Tell me what the dumbest model you have ever seen was.... maybe a bad assembly, dumb fluff, or really bad planning on behalf of gw.... for me it is definitely the doomrider, and the old sybarites with lion-o head....
The doomrider was just stupid in all aspects..... and the lion-o sybarite was not menacing, or even slightly cool....
So let me know folks, I just want a good laugh. Post pics if you can!
a 1/35th scale Panther tank (which was not a assembled model, more a toy) and he stuck Dreadknight parts at odd angles onto it giving it arms with guns and the big hammer and sword and stuff with "lascannon sponsons" on its rear made from dreadnought bases with termi bases on top of them with a HWT lascannon stuck on top.
The panther was physically far to small to be a Baneblade and it just looked like he covered it in glue and rolled it in bitz.
He gave it to me along with a bunch of other IG stuff (4 LRBTs, a bunch of HWT and a few troops) when I traded a ton of chaos/tau/misc bitz and stuff. I immediately tore off the "attachments" and threw them in my bitz box and set the poor Panther tank aside by sitting in on my book shelf.
I happen to think centurions take away from the dead horse that space marines have become.... if gamesworkshop is gonna keep kicking it, atleast they added some flair!
When I came back to the Hobby, it was Space Wolves riding Thunderwolves. I thought 40k jumped the shark.
It was like "yo dawg, I heard you like some wolves with your space wolves, so I put your space wolves on top of wolves so they can wolfy wolfy space wolves."
Of course, now that time has passed I...no, I can't, it's still dumb to me, seriously I used to love Space Wolves.
Old One Eye. It has barnacles on its crushing claws, a stupidly upright posture, and a really thin build. Looks more like a weird tyranid warrior then a carnifex. And did I mention BARNICLES ON HIS CLAWS! What is he? A lobster? The present Finecast version anyways.
Centurians, Cadians (the whole damn range), Dreadknight, Thunderwolves (Canis especially), unhelmeted space wolf heads with furry manes. Pretty sure that's good enough.
Finecast Chaos Raptors
Finecast Thousand Sons upgrade kit
Finecast Wraithguard
Metal Old One Eye
Metal The Red Terror
Finecast Lichtor and Finecast Deathleaper
I'd vote for the Khornedozer that came out recently, then stormtalons. I like the thunderwolves' look, even though I think the idea of a 1000 lb space marine riding a giant wolf is pretty silly.
Stormtalons. I'm not into the 'hate all the new things!' rage that seems to grip the forums every so often, but I sincerely hate the look of the stormtalons. I'd even like to take one if they weren't so damn hideous. Flying dumpsters. And you know, that silly limited edition Crimson Fist captain for the anniversary event was pretty goofy looking too.
The original obliterators, the current obliterators, mutilators and those "enhanced" warriors that used to come in the boxed set with Fabius Bile...*shudder*
I'd also put a note in for the valkyrie. Let's make one of the coolest units in the imperial guard, and then let's make another one that's identical, except with three twin-linked lascannons so there's no reason to take the valkyrie. Worse, let's make it so that the worst kinds of people will flock to the up-powered ones, ruining everything for everyone.
Rumbleguts wrote: Old One Eye. It has barnacles on its crushing claws, a stupidly upright posture, and a really thin build. Looks more like a weird tyranid warrior then a carnifex. And did I mention BARNICLES ON HIS CLAWS! What is he? A lobster? The present Finecast version anyways.
The barnacles on the claws are probably due to the fluff about it being dug up in a block of ice on Macragge years after the war, so it was in the water regenerating. Things in the water sometimes have barnacles attach themselves. The pose and stature are due to him being a 3rd edition model - that's what Carnifexes looked like in 3rd edition.
Not that it's not a bad model, but there's at least an explanation for him. I honestly don't know why they re-released the model, as the Carnifex plastic kit makes him perfectly - regeneration head has the exact same plasma scar as Old One Eye, and other than that, the model was just a Carnifex with Crushing Claws and Scything Talons.
In my book, definitely the Khornedozer, although the Centurions are pretty bad too. Maybe the Chaos Zoids before the Centurions.
Previous to this last Space Marine release, I had thought that perhaps the fact I've been less and less enthused about new stuff has been my waning enthusiasm for 40k in general. Then they came out with those new Sternguard and Vanguard, as well as that new Chaplain, and no, I'm pretty sure they just had a run of crap sculpts in relatively short succession in the recent timeframe because some of the new stuff is sweet. In fact, the Centurions have me hoping we're back to where we were 2 years ago, when a new release would have mostly awesome models and one laughably bad one.
Ailaros wrote: Old one-eye may be a rather ugly model, but it looks WAY better than what carnifexes looked like in 2nd edition...
Just me but I still like they way they looked, like they are coming to bite your face off and shred what remains. No, they don't have the cool detailing that the present day plastic kits do, but the basic body design looked like what carnifex are supposed to be. A mass of muscle and super tough chiton that can take fire that would destroy tanks and rip apart bunkers. That is part of my dislike of the present Finecast Old One Eye, he looks stringy.
And I don't care how long he spent in the water of McCrag, he should have been using barnicles for snacks. That part of the model simply makes it unredeemable to me. I do, however, hope to get a stone crusher carnifex someday soon (and not from the Russian Federation, damned their eyes) and remodel him a bit to use for Old One Eye. That model is terrifying and is perfect for him.
How does it even walk? There is no chance in hell it could even move it's body's centre of gravity to one side enough to actually lift one of its legs.
Stupid.
They should scrap the entire line and move to more "plausible" Walkers like the Dreadknight entirely.
How does it even walk? There is no chance in hell it could even move it's body's centre of gravity to one side enough to actually lift one of its legs.
Stupid.
They should scrap the entire line and move to more "plausible" Walkers like the Dreadknight entirely.
Obviously a ancient design, maybe even used for non-military functions...
Mutilators and obliterators, neither of which have conveyed what you read in the fiction at any stage and instead just look terrible, rushed, lazy and comedic.
How does it even walk? There is no chance in hell it could even move it's body's centre of gravity to one side enough to actually lift one of its legs.
Stupid.
They should scrap the entire line and move to more "plausible" Walkers like the Dreadknight entirely.
Before you bring up some physics quibble most people won't care about, allow me to remind you that this is the same setting where space elves orgied a ten thousand light year wide hole in reality into being.
Or that the general public is enamored with a Norse god in a red cape strong enough to lift a planet sized snake who flies by spin tossing his hammer and calls down lightning from nowhere.
There have been many good mentions. It's hard to pick a "dumbest" with all the awful models that have escaped Games Workshop's obviously non-existent quality control department.
Dialogus will probably always top my list. About the worst model execution ever. Especially given that most other Sisters models are fairly well done. Except...
Inquisitor Karamazov's Walking Circus Throne.
Dreadknight.
Thunderwolf Cavalry.
Space Marine flyers. All of them. Except maybe FW's Storm Eagle.*
Centurions.
Most of the IGuard plastics.
The new Tau and Eldar Gundam toys.
Khornemower.
*This one is especially confusing because the IGuard ones are all really cool looking.
I actually kind of like the dreadnought. It's ludicrous design that only barely works that produces this awkward lumbering gait but we can't change the way we construct them because that would be heresy is exactly what the imperium is about.
Kommissar Waaaghrick wrote: When I came back to the Hobby, it was Space Wolves riding Thunderwolves. I thought 40k jumped the shark.
It was like "yo dawg, I heard you like some wolves with your space wolves, so I put your space wolves on top of wolves so they can wolfy wolfy space wolves."
Of course, now that time has passed I...no, I can't, it's still dumb to me, seriously I used to love Space Wolves.
Thank you for putting my response in better words than i ever could.Do people seriously think Space Marines riding on wolves is a good idea? It is a shame becuase i rather like every other thing about SW
The new Librarian, more precisely the cherub attached really ruins the model imo. No point in adding any of the ones mentioned. Except maybe to reiterate the awful SM flyers.
Azza007 wrote: The new Librarian, more precisely the cherub attached really ruins the model imo. No point in adding any of the ones mentioned. Except maybe to reiterate the awful SM flyers.
The little cherub is its own piece and can be left off.
All of those new SM character models with all kinds of ridiculous speakers and servo skulls and such are pretty awful.
I just don't think they reach the Walking Throne and Bug Eyed Velma and Stormtalon level of awful.
In an effort to add some originality to this thread, I'l nominate the FW hellblade:
It looks kind of awsome at first, but then you realise that the wing design means the piece of scat would have to either fly at a normal speed and almost certainaly stall, or fly really [emphasis on really] fast and risk lowered levels of control.
Also the Thunderwolves are no more dumb than GKs having powers swords on sticks AKA smart and fits with their style.
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sing your life wrote:
Also the Thunderwolves are no more dumb than GKs having powers swords on sticks AKA smart and fits with their style.
They're about seven hundred and seventy two thousands, four hundred and six times more dumb. A study was done on it at Oxford. It's been quantified.
I don't know what style the Thunderwolves it fits with, but that style needs to die in a fire, and quickly. Everything about Space Wolves was better when it was more space, and less wolf.
sing your life wrote: In an effort to add some originality to this thread, I'l nominate the FW hellblade:
It looks kind of awsome at first, but then you realise that the wing design means the piece of scat would have to either fly at a normal speed and almost certainaly stall, or fly really [emphasis on really] fast and risk lowered levels of control.
Also the Thunderwolves are no more dumb than GKs having powers swords on sticks AKA smart and fits with their style.
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Well, it's "wings" aren't that much smaller than the wings of the old Starfighter were
The sculpt isn't the dumbest 40k model I've seen, but considering these models replaced some quite nice-looking second edition striking scorpions, and the 'Eavy Metal team painted their mouth guards white, puts it top for me.
sing your life wrote:Then why does it have machine guns?
For shooting down other space fighters
You can make solid slug weapons work in space with a little modification. It's far from impossible.
Afaik the Hellblade is an aircraft and not a space fighter. With Starfighter i meant the jet, which had rather stubby wings
Believe it or not, it'd make even less sense if it was a spacecraft! The closest thing we have to a believeable single-seater combat spacecraft is the Starfury from Babylon 5. Not to mention that, judging from what we know about space and what we can imagine about real space combat, the very idea of "space fighters" may not be too wise to begin with. Automted drones maybe. Fighters not so much.
By the way, I'd like to add the Soul Grinder to my list. Can't believe people scorn the Wraithknight for being toylike and at the same time are content with something lifted straight out of a Masters of the Universe catalog.
sing your life wrote: In an effort to add some originality to this thread, I'l nominate the FW hellblade:
It looks kind of awsome at first, but then you realise that the wing design means the piece of scat would have to either fly at a normal speed and almost certainaly stall, or fly really [emphasis on really] fast and risk lowered levels of control.
Also the Thunderwolves are no more dumb than GKs having powers swords on sticks AKA smart and fits with their style.
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The Hellblade would fit into a Slanneshi army since it's a flying tuning fork. Then it's really just practical.
One of my least favourite models is the old Terminator Captain:
Spoiler:
It doesn't look too bad...unless you look at the bolter arm, which is in completely impossible position. Poor guys shoulder is apparently located somewhere above and beyond his ears. I replaced the arm in my conversion and it immediately looked much better.
Happyjew wrote: I love how I come back to this thread seeing there is a post by Captain Bloody Fist and I get to see a picture of a Captain. With a bloody fist...
I hate this model with a passion. I was given one and still ended up converting it into a warboss on warbike. The model is outdated, it's way too small. The orks in it don't match the rest of the range out now.
a) Dreadknight: It's just as bad as everyone says, not gonna buy this model ever
b) Jokaeros: What are these, Apes with uber-Combo-Weapon in their fingertips, what? Not gonna buy these models either.
RT Avatar (5W T6 MC thats the size of a SM)
Dredknight (so... why cant we just shoot the guy in the baby carrier?)
Stormtallon (seriously, how does this thing fly?)
Riptide (Giant body, itty bitty little head. Replace with kroot head for more fun)
zephoid wrote:
Riptide (Giant body, itty bitty little head. Replace with kroot head for more fun)
Hey Gakbag, the normal sized head is there to show the riptide is a suit of armor, not a walker.
Oh and I think the ST would be much better with some rotors.
No the normal sized head is there because whats the point of making it larger? If all of the sensor equipment fits inside of a Crisis suit head why is there a need to make it larger?
The face all necrons players made when they read the Ward flufff.
zephoid wrote:
Riptide (Giant body, itty bitty little head. Replace with kroot head for more fun)
Hey Gakbag, the normal sized head is there to show the riptide is a suit of armor, not a walker.
Oh and I think the ST would be much better with some rotors.
No the normal sized head is there because whats the point of making it larger? If all of the sensor equipment fits inside of a Crisis suit head why is there a need to make it larger?
The reason I posted was supposed the official the designers gave for the head size.
What is the point of the head then? The model looks better without it. Its not like the person's head is actually in that thing (oh god i hope not.... but with GW maybe). Whats the point of having a tiny head when the sensors are inside and there is sufficient room for a person to rest.
zephoid wrote: What is the point of the head then? The model looks better without it. Its not like the person's head is actually in that thing (oh god i hope not.... but with GW maybe). Whats the point of having a tiny head when the sensors are inside and there is sufficient room for a person to rest.
The point of the head is the same Fething function that this has on the predator drone
its a freaking camera with various optics to allow night vision, and other visual aids to the pilot.
Backfire wrote: One of my least favourite models is the old Terminator Captain:
Spoiler:
It doesn't look too bad...unless you look at the bolter arm, which is in completely impossible position. Poor guys shoulder is apparently located somewhere above and beyond his ears. I replaced the arm in my conversion and it immediately looked much better.
Gotta say guys...no one has mentioned the failure that is the current Skull cannon of Khorne / Chariot thing...
Good christ that looks worse than my most horrific mushroom trip puke.
How does Blanche still get to do work for those guys?
His stuff is garbage.
Just terrible.
Though the model is pretty badass, the metal Sammael model is probably the most frustrating thing I've ever tried to assemble. Complete fething nightmare.
I actually quite like thunderwolf cavalry, I mean they are crazy over the top but if you're fielding them who cares thats just what they're all about, a ludicrous charge in style, on a giant wolf. I personally think the unhelmeted SoB look really ridiculous.
This kid who used to come to my store would make up all of his own rules and whine that no one wanted to play against them. His Chaos Blood Angels chapter had a Primarch that was trapped inside of an Ironclad Dreadnought on a BANEBLADE. It was held together with gorilla glue OOZING out of every crevasse. The worst model GW has released that I've seen is easily the Nightmare Dragon in their Warhammer Fantasy Battles Collector line.
That master of marches model it truly bad. It also wins the worst excuse/ name for a model in history. The whole thing just hits that rage spot in my head.
Not sure why there is so much hate for the centurians or dreadknight. I quite like them.
Aside from the silly-looking claw (even back in the day it was silly IMO) there is literally nothing wrong with that sculpt. "Dumb" is not a word I would use to describe it at any length.
FarseerAndyMan wrote: Gotta say guys...no one has mentioned the failure that is the current Skull cannon of Khorne / Chariot thing...
Good christ that looks worse than my most horrific mushroom trip puke.
How does Blanche still get to do work for those guys?
His stuff is garbage.
Just terrible.
That model looks awesome though. That's why nobody mentioned it.
I'm noticing a pattern here, with the models and/or concepts that certain people find "dumb" are probably older than they are.
Damn kids need to learn their history.
That's exactly what I thought, lol.
That Ghazkull is stupid! (Actually it's nearly 30 years old, and fit perfectly with the entire rest of the Ork range aesthetic.)
You can't compare 2nd edition models to the ones nowadays, they will obviously fall short. You compare them to all the other companies putting out models in the same era. Some of the Warzone range was laughable.
But there were some models in the 2nd Ed range that have held up ok. Most of the second Ed Aspect Warriors are just as good as the current versions. 2nd Ed Daemonettes are better than the current plastic ones, IMO, if not as good as Diaz's version in between.
SlaveToDorkness wrote: Any 3rd Ed. Tyranids. Infinitely dumber than anything currently in production.
3rd ed Tyranids mostly are the models currently in production...
Tyranids from 3rd ed. 40k. So...2nd ed. Tyranids if you're going by the iteration. Although I would have to argue that The old Advanced Space Crusade Warriors and Stealers would be 1st ed.
OK, yeah, those three were pretty poor. I appear to have completely blanked out the 3rd ed Tyrant and Smileyfex.
The current Warriors and gaunts are from the same release, though, and much of the rest of the nid range is eiher from that release or updated plastic versions of metal models from that release.
I agree with people picking the dreadknight and the centurions however they are fixable with a bit of conversion work where as the early 'nids are only fixable by melting them down and starting again so are far worse. Yes we shouldn't have to fix models but it is what it is.
Just going back to the hellblade for a second, when you have anti-gravity technology, why bother with wings? Also the B5 Starfuries are rather neat and well designed for maneuvering, but they present a really large profile when moving toward a target. Much better to have the pilot lying down to reduce the target signature.
Regarding the centurion, you should check out the P&M threads where they get assembled without all the uber-armour. Much better models.
Personally I get all teeth-graty when I see the official SoB Exorcist and the horrible proto-Dreadknight that is the Penitent Engine.
I love the hellblade fighter, I'm considering buying 2 for some cheap AA. That is how flyers should look, sleek and capable of flight - not boxes with small engines that we assume are pumping out physics defying amounts of thrust.
Lord Gatlas wrote:I was about to criticize about how those models looked awesome, but then I realized where you were going with this...
Well, and if that's the way we're going with this, then I'd add, well, any of the current plastic range of catachan.
All of them have derp faces, and the arms are in such a way where it looks like they geuninely don't understand how to use their weapons. I especially love the I haz a ger-NADEZ arm. The fact that many of them have an institutionalized buzz cut doesn't help either...
ShatteredBlade wrote: One of the best duelers in the Dark City. Leader of the incubi cults, rumored to be nothing but a suite of ash form an ancient warrior on a rampage
HODOR!
Oh this thread never ceases with the idiotic comments does it?
Care to explain what exactly is "dumb" about Drazhar? Most of the Chris Fitzpatrick Elf/Eldar sculpts are amazing. He has a very distinctive style which is perfect for this race. There is, once again, literally nothing wrong with this model.
ShatteredBlade wrote: One of the best duelers in the Dark City. Leader of the incubi cults, rumored to be nothing but a suite of ash form an ancient warrior on a rampage
HODOR!
Oh this thread never ceases with the idiotic comments does it?
Care to explain what exactly is "dumb" about Drazhar? Most of the Chris Fitzpatrick Elf/Eldar sculpts are amazing. He has a very distinctive style which is perfect for this race. There is, once again, literally nothing wrong with this model.
Well given that this thread was a question on what I think the dumbest model is, and mind you that this is subjective, I can not stand the helmet and the swords. Everything else is fine but the damn helmet. And given that the paint job is dark on this model it usually means that from across the table, it looks like he has a pair of tyranid scything talons rather than arms. Now I am aware that the helmet is styled after the old Dark Eldar Incubi, which I also could not stand, so I just wish they resculpt it. I put it in the same class as Mephiston, old 3rd ed "should have been updated" model.
ShatteredBlade wrote: One of the best duelers in the Dark City. Leader of the incubi cults, rumored to be nothing but a suite of ash form an ancient warrior on a rampage
HODOR!
Oh this thread never ceases with the idiotic comments does it?
Care to explain what exactly is "dumb" about Drazhar? Most of the Chris Fitzpatrick Elf/Eldar sculpts are amazing. He has a very distinctive style which is perfect for this race. There is, once again, literally nothing wrong with this model.
Well given that this thread was a question on what I think the dumbest model is, and mind you that this is subjective, I can not stand the helmet and the swords. Everything else is fine but the damn helmet. And given that the paint job is dark on this model it usually means that from across the table, it looks like he has a pair of tyranid scything talons rather than arms. Now I am aware that the helmet is styled after the old Dark Eldar Incubi, which I also could not stand, so I just wish they resculpt it. I put it in the same class as Mephiston, old 3rd ed "should have been updated" model.
See, why couldn't you have said that originally? Rather than implying he resembles a mentally slowed oaf from ASOIAF in one of the many poor attempts at wit within this thread.
The head is fine IMO. if not, easy to replace as the model is finecrap. The arms can simply be updated with some new DE arms. Simples.
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Ratius wrote: So much 2nd edition model hate in here. Makes me a sad puppy :(
Me too. People do not know their history here. Kids need to show some respect.
ShatteredBlade wrote: One of the best duelers in the Dark City. Leader of the incubi cults, rumored to be nothing but a suite of ash form an ancient warrior on a rampage
HODOR!
Oh this thread never ceases with the idiotic comments does it?
Care to explain what exactly is "dumb" about Drazhar? Most of the Chris Fitzpatrick Elf/Eldar sculpts are amazing. He has a very distinctive style which is perfect for this race. There is, once again, literally nothing wrong with this model.
Well given that this thread was a question on what I think the dumbest model is, and mind you that this is subjective, I can not stand the helmet and the swords. Everything else is fine but the damn helmet. And given that the paint job is dark on this model it usually means that from across the table, it looks like he has a pair of tyranid scything talons rather than arms. Now I am aware that the helmet is styled after the old Dark Eldar Incubi, which I also could not stand, so I just wish they resculpt it. I put it in the same class as Mephiston, old 3rd ed "should have been updated" model.
See, why couldn't you have said that originally? Rather than implying he resembles a mentally slowed oaf from ASOIAF in one of the many poor attempts at wit within this thread.
The head is fine IMO. if not, easy to replace as the model is finecrap. The arms can simply be updated with some new DE arms. Simples.
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Ratius wrote: So much 2nd edition model hate in here. Makes me a sad puppy :(
Me too. People do not know their history here. Kids need to show some respect.
Nope, sadly I have the freggin metal model. Otherwise I'd have replaced it with the newer model gear.
Looks like a kroot who ate trash instead of animals.
I seem to recall that this was indeed a kroot mercenary from Inquisitor, before GW removed the line. I'm a bit hazy on this, though, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Grimtuff wrote:People do not know their history here. Kids need to show some respect.
We have, you're just not paying attention. Old eldar minis were great, as were the old demonettes, and the old guardsmen. There are many great old minis.
But there are also a lot of poorly sculpted, poorly designed, derptastic garbage. The old tyranid units aren't "bad now, but were good for their time". They're bad now, and they were bad for their time as well.
Grimtuff wrote:People do not know their history here. Kids need to show some respect.
We have, you're just not paying attention. Old eldar minis were great, as were the old demonettes, and the old guardsmen. There are many great old minis.
But there are also a lot of poorly sculpted, poorly designed, derptastic garbage. The old tyranid units aren't "bad now, but were good for their time". They're bad now, and they were bad for their time as well.
Were bad. Are bad. Rightly disrespected.
Mate, it's quite obvious I'm not referring to your posts. Mainly anyone whose age is probably still on a clock.
Grimtuff wrote:People do not know their history here. Kids need to show some respect.
We have, you're just not paying attention. Old eldar minis were great, as were the old demonettes, and the old guardsmen. There are many great old minis.
But there are also a lot of poorly sculpted, poorly designed, derptastic garbage. The old tyranid units aren't "bad now, but were good for their time". They're bad now, and they were bad for their time as well.
Were bad. Are bad. Rightly disrespected.
Mate, it's quite obvious I'm not referring to your posts. Mainly anyone whose age is probably still on a clock.
t model.
Mainly anyone whose age is probably still on a clock.
