If your not familiar with me, warsmith.co.uk or the WARBOARD, my name is Steve Smith and i have been a war-gaming enthusiast for the best part of two decades now. I've had a go at miniature production in the past with some 'notable' success. But my latest endeavour has taken me away from miniature and onto the terrain games are played on.
Im going to copy across some of what i have up on the kickstarter page, as i think its does the best at explaining what the Warboard is, does and where its going. But before i do, here is a quick video to get you started.
*i know there are a couple of minor mistake in the video, the one viewable on kickstarter has been edited to fix all the ones i could spot.
Okay, So heres what the warboard is and does.
The Warboard is an innovative, quick, easy, attractive and cost effective playing area for 28mm tabletop wargaming that folds down in to something about the size of a few stacked magazines or rule books.
Each Warboard is constructed of 2mm solid board, is double sided and folds out to 2' by 3' gaming area (61cm x 91.5cm), so two boards makes 3' by 4', four generates 4' by 6' and so on. Each side of the board is printed with a different option, these options are explained further down the page. The innovative patten designs means that there is no limit to how many board you can join together. One Warboard can be combined with others in the range to generate beautifully diverse battlefields with an almost infinite combination of orientation options. So you can keep your battlefield layouts fresh, diverse and engaging with minimal fuss!
Every Warboard is crammed full of detail and texture, from garbage and chemicals spills to tyre tracks and spent shell casings, all printed at 300dpi+ with a quality silk finish for protection.
Protection for the Warboard doesn't stop there, once you're finished the Warboard can be quickly and easily folded away into it's 2mm solid board carry case. At under 25cm x 32cm x 4cm in size the Warboard is compact and takes up relatively little space, meaning transport isn't a problem, and no more curled up corners!
So at what stage is the Warboard?
Currently 5 out of the first 6 designs for the first run have been completed. Thats 4 cityscapes and 1 corridors. With the last corridors design on its way to completion shortly.
As for production, i have been working with an international box (and cardboard coffin) manufacturer for the last year or so on a variety of products as a designer and consultant. This has enabled me to cultivate a very good relationship with them. In turn allowing me to establish a solid/realistic costing and pricing structure.
As the designs are pretty much finished with all but the two corridors designs having already gone through a test print, i have been assured the turn around should be within four to six weeks of an order being placed This includes tooling for both the board and box etc. Giving an estimated delivery time of xmas (2013) to January (2014).
Why Kickstarter?
For me, Kickstarter is a super exciting opportunity to put a product i believe in direct to the people who want it and in a way that can include them in the story that is Warboard. Lets be honest, If i were to go down the route of investors, loans and the like there would of course be more risk involved. This would inevitably mean a higher cost for the end user. I want to keep the price as low as possible for you guys, so show your support and click the pledge button over at http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/536295104/warboard-the-innovative-gaming-mat
So, there you have it. that the long and short of it. There are of course many more details and images over on the kickstarter page at http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/536295104/warboard-the-innovative-gaming-mat So please, if this is something that you think you or anyone you know might be interested in, why not go check it out?
Thanks for reading, and i hope to hear from you soon!
Hey Hits i'm not sure if it's a typr or not but the $1k pledge doesn't actually include a warboard of any discription. Only the store logo on the case.
Also, wow that four 6x4 boards pledge (200 pounds) is sweet. I wonder if I can get some local players to go together on that with me... we've been wanting to replace the mats at the store forever.
Thanks RiTides! Do you mean a 4 board set in a no dystopian sifi style? That could look pretty good. Might have to look at that for a stretch goal.
Snub - The 'retail honors' reward is there to entice potential retailers to contact me. The reason for doing it this way is that kickstarter don't allow you to offer more than 10 of any product as a reward. Obviously if there are stores out there who are interested in backing/placing pre orders in would be happy for them to get in touch to discuss bulk purchases. It's a shame that kickstarter don't support this.
02laney - thanks for the interest, I'm glad you like it. Even if you don't decided to pledge it would be great if you could show your support by passing the word around.
Well ladies and gents, we have just gone past the 10% funded point at only 2.5 hours after launch, I hope this pace is sustainable!
CptJake. Your both right, each individual board is 2'x3' 4 makes a 4'x6' and 8 can make 6'x8' or even a long 4'x12' which could be used as 3 4'x4' boards side by side. All you'd need to mark off the tables would be a few push pins and some string, you could even sharpy lines onto the boards if it's a permanent feature.
The sharpy idea also applies to many other game systems that might require grid markings.
I know it would be a 'home fix' but why not draw the grid on with a sharpie?
The only reason I'm dubious about printing a grid overlay is that it may put more people off than on. But I could incorporate some small markers the make drawing a grid on easier?
I know it would be a 'home fix' but why not draw the grid on with a sharpie?
The only reason I'm dubious about printing a grid overlay is that it may put more people off than on. But I could incorporate some small markers the make drawing a grid on easier?
Well, to be blunt, because I already own Dust Tactics tiles, so spending a premium on card tiles that I then have to alter is not going to entice me to buy. Plus, you also need the center dots for each tile, as that is how LOS works in that game. It would be a bit tough to sharpie that on without looking bad, or screwing up the alignment.
I'm just pointing out there is a market here for Dust Tactics players, so making one version out of several sets that had grids would probably have DT players buying them up. I'm not saying it has to be part of the kickstarter, but making a version of these with grids will surely sell to DT players. Maybe a clear plastic overlay with a grid and the center dots would work, while also allowing any board to work with a grid pattern.
If I were going to get them, I would use them for games of Zone Mortalis, roleplaying, or smaller skirmish games like In the Emperor's Name or skirmishing using the 2nd edition 40K rules.
That being said, I would be much more likely to buy two boards that have the cityscape on both sides for variety of setup. I would rather see more like that. the main two boards are kinda of a downer because it will always be the same Cityscape all the time when using just the two.
RiTides wrote: I think most folks are probably pledging for the cityscape tiles. Is anyone pledging for corridors, and if so, what will you use them for?
I was thinking themed games of infinity and Deadzone with a splash of Sedition Wars.
insaniak - Thanks! Sorry to hear you don't think its robust enough. But from what i have seen in the prototyping, quality 2mm high density board, laminated and sealed stands up pretty well when stored properly.
Ma55ter_fett - Thanks! And thanks for the vote of confidence! 'WHEN they retail'. Much appreciated!
If you do an infinity themed board, I'd like to point out that infinity is a clean future (mostly) and its absolutely important that there are hexagons, lots of hexagons kerbs could be represented by neon lines.
I'm definitely using the space corridors for boarding actions in infinity, with doors and scatter terrain. Possibly creating airlocks to dump offending TO camo troops into space.
Hits_the_spot wrote: AegisGrimm - How does double sided Cityscape boards as a stretch goal sound?
I think people would very VERY receptive. I know that if I were to pledge right now, it would be for Choice 1 because I like the cityscape layout, and Choice 3 because it would give me the most variation of cityscape on a 3x4 board when added to Choice 1.
I have to wait until at least halfway through the campaign to think about funds, but if a pledge goal came available for a double side cityscape, I would get Choice 3 and that.
6'x4' Early birds are all gone! Might be worth adding a "Later Early Bird" at 68 pounds (maybe limited to 25). I've seen those work well, and as that is clearly going to be the really popular pledge level, might as well incentivize more people hopping on there since it sold out day 1
1 - What is "board". I assume that is some kind of chipboard or heavy cardstock? Or picture frame matting?
2 - Do you have a protoype of the physcial board unfolded on a table to give good pictures of? Mainly, how flat is this thing?
I have used cardboard folded maps before (from old battletech to the newer d&d ones) and many times they just don't unfold very flat (necessary due to beeding to compensate for thickness in multiple folds).
How flat are these?
Finally, since your art is so good, have you considered offering them just printed as maps? Or on vinyl? etc.
I applaud your creativity and entrepreneurial spirit, and hope this goes well!!
RiTides wrote: 6'x4' Early birds are all gone! Might be worth adding a "Later Early Bird" at 68 pounds (maybe limited to 25). I've seen those work well, and as that is clearly going to be the really popular pledge level, might as well incentivize more people hopping on there since it sold out day 1
An excellent suggestion.
The Second Mouse!
Update #3 · Sep 23, 2013 · comment
Just added in a new reward at £69 as the early birds sold out before the end of day one. This reward level is limited to 50 backers and there won't be another reward added in at this level again. So grab em while you can!
Steve (I'll update the main page later today as I am currently out and about and the Ipad doesn't support editing the main page very well)
Nice . And actually, now that I've thought about it, a board that had sci-fi on one side, and fantasy / a landscape on the other would've been a good idea for versatility, too. But I think I prefer cityscape on both sides so that there is more variable layouts possible
1) Will this be a limited Kickstarter run, or will you continue to produce boards after the Kickstarter if it is successful?
2) What are the dimensions of the roads on the cityscape board? I want to know if my miniatures will fit on the roads (e.g. a 40k Rhino and/or Landraider). Ideally the roads would be big enough for two rhinos side by side, or 1 Landraider. Maybe some of the "side alleys" are only 1 Rhino wide. Something like that.
3) What about an option for cityscape on one side and a grassy/wasteland on the other instead of the corridors?
I was thinking .. "ya know, with all these board game boards I've been researching, wouldn't it be cool if someone made printed wargame boards that you could fold up real easy."
These look great .. probably won't be able to back since funds are too tight right now but if I can I will
RiTides wrote: Madman, he posted a picture with measurements of the roads in an update:
Spoiler:
Also, this:
MadmanMSU wrote: 3) What about an option for cityscape on one side and a grassy/wasteland on the other instead of the corridors?
Great minds think alike . I'd be torn between a double-sided cityscape and this, but I would prefer either option over the corridors on the back.
That's pretty good. Just big enough for 2 rhino's side by side or a Landraider on the small. I would be totally happy with a second city set on the back instead of the corridors, either as a second map or (preferably) one that can be interchanged so that you can flip the tiles around and create a new map every time.
Will the 4 board carrying case be included in the 4 board pledge option, or will it be additional? Assuming it hits the stretch goal.
It looks like it would be rather hellish to drive on those streets. But, you know, in the future maybe vehicles handle better.
Fine idea though. My concern would be the boards having a tendency to slide around during play. One might have to lay down some non-skid liner underneath the boards, or use some heavy terrain or something.
Whoa! I leave the thread alone for half a day and theres almost a new page of posts! Thanks to everyone for there interest, its all seam to be be pretty positive thus far. We're at just and i mean 'just' over the half way point now and pledges are starting to slow down. So keep on passing the word around!
Ill try to cover all the points and questions as precisely and concisely as i can, but i'm going to have a meeting with the manufacturer very shortly, so this may be posted later than i had planned.
- So far i have had a lot of feed back about the possible 2nd corridors design for the 2nd side of option 2. Its looking like an overwhelming number of people would like to see it replaced with a grassy battlefield.
- 6 and 15mm scale cityscapes options have also had a fare mention, so i think they will have to be moved up the priorities list. Maybe a specific board for those types?
- Thanks to RiTides great idea i have introduced a 'the second mouse' reward to entice more backers. For £69 you get 4 boards of your choice and cases, it also includes UK shipping, international is at an additional £13.
- Just to reiterate the boards make up. Both board and case are made from dense 2mm board laminated with the prints and sealed with a silk/mat finish.
- I do currently have a prototype but this was cut by hand so i am loath to post pics as it is not the quality i would like. But i can confirm that it sits perfectly flat with little to no movement on an mdf table.
Right, the manufacturer has just arrived so i'm off for a meeting. I will post back soon if possible!
Hits_the_spot wrote: - So far i have had a lot of feed back about the possible 2nd corridors design for the 2nd side of option 2. Its looking like an overwhelming number of people would like to see it replaced with a grassy battlefield.
With the base goal, you're having 3 different designs of boards printed, right?
The problem with making "Corridors 2" into a Grassy battlefield, is that then you won't be able to use the other side of that board easily, as you'd have four duplicate Cityscape 2 boards.
My thought is that you need to replace both Corridor 1 and Corridor 2 with a Grassy battlefield, if you were to go that route. Just replacing one doesn't leave either theme enough options to work... imo, of course!
Edit: I think it'd be ideal to have 4 board designs to work with, instead of 3. Then the 4th board could either be grassy on the front and back or, which I think would be more useful to more gamers, simply have each of the 4 boards have cityscape on one side, and grassy on the other. Ultimate versatility! Perhaps this could be one of the very first stretch goals, as it might be even more useful than the 4-board box (it's a toss-up to me, but those are definitely the two highest priorities I would think).
Also, when I and others say "grassy" I think they just mean "non-sci-fi compatible"... not necessarily green fields
And I'm not necessarily against them, I just don't think you can get away with 1 corridors and 1 grassy. You need 2 variants to make any theme worth doing, imo.
Well boys and girls, Just had a great meeting with the manufacturer.
Between us we have managed to figure out a way of printing a much wider varieaty of designs without significant cost increase, and no increase to backers!
I need to map it out properly, but its looking like will will ba able to offer:
city 1 / city 4
city 2 / city 3
city 1 / corridors 1
city 2 / corridors 2
city 3 / battlefield 1
city 4 / battlefield 2
With the option of not only adding extra variety as stretch goals, but also an additional set of board types. Battlefields and something else. The process of mapping out the prints/cuts is a bit complex to explain, but the long and short is, design must be kept as pairs on one sheet and these sheets can be flipped but not mirrored (as there must be a leading edge to maintain the continuity between boards)
But wait, theres more! What about a box that can carry 4 boards i hear you ask. Got that sorted too, price to be set in stone but a correx box with handle which can fit 4 boards including the individual cases should come out at £5!
And finally, to drop a little weight but maintain quality the cases will be made from coated e flute cardboard.
Hows that for good news!?
back to some other Q's
- if all goes well and there is a proven demand, i will of course be looking to pitch the product to retailers.
- boards would only slide about if the surface were excessively slipy, like a marble work top. But i will look into adding a slight texture to the finish to make sure.
As long as "battlefield" doesn't have sci-fi elements (can have all sorts of other features, though).
I'll also add on the £5 for the 4-board carry case if it ends up being that. Although it sounds like they'll work fine in their own cases, and I guess if you were getting the 4-board case you wouldn't need the individual ones...
The only thing that has me torn now is that it doesn't look like I'd be able to get a full battlefield (i.e. it would only be 3'x4'). Would've loved to have battlefield 1 & 2 on the back of cityscapes 1 & 2, if the double-sided cityscapes are just repeats anyway. But I am still pretty ecstatic about this
Edit: For the record, that would be this:
city 1 / city 4 battlefield 1
city 2 / city 3 battlefield 2
city 1 / corridors 1
city 2 / corridors 2
city 3 / battlefield 1
city 4 / battlefield 2
Maybe take a poll and see which the backers would prefer?
RiTide - Job done. Just mapped it out and added it to the kickstarter update.
city 1 / city 4
city 2 / city 3
city 1 / corridors 1
city 2 / corridors 2
city 1 / battlefield 1
city 2 / battlefield 2
city 3 / battlefield 1
city 4 / battlefield 2
with additional options for a stretch goal set.
Spyguyyoda - Thanks! glad to be of service!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ironicsilence - I'm there with you, its up on the kickstarter as a possible stretch goal. But unfortunately you are one of the one people to mention it so far. A reduced scale board with grass battlefield on the reverse seems to be the most asked for option.
Whoa, that is amazing! I'll have my SciFi and fantasy board all in one. This will be so convenient . Going to email my friends and see if they might like to split the higher pledge, too.
Thanks for taking all the feedback, this just gets better and better!
I'd be up for a fantasy / Victorian themed board as well - perfect for Malifaux / Empire of the Dead / zombie games etc. I bet if you posted on the Infinity forum you would get backers for that style board, Malifaux forum for those style boards etc. Dakka can be a bit GW centric.
Nephlilim.
I feel like the cityscape could work for those, right, depending on terrain? Maybe not perfectly but it's worlds better than the green felt mats we use for Everything at my store currently
RiTides wrote: What are you using the corridors for, Bolognesus?
And I'm not necessarily against them, I just don't think you can get away with 1 corridors and 1 grassy. You need 2 variants to make any theme worth doing, imo.
RPGs etc., really. I might just rethink pledging entirely, just realized I'd be much better off just print 'n playing a more modular system might be more suited (and using 2D print for wargames feels 'off' to me - I'd splurge extra and go something Zuzzy for wargames in all likelyhood).
Agree any theme would need at least two, if not more, variants though. I'm kind of surprised that would be an issue with 'card' stuff, but then again I never quite did get the hang of setup costs and moqs in printing, obviously.
Love the new update! I hope the battlefield is very barren, though- I'd actually prefer it to be wartorn (rocky / craters / ditches) with little or no grass.
Also, there should be a Warboard G and H right (City 1 / Battlefield 1 and City 4 / Battlefield 2) and they're just not pictured, right?
You spoil everything RiTides! lol. Yup, I'm join to add that option v soon! it will be city1/battlefield 2 and city 4/battlefield1.
Im also on the verge of deciding on the next stretch goal. It going to have to be a fantasy set, and I'm really liking the idea of creating a dungeon graphic.
I know it's just a WIP / sample, but I think I'd like less grass and more barren landscape (grass might not translate to print well, imo):
Also, I didn't realize the 4-board box stretch goal was only 9K! That's awesome
For the smaller cityscape board stretch goal at 10K, I'm guessing it would just be one option (the whole cityscape on a single board) repeated 4 times? I think I'll just stick to the big cityscape to have 4 different tiles, but that is still very cool
Here's the current stretch goal list from the main KS page:
If we end up surpassing the original campaign goal, stretch goals and there details will be posted here. But for now heres a little something to wet your whistle, a list of proposed stretch goals. Leave a comment to let me know what you'd like to see.
Having had a meeting with the manufacturer last night (23rd Sep) I can now confirm that the stretch goals will be:
1 - 9k - 4 board multi box made from correx (or similar) to be offered as an additional reward. The multi box will hold 4 boards and their cases. The multi case will also be offered at cost + postage to all kickstarter backers.
2 -10k - New Board Types! - 15mm scale - All the 4 cityscape designs shrunk down onto 1 board backed with the grassy battlefield options.
3 -12k - New Board Type! - To be decided, So have your say now!
Also, my vote for the 12K stretch is a starfield for X-wing players (probably backing the cityscape). Although the suggestion of a cityscape / battlefield transition board was a good idea, too, but might be harder to implement (and 28mm players are already getting the love with most of these options).
If you do go with a starfield, keep in mind that X-wing is played on I believe a 3' x 3' space usually? So, they'd likely only need a 2 boards. This means that the 2 cityscape boards it goes on the back of should be different than the 2 cityscape boards you have the corridors on the back of, so that someone could have 4 cityscape tiles on the front, with 2 corridors and 2 starfield tiles on the back.
X-wing players, if you want this post up . I know there's lots of 40k players who also play X-wing, so it'd make a very versatile board, particularly with the other 2 backings being corridors!
A starfield design would be pretty easy to implement, but I'm thinking that the fantasy players aren't getting much at the mo. Well apart from the batt field board.
The two options I'd like to get to grips with next are starfield and fantasy dungeon. But I also want to get underworld, fantasy town, desert and ice world boards on the go. And before I can get those done I need to finalise the 2nd corridors board and both battlefields.
So much to do! Tonight and over the weekend I hope to release more graphics and another video.
Yeah, I am totally floored by the lack of RPG dungeon as an initial aspect of this KS.
'Boards' don't naturally lend themselves to wargaming, but do to RPG and dungeon stuff. Doing a Spacehulk board is awesome, but talk about a limited market. If anything I would think the RPG dungeon market would outshine the Spacehulk boards by a mile.
I wish them luck, If their market is Sci-Fi skirmish and wargaming, so be it.
A dungeon board seems a poor choice in my opinion. There are plenty of tiles and even resin pieces out there which allow the user to change layout as required. A static 'this is the dungeon' board would have pretty limited utility compared to being able to dynamically lay out tiles in my opinion. Frankly the space corridor suffers from the same limitations. Those just seem to be bad choices for a big ol' board.
That's where I'm at, CptJake, but I can see the use of just the 2 space corridors boards, and several backers have said those are the ones they're getting.
I think the fact that there is 2 makes an opportunity for 2 of another design (like a starfield, dungeon, etc)... but what it is will be determined by popular demand it seems. So post your preference if you have one
agreed, I use tiles and dwarvenforge in my current pathfinder game and dont think I would use a dungeon warboard. For a dungeon things needs to be very module to be useful IMO
I personally think there are already plenty of starfield map options out there...and in reality, its one of the easiest type of maps to make yourself with a minimal amount of crafting skill.
The decent city boards, as presented however, are a lot bigger challenge to make (or to make well).
Now, of course, a later add on map, that is starfield on one side, and "water" naval on the other would be a great additional product...but I don't think that it should be part of the core set - produce what is not out there first.
Thanks for all the feedback guys, some stuff I'll have to have a think about tomorrow when I sit down and go over everything. But for now, a little news.
Congrats on the funding, well done.
I think starfield / sea would be a waste of a great product, add them in as a core choice but not as a stretch goal. Lets see something more unusual like that fantasy city / ruined lab complex / industrial something or other.
Nephilim
I agree completely, the only thing is that there has been such a demand for a starfield print. Keep an eye on the KS page later today, for some more updates!
Thanks again to everyone here on Dakka for their support and pledges. Funded in less than a week, can you believe it!
I'd have thought a double sided star field/Episode IV "Space Station with trench" would have been ideal for the X-Wing crowd - covering both the generic and the iconic in one easy hit that can be stored with their X-Wing stuff
Just a quick update - I've add a few more graphics and confirmed the stretch goals. I had wanted to get another little video up as well, but time just ran away from me today.
I'm also sorting out all the designs and specs to send over to the manufacturer. There just doesn't seem to be enough hours in the day!
Azazelx - I have added 'starfield' as a stretch goal option.
£7 --- Multi Case - Carry 4 Warboards (including their individual packing) in one case. Makes for even more convenient transportation and storage. *Details and visuals to follow.
Estimated delivery: Dec 2013
Add £3 to ship outside the UK
If you're already pledging for the warboard, will you still need to add the 3 pounds for shipping?
Since it holds their individual cases inside of it, I'm thinking this might not be necessary for everybody, but I am looking forward to the visual
Assuming we hit 10K and stop flirting with it do you think the 15mm scale city will work okay with 4 tiles repeating the same design? I'm sorely tempted to go for that one instead of the full-size cityscape, as I am playing Dropzone Commander (10mm) quite frequently now, and hoping to play Mecha Front (15mm) when it releases. But I'm not sure about how the 4 duplicate tiles will look... maybe you'll get a graphic up for it?
If this configuration had been possible, I probably would've gone for- Front: City tiles 1-4. Back: Corridors 1-2, 15mm Cityscape x 2. But that still would've left me with a 3x4 15mm battlefield when I really need 4x4, so it might not've been worth making that configuration possible, anyway (as most people probably need 4x4).
Anyway, looking forward to the 15mm unlocking and I'll make my decision then
yeah, I almost forgot to post here in this thread. I saw this thread on day 1 and went to the kickstarter straight away... I instantly wanted one!
A few years back I missed out on the GW city of death 6'x4' rolled up paper poster city. My first thoughts on that was 'it's a 2D board? isn't that like what a child plays with toy cars on!' - I'll Pass. I've since then regretted not buying one, I've seen that city print in a battle report and it looked amazing with terrain, tanks and mini's on it!
Spoiler:
And IMO these WarBoards graphics look better that that GW print! Plus these are being printed on sturdy card not paper! so it will stand up to standard gamer abuse better.
I was not missing out again! I backed straight away. I'm Very excited. I'm planning on getting the 4 city designs. Plus I hope that on the back of each city board design I can get a space corridor design for the Double Win! I simply can't wait to get hold of it and play some games on it.
Perhaps Steve can post on here to clear things up. I'm sure that Kickstarter option can't be for everyboard ? I read it as for your own personal boards.
Also am I right in thinking that for those already on a 4 board pledge another £7 gets you the deluxe box to hold them all in ?
Nephilim
I certainly hope they get this sorted. I did notice this but I thought nah they wouldn't do that. Now I'm thinking, hold on they don't really mean to do this......do they?
Bloody Honours - Receive 4 Warboards of your choice and carry cases (4'x6'). Also have your Warboard personalised with your screen name or nick name scrawled in blood on every board you pick! Includes Honorary Warsmith and UK delivery.
Nephilim- You can add on £8 for a normal box to hold 4 boards, but the deluxe box is a bit higher as far as I can tell.
I have updated the rewards a little to dissolve some potential issues brought up by Panic.
I will also be adding the 15mm scale city board as a core option later today along with a visual of the multicast.
As for the multicase itself, if you would like one, all you need to is add to your existing pledge. Details will be on the main KS page v shortly.
Thanks again to everyone for their support. We are at just over 10k now, which is something like 120% of the funding. So the pressure is on to get ready for print for when the campaign is over, hence my sporadic absence form Dakka etc.
Doesn't help my time management that i have also landed a job designing/visualising store layouts for one of the UK largest telecoms chains!
Hopefully busy, busy,busy equals money in the bank for you
Some questions for you Hits...
1. How do the folds work on the boards and what material is it made from - basically, how sturdy is the fold area? I'm visualising it as a similar system to board games that fold, but after time these can start to split or crack so will be the weakest part of the product and most prone to damage...
2. Does the fold have a lower surface level than the rest of the board - would be great to see a 'real life' image of the boards if you have any?
3. How sturdy is the board to 'misuse' - my main concern is that my young son gets at them and starts to run his matchbox / hotwheels cars over the surface - is the board sturdy enough that it wont dent / mark?
Still think these are amazing and I'm in for a set of four (cityscape + grassland) plus cary case - presuming delivery is Dec '13, these are going to be my Christmas Prezzie from the wife and kids
1 - The folds are 'half cuts' which also incorporate the laminated and sealed print. So will stand up to many folds/unfolds.
2 - I do have a hand cut prototype, but this doesn't really show to true quality of the finial product.
3 - obviously the boards are, after everything still made mostly of card. It's dense and hard wearing though and should stand up pretty well to some hotwheels action!
If all goes according to plan, and so far it looks that way, I will be shipping the first run before Xmas.
Cheers for the answers Hits - I recall you mentioning earlier about the prototype and I don't blame you for holding back on showing that - will you have a pre-production run that you'll show?
BTW, the £9k stretch goal image with the cases looks great - that alone would make me want to buy these if I wasn't already. We need to get you more backers and release more stretch goals (and make more money for the project of course )
People seem to be very confident that the warboard will be getting to retail stores at some point, and they are probably right (at least i hope so). But i couldn't even guess as too a time frame and prices could change by then. I should also mention that any boards being mass produced for retail (more than 100 units) are likely to be limited when it comes to design choice. If you take a look at the KickStarter main page under Options, you'll see that there is quite a variety available via the kickstarter.
Thanks again to everyone who has pledged and supported the Warboard!
Glad you find the warboard interesting, currently there are 2 corridor design available via the KS. unless the KS reaches over its existing stretch goals there wont be anymore available in the KS.
I think the number of board type offerings you have is fantastic currently... but I'm a little worried that you might get stretched too thin if the campaign hits too many further stretch goals (basically, a new board type every 1K from here on). Doesn't it cost more than that to have the boards made... or is it once the initial cost is covered, it's easy to add more types?
You've already expanded the base offerings, and unlocked the 15mm scale city... just don't want you to get stretched too thin!
Also I almost wish this was over since the dollar has been tanking against the pound since our government shutdown. Although maybe we'll open up again before the end and remedy that... there's a week to go . Probably not enough time for Congress to get it's act together, though!
RiTides - Don't worry, I've got it all sorted. I'm spread thin, but not too thin. I'll sleep when I'm dead! Seriously tho, I just posted on the KS comments, I'm very busy at the mo and has been focusing on my day job and finishing the boards, so haven't spent enough time pushing the KS and bringing it to life. I'll just have to try harder!
Thanks again to everyone for there continued support. GIMI MORE DAKKA!
Games & Gears is trying to claim 'Warsmith' as their trademark for their terrain, if you haven't already started the process make sure to protect your trademark.
Yep, they're still there even though the backer total went up by 2! I think a few folks went for higher pledges... these definitely won't be around for the end of the campaign so grab them now if you're on the fence.
Might be worth making an update regarding the last 3 days . Since this ends really late Monday night (or actually, early Tuesday morning) in the US.
Will there be a delay if folks select the 15mm city, or if the fantasy dungeon unlocks, since it seems likely to?
Will the fantasy dungeon be a full-table type terrain, or will it be like the corridors with "negative space" (I'm hoping the former).
Will there be at least 2 designs for the fantasy dungeon, and what will be on the back of it? A preview pic of it in an update to help get a final push to unlock it would be really helpful . I feel like both it and the Starfield can easily unlock before the end (less than 500 pounds needed for the Fantasy Dungeon, and 1.5K for the Starfield) with a little promotion
So, if you have a preview image for the fantasy dungeon or starfield, or could whip one up before the end, I think sending it out in an update would generate a lot of excitement for the last few days
Question... for the urban streets looking board.. is it made for the 28mm kind of scale? Would it work for say 15mm flames of war sized minis? Or would the sidewalks and stuff look too big next to the models?
There is already a 15mm version of the city boards unlocked, Necros . It's just a single board, I believe, with the whole cityscape shrunk down onto it.
Regular sized cityscape measurements:
15mm cityscape measurements:
Looking at those measurements, it looks like the board is being scaled exactly 50% (wide roads 71mm wide instead of 142mm, small roads 46mm wide instead of 92mm).
Thanks for all the interest. Im at my desk in the studio at the mo working on the second corridors design and hope to have something to show you all soon.
Yeah,
I like how the second board has the lengthways 'corridor' broken up into rooms!
The fear was that the 'ship' would have two edge to edge corridors on a 6x4 board.
But the option to say those doors are open exists so the mega corridors can still exist? If that makes sense?
I for one welcome our new second board overlo... Wait too far!
I just went in for a £65 early bird. I couldn't resist, hopefully when it turns up it will give me the drive to actually get at least one properly painted army to play on it.
Just to make things clear for myself, with the £65 pledge I get 4 boards each with a separate case, and if I want a larger case to hold those 4 separate cases together I need to pledge £8 more right?
Is shipping to the UK still free if I add that £8?
Totally backed this and I'm proud to say that this is my first Kickstarter backing! Man I just couldn't resist this product for my Space Marines . Just one question...are these boards going to be durable when folded out? That's my only concern. Anyways, I can't wait to play on my board of cityscape.
Malik - the Warboards are made up of quality card and so are not fragile. But I wouldn't suggest play tug of war with them. The had cut prototype I have I'm May studio has been folded/unfolded quite a bit and isn't showing any signs of ware or damage.
Take a look over at the Kickstarter I have added another update, which includes a WIP of a new design!
The new corridors look great. I do like the one with the lighting more, but I guess some of it could be toned down a bit. The blue might be a bit bright.
Otherwise the corridors look really cool. Now I'm torn on what to get on each side.
Dang... Great looking stuff Hits! I'd love to back this one, but got too many immediate expenses to swing it (I'm moving shortly). I hope you get these into the retail chain at close to the current prices. You'll have a definite customer down the road!
Oh, and more corridors, please! I'd love to see 4 differen city/corridor boards.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The new corridors look great. I do like the one with the lighting more, but I guess some of it could be toned down a bit. The blue might be a bit bright.Otherwise the corridors look really cool..
yeah the new corridors look great but are much brighter than the first board.
I think they need dulled down or the first board brightened up with more colour.
Panic- I'll be going City 1-4, Battlefield 1 & 2 on back I believe. Although the corridors are tempting! If Fantasy Dungeon is offered on the back of the other 2 I might switch to:
City 1 - Corridors 2
City 2 - Fantasy Dungeon 1
City 3 - Corridors 1
City 4 - Fantasy Dungeon 2
Just need confirmation on what the options are for the dungeon
See I want to have an alternate city tile over that one that's mostly road, because that's a big span of "no terrain" that could prove unbalancing in missions. So I'd have that, and then the other side a more built up area.
And then one of each corridor... and that's it.
But 6x4 of corridors does sound nice. Then again, I own one 1st Ed Space Hulk, one 1st Ed Deathwing, two 1st Ed Genestealer, one 2nd Ed Space Hulk, nearly two 3rd Ed Space Hulks and two sets of the DOOM boardgame tiles, so maybe I don't need a 6x4 tile table.
yeah,
£12676 congrats!
I think once these are out there and in batreps a second kickstarter/retail will fly!
H.B.M.C. wrote: See I want to have an alternate city tile over that one that's mostly road, because that's a big span of "no terrain" that could prove unbalancing in missions. So I'd have that, and then the other side a more built up area.
city three is the 'open' one that's kinda a roundabout, I think If it's too open a statue, baracades or crater won't look out of place.
There is a option for city1 / city 3.
So if you get that as your city 3 tile you can flip to another city 1
yeah,
I think the black boarder and most of the grey blocks might be there to provide tolerance for slightly offset cuts during manufacture??
I have a feeling (and a hope) that the 'cut' will be very close to incomplete squares under the gray slabs.
So that we end up with boards that line up something like this.
(please excuse the misalligned boards, I'm making these mock ups on my iPhone)
Hey guys, good to see some more interest her on Dakka. I feel like i haven't been paying as much attention to the thread as I should have.
The published designs do need include the bleed, so there won't be any black edging in the way. The cut/bleed will sit about half way through the connecting blocks (the bit closest the the corridor edges).
I will be posting an update on the KS thread soon, as I have now completed the battlefield designs. So keep an eye out!
Dice kinda roll hard/flat.
The folds are pretty obvious and the sections don't line up perfectly.
But on the urban board these minor issues don't seem as evident.
The Big plus point is this surface Folds away to about the size of 4 BRBs.
Nice! And yeah, I had the same thoughts with mine about the fold points, and the hardness. But the urban design is so beautiful, and they store so compactly, that these will still get some use. I think it's not as good for the battlefield side, though.
yeah,
I agree, I have dungeon and space hulk on the back, they look ok but the urban side is best.
I think it's because the design isn't really hindered by the section lines.
. Early birds are going quickly, 8 gone already (and it's very early Sunday for the US).
kerbs could be represented by neon lines.
