so what is the worst example of cheating in 40k you have ever seen.
il start, I once saw a guy claim that all of his terminators had WS, BS and toughtness 5, and that they have 3 wounds.

There's this kid at my GW who does a lot. Tau player, who likes to give his suits upgrades as they're needed on the battlefield. By the end of most games, his point total goes way over whatthe game is supposed to be. One time, he was playing another Tau player. The kid got mad because the other guy had given his crisis suites some support system I can't remember claiming they couldn't take it. Quick look at the book shows they can, and game moves on. On the kid's next turn all of a sudden his crisis suits have that upgrade.
Only reason we still play him is because he never wins. Also the occasional joke about his paint job.

Couple guys like to add inches onto their movement at my FLGS, no too many "Hey that squad has WS 10, BS 10 Ap1, Eternal Warrior" shenanigans. But there is an Eldar player that has to be reminded constantly that he doesn't have AV14 tanks.

Then you've got the guys who never bother to learn how to play but insist they know everything, and I don't consider them cheaters...just lame players.

When I play there aren't really any cheaters, all my pals play respectively which is what I like to see.

But sometimes, you can see the occasional bull**** lies that players ( Usually in GW ) do or say to you if you are not familiar with the race. Going over the point limit is very common, lying about saves and all that craic is common as well.

I once had someone try and bring 4 versions of Captain Sicarius in an apoc game under the pretence that 'I've given them different names'... Not to mention the fact that we had agreed 3k points max per player, and his list was, off the top of my head and without adding upgrades, closer to 4.5k. He also brought every SM character (most of whom were proxied) and while I don't really have a problem with that as it's within the rules, there was no way that, given the rest of the list, he could have had them all in under 3k.

Other than that, I've been fairly lucky with cheats, not really seeing anything more than a few people trying to occasionally use the 'wargamer's inch'. I also tend to let a hell of a lot slide when playing, always giving my opponent the benefit of the doubt if there is a dispute and even allowing people to backtrack entire phases if they realise they forgot to move something, so maybe people don't feel they need to cheat against me. I play with a very casual crowd, pretty much the epitome of the 'casual' gamer, and I doubt any of my regular opponents would even consider cheating to win.

 Paradigm wrote:
I once had someone try and bring 4 versions of Captain Sicarius in an apoc game under the pretence that 'I've given them different names'... Not to mention the fact that we had agreed 3k points max per player, and his list was, off the top of my head and without adding upgrades, closer to 4.5k. He also brought every SM character (most of whom were proxied) and while I don't really have a problem with that as it's within the rules, there was no way that, given the rest of the list, he could have had them all in under 3k.

Other than that, I've been fairly lucky with cheats, not really seeing anything more than a few people trying to occasionally use the 'wargamer's inch'. I also tend to let a hell of a lot slide when playing, always giving my opponent the benefit of the doubt if there is a dispute and even allowing people to backtrack entire phases if they realise they forgot to move something, so maybe people don't feel they need to cheat against me. I play with a very casual crowd, pretty much the epitome of the 'casual' gamer, and I doubt any of my regular opponents would even consider cheating to win.

Man, that's damn decent of you with the whole "Forgot an entire unit's movement, redo the phase thing.". I play predominantly with my close friends and I NEVER get that sort of slack. Lol.

 Frankenberry wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I once had someone try and bring 4 versions of Captain Sicarius in an apoc game under the pretence that 'I've given them different names'... Not to mention the fact that we had agreed 3k points max per player, and his list was, off the top of my head and without adding upgrades, closer to 4.5k. He also brought every SM character (most of whom were proxied) and while I don't really have a problem with that as it's within the rules, there was no way that, given the rest of the list, he could have had them all in under 3k.

Other than that, I've been fairly lucky with cheats, not really seeing anything more than a few people trying to occasionally use the 'wargamer's inch'. I also tend to let a hell of a lot slide when playing, always giving my opponent the benefit of the doubt if there is a dispute and even allowing people to backtrack entire phases if they realise they forgot to move something, so maybe people don't feel they need to cheat against me. I play with a very casual crowd, pretty much the epitome of the 'casual' gamer, and I doubt any of my regular opponents would even consider cheating to win.

Man, that's damn decent of you with the whole "Forgot an entire unit's movement, redo the phase thing.". I play predominantly with my close friends and I NEVER get that sort of slack. Lol.

It's not so much redo the whole phase but If, for example, someone had missed moving a squad onto an objective in the movement phase and had started shooting before realising this, I'll often let them pause shooting and move, and then just go back to where we were. It's not game changing, and to be honest I wouldn't expect my opponent to do the same for me, but when it's obvious they forgotten something important, then I think it's only fair to give them a chance to correct it. Same as if it's unclear whether a particular model or squad can see to shoot, then I'll generally either dice-off or just let the opponent have it.

At the end of the day, winning is less important than having fun, and I'd also rather win through my own skill than through my opponent making a simple mistake. When it comes to 40k, I'll let almost anything go, the only time I'll make a point of contesting something is if it is apparent the opponent is openly cheating or taking advantage of something they shouldn't. But as I only very rarely encounter cheating, this rarely occurs. If I did find someone cheating repeatedly in game I probably would just stop playing immediately. If they're the kind of person that's willing to cheat in what is nothing more than a game, then they're probably not someone I'd want to play.

I only do that with newbies - I was raised on chess, though, where the rule is "take your finger off the piece and you're done", so... remembering to move all your units is part of the game to me.

The rule in 40k for us is "We don't go back in time".

Making mistakes is a lack of skill, after all.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Making mistakes is a lack of skill, after all.

Forgetting to move a squad now and then is more down to simple forgetfulness, rather than lack of skill.

However, remembering to take full part in all of the phases in the right order is a part of the game, and there should be a level of tolerance depending on the situation. I.e. tournament games should have more of a zero tolerance policy if you forget to move anything. A friendly down your LGS... not so much.

This Tau player once told me I couldn't get cover save against his gun even though it doesn't have the Ignore Cover rule. He also didn't allow me to use my armor save. Then, because his super cheat gun hit me (of course it will, you don't let me take cover or armor saves!) he said the rest of his army now ignore cover. What the feth?

This other time I played this Space Marine player. He kept moving his bikes 12" into and out of terrain and he didn't even bother rolling for tests!

Had a Tau player infiltrate Stealth Suits 12' behind a squad of Cultists. When I tried to split-charge, he told me no and I was/am too new and stupid to argue (especially then because it was my first game).

Later that month we played a Kill Team of my 6 Chosen v. his Necrons and he fielded an entire Necron Warrior blob with Reanimation Protocols.

Needless to say, I don't play this kid anymore and it's not just because he has every army ever created, painted and to full WYSIWYG.

This was one of those guys who, no matter what you said, his answer was "Well I've got one of those."

Ex: I don't have any vehicles in my army except a couple Helbrutes. THIS GUY sends a Monolith after me, singing "Oh, I've got this one thing that, when I open my mouth, I win."

That said, because rules (and remembering rules) is such a pain at times, I play as freestyle as possible so no one can get butt-hurt about screwing the pooch one way or another. That said, I also have an army list with 5 HQ choices on it, so you make do with what you can. XD

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
This Tau player once told me I couldn't get cover save against his gun even though it doesn't have the Ignore Cover rule. He also didn't allow me to use my armor save. Then, because his super cheat gun hit me (of course it will, you don't let me take cover or armor saves!) he said the rest of his army now ignore cover. What the feth?

This other time I played this Space Marine player. He kept moving his bikes 12" into and out of terrain and he didn't even bother rolling for tests!

well... although i don't play tau, im pretty sure your thinking of what they like to call a "markerlight"

and yes while it is a real rule (i think) it is still a super cheat gun like you said


as for my disgusting cheat time...
going for first vs a guy in a tournament, played BA (it was in 5th when assult BA was vaible) and he had mephiston. while i was setting up and deploying, he "rolled" his sychick powers. i say "rolled" because i saw him role soemthing down low onto his codex that was on a chair, wasnt really paying attention and asked,
"what was that you rolled?"
and he said,
"my psychic powers, i got iron arm"
"what was the other one?"
"doesn't matter"
"oh lucky, thats gonna be nice"

now heres why i think he cheated.
1) i didnt see the reults on the dice
2) i asked the other people he faced after and they all say he got iron arm also
3) i dont trust the guy.


and because of this iron arm i lost D:

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
This Tau player once told me I couldn't get cover save against his gun even though it doesn't have the Ignore Cover rule. He also didn't allow me to use my armor save. Then, because his super cheat gun hit me (of course it will, you don't let me take cover or armor saves!) he said the rest of his army now ignore cover. What the feth?

Back when I was a newbie in 5th with only a couple games experience, I played against a guy who told me that a Deep Striking unit which suffered a Mishap and rolled Misplaced, would suffer a 2nd mishap if he placed it on the seemingly inaccessible roof of a tall ruined tower

(cannot recall if we agreed that it was accessible difficult terrain or was impassable, but as I recall there was certainly no visible way for a model to climb up - no intervening balconies, ledges or ladders).

This was despite the 5th ed rules clearly stating that when Misplaced, the unit must be placed in a valid formation anywhere except impassable terrain, and that difficult terrain is treated as dangerous. Naturally, I rolled Destroyed and lost my Terminators.

This being just my 2nd or 3rd game (and I being 17 and him in his mid 20's) I took his word for it. The rest of the continued in a similar fashion, with him taking advantage of my unfamiliarity with the rules.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

1) i didnt see the reults on the dice
2) i asked the other people he faced after and they all say he got iron arm also
3) i dont trust the guy.

4) There were no psychic powers called iron arm that mephiston could take in 5th? Weren't random psychic powers including the biomancy table introduced in 6th?

Had a Grey Knight player bring a 2k point list to a 1.5k point game, no list.

I told him about it after i realized it, and I laughed since I had him on the ropes, but still lost at the end of it

Just a suspious player at our store,
younger kid plays eldar,
he is insanely protective of his dice and will not allow ANYONE to touch them,
he rolls 5s and 6s for days which doesnt seem right

and one day he told a couple guys about how to turn the odds in your favor by soaking the low side of the dice in mineral oil...

I dont know if it works but as far as im concerned hes done it and it works....

 Anfauglir wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Making mistakes is a lack of skill, after all.

Forgetting to move a squad now and then is more down to simple forgetfulness, rather than lack of skill.

However, remembering to take full part in all of the phases in the right order is a part of the game, and there should be a level of tolerance depending on the situation. I.e. tournament games should have more of a zero tolerance policy if you forget to move anything. A friendly down your LGS... not so much.

My friends and I often get caught up in the moment, like seeing someone move a unit into a nice killing field unknowingly, then at the start of the turn get so excited we forget to move and get into the fun business of killing the unit dead... while the other person smiles at such forgetfulness.

Fortunately we're all friends, so we allow 'mulligans' for that sort of thing. Everyone tends to get one per game, any more than that they usually get told no. I've done it enough to appreciate it when I'm allowed to take a mulligan that I let my friends do so.

This is, however, a friendly game with friends. Against a random person, probably not, because I know the favour won't be returned.

For most of my games it's halfway through the movement phase and I say "aw heck, I forgot to see if my Riptide pilot burns his fingers".

The other player usually lets me roll, my riptide loves to overheat...a lot...


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To add something actually relevant to the thread though, back when Tau first came out (I mean the original first codex) I was watching someone play a game, Dark Eldar vs Tau. I happened to have the codex at the time but I wasn't a real player yet, just a kid with big dreams.

Watched the tau player fire first turn and destroy a huge part of the opposing force, then he says "and my battlesuits use their 'core point' to fire again."

There is not, nor ever was, a mechanic in the Tau codex called "core points", nor is there or ever was a mechanic allowing Tau to fire twice in the same shooting phase. The only reason I didn't call him on it was because I was a little grade school kid and 1. nobody would take me seriously, 2. I wasn't sure if there might be some weird variant rule I didn't know about.

Not so much "cheating" - as I reserve that word for intentionally breaking rules...

I played three games with an extra vindicator on the table. One of my friends finally messaged me the next day and was like "Man I can't figure out how you built that list."

I looked it up and sure enough I had mixed two lists. My fault completely. I came clean with everyone. It didn't really matter though - I had lost all three of those games....

Which doesnt say much about my playing skill.

I played a guy who ran Blood Angels. Funny how all his units had "red paint job" from the orcs and got +1" movement.

 KonTheory wrote:
Just a suspious player at our store,
younger kid plays eldar,
he is insanely protective of his dice and will not allow ANYONE to touch them,
he rolls 5s and 6s for days which doesnt seem right

and one day he told a couple guys about how to turn the odds in your favor by soaking the low side of the dice in mineral oil...

I dont know if it works but as far as im concerned hes done it and it works....

I would just tell your FLGS owner about it, just say you have concerns about the dice and go from there. We had someone like that and after our FLGS owner and TO asked the kid to see his dice, he never brought them in again. Magically he started to lose a few games as well so it was a win win

I love this thread.

It's not cheating that I claim my army get a 2+ cover save because they are painted camouflage. Trololol

 motyak wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

1) i didnt see the reults on the dice
2) i asked the other people he faced after and they all say he got iron arm also
3) i dont trust the guy.

4) There were no psychic powers called iron arm that mephiston could take in 5th? Weren't random psychic powers including the biomancy table introduced in 6th?

lol your right....

early 6th then.


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 dementedwombat wrote:
I happened to have the codex at the time but I wasn't a real player yet, just a kid with big dreams.

There is not, nor ever was, a mechanic in the Tau codex called "core points", nor is there or ever was a mechanic allowing Tau to fire twice in the same shooting phase. The only reason I didn't call him on it was because I was a little grade school kid and 1. nobody would take me seriously,

you say you didnt call him out cause 1) you were a little grade school kid.
the tau dex was only realeased like what, half a year ago? woudnt you still be in grades school?

no im not insulting you, cause im not that old myself, but just saw that and something felt off.

 gmaleron wrote:

 KonTheory wrote:
Just a suspious player at our store,
younger kid plays eldar,
he is insanely protective of his dice and will not allow ANYONE to touch them,
he rolls 5s and 6s for days which doesnt seem right

and one day he told a couple guys about how to turn the odds in your favor by soaking the low side of the dice in mineral oil...

I dont know if it works but as far as im concerned hes done it and it works....

I would just tell your FLGS owner about it, just say you have concerns about the dice and go from there. We had someone like that and after our FLGS owner and TO asked the kid to see his dice, he never brought them in again. Magically he started to lose a few games as well so it was a win win

Yeah the owner of the store knows... His answer to the problem is... He spends lots of money in the store so if it bothers you just don't play him
Seems legit to me... I have never played the kid personally.. And don't plan on it

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

1) i didnt see the reults on the dice
2) i asked the other people he faced after and they all say he got iron arm also
3) i dont trust the guy.

4) There were no psychic powers called iron arm that mephiston could take in 5th? Weren't random psychic powers including the biomancy table introduced in 6th?

lol your right....

early 6th then.

All good, I wasn't sure if the cheating in that scenario was him making up psychic powers (which happened to share with this edition's powers) or the whole rolling thing etc.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:
I happened to have the codex at the time but I wasn't a real player yet, just a kid with big dreams.

There is not, nor ever was, a mechanic in the Tau codex called "core points", nor is there or ever was a mechanic allowing Tau to fire twice in the same shooting phase. The only reason I didn't call him on it was because I was a little grade school kid and 1. nobody would take me seriously,

you say you didnt call him out cause 1) you were a little grade school kid.
the tau dex was only realeased like what, half a year ago? woudnt you still be in grades school?

no im not insulting you, cause im not that old myself, but just saw that and something felt off.

You saw the bit where he mentions it was their first Codex right?

GW opened up a brand new store in the supermall in auburn, Washington. It had been open I would say 6 months, when they felt comfortable with the amount of people that they decided to run a league, and first place would get into white dwarf with their army, as it was a company wide thing going on, and some minor prizes. This was back in 3rd, I was playing my orks, and got all the way to the finals. The other player was playing blood angels (this was before chaos 3.5. Anyway we are told a week before what the final mission will be......cleanse......with every model in your army that you own allowed. Now it dosent take a genius to figure out what is wrong with this idea. Basically it was GW's way to convince people you need to buy more stuff.

Long story short, I show up (shouldn't have really to protest the BS) with my 2200 points of orks, only to see across the board roughly 4.5k worth of blood angels. Not only did he buy like 4 more units that week, he had his friends and him paint them 3 colors to be board legal, and they looked crappy. Its a bad sight when you see the ORKS are outnumbered by MARINES. Even though I did about 2800 in points deaths to him, I was tabled.

I only mention this because Im still pretty bitter about it, having a COMPANY cheat just to push their plastic crack. Everyone after either thought A:: this is how it is with GW, and If I want to compete, I have to play just the one army so I can buy enough stuff to compete, or B: this is bullcrap, I am not even going to bother competing next time.

I once took a phone call and came back to find an objective marker on the other side of a building, much closer to the guys who were going to run up and get it. There was another guy who would move his guys and then space them out 2 inches away from each other, effectively giving himself a 8'' move. Another guy who I clearly saw pick up a 3 when he needed 4s to wound.

But off all those the one that makes me the most mad was the first player I ever played. I went into a GW looking for a beginner battle but no one else showed up so one of the regulars decided to play against me. He had dark eldar, an army I was really interested in getting at the time. I told him I had 750pts and he spent a while making his list. He then wiped the floor with me. When I went home I added up the points to his list and taking just the bare minimum he was over 300pts higher than he should be.

We had a younger kid at our shop who started up Dark Elder when they got updated in 5th. He was the only one with the codex and continually come up with things mid game like "these weapons have this special rule" or "this model has this", he was pretty protective about his dice, and constantly bragged about how awesome his army was. Well, after some of us became suspicious we looked at the codex and sure enough his army was heavy on points. So the shop owner purchased a copy of army builder and started asking everyone to print out their army lists on the spot. This kept him honest with his list while not accusing him.

Though on a happier note. Our shop held Ard boy qualifiers one year, and towards the end I faced him and his Dark Eldar with my GK Purifier spam army. I tabled him and maybe lost a rhino and a 5 man squad. His tears of rage were delicious!

I have a kid at my FLGS who consistently uses the gamers inch, he will move the first guy at the front of a unit 8ish inches then proceed to move everyone else in the unit 9-10 inches to put them right next to or I'm front of the guy that was upfront. I don't worry too much though because I always crush him due to his lack of target priority, spacing when it comes to blasts, cover, etc. And whenever I see him start to abuse it bad I begin to do the same so we are on the same level, just like when I face rule lawyers etc. I will mimic how they want to play (remember the golden rule treat others the way you want to be treated). Another person around my age used to have a habit of making up the occasional rule and saying "it was in an FAQ" but now that I always check the FAQs he never does it.

Another player recently got a bunch of tonka trucks for converting into BWs and due to the wheels alsways moves them too far (he runs a BW spam list so I always have to be a hard ass about movement to him because every inch counts so its hard to tell when he is intentionally cheating or accidentally) eventually I am going to have to ask him to lock the wheels on those things so I can tell when he is fudging his movement. He also has a tendancy to fudge his rolls (its hard to notice sometimes when he rolls 40ish dice per BW filled with boyz if he grabs a 2 or something extra when he is rolling to hit/wound)

5th edition
Hq battle me using CSM vsing eldar
i used abbaddon he used eldrad
all through the game eldrad was striking at int 7 hitting and wounding on 2s. for some reason he also ignored armour and invulnerable saves
accordingly eldrad has a 2+ inv that can be used in conjunction with fortune. abbadons last wound FLG owner comes and watches and catches his cheat
abbadon then proceeded by finally doing a wound... at str 8 killing eldrad making abbadon the winner

my happy ending, cheater story

we had one guy here who used I pad , which are not very popular here to say the least , with e-book codici . his army always seemed one unit to big , but when anyone wanted to count he would just show them how much stuff costs on his Ipad and it seemed ok . One time he said he wanted to try out FW . No one realy wanted to play him , but he kept asking and some one finaly gave in . He wanted to play 1750pts , but before the FW game he had to play me , because we both in a league. the point cost also happens to be 1750pts . So we play and end up with a draw . I stay at the store waiting for my friends mom , who was taking us home and what do I see . The dude is plays the same 1750pts +the FW unit. Now I ask if they realy play 1750 and he tells me to shout up .Now am smaller and younger then him , but his opponent is one of the core players at the store , so I just go to him . Hand him to print out of his list and then go to the store owners to tell my opponet cheats and that I call for a list check . He starts callng me names and that he can't do a check while already playing , that am wasting his money etc The store owners says that there is no problem , that he will do the checking .He does and we automaticly notice stuff that that is wrong . His devastators have weapons costed like old marines did , so are free . His LS storm scouts ,which no one uses here , costs 20 pts less . His ally tau mix stuff from farsight and normal codex dex in one ally slot and cost 10-15pts less.

now everyone is starting to say that he and his 2 friends always seem to have armies which are bigger then they should be and that they always use Ipad codex. We go over the HE list one of his friends is wining the WFB league with and we of course find out that he is playing with 1590 pts in a 1500.
Since then e book codex are banned from store events and the guys wil never get to play in any store.

I actually had someone say "Hey, what's that?!" and point over my shoulder dramatically so he could change his dice rolls.

It was an Anything Goes Wargaming exhibition match though, so it was all in good fun.

I had a really annoying thing once... Playing against a tau army whose fusion blasters magically changed to flamers and gained shields at the end of the game. This really irritates me a lot of the time. Thankfuly the guys at my FLGS are not like that. Always WYSIWYG or sorry, this guy has a plasma pistol, just trying it out ore something before the game begins.

Utilizing models I had from the second edition starter box and playing in early-ish 3rd edition against a kid the next street over. I had guys bbehind a wall that he shot with a grav tank utilizing a Crystal Targeting Matrix. I told him he couldn't possibly do that because he didn't have line of sight. I was then informed that the laser can arch around terrain so he could still shoot it. There was a small argument about how lasers couldn't arch. Pretty sure I lost the game and I never played the kid again. To this day, the Cyrstal Targeting Matrix is an on going joke between me and a buddy of mine.

worst cheat ive ever seen? somebody taking 2000pts Mechanised IG force up against a 500pts BA newbie, the IG player had basically written his own codex and the newbie didnt know any better, needless to say, I threw the guy out of the club. noob bashing is only aceptable when they charge scouts with terminators.. then I call in my deep strilking land raider from my BA army quite a few people claim its cheating but its in the rules (okay it is OP but if its there i'll use it against an arragont or insufferable upsart palyer to teach them a leson)

The most I have seen consistently, is that some Necron players use the quantum armor, or whatever that stuff is called, on their flyers, when, I have never seen it in a codex. I have caught two guys I was playing in a tournament try that. So, now I watch any flying circus or flyer heavy flyer necron army, even if I'm not playing against them.

To be fair, the quantum shielding thing is an honest mistake on a lot of necron players. Every non-flying vehicle has it, you simply stop paying attention to the exact wargear by the time of reading the fourth 11/11/11 vehicle in your codex. I've even seen people who wouldn't even remotely think about cheating (because they aren't interested in winning in the first place) do that mistake.

Recent game against a Tyranid player, who was known for being a bit dubious and for being doubly-blessed by Nurgle ¬¬

Anyway, my Abaddon + 15 CSM unit charge his Tervigon, which was guarding the Relic. I issue a challenge, which I have to of course, and he accepts, allowing Abby to deal 4 wounds to him. Next round of combat he pulls out his Codex and shows me that Tervigons aren't listed as Characters in a Codex that was written in 5th Edition. I know this is false (I had seen the updates and Erratas) but I let him off this one seeing as he was also known for being pretty stubborn. He's basically trying to avoid losing the Tervigon for three reasons

1: It's his Warlord
2: It's the only thing that can realistically prevent me seizing the Relic
3: If it dies it's going to explode and kill all the Gaunts packed around it, making it easier for me.

After the next round I casually ask why would a 5th Ed Codex have Character designations in it, something he can't answer. After the staff confirm my doubts Abby wipes out the Tervigon and clears the objective.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Recent game against a Tyranid player, who was known for being a bit dubious and for being doubly-blessed by Nurgle ¬¬

Anyway, my Abaddon + 15 CSM unit charge his Tervigon, which was guarding the Relic. I issue a challenge, which I have to of course, and he accepts, allowing Abby to deal 4 wounds to him. Next round of combat he pulls out his Codex and shows me that Tervigons aren't listed as Characters in a Codex that was written in 5th Edition. I know this is false (I had seen the updates and Erratas) but I let him off this one seeing as he was also known for being pretty stubborn. He's basically trying to avoid losing the Tervigon for three reasons

1: It's his Warlord
2: It's the only thing that can realistically prevent me seizing the Relic
3: If it dies it's going to explode and kill all the Gaunts packed around it, making it easier for me.

After the next round I casually ask why would a 5th Ed Codex have Character designations in it, something he can't answer. After the staff confirm my doubts Abby wipes out the Tervigon and clears the objective.

... and that is how you deal with cheaters effectively.

Personally I've had a lot of experience with cheaters, especially one kid who keeps on doing it. But the simple way to deal with it is to handicap his list dramatically after we realise he has been bending rules... or just don't play him anymore

G.A

 Jidmah wrote:
To be fair, the quantum shielding thing is an honest mistake on a lot of necron players. Every non-flying vehicle has it, you simply stop paying attention to the exact wargear by the time of reading the fourth 11/11/11 vehicle in your codex. I've even seen people who wouldn't even remotely think about cheating (because they aren't interested in winning in the first place) do that mistake.

I've seen it happen as well. Great guy, just a common mistake.

In defense of the Elder in this thread, doesn't their codex say they cheat?

Great thread.

I had a tau player use Aun'va and put him in a unit of misslesides, which allows them to have a 2+ save and then ignore the wound on a roll of the ap value or higher of the weapon that shot them, eg it ignores lascannon unsaved wounds on a 2+. However Aun'va is not an independant character.

Aun'va used in a unit of 20 kroot snipers, giving them cover saves, FNP and ignore the wound on an the ap roll or higher.

MIsslesides that can move and shoot, after he was asked to check that they could and he insisted they could. He was under the impression that all battle suits could. He decisively won a game because of this.

A large battle psyker squad with servitors not using the mindlock rule, they did heaps of damage.

A doom scythe deathray shooting backwards and then firing its tesla cannon at another target.

Deploying units of 15 immortals out of night scythes.

Insisting monstrous creatures get -1 on the jaws test.

Insisting obliterators are a shooting unit and don't have anything in close combat, then wiping the squad that charged it with power fist attacks.

This was all the same player.

A CSM player once claimed he could join his IC's to his DP (outflank with master of deception) because the DP can take a spell familiar which can be portrayed with a model

Steffo wrote:
Insisting monstrous creatures get -1 on the jaws test.

Funnily enough, I think they get +1.

I once had someone try and bring 4 versions of Captain Sicarius in an apoc game under the pretence that 'I've given them different names'..

Unless Sicarius is crazy powerful, it's Apocalypse, I honestly don't see whats wrong with this

 Dakkamite wrote:

I once had someone try and bring 4 versions of Captain Sicarius in an apoc game under the pretence that 'I've given them different names'..

Unless Sicarius is crazy powerful, it's Apocalypse, I honestly don't see whats wrong with this

The Apocalypse rules specify there can only be one of any Unique character.

Now if you house-rule this away, then a person can just field a couple hundred Marneus and call it a day.

 Dakkamite wrote:

I once had someone try and bring 4 versions of Captain Sicarius in an apoc game under the pretence that 'I've given them different names'..

Unless Sicarius is crazy powerful, it's Apocalypse, I honestly don't see whats wrong with this

I think it's more the fact that different names should not circumvent the rule of having one model with a SCs stats per army. While Sicarius isn't stupidly powerful, the player should have run this by their opponent(s) first to see if it was ok (although to be honest, 800 pts is amlot to sink into 4 captains)

the player should have run this by their opponent(s) first to see if it was ok

I absolutely agree with this. Overall I see rules as a guideline to create the game that everyone will most enjoy, not something to stick religiously to. However, going around the rules definitely requires opponent permission.

 lambsandlions wrote:
I once took a phone call and came back to find an objective marker on the other side of a building, ...

There's a moral to that story...

 Happyjew wrote:
The Apocalypse rules specify there can only be one of any Unique character.

They do now. The original Apocalypse rules didn't.

 insaniak wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
The Apocalypse rules specify there can only be one of any Unique character.

They do now. The original Apocalypse rules didn't.

Right, so there was no restriction on bringing 10 Sicarus'.

About 3 months after the BA Codex came out I was playing at my FLGS ( it is an independent retailer store ) and for giggles I brought Mephy with an Honor Guard with JP so that they could keep up with him. The guy who runs the store asked me if the 'Game Genie' was attached to his Honor Guard.

I just kinda looked at him like he was having a go at me, then I realized he was serious. I asked him what would make him think that he was attached to that squad. He told me that a college kid from the night prior was running a fairly similar Honor Guard with Mephy last night. I again thought he was messing with me, only to find out he was serious.

I explained to him about how the 5th Ed. codex dropped the IC status from him. He was NOT happy about how he had gotten raped by Mephy and as he was in a squad, was unable to target him. Needless to say, that young college kid got called on it the next time he tried it and we have not seen him since. Never did understand those that had to cheat to win, as it is really not a win.

Quite an easy mistake to make about forgetting Meph isn't an IC, for me I just think ''In character section, must be a IC''. I made the same mistake with the Big K (Dark Eldar Mandrake king with stupid name) and his unit of mandrakes, thinking i'd found away to make them good by starting with a Pain token. This went on for a while until someone pointed it out to me, I got a few grumbles here and there but it was an honest mistake.

Yeah, quite a lot of people missed Mephiston's lack of IC status when the codex was released.

My buddy went to Beakycon in Tampa last year and faced this one guy who's famous for cheating.

My buddy had the dual wraithwing backed-up by MSU warrior units in Nightscythes. This dude plays IG with GK allies, and rushes the game like crazy (hides his psyker power rolls and warlord trait rolls) and ends up going first. At the start of turn 2 he manages to kill all Necron units on the board, reaches over and shakes my friend's hand "good game". My buddy is a bit flustered and being rushed doesn't pay attention and ends the game... When he still could have brought in all his flyers since he went 2nd!!!

This guy somehow fit 3 land raiders and 3 sabres in a list with imperial guard allies. 3 single, not in a unit, by themselves. I know realize this because he cheated so hard

Awhile back a player slipped a Land Raider in a game. I chalked it up to accidental grab under the table and let it go. Couple weeks later he did it to me again and I pulled out the Stormraven. He moved and shoot at my SM with the Land Raider. I moved my Stormraven closer the Land Raider. Did a bogus roll on 2D6 rolling a 7. Made the pilot leadership test and proceeded to "Kamikazi" the Storm Raven into the Land Raider. Since the attack was all out of whack and the steps following afterwards it was pure mayhem of laughter.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This guy somehow fit 3 land raiders and 3 sabres in a list with imperial guard allies. 3 single, not in a unit, by themselves. I know realize this because he cheated so hard

Correct me if I am wrong, but 3 individual sabres is perfectly legal to my knowledge.

Not in an allied detachment.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not in an allied detachment.

Yes they are... They replace heavy weapon squads from the troop platoon... Therefore you could have 10 in an allied detachment...

If they replace heavy weapon squads, you have to take them in groups of 3.

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not in an allied detachment.

Yes they are... They replace heavy weapon squads from the troop platoon... Therefore you could have 10 in an allied detachment...

Checked Imperial Armour - they do indeed, BUT they can have between 1 and 3 per battery so by that logic...

up to three sabers in a former HWS...
6 HWS per platoon...
2 Platoons per allied detachment...

up to 36 sabers????

That is a lot of dakka...

 Furyou Miko wrote:
If they replace heavy weapon squads, you have to take them in groups of 3.

No, you don't. Squad size is 1-3.


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 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Not in an allied detachment.

Yes they are... They replace heavy weapon squads from the troop platoon... Therefore you could have 10 in an allied detachment...

Checked Imperial Armour - they do indeed, BUT they can have between 1 and 3 per battery so by that logic...

up to three sabers in a former HWS...
6 HWS per platoon...
2 Platoons per allied detachment...

up to 36 sabers????

That is a lot of dakka...

Sorry I should've clarified - 10 squads.
(it's only 5 per platoon)
But the full 30 would cost you 1500pts so I'm not sure it's a good idea

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:

This other time I played this Space Marine player. He kept moving his bikes 12" into and out of terrain and he didn't even bother rolling for tests!

Most commonly ran marine bike lists can do this you know

He is obviously trolling this thread with actual rules from the two armies with the highest tournament presence.

We have a kid locally who lies about his list, adds upgrades or special rules when ever he needs them and doesn't roll his dice properly - they don't roll out of his hands, are rolled behind terrain on his side of the board and are scouped up almost as fast as they were let go of.

Our gw manager has now put a rule in place that if he wants to play he has to give his opponent a fully written up list that has been approved by the manger in advance and every time we aren't happy with his dice rolls we can get him to reroll straight away.
He's still a nasty little kid to play but it does take the smirk off his face when he claims some amazing dice roll that would have somehow killed a whole tactical squad off and you just tell him to reroll in the centre of the board. Or when he claims an upgrade you can look through his list, surprising how often upgrades still don't appear on his list.

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
This Tau player once told me I couldn't get cover save against his gun even though it doesn't have the Ignore Cover rule. He also didn't allow me to use my armor save. Then, because his super cheat gun hit me (of course it will, you don't let me take cover or armor saves!) he said the rest of his army now ignore cover. What the feth?

They're called Markerlights

Just kidding, I had to say it because they pretty much do what you said here.


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 Anfauglir wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Making mistakes is a lack of skill, after all.

Forgetting to move a squad now and then is more down to simple forgetfulness, rather than lack of skill.

However, remembering to take full part in all of the phases in the right order is a part of the game, and there should be a level of tolerance depending on the situation. I.e. tournament games should have more of a zero tolerance policy if you forget to move anything. A friendly down your LGS... not so much.

My friends and I often get caught up in the moment, like seeing someone move a unit into a nice killing field unknowingly, then at the start of the turn get so excited we forget to move and get into the fun business of killing the unit dead... while the other person smiles at such forgetfulness.

Fortunately we're all friends, so we allow 'mulligans' for that sort of thing. Everyone tends to get one per game, any more than that they usually get told no. I've done it enough to appreciate it when I'm allowed to take a mulligan that I let my friends do so.

This is, however, a friendly game with friends. Against a random person, probably not, because I know the favour won't be returned.

We tend to be very easy on this sort of thing in our games but thats because we have a lot banter going on so its really easy to forget something when you having a laugh.

Only cheating I ever see and it pisses me off to no end is going further than allowed. Some units mysteriously go an inch further or even more at times and it happens quite a lot with older players at my local store.

 TwinWolf wrote:
When I play there aren't really any cheaters, all my pals play respectively which is what I like to see.

But sometimes, you can see the occasional bull**** lies that players ( Usually in GW ) do or say to you if you are not familiar with the race. Going over the point limit is very common, lying about saves and all that craic is common as well.

I'm a gw player and I've never purposefully cheated in my life there are a couple of cheaters that go mine but 85% of us that play there are good


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At my gw there is a dad and son who play the mainly the dad watches why the son plays but he also plays frequently, anyway firstly the dad finds out the army and style of the game his son is playing like days in advance due to you having to book tables at gw and book you gaming slot, then during the game they come out with things like the rollers on the ork wagons don't count as the hull of the vehicle and it stops you front shootingnand charging that side, but by that logic you could never reach the front of the vehicle then? Secondly the dad picks your models up without asking, then places them at the back of the unit so they are no longer in range to shoot or even charge. Also the son rolls dice behind buildings and the dad starts talking to you to distract you from seeing him change bad results. And according to them, grey knight termies not paladins, terminators are WS,bs and s 5 with 2 wounds anyway the gw stuff got sick of it and tried to ban them but the dad complained to gw gw saying the staff and us other gamers were bullying his son, so I played him and had learnt every trick he played beat him turns 2 by tabling him before he even gt turn 2 so yea they didn't like that and when he said about the gk termiesi told hi. All my crons got back up on 2+ re rolling so yea I played him at his own game and when his dad picked up my stuff and faked looking at it I did the same though I place his model way behind the rest of its unit. And though he tried to complain yea gw staff just pointed out his attempt to cheat and shut him up long story short they no longer turn up anymore and when they do they ask staff if ime there just before they start to go gw so yea

Not to be rude, but any chance you could use spell check? That hurt to read.

Back in 5th I played against an eldar player. I will be honest, I have no idea what they could have back then so this might all be true, but it seemed fishy as hell. So I am rolling 2 rune priest SW at 1500, I place my choosers of the slain and deny his infiltration. So all his sniper dudes deploy on his back table edge, where he puts the rest of his army.

What stood out the most was his sniper rifles hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s with rending and they got +2 cover saves for area terrain. It was one of those games where you just are so tired of looking at your opponent and hearing them bitch and moan that you don't care, you just want to pack it up an go home. That was the last game I played with my SW, I sold them and quit about a year after that. Now, 3 years later I am back, woo!

 gwarsh41 wrote:
his sniper rifles hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s with rending and they got +2 cover saves for area terrain. It was one of those games where you just are so tired of looking at your opponent and hearing them bitch and moan that you don't care, you just want to pack it up an go home. That was the last game I played with my SW, I sold them and quit about a year after that. Now, 3 years later I am back, woo!

Except for the wounding on 3+ everything else was accurate.

BS4 meant hitting on 3+, Sniper Rifles wound on a 4+ (and have Rending), and Pathfinders (which was an Eldar Sniper upgrade) gives +2 to cover saves, and AP1 on any To Hit roll of 5 or 6.

Happyjew wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
his sniper rifles hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s with rending and they got +2 cover saves for area terrain. It was one of those games where you just are so tired of looking at your opponent and hearing them bitch and moan that you don't care, you just want to pack it up an go home. That was the last game I played with my SW, I sold them and quit about a year after that. Now, 3 years later I am back, woo!

Except for the wounding on 3+ everything else was accurate.

BS4 meant hitting on 3+, Sniper Rifles wound on a 4+ (and have Rending), and Pathfinders (which was an Eldar Sniper upgrade) gives +2 to cover saves, and AP1 on any To Hit roll of 5 or 6.

5th edition was BS3. So your opponent's eldar were a bit better than other craftworlds. I'm surprised that your SW didn't fare better. I hated playing CC focused armies back in 5th (especially SW).

 necronspurs2012 wrote:

I'm a gw player and I've never purposefully cheated in my life there are a couple of cheaters that go mine but 85% of us that play there are good

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At my gw there is a dad and son who play the mainly the dad watches why the son plays but he also plays frequently, anyway firstly the dad finds out the army and style of the game his son is playing like days in advance due to you having to book tables at gw and book you gaming slot, then during the game they come out with things like the rollers on the ork wagons don't count as the hull of the vehicle and it stops you front shootingnand charging that side, but by that logic you could never reach the front of the vehicle then? Secondly the dad picks your models up without asking, then places them at the back of the unit so they are no longer in range to shoot or even charge. Also the son rolls dice behind buildings and the dad starts talking to you to distract you from seeing him change bad results. And according to them, grey knight termies not paladins, terminators are WS,bs and s 5 with 2 wounds anyway the gw stuff got sick of it and tried to ban them but the dad complained to gw gw saying the staff and us other gamers were bullying his son, so I played him and had learnt every trick he played beat him turns 2 by tabling him before he even gt turn 2 so yea they didn't like that and when he said about the gk termiesi told hi. All my crons got back up on 2+ re rolling so yea I played him at his own game and when his dad picked up my stuff and faked looking at it I did the same though I place his model way behind the rest of its unit. And though he tried to complain yea gw staff just pointed out his attempt to cheat and shut him up long story short they no longer turn up anymore and when they do they ask staff if ime there just before they start to go gw so yea

After powering through this hodgepodge of poorly strung together words, I can only assume your keyboard lacks punctuation and your browser lacks a spell check device.

As for the worst cheat/mistake I've seen, I was playing a fellow IG player in one of my first games of 6th edition. I was new to the game and still getting up to par with the rules. I had a mortar team in the backfield that I wanted to use to barrage his exposed commander into oblivion. He informed me that I needed True Line of Sight for all units and that my mortars only had 24" range. I missed a turn of shooting on that one because I was new and didn't have a rulebook handy. He proceeded to move the commander to a safer location as my mortars sat there uselessly.

However, during his turn, I asked to borrow his books because I was certain I was being hoodwinked. I leafed through them, found the relevant pages, acknowledged his mumbled apology, then wasted a squad of his mooks in revenge. Still lost, but, eh, revenge!

 mars2024 wrote:

Happyjew wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
his sniper rifles hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s with rending and they got +2 cover saves for area terrain. It was one of those games where you just are so tired of looking at your opponent and hearing them bitch and moan that you don't care, you just want to pack it up an go home. That was the last game I played with my SW, I sold them and quit about a year after that. Now, 3 years later I am back, woo!

Except for the wounding on 3+ everything else was accurate.

BS4 meant hitting on 3+, Sniper Rifles wound on a 4+ (and have Rending), and Pathfinders (which was an Eldar Sniper upgrade) gives +2 to cover saves, and AP1 on any To Hit roll of 5 or 6.

5th edition was BS3. So your opponent's eldar were a bit better than other craftworlds. I'm surprised that your SW didn't fare better. I hated playing CC focused armies back in 5th (especially SW).

Eldar had no 5th edition codex. Per the 4th edition codex, Rangers (and Pathinders) were BS4.

I played a guy who just made it all up. I got to turn two and snaped in the store. He tries telling me his orks hit on a 3 in shooting! Then his nob squad among others had a 5. Up invol and were imune to instant death? When he moved his trukk 20 inch due to an upgrade l just started packing up. When l quized him and asked to see his list and magical codex, he simply replied, oh yea l forgot them but l do remember it all. I can deal with kids trying it on but this guy was bout 27.

It is funny to see what people come out with.

honest mistakes happen..like when I roll for my Ld for my IG commander and thought it was Ld10 but it was Ld9, others point it out (keep in my my commanders either live all game long or die horribly to shooting and/or melee) and we keep going...but 20 inches with an Ork trukk? What a barrel of laughs

I love people who just hinge their time on here on patronising people. Fun times

My father-in-law is a bit of a bugger for 'forgetting' he has rolled his saves. You'll be doing something else, getting dice ready or whatever and out of the corner of your eye you'll see two rolls take place but when you look up and say 'So what did you get?' He'll be all 'Just rolling saves. What do I need?

He's also got a mild tendency to move his front guy up 6" but the rest of his unit will shuffle up behind it 6.5"-7".

Now that we've spotted it, me and my mates can have a bit of a laugh about it. Aka 'Watch him like a hawk'

Tactical_Genius wrote:
Not to be rude, but any chance you could use spell check? That hurt to read.

this x2.3456789123456789. altough anyone who has read my posts will know i cant realy talk

 necronspurs2012 wrote:
I love people who just hinge their time on here on patronising people. Fun times

It's not being patronising to ask someone to put some effort into making their posts legible.

It shouldn't be necessary for them to ask in the first place, though, since making yor posts legible is both common courtesy and one of the rules of this forum.

I was a TO a couple months ago, and it was a painted only tourney. We have a guy who rarely plays and decided to come out for the tourney. He had some unpainted stuff, and no one said a word til the last round (and neither side wass in jeopardy of winning).

Last round the guy calls him on it so i force him to remove the unit of warp spiders. Guy took it like a champ. So then i looked at the opponents list and he had an illegal Land Raider, an illegal Terminator squad build and some other minor issue. Lol. Made him remove them. he wasnt happy.

I'm trying to be the biggest cheat by only teaching my boys to count to ten so that when they start playing I can control their lists. The oldest boy (4) is on to me and counts up to 60; so the plans not working. When they do start playing I think I will tell them they can only use four sided dice while dads get to use normal ones.

But they'll total loads of my models, borrow my other ones and put me in a care home so it'll all work out in the end.

All you'll need is a long term care facility with roughly 6x4 tables. it'll be fine.

I was playing in a tournament at my FLGS, quite soundly beating my opponent's Grey Knights with my Blood Angels. For the sake of this story, let's assume my name is actually Pumpkin, and let's call my opponent Derren.

Have to leave the table for a moment to chase an errant dice. I get back and I find Derren on my side of the board, moving my minis. I say "what the heck are you doing, Derren?". He looks quite confused and responds with "um, you're Derren. I'm Pumpkin. Remember? I'm moving my Blood Angels". By this point, players from some of the other tables are looking over, the attention's getting a bit embarrassing, so I get a bit flustered and start thinking maybe I goofed up and made a mistake, so I just carry on playing. He was very convincing! The last of the Grey Knights bites the dust and I lose the match. Feeling kinda fed up, I just head straight on home.

I'm sitting there in my living room, telling the kids to keep it down, while I ponder over a Grey Knight I'm holding. Trying to figure out what went wrong... Feeling like something's not quite right... And then that lightbulb moment hits me like a lightning bolt: "Hey...I don't have any kids! ...And this isn't my living room! That cheating bastard!"

Next time I see him at the store, I bring the manager over, tell him what happened and force the guy to swap me my stuff back. The manager's furious and he's threatening to call the police, but Derren's freaking out, begging him not to, 'cos the police have already cautioned him for cheating at another store's tournament. In the end, I saw the funny side of it, so I just accepted a reversal of our match's outcome and Derren got a month's ban from the store.

After all, I had the last laugh, anyway: I taught Derren's kids a bunch of rather unpleasant swear words.

 Pumpkin wrote:
I was playing in a tournament at my FLGS, quite soundly beating my opponent's Grey Knights with my Blood Angels. For the sake of this story, let's assume my name is actually Pumpkin, and let's call my opponent Derren.

Have to leave the table for a moment to chase an errant dice. I get back and I find Derren on my side of the board, moving my minis. I say "what the heck are you doing, Derren?". He looks quite confused and responds with "um, you're Derren. I'm Pumpkin. Remember? I'm moving my Blood Angels". By this point, players from some of the other tables are looking over, the attention's getting a bit embarrassing, so I get a bit flustered and start thinking maybe I goofed up and made a mistake, so I just carry on playing. He was very convincing! The last of the Grey Knights bites the dust and I lose the match. Feeling kinda fed up, I just head straight on home.

I'm sitting there in my living room, telling the kids to keep it down, while I ponder over a Grey Knight I'm holding. Trying to figure out what went wrong... Feeling like something's not quite right... And then that lightbulb moment hits me like a lightning bolt: "Hey...I don't have any kids! ...And this isn't my living room! That cheating bastard!"

Next time I see him at the store, I bring the manager over, tell him what happened and force the guy to swap me my stuff back. The manager's furious and he's threatening to call the police, but Derren's freaking out, begging him not to, 'cos the police have already cautioned him for cheating at another store's tournament. In the end, I saw the funny side of it, so I just accepted a reversal of our match's outcome and Derren got a month's ban from the store.

After all, I had the last laugh, anyway: I taught Derren's kids a bunch of rather unpleasant swear words.

Dayam. that was a funny story.

I was taught in the military that if you are not cheating you are not trying. Since 40K is my most apathetic game, I don't try, and I don't cheat. But I do wonder about those serious players who don't cheat. I wonder if they are really trying... perhaps leading to a lackluster performance on their part. I try really hard to be drunk by turn four, which leads to all sorts of accidental cheating, wobbly dice, missing dice, and missing time. By turn six you can declare victory and I will probably let you. If I am drinking coffee and not whiskey you should be wary, I am probably going to trounce you painfully.

- J

 necrondog99 wrote:
I was taught in the military that if you are not cheating you are not trying. Since 40K is my most apathetic game, I don't try, and I don't cheat. But I do wonder about those serious players who don't cheat. I wonder if they are really trying... perhaps leading to a lackluster performance on their part. I try really hard to be drunk by turn four, which leads to all sorts of accidental cheating, wobbly dice, missing dice, and missing time. By turn six you can declare victory and I will probably let you. If I am drinking coffee and not whiskey you should be wary, I am probably going to trounce you painfully.

- J

If my opponent and I are not drunk by Turn 2, we are doing it wrong.

 Happyjew wrote:

 necrondog99 wrote:
I was taught in the military that if you are not cheating you are not trying. Since 40K is my most apathetic game, I don't try, and I don't cheat. But I do wonder about those serious players who don't cheat. I wonder if they are really trying... perhaps leading to a lackluster performance on their part. I try really hard to be drunk by turn four, which leads to all sorts of accidental cheating, wobbly dice, missing dice, and missing time. By turn six you can declare victory and I will probably let you. If I am drinking coffee and not whiskey you should be wary, I am probably going to trounce you painfully.

- J

If my opponent and I are not drunk by Turn 2, we are doing it wrong.

Which is the REAL thing the military teaches you.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 necrondog99 wrote:
I was taught in the military that if you are not cheating you are not trying. Since 40K is my most apathetic game, I don't try, and I don't cheat. But I do wonder about those serious players who don't cheat. I wonder if they are really trying... perhaps leading to a lackluster performance on their part. I try really hard to be drunk by turn four, which leads to all sorts of accidental cheating, wobbly dice, missing dice, and missing time. By turn six you can declare victory and I will probably let you. If I am drinking coffee and not whiskey you should be wary, I am probably going to trounce you painfully.

- J

If my opponent and I are not drunk by Turn 2, we are doing it wrong.

Which is the REAL thing the military teaches you.

But this is a game no?

 Kiwi461 wrote:
Utilizing models I had from the second edition starter box and playing in early-ish 3rd edition against a kid the next street over. I had guys bbehind a wall that he shot with a grav tank utilizing a Crystal Targeting Matrix. I told him he couldn't possibly do that because he didn't have line of sight. I was then informed that the laser can arch around terrain so he could still shoot it. There was a small argument about how lasers couldn't arch. Pretty sure I lost the game and I never played the kid again. To this day, the Cyrstal Targeting Matrix is an on going joke between me and a buddy of mine.

Well, you actually can arch a laser... Sorta.

It just takes something that can bend light. Like that real-life cloaking device or a powerful enough gravity well. But if a gravity well that strong were on a WH40k tabletop, you'd have much, MUCH bigger problems than a grav tank.

As for me, well...

My mom and I were playing a game, and we were using some sort of modified, made-up-right-before-the-game building rules in 5th edition. It was my first game with the WD Sisters dex.

My mom stuck her Chapter Master, his 8 or 9 Honor Guard, and a Tactical Squad in that building. I charged into it with my Uriah, a Battle Conclave with 6 DCAs and 4 Crusaders, and a maxed out unit of Repentia.

We were curious how this would work, so I went looking in the rulebook to see how charging into an occupied building would work. I looked up the part about charging into cover, and it said that if the charging unit "has to take a difficult terrain check while charging" then the penalty applies.

So by the letter of that rule, but not taking the spirit of it and applying it to a made-up situation, well... The Chapter Master suffered some significant overkill after having to roll at least 16-17 No Retreat wounds...

Edit: Also, a couple of times I've brought extra stuff by accident.

Once, I set a number of models aside for some reason, and when my mom and I played our next game, I must've assumed they were part of my army - which I also put there.

Another time, I'm pretty sure I brought my 1250 point list, thinking it was a 1250 point game, when my mom brought only 1000 points. It wasn't on purpose, I was just misremembering what we'd agreed on several days to a week prior.

Uh... do stupid glittering generalities like "if youre not cheating youre not trying" actually gain traction in the mibds of.... anyone? That aside,being of good cheer during games is good.

 Jancoran wrote:
Uh... do stupid glittering generalities like "if youre not cheating youre not trying" actually gain traction in the mibds of.... anyone? That aside,being of good cheer during games is good.

Not with most people. My mantra was instead "work smarter, not harder", but I can't speak for everyone. I did meet some really idiotic people during my time in.

Lots of people add inches. Just the kids are so damn annoying! I'm a kid too but I actually learn the rules and can paint and play better than most people. So usually I just don't play them and stick with my buds.
Like sometimes when I play with Kids I know there army better than them and I only play marines and Eldar

I was playing a guy who said the ultramarine chapter tactic for tactical squads let him re-roll miss hits and he could use it every turn. Even after I told him he could only use it once per game once per game he kept using it

sangheili wrote:
I was playing a guy who said the ultramarine chapter tactic for tactical squads let him re-roll miss hits and he could use it every turn. Even after I told him he could only use it once per game once per game he kept using it

So he was either a cheat or an idiot....?

sangheili wrote:
I was playing a guy who said the ultramarine chapter tactic for tactical squads let him re-roll miss hits and he could use it every turn. Even after I told him he could only use it once per game once per game he kept using it

Did he have Calgar? His abilities let you do that iirc

 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:

sangheili wrote:
I was playing a guy who said the ultramarine chapter tactic for tactical squads let him re-roll miss hits and he could use it every turn. Even after I told him he could only use it once per game once per game he kept using it

Did he have Calgar? His abilities let you do that iirc

He lets you use one a second time, not as many times as you want.

Happyjew wrote:

 necrondog99 wrote:
I was taught in the military that if you are not cheating you are not trying. Since 40K is my most apathetic game, I don't try, and I don't cheat. But I do wonder about those serious players who don't cheat. I wonder if they are really trying... perhaps leading to a lackluster performance on their part. I try really hard to be drunk by turn four, which leads to all sorts of accidental cheating, wobbly dice, missing dice, and missing time. By turn six you can declare victory and I will probably let you. If I am drinking coffee and not whiskey you should be wary, I am probably going to trounce you painfully.

- J

If my opponent and I are not drunk by Turn 2, we are doing it wrong.

And now we know how happyjew can bear to keep staring at that dang Ork cheerleader...

She's cute, though the Goblin ones are cuter

 Happyjew wrote:
She's cute, though the Goblin ones are cuter

don't you dare

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
She's cute, though the Goblin ones are cuter

don't you dare

Who? Me? [/innocent face]

The one that took the biscuit was when I was told my HQ unit was beaten in CC by a Basilisk Tank and had to flee, only for the rest of the squad to be destroyed by a 'lucky shot' from the Basilisks Howitzer, Tank Shock not being mentioned once,

there is a guy at my FLGS who:

1. plays dark eldar, yet insists (incorrectly) that they worship slaanesh (first game i played with him he claimed his wyches and incubi +1 Initiative from mark of slaanesh!) despite the fact that the codex and all other sources maintain that the dark eldar despise slaanesh and chaos.

2. raider rushes EVERYTHING (including his Talos, which he put in a venom!)

3. measures in with a laser pointer

4. has ork shoota boy allie. and rolls all of his dice one at a time

5. claimed that a imperial guard mortor team could not shoot at his archon because a low wall was blocking line of sight

6. claimed that the barrage rule did not exist and that a single wound from a poisoned weapon would still automatically kill a multi-wound model.

7. claimed that naming and/or renaming units ( ie. refering to your tactical squad sergeant by name or using the rules of typhus to represent a homebrewed leader for fluff reasons) was both against the rules and was sighn of being TFG

8. got tabled by a SOB army, afterwich he immediatly claimed that SOB were cheesy and had unfair rules and that anybody who played them was a min/maxing power gamer who had to cheat to win

end rant

 OnlyWar wrote:
there is a guy at my FLGS who:

1. plays dark eldar, yet insists (incorrectly) that they worship slaanesh (first game i played with him he claimed his wyches and incubi +1 Initiative from mark of slaanesh!) despite the fact that the codex and all other sources maintain that the dark eldar despise slaanesh and chaos.

They still go around in the Galaxy inflicting pain(ful pleasure) in the most slanneshy ways possible, ultimately furthering Slannesh's power.

A Noise Marine might to it willingly, indulging in his own depravity and hunger for power (selling his soul to Slannesh in the end), where a Dark Eldar does it "against his own will", trying to stave of Slannesh consuming his soul, and hating She-Who-Thirsts through the entire process (till his soul is claimed by Slannesh in the end nonetheless).

But it's still doing Slannesh's work at the end of the day, whether you hate him/her or praise him/her for it.

by that logic tyranids should all have mark of tzeentch (what with thier drive to change and evolve)


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and orks mark of khorne

 OnlyWar wrote:
by that logic tyranids should all have mark of tzeentch (what with thier drive to change and evolve)


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and orks mark of khorne

Plenty of Khorne-Orks in old-school fluff.

Nid's probably would, if they'd ever actually managed to change anything

Ok, Nids not. Because Tzeentch isn't just any change. He's change through ambition, plotting, conspiracy, etc..

But turn it around? Can you only be "serving" Chaos if you do it knowingly and willingly? If that is the case, Abaddon is not serving Chaos (he thinks he is smarter than the Chaos Gods and using them to his end). Ahriman would not be a Tzeentch sorcerer (he rebelled against his Primarch for that reason, trying to "save" his Legion from Chaos after all). Etc, ....

The whole point of Chaos "temptation" is that you can get sucked/tricked/tempted into it against your own will or better judgement.

now that i think about it , you are correct.


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that being said, read the rest of my rant and you will see that he is without a dought still TFG.

When 6th first came out I played an IG player who claimed that flyers could move 72" per turn, turn on a dime and you had to re-roll all successful to hit rolls against them. At the time I was running the old Chaos 'dex prior to Drakes and flakk missiles. I didn't even get a single rhino near the objective.

A 6'+ built like an ox guy full of tattoos, wild long hair who uses all of the above combined with a bad attitude to bully, intimidat and outright threaten opponents to let him cheat however he wants. He has actually threatened physical violence in a tournament to another player to intimidate them into throwing a game.
when he comes up against someone who calls him on it and refuses to let him do whatever he likes, he gets mad and ends the game right there.

Following that, i see the magically telescoping take measure all the time. You know what I mean, a model that is 8 inches away from an objective on the last turn ofthe game after the moement phase, rolls a 2 for funning and somehow ends his run 1 inch from the objective. The models that move from front of base to back of base also.

In a shop in MD, i saw a guy who would purposely roll his dice at and onto other models and rough terrain to get a many leaners as he could and the ones with low numbers saying "cocked" and rerolling them, while the leaners showing high numbers, keeping them as they were.

I really do not get "cocked" dice. In almost every single situation, you can tell by the way it is leaning which side it was going to come to rest on if the obstruction didn't exist. If the die is sitting on a 45 degree angle, my buddy and I always count the side that was going to be "up" for good or bad. Same thing with "Floor" dice. There is no reason why a "5" roll on the floor is different from a "5" on the table, unless your opponent doesn't trust you (in which case why are you playing an opponent like that in a "game".)

I have counted dice that somehow landed up into the back of an Ork trukk, before. And while I can;t remember the number, knowing me and my notorious rolling, it was probably low and not what I needed, lol.

Not going to lie, back when I first started playing sometimes i would take 50-100 "extra" points without mentioning it.

That said, whenever I did that I ended up doing horribly in that game, and when I played fair I ended up doing much better. So I figure that some kind of cosmic justice was in play and stopped doing it after a few games.

 OnlyWar wrote:
there is a guy at my FLGS who:

1. plays dark eldar, yet insists (incorrectly) that they worship slaanesh (first game i played with him he claimed his wyches and incubi +1 Initiative from mark of slaanesh!) despite the fact that the codex and all other sources maintain that the dark eldar despise slaanesh and chaos.

2. raider rushes EVERYTHING (including his Talos, which he put in a venom!)

3. measures in with a laser pointer

4. has ork shoota boy allie. and rolls all of his dice one at a time

5. claimed that a imperial guard mortor team could not shoot at his archon because a low wall was blocking line of sight

6. claimed that the barrage rule did not exist and that a single wound from a poisoned weapon would still automatically kill a multi-wound model.

7. claimed that naming and/or renaming units ( ie. refering to your tactical squad sergeant by name or using the rules of typhus to represent a homebrewed leader for fluff reasons) was both against the rules and was sighn of being TFG

8. got tabled by a SOB army, afterwich he immediatly claimed that SOB were cheesy and had unfair rules and that anybody who played them was a min/maxing power gamer who had to cheat to win

end rant

Dayam. And does he...read? Maybe a little Index searching might help him. Hehehe.


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 AegisGrimm wrote:
I really do not get "cocked" dice. In almost every single situation, you can tell by the way it is leaning which side it was going to come to rest on if the obstruction didn't exist. If the die is sitting on a 45 degree angle, my buddy and I always count the side that was going to be "up" for good or bad. Same thing with "Floor" dice. There is no reason why a "5" roll on the floor is different from a "5" on the table, unless your opponent doesn't trust you (in which case why are you playing an opponent like that in a "game".)

I have counted dice that somehow landed up into the back of an Ork trukk, before. And while I can;t remember the number, knowing me and my notorious rolling, it was probably low and not what I needed, lol.

I think that as long as you are CONSISTENT in how you do your dice (re-roll everything that isn't flat OR DONT reroll anything that is askew etc...) then no problem. certain playing surfaces do make a legit argument for being cokced or not difficult and so all I ever ask for and offer is consistency. I personally roll anything not flat, for better or worse.

I used to play my Tyranids with Toxin sacs which gave poison in shooting as well. I honestly didn't realize I when I was doing it that I was wrong, but it still robbed my opponent anyways and I feel bad for it. Personally this doesn't classify as cheating to me since it was something I believed to be true and my opponents never called me on it so I just carried on with the same thought. I never intentionally altered the rules to improve my army, it was just a case of misread rules.

My group never has outright cheaters but we do have the occasional case of misread rules which as soon as we realize our screw up we try to tell our opponent and apologize. We also practice the mulligan principle frequently. Often I would rather play an army at full potential then my opponent make a stupid mistake and it swing in my favor. That being said a mulligan in the first couple turns is more likely to be awarded then one in the last couple if the game is close. I get pretty competitive at times and if its turn 5 and you forget your very important psychic powers in a nail--biter of a game, I'm not gonna be an a** about it but that might not a second chance situation. If I was playing in a serious tournament though, I wouldn't expect that sort of quarter and would be hard pressed to give it.

Im thankful I havn't seen really bad cheaters.

But there was one kid...
younger then all of the regulars he had Space Marines.
several times he would make up rules "because they were Space Marines" (and they can't lose), but it got worse from there
In the few times I played him. the first 2 involved the "Space Marine rules" but even with his "Mary Sue Rules" my heavy weight tank firepower manages to reduce his force by the handful, quickly he begins the "quick snatch" dice rolls. i.e rolls dice and a fraction of a second when they stop moving he snatches them up often claiming a different number then they actually were. Once I was experimenting with orks for a battle, and the audience we had (2 or so other people) and myself confronted him on multiple 1 rolls ("we all saw it dude, you rolled ones). I can't remember what the roll was for but I think they was important.

he had several of the desperation cheats... rolling into obscured locations (that his opponent couldn't see), dice snatching, claiming cover from the weirdest things (he once tried to claim cover from a subway sandwich he was eating that he would slowly move across the map, im not kidding)



List of "Space Marine Rules" I can remember

Space Marine shoots a Leman russ tank with his bolter (AT THE FRONT) and he rolls a 5 (out of no where) and suddenly claims that the space marine hit the crew through the hatchs..... (did not allow it)

Terminator misses his armor saves against a barrage of lasguns. He argues for invulnerable saves, I let him try it but even then those fail. He rolls a third time after that and makes it and begins to rant about Terminators can't be killed by lasguns cause of X mary sue reason. to humor him they remain alive only to receive a beat down from 5 plasma blasts from my Executioner tank and die once and for all, he began to cry at this point.

Predator tank fires auto cannon at the front of a LR. He suddenly belives the "superior marksmanship of space marines" allows him to increase the ST or auto pen my tank by doing crazy things like shooting down the tank barrel or other he failed to do any damage (I didn't let him do it). To silence him I shot the predator with a Vanquisher cannon, and he began going on how IG can't hit the predator tank at range (the vanquisher was a good distance away) since they "are not space marines" and "can't aim". rerolled To Hit, still hit, Vanquisher penned and exploded the tank. Even after the predator was dead and gone he continued to rant about how SM was better then IG in X ways, even after I tabled him.



the list goes on but it was a long time ago, he has long since been banned from the store, for cheating an 40k and MAGIC.

OnlyWar wrote:
there is a guy at my FLGS who:

1. plays dark eldar, yet insists (incorrectly) that they worship slaanesh (first game i played with him he claimed his wyches and incubi +1 Initiative from mark of slaanesh!) despite the fact that the codex and all other sources maintain that the dark eldar despise slaanesh and chaos.

2. raider rushes EVERYTHING (including his Talos, which he put in a venom!)

3. measures in with a laser pointer

4. has ork shoota boy allie. and rolls all of his dice one at a time

5. claimed that a imperial guard mortor team could not shoot at his archon because a low wall was blocking line of sight

6. claimed that the barrage rule did not exist and that a single wound from a poisoned weapon would still automatically kill a multi-wound model.

7. claimed that naming and/or renaming units ( ie. refering to your tactical squad sergeant by name or using the rules of typhus to represent a homebrewed leader for fluff reasons) was both against the rules and was sighn of being TFG

8. got tabled by a SOB army, afterwich he immediatly claimed that SOB were cheesy and had unfair rules and that anybody who played them was a min/maxing power gamer who had to cheat to win

end rant



Dayam. And does he...read? Maybe a little Index searching might help him. Hehehe.

sadly, no, according to him, not only is it against the rules to get tactical advice from non-GW sources, but he also is of the opinion that the people on dakka dakka are all either noobs or TFG

 Zweischneid wrote:


Ok, Nids not. Because Tzeentch isn't just any change. He's change through ambition, plotting, conspiracy, etc..

But turn it around? Can you only be "serving" Chaos if you do it knowingly and willingly? If that is the case, Abaddon is not serving Chaos (he thinks he is smarter than the Chaos Gods and using them to his end). Ahriman would not be a Tzeentch sorcerer (he rebelled against his Primarch for that reason, trying to "save" his Legion from Chaos after all). Etc, ....

The whole point of Chaos "temptation" is that you can get sucked/tricked/tempted into it against your own will or better judgement.

Tzeentch is literally "Change for the sake of Change", so no, it's not just "change through plotting, etc". It can be change for better or worse, but if it was just deliberate change, he wouldn't take such pleasure in throwing spanners in the works.

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OnlyWar, I think Janoran meant searching the index of the rulebook.

Worst one for me was during 2nd edition, when there were all these cards and counters and things. I played Eldar and he played Ultramarines. I had trouble enough as it was but he conveniently lost his codex (not sure he ever owned one) and said all his units were half the points cost because of a special wargear card he lost.

I don't get how people can play with list that are 100+ points over. I guess you can say I've cheated before once I played with a list that was about 18 points over and I felt bad about it(didn't let my opponent know) I usually always say when I'm over the limit but it's usually like 1-7 points over and my opponnent either says it cool or adds stuff to his. I just don't see the point on cheating. There's no satisfaction winning like that

Well, I did add 300 points extra to a game once, only because I forgot to carry the 1 and that screwed my points calculation.

I thought about that when I was in the shower later this evening, finding it odd that I had 2 platoons, 2 Leman Russ, a Hellhound, 5 Ratlings, 1 HQ, Marbo and a sentinel in a 1000 pts game.

I did talk about it to the others next time we saw each other, and we laughed about it. Now I use Battlescribe for my lists, slightly more reliable than a pen, paper and my lacking talent of mathematics.

Not exactly cheating, but more of a collective insanity.

When I first started playing 40k with my buddies, we were all about 14, and it was 3rd edition. I guess we must have all been brain-dead or something, because we played length-wise on a 8'x4' table with 12" deployment zones, didn't use missions, didn't use a maximum number of turns, and didn't notice that units had points values, and we didn't know what a force organization chart was, and we thought transports were stupid because building them in Starcraft was a waste of time.

This resulted in total nonsense like 5,000 points of footslogging Tyranids fighting 1,500 points of footslogging Space Marines in a lengthwise deployment on a non-regulation table with no objectives other than the total annihilation of the enemy.

And we thought it was great.

 j31c3n wrote:
Not exactly cheating, but more of a collective insanity.

When I first started playing 40k with my buddies, we were all about 14, and it was 3rd edition. I guess we must have all been brain-dead or something, because we played length-wise on a 8'x4' table with 12" deployment zones, didn't use missions, didn't use a maximum number of turns, and didn't notice that units had points values, and we didn't know what a force organization chart was, and we thought transports were stupid because building them in Starcraft was a waste of time.

This resulted in total nonsense like 5,000 points of footslogging Tyranids fighting 1,500 points of footslogging Space Marines in a lengthwise deployment on a non-regulation table with no objectives other than the total annihilation of the enemy.

And we thought it was great.

You know, I think I did this too (except it was Orks instead of Tyranids and both armies used much less points). We also didn't use special rules so my opponent never got to use the Waaagh special rule.
This also happened in Fantasy with my Skaven vs High Elves but we never used leadership either... the Skaven's main weakness.
Good times.

Haven't really had any trouble with cheats, although when I was fighting my friend's Necrons and he wiped out most of my army in a single shooting phase I asked to see his codex. My army was only 350 points at the time because I'd only just started. His army was about 500 because he forgot to look at the codex We restarted and he still destroyed me, but at least we had fun

I rarely have to deal with full on cheating. I can't even think of anything off the top of my head. Mostly id say its movement shenanigans. You deploy 25 inches away from an opponent who makes a 24 inch charge and yet is somehow making contact. But that was more of an issue in 5th though.

Id say the bigger annoyance is people who rules lawyer their way to victory. They find some annoying trick that by RAW is abusable such as the old scarab congo chain. While not "cheating" that kind of player is just frustrating to play against

I had a pal in 3rd edition that insisted terminators got to reroll saves and had two wounds. Man was I chapped when I finally got his dex in hand.

Back when the 6th edition DA codex came out and before I had a chance to see it, I played against this guy who was making up a bunch of rules from Deathwing Termies have 2 wounds to all of his characters have EW. And whenever I asked like "are you sure" or "that dosent sound right" he would freak out and start yelling so I backed down not wanting to cause a scene.

I recently found out I have been cheating all along- my Doomscythes cost 175pts, not 200pts as I had thought...

Yea I had a similar screw up for the longest time. I played all of my Land speeders as open topped. . . then I bought a speeder storm

Mmm most disgusting cheating, let me see.

My ex after she did our next door neighbor....oohh you mean wargaming.

Carry on then

Stretchy tape measures.

"People who move their tape measure forward as they move their model"

Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

 ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

They may use its leadership for any tests they're required to take, but the Abyssal Staff doesn't cause a leadership test- it uses the model's leadership score instead of its toughness to calculate the attack's to wound rolls (basically S8 vs majority Ld).

Was wounding on 6+ when I should've been wounding on 2+...

 Galorian wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

They may use its leadership for any tests they're required to take, but the Abyssal Staff doesn't cause a leadership test- it uses the model's leadership score instead of its toughness to calculate the attack's to wound rolls (basically S8 vs majority Ld).

Was wounding on 6+ when I should've been wounding on 2+...

Understood. I know nothing of Necrons, I find them to be utterly confusing.

I think the worst I observed was when I was watching a game at my store.

It was a 500, or 1000 point game of CSM vs Ultramarines, but the Ultramarines player had somehow managed to get this into that small of a points value:

Kitted out chapter master
Terminator librarian
Full size unit of honor guard
Full size unit of Terminators
Whirlwind
Land Raider Crusader
Devastators
And a single Eldar farseer

When called on it, the guy freaked out and got mad at us, of course because this was his 'custom chapter'.

 Galorian wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

They may use its leadership for any tests they're required to take, but the Abyssal Staff doesn't cause a leadership test- it uses the model's leadership score instead of its toughness to calculate the attack's to wound rolls (basically S8 vs majority Ld).

Was wounding on 6+ when I should've been wounding on 2+...

Future reference, I think the only model that boosts LD against that staff in tyranids is OOE...to LD 8

 EVIL INC wrote:
In a shop in MD, i saw a guy who would purposely roll his dice at and onto other models and rough terrain to get a many leaners as he could and the ones with low numbers saying "cocked" and rerolling them, while the leaners showing high numbers, keeping them as they were.

Its players like that, that have made my flgs implement a dice rolling rule. Sad but true.

Every table has a decent sized, flat, open bit on the half way line somewhere, that is where you have to make every dice roll in game. No chance of cocking and no chance of dice being obscured.
Solved a lot of problems though.

ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 Galorian wrote:
Pretty sure it was an honest mistake, but at one point playing against a nid player he believed that being in Synapse range gives his Gaunts Ld10, which really screwed over my despairtek heavy list...

Tervigons' Brood Progenitor gives all termagant units within 6" LD 10 or "can use the Tervigon's LD as their own" or something

They may use its leadership for any tests they're required to take, but the Abyssal Staff doesn't cause a leadership test- it uses the model's leadership score instead of its toughness to calculate the attack's to wound rolls (basically S8 vs majority Ld).

Was wounding on 6+ when I should've been wounding on 2+...

Future reference, I think the only model that boosts LD against that staff in tyranids is OOE...to LD 8

Nope, that one's for tests only as well.

whitehorn wrote:

 EVIL INC wrote:
In a shop in MD, i saw a guy who would purposely roll his dice at and onto other models and rough terrain to get a many leaners as he could and the ones with low numbers saying "cocked" and rerolling them, while the leaners showing high numbers, keeping them as they were.

Its players like that, that have made my flgs implement a dice rolling rule. Sad but true.

Every table has a decent sized, flat, open bit on the half way line somewhere, that is where you have to make every dice roll in game. No chance of cocking and no chance of dice being obscured.
Solved a lot of problems though.

Our FLGS doesn't have dice rolling rules per-se, but it's customary to always roll with your opponent watching, calling him to let him know you're about to roll and what. When we played a bit apocalypse game the players on the off-turn team would tag along the current turn players so that they could roll without hassle.

There's also an unofficial "crooked die" "rule" by which you attempt to place a second die on top of the suspect die. If it stays on it's ok, if it falls off it's crooked and needs to be re-rolled.

 curran12 wrote:
I think the worst I observed was when I was watching a game at my store.

It was a 500, or 1000 point game of CSM vs Ultramarines, but the Ultramarines player had somehow managed to get this into that small of a points value:

Kitted out chapter master
Terminator librarian
Full size unit of honor guard
Full size unit of Terminators
Whirlwind
Land Raider Crusader
Devastators
And a single Eldar farseer

When called on it, the guy freaked out and got mad at us, of course because this was his 'custom chapter'.

What edition was this? And was the farseer a proxie?

 thepowerfulwill wrote:


What edition was this? And was the farseer a proxie?

He was using the most recent Space Marine codex. And nope, it was a Farseer. In fact, the guy said it was his chapter master's wife or something.

Not joking. :1

On this note, can it really be that wraithguard get a T6, S6, with a 2+ save and all equipped with flamer weapons due to a psychic power? Because I just had my first fight against the eldar since 3rd ed, and one stoopid squad of wraithguard chewed up half my Necron army.

I only play with guys I know are decent. Means I don't get much in the way of cheating since all of them are trying their best to get the rules right, so here's the biggest mistake I've had happen inflicted on me:

Guy brings a 1750 point army to a 1500 point match. Once I've counted all the stuff during top of three while he's doing his shooting I start to relax and start enjoying the game again. I wasn't paranoid after all. Never called him out on it, though, it would've been bad sportsmanship since I managed to slip a victory in by a point's margin and it was an obvious mistake.

 necrondog99 wrote:
On this note, can it really be that wraithguard get a T6, S6, with a 2+ save and all equipped with flamer weapons due to a psychic power? Because I just had my first fight against the eldar since 3rd ed, and one stoopid squad of wraithguard chewed up half my Necron army.

Wraithguard with 1-2 Spiritseers could do this.

 curran12 wrote:

 thepowerfulwill wrote:


What edition was this? And was the farseer a proxie?

He was using the most recent Space Marine codex. And nope, it was a Farseer. In fact, the guy said it was his chapter master's wife or something.

Not joking. :1

Well, I guess every Space Marine Chapter Master would like to get on with some Eldar women, and get united in front of the Emperor!
I know I woudl...

 curran12 wrote:

 thepowerfulwill wrote:


What edition was this? And was the farseer a proxie?

He was using the most recent Space Marine codex. And nope, it was a Farseer. In fact, the guy said it was his chapter master's wife or something.

Not joking. :1

Great...now people are putting their waifus on the table now too.


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On a note about cocked dice, if you use the GW gaming mat, or a cloth cover for the table then there is a common issue for dice to end up cocked, even in the middle of an open table. I've seen far too many dice stop on a point on the GW gaming mats than I dare count.

Honestly anything that isn't flat, in my favor or not, I reroll. I see it as the fairest thing I can do with them because they're not lying flat.

Worse case scenario: rolling into a box works too.

We were real young playing third, but my friend tried to convince us his chapter included the high lords of terra, each of whom had 2++, 8 wounds, custode staves that worked like demolisher cannons and personal teleporters or some such ridiculousness. We had to spend a lot of time explaining what the high lords were, and being real young our explanation was likely "space parliament".

Hey but now we have primarchs in the game so maybe he was onto something

Back in 3rd I ran into this guy in a tournament. I was playing Salamanders (you know, the I3 version), and he was playing Tau. The rules in use included the trial assault rules and trial vehicle rules.

2nd turn I get a charge off with a 5 man squad on a unit of fire warriors. They break, and I manage to get into combat with the squad of fire warriors he had right next to that one.

He immediately tries to rally his Fire Warriors that ran last turn. I point out that at this point, they are still within 6 inches of my marines, so no dice. He argues that "units in close combat don't count"

I break out my rulebook and the printouts of the FAQs that were up at the time, and asked him to point them out to me. He couldn't, but stated "he saw it online" He dug his heels in on this one, and the TO refused to rule on it. Even when a dice roll on it went my way, he kept insisting that he got to rally. So I ended up using that one squad to charge whichever of the two squads rallied that turn.

Then he got to the board edge, and started playing the "I'm going to run towards the right side of my board edge" game, making it nearly impossible to get him off the board. I ended up having to corner the two units in such a way that they couldn't run past my marines to force them off the board.

Back when I was in school we had a war-games society. It was open to people to drop in to play a game to 'try the sport'. One long term player who really wasn't that skilled lived to add on additional features to his army to make him indestructible during these teaser games. Obviously we got very few new players using this strategy, not just for this reason but it always stuck in my mind as an example of how people abuse knowledge and can be right nobs.

I got straight up tabled in my second 6th ed game as BA. The guy was chill and laid back. More or less fun to play with. However when I got home I added up his Carcaradons list and he brought 1940 to a 1500 game. I don't hold anything against the guy and would definitely play him again but I'd definitely look over his list first.