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 Splod wrote:
Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.

Long live metal! \m/

Have you played with any of the larger figures (from frost giant to dragon's)? They are FAR superior to metal and makes them affordable.

overtyrant wrote:

 Splod wrote:
Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.

Long live metal! \m/

Have you played with any of the larger figures (from frost giant to dragon's)? They are FAR superior to metal and makes them affordable.

And they're not 90 thousand tonnes requiring girders to pin them together.

I'm hoping 'round 2' has a Bones Phoenix. I need two of the buggers for my Basilean army. Ok, want two. Not that there's a difference for gamers, if we want something, it's also a need.

 Splod wrote:
Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.

Long live metal! \m/

Bones comes into it's own with the larger beasties. Particularly the large, multipart ones.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm hoping 'round 2' has a Bones Phoenix. I need two of the buggers for my Basilean army. Ok, want two. Not that there's a difference for gamers, if we want something, it's also a need.

Hm, High Elves use those now, don't they?

 Azazelx wrote:

 Splod wrote:
Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.

Long live metal! \m/

Bones comes into it's own with the larger beasties. Particularly the large, multipart ones.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'm hoping 'round 2' has a Bones Phoenix. I need two of the buggers for my Basilean army. Ok, want two. Not that there's a difference for gamers, if we want something, it's also a need.

Hm, High Elves use those now, don't they?

$60 for a GW one, or $5 for a Bones one...hmmm...not hard.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

$60 for a GW one, or $5 for a Bones one...hmmm...not hard.

The GW phoenix isn't very good though, even at $5

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Wyrmgear is all PVC, just like the rest of the figures, just a more rigid formula was used for the wings. PVC can be just as sharp as any other plastic, it is mearly a question of the formula you use and the molds you shoot it into.

Regarding the CAV figures, those are test shots IIRC, not from a production mold. As a result, they do look a little soft. I believe that they are going to be rolled out seperate from the KS2 campaign the last I had heard. The final scuplts had been chosen earlier this summer (12 or 16 in total...brain is a bit foggy on that) and it will be part of a larger rerelease of the Bones figures and the updated rules sometime this fall.

I disagree... sharp edges on PVC casts tend to be soft. This is why Wrath of Kings was going to mold weapons out of polystyrene, to keep the sharp edges.

PVC is much better for organic models, imo.

Adder Ant wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

$60 for a GW one, or $5 for a Bones one...hmmm...not hard.

The GW phoenix isn't very good though, even at $5

Seriously though: what other models, approximately that size, of something like a phoenix are there on the market right now? Cornering the market is real easy if your one product gets a free monopoly

Phoenix would be a good one to see, especially if they pull it off well and the plastic is more like WyrmGear and less like one of the ones with softer edges.

Which large models were all that soft, though? I'm having my doubts over nethyrmaul (not yet painted, so reserving judgement!) but the PF red dragon, the white/ice dragon (whatsisname) and hydra are all awesome. Having my doubts Wrt brittleness of wyrmgear wings, actually; they don't feel as tough as the other bones stuff...

I only have one Bones model, a storm giant... but the sword is extremely flexible and doesn't have a sharp edge. The body of the model looks really good, but I wish they could make the weapons separate pieces and of a different material.

Doing that was a really good idea by the team behind Wrath of Kings, and I hope it catches on!

The Storm Giant is famous for his flaccid noodle-sword. Some of the other giants are much stiffer.

 Splod wrote:
Meh... I'd much rather they focus on their metal ranges.
I had a bit of a play with the early bones releases from before the KS, I was less than impressed.

Long live metal! \m/

I question your sanity and look forward greatly to more bones

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Storm Giant is famous for his flaccid noodle-sword. Some of the other giants are much stiffer.

But this is a problem for me if I'm paying upfront via a KS campaign... how do I know which models will turn out well in the material, and which won't? I know people in Bones 1 felt they got such a good deal, it didn't matter if they chucked some of the figures, but if I'm only after a few it matters quite a bit.

 RiTides wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Storm Giant is famous for his flaccid noodle-sword. Some of the other giants are much stiffer.

But this is a problem for me if I'm paying upfront via a KS campaign... how do I know which models will turn out well in the material, and which won't? I know people in Bones 1 felt they got such a good deal, it didn't matter if they chucked some of the figures, but if I'm only after a few it matters quite a bit.

Actually, I just wanted to use "flaccid noodle" in a post.

I have been pretty vocal on the Mantic forums about the uneven quality of the Bones material and the rubbery quality some of them have. (I think I'm the reason the mods quietly killed the thread on spongey Bones.) So, yes, I am on board with you there. However, it looks like Reaper will be replacing some of the pieces I complained about the most, so it is possible. Also, my storm giant has a fairly firm sword, so you might be able to get a decent replacement if you contact them, although you might want to give them some time to finish all the KS replacements since it seems like their idea of replacing miscast parts is to grab blindly at a bin full of 'maybes' and toss them in a box for you.

If that is too much of a hassle, apparently you can heat up the giant in boiling water and then shove a sharpened rod or paperclip into the sword to keep it straight.

 RiTides wrote:
But this is a problem for me if I'm paying upfront via a KS campaign... how do I know which models will turn out well in the material, and which won't? I know people in Bones 1 felt they got such a good deal, it didn't matter if they chucked some of the figures, but if I'm only after a few it matters quite a bit.

In this case, you just don't pledge during the KS. You wait until the models hit retail and cherry-pick which ones you want. That's why you (hopefully) get a deep discount during the KS. You're taking on the added risk that the miniature isn't up to your standards.

As for Reaper and wargamers, AFAIK, Reaper didn't want to take the risk of plastic injection, so didn't enter plastic models until very late -- namely the Bones KS. Maybe they had a good thing with the RPG market and didn't want the risk of taking on GW. Does anyone know why Mantic took on GW with Warpath et al.? My impression of Mantic is Alessandro, one of the founders (?) wanted to release his own games as well as models, so his business strategy is to release various different miniature skirmish games, which seems to work well with KS. AFAIK, Reaper doesn't have this expertise, so didn't go in the wargamer direction?

I didn't jump on the original kickstarter, and was quite upset about it for a while- at least until things hit retail. Did I get as great a deal as those that backed it? Nope. Was I able to get just the things I wanted? Yup. Have I bought a bunch of stuff on impulse because it was cheap? Hell yeah.

Have I also skipped on a few guys because I was feeling lazy and didn't want to fix all their flaccid noodle weapons? Guilty as charged.

I still wonder if Reaper is going to do more with the Warlord property. Why not try pulling all those RPG players in with a tighter game at more of a skirmish level?

I'm just getting impatient since there's so many other damn things I want to spend money on!

Well, as someone who enjoys both RPGs and skirmish miniatures, I can say that there's not *that* much overlap between RPGs and skirmish games. With RPGs, you (can) roleplay a character, something you can't with skirmish games. With skirmish games, you engage in strategy and tactics, something not always important for roleplayers. AFAIK, Skirmish games don't have the munchkiny ZOMG TREASURE aspect rpgs can have. Plus, ther'es no DM to save your butt when you do something stupid. (:

I'm also under the impression that RPGers don't paint like skimish miniature gamers do. Reaper found out that many of their customers *don't* paint. They rip out a miniature from the blister, put it on the table, and that's it. I suspect that's why the mini's come pre-assembled. Boardgamers are another group of mini's players who rarely paint their miniatures, as reflected in the low quality of boardgaming plastic.

Anyway, good to see that Reaper has *some* Bones you're interested in! If you spend a week or so painting a miniature, I'm not sure if the Bones KS was that good of an idea -- 240+ miniatures is not a bargain if you can't paint them!

 RiTides wrote:
I only have one Bones model, a storm giant... but the sword is extremely flexible and doesn't have a sharp edge. The body of the model looks really good, but I wish they could make the weapons separate pieces and of a different material.

Doing that was a really good idea by the team behind Wrath of Kings, and I hope it catches on!

I actually have a few chunks of brass which I am grinding down to do weapon swaps for the overly bendy swords. One giants, I am planning on doing some brass etching to add more complex designs up the shaft of the weapons. While I could see how it might be problematic for some people, I very rarely leave weapons stock anyway, so it doesnt bother me much at all.

Did anyone notice this graphic today on the front page of Reaper's site?



That's a good sign, right?

I still want those damn Phoenixes. Lol. I may still buy a couple metals, they're cheap enough already ($15 each). And they look "proper" with Mantic stuff. That said, if they go the Bones way, I'll buy more.

If you can wait until November, Reaper should have its "12 Days of Christmas" promotion, where they offer a previously limited edition miniature (one each of the 12 days) with a minimum purchase. Last year, it was $35, and they threw in a Christmas Wreath dark green paint.

3 days, 16 hours, 17 minutes till launch.

 Sean_OBrien wrote:
3 days, 16 hours, 17 minutes till launch.

And it will be a long, irritating, deliberately slow weekend for me now just to make it seem even further off than it is.

Good to know we've got a definite starting point!

Time to start saving up all those pennies!

dang.. that is coming faster than I hoped..

I am tons curious as to what is going to be in there..

I hope I can convince my GF to let me back this. It through a wrench in the not spending any money besides on bills for the next 6 months, but maybe if I do some side work I can swing it.

ced1106 wrote:
If you can wait until November, Reaper should have its "12 Days of Christmas" promotion, where they offer a previously limited edition miniature (one each of the 12 days) with a minimum purchase. Last year, it was $35, and they threw in a Christmas Wreath dark green paint.

A different figure each day? - so you'd (theoretically) need to spend $35 per day to get them all?

 Azazelx wrote:

ced1106 wrote:
If you can wait until November, Reaper should have its "12 Days of Christmas" promotion, where they offer a previously limited edition miniature (one each of the 12 days) with a minimum purchase. Last year, it was $35, and they threw in a Christmas Wreath dark green paint.

A different figure each day? - so you'd (theoretically) need to spend $35 per day to get them all?

You could, but the offering's more like a scattershot of previous limited editions. I don't recall if anyone tried for all 12, but I know a few who bought more than one miniature.

Here's what they had for 2012: http://thegaminggang.com/2012/12/reaper-in-the-midst-of-their-12-days-of-reaper/

Seven of them are Sophies, but anyone who's collecting Sophies already knows they're going to pay a lot for the figures!

Myself, I might pick up their NMM LTPK and a blonde paint triad...

Is the coming sooner line in reference to delivery?

ced1106 wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

You could, but the offering's more like a scattershot of previous limited editions. I don't recall if anyone tried for all 12, but I know a few who bought more than one miniature.

Here's what they had for 2012: http://thegaminggang.com/2012/12/reaper-in-the-midst-of-their-12-days-of-reaper/
Seven of them are Sophies, but anyone who's collecting Sophies already knows they're going to pay a lot for the figures!
Myself, I might pick up their NMM LTPK and a blonde paint triad...

Looks interesting. How many more Sophies are there beyond the boxed set from KS1?

Actually, I think I like the little chibi hedgehogs and such, and the Ogre and core hound looking things in that pic more than the Sophies...