Which faction is the most likely to conquer the galaxy in your opinion, and why?

Only the Tyranids have ever really engaged in extragalactic conquest and consumption, so they win by default in terms of universal scale affairs as opposed to the merely galactic. Everyone else either can't leave the galaxy (the Imperium, Eldar) or just don't want to (Necrons, Chaos) because the party they know about is in the milky way.

A moment of laxity, spawns a f**kload of tyranids!

If all the other factions would stop killing of hordes of tyranids, well, then everyone is pretty much screwed I guess.

Daemons are the most likely.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Daemons are the most likely.

Chaos dies if emotional/warp sensitive life dies. The Tau, Necrons, and Tyranids can accomplish this.

Waaaagh! Da Orks!

Tyranids won't. "Eat everything and then move on" isn't quite the same thing as "conquer". Besides, they're their own worst enemy in that they're the only current extra-galactic threat. If they were ever to arrive in significant enough numbers to actually threaten more than a single section of the galaxy, the other factions wouldn't hesitate in putting their beef on hold in order to see the critters off.

If anyone could do it, eventually, it would be the Orks.

How would dark eldar conquer the galaxy?All they do is torture people.Someone is voting for their army...

Tyranids, cause NOM NOM

Which faction is most likely to conquer the galaxy?

Already done

Problem, xenos?

 EmilCrane wrote:
Which faction is most likely to conquer the galaxy?

Already done

Problem, xenos?

An empire that is smaller, more primitive, and less powerful than the Necron Empire of Old, one which is still largely intact, just sleeping.

For the most part, the Imperium has already done it.

Crons are obviously wanting to take back what they believe is theirs, but I'm not sure of the approach. If Szarekh ever gets his butt moving, we may find humanity is the necrons best hope, or the tau. They need living bodies, a lot of them.

Eldar - no chance. The goal of the eldar appears to be incompetent.
Deldar - Don't see it.
Orks - I see them more of an invasive growth, like kudzu, not a faction.
Nids - They don't conquer, they consume.
Tau - Do not appear to have the numbers.

Tau do not appear to have the numbers, but their relationship with other races seems to change from Codex to Codex. If there were a race that could unite Eldar and Humans (and the billions of other races that seem to inhabit the galaxy but are pushed to the side due to the books being about the army they're selling).it would likely be the Tau.

Dark Eldar. Because they know how to survive.

Nah, I'm just screwin' with ya. I just have the "Ork vs. Necron/Tyranid" conversation every other day with my Necron/Tyranid playing "friend," who refuses to read anything that doesn't have to do with Necrons/Tyranids. I'm sick of it. And him, sort of.
Sometimes.

I just now stopped caring.

I would have to say the Orks. War is their only reason for existing and they have the numbers to back it up.

I voted necrons. I think in time more and more tombs will open up and spawn some super robotic gak that no one can stop. In their own time they used to be a super force before being put to sleep.....Well history repeats itself.

I vote Creed. the second the tyranids win, a hundred baneblades explode out of every carnifex.

I voted Eldar. Because when the dust settles after the final battle, 100 baneblades will explode out of every carnifex..and then get sucked through a warp rift that Eldrad got a primitive race to create eons ago.
Just as planned.

Our galaxy consists of at least 100 billion stars (according to Wiki). The Imperium consits of a mere one million worlds. It is highly unlikely that any faction, wihin the setting will ever come close to truly conquering the entire galaxy. Even the Imperium of Man, which currently is closest to that goal, only controls a few scattered islands within the vast ocean of space.

KingDeath wrote:
Our galaxy consists of at least 100 billion stars (according to Wiki). The Imperium consits of a mere one million worlds. It is highly unlikely that any faction, wihin the setting will ever come close to truly conquering the entire galaxy. Even the Imperium of Man, which currently is closest to that goal, only controls a few scattered islands within the vast ocean of space.

Well the Tyranids have already cleaned house about twelve or thirteen times. So they're obviously capable of doing it again.

I'd also say that the Necron, Eldar, and Old One Empires were/are more expansive, and the Orks definitely hold more active worlds than humanity.

I really cannot see how anyone would think that the Imperium would win. They are beset on all sides.

Nids would seem most likely.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
I really cannot see how anyone would think that the Imperium would win. They are beset on all sides.

Nids would seem most likely.

There's a rather strong current of "Humanity feth ya!" going through science fiction, look at virtually all the complaining that erupts when the humans actually lose or are ultimately unimportant in scifi.

I vote squats.

KingDeath wrote:
Our galaxy consists of at least 100 billion stars (according to Wiki). The Imperium consits of a mere one million worlds. It is highly unlikely that any faction, wihin the setting will ever come close to truly conquering the entire galaxy. Even the Imperium of Man, which currently is closest to that goal, only controls a few scattered islands within the vast ocean of space.

To be fair, most of it is uninhabitable. So thats only expected. Doesn't mean they don't control the space those worlds.

Mat Ward Grey Kniggitz lulz

Despite my ambivalence towards them, I have to say Tyranids. They have the numbers, the resources and the flexibility to do it.

Luckily it's a setting, so everyone gets to beat each others brains out on a relatively level footing.

fishy bob wrote:
Mat Ward Grey Kniggitz lulz

Actually Just Matt Ward himself. Thats right Matt Ward will conquer the galaxy. The logic is undeniable.

1) Matt Ward writes the rules

2) Matt Ward writes cheesy overpowered rules.

3) Matt Ward Watt will write the rules for himself, therefore

4) Matt Ward will have the cheesiest maxed out ridiculoso rules ever.

Matt Ward > Emprah

I think the final showdown will be between Tyranids and Tau.

Humanity is in decline, holding onto the shards of a once great empire; same for Eldar, Dark Eldar and Necrons.

Orks are orks - they don't conquer, they just run around screaming. Battle is their goal, not conquest.

Chaos exists to predate upon life, not destroy it. No gain for them in wiping everyone out, in fact significant loss.

Tyranids are more of a force of nature than a conquering force, but are probably the most likely for last-man-standing before they move on to the next galaxy (like they appear to have already done - who knows how many galaxies out there are chock full of 'nids?

Tau are the only force in the game as it stands that are actually expanding their empire, and aggressively at that. Their tactics of assimilation and co-operation with conquered enemies is very effective, and as in human history, tends to build the most resilient long-term empires.

They've also got the motivation to actually try and wipe out the Tyranids. Everyone else seems content to play a defensive game against them; Tau strike me as likely to step up, conquer or ally with everyone else, then go Tyranid hunting.

Tau.

Vulgar wrote:
For the most part, the Imperium has already done it.
Orks - I see them more of an invasive growth, like kudzu, not a faction.

That's racist. Speciesist. Whatever.

Seriously, though. Orks may not be unified, but they're still a faction. There are also a ton of them. I don't think Orks are likely to get their ish together in order to conquer, say, Holy Terra. But I think when all is said and done, they will steadily grow and eventually topple the crumbling empires of old.

Barring the Galaxy getting sucked into the Warp or the Emperor waking up (or some other twist), I think the final showdown will be between Tau (who may absorb the shattered remnants of Eldar and Men), Orks, and Nidz.

Also, for those that think that Orks "don't conquer" or "aren't a faction," consider this:

I tend to figure Tau. Humanity already HAS conquered the galaxy more or less. they've to put it bluntly, had their best shot. the past belongs to the Eldar and Necrons, the present to humanity. but the future belongs to the Tau

I'm curious as to who voted Eldar. Eldar would be unable to win because the final battle against chaos requires the death of all Eldar.

Not sure a victor would ever emerge as the scale of the area involved would never allow one faction to be able to respond to new threats emerging and old ones reinforcing themselves.

Sadly if I had to choose one it would be the nids and thats so terribly depressing and 40k!

Chaos. When the Emperor dies the realms spill forth and consume the galaxy.
First the galaxy, then the universe, then the MULTIVERSE! BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Animus wrote:
Chaos. When the Emperor dies the realms spill forth and consume the galaxy.
First the galaxy, then the universe, then the MULTIVERSE! BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Or they wink out and die as every warp sensitive organism in the galaxy perishes.

 Kain wrote:

Animus wrote:
Chaos. When the Emperor dies the realms spill forth and consume the galaxy.
First the galaxy, then the universe, then the MULTIVERSE! BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Or they wink out and die as every warp sensitive organism in the galaxy perishes.

Chaos is extra-galactic, extra universal even. The death of one galaxy wouldn't end them.

Necron or Nids.

Necrons could strand the Nids in this galaxy with their Celesital Orrey, but then that would mean no more planets to conquer...

Animus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Animus wrote:
Chaos. When the Emperor dies the realms spill forth and consume the galaxy.
First the galaxy, then the universe, then the MULTIVERSE! BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Or they wink out and die as every warp sensitive organism in the galaxy perishes.

Chaos is extra-galactic, extra universal even. The death of one galaxy wouldn't end them.

Please show me the evidence that Chaos exists out of the milky way when there's a great deal of evidence that Chaos as we know it was formed primarily by humanity and the Eldar.

Chaos...as long as war remains a thing they always win...

 Kain wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Daemons are the most likely.

Chaos dies if emotional/warp sensitive life dies. The Tau, Necrons, and Tyranids can accomplish this.

If the Chaos gods ever felt truly threatened by one faction in the Galaxy wiping out all the others, that faction would quickly cease to exist.

None of them, because in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there is only war, so no faction can possibly win as that would end the war.

Which is why Chaos wins.

Chaos has already won, is the point. They, along with I guess the Orks, are the only faction in the Galaxy that completely benefits from the current status quo. Unlike the Orks however, Chaos is the only faction that actually has the power to keep the status quo as it is.

Chuck Norris wins ... nuff said.

I think the C'Tan got this. some day a big enough fleet will hit Sol and will destroy mars, letting the void dragon out. or barring that due to possible sharding of the VD, someone opens the Outsiders cage.
Non Gods id say necrons, they have tomb worlds almost everywhere and i dont see the biggest nid fleet beating even 10 world engines.

In-universe, my vote goes to the Tyranids: as they are, as of the current setting, the only species thatlaunched three massive invasion into the milky way that wreck untold carnage, in less than 300 years as a singular unity. Such frequency can probably only be matched by the Greenskins; and yet, the Tyranids are far more organised and having a far more diversified strategy (infiltration & covert ops, assassination & sabotage, and even brute intrusion). If they keep up the pace, all species close to the eastern fringe will surely fall prey to the Great Devourer.

But since very little of the Tyranids is known outside of the galaxy, their future movement is unpredictable; should they fail to mount another such massive assault within a millennium, they are probably over-stretched by the three invasions. In which case my vote goes to Chaos, not for merit, but for the fact that, the only other candidate, the Greenskins, have no stomach for inter-galactic dominance (it's all about the fightin', accordingly).


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IssacClarkeisBatman99 wrote:
I think the C'Tan got this. some day a big enough fleet will hit Sol and will destroy mars, letting the void dragon out. or barring that due to possible sharding of the VD, someone opens the Outsiders cage.
Non Gods id say necrons, they have tomb worlds almost everywhere and i dont see the biggest nid fleet beating even 10 world engines.

Yeah... C'Tan got reconn'd, but for a few rare cases that are masked in ambiguity (such as the Void Dragon), all other C'tans are but shards now. More importantly, it's unlikely under the current settings the Necrons will ever ally with the (very few) surviving C'Tans again.

Since the current agendas of the Necrons are (depending on which Necron Lord you ask) waiting for a suitable species to be their souls' new hosts, or to kill everything out of hatred, galactic dominance is probably not going to happen to them.

Sadly, I'll have to say 'nids...

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Daemons are the most likely.

Chaos dies if emotional/warp sensitive life dies. The Tau, Necrons, and Tyranids can accomplish this.

If the Chaos gods ever felt truly threatened by one faction in the Galaxy wiping out all the others, that faction would quickly cease to exist.

You mean like how they made the Emperor stop existing by waving their hands right?

Or how they totally mind control everyone to follow their principles right?

Or how they totally destroyed the Necrons and their warp blocking tech right?

Or how there is *totally* conclusive evidence about Chaos existing outside the galaxy right?

Or how your proof is so conclusive that Chaos is clearly leading in the polls right?

I remember reading that the current nid presence in the galaxy is only the first tendrils of the approaching swarm, testing the galaxy for weak points before the main mass arrives.

Poly Ranger wrote:
I remember reading that the current nid presence in the galaxy is only the first tendrils of the approaching swarm, testing the galaxy for weak points before the main mass arrives.

The "fingers" of a "hand", I think. That's a lot of bugs....

 Kain wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Animus wrote:
Chaos. When the Emperor dies the realms spill forth and consume the galaxy.
First the galaxy, then the universe, then the MULTIVERSE! BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Or they wink out and die as every warp sensitive organism in the galaxy perishes.

Chaos is extra-galactic, extra universal even. The death of one galaxy wouldn't end them.

Please show me the evidence that Chaos exists out of the milky way when there's a great deal of evidence that Chaos as we know it was formed primarily by humanity and the Eldar.

In Dead Sky, Black Sun it's revealed that Khorne has had entire galaxies butchered.

Awful knowledge flooded Uriel as he stared into the portal opened in the fabric of the universe. He saw galaxies of billions upon billions of souls harvested and fed to the Lord of Skulls, the Blood God.
‘Emperor’s mercy,’ wept Uriel as he felt each of these deaths lodge like a splinter in his heart. New life and new purpose had once filled these galaxies, but now all was death, slaughtered to sate the hunger of the Blood God…

In the daemons codex we have Nurgle creating every plague in the universe and Tzeentch listening to the hopes of everything in the universe. We have dimensional travel in Fantasy and 40k too.

Animus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Animus wrote:
Chaos. When the Emperor dies the realms spill forth and consume the galaxy.
First the galaxy, then the universe, then the MULTIVERSE! BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Or they wink out and die as every warp sensitive organism in the galaxy perishes.

Chaos is extra-galactic, extra universal even. The death of one galaxy wouldn't end them.

Please show me the evidence that Chaos exists out of the milky way when there's a great deal of evidence that Chaos as we know it was formed primarily by humanity and the Eldar.

In Dead Sky, Black Sun it's revealed that Khorne has had entire galaxies butchered.

Awful knowledge flooded Uriel as he stared into the portal opened in the fabric of the universe. He saw galaxies of billions upon billions of souls harvested and fed to the Lord of Skulls, the Blood God.
‘Emperor’s mercy,’ wept Uriel as he felt each of these deaths lodge like a splinter in his heart. New life and new purpose had once filled these galaxies, but now all was death, slaughtered to sate the hunger of the Blood God…

In the daemons codex we have Nurgle creating every plague in the universe and Tzeentch listening to the hopes of everything in the universe. We have dimensional travel in Fantasy and 40k too.

Is any of this corroborated by anything and not easily dismissed as simple narrative hyperbole or the Chaos gods screwing with someone?

Especially since the Chaos Gods were born from Humans and Eldar? Who as I recall, exist entirely in this galaxy.

And if your evidence is so conclusive, why is Chaos lagging so far behind in the polls?

sorry, but the necrons are going to rebuild the necontyr empire. as much as I hate to admit that.

 Kain wrote:
Is any of this corroborated by anything and not easily dismissed as simple narrative hyperbole or the Chaos gods screwing with someone?

Is anything ever? Once you start to ignore bits just because you don't like them then the integrity of the setting crumbles. Tyranids eating galaxies? Nah, didn't happen, some of the bugs tried to eat my bagel, but I squashed them right good. Empire of a million worlds? Actually there's just one, the rest is a day dream of the "Emperor's" autistic son. Orks love to fight? They're just messing with us, they enjoy nothing more than quite nights with a cup of tea and their favourite slippers.

 Kain wrote:
Especially since the Chaos Gods were born from Humans and Eldar? Who as I recall, exist entirely in this galaxy.

The origin doesn't mean the end though. You were maybe born in a certain hospital, but I assume that you're not limited to that hospital.

 Kain wrote:
And if your evidence is so conclusive, why is Chaos lagging so far behind in the polls?

People don't know? Or maybe they do and just have different opinions? Argumentum ad populum is any case.

 Kain wrote:
Especially since the Chaos Gods were born from Humans and Eldar? Who as I recall, exist entirely in this galaxy.

Where is it said that the Ruinous Powers were born from Humans? They surely contributed but I've never read that they were the dominant influence. Indeed, it seems extremely unlikely that they were considering that the Ruinous Powers other than Slaanesh were 'born' while humanity was still confined to a single planet.

Currently Tyranids.

If the Orks ever get their messiah or if Ghaz proves to be it and keeps growing...? They will annihilate or enslave every other being in the galaxy. As already discussed many times, the ork is the most perfectly designed warrior race in the galaxy, superseding the inherent flaws in tyranid biomorphs or necron warriors by a massive measure.

The only (and very significant) thing preventing their conquest is a lack of unity, if however something's been programmed into them by the old ones, or a waaagh should start that just continues to snowball instead of peter out... the rest of the galaxy can kiss it's ass goodbye.

Animus wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Is any of this corroborated by anything and not easily dismissed as simple narrative hyperbole or the Chaos gods screwing with someone?

Is anything ever? Once you start to ignore bits just because you don't like them then the integrity of the setting crumbles. Tyranids eating galaxies? Nah, didn't happen, some of the bugs tried to eat my bagel, but I squashed them right good. Empire of a million worlds? Actually there's just one, the rest is a day dream of the "Emperor's" autistic son. Orks love to fight? They're just messing with us, they enjoy nothing more than quite nights with a cup of tea and their favourite slippers.

 Kain wrote:
Especially since the Chaos Gods were born from Humans and Eldar? Who as I recall, exist entirely in this galaxy.

The origin doesn't mean the end though. You were maybe born in a certain hospital, but I assume that you're not limited to that hospital.

 Kain wrote:
And if your evidence is so conclusive, why is Chaos lagging so far behind in the polls?

People don't know? Or maybe they do and just have different opinions? Argumentum ad populum is any case.

The difference is that all "evidence" of Chaos having a multigalactic presence happens entirely within a select few black library novels and can thus be dismissed more lightly. Which we can almost certainly do as Chaos is known to lie.

Meanwhile direct evidence from studio sources says that the Tyranids have entirely devoured multiple galaxies.

Addittionally, the warp is said to be extremely calm, almost entirely silent in fact, outside where it corresponds to the milky way galaxy.

It's devoid of life and thus devoid of all contributions to the warp, leaving just a blank slate of nothing.

And the reason why I brought it up is that you speak as if your evidence is conclusive, when it's most certainly not.

Chaos is also very much reliant on it's mortal followers, who are less numerous, less well armed, and generally speaking less well trained than their loyalist counterparts, further hampered by Chaos' immensely poor industrial base compared to the Imperium that makes a long term war of attrition with the Imperium suicidal for the forces from the eye of terror.

Without it's mortal followers, the Daemons can do nothing but sit and watch if something came in and swept all life from the galaxy to leave it a silent void.

 Kain wrote:

The difference is that all "evidence" of Chaos having a multigalactic presence happens entirely within a select few black library novels and can thus be dismissed more lightly. Which we can almost certainly do as Chaos is known to lie.

Chaos is multigalactic and multidimensional.

This has been background since the Realm of Chaos books, Slaves and L&D, 20 years ago. It was compounded in the Liber Chaotica books some time later and has been a continuing theme ever since.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Kain wrote:

The difference is that all "evidence" of Chaos having a multigalactic presence happens entirely within a select few black library novels and can thus be dismissed more lightly. Which we can almost certainly do as Chaos is known to lie.

Chaos is multigalactic and multidimensional.

This has been background since the Realm of Chaos books, Slaves and L&D, 20 years ago. It was compounded in the Liber Chaotica books some time later and has been a continuing theme ever since.

Multidimensional, but not multigalactic in any conclusive materials I've read or been presented with that cannot be confirmed as not being the lies of gods and daemons who are very well known for being liars.

As for multidimensional, it's is like saying the Combine from half-life could beat the Xeelee because the Combine is in multiple universe while the Xeelee with their "piano wire a galaxy in half" supertech are primarily existent in only one.

 Kain wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Is any of this corroborated by anything and not easily dismissed as simple narrative hyperbole or the Chaos gods screwing with someone?

Is anything ever? Once you start to ignore bits just because you don't like them then the integrity of the setting crumbles. Tyranids eating galaxies? Nah, didn't happen, some of the bugs tried to eat my bagel, but I squashed them right good. Empire of a million worlds? Actually there's just one, the rest is a day dream of the "Emperor's" autistic son. Orks love to fight? They're just messing with us, they enjoy nothing more than quite nights with a cup of tea and their favourite slippers.

 Kain wrote:
Especially since the Chaos Gods were born from Humans and Eldar? Who as I recall, exist entirely in this galaxy.

The origin doesn't mean the end though. You were maybe born in a certain hospital, but I assume that you're not limited to that hospital.

 Kain wrote:
And if your evidence is so conclusive, why is Chaos lagging so far behind in the polls?

People don't know? Or maybe they do and just have different opinions? Argumentum ad populum is any case.

The difference is that all "evidence" of Chaos having a multigalactic presence happens entirely within a select few black library novels and can thus be dismissed more lightly. Which we can almost certainly do as Chaos is known to lie.

Meanwhile direct evidence from studio sources says that the Tyranids have entirely devoured multiple galaxies.

Addittionally, the warp is said to be extremely calm, almost entirely silent in fact, outside where it corresponds to the milky way galaxy.

It's devoid of life and thus devoid of all contributions to the warp, leaving just a blank slate of nothing.

And the reason why I brought it up is that you speak as if your evidence is conclusive, when it's most certainly not.

Chaos is also very much reliant on it's mortal followers, who are less numerous, less well armed, and generally speaking less well trained than their loyalist counterparts, further hampered by Chaos' immensely poor industrial base compared to the Imperium that makes a long term war of attrition with the Imperium suicidal for the forces from the eye of terror.

Without it's mortal followers, the Daemons can do nothing but sit and watch if something came in and swept all life from the galaxy to leave it a silent void.

It's said outside of Black Library novels, in the daemon codex for instance, that Chaos operates beyond just the galaxy. Even if it didn't then Black Library novels are considered canon too.
Also where is it said that the warp is calm? I know it used to be, but that doesn't really say much about how it is now, and it didn't stop the Old Ones from building a webway through to other galaxies with it. There aren't too many people living between the stars, but the warp isn't calm there.
Even if there is a calmness to it, that doesn't mean that Daemons could not travel through it. Chaos isn't bound by space or time as we know it.

I don't think I speak as if my evidence is any more conclusive than anyone else in the thread, we were asked for our opinions and I'm just giving mine and have ended up explaining why I have them.

Maybe the daemons could do nothing if the galaxy was swept of all mortal life, and maybe no one else could do anything if the warp spills out and consumes the galaxy. I just believe the latter is more likely than the former, as it's said to happen when the Emperor dies, and he just so happens to be in the process of doing that.

Animus wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Is any of this corroborated by anything and not easily dismissed as simple narrative hyperbole or the Chaos gods screwing with someone?

Is anything ever? Once you start to ignore bits just because you don't like them then the integrity of the setting crumbles. Tyranids eating galaxies? Nah, didn't happen, some of the bugs tried to eat my bagel, but I squashed them right good. Empire of a million worlds? Actually there's just one, the rest is a day dream of the "Emperor's" autistic son. Orks love to fight? They're just messing with us, they enjoy nothing more than quite nights with a cup of tea and their favourite slippers.

 Kain wrote:
Especially since the Chaos Gods were born from Humans and Eldar? Who as I recall, exist entirely in this galaxy.

The origin doesn't mean the end though. You were maybe born in a certain hospital, but I assume that you're not limited to that hospital.

 Kain wrote:
And if your evidence is so conclusive, why is Chaos lagging so far behind in the polls?

People don't know? Or maybe they do and just have different opinions? Argumentum ad populum is any case.

The difference is that all "evidence" of Chaos having a multigalactic presence happens entirely within a select few black library novels and can thus be dismissed more lightly. Which we can almost certainly do as Chaos is known to lie.

Meanwhile direct evidence from studio sources says that the Tyranids have entirely devoured multiple galaxies.

Addittionally, the warp is said to be extremely calm, almost entirely silent in fact, outside where it corresponds to the milky way galaxy.

It's devoid of life and thus devoid of all contributions to the warp, leaving just a blank slate of nothing.

And the reason why I brought it up is that you speak as if your evidence is conclusive, when it's most certainly not.

Chaos is also very much reliant on it's mortal followers, who are less numerous, less well armed, and generally speaking less well trained than their loyalist counterparts, further hampered by Chaos' immensely poor industrial base compared to the Imperium that makes a long term war of attrition with the Imperium suicidal for the forces from the eye of terror.

Without it's mortal followers, the Daemons can do nothing but sit and watch if something came in and swept all life from the galaxy to leave it a silent void.

It's said outside of Black Library novels, in the daemon codex for instance, that Chaos operates beyond just the galaxy. Even if it didn't then Black Library novels are considered canon too.
Also where is it said that the warp is calm? I know it used to be, but that doesn't really say much about how it is now, and it didn't stop the Old Ones from building a webway through to other galaxies with it. There aren't too many people living between the stars, but the warp isn't calm there.
Even if there is a calmness to it, that doesn't mean that Daemons could not travel through it. Chaos isn't bound by space or time as we know it.

I don't think I speak as if my evidence is any more conclusive than anyone else in the thread, we were asked for our opinions and I'm just giving mine and have ended up explaining why I have them.

Maybe the daemons could do nothing if the galaxy was swept of all mortal life, and maybe no one else could do anything if the warp spills out and consumes the galaxy. I just believe the latter is more likely than the former, as it's said to happen when the Emperor dies, and he just so happens to be in the process of doing that.

The Emperor is a perpetual and is implied to be able to regenerate like Wolverine if unplugged.

Yeahhhh.

And given the path the Tyranids have taken, virtually every galaxy near the milky way has been eaten, given that they're coming in from virtually every direction.

And what webway channels out the milky way? The Eldar certainly have never taken any, and they're the only ones who regularly use the webway anymore. If they could leave the galaxy, they almost certainly would have and left the humans to their fate.

In any case, the fact that Chaos is so reliant on it's mortal followers, who are as a whole, inferior to the Imperium numerically, strategically, and industrially, makes me dubious that Chaos can win.

And whomever said everyone is entitled to their opinion some centuries back is an idiot.

 Kain wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Kain wrote:

The difference is that all "evidence" of Chaos having a multigalactic presence happens entirely within a select few black library novels and can thus be dismissed more lightly. Which we can almost certainly do as Chaos is known to lie.

Chaos is multigalactic and multidimensional.

This has been background since the Realm of Chaos books, Slaves and L&D, 20 years ago. It was compounded in the Liber Chaotica books some time later and has been a continuing theme ever since.

Multidimensional, but not multigalactic in any conclusive materials I've read or been presented with that cannot be confirmed as not being the lies of gods and daemons who are very well known for being liars.

As for multidimensional, it's is like saying the Combine from half-life could beat the Xeelee because the Combine is in multiple universe while the Xeelee with their "piano wire a galaxy in half" supertech are primarily existent in only one.

Multidimensional and multigalactic, both for a long time in the background, but always in using fairly open terminology a'la 'worshipped on a billion billion worlds, across time and space' etc etc, specifically designed to not pin chaos down because as is always said, it's chaos and there isn't a way to produce conclusive materials for it by it's definition.

As to it's threat, chaos is intended to be the biggest of the big bads, the design team intentionally shifted the threat priority down on both the necrons and the tyranids recently to bring chaos back from limping about in 3rd place in the trinity as it had been for most of 4th into 5th ed, the Tyranids found themselves now subject to weakness and death if their newly awakened hypermetabolism isn't satiated swiftly, also becoming very bad at protracted campaigns against dug in resistance, suffering burn out. The revised Necrons were 'humanized' with personalities (instantly less spooky) and split into numerous warring factions, whilst the star gods were reduced to pokemon ball-housed pets to be released during war or at parties when everyone's drunk too much WD40 and decided it's time to laugh at the deceiver's silly hat again...

Nids still have it for me, as things stand, but with the new weaknesses, far less than they did, and my money would still be on an ork awakening anyway, given time. It's been hinted and alluded to many times that that's what's waiting for the species and that then it's game over for the rest of the galaxy once that occurs.




Then again, we also have the 'possible others' that the tyranids are fleeing from, which would be a whole other level of terror and awe.

The Emperor certainly didn't regenerate like wolverine after Horus had messed him up.
Perpetuals are a pretty new concept to the universe, so I'd suggest we wait and see how their limitations pan out in the HH series, I think they've already introduced something that's supposed to kill them permanently.

Nids could have eaten every galaxy around the milky way, or they could just be circling it, but I don't think it really matters specifically which galaxies they've eaten.

The Eldar don't use the intergalactic tunnels because the paths were sundered during the War in Heaven, and became infested with warp critters. So says the old Necron codex at least.

Chaos has their game plan just like everyone else, I just think it sounds like the winner. Emperor dies, rocks fall. If Abby can help speed that up so much the better.

Animus wrote:
The Emperor certainly didn't regenerate like wolverine after Horus had messed him up.
Perpetuals are a pretty new concept to the universe, so I'd suggest we wait and see how their limitations pan out in the HH series, I think they've already introduced something that's supposed to kill them permanently.

Nids could have eaten every galaxy around the milky way, or they could just be circling it, but I don't think it really matters specifically which galaxies they've eaten.

The Eldar don't use the intergalactic tunnels because the paths were sundered during the War in Heaven, and became infested with warp critters. So says the old Necron codex at least.

Chaos has their game plan just like everyone else, I just think it sounds like the winner. Emperor dies, rocks fall. If Abby can help speed that up so much the better.

Firstly, stop using smileys everywhere, it gets very irksome to my eyes in a short frame of time.

In any case, the Emperor's possible rebirth has been an element since the beginning, I think him being a perpetual is just part of the slow slide to bring the idea of his resurrection back onto the table.

And if the Emperor revives, what does Chaos do then? Because the Emperor is certainly not going to be bothered in the slightest by Abaddon. Indeed, in a fight, the Emperor would probably just snap Drach'nyen over his knee and pulp Ezekyel in a single punch.

Not to mention that Abaddon's fleet is smaller than what was marshalled out to fight the Necrons in a single sector in the fall of Orpheus and smaller than Gazghkull's armada at Armageddon.

Abaddon failing is a matter of time as his ships get plinked off, and he's already confirmed to have suffered a serious setback in the naval segment.

Once Abaddon's crusade is forced to withdraw again for want of ships, Chaos returns to the status quo, which it has shown desire to change (Chaos clearly wants everyone to worship it and worship it now, but given that this has not happened we can dismiss any claims of their omnipotence out of hand) which gets increasingly bad as the rest of the Necrons awaken and inflict Orpheus level damage on the Imperium for each major dynasty, the Tau continue to get stronger, and the Tyranids arrive in numbers so thick that they have more hive ships than the Imperium has lasguns.

Chaos is only as strong as it's mortal followers, and it's mortal followers run a broken down second rate imperium that's got maybe 1% of the man power, military might, or industrial capacity.

 Kain wrote:

Chaos is only as strong as it's mortal followers, and it's mortal followers run a broken down second rate imperium that's got maybe 1% of the man power, military might, or industrial capacity.

No, you're quite wrong there.

Chaos gods feed on everything, everywhere, that fall into their portfolio.

When an ork nob stares at the back of his warboss and ponders taking him down, Tzeentch feeds, when an imperial citizen glances furtively at a coworker and craves them despite their own spouse waiting at home, Slaanesh draws energy, when two drunk kroot resort to fighting over cards, khorne is replenished.

Chaos draws energy from it's gods and it's gods draw energy from across the dimensions.

 Kain wrote:

Firstly, stop using smileys everywhere, it gets very irksome to my eyes in a short frame of time.

In any case, the Emperor's possible rebirth has been an element since the beginning, I think him being a perpetual is just part of the slow slide to bring the idea of his resurrection back onto the table.

And if the Emperor revives, what does Chaos do then? Because the Emperor is certainly not going to be bothered in the slightest by Abaddon. Indeed, in a fight, the Emperor would probably just snap Drach'nyen over his knee and pulp Ezekyel in a single punch.

Not to mention that Abaddon's fleet is smaller than what was marshalled out to fight the Necrons in a single sector in the fall of Orpheus and smaller than Gazghkull's armada at Armageddon.

Abaddon failing is a matter of time as his ships get plinked off, and he's already confirmed to have suffered a serious setback in the naval segment.

Once Abaddon's crusade is forced to withdraw again for want of ships, Chaos returns to the status quo, which it has shown desire to change (Chaos clearly wants everyone to worship it and worship it now, but given that this has not happened we can dismiss any claims of their omnipotence out of hand) which gets increasingly bad as the rest of the Necrons awaken and inflict Orpheus level damage on the Imperium for each major dynasty, the Tau continue to get stronger, and the Tyranids arrive in numbers so thick that they have more hive ships than the Imperium has lasguns.

Chaos is only as strong as it's mortal followers, and it's mortal followers run a broken down second rate imperium that's got maybe 1% of the man power, military might, or industrial capacity.

Well maybe I don't like your avatar, but we'll use things as we see fit.

The Emperor's rebirth is possible, though it was originally a crapshoot with the sacrifice of the Sensei Knights at the moment of his death, so it doesn't mean it's supposed to be likely, and this thread is about who is most likely conquer the galaxy in our opinions.

Chaos is stronger than its mortal followers, their purpose is really just to invite Chaos in, which is why Abby plans to bring the Eye of Terror and all the daemon nasties with him on his march to Terra.

Chaos' victory in the milky way relies on the Emperor dying, as far as we know he's doing that all by himself and the Golden Throne is failing. In the Carnac campaign the Eldar forsee the Necron dynasties toppling the Imperium and in doing so Chaos becomes unopposed and the Rhana Dandra begins.

Hell, the rule book even calls Chaos the greatest threat
It's a threat not just to life in the galaxy but the very fabric of the galaxy itself.

 Kain wrote:

You mean like how they made the Emperor stop existing by waving their hands right?

The Emperor was a demi-god with a master plan to destroy Chaos entirely and bring humanity into a golden age utopia. He is now a skeleton enthroned on a chair and barely holds the power necessary to keep humanity alive while it's locked in ever-lasting war, which strengthens and sustains chaos every day.

Or how they totally mind control everyone to follow their principles right?

Nearly every single thing the sentient races in the Galaxy do empowers one of the Chaos Gods.

Or how they totally destroyed the Necrons and their warp blocking tech right?

Necrons have never come close to threatening Chaos existence, and their Warp blocking tech is imperfect, immobile and has a precedence for being defeated by daemonic overload. Last time there was a documented battle between daemons and necrons, it ended with an entire tomb world being destroyed by a random Daemon Prince and his minions.

Or how there is *totally* conclusive evidence about Chaos existing outside the galaxy right?

wat

Or how your proof is so conclusive that Chaos is clearly leading in the polls right?

wat

I'm going to have to go Zoats here...definitely Zoats.

 dementedwombat wrote:
I'm going to have to go Zoats here...definitely Zoats.

Pfffft...

The last zoat shall cry out 'Look! We won!' before the cunning Catachan Brain leaf plays it's trump card and drifts slowly over on the breeze and enslaves it...


BRAINLEAF WINS!!

You know it's a badass faction when people who don't even play Tyranids are like "Yeah, dude. They're going to eat everything."

Well the whole who will conquer thing all revolves around the word "if".

If this happens then they will win.

If the orks unite (odds are so damn small they may as well not exist).

If the Tyranids are not being chased, but just moving on.

If the Emperor is reborn/awakens/any other good plot ending happens.

If the the Tau create a Win Button.

If the necron all wake up?

etc.

Personally, I just see chaos losing in the end if anyone wins. Unless they just enslave enough worlds to keep them going, and continue their own private wars forever.

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
Well the whole who will conquer thing all revolves around the word "if".

If this happens then they will win.

If the orks unite (odds are so damn small they may as well not exist).

If the Tyranids are not being chased, but just moving on.

If the Emperor is reborn/awakens/any other good plot ending happens.

If the the Tau create a Win Button.

If the necron all wake up?

etc.

Personally, I just see chaos losing in the end if anyone wins. Unless they just enslave enough worlds to keep them going, and continue their own private wars forever.

Well the OP did ask "most likely" so it's basically a calculation of strength while all else held equal; the Greenskins has been described to be capable of galactic domination should they unite, but their social structure isn't built upon organization, but rather on tribal hierarchy, nomadic migration, slavery, and raiding, I really can't see them ever control the galaxy in its entirety.

If the emperor is reborn, the Imperium of Men will be undone; the foolish masses, as well as the more or less corrupted Ecclesiarchy, and a majority of the Inquisitors will not be able recognize the Emperor and thus forcing him to rage another Great Crusade that will surely break the current Status Quo.

A number of the Necron Dynasties have been lost during their long slumber as their metallic bodies succumb to rust and corrosion. As they cannot pro-create anymore, I'd say they won't be able to craft an empire any larger than the Acient Eldar Empire.

Tau may succeed.. given that they last for another millennium or so. There's a reason why Chaos cares little for the Tau: their warp registers are such insignificant that the Gods gains little from their souls (if they even have souls... hayoooh!) that the Slaves of Chaos will probably gain little favors from their patrons by killing the Taus.

The Tyranids, on the other hand, will probably be the only force having both the strength and the will to "Devour" the galaxy... but since they are also nomadic as the Greenskins, I guess they also lack the stomach for galactic domination... this really make me rethink my original vote for them: should they succeed in their intention to devour every living been and get to the astronomican and do whatever it is that they want to do, the Necrons will be the sole surviving sentient indigenous to the Milky Way... so my vote should have gone to the Necrons? Oh heke I give up,,,

It's a tough call that ultimately depends on who wants it more.

I think the Nids will eat everything and move on. Meanwhile the crons will just sit it out and wait. Like they did with the destroyer plague.

How would tau conquer when they can't use the warp?That would be like trying to cross America on a scooter really.
Never chaos.If DOW is right and cultists are literally KAY-OS...
Eldarz?Dey just get dere fire guy to die.Dats all dey do.
Spikey Elderz:All dey do is poke people.
Nids:der Just runnin from sly marbo...

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
Well the whole who will conquer thing all revolves around the word "if".

If this happens then they will win.

If the orks unite (odds are so damn small they may as well not exist).

Its more likely than you think. The Beast almost did it a few thousand years ago (but not much information on him in the current lore besides a few mentions in the timeline). On Armageddon, Ghaz rallys orks and whole ork tribes from all over the galaxy, all wanting to get in on the fight. More arrive every day, drawn to the WAAAGH energy. I dont think Ghazzy rallying enough orks to seriously pose a threat to the galaxy is outside of the realm of possibility, considering how smart he is (for an ork anyway).

I am disturbed by the lack of understanding going on here.

Chaos is the ONLY force that can truly conquer the galaxy, and here is why.

I'll start with Tyranids since they probably pose one of the bigger threats to Chaos, and I say this because of Shadow on the Warp. I don't know the full extent of Tyranid interaction with Chaos, however it seems highly unlikely that they could enter Warp Space without being subjected to it's Law and Rule. And this goes for every race out there, which is why Chaos can never be truly defeated. In fact, I'll argue that it is THE oldest force in the Universe. Older than the C'Tan. Older than the Ancients. Even the Eldar acknowledge this.

But here is the best reason why the Tyranids cannot conquer the universe. No swarm species can survive on its own indefinitely. This is why they continue to feed and consume. Unfortunately for the Tyranids, if they ever did "conqueror the universe" they would die out due to their own short-comings and this is true of every swarm species that has ever existed. Their numbers swell, they eat everything, food supplies waste, the swarm cannibalizes itself, the numbers shrink, food supplies return, the cycle restarts itself. Except in the form of complete conquest, with the Tyranids, there will be nothing to regenerate for them to eat. So the Tyranids would ultimately kill themselves.

Orks: They are already the most widespread species in the universe, however they will never "conquer" it, simply because they enjoy fighting too much and are too divided for that kind of centralized ownership. If they "conquered" there would be nothing left to fight. They certainly have numbers, but when stacked against the Powers of Chaos, they are dust in the wind. Hell, even Khorne has enslaved Orkz to his dominion. If he can do that, then the Orkz cannot be conquerers.

Tau: They could be the inheritors of the universe, but them being so young to not even be able to perceive the omnipotent threat of Chaos will see their civilization burn, just as the Imperium of Man burned during the Horus Heresy before, the Fall of the Eldar before that, and the Age of Strife before that. History repeats itself and it is Tzeentch who has seen to it. +__+

Eldar: Are already dead. They just don't know it yet.

D-Eldar: The same, except worse: They have already been conquered by Chaos. Like the Eldar, they just don't know it yet.

Necrons: Are also dead and awaking to a time that is no longer theirs. Should they attempt to reconquest, they would only serve the forces of Chaos, lending to their ultimate destruction at the hands of the Ruinous Powers and their Great Game, as was likely their fate before.

The Imperium of Man: Is a corpse being picked at by carrion birds. They had conquered the galaxy as much as Chaos let them believe they had. As suggested, when the Warp Storms cut Terra off from it's dominion, those planets hit hardest were tainted and waiting for the return of their favored puppets. As such, it seems evident per items like the Liber Malefact, that the End of the Imperium has been foretold and is an inevitability. The 40k Universe, I believe, is that End taken form.

And really, I think that's how it should go. Honestly, I think the story would be infinitely better if Terra were swallowed by the Crimson Path. It would make other human factions like the Space Wolves far more interesting, seeing as how their planet may survive and they are isolated and left to their own devices. In a way, this level of oppression could really ratchet up the "good guy" angle of Man in a big way, but then we're talking about 50k at that point.


So here is where I ultimately stand on this: Chaos is the only force that can win. It is the only force that is unaccessible, except to forces of Chaos, and those that do gain (temporary) access, are torn apart by the very nature of the Warp. It is timeless, yet eternal. It has always existed, and yet never has. The Chaos Gods have always been here, and their realm is the only one that seems truly separate, giving them a true Divinity.

I feel a little like a broken record because I've posted similar discussions on a number of posts already, however it still stands.

When we're talking about "Gods" in the Universe, all other Gods affect Real Space directly EXCEPT the Chaos Gods. Ex: The Nightbringer can exist in Real Space (albeit temporarily it seems). Nurgle cannot, in any form. This is why he has Lesser Daemons that do his bidding, because Nurgle IS the Warp as much as any of the other Ruinous Powers.

For Nurgle to manifest in Real Space, he would have to bring his entire dominion with him for what is the Manse or the Garden is also Nurgle.

And this brings up an important point about Conquest: The Chaos Powers really are out for Conquest in that if they breach Real Space, then the Warp will flow with it, Real Space will become Warp Space, and the Ruinous Powers will truly be free. This is their ultimate goal, as played out in the Warp through their Great Game.

If ya'll haven't read the Daemons Codex yet, do it. It is a phenomenal read.

And about forces like the Necrons, Tau and Tyranid cutting off the Life Essence of Chaos, even when the Warp is Calm, they still Exist, and these fonts from which the Ruinous Powers draw strength are omnipresent in races outside of just man or Eldar. Ex: The Warrior Tribes of Davin, mutant and all, fed Chaos.

So unless we're talking about a true level of conquest, to the level of which Warpsmiths conspire to turn reality into a living daemon engine, it is impossible to rob the Ruinous Powers of strength. Even attempting to massacre Mankind would only fuel them further. Even the complete genocide of feeling, Warp Ready sentience, would still feed the Ruinous Powers, namely Nurgle who seeks to rid the galaxy of all life as it is, in place of Pox and Plague.


Chaos is the only race that not only has the means and plans to conquer the universe, but also the realistic power to do so. Comparing Chaos to Tyranids, as it was suggested that the Tyranid threat already emerges from another conquered Galaxy/Universe/w/e, then it must be said that so does Chaos and that their domain, while a mirror reflection of reality, must then be far more vast than that of Real Space Tyranid Domain.

Simply put, the fact that the Scale of Chaos cannot realistically be understood, is what certainty there is that Chaos WILL win this war.

I've got points scattered all over the place that better illustrate what I've written here, if anyone is interested. Just hit me up and I'll light the way. +__+


Edit: Because I started this a while ago, and more info has been posted since I started, in regards to Chaos, you are assuming the definition of Chaos Conquest is "enslavement and war." It's not. Chaos is Chaos. It exists for itself and no other reason. It doesn't need sustenance to keep going, just ritual enacted again and again. If Chaos needed real sustanence, then the Great Game in the Warp would have ended a long time ago when they exhausted their resources. Since there are no real resources (except Souls and the emotions, dreams, and desires of Mortals) for Chaos to expend, it is inherently Eternal.

Unless you could literally blast the very fabric of the Warp from Existence, which would in turn kill every living thing in Real Space, as well as probably completely unravel the universe itself, you cannot defeat Chaos. This is why the Imperium is destined to fall, with or without the Emperor. Unless all of the Imperium killed itself, Chaos would still exist and even then, the whole of the Imperium commiting suicide would just make Nurgle even happier. We're also looking at Chaos and tying it directly to Man, which its not. It bleeds across races and species of all kinds.

Let's put it this way too: Which races have already fallen to Chaos?
Man (obviously)
Ork (Daemonkilla'z Waaagh fights on the Osseus Peak in Khorne's domain for all eternity)
Eldar (Slaanesh ate the Eldar for breakfast and then there is the D-Eldar who are twisted by the Warp)
Tyranid (Skulls for the Skull Throne)
Tau (For their neglect of the Blood Tithe, their numbers have felt Chaos)

So that just leaves the Necron? I'm sure I'm missing some groups, but hopefully that helps illuminate better.

I think the decedents of the old ones would be able to. (Orks and eldar). If the tyranids ran into a ork world I think they could unit the Orks and have enough to push back the nids. (another theory I had with someone at my flgs was if the tyranids went into the eye of terror). The eldar would eventually get the s### together and kill the necrons like they were supposed to. The aftermath would essentially leave both sides practically dead. Slaneesh wants to capitalize on this and attacks the eldar. Killing enough eldar that go into the infinity circuit creating the god of rebirth which kills Slaneesh and rebirths the eldar race. The Orks after pushing back the tyranids continue there waagh (eldar guidance) towards terra. They crash trough and kill the emperor. The emperor turns into the god he was supposed to and kills the evil tzeech, nurgle, and khorne. The living primarchs return because of the death of chaos (minus khan he is still in webway). The disagreements between the chapters lead to a fraction on what to do with the chaos and the Orks. The Orks continue to kill while the successor chapters fight as the primarch decide. Eventually leman Russ and the lion start murdering the old chaos marine and slaves. The "good" primarchs attack them denouncing them as traitors. The infighting in the humans and Orks severely weakens the humans. The dark eldar begin to emerge from the webway with Slaneesh gone. Khan emerges from the webway finally and joins along with leman Russ and kill off the remainder of the old chaos and the ultramarine allies. The tau realize what is going on and try's to capitalize on this and attack the big hive cities. The imperial guard are helpless and die without the marines help. The non primarch legions are barely alive now because of the massive Ork invasion still grinding. The eldar are still chilling cunningly turning people in the right direction. Another tyranid attacks and the Orks turn toward them again. The eldar get the dark eldar with them and smash the tau and kill everything. The outer human planets fall before anyone even knows what's happening due to the inability to warp travel (no emperor) and the blistering speed of the dark eldar. The eldar swoop in and finish off the rest of the imperial guard and marines. The eldar keep the "known galaxy" as they trick the Orks to go to the out fringes and defend against tyranids. (dark eldar go back to the webway).

It's a lot of what ifs but it's all decently possible.

TheRedWingArmada wrote:
I am disturbed by the lack of understanding going on here.

Chaos is the ONLY force that can truly conquer the galaxy, and here is why.

I'll start with Tyranids since they probably pose one of the bigger threats to Chaos, and I say this because of Shadow on the Warp. I don't know the full extent of Tyranid interaction with Chaos, however it seems highly unlikely that they could enter Warp Space without being subjected to it's Law and Rule. And this goes for every race out there, which is why Chaos can never be truly defeated. In fact, I'll argue that it is THE oldest force in the Universe. Older than the C'Tan. Older than the Ancients. Even the Eldar acknowledge this.

But here is the best reason why the Tyranids cannot conquer the universe. No swarm species can survive on its own indefinitely. This is why they continue to feed and consume. Unfortunately for the Tyranids, if they ever did "conqueror the universe" they would die out due to their own short-comings and this is true of every swarm species that has ever existed. Their numbers swell, they eat everything, food supplies waste, the swarm cannibalizes itself, the numbers shrink, food supplies return, the cycle restarts itself. Except in the form of complete conquest, with the Tyranids, there will be nothing to regenerate for them to eat. So the Tyranids would ultimately kill themselves.

First point is still out for the jury. I don't believe there's any evidence to suggest Tyranids are effected or 'immune' to Chaos?

If there is nothing left for the Tyranids to eat, there is also nothing left to feed Chaos and support its existance, Chaos would starve along with the nids no?


Personally I wouldn't mind Chaos Nids

I'm going with nids simply because all the do is consume worlds. There is no political BS to get in there way.

I figured it out. None of the options in the poll is correct. As far as we know, the Tyranids might be running from an even bigger predator. That is why they are in our galaxy. What nobody has realised, is they are running from something. The Tyranids are only stopping for lunch until they move on. They'll harvest a few million planets and leave. What comes next is even scarier. The things chasing them are what will take over the galaxy. They have already taken over some of our neighboring galaxies. They are

EmperorsChosen wrote:
Which faction is the most likely to conquer the galaxy in your opinion, and why?

Dark Eldar have already conquered the galaxy. They are just giving other species rental rights.

I feel 'umies will die off the first simply because they hate all factions and they fight with them the most(especially orks).

I feel orks aren't here for conquering even in their creation they were meant simply for fighting.

Since I am still a newbie in 40k I don't really know the rest of the armies well but I think chaos is sure to conquer for there is no end and the chaos gods will just make more daemons.

I would have to say necrons. While they are not as strong as they used to be, still have more than enough numbers to reconquer the galaxy and they are immune to the effects of both tyranids and chaos. They have the technology aswell to go along with the numbers and can simply rebuild bodies and create more necrons if they need to. But i think their true strength is that they can simply wait another 60 million years if they have to and wait for the future to plan out.

TheRedWingArmada wrote:

But here is the best reason why the Tyranids cannot conquer the universe. No swarm species can survive on its own indefinitely. This is why they continue to feed and consume. Unfortunately for the Tyranids, if they ever did "conqueror the universe" they would die out due to their own short-comings and this is true of every swarm species that has ever existed. Their numbers swell, they eat everything, food supplies waste, the swarm cannibalizes itself, the numbers shrink, food supplies return, the cycle restarts itself. Except in the form of complete conquest, with the Tyranids, there will be nothing to regenerate for them to eat. So the Tyranids would ultimately kill themselves.

I don't find this argument very convincing, because it would seem to apply equally to all the factions, and, moreover, to the very nature of physical reality.

Like, the universe only has a finite amount of energy in it, right? And that energy is just being mixed about and recombined and reappropriated, but is always waning, and will eventually be exhausted. So if you want to get technical, nobody is ever going to conquer the universe, because everybody is gonna die and everything is going to end. Emptiness will rule. Chaos / "magic" throws a bit of a wrench into the works of this particular fictional universe, but not an insurmountable one, since it seemingly depends 1:1 on the material world for its own influence.

The scale/timeline necessary for the Tyranids to reach max capacity and actually manage to eat everything would be insanely lengthy, as would the subsequent phase of cannibalism. If they got to that point they would have effectively conquered the universe, regardless of whether or not they eventually undo that achievement. We're not trying to determine the perpetual master of the universe here, because it's impossible for any faction to ever be that.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

As to it's threat, chaos is intended to be the biggest of the big bads, the design team intentionally shifted the threat priority down on both the necrons and the tyranids recently to bring chaos back from limping about in 3rd place in the trinity as it had been for most of 4th into 5th ed, the Tyranids found themselves now subject to weakness and death if their newly awakened hypermetabolism isn't satiated swiftly, also becoming very bad at protracted campaigns against dug in resistance, suffering burn out. The revised Necrons were 'humanized' with personalities (instantly less spooky) and split into numerous warring factions, whilst the star gods were reduced to pokemon ball-housed pets to be released during war or at parties when everyone's drunk too much WD40 and decided it's time to laugh at the deceiver's silly hat again...

This is important, though. I'd be really surprised if the new nid book didn't draw them back even further, probably by emphasizing the infighting/competition that can happen between different Hive Fleets or tendrils. Maybe competing "personas" within the Hive Mind. The thing that makes the Tyranids the only real contender for this crown is their absolute independence and horrifying unity, and eroding that would bring them into the less scary category that the Orks, Orcs and Skaven currently occupy elsewhere in Warhammer lore; massive numbers, violent might, but an inability to put the whole thing together across the span of time necessary to do so.

Thing is, when Tyranid Hive Fleets fight each other you end up with one Hive Fleet about as big as both Fleets combined, with the best tactics and genetics of each.

I would say tau because of there rapid expansion and their supreme grasp of knowledge BUT there small numbers and inability to build or even comprehend a warp drive would mean it would take far to long

My vote goes for tyranids because all they do is consume the galaxy

 Happyjew wrote:
I figured it out. None of the options in the poll is correct. As far as we know, the Tyranids might be running from an even bigger predator. That is why they are in our galaxy. What nobody has realised, is they are running from something. The Tyranids are only stopping for lunch until they move on. They'll harvest a few million planets and leave. What comes next is even scarier. The things chasing them are what will take over the galaxy. They have already taken over some of our neighboring galaxies. They are

Spoiler:

The Squats.

No, for a greater menace will be the end of existence, one created by humanity itself:

dude, stop with that picture lol, I will learn to not look at your spoilers eventually.

 raiden wrote:
dude, stop with that picture lol, I will learn to not look at your spoilers eventually.

It's not my fault!

I still think it would be these guys:

not looking!

 raiden wrote:
not looking!

I promise. It is not what you think it is.

Of course not. Would this orkmoticon lie to you?

Nidsnik Boreork wrote:
Of course not. Would this orkmoticon lie to you?

No, but this one would.

I don't have my books in front of me this time, but it is suggested that even when that which has stirred the the Warp to its current broil does not exist, the Warp still does but is calm, waiting for the next prescient race to feed the lurking masses. +__+

 Happyjew wrote:

 raiden wrote:
not looking!

I promise. It is not what you think it is.

Joking aside, I can see the orks taking over anyway - I know its not likely, but its possible. This is a collection of the most fearsome ork models in existence - the last is particularly terrifying. Why does he look so happy? Whats he going to do with the implement he's holding?

 PredaKhaine wrote:

Spoiler:

Exactly what procedure is that second one about to carry out?

I dunno, those Goblin Cheerleaders are kinda cute.

 PredaKhaine wrote:
I voted Eldar. Because when the dust settles after the final battle, 100 baneblades will explode out of every carnifex..and then get sucked through a warp rift that Eldrad got a primitive race to create eons ago.
Just as planned.

This. lol

extremefreak17 wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:
I voted Eldar. Because when the dust settles after the final battle, 100 baneblades will explode out of every carnifex..and then get sucked through a warp rift that Eldrad got a primitive race to create eons ago.
Just as planned.

This. lol

Yeah, but Eldrad got his Avatar killed by Fulgrim once upon a time. So how great could his prescience really be?

Side note: Here is a great reason why the Chaos Daemons are the only plausible answer for complete domination: Per their Codex, they are the only force in the universe that has always existed and never existed simultaneously. Even with the Warp is Calm, they still Exist. And by that virtue, I would say that the universe is already claimed, even if the Warp doesn't yet exist in Real Space. Real Space is still controlled by the Warp.

It's been mentioned before, but Tyranids don't conquer (they consume), and Orks only "hold" land because they don't have a good scrap going on at the moment. So they're kinda out of the running.
Chaos can't REALLY win either; if the known verse turns into one big Eye of Terror then MAYBE, but even then given the level of inter-faction conflict I dunno if I'd call that conquering. If you've conquered something I'd imagine you need at least a short period of peace to call it conquered good and proper. Whichever sub-faction owned a planet would then get shoved off said planet by their rival.
The IoM could win, but it would take the Emperor stepping off the Golden Throne to actually seal the deal (or some other massive Deus Ex Machina).
Necrons: Maybe, it's not like they don't have enough time on their hands to do it. But, on the other hand, they do have the limitation of the Flayed disease (it's shown that it is transmittable and permanent), so they may just turn into mechanical Tyranids; killing stuff for the sake of new hats.
Eldar/Dark Eldar: Not enough numbers. If we narrowed the scope maybe, but as is they just can't hold that much space.
Yeah, Tau have the best shot all in all.

Tyranid domination is inevitable.

Given time, we will all get nommed.

In my opinion, the most realistic possibility would be the Necrons once the Tyranids have killed everything else and moved on.

Of course, this being a stagnant work of fiction, I predict that the fading Imperium will remain on top until the end of time.

TheRedWingArmada wrote:

extremefreak17 wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:
I voted Eldar. Because when the dust settles after the final battle, 100 baneblades will explode out of every carnifex..and then get sucked through a warp rift that Eldrad got a primitive race to create eons ago.
Just as planned.

This. lol

Yeah, but Eldrad got his Avatar killed by Fulgrim once upon a time. So how great could his prescience really be?

Side note: Here is a great reason why the Chaos Daemons are the only plausible answer for complete domination: Per their Codex, they are the only force in the universe that has always existed and never existed simultaneously. Even with the Warp is Calm, they still Exist. And by that virtue, I would say that the universe is already claimed, even if the Warp doesn't yet exist in Real Space. Real Space is still controlled by the Warp.

lol - I was responding to the previous poster when I wrote that - that post basically said "CREEED!" so I responded in kind

Besides, the Eldar are
A)Unable to win - in the fluff, one guardian's life is worth 10 gajillion human ones (if you're an eldar) we have all the best guns, the best psykers etc - but as soon as the eldar make it into a book we lose because marines. They're the heroes we're reading about, so the Eldar tend to either be a bit moustache twirling or a helper species. And Dark Eldar do the twirling a whole lot better.
B)Humanities last hope. The Eldar are making a new god Ynnead (the god of buffering - thanks to whoever on here said that )we can only hope he destroys slaanesh before Lucius tries to kill the Swarmlord. Otherwise, Swarmy will nom Lucius down like a dry twix and then the ultimate troll power comes into play and Swarmy starts turning into Lucius. As soon as Swarmy is more Lucius than Swarmy and technically dead , the hive mind will re-upload Swarmy and absorb Lucius too...then we get slaanesh tyranids and the universe explodes in TMT*

*too much tentacle.

I thought you needed to feel some sort of pride at killing Lucius in order to turn into him? I doubt the Swarmlord is capable of feeling pride, as pride is a weakness that the Hive Mind wouldn't have let it have.

Its got to be nids, even though im an imperial player, nids are amazing.. if I wasnt so busy building my Ultramarines 4th comapny, i'd collect nids omnomnomnomnom

Tau due to ally and assimilation of other factions, don't forget that the Eldar are on the way out and are growing more and more friendly with the Tau, I think that as the last of the Eldar start to die out that they will either pass on their technology and such to the tau, or the Tau will offer then protection and a place in the empire in exchange for the technology. Just my two cents.

Dark Eldar actually do have a chance of conquering the galaxy if you think about it.


Lets say Tyranids devour most biological major factions. Only Necrons are left.

During all that time, Dark Eldar are perfectly safe in their little hidden city, raising their numbers and military equipment.

Chaos gods are crippled because the vast majority of emotions that fed them is gone (Humanity and Eldar.)


Tyranids go for another galaxy and that leaves only Dark Eldar and Necrons as the two remaining major factions.

Now, DE just have to use all their military they raised while Nids were eating stuff and defeat the Necrons.
The odds that DE win vs. Necrons is slim, but they do have a chance.


That's just my humble opinion.

Necrons can enter the Webway.

No one the forces of chaos call it the eternal/long war for a reason.

 shinros wrote:
No one the forces of chaos call it the eternal/long war for a reason.

This is true, however the Warpsmiths have a goal in mind for conquering the universe, which is to turn Real Space into one perfect, giant living machine-daemon-spirit-thing. However, should either one of the Ruinous Powers actually succeed in dominating all, they would die for the Warp is sustained by mortal desires, thoughts, emotions, spirits, etc. That said, Chaos can still conquer the universe and man can still exist, as is the case on some Daemon Worlds and some Chaos Societies. Otherwise, no more Chaos, yaddigg?

Well I'm not sure what the exact lore is, iirc the Tyranid fluff doesn't actually specify whether the Tyranids have eaten everything from their own galaxy and are moving on. Perhaps they are running away from something? Or maybe something the equivalent of IoM at full strength has created the things and made them the vanguard of an expansionist army. Otherwise CSM or Crons FTW!!!