of the cost for the free US shipping that I do not benefit form.
Not necessarily. US Shipping is factored into US pledges. International shipping is partially factored into the International pledges. You are likely paying the difference between that and the actual cost.
If they aren't doing it that way, they are idiots. They don't strike me as idiots.
But hey, I don't know for sure.
~Eric
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Post by: Alpharius
Plus these are VERY nice Freebies!
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Post by: ironicsilence
I'm glad reaper isnt emailing the day one updates to all backers
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Post by: pretre
Backed!
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Post by: Alpharius
There are 4000 potential $100 Sweet Spot pledge slots.
That's $400,000 - and if they don't get a ton of people making a ton of additional pledge add-ons, can this one get too much higher?
BONES I had 16475 $100 Vampire backers.
Did they say that they'll be opening up more $100 slots?
EDIT
Did they just open up another 2000 slots, with a later shipping date?
I think we can see their plan!
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Post by: cyphertheory
I just did the conversion from USD to GBP and the base level is only around £62. first thing that came to mind was the Witch elf pricing. Damn GW....
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Alpharius wrote:There are 4000 potential $100 Sweet Spot pledge slots.
That's $400,000 - and if they don't get a ton of people making a ton of additional pledge add-ons, can this one get too much higher?
BONES I had 16475 $100 Vampire backers.
Did they say that they'll be opening up more $100 slots?
EDIT
Did they just open up another 2000 slots, with a later shipping date?
I think we can see their plan!
I'm guessing they are doing this to make shipping easier later? First come first served if you will.
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Post by: ironicsilence
Yeah they are opening up more pledge levels as time goes on, really smart if you ask me as it allows them to manage shipping expectations up front
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Those new heroes with the removable bases are an interesting idea.
I wonder if they're going to just use basic slotta tabs. Might be able to stick any old figure on there. Maybe we'll see more bases available later on as well.
I'm already quite happy with the base pledge and this is just barely getting started!
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Post by: Phobos
this will break 1 mil by dinner time, midnight at the latest.
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Post by: ulgurstasta
 Taarnak wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:Herzlos wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
You're not; you're paying what it'll cost to ship to your country, so they don't need to provide a single ROW shipping cost. Maybe they'll provide a few tiers of shipping as well so you can chose whatever level you feel provides the best value. I think they also underestimated the shipping cost last time and got burned pretty badly.
US shipping is free, that means the cost of it is spread amongst all backers. I pay actual cost for my own shipping and part of the cost for the free US shipping that I do not benefit form.
Not necessarily. US Shipping is factored into US pledges. International shipping is partially factored into the International pledges. You are likely paying the difference between that and the actual cost.
If they aren't doing it that way, they are idiots. They don't strike me as idiots.
But hey, I don't know for sure.
~Eric
As of now we only have the "International Customers will pay Actual Shipping costs." to go by, which seems to indicate that International shipping is not subsidized. But they will probably explain it better when this has cooled down a bit.
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Post by: timd
That's pretty sneaky Alpharius... Renaming the thread instead of making a new one. Living up to your handle I see...
I'm not even seeing the updates/stretch goals on the KS page, so could not update the OP even if I wanted to.
Tim
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Post by: Alpharius
I live to serve, and aim to please!
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Post by: Cyporiean
I'm curious about this, as its not an option in the Kickstarter backend...
I'm thinking the Kickstarter e-mail system might have choked.
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Post by: Forar
Even ignoring the "what is factored, whom is subsidizing whom" aspect of international S&H, the fact that it's basically " vOv " for how much it will be makes me very skittish. Yes the $100 tier is obviously a massive and incredible value in figures, but it it ends up being a ten or twenty pound box of plastic and packaging that needs a small crate to ship, costs $100 in S&H and another $100 at the boarder, that's an issue. As long as it's an unknown, I don't think it's unreasonable for international backers to feel skittish. The higher the total goes, the more figures we get and the bigger/heavier the box becomes, the higher the risk that we'll get dinged heavily at least once, if not twice. That's a pretty reasonable consideration, imo. Depending on what they have saved for goals a couple million down the line, the final guess might end up just being pure speculation. Obviously we're tearing through goals left and right now, and while all projects generally slow down in the middle, I'm sure that at the end it'll be fast and furious once more. Unless they're a bunch of awesome but small/light things, who knows how it could all blow up? So I went with $1. Might snag some paints ($20 plus S&H for 12 paints seems like it'll be a good value, assuming said S&H isn't too high), and I'm hoping some dungeon setting stuff can be separated out as an add on, as that's what has really caught my eye so far.  Cyporiean wrote: I'm curious about this, as its not an option in the Kickstarter backend... I'm thinking the Kickstarter e-mail system might have choked.
Kickstarter's Email Server: "You want to send WHAT to WHOM??"
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Post by: corgan
If these skeletons, ratmen and beastmen are going to be offerred, after the end of the campaign, as unit boxes by their shop, I see some competitors to feel a bit uncomfortable...
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Post by: ironicsilence
Cyporiean wrote:
I'm curious about this, as its not an option in the Kickstarter backend...
I'm thinking the Kickstarter e-mail system might have choked.
whatever it is im greatful to not get a million ks emails today, unless they are just queuing up and ill get spammed later
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Post by: decker_cky
I'm expecting some email vomit later today.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Loving all of these minis so far, a lot of them are going to be extremely useful for making a Kings of War Nature army (which is basically filled with a variety of assorted wilderness beasties).
The skeletons, beastmen and ratmen are definitely smart moves.
If they release a witch elves set in bones that would be nuts!
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Post by: Krinsath
Woo! I got one of the early bird slots thanks to Dakka reminding me this started today. Yay for you all!
It's already gotten pretty crazy but this should be a fun ride.
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Post by: Cyporiean
ironicsilence wrote: Cyporiean wrote:
I'm curious about this, as its not an option in the Kickstarter backend...
I'm thinking the Kickstarter e-mail system might have choked.
whatever it is im greatful to not get a million ks emails today, unless they are just queuing up and ill get spammed later
I fear that is what might happen.
My phone app hasn't dinged either.
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Post by: ironicsilence
Im starting to get old updates in my email so it looks like KS email server was just choked
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
I"m getting a bunch of emails all of a sudden from Kickstarter...
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Post by: DiabolicAl
ironicsilence wrote: Cyporiean wrote:
I'm curious about this, as its not an option in the Kickstarter backend...
I'm thinking the Kickstarter e-mail system might have choked.
whatever it is im greatful to not get a million ks emails today, unless they are just queuing up and ill get spammed later
Well im starting to get update emails. But i think i can taste the servers tears....
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Post by: decker_cky
I think it's the whole system. I still haven't gotten the last Mierce email update.
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Post by: RoninXiC
distance between stretch goals was 25,000 and now it's 33,000 :(
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Post by: bbb
I know it will slow down, but as of right now Kicktraq has this trending towards $7,865,182
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Post by: Alpharius
ironicsilence wrote: Cyporiean wrote:
I'm curious about this, as its not an option in the Kickstarter backend...
I'm thinking the Kickstarter e-mail system might have choked.
whatever it is im greatful to not get a million ks emails today, unless they are just queuing up and ill get spammed later
If the Reaper KS sent you...15 emails today, would it really be that big a deal?
I know I would actually like to get these emails, to see what's unlocked, and what's pending, since there seems to be a shocking lack of said pics in this thread!
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Post by: fullheadofhair
ahhhhhh crap. Just couldn't resist. I last all this time though. Kept promising myself I don't need it I don't need it I don't need I don't .... oh how did I end up on this page authorizing a payment. Damn it.
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Post by: scarletsquig
It'll be interesting to see if this reaches my $10 million prediction.
Already it has smashed the crap out of Zombicide II in terms of its opening day. $1mil on day 1 is looking like it is very much on-track.
@ OP - Can we get a text breakdown of all the stuff in this Kickstarter? I'm having trouble even counting how many minis I'm getting right now .
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Post by: decker_cky
scarletsquig wrote:It'll be interesting to see if this reaches my $10 million prediction.
Already it has smashed the crap out of Zombicide II in terms of its opening day.
Bet they'd make $12 million if they made a Firefly crew! 
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Post by: Alpharius
scarletsquig wrote:It'll be interesting to see if this reaches my $10 million prediction.
Already it has smashed the crap out of Zombicide II in terms of its opening day.
You predict 10 Million for this one?!?
Where?
Here, just now?
Wow!
I'd say between $3M and $5M - if I was predicting, of course...
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Post by: Forar
 bbb wrote:I know it will slow down, but as of right now Kicktraq has this trending towards $7,865,182
People keep mentioning this, but amazingly as this campaign is doing (and will continue to do), trying to extrapolate nearly 4 weeks of data off an hour or two is absolutely meaningless. No offense, and yes you do recognize that it will slow down, but people throwing out KT numbers even as funny asides can make people get a little funny in campaigns. Like the sky is suddenly falling because it's 'only' trending towards "$Texas" instead of "$DeathStar" when a day rolls over. Anyway, I hope the scenery pieces become available as an add on. Similar to the pain, assuming a reasonable S&H fee, I could totally see grabbing a pack to improve my tables. I'm doubtful it'll get that high. Willing to bet your scenery pieces on that? :-P
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Post by: scarletsquig
Alpharius wrote: scarletsquig wrote:It'll be interesting to see if this reaches my $10 million prediction.
Already it has smashed the crap out of Zombicide II in terms of its opening day.
You predict 10 Million for this one?!?
Where?
Here, just now?
Wow!
I'd say between $3M and $5M - if I was predicting, of course...
Nope here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/550838.page#6102577
Post made prior to the KS launch.
I love to have a guess before a KS launches and see how close I get!
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Post by: ironicsilence
scarletsquig wrote:It'll be interesting to see if this reaches my $10 million prediction.
Already it has smashed the crap out of Zombicide II in terms of its opening day. $1mil on day 1 is looking like it is very much on-track.
@ OP - Can we get a text breakdown of all the stuff in this Kickstarter? I'm having trouble even counting how many minis I'm getting right now .
based on a quick count the core set is sitting on around a 100 models with a margin of error of 1-5
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Post by: Ashitaka
scarletsquig wrote:Loving all of these minis so far, a lot of them are going to be extremely useful for making a Kings of War Nature army (which is basically filled with a variety of assorted wilderness beasties).
The skeletons, beastmen and ratmen are definitely smart moves.
This is exactly what I was thinking - how can I use these in a KOW army. Forces of Nature should work well...
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Post by: decker_cky
RoninXiC wrote:distance between stretch goals was 25,000 and now it's 33,000 :(
Stretches are $29,000 right now.
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Post by: ruff
101 is current model count..
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Post by: decker_cky
ironicsilence wrote: scarletsquig wrote:It'll be interesting to see if this reaches my $10 million prediction.
Already it has smashed the crap out of Zombicide II in terms of its opening day. $1mil on day 1 is looking like it is very much on-track.
@ OP - Can we get a text breakdown of all the stuff in this Kickstarter? I'm having trouble even counting how many minis I'm getting right now .
based on a quick count the core set is sitting on around a 100 models with a margin of error of 1-5
I count 99 models right now (counting each terrain piece as a model), and 105 if the 471,000 stretch is passed.
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Post by: ironicsilence
the barrels in the terrain are actually 2 models each, they mentioned in the comments that the barrels are stacked on each other and they will take a better pic when things slow down
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Post by: ruff
There are 8 pieces in the terrain not 6.. its explained in the update..
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Post by: decker_cky
Then 101 models. I stand corrected. Why are they making me read and not just having correct pretty pictures?
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Post by: Forar
btw, if you folks don't want to drown in updates:
Go to Kickstarter, click "Me" in the top right corner.
Click "edit settings", select the "Notifications" tab from the top middle.
Click "Manage project notifications" on the right side.
Click on the little mail icon to remove email updates, the cell phone for mobile updates, and you can tweak individual projects you don't want to hear from at all.
This last part is particularly useful if, like me, you've backed a few for $1-5 that you thought were worthy causes but aren't actually getting anything from them and don't want to get spammed with emails or updates in general about the project(s).
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Post by: scarletsquig
Cool, thanks for the mini count!
I wonder if we'll end up with 300 minis total this time?
At least with the separate shipping they don't have to concern themselves with that when figuring out how much stuff they can cram in there.
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Post by: RiTides
That bones bull is another model I'll be buying at retail. But as I'd like 6 bulls, a $100 pledge only getting me one doesn't really work.
Same for the bugbears. Ah well!
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Post by: bbb
 Forar wrote: bbb wrote:I know it will slow down, but as of right now Kicktraq has this trending towards $7,865,182
People keep mentioning this, but amazingly as this campaign is doing (and will continue to do), trying to extrapolate nearly 4 weeks of data off an hour or two is absolutely meaningless.
No offense, and yes you do recognize that it will slow down, but people throwing out KT numbers even as funny asides can make people get a little funny in campaigns. Like the sky is suddenly falling because it's 'only' trending towards "$Texas" instead of "$DeathStar" when a day rolls over.
Anyway, I hope the scenery pieces become available as an add on. Similar to the pain, assuming a reasonable S&H fee, I could totally see grabbing a pack to improve my tables.
I'm doubtful it'll get that high. Willing to bet your scenery pieces on that? :-P
We really don't have enough info to accurately guess how much this will end with. There were 17,000+ backers last time and they're only at a quarter of that so far. As more stretch goals are unlocked there will be more options to add things in and towards the end of the KS I think they're going to let people get multiple sets of the free "Treat" sets they've been adding to the $100 level. That will provide a big kick, especially with some of those units being useful for army building. If they get a lot of media coverage again that should help too. Also, who knows what else Reaper has up their sleeves? I could see them having a new awesome option unlock every week regardless of what funding level they're at to generate some more big bumps.
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Post by: czakk
RiTides wrote:That bones bull is another model I'll be buying at retail. But as I'd like 6 bulls, a $100 pledge only getting me one doesn't really work.
Same for the bugbears. Ah well!
They should be doing the same pledge manager thing they did last time where you can purchase the "sets" as add ons. If you want to avoid retail prices..
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Post by: bbb
RiTides wrote:That bones bull is another model I'll be buying at retail. But as I'd like 6 bulls, a $100 pledge only getting me one doesn't really work.
Same for the bugbears. Ah well!
I saw in the comments Reaper say that towards the end they'll let people buy multiples of the "free" options.
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Post by: ruff
scarletsquig wrote:Cool, thanks for the mini count!
I wonder if we'll end up with 300 minis total this time?
At least with the separate shipping they don't have to concern themselves with that when figuring out how much stuff they can cram in there.
I am not sure we will get as good of a deal as last time.. But I could be wrong.. Currently it is less than $1 per fig which in my mind is still a great deal..
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Post by: decker_cky
RiTides wrote:That bones bull is another model I'll be buying at retail. But as I'd like 6 bulls, a $100 pledge only getting me one doesn't really work.
Same for the bugbears. Ah well!
They'll probably open adding more later, like they did in KS1. Somewhere in the comments that was asked about and the answer was that that was a popular thing in the first kickstarter (so I'd assume it would be done again).
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Post by: pretre
Can we get the OP to update the first post with something useful?
I guess I've been spoiled by other KS threads but this one leaves a little to be desired.
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Post by: ruff
They have shown the Cube of DOOM.. This is awesome..
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Post by: bbb
$500K for Gelatinous Cube!
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Post by: ironicsilence
OP mentioned he was having problems viewing images so wasnt able to update things
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Post by: ruff
Seems the devil is in the details.. The Cube is hollow with a decorative base..
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Post by: DiabolicAl
 ruff wrote:Seems the devil is in the details.. The Cube is hollow with a decorative base..
And translucent so you can see whatever model you put it over (the base is detachable) pretty awesome IMO
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Post by: scarletsquig
 pretre wrote:
Can we get the OP to update the first post with something useful?
I guess I've been spoiled by other KS threads but this one leaves a little to be desired.
There should be a warning in the forum rules - "Don't create KS threads unless you want a second full-time job for the next month". :p
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Post by: ironicsilence
DiabolicAl wrote: ruff wrote:Seems the devil is in the details.. The Cube is hollow with a decorative base..
And translucent so you can see whatever model you put it over (the base is detachable) pretty awesome IMO
agreed this is awesome
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Post by: kestral
Multiples of the same sculpt is not a winner with me. And some of those are already bones like the knoll. Still, more bones is great! And the cube sounds pretty cool.
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Post by: pretre
ironicsilence wrote:OP mentioned he was having problems viewing images so wasnt able to update things
Too bad we can't have it reassigned to someone else.
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Post by: ironicsilence
pretre wrote: ironicsilence wrote:OP mentioned he was having problems viewing images so wasnt able to update things
Too bad we can't have it reassigned to someone else.
thanks for volunteering! Create a new thread with sexy images and a mod will close this one!
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Post by: scarletsquig
Lesser demons up next!
Perfect for my Mantic armies. Either as gargoyles or lesser abyssals.
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Post by: ruff
107 models at the moment.. That is .93 cent each..
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Post by: pretre
ironicsilence wrote: pretre wrote: ironicsilence wrote:OP mentioned he was having problems viewing images so wasnt able to update things
Too bad we can't have it reassigned to someone else.
thanks for volunteering! Create a new thread with sexy images and a mod will close this one!
Heeeeellll no. I have enough work on my other thread.
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Post by: RanTheCid
ironicsilence wrote:OP mentioned he was having problems viewing images so wasnt able to update things
None of the Amazon hosted pics are displaying (at least for me). The update pics hosted by Reaper come over just fine.
If someone could re-host the pic of the initial offering, I would be most grateful.
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Post by: timd
pretre wrote: ironicsilence wrote:OP mentioned he was having problems viewing images so wasnt able to update things
Too bad we can't have it reassigned to someone else.
Alpharius was being cute and changed the thread title instead of starting a new thread for the KS kickoff, which is what should have been done (and should STILL be done). Thread could be split into pre and post KS start threads.
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Post by: scarletsquig
So glad the US government has shut down, collapsed their unstable economy and the dollar is in freefall... it makes this KS much cheaper to back for us overseas folk.
Exchange rate was £67 for $100 a few days ago, it's now £62 and probably going to fall further.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
lord_blackfang wrote:Herzlos wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:I'm in for now, but I WILL cancel my pledge if we don't see solid international shipping info with cushioning. I see no reason why I should subsidize shipping for american backers.
You're not; you're paying what it'll cost to ship to your country, so they don't need to provide a single ROW shipping cost. Maybe they'll provide a few tiers of shipping as well so you can chose whatever level you feel provides the best value. I think they also underestimated the shipping cost last time and got burned pretty badly.
US shipping is free, that means the cost of it is spread amongst all backers. I pay actual cost for my own shipping and part of the cost for the free US shipping that I do not benefit form.
Maybe they just included about $10 shipping into the $100 pledge cost, and international backers will pay shipping minus $10?
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Post by: ironicsilence
any brave soul wanna start a new thread for this kickstarter and keep it updated?
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Post by: Forar
I asked if there was any more scenery coming, and if it'd be able to purchase those bits separately. They plead the fifth, but hopefully that keeps them aware people are interested. Given they mentioned being able to buy extras of things included in the main tier, I imagine it'll be possible, but figured it was worth mentioning to them and passing along.
I really don't need hundreds of figures these days, already have over 300 coming from Robotech as it is, but some cost effective scenery stuff to flesh out my Dwarven Forge sets wouldn't go awry either.
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Post by: judgedoug
scarletsquig wrote:So glad the US government has shut down, collapsed their unstable economy and the dollar is in freefall... it makes this KS much cheaper to back for us overseas folk.
Exchange rate was £67 for $100 a few days ago, it's now £62 and probably going to fall further.
It's only, what, the 17th time it's happened in the last 35 years? And no useful agency is actually shut down. It's meaningless.
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Post by: bbb
I wonder if there will be a large number of people who pledge under two identities. Once for a basic $100 pledge, and another for a $1 pledge to add on the extras. That way if Reaper ships out like they did for Bones the First, people will get their $100 early and just wait for the extras.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
corgan wrote:If these skeletons, ratmen and beastmen are going to be offerred, after the end of the campaign, as unit boxes by their shop, I see some competitors to feel a bit uncomfortable...
The minor and greater demons are really going for GW's throat.
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Post by: porkuslime
500k hit and the Gelatinous Cube is IN!!
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Post by: bbb
CUBE IS GO!
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Post by: ruff
Well there is $10 more dollars I need for me to make up with taking the gf out.. lol..
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Post by: SilverMK2
Grrr... stupid phone took ages so the last of wave 2 had gone by the time i got through the amazon payments. Have to settle for wave 3 i guess... not that i expect overseas stuff to be much of a priority compared to us backers anyway
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Post by: bbb
should hit 5,000 backers by the next stretch goal
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Post by: ruff
Yeah its going crazy fast.. lol.. We will have 112 figures in about 15 mins at the most lol..
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Post by: Sinful Hero
If the large water elemental looks half as good as the fire did... I may be adding a gak-load later on. I wonder if they'll include more giants, and when they'll show up?
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Post by: bbb
I'm wondering if they'll do more Chronoscope figures. Maybe they'll hold off on that till later.
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Hmm...Savage Worlds figures. These kind of fit the Chronoscope vibe...
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Post by: xxvaderxx
I am interested on it, how ever i would not commit money to it with out a single picture. Dont know if there is anything in there i would like.
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Post by: bbb
Also, since it looks like the value is still going to be there for this Bones KS, I think they'll beat the last one in total money and backers. I'll say over 20K backers and over $5 million raised.
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Post by: judgedoug
xxvaderxx wrote:I am interested on it, how ever i would not commit money to it with out a single picture. Dont know if there is anything in there i would like.
The main pic keeps going down, refresh after a few minutes and you'll see it.
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Post by: pretre
 judgedoug wrote:xxvaderxx wrote:I am interested on it, how ever i would not commit money to it with out a single picture. Dont know if there is anything in there i would like.
The main pic keeps going down, refresh after a few minutes and you'll see it.
Were there any disappointing releases with the first Bones KS? I was pretty happy with the Vampire box I got.
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Post by: wana10
I like that they have limited the number of vampire backers. Shows that they learned an important lesson that many kickstarters should learn. Sure the massive numbers look good but hitting that early promised shipping date when your numbers have ballooned a thousand percent is almost an impossibility, having the tiers being waves and a limited overall number will help make hitting those goals a more likely possibility.
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Post by: decker_cky
 wana10 wrote:I like that they have limited the number of vampire backers. Shows that they learned an important lesson that many kickstarters should learn. Sure the massive numbers look good but hitting that early promised shipping date when your numbers have ballooned a thousand percent is almost an impossibility, having the tiers being waves and a limited overall number will help make hitting those goals a more likely possibility.
They aren't limiting the Vampire backers. They're just setting a rolling release schedule.
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Post by: wana10
decker_cky wrote:
They aren't limiting the Vampire backers. They're just setting a rolling release schedule.
Unless I've missed something each of the vampire tiers is limited to 2000 backers with an additional $1 tier for those just getting add-ons.
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Post by: ironicsilence
wana10 wrote:decker_cky wrote:
They aren't limiting the Vampire backers. They're just setting a rolling release schedule.
Unless I've missed something each of the vampire tiers is limited to 2000 backers with an additional $1 tier for those just getting add-ons.
each shipping group is limited to 2000, as a group nears sell out, they add a new shipping wave with a later date
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Post by: pretre
wana10 wrote:decker_cky wrote:
They aren't limiting the Vampire backers. They're just setting a rolling release schedule.
Unless I've missed something each of the vampire tiers is limited to 2000 backers with an additional $1 tier for those just getting add-ons.
Guaranteed they will add additional ones with later shipping waves.
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Post by: ruff
We are sitting at 120 figs for the current $100 dollars.. Making them $0.83 each..
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Post by: RiTides
Thanks for all the answers on the add-ons (hopefully to be included as options at the end) guys
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Post by: JWMarines
ooo Hill Giants... not as cool as the Frost/Fire/Storm giants from Bones1, but still cool to have. 600k and beyond!
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Post by: bbb
Wow, $634K to get giants and next stretch is $750K. That's $116K to get the next stretch goal. Things are going to unlock slower now.
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Nevermind, looks like that was a typo on their part. Only need to get to $672K
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
$672k is the Sylvan creatures stretch goal.
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Post by: decker_cky
I like the hill giants better than the Bones1 giants. Much more general purpose.
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Post by: Alpharius
The lack of pictures in here... so disappointing.
I, of course, blame timd.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I am using the Bones 1 giants as gods. The Hill giants just don't work for that. Maybe as Titans or proto-gods... Are they the same size as the Bones 1 giants? They look bigger.
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